Title Estimates - Senate Committees - Reports - Particulars of certain proposed expenditure in respect of year ending 30 June - 1989 - Committees B and F - Reports
Source Senate
Date 02-11-1988
Parliament No. 35
Tabled in Senate 02-11-1988
Parliamentary Paper Year 1988
Parliamentary Paper No. 400
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Estimates - Senate Committees - Reports - Particulars of certain proposed expenditure in respect of year ending 30 June - 1989 - Committees B and F - Reports

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The Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia

Estimates Committees A, B, C, D, E and F

Reports to the Senate on Departmental Estimates for year 1988-89 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1987-88

November 1988

The Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia Parliamentary Paper No. 400 of 1988

Ordered to be printed ISSN 0727-4181

The Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia

ESTIMATES COMMITTEES

A, B, C, D, E AND F

Reports to the Senate on Departmental Estimates for year 1988-89 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1987-88

November 1988

Australian Government Publishing Service Canberra

© Commonwealth of Australia 1990

ISBN 0 644 09962 3

Printed in Australia by R. D. RUBIE, Commonwealth Government Printer, Canberra

CONTENTS PAGE

1. Resolution of the Senate V

2. Estimates Committee Groups vi

3. Membership of Committees vii

4. Estimates Committee A Report 1

Reservation 13

Minutes of Proceedings 30 September 1988 33

10 October 1988 35

11 October 1988 42

18 October 1988 45

31 October 1988 50

1 November 1988 56

2 November 1988 58

Hansard Index to issues raised in public hearings 59

5. Estimates Committee B Report 71

Minutes of Proceedings 13 October 1988 81

20 October 1988 86

1 November 1988 90

Hansard Index to issues raised in public hearings 91

6. Estimates Committee C Report 103

Reservation 117

Minutes of Proceedings 10 October 1988 (2 meetings) 123

11 October 1988 131

18 October 1988 135

1 November 1988 138

2 November 1988 139

Hansard Index to issues raised in public hearings 141

7 . Estimates Committee D Report 161

Minutes of Proceedings 30 September 1988 169

10 October 1988 170

11 October 1988 174

18 October 1988 178

26 October 1988 182

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8. Estimates Committee E Report 189

Reservation 217

Minutes of Proceedings 13 October 1988 (2 meetings) 231

19 October 1988 237

20 October 1988 239

21 October 1988 243

25 October 1988 246

26 October 1988 247

1 November 1988 (2 meetings) 249

2 November 1988 251

3 November 1988 252

Hansard Index to issues raised in public hearings 255

9. Estimates Committee F Report 271

Minutes of Proceedings 29 September 1988 279

13 October 1988 280

20 October 1988 286

21 October 1988 289

1 November 1988 293

Hansard Index to issues raised in public hearings 295

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RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE PASSED ON 1 SEPTEMBER 1988

1. Extract from Senate Journals, 1 September 1988, pages 919-20.

ESTIMATES COMM ITTEES— REFERENCE OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 AND DEPARTMENTAL EXPENDITURE UNDER ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88: The Minister for Consumer Affairs (Senator Bolkus), having, by leave, amended Government Business Notice of

Motion No. 3 standing in the name of the Minister for Home Affairs (Senator Ray), at the request of Senator Ray and pursuant to notice, moved— (1) That the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1989 in relation to the Parliamentary Departments, the

Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the service of the year ending on 30 June 1989 and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1989 be referred forthwith to Estimates Committees for examination and report. (2) That expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the

year ended 30 June 1988 be referred to Estimates Committees for examination and report prior to its consideration in Committee of the Whole. (3) That the Committees consider Proposed Expenditure and departmental

expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance in Estimates Committee groupings as follows: Estimates Committee A Parliament

Industry, Technology and Commerce Prime Minister and Cabinet Industrial Relations Estimates Committee B Foreign Affairs and Trade Transport and Communications

Estimates Committee C Finance T reasury Employment, Education and Training

Estimates Committee D Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories Defence Veterans’ Affairs

Estimates Committee E Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs Administrative Services Attorney-General’s

Aboriginal Affairs Estimates Committee F Primary Industries and Energy

Community Services and Health Social Security. (4) That the Committees report to 2 November 1988. Question put and passed.

the Senate on or before Wednesday,

2. Estimates Committee Groups

Estimates Committee A Parliament Industry, Technology and Commerce Prime Minister and Cabinet

Industrial Relations

Estimates Committee B Transport and Communications Foreign Affairs and Trade

Estimates Committee C Finance Treasury Primary Industries and Energy 1 Employment, Education and Training 2

Estimates Committee D Employment, Education and Training 1 Community Services and Health 3 Immigration, Local Government and

Ethnic Affairs 3 Veterans' Affairs 3 Primary Industries and Energy 2»3 Arts, Sport, the Environment,

Tourism and Territories 4 Defence 4

Estimates Committee E Attorney-General 3 Aboriginal Affairs 3 Defence 3 Administrative Services

Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs 4 Veterans' Affairs 4 Social Security 4 '5

Estimates Committee F Social Security 3·6 Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories 3 Attorney-General's 4 Aboriginal Affairs 4

Primary Industries and Energy 4 Community Services and Health 4

1 2 3 4 5 6

Considered by Considered by Considered by Considered by Considered by Considered by

this Committee this Committee this Committee this Committee this Committee this Committee

up until 25 March 1988. after 25 March 1988. up until 31 August 1988. after 31 August 1988. up until 1 September 1988. after 1 September 1988.

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3. Membership of Committees

Estimates Committee A Senator Childs (Chairman) Senator Alston Senator Bishop Senator Burns 14

Senator Chapman Senator Cook 5 Senator McMullan 6 Senator McKiernan 15

Estimates Committee B Senator Gietzelt (Chairman) Senator Brownhill Senator Devereux 2

Senator MacGibbon 14 Senator Maguire 1 Senator Panizza Senator Schacht 14

Senator Hamer 16 Senator Morris 15 Senator Alston 16

Estimates Committee C Senator Crowley (Chairman) Senator Archer 10 -14 Senator Collins

Senator Devlin Senator McGauran Senator Parer 14 Senator Watson 11

Senator Messner 15 Senator Teague 15

Estimates Committee D Senator Colston (Chairman) 14 Senator Peter Baume 14 Senator Giles 14

Senator Shell 10'14 Senator Walters 14 Senator Zakharov 14 Senator Bjelke-Petersen 11

Senator Black (Chairman) 15 Senator Coates 15 Senator Cooney 15 Senator Hill Senator Puplick 17

Senator Reid 17 Senator MacGibbon 17 Senator Newman 17

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1 2 3 4 5

6 7 8 9

10 11 12 13 14 15 16

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18 19

Estimates Committee E Senator Aulich (Chairman) Senator Beahan 3 > 7 '14 Senator Bolkus 5 Senator Foreman 4 >8 Senator Newman 14 Senator Short 12 Senator Morris 9 Senator Parer 13 Senator Durack 15 Senator Maguire 15'18 Senator Devlin 19

Estimates Committee F Senator Black (Chairman) 14 Senator Coates 14 Senator Cooney 14 Senator Puplick 14 Senator Reid 14 Senator Vanstone 14 Senator Peter Baume 15 Senator Colston (Chairman) Senator Giles 15 Senator Shell 15 Senator Walters 15 Senator Zakharov 15

Discharged on 7 October 1987. Appointed on 7 October 1987. Discharged on 28 October 1987. Appointed on 28 October 1987.

Discharged on 18 March 1988. Appointed on 18 March 1988. Reappointed on 18 March 1988. Discharged for the period 18 March 1988 to 17 May 1988. Appointed for the period 18 March 1988 to 17 May 1988.

Discharged for the period 24 March 1988 to 17 May 1988. Appointed for the period 24 March 1988 to 17 May 1988. Discharged for 27 April 1988 only. Appointed for 27 April 1988 only.

Discharged on 29 September 1988. Appointed on 29 September 1988. Senator Hamer appointed on 29 September 1988, with Senator Alston to replace Senator Hamer for the consideration of the

estimates of the Department on Transport and Communications. Senators Puplick and Reid appointed on 29 September 1988, with Senators MacGibbon and Newman to replace Senators Puplick and Reid for the consideration of the estimates of

the Departments of Defence and Veterans' Affairs. Discharged for 21 October 1988 only. Appointed for 21 October 1988 only.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE 'A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

November 1988

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE Ά '

REPORT TO THE SENATE

November 1988

Estimates Committee Ά ' presents its report to the Senate

On 1 September 1988 the Senate referred the following matters to the Committee:

. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1989;

. Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1989;

. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1989 in relation to the Parliamentary Departments;

. The Advance to the Minister for Finance;

in relation to the Departments of Industry, Technology and Commerce, Prime Minister and Cabinet, the Department of Industrial Relations and the Parliamentary Departments.

The Committee met on 10, 11, 18, 31 October and 1 November 1988, to examine these departments' estimates. At the Committee hearings the Parliamentary departments were represented by the President of the Senate (Senator the Honourable Kerry W. Sibraa) and officers of the Parliamentary departments. The other departments were represented by the Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce (Senator the Honourable John Button) and officers of the departments.

The Committee's Minutes of Proceedings and the Issues Contents of the Hansard transcript of evidence are included in this report. The Hansard transcripts of evidence taken by the Committee concerning Appropriation (Parliamentary Departments) Bill 1988-89

Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1988-89 and Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1988-89 and the Advance to the Minister for Finance; are tabled in the Senate with this report.

The Committee, from its examination of the estimates, draws to the attention of the Senate the following matters:

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A) GENERAL

1/ Salaries and Allowances of the Clerks of the Houses and Departmental Secretaries

The Committee noted that, on pages 2 and 19 of the Department of the Senate's explanatory notes, by a government direction, sums have been included in the Appropriation (Parliamentary Departments) Bill for the salaries and allowances of the Clerks of the two Houses. The same has been done in Appropriation Bill

(No. 1) in relation to the salaries and allowances of secretaries of departments. These salaries and allowances are determined by the Remuneration Tribunal and are already appropriated by a standing appropriation in the Remuneration Tribunals Act. The result is that the Parliament is being asked to appropriate sums which have already been appropriated. In the Committee's view

this appears to be anomalous, if not objectionable in principle.

2/ Annual Reports of Departments, Agencies and Authorities

The Committee draws attention to the following list of

Departments and their associated bodies including statutory and non-statutory authorities, boards, agencies or other like bodies; who have not completed, or did not make available in draft form, their annual reports to the Committees

a ) Parliamentary Departments

- Department of the Parliamentary Library

b) Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce

. Advance Australia Foundation . Australian Industry Development Corporation . Austrade . Australian Manufacturing Council . Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation . Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research

Organisation . Commission for the Future . Industrial Research and Development Board . Management and Investment Companies Licensing Board . Recombinant DNA Monitoring Committee . Snowy Mountains Engineering Corporation . Steel Industry Authority

c) Department of Industrial Relations

. The Department of Industrial Relations . Arbitration Inspectorate . Central and Local Trades Committees . Stevedoring Industry Finance Committee • Office of the Industrial Registrar . Remuneration Tribunal . Affirmative Action Agency . National Occupational Health and Safety Commission . Trade Union Training Authority

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4) Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet

. Merit Protection Review Agency

and draws these Departments', Authorities', and/or agencies' attention to General Principal No. 8 of the document appended at Attachment A entitled "Guidelines for the Preparation of Annual Reports" tabled in the Senate on 18 November 1987 by the Minister

for Justice, Senator Tate.

B) PARLIAMENTARY DEPARTMENTS

1/ Consultation with Parliament on Budget Savinas

The Committee noted the concern expressed by the President of the Senate at the lack of consultative time allowed by the Minister for Finance, and the Minister's failure to take into account the role and responsibilities of the Parliament, in requiring the Parliament to make budget cuts of $6,249 million dollars within a

24 hour period. (Hansard p. A33)

Had further time been available to the Minister, the Speaker and the President, the Committee believes that a more satisfactory resolution of the differences which arose could have been able to

be achieved. The Committee draws the Senate's attention to the correspondence incorporated in the Hansard of 10 October 1988 in regard to this matter. (Hansard pp. A34-46)

2/ Program Budgeting

The Committee noted the fact that the estimates of the

Parliamentary Departments, with the exception of the Department of the Parliamentary Library, were not provided in program budgeting format. The Committee also noted however, the progress which has been made in this regard by the departments concerned.

(Hansard pps A51-52, A57 and A61)

3/ Parliamentary Library

The Committee noted with concern the likely effect on Library services to Senators and Members as a result of budget savings imposed by the Minister for Finance and the likelihood that more funds would need to be sought at the additional estimates in

April/May 1988.

4/ New Parliament House

The Committee noted with concern a number of matters in relation to the new building which, although raised during its

consideration of the estimates of the Parliamentary Departments, are in reality matters for resolution by the Parliament House Construction Authority.

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a) Television Cabinets

. The Committee expresses its concern at the apparent inability of the Parliament House Construction Authority to match the expensive fully imported monitors

(television sets) purchased, with built-in cabinet sizes. The situation has necessitated in some cases, the removal of the monitor locating turntable from the cabinets concerned, which in turn has meant a diminution in the flexibility of use of the monitors located within these cabinets. (Hansard p. A58)

b ) Sound and Vision System and Door Closing Mechanisms

. The Committee expresses its concern at the inadeguacies of the Committee Rooms so far as sound systems and door closing mechanisms are concerned.

(i) The Committee noted that there appear to be

deficiencies in the operation of the sound system from the point of view of witnesses, the public and the

Committee being able to clearly hear proceedings in the Committee Rooms, as in the Chambers;

(ii) the door closing mechanisms to the Committee Rooms are totally inadeguate.

. In particular the Committee noted the difficulties experienced by public and witnesses in Senate Committee Room 16 during its proceedings, so far as both of these matters are concerned.

c) Cleaning Contract

. Committee members have experienced first hand the inadequacies of the cleaning arrangements caused in part by the size of the new building, the fact that parts of the building were a construction site (and still are) when the building was occupied, and initial difficulties experienced by the contractor in obtaining sufficient numbers of staff. The Committee is pleased to note that the Joint House Department is closely monitoring this

five year contract. (Hansard p. A62)

d ) Recovery of Reports etc from Senators' Offices

. The Committee noted the Department of the Senate's

undertaking to re-examine recovery mechanisms currently existing for retrieval of reports and other materials that are circulated to Senators and is pleased to note that the Department has been able to come forward with a plan, involving the provision of separate office trays, which should ensure that these costly items are not consigned to the (inadequate) waste paper baskets provided by the Parliament House Construction Authority.

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e) Miscellaneous Matters of Concern

. The Committee draws attention to some relatively minor matters which it expects to be appropriately addressed by the responsible parliamentary department or the Parliament House Construction Authority:

i) The inadequate size of waste paper baskets supplied to Senators' and Members' (and staff) offices.

ii) The prevalence of theft within the new building. By way of example the Committee has noted the incidence of loss of items such as the expensive system integral telephones, which are not suited for use outside the

building, and the clock radios supplied to meet a

requirement for audio feed from the Chambers.

In regard to these latter items the Committee is

disappointed to note that, while they are inadequate for the purpose for which they were purchased, they are nonetheless easily removed from the premises.

C) DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

1/ The Committee noted that the Department of Industry,

Technology and Commerce was able to supply a corrigenda document to its explanatory notes and expresses its

appreciation to the Department for doing so.

2/ Offsets and the Partnership Development Programme

The Committee draws attention to what appears to be a disturbing tendency, exemplified by these programs, whereby former departmental officers involved in framing quite complex systems to implement government policy subsequently take up positions in

the private sector advising industry on the very systems or policies they helped to frame.

While recognising the rights of individuals to move between the public and the private sectors it may be necessary in the future for governments to consider the American practice of requiring former government employees to undergo an appropriate e.g. two year prohibition period before they are able to take advantage of

their inside knowledge.

3/ Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation

The Committee noted with concern the difficulties CSIRO is undergoing with respect to obtaining funding for purchase of capital equipment and endorses the Minister's remarks where he stated "I hope the Government would be in a position to improve the budgetary situation of CSIRO in the future and I hope that

the outside earnings and the targets for outside earnings which have been set for CSIRO will be made; and I have every confidence that they will". (Hansard p. A93)

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4/ Textiles Clothing and Footwear Development Authority

The Committee noted the statement on page 45 of the explanatory notes that

"The introduction of the TCF Industries Development Strategy was subject to the results of feasibility studies carried out in 1987-88. These studies are now complete."

While it appears from this statement that the TCF Industries Development Strategy is now in place, questioning by the Committee ascertained that only part of the TCF Industries Development Strategy was subject to the results of the particular

feasibility studies referred to. Furthermore, the particular studies, while complete, are yet to be published. (Hansard p. A29)

Other studies or sources of input to the development strategy such as industry efficiency studies, labour infrastructure and export development are not yet complete.

The Committee has been unable to establish whether all or part of the TCF Industries Development Strategy is now in place. If the strategy is in fact wholly in place the statement at page 45 of the explanatory notes is correct. However if that were the case it would appear that the strategy has been arrived at without the benefit of the further studies referred to in evidence to the Committee.

If the strategy is not wholly in place the statement at page 45 of the explanatory notes is inaccurate.

The Committee believes that it is not acceptable for the

department to allow the Textiles, Clothing and Footwear industry, to have to operate in a climate of confusion and uncertainty.

D) DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

1/ Recovery of Monies under the Building Industry Code of Conduct

The Committee noted the receipt of a letter dated 10 October 1988 from the Department in relation to a matter raised by Senator Bishop during the Committee’s consideration of the Additional Estimates, and in the dissenting report appended to the

Committee's report on the Additional Estimates, in April this year.

The Committee is concerned to note the inordinate length of time it took the departments involved to prepare a response to Senator Bishop's query and notes the coincidental timing of this response with the Committee's current hearings.

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2/ Affirmative Action Agency

The Committee noted that the Affirmative Action Agency's charter does not appear to require it to be concerned with the costs to companies of implementing affirmative action legislation.

The Committee also noted that companies have indicated to the Agency that positive benefits have flowed from the consultative process followed by the Agency in implementing the Affirmative Action programme. (Hansard p. A185)

3/ Sub-program 2.1 Public Service Working Conditions

The Committee noted that in answer to a question posed by the Committee concerning a comment in the Auditor-General's report of 30 June 1988, the officer attending was unable to make a full comment because he had not seen the report in question.

The Committee is of the view that officers appearing before Estimates Committees should take the time to avail themselves of available basic reference documents such as the relevant Auditor-General's reports, particularly where the matter on which

they are representing the department has been the subject of comment. (Hansard pp. A259-260)

4/ Sub-program 2.3 - Defence Force Conditions of Service

The Committee noted that the area of the Department of Industrial Relations concern is to ensure a reasonable level of remuneration for servicemen rather than with "the rather amorphous

difficulties associated with family life”.

The Committee is aware that the conditions of the families of service personnel are taken into account under the relevant government programs, however we make the comment that service personnel may often have to deal with "the amorphous difficulties of family life" under more trying circumstances than other

sectors of the community. (Hansard p. A260-261)

E) DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

1/ Australian Bicentennial Authority

a) Proposed Efficiency Audit of the Authority

The Committee has examined correspondence which took place in late 1985 and 1986 between the then Auditor-General and the Chairman of the Bicentennial Authority, Mr Kirk, and concludes that while Mr Kirk did not deny permission for such an audit to

take place he believed that the time scale for development of the Bicentennial Exhibition was such that he would not expressly give permission for an audit to take place.

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The Committee believes the following statement from a letter from Mr Kirk to Mr Ron Harvey, First Assistant Secretary Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, dated 26 August 1986 summarises Mr Kirk's attitude:

"We need to come to a landing on the proposed efficiency audit of the Exhibition. I have discussed this matter with the Director and have come to the view that although the Authority's operations are completely open, and I personally have no concerns about possible adverse comments arising from an efficiency audit, the time that remains for us to organise the Exhibition is so short that an efficiency audit as

foreshadowed may divert resources from the prime objective of getting the Exhibition on the road. It is always difficult to make a value judgement on these matters, but I feel we should not put any obstacles in the way of the Exhibition

preparation at this time.

However, I appreciate the need for control over high risk, high expenditure items such as the Exhibition and have directed our accounting group to pay particular attention to the financial operations of the Exhibition. Would you please put these views to the Auditor-General."

The Committee considers that had the Auditor-General insisted on such an audit, Mr Kirk's formal consent would have been

forthcoming.

b) Redundancy/Superannuation Payments

The Committee draws attention to the matter of redundancy payments for staff of the Australian Bicentennial Authority.

The Committee is aware that the Authority agreed on Monday, 31 October 1988, in consultation with the Department of Industrial Relations, on a system of redundancy payments. The Committee notes also that the Authority considers the arrangement to be

less than satisfactory.

The Committee agrees that staff who, in the interests of the Authority, and in the traditions of service to the public, remain employed with the Authority until it is wound up or their

contract is completed, should be adequately compensated for future employment opportunities forgone, where this can be clearly demonstrated.

It suggests further that the arrangement of only paying two weeks salary per year of service being contingent upon them not having another job, may be less than satisfactory. (Hansard pp. A239-240)

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c ) First Fleet Re-enactment

The Committee is aware of reasons why the Bicentennial Authority Board decided initially not to support the First Fleet

Re-enactment. These reasons included a perceived possibility of an over emphasis or centralisation on Sydney, a perception that such a re-enactment could be seen as a possible focus for

Aboriginal hostility, safety of the vessels concerned and the cost involved.

We have noted in the evidence given that a condition of providing a $500,000 loan to the First Fleet Re-enactment company for this event was that there not be a re-enactment of the first landing in 1788. The Committee accepts that this was an Authority decision, however, it considers that the final agreement for provision of a loan for this event could have been made more expeditiously. (Hansard pp. A236-238)

d ) Grants made by the Authority

The Committee is awaiting further information on the matter of the Authority's policy on grants.

As in the case of the First Fleet Re-enactment program, it respects the Authority's right and responsibility to take decisions in these matters. It notes, however, the dichotomy of attitudes which appeared to prevail concerning the appropriate directions for grants - for example between grants to sport and grants to the arts. (Hansard pp. A244-245)

2/ Office of the Status of Women

While being mindful that one of the officers present had only been appointed to the position for a very short period, the Committee noted on a number of occasions that information requested at this hearing was unavailable at the time. It

considers that basic information should be available in the future to allow for an appropriate examination to take place.

F ) ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

The Committee conveys its appreciation for the assistance given by the President of the Senate, the Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce, staff of departments, authorities and agencies and the officers who appeared before the Committee at

its hearings on 10, 11, 18, & 31 October 1988 and 1 November 1988.

Bruce Childs (Chairman)

November 1988

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

RESERVATION BY SENATORS BISHOP, ALSTON AND CHAPMAN

During its hearings on 10, 11, 18 and 31 October, 1988, the Committee received evidence on a number of items we view with concern that have not been mentioned in the Committee's Report.

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

( 1 ) Commission for the Future

We wish to draw attention to some matters of serious concern surrounding the evidence given to the Committee relating to a project presently being put together by the Commission for the Future entitled ' Project to Examine Telecom's Community Service Obligations'.

The CFF has published a Rationale and Brief Outline which describes the project as "being directed at the examination of appropriate conceptions of CSO's ... (with) particular emphasis on the consideration of the

relevance of CSO's in the data transmission area". It can be seen that the project is clearly expressed not to be confined to data transmission.

Yet the evidence of the Acting Director of the CFF, Professor Lowe, indicates that the project is so confined:

"The Commission has currently under discussion a project to look at community service obligations in non-voice

transmission" (Senate, 10 October 1988, A20 ) .

Despite the availability of only very meagre funds (according to Professor Lowe "we have set aside a total of $19,000 for work in the area of telecommunications") (A22), the CFF is currently embarking on four separate projects under the general rubric of "telecommunication and the information society".

Inevitably, and probably desirably, the Commission has therefore sought to expand its sources of funds. But the evidence made it clear that only Telecom had been approached and when asked why funding had not been

sought from other interest groups, Professor Lowe replied:

"Because, Senator, life is short".

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This is an outrageous and insulting pseudo justification for taking a selective and one sided approach to a question of widespread public interest with considerable national, financial and policy implications.

It should not take much imagine or foresight to see that Telecom has an acute vested interest in expanding the notion of CSO's as a means of justifying the

perpetuation of cross subsidies which are in turn dependent upon it remaining a monopoly service provider, not only of the basic network but in a number of related areas.

In view of the intense public debate about the cost of Telecom's present cross subsidies no sensible discussion of desirable future CSO's can proceed without a clear understanding of the likely costs involved.

It is therefore, little short of ludicrous that the Project "will not particularly consider the issue of costs and funding bases".

It is clear that the CFF is out of its depth. Instead of getting involved in half baked Mickey Mouse projects, it should be urging the establishment of an urgent public enquiry to determine the nature, extent and cost of Telecom's present cross subsidy arrangements.

(2 ) C.S.I.R.O,

It is of concern that the Government has reduced its funding for C.S.I.R.O., contradicting the Government's own response to the recommendations of the Australian Science and Technology Council in 1986.

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

(.1) Recovery of Monies under the Building Industry Code of Conduct

In the Reservation Report made by the above-named Senators following the Additional Estimates in April of this year, we stated that we were anxiously awaiting a

report on the result of the Department's investigations into what remedies the Government may have to recover monies paid by the Department to companies who had suffered because of industrial action taken by the Builders Labourers Federation during the period the BLF was being deregistered.

Despite our expression of concern the Department failed to provide the information requested until October. We regard the length of time taken by the Department to provide the information as being unsatisfactory and contemptuous of the Committee.

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The Principal Adviser in the Industrial Relations Operations Division, Mr D . McCullum, told the Committee that the Department expected to make payments of between $2 million and $3 million to companies arising from

claims.

This compensation pay-out is due to an omission in a Code of Conduct drafted by the Department which forced all businesses awarded Government contracts to "refuse to recognise, co-operate with, or deal in any way with

the BLF". The Committee was informed that the

Department was unable to initiate claims against the BLF "as the Commonwealth did not, under the ... Code of Conduct, enter into a binding obligation enforceable at law, any rights available under the doctrine of

subrogation must ... be considered inapplicable".

The Minister undertook to ascertain from the Minister for Industrial Relations whether the absence of provision for recovery of monies paid was a deliberate policy of the Government. We note that in the event

that it was not Government policy, the Department was negligent in the preparation of documentation. Neither is acceptable.

We hope that the Department will not take six months to provide the promised information.

(2 ) National Occupational Health and Safety Commission

The Committee was told by the Chairman of the National Occupational Health and Safety Commission, Mr T. Emmet, that the Commission's Deputy Director is domiliciled in Canberra but commutes to Sydney for three or four days

each week. The Committee was told that this had been going on for approximately 21 months even though the Officer had been given a compulsorytransfer notice. The Committee was also told that the Officer travelled

first class whenever a seat was available.

The Commission undertook to provide the Committee with the costing for this arrangement.

We feel that that Commission has acted irresponsibility in allowing this situation to develop and urge the Minister to ensure that this arrangement ceases forthwith.

DEPARTMENT OF PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET 1

(1) Governor-General Designate

The Committee was told that the Governor-General Designate' s recent trip overseas with his wife and a Departmental Officer had, to date, cost the taxpayer $26,484 in airfares (some of which will be refunded due

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to Mr Hayden cutting his trip short to return to

Australia for the funeral of Mrs Blewett), $14,000 for the United States portion of the trip, $4,000 for the Hong Kong portion, and $12,300 for the United Kingdom portion. Mr Hayden and the Departmental Officer were also provided with a travel allowance.

The Committee was told that Mr Hayden had as part of his official program meet with the Queen, the Governor of Hong Kong and the President of Fiji.

The evidence provided to the Committee supports the widely held belief that the Governor-General Designate's trip was little more than a very expensive junket for Mr Hayden and his wife. We feel that the Government's authorisation of this expenditure was completely irresponsible.

( 2 ) Australian Bicentennial Authority

(a ) Macedonian Exhibition

The Committee heard evidence that the Chairman of the ABA had, after "a conversation with somebody in Canberra" believed to be the Prime Minister, authorised a grant of $950,000 to the Macedonian Exhibition. The grant was conveniently just below $1,000,000, which was

the limit to which the Chairman could make a grant without the consent of the Board.

We are most concerned about this example of political interference in the management of the ABA.

(b ) First Fleet Re-enactment

The Committee heard evidence about the extraordinary efforts the ABA went to to stop the First Fleet

Re-enactment occurring. Evidence was given that some Officers of the ABA carefully devised plans to, in their own words, "sinking the ship".

Evidence was also given that the ABA had gone to some trouble to disassociate itself from the First Fleet Re-enactment with the British Government and the Royal Family even to the extent of writing that the organiser

of the First Fleet Re-enactment, Mr Jonathon King, "very often escape(s ) the bounds of propriety".

We are concerned to know that the ABA, as a matter of policy, set out to do everything in its power to stop the First Fleet Re-enactment.

On behalf of the people of Australia, we would like to place on record, our appreciation to Mr Jonathon King and his colleagues, for succeeding in the Re-enactment and making Australia Day 1988 the undoubted success it was. The fact that the First Fleet Re-enactment

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occurred with little financial support from the ABA and the active attempt by some to destroy it is nothing short of a miracle.

(c ) Efficiency Audit

At the Committee's hearings last year, the Chairman of the ABA gave misleading evidence. We regard this to be a matter for great concern. If evidence given by witnesses is not accurate, then Parliamentary Committees will not be able to fulfil their responsibilities.

Appearing before Estimates Committee A on 19 October 1987 was Mr J . Kirk, Chairman of the Australian

Bicentennial Authority (ABA) and Mr W.C. Fairbanks, General Manager, Finance and Management Services, ABA. Senator Bishop asked Mr Kirk:

"... I now refer to the Auditor-General's 1986 report when he said that he had spent more than a year collecting legal opinions on the curious nature of the Authority. He stated that although its operational and administrative costs were almost entirely funded by the Commonwealth, the composition of the Board and its State and Federal nominees was such to put the Authority beyond its powers. Is this the case? Mr Kirk, I realise you would have inherited this. The Commonwealth Auditor-General is quite concerned about this.

He said:

"... the Commonwealth is not in a position to

exercise control over the company, nor it seems is anyone else - the accountability of the obligations of the directors of the ABA accordingly are obscure, to say the least."

Would you care to comment on that?

Mr Kirk:

I question the fact that is is not anybody else. The damn thing is accountable to me. One of the decisions I got from the Prime Minister (Mr Hawke) when I took the assignment was that we would have

access to whatever auditors were needed. We have asked the Auditor-General and outside auditors from time to time to audit everything because in an organisation such as ours we have to be very

careful that we have proper controls and proper audits. I think we have such.

Senator Bishop:

Have you in fact asked for an efficiency audit?

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Mr Kirk:

Yes, the Auditor-General did an efficiency audit, for instance, of the travelling exhibition. We have done a number of efficiency audits using the Coopers and Lybrand company, and others, on various aspects of the organisation. I am not sure that some of these audits were not a little too late

Later ...

Senator Bishop:

I go back to my original question concerning the Auditor-General's comments. When the final wash-up comes - or indeed before - will the Auditor-General be able to examine the efficiency of those outlays and whether or not they have been properly spent?

Mr Kirk:

It depends on what you call the efficiency of those outlays. That is judgmental. If you decide to have a round Australia relay, I do not know whether he or anybody else is in a position to decide whether that is a worthwhile project, but he will

certainly have the chance to do that, to see where the money went and how it was spent".

On 15 January, 1988 the First Assistant Auditor-General, Mr P.L. Lidbetter, wrote to the Secretary of Estimates Committee A:

"... Mr Kirk's advice was incorrect; the

Auditor-General has not carried out an efficiency audit of the travelling exhibition or of any other operations of the Authority.

Since the establishment of the Authority, the only audits carried out by this Office have been for the purpose of reporting on its annual financial statements and accounts and records.

The problems in conducting an efficiency audit of the Authority were outlined in paragraphs 2.5.6 to 2.5.9 inclusive of the 1985-86 report of the Australian Audit Office ... The report indicated

that the only avenue for an efficiency audit to be conducted of the Authority's activities required the consent of the Authority. In July 1986 the Authority's agreement was sought to conduct an

audit of the Bicentennial Exhibition but Mr Kirk declined to give that consent."

A copy of this letter was forwarded to Mr Kirk by the Secretary of the Committee, Dr John Uhr.

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Paragraphs 2.5.6 to 2.5.9 of the 1985-86 Report of the Australian Audit Office (AAO) read:

"2.5.6 An even more difficult situation can occur where a body has been established as an

incorporated company but the Commonwealth is not in a position to exercise control over the body. Such a situation was found in the case of the ABA. Although its operational and administration costs

are almost entirely funded by the Commonwealth, the composition of the Board is such that the

Auditor-General's Department has advised me that the Commonwealth is not in a position to exercise control over the Authority (nor, it seems, is anyone else - the accountability obligations of the Directors of the ABA accordingly are obscure, to

say the least) .

2.5.7 In these circumstances a possible avenue for the conduct of an efficiency audit is to utilise the provisions of section 48C(7) of the Audit Act which covers monies paid by way of financial assistance to a body.

2.5.8 Under this sub-section the Minister may, subject to the consent of the body concerned, request the Auditor-General to carry out efficiency

audits. If the body is not agreeable to such an audit there the matter rests. Late in 1985 the Chairman of the ABA had indicated that he had no

objection to an efficiency audit. However, the best part of a year elapsed while discussions proceeded about the ABA's legal status and the application of the efficiency audit provisions. The Chairman's more recent position is that in view

of the limited time available for the Authority to organise projects before 1 January 1988, an efficiency audit could divert resources from the prime objective of meeting the timetable for the program. Thus, the consent necessary to allow the

Prime Minister to request me to undertake an efficiency audit has not been forthcoming. In consequence, an efficiency audit will not be undertaken.

2.5.9 While I can understand the Chairman's point of view this case highlights the inherent

limitations of the legislation. It effectively places discretion for deciding whether an efficiency audit is warranted with the auditee rather than the Auditor-General."

On 15 February 1988, Senator Bishop requested the AAO to forward copies of correspondence between the

Auditor-General and Mr Kirk as referred to in section 2.5.8 of the AAO's Annual Report for 1985-86 . In a letter dated 19 February 1988, the Acting

Auditor-General, Mr D.J. Hill, indicated that he could

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not release copies of the correspondence because of their confidentiality. However, Mr Hill was prepared to set out the "main thrust" of the AAO's correspondence with the ABA and the issues that were covered:

"Mr J .V. Monaghan wrote to Mr Kirk in December 1985 advising that he was contemplating an efficiency audit of the ABA's operations. He said that the audit would be desirable to provide assurances that the ABA's national program had been developed in an efficient and effective manner so that any constructive suggestions arising from the audit could be taken into account before the

implementation phase had progressed too far. The letter went on to mention the arrangements needed to begin an efficiency audit.

Following this letter the AAO sought a request from the responsible Minister for an efficiency audit in accordance with section 48C(2) of the Audit Act on the assumption that the ABA was an "eligible incorporated company". It came to light that the ABA may not be an "eligible incorporated company" as defined in the Act. A legal advising was then sought from the Attorney-General's Department. This concluded that section 48C(2) did not apply. The legal issue turned on the question of whether the Commonwealth was in a position to exercise control over the ABA having regard to the

constitution of its Board at that time.

A subsequent advising in June 1986 indicated that because the ABA receives monies from the

Commonwealth "by way of financial assistance" it would be possible to conduct an efficiency audit under the provisions of section 48C(7 ) . The making of a request by the Minister under this section

requires the consent of the body.

Mr Monaghan then wrote again to Mr Kirk, in July 1986 , informing him of these developments and advising that it would be open to the Prime

Minister to request the Auditor-General to carry out an efficiency audit of the ABA under the provisions of section 48C(7) of the Audit Act but in accordance with that section the making of such

a request would be subject to the consent of the ABA. Mr Monaghan mentioned that a relevant consideration was the lapse of time since an efficiency audit had first been mooted and that a wide ranging review no longer seemed useful. However, he considered there could still be merit

in undertaking an efficiency audit of some aspects of the ABA's operations such as a review of one of the major national programs. He cited as an example the travelling exhibition for which an

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efficiency audit could address management controls and arrangements for promoting and operating the exhibition.

Subsequently, in August 1986, Mr Kirk put the view that although the ABA's operations were completely open and he personally had no concerns about possible adverse comment arising from an efficiency audit, the time remaining to organise the

exhibition was so short that an efficiency audit might divert resources from the prime objective of getting the exhibition on the road by 1 January 1988. He went on to say that while value

judgements on these matters were always difficult he felt that obstacles should not be put in the way of the exhibition at the time ...

In this Office we are acutely aware of the

importance of ensuring that efficiency audits are timely. Because of the delays occasioned by the need to resolve the legal situation the value of

conducting an efficiency audit at that late stage then became a very relevant consideration for the Auditor-General. As consent was not immediately forthcoming and the time available to undertake the

audit had become very compressed no further action was taken by the AAO on this potential efficiency audit."

On 28 February 1986, Mr Lidbetter sought advice from the Attorney-General's Department on the application of the efficiency audit provisions of the Audit Act 1901 to the ABA. On 1 May 1986, Mr D.A. Jessop replied on behalf of

the Secretary of the Attorney-General's Department:

"Your questions, slightly rephrased by me, together with my short answers, are as follows -(a) Q . Is the ABA a 'public authority of the Commonwealth' as defined in section 48B of

the Act?

A. No.

(b) Q . If the answer to question (a) is no, is the ABA an ' eligible incorporated company' within section 48C(2) of the Act?

A. Probably not.

(c ) Q . Do sections 48C (4) and (5) of the Act require the Minister to obtain the consent of the States to the carrying out an

efficiency audit on the ABA in accordance with those sections? ·

A. Section 48C(4) and (5) do not apply to the ABA.

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(d) Q. Would it be permissible for the Minister to request the Auditor-General to carry out an efficiency audit of specified operations of the ABA, in particular those operations

relating to the administration of the National Program funded wholly by the Commonwealth Government?

A. No; unless the ABA is a body to which

sections 4 8 C(7 ) or (8) applies."

In the reasons for his answers Mr Jessop made the following statements:

. "there is no Act of the Parliament ... which

established the ABA ... The fact that the ABA was established under an Ordinance (which can be considered an enactment) does not mean it was established in accordance with an enactment."

. "... the special provisions in s . 48C for efficiency audits of 'eligible incorporated companies' (defined in s.48A) in my view indicate an intention that the expression 'public authority of the Commonwealth' is not to include an incorporated company."

. "Clearly the ABA is an incorporated company. The issue to be determined is whether it is a company ' over which the Commonwealth is in a position to exercise control'."

. "As a general rule a reference, particularly in taxation legislation, to the control of a company means control of the company in general meeting . . . Neither the Commonwealth nor anyone else has control of the ABA in that sense. On that test of control,

the ABA could not be considered an eligible

incorporated company for the purposes of section 48C of the Act."

. "It is ... by no means clear what test of control is envisaged by use of the words 'an incorporated company over which the Commonwealth is in a position to exercise control'."

. "In 1982 I took the view that the ABA was a

'prescribed authority' as defined in s . 3 of the Ombudsman Act 1976 in which the expression used in S.48A of the Act is also used. In coming to that view, I thought that the general test of control ... was not appropriate and instead applied a test of control of the company's administration (i.e. its directors or staff). I observed that the Commonwealth appointed the majority of directors and assumed that the

intention when the ABA was founded was to give the Commonwealth majority representation on the Board of Directors and that the directors appointed by the

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Commonwealth would be expected, at least, to reflect the Commonwealth's view.

Since that advice was given, the constitution of the Board of Directors has been changed by amendment on two occasions of Article 31, which provides for the

appointment of Directors. The Board consisted of 17 Directors when my previous advice was given, 7 of whom were appointed by the Commonwealth. One of those was to be a representative of the A.C.T. The Prime

Minister also had power to appoint one director and the Chairman was also appointed by him. This, in effect, gave the Commonwealth 9 of the 17

directorships. The Board now consists of 20

directors, 10 of whom are appointed by the

Commonwealth. But of those 10, 2 are to be

representatives of the A.C.T., 1 a representative of the N.T. and 1 an aboriginal Australian ... Whether the assumption that I made in my previous advice that all of the Commonwealth appointees would be expected to reflect the Commonwealth's view was then correct

is, I now think, doubtful. In any event it is an assumption that I would not now make with regard to the Commonwealth appointments made under Article 31. The assumption is, I think, vital to the view that the Commonwealth is in a position to exercise control over

the ABA. Consequently, I do not think that the Commonwealth is in a position to exercise control over the ABA. (This is not, of course, to say that the

Commonwealth Parliament lacks constitutional power to legislate so as to control the ABA. The power to legislate is not in my view an appropriate test to

apply in the present case.)"

"It is ... clear that the ABA was not 'established by ... an agreement between the Commonwealth and a State

. "As far as I am aware, the Act does not allow an

efficiency audit to be done on specified operations of a body, such body not otherwise falling within the confines of the Division, if part of its functions or operations are funded wholly by the Commonwealth Gove rnment. "

. "Even assuming, without deciding, that the

Commonwealth can be considered to pay monies to the ABA 'by way of financial assistance' within

section 48C(7) , the consent of the ABA would be required under that sub-section before an efficiency audit is carried out."

On 20 May 1986, Mr Lidbetter sought further advice from the Attorney-General's Department on the interpretation of section 48C(7) of the Audit Act 1901. Mr Jessop replied on 30 June 1986: ..

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"Your questions, together with my short answers, are as follows -(a) Q. Are the monies paid by the Commonwealth to the ABA paid 'by way of financial

assistance' to the ABA within the meaning of that term in section 48C(7) of the Audit Act?

A. Yes.

(b) Q. In the event of a request from the Minister to carry out an efficiency audit of the ABA, is the Auditor-General empowered to review the operations of the ABA relating to monies paid prior to the date of the instrument or would the power to audit only apply to operations relating to monies paid after the date of the instrument?

A. The Auditor-General would be empowered to review the operations of the ABA relating to monies paid both prior to and (probably) after the date of the instrument."

On 1 February 1988 (the letter was incorrectly dated 1 February 1987), Mr Kirk wrote to the Secretary of Senate Estimates Committee A:

"... I have studied the Hansard report and I must admit that it gives an inaccurate impression of the facts.

Although the Auditor-General has commenced an efficiency audit along the lines outlined by Mr Lidbetter, the audit had not begun on 19 October 1987 when I appeared before the Committee."

In the letter dated 19 February 1988, referred to above, Mr Hill wrote:

"... the audit of the travelling exhibition was begun during December 1987 and was a regularity audit. The objective of the audit was to evaluate the Authority's controls over the exhibition's assets, revenue and expenditure and the adequacy of proposals for their disclosure in the Authority's annual financial statements.

Difficulties inherent in the Audit Act inhibited the ability of this Office to carry out an

efficiency audit of the operations of the body such as the Authority. The AAO has not commenced any efficiency audits of the operations of the Authority".

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On 22 April 1988 Mr W.C. Fairbanks sent a letter to the Secretary of Estimates Committee A:"

"I refer to my Chairman's letter of 1 February concerning comments made to the Committee on 19 October 1987 in relation to an efficiency audit of

the Authority's travelling exhibition.

In his letter, Mr Kirk stated that an "efficiency" audit had been commenced. This information was incorrect in that the audit is more accurately described as a regularity audit.

Mr Kirk has asked me to draw this to your attention and to request that you convey his apologies to the members of the Committee. "

As already mentioned, it is of great concern that Mr Kirk gave misleading evidence to the Committee at its hearings in October 1987 and sudsequently. It is also of great concern that the Australian Audit Office was

stopped from conducting an efficiency audit of the Travelling Exhibition.

Apart from regularity audits and the hearings of this Committee, the ABA has not been subjected to examination of its performance. Considering that the ABA was responsible for the expenditure of hundreds of millions of dollars and that the Authority is of a limited

life-span we feel that it would be of benefit to have a comprehensive examination.

Section 16 of the Australian Bicentennial Authority Act 1980 states that "the authority shall be deemed, for the purposes of the Public Accounts Committee Act 1951, to be an intergovernmental body to which that Act applies". To date, the Joint Parliamentary Committee of Public Accounts has declined to undertake any investigation of

the ABA.

The Chairman of the ABA told the Estimates Committee that he would agree to the Public Accounts Committee conducting an inquiry into the ABA.

We are of the opinion that any comprehensive

investigation by the Public Accounts Committee would be useful in identifying problems thatauthorities such as the ABA may have. We note that in 13 years Australia will be celebrating the Centenary of Federation and that

any organisation the Commonwealth establishes to co-ordinate the event may benefit from the experience of the ABA and therefore a comprehensive inquiry would be

useful.

SENATOR BISHOP SENATOR ALSTON SENATOR CHAPMAN

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(0 any other steps designed to prevent the release of CFCs to atmosphere be taken.

FLAGS AMENDMENT BILL 1987 Notice of Motion Senator SHORT (Victoria) — ! give notice that, on the next day of sitting, I shall move:

That the following Bill be introduced: a Bill for an Act to amend the Flags Act 1953 to ensure that the Australian national flag is not altered except with the approval of the Australian people voting in a referen­ dum, that the Australian national flag is not supplanted

by use of the powers under the Act; and that the appointment of other flags and ensigns is subject to disallowance by either House of the Parliament.

AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL AIRLINES AMENDMENT BILL 1987 Notice of Motion Senator GARETH EVANS (Victoria-Min- istcr for Transport and Communications) —I give notice that, on the next day of sitting, I shall move;

That the following Bill be introduced a Bill for an Act to amend the Australian National Airlines Act 1945, and for related purposes.

COMPREHENSIVE TEST BAN TREATY Notice of Motion Senator VALLENTINE (Western Aus­ tralia)—I give notice that, on the next day of sitting, 1 shall move:

That the Senate— ,

(a) congratulates the Government for getting 122 countries to vote for its resolution on a compre­ hensive test ban treaty at the United Nations on 14 November,

(b) notes that the only votes against the resolution were by France and the United States; (c) notes, loo, that the United States position has hardened from that of 1986 when it abstained; (d) urges the Government to explain to the Austra­

lian people why our great friend and ally, the United States, is deliberately blocking the estab­ lishment of a comprehensive test ban which the world has been waiting for since the partial test ban treaty in 1963; and (e) calls on the Government to maintain its cam­

paign for a comprehensive test ban at the inter­ national level, including the establishment of the proposed global seismological network to monitor nuclear tests.

PRESENTATION OF PAPERS Senator TATE (Tasmania—Minister for Jus­ tice)—Papers are tabled in accordance with the list circulated to honourable senators. With the concurrence of the Senate, 1 ask that the list be

incorporated in H a n s a r d . 1 also seek leave to

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have the guidelines for the preparation of de­ partmental annual reports incorporated in H a n s a r d .

Leave granted.

T h e d o c u m e n t s r e a d a s follows—

1. Guidelines for the preparation of departmental annual reports —pursuant to sub-section 25 (7) of the Public Service Act 1922.

2. Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security- annual report 1986-87 —pursuant to section 35 of the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security Act 1986.

3. River Murray Commission —annual report 1985- 86—pursuant to section 14 of the River Murray Waters Act 1983 —together with the Auditor- General's report.

GUIDELINES f o r t h e p r e p a r a t i o n o f DEPARTMENTAL ANNUAL REPORTS G e n e r a l P r i n c i p l e s

1. Reports should be accounts of departmental op­ erations during the year under review. Special attention should be given to changes that occurred during the year, and departments may wish to

foreshadow expected developments in some areas.

2. The orientation of reports should be towards per­ formance, and the administrative and managerial aspects of departmental activities.

3. Reports should be concise, and achieve a balance between the need to avoid undue repetition of material available to the public elsewhere and the need to provide a comprehensive overview of operations

4. There should be consistency with information pro­ vided by departments in other forms (c.g. in Budget Papers). Any material inconsistencies should be explained.

5. Care should be taken in presenting any comments with a bearing on the operations of other depart­ ments or of authorities.

6. The structure and layout of reports should be designed to ensure clanty and public acceptability. AG PS guidelines on standards of production must be observed. Consideration should be given to the advantages of camera-ready production.

7. The detailed content and structure of reports are the responsibility of Secretaries of departments, who should consult their Ministers as appropriate.

8. Reports should be prepared on a financial year basis and be available for the estimates debates in the Budget Sittings. When reports are not avail­ able in time, departments should provide an in­

terim statement in A4 duplicated form (not including financial statements which have yet to be audited) for the information of the Parliament. In any case reports should be available within 6

months of the end of the reporting period

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9. Each report should contain (but not necessarily be limited to):

(a) a reference to the legislation requiring the preparation of a report, that is, sub-section 25 (6) of the P u b l i c S e r v i c e A c t 1 9 2 2 , and

an indication (in either the letter of transmit­ tal or in the contents pages) of reports made pursuant to other Acts, which are included in the annual report; (b) a clear statement of the department's goals;

(c) a description of the department's structure, with an organisation chart, showing senior officers, regional offices and associated bodies; (d) an account of the department's significant

activities during the year, showing the legis­ lation it administers and, in respect of each of its programs:

(i) objectives; (ii) results achieved and progress towards the achievement of objectives and targets; (iii) resources used; and (iv) reasons for any significant delays,

amendments, deferment or cancellation; (e) an account of the management of the depart­ ment during the year, including the operation of any major trust funds/trust accounts and

other trading and/or cost recovery activities, and. as appropriate, financial and staffing in­ formation of the kinds listed in the attach­ ment to these guidelines; (0 information on significant changes to business

regulations for which the Minister has respon­ sibility. setting out costs and benefits, includ­ ing changes in public sector resources; (g) an account of activities in the field of occu­

pational health and safety; (h) a report of the implementation and operation of the department's industrial democracy plan, as required under s.22C of the Public Service

Act 1922; (i) a summary of the department's equal em­ ployment opportunity plan, with performance assessed against it; (j) information on post-separation employment

cases handled by the department during the year (in compliance with Guidelines on Offi­ cial Conduct of Commonwealth Public Servants); (k) information relating to the Freedom of Infor­

mation Act, including information required under $.8 of the Act (covered by separate guidelines issued by the Attorney-General's Department); ( l) information on any significant judicial deci­

sions affecting the department or the users of the services provided by the department, and any consequent changes in departmental procedures; (m) information regarding any reviews by the

Auditor-General or parliamentary committees

which directly affect the department, showing recommendations arising from such reviews and the action taken to address them;

(n) information concerning any major reviews of the objectives or structure of the department during the year, the outcome of the reviews and changes or proposed changes resulting

from each review;

(o) where appropriate, information on the extent and main features of client complaints, indi­ cating any services improved or changed as a result of complaints or suggestions made by

(p) reference to other sources of information concerning the department, including publi­ cations, policy information and policy discus­ sion papers, submissions to advisory bodies or inquiries, major Ministerial Statements pnnted in Hansard and major Ministerial or depart­ mental news releases, with bibliographical de-, tails and addresses and phone numbers of information officers; and (q) reference to the activities of smaller statutory

bodies which arc responsible to the Minister and do not produce reports of their own, and information (in line with the response by the Government to the Senate Standing Commit­

tee on Finance and Government Operations' Interim Report, or any relevant Government decision announced subsequently) on non-sta- tulory bodies in the Minister's portfolio.

10. Reports of departments providing laboratory services should include information on facilities such as that contained in Volume 3 of the Report of the Committee of Inquiry into Commonwealth

Laboratories (the Ross Report).

11. Reports of all departments should reflect the general thrust of the Government's package of administrative reforms and should show the im­ pact of those reforms on departmental opera­ tions. Some aspects of the reforms arc adequately treated above; the attachment to these guidelines is designed to indicate the bearing of other as­ pects on management issues likely to need cov­ erage in annual reports.

A. M a n a g e m e n t I s s u e s

1. Where appropriate departments should include in their annual reports reference to:

(a) their approaches to financial and staff re­ source management;

(b) recent and planned developments, and initi­ atives instituted, in financial and staff re­ source management, and progress in implementing the aims and requirements of Program Budgeting (treated in the body of the Guidelines), Staff Budgeting and the Fi­ nancial Management Improvement Program; here should be included such aspects as:

(i) corporate planning structures and re­ source management strategies; (ii) the impact of consolidation of appropria­ tions and cash limits;

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(til) developments in management information systems; (iv) the extent of delegations granted and functions devolved to managers and others;

(v) management of staff resources (i.e com­ parative data on recruitment, retention rates, exit rates and mode of separation — e g resignation, invalidity, retirement); (vi) the relationship between organisational

structure and program structure (with specific reference to the allocation of re­ sponsibilities between program and func­ tional managers); (viii) cash management reviews; and (viii) developments in financial/staff resource

management training; (c) performance measures used, or being devel­ oped, in evaluating financial and staff re­ source management; (d) performance-monitoring activities undertaken

by internal units and external agencies; (e) progress made during the financial year in achieving economics; (Γ) work undertaken on behalf of departments by

other agencies, and vice versa; (h) procedures for the collection of revenues and the incurring of forward obligations, and (i) details of breaches of approved forward obli­

gation limits and any other breaches of the Audit Act 1901 or the Finance Regulations or Directions.

B F i n a n c i a l S t a t e m e n t s

I Financial statements should be in accordance with the guidelines determined by the Minister for Fi­ nance pursuant to a proposed revised section 50 of the Audit Act 1901. Until section 50 provides

for such a determination and until such guidelines come into effect, financial statements should in­ clude, as a minimum:

(a) details of receipts and payments (depart­ ments on program budgeting should report this information on a program basis) and explanations of significant variations from

budget figures; (b) details of free services provided by other agencies and (where practicable) an estimate of the value of each service; (c) details of individual Trust Account opera­

tions under sections 60 and 62a of the Audit Act 1901, including cash and investment bal­ ances; and (d) details of accounts payment performance.

2. The following information should also be provided in financial statements, where practicable:

(a) summary information regarding debtors, creditors and prepayments; and (b) a schedule of outstanding forward obligations.

3. The information listed in (2) above will be re­ quired in reports for 1988-89 and subsequent years. In earlier reports, where such information cannot

be provided, there shall be a statement by the departmental Secretary indicating why it cannot be provided and what steps arc being taken so

that the department will be able to provide it in

4. In 1988-89 and subsequent years departments’ financial statements, shall also be required to in­ clude schedules of major capital assets operated (by class), their value and the date and method of valuation.

5. Financial statements should be accompanied by an explanation of significant changes from one year to the next and must be consistent with other published financial data and include current year actuals and, where applicable, budget estimates and actuals for the previous year.

6. Where a department undertakes operations of a commercial or quasi-commercial nature in respect of which the Minister for Finance has determined, pursuant to section 4ID of the Audit Act 1901,

the form in which it shall prepare financial state­ ments for those operations, the departmental an­ nual report should:

(a) incorporate audited financial statements in the form determined.

(b) provide information as to the operational performance of those undertakings (e g the operating surplus as a proportion of total assets employed, trends in turnover, etc ) in­ cluding. where practicable, non-financial per­

formance measures; and (c) list any section 41D statements not yet final­ ised and/or audited, which will need to be tabled separately by the Minister.

7. The financial statement referred to in paragraph B 6 must comply with the Guidelines for the Form and Standard of Financial Statements of Com­ monwealth Undertakings, issued by the Depart­ ment of Finance 8. Until section 50 of the Audit Act is amended to

require audit and certification of departments' fi­ nancial statements, the Auditor-General shall have discretion to decide whether or when to audit these statements. After section 50 has been amended, interim statements prepared in accord­ ance with paragraph 8 of these guidelines should not include financial statements for which audit certificates have not yet been obtained.

C. S t a f f i n g I n f o r m a t i o n

1. Departmental annual reports should provide an overview of the staffing levels and characteristics of the department, with statistics in a sufficiently standardised form to permit comparisons with

Service-wide statistical information published by the Department of Finance.

2. The kinds of staffing information in reports should include information on the classifications and lo­ cations of staff, with indications of how many are employed under the Public Service Act 1922/ other Acts. Statistics on temporary staff should be

included and the numbers of men and women in the department and in various categories of staff should be shown. In relation to Senior Executive

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Service Staff, there should be information regard­ ing level, sex, gains/losses and participation in staff development activities.

3 Details should be given of the extent to which external consultants are used by the department, including (where practicable) the names of the consultants, the projects involved, the cost to the department and the justification for their use.

4. Other kinds of staffing information, reflecting the nature of particular departments and their work, should also be included in annual reports as appropriate.

CONCILIATION AND ARBITRATION (COMPLIANCE PROVISIONS) AMENDMENT BILL 1987 Motion (by Senator Chaney) agreed to: That the following Bill be introduced a Bill for an Act to amend the Conciliation and Arbitration Act 1904 ' to ensure compliance with directions of the Australian Conciliation and Arbitration Commission, and for re­

lated purposes.

Motion (by Senator Chaney) agreed to: That the Bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.

Bill read a first time.

Second Reading

Senator CHANEY (Western Australia — Leader of the Opposition) (10.10)—I move: That the Bill be now read a second ti(ne.

I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in Hansard.

Leave granted.

The speech read as follows— This Bill is being introduced at a time when the Opposition's view that there is a need to hasten the pace of adjustment in the Australian economy is gaining increasing adherence Since the Budget, the Minister for Finance, in a sup­ posedly private speech to Labor lawyers in Perth, expressed his doubts on this point. The Minister

for Industry, Technology and Commerce echoed these doubts in relation to industry policy last week.

Virtually every assessment of what is wrong with the Australian economy and what is re­ quired to enable it to meet the competitive chal­ lenge we now face includes reference to the labour market.

The Opposition has a clear policy aimed at making changes in the way the labour market operates in Australia. The fundamental objective of the Opposition’s policy, which was published in May 1986 by the then Shadow Minister for

Industrial Relations, the Honourable Neil Brown

Concilation and Arbitration Amendment Bill

QC, is to achieve an harmonious and construc­ tive relationship between employers and employ­ ees. Our policy of encouraging employee share

ownership and profit sharing, like our policy of encouraging voluntary work place agreements, is part of a general reform approach which is aimed at setting aside the destructive adversarial behav­ iour which has dogged industrial relations in this country.

A second major thrust of our policy is to restore accountability to the industrial relations system. Unfortunately all the co-operative be­ haviour in the world can still be destroyed by the unreasonable behaviour of a few. This year we have seen examples in the building industry, with the plumbers and gasfitters, in the actions Of a minority of metal workers in Victoria, and

with storeman and packers in New South Wales. A feature of many of these destructive disputes is the fact that the renegade elements of the trade union movement involved arc frequently in conflict with the trade union movement gen­ erally, and with the government of the day, as well as employers.

What has been lacking up till now has been an effective mechanism within the industrial ar­ bitration system which enables those renegade elements to be made subject to the system of

which they are so ready to take advantage. A system of conciliation and arbitration which binds only one side of the employer-employee relation­ ship is clearly defective. The existence of this

defect has been conceded by the present Gov­ ernment and we introduce this Bill because the Government has made it clear that it has no intention of coming to grips with the problem.

This Bill is the first in a series I intend to introduce to give legislative effect to various aspects of the Opposition’s industrial relations policy. In particular I intend to follow this Bill with legislation to encourage employee share ownership and to provide for voluntary unionism.

This Bill is designed to introduce effective compliance provisions into the conciliation and arbitration system. One of the most serious defects of the existing system is that there is no effective way of ensur­ ing that unions comply with the decisions and orders of the Australian Conciliation and Arbi­ tration Commission. The existing arbitration sys­ tem is in effect totally lop-sided. For example, when the Commission arbitrates for a pay in­ crease, that is written into the award and the employer is legally obliged to pay. Moreover there is an effective system of sanctions to en­ sure that he does so. Employees who arc mem-

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE 'A'

PRIVATE MEETING

8.45 a.m., Friday, 30 September 1988

Senate Committee Room No. 17

No. 1

1. Meeting; The Committee met in private session at 8.45 a.m. in Committee Room No. 17.

2. Attendance: Senator B.K. Childs Senator B . Bishop Senator J.P. McKiernan Senator R.F. McMullan

3. Notification of replacement Member of the Committee

The Chairman informed the Committee that, pursuant to the motion tabled in the Senate on Thursday, 29 September 1988, Senator Burns had been discharged from the Committee and Senator McKiernan appointed as his replacement.

4. Order of Departments

The Committee agreed to examine Departments in the following order: the Parliamentary Departments, DITAC, Department of Industrial Relations, Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.

The Committee also acceded to the request by the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce for two of its Statutory Authorities - viz the Automotive Industry Authority of Australia and the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology

Organisation, to be heard on 18 October 1988.

The Committee requested the Secretary to inform DITAC that although it had agreed on this occasion, due to prior

commitments of senior officers of both authorities, to hear these authorities out of sequence, and on a later day, this was not to be regarded as setting a precedent.

The Committee agreed to hear the Bicentennial Authority at 8.10 p.m. on Tuesday, 11 October 1988.

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It was also agreed that the Committee should break from 3.30 p.m. - 3.45 p.m. on Monday, 10 October to give Committee Members the opportunity to meet other commitments at that time.

5. Preparation of material by the Secretariat

The Secretary notified the Committee that the Secretariat would be available to undertake research work for the Committee prior to the hearings.

6. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 9.03 a.m.

Bruce Childs (Chairman)

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE 'A'

PUBLIC HEARING

10.00 a.m., Monday, 10 October 1988

Senate Committee Room No. 16

No. 2

1. Meeting:

The Committee met in public session at 10.00 a.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 16. The Chairman (Senator Childs) took the Chair.

2. Attendance: Senator B.K. Childs (Chairman) Senator B . Bishop Senator J . McKiernan Senator R.F. McMullan Senator H.G.P. Chapman Senator R.K.R. Alston

Senators Archer and P. Baume also attended.

3. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 and Expenditure Under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1987-88 - Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce

In Attendance

Senator the Hon. John Button, Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce

Mr G. Hallinan

Ms V. Stretton

Mr R. Palfreyman

Mr F . Kovachevich

Mr A. Caddy

Mr G. Carlos

First Assistant Secretary, Innovation and International

Executive Director, Industrial Research and Development

Acting Deputy Division Head, Policy and Corporate Services

Acting Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services

Executive Director, Management and Investment Companies, Lincensing Board

Acting Director, Resources Planning and Services

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Mr A. Bain First Assistant Secretary, Heavy

Industries

Mr B. Meredyth Assistant Secretary, Metals and

Engineering

Mr K. Matthews Assistant Secretary, Chemicals

and Automative

Mr R. Summerville Acting General Manager, National Industry Extension Service

Dr M. Fitzpatrick First Assistant Secretary, Light Industries

Mr P. Constable Director, Information Industry

Offsets

Dr R . Hawkins First Assistant Secretary,

Building and Service Industries

Mr D. Taylor Assistant Secretary, Service

Industries

Mr J . McLucas Assistant Secretary, Building

Industry Efficiency

Mr M . Emmery Acting Deputy Director, Bureau of

Industry Economics

Mr P. Smith Commissioner, Patent, Trade Marks

and Designs

Dr I . McCay Senior Assistant Commissioner,

Policy, Planning and Co-ordination

Prof. I. Lowe Acting Director, Commission for

the Future

Ms A. Mihelcic Office Manager, Commission for

the Future

Mr W. Spencer Assistant Director, Industry

Councils Secretariat

Australian Institute of Marine Science (AIMS)

Dr J. Baker Director

National Standards Commission (NSC)

Mr J. Birch Executive Director

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Textiles, Clothing and Footwear Development Authority (TCFDA)

Mr D. McCarthy Executive Director

Automotive Industry Authority (AIA)

Mr W. Scales Chief Executive

Mr P . Woodham Executive Director

Anti-Dumping Authority (ADA)

Mr D. Fraser Member

Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO)

Dr D. Cook Executive Director

Mr D. Wilson General Manager, Corporate

Mr R. Baker Director, Business Administration

Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO)

Dr N . Boardman Chief Executive

Mr I . Farrar General Manager, Corporate

Resources

Dr E. Henzell Director, Institute of Plant

Production and Processing

Dr A. Donald Director, Institute of Animal

Production and Processing

Dr T . Heyde Principal Secretary

Mr R . Lockwood Manager, Resource Budgeting

Ms J. Colefax Assistant Manager, Resource

Budgeting

Dr T. Healy Resource Planner, Institute of

Plant Production

Dr A. Pik Resource Planner, Institute of

Natural Resources and Energy

Dr A. Charles Resource Planner, Institute of

Animal Production and Processing

Mr I . Lowth CSIRO contact officer

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Australian Customs Service (ACS)

Mr D. 0'Connor Comptroller General

Mr J . Hawkesworth National Manager, Industries

Assistance

Mr H. Bates National Manager, Import/Export

Control

Mr D. Lee National Manager, Inland Revenue

Mr J. Chesworth National Manager, Barrier Control

Mr D. Griffiths Manager, Passenger Processing

Mr J . Drury National Manager, Coastwatch

Mr J . Houssenloge Director, Policy and Systems

Investigation Sub-Program

Mr P . Murphy Head of Inspectorate

Mr D. Jenkins First Assistant Secretary,

Co-ordination and Services

Mr G. Bannister First Assistant Secretary,

Systems

Australian Trade Commission (Austrade)

Dr J . Saunders Deputy Managing Director

Mr B. Friend Acting General Manager, Corporate

Service Group

Dr R. Webb General Manager, Export

Development Group

Mr R. Anderson Acting General Manager,

Operations Group

Dr D. Fisher General Manager, Finance,

Insurance and Projects Group

Mr P. Hartigan Manager, Corporate Communications

Unit

Department of Finance

Mr R. Henderson Chief Finance Officer

Mr S. Rylands Acting Chief Finance Officer

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Parliamentary Information Systems Office

Mr M. Goodall Manager

Mr S . Blume Director, Planning and

Administration

Mr J . Harber Manager, Technical Services

Section

Department of the Parliamentary Reporting Staff

Mr J.M. Campbell Principal Parliamentary Reporter

Mr B.A. Harris Assistant Principal Parliamentary

Reporter

Mr K . Shearwood Leader of Staff (Committees)

Mr M.J. Parrelley

Joint House Department

Administrative Officer

Mr M. Bolton Secretary

Mr F. Bradley Assistant Secretary

Mr D . Hood Assistant Secretary

Mr R . Wedgwood

Department of Finance

Acting Assistant Secretary

Mr B.T. Kimball Assistant Secretary, Government

and Foreign Branch

Mr E.J. Williams Chief Finance Officer, Government

and Foreign Branch

The Chairman called for consideration of the following divisions:

Division 101 - Senate Division 102 - Advance to the President of the Senate Division 105 - Parliamentary Reporting Staff Division 106 - Parliamentary Library Division 107 - Joint House Department

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 subject to an undertaking by the President and his officers to provide additional information to the Committee.

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The Chairperson called on for consideration the following Programs:

Program 1: Industry Policy and Development Program 5: Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation

The Committee suspended its hearing of the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce and agreed to resume

consideration of the Department after completion of the Parliamentary Departments and the Office of the Governor-General.

4. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-1989 - Parliamentary Departments

In Attendance

Senator the Hon. Kerry Sibraa, President of the Senate accompanied by the following officers 2

Department of the Senate

Mr H. Evans Clerk of the Senate

Miss A. Lynch Deputy Clerk of the Senate

Mr C. Elliott Clerk-Assistant (Management)

Mr P. O'Keefe Clerk-Assistant (Procedure)

Mr J. Vander Wyk Clerk-Assistant (Table)

Miss M. Cornwell Clerk-Assistant (Committees)

Mr R. Alison Usher of the Black Rod

Mr G. Nankervis Principal Parliamentary Officer

(Management)

Department of the Parliamentary Library

Mr H. de S.C. MacLean Parliamentary Librarian

Mr J. Brudenall Deputy Parliamentary Librarian

Mrs D. Bennett Head, Legislative Research

Service

Mr A. Wilson Director, Management Services

Mr M. Watson Assistant Director, Financial

Services

Mr J. Domitrak Assistant Director, Personnel

Services

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5. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 - Office of the Governor-Genera1

In Attendance

Senator the Hon. John Button, Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce accompanied by the following:

Governor-General's Office

Mr D . Smith

Mrs L. Lawless

Lt-Col G. Warner

Mr C. Bell

Mr K . Morcombe

Miss E. Sanderson

Department of Finance

Mr B.T. Kimball

Mr E.J. Williams

Official Secretary

Deputy Official Secretary

Comptroller to the Governor-General

Senior Executive Officer

Acting Director Honours

Administrative and Finance Officer

Assistant Secretary

Chief Finance Officer

The Chairman called on the following division for

consideration:

Division 516: Governor-General's Office

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and his officers to provide additional

information to the Committee.

6. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 6.58 p.m. without completing its examination of the appropriations for the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce.

Bruce Childs (Chairman)

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE Ά'

PUBLIC HEARING

4.30 p.m., Tuesday, 11 October 1988

Senate Committee Room No. 16

No. 3

1. Meeting;

The Committee met in public session at 4.30 p.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 16. The Chairman (Senator Childs) took the Chair.

2. Attendance: Senator B.K. Childs (Chairman) Senator B. Bishop Senator J. McKiernan Senator R.F. McMullan Senator H.G.P. Chapman Senator R.K.R. Alston

Senator Archer also attended.

3. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 and Expenditure Under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1987-88 - Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce

In Attendance

Senator the Hon. John Button, Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce, accompanied by the following officers;

Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce

Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO)

Mr P. Langhorne

Mr I.L. Farrar

Dr B. Heyde

Mr T. Healy

Dr A.J. Pik

Director, Corporate Services

General Manager, Corporate Resources

Principal Secretary, CSIRO

Institute Planner, Institute of Plant Production and Processing

Institute Planner, Institute of Natural Resources and Energy

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Mr R . Lockwood Manager, Resource Budgeting

Mr I . Lowth Assistant Manager, Resource

Budgeting

Ms J . Colefax Assistant Manager, Resource

Budgeting

Mr A. Waide Finance Officer, Resource

Budgeting

Mr H . Kwong Manager, Capital Resources and

Security Advisor

Australian Trade Commission (Austrade)

Mr B. Friend Acting General Manager, Corporate

Services Group

Mr R. Anderson Acting General Manager,

Operations Group

Mr G . Bellchambers Manager, Planning and

Development, Export Development Group

Mr S . Smith Manager, Group Development and

Services, FIPG

Mr D. Sear Manager, Export Grants Division,

Victoria and Tasmania

Mr P. Collas Manager, Financial Management

Mr L . Kennedy Manager, Funds Control

Australian Customs Service (ACS)

Mr F. Kelly Comptroller-General

Mr D. O'Conner Deputy, Comptroller General

Mr J . Hawkesworth National Manager Industries

Assistance

Mr H. Bates National Manager Import/Export

Control

Mr D. Lee National Manager Inland Revenue

Mr J. Chesworth National Manager Barrier Control

Mr D. Griffiths Manager Passenger Processing

Mr J . Drury National Manager Coastwatch

Mr J . Houssenloge Director Policy and Systems

Investigation Sub-Program

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Mr P . Murphy- Head of Inspectorate

Mr D. Jenkins First Assistant Secretary

Co-ordination and Services

Mr G . Bannister First Assistant Secretary Systems

The Chairman called on for consideration the following Programs:

Program 5s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation Program 2: Australian Customs Service Program 3: AUSTRADE

4. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 11.04 p.m. without completing its examination of the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce.

Bruce Childs (Chairman)

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THE SENATE

PUBLIC HEARING

3.50 p.m., Tuesday, 18 October 1988

Senate Committee Room No. 16

No. 4

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE Ά '

1. Meeting:

The Committee met in public at 3.50 p.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 16. The Chairman (Senator Childs) took the Chair.

2. Attendance: Senator B.K. Childs (Chairman) Senator B . Bishop Senator J . McKiernan Senator R.F. McMullan Senator H.G.P. Chapman Senator R.K.R. Alston

Senators Vanstone, Vallentine, Hill and M. Baume also attended.

3. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 and Expenditure Under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1987-88 Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce

In Attendance

Senator the Hon. John Button, Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce

Automotive Industry Authority (AIA)

Mr W. Scales Chief Executive

Mr P. Woodham Executive Officer, Anti-Dumping

Authority (ADA)

Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO) ... .......

Dr D. Cook Executive Director

Mr D. Wilson General Manager, Corporate

Mr R. Baker Director, Business Administration

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Department of Finance

Mr H. Dornan Senior Finance Officer

Mr S. Hylands Acting Chief Finance Officer

The Chairman called on for consideration the following programs:

Program 4: Nuclear Science and Technology Program 1: Industry Policy and Development (sub-program 1.1)

The Committee considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89, subject to the undertaking by the Minister and the officers of the Department to provide additional information to the Committee.

4. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 - Department of Industrial Relations

In Attendance

Senator the Hon. John Button, Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce accompanied by the following officers z

Department of Industrial Relations

Mr B. Preiss

Mr B. Yates

Mr D . McCallum

Mr R . Stewart-Crompton

Mr C. Hunt

Mr M. Coghlan

Mr I . Canney

Ms L. Clark

First Assistant Secretary, Pay and Classification Division

A/g First Assistant Secretary, Industrial Relations Policy Division

Principal Adviser, Industrial Relations Operations Division

First Assistant Secretary, Legislation and Review Division

First Assistant Secretary, Co-ordination and Conditions Division

Principal Adviser, Co-ordination and Conditions Division

Assistant Secretary, General A Branch

Director, Industry Projects 2, Directorate of Industrial Relations Development

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Mr K. Newall Director, Arbitration

Inspectorate

Mr T . Munyard Assistant Secretary, Management

Branch

Mr R. Fotheringham Assistant Secretary,

International and Policy Co-ordination Branch

Mr D. MacDonald Assistant Secretary, Working

Environment

Mr J. Walker Director, Resources Management

Mr D. Seymour Senior Finance Officer, Resources

Management

Office of the Industrial Registrar

Mr J . Leyden

Affirmative Action Aaencv

Manager, Administration

Ms M. O'Loughlin Deputy Director

Ms D . Kitchen Administrative Officer

Trade Union Training Authority

Mr A . Conheady Manager, Administration and

Finance

Mr P . Drew Director, Clyde Cameron College

National Occupational Health and Safety Commission

Mr T . Emmett Chairman

Mr I . Cameron Assistant Director, Resources

Mr M . Dando

Comcare

Manager, Finance and Services

Ms S. Halley Chief Executive Officer

Mr R. Knapp

Department of Finance

Assistant Commissioner, Premiums and Budgets

Mr J . Buckley Chief Finance Officer

Mr P. Willis Senior Finance Officer

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The Chairman called on for consideration the following program:

Program 1: National Industrial Relations, Wages and Incomes

5. Private Meeting:

The Committee adjourned its public hearing into the Estimates of the Department of Industrial Relations in Senate Committee Room 16 at 10.37 p.m. and met in private session.

Attendance: Senator B.K. Childs Senator B. Bishop Senator J. McKiernan Senator R.F. McMullan Senator H.G.P. Chapman

The Committee agreed to suspend its hearing of the Department of Industrial Relations and to resume consideration of the Department after completion of the Australian Bicentennial Authority.

6. Resumption of Public Hearings

The Committee resumed its public hearings at 10.55 p.m.

7. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 - Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet

In Attendance

Senator the Hon. John Button, Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet

Australian Bicentennial Authority

Mr J . Kirk Chairman

Mr B. Fairbanks General Manager, Finance and

Management Services

Department of Finance

Mr P. Willis Senior Finance Officer

The Chairman called on for consideration the following Program:

Program 5: Australian Bicentenary

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8. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 11.53 p.m. without completing its examination of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.

Bruce Childs (Chairman)

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE Ά *

PUBLIC HEARING

7.00 p.m., Monday, 31 October 1988

Senate Committee Room No. 10

No. 5

1. Meeting:

The Committee met at 7.00 p.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 10. The Chairman (Senator Childs) took the Chair.

2. Attendance: Senator B.K. Childs (Chairman) Senator B. Bishop Senator J . McKiernan Senator R.F. McMullan Senator H.G.P. Chapman

Senators Hill and M. Baume also attended.

3. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 - Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet

In Attendance

Senator the Hon. John Button, Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce, accompanied by the following officers:

Australian Bicentennial Authority

Mr B. Fairbanks

Mr B. Levy

Mr R. Fenton

Department of Finance

Ms S. Fergusson

General Manager, Finance and Management Service

Finance Manager

Budget Manager

Senior Finance Officer

The Committee resumed its consideration of the Australian Bicentennial Authority.

The Chairman called on for consideration the following program: .

Program 5: Australian Bicentenary

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the Australian Bicentennial Authority, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and the officers to provide additional information to the Committee.

4. Particulars of Proposed Industrial Relations

In Attendance

Expenditure 1988-89 - Department of

Senator the Hon. John Button, Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce, accompanied by the following officers s

Department of Industrial Relations

Mr B. Preiss A/g Deputy Secretary

Ms R. Campbell A/g First Assistant Secretary,

Pay and Classification Division

Mr B. Yates A/g First Assistant Secretary,

Industrial Relations Policy Division

Mr D. McCallum Principal Adviser, Industrial

Relations Operations Division

Mr R. Stewart-Crompton First Assistant Secretary, Legislation and Review Division

Mr C. Hunt First Assistant Secretary,

Co-ordination and Conditions Division

Mr M. Coghlan Principal Adviser, Co-ordination

and Conditions Division

Mr I. Canney Assistant Secretary, General A

Branch

Ms L. Clark Director, Industry Projects 2,

Directorate of Industrial Relations Development

Mr K. Newall Director, Arbitration

Inspectorate

Mr T. Munyard Assistant Secretary, Management

Branch

Mr R. Fotheringham Assistant Secretary,

International and Policy Co-ordination Branch

Mr D. MacDonald Assistant Secretary, Working

Environment

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Mr G . Ryan Assistant Secretary, General C

Branch

Mr J . Walker Director, Resources Management

Mr D. Seymour Senior Finance Officer, Resources

Management

Office of the Industrial Registrar

Mr J . Leyden Manager, Administration

Affirmative Action Aaencv

Ms M. O'Loughlin Deputy Director

Ms D . Kitchen Administrative Officer

Trade Union Training Authority

Mr A. Conheady Manager, Administration and

Finance

Mr P. Drew Director, Clyde Cameron College

National Occupational Health and Safety Commission

Mr T. Emmett Chairman

Mr I . Cameron Assistant Director, Resources

Mr M. Dando Manager, Finance and Services

Comcare

Ms S. Halley Chief Executive Officer

Mr R. Knapp Assistant Commissioner, Premiums

and Budgets

Department of Finance

Mr J . Buckley Chief Finance Officer

Mr P . Willis Senior Finance Officer

The Committee resumed its consideration of the Department of Industrial Relations.

The Chairman called on the following Programs for consideration:

Program Is National Industrial Relations, Wages and Incomes (sub-program 1.9) Program 2: Australian Governmment Remmuneration and Conditions Program 3: Corporate Services

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and his officers to provide additional information to the Committee. '

5. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 - Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet

In Attendance

Senator the Hon. John Button, Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet

Mr C . Conybeare

Mr R. Mills

Ms H. LOrange

Ms E . Delaney

Ms A. Tinney

Ms K. Taperell

Dr P. Shergold

Mr P . Vaughan

Ms V. Nihas

Deputy Secretary

A/g Deputy Secretary

First Assistant Secretary, Office of the Status of Women

Assistant Secretary, Policy Branch, Office of the Status of Women

A/g First Assistant Secretary, Parliamentary and Government Division

A/g First Assistant Secretary, Bicentennial and Community Relations Division

First Assistant Secretary, Office of Multicultural Affairs

Assistant Secretary, Policy and Research Branch, Office of Multicultural Affairs

Assistant Secretary, Liaison and Community Information, Office of Multicultural Affairs

Mr T. O'Sullivan Manager, Corporate Services

Division

Mr D. Anderson Assistant Secretary,

Ceremonial and Hospitality Branch

Mr G. Linehan A/g Director,

Finance and Services Section

Ms D. Wilson A/g Senior Finance Officer

Mr B. Gordon A/g Finance Officer

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Commonwealth Ombudsman's Office

Mr M. Williamson Senior Assistant Ombudsman

Mr B . Hugg Executive Officer

Economic Planning and Advisory Council

Mr F . Argy

Ms L. Lesueur

Mr E. Zinchencko

Public Service Commission

Dr G. Radford, A.M.

Ms R . Lynch

Mr P . Jones

Mr B. Minns

Director

Executive Secretary

Administrative Officer

A/g First Assistant Commissioner

Assistant Commissioner, Selection and Placement Branch

Assistant Commissioner, Staff Development Branch

Assistant Commissioner, Staff Branch

Finance Officer Mr D. Calaby

Merit Protection and Review Agency

Mr P . Gifford Director

Mr T. Thornton Resources Manager

Office of the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security

Mr P. Moss Principal Executive Officer

Australian Science and Technology Council

Mr I. Shortt Assistant Secretary, Briefing and

Administration

Mr G. Tomlinson Administrative Officer

Office of National Assessments

Mr T. O'Brien

Mr N. Denning

Mr D. Triffett

A/g Deputy Director-General, Economic and Executive

Chief Executive Officer

Senior Executive Officer

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Department of Finance

Ms S. Fergusson Senior Finance Officer

The Committee resumed its consideration of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.

The Chairman called on for consideration the following Programs:

Program Is Program 2 s Program 3s Program 4s Program 5s Program 6s

Policy Advising Government Support Services Public Administration and Accountability Special Sectoral Support Australian Bicentenary (sub-program 5.2) Corporate Services

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and the officers of the Department to provide additional information to the Committee.

Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 2.10 a.m.

Bruce Childs (Chairman)

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE Ά '

PRIVATE MEETING

6.30 p.m., Monday, 1 November 1988

Senate Committee Room No. 18

No. 6

1. Attendance: Senator B.K. Childs, Chairman Senator B. Bishop Senator R.F. McMullan Senator R.K.R. Alston (part) Senator H.G.P. Chapman (part) Senator J. McKiernan

2. The Committee met in private session to consider the first part of the draft report, dealing with its findings as a result of the hearings held on 10, 11 and 18 October 1988.

3. Documents circulated to the Committee

The following documents were circulated to members at the meetings

a) Answers to some of the questions asked of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet on 31 October or 1 November 1988 (Document received from Mr T.D. O'Sullivan, Manager, Corporate Service Division)

b) Copy of draft transcript of evidence of the Committee's hearings of 31 October 1988 and 1 November 1988.

c) Letter entitled "Estimates Committee Ά' Australian Bicentennial Authority", dated 1 November 1988, appended to which was a copy of a document mentioned in evidence on 31 October 1988 during the Committee's examination of the Australian Bicentennial Authority; which had been received by the Secretary at 12 noon on 1 November 1988.

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4. Tabling of Committee's Report

The Chairman informed the Committee that, due to the sittings on 31 October 1988 and 1 November 1988, it would be necessary to arrange for the tabling of the report to be put back to 3 November.

This would enable members to examine the transcript of evidence from the last days' hearings and prepare additional material for the report.

5. Consideration of Draft Report

The Committee agreed to consider the draft report commencing at the first page and taking note of any omissions or

alterations required.

On a motion by the Chairman it was agreed to consider the second part of the report, dealing with the Committee's findings arising out of the hearings held on 31 October and 1

November 1988; on 2 November 1988 at 12.45 p.m.

It was agreed that should it be necessary for a reservation to be prepared this should be available to the Secretary prior to 8.00 p.m. on 2 November 1988, unless otherwise advised, in order to allow for printing. The Committee's

report could then be tabled on 3 November 1988, in accordance with the approval of the Senate referred to above.

6. Consideration of Part 1 of draft Report

The Committee considered Part 1 of the draft report, and requested that amendments be made. Senators Childs, McMullan and McKiernan were in favour of the draft report, subject to the amendments being made. Senators Bishop, Alston and Chapman indicated that a reservation would be added to the report.

7. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 7.15 p.m., until 12.45 p.m. on 2 November 1988.

Bruce Childs (Chairman)

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE Ά '

PRIVATE MEETING

12.45 p.m., Wednesday, 2 November 1988

Senate Committee Room No. 18

No. 7

1 . Attendance: Senator Senator Senator Senator Senator Senator

B.K. Childs, Chairman B. Bishop R.F. McMullan R.K.R. Alston H.G.P. Chapman J. McKiernan

2. Minutes of the Previous Meeting

The Committee endorsed the Minutes of the previous meetings Nos. 1-6 subject to an amendment being made to the Minutes of Meeting No. 6.

3. Reconsideration of amended Draft Report (Part 1)

The Committee reconsidered Part 1 of the draft report as amended and subsequently adopted Part 1 of the Report. Senators Childs, McMullan and McKiernan, with the Chairman's casting vote, voting in favour of adoption and Senators Bishop, Alston and Chapman dissenting.

4. Consideration of Draft Report (Part 2)

The Committee considered Part 2 of the draft report and subsequently adopted Part 2 of the Report, with Senators Childs, McMullan and McKiernan, with the Chairman's casting vote, voting in favour of adoption and Senators Bishop, Alston and Chapman dissenting.

5· Reservation to the Report

The Committee noted that in accordance with Standing Order 36 AB (17) Senators Bishop, Alston and Chapman indicated that a reservation would be added to the Report.

The Committee was informed by the Secretary that the

deadline for preparation in final format for any reservations was 8.00 p.m., 2 November 1988.

6. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 1.15 p.m.

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DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

Chairman's Opening Statement Al-2

List of Departmental Officers A2-3

Corrigenda to Explanatory Notes A3-4

Program 1 - Industry Policy and Development

Offsets A4-6,71-72

Offsets and Partnership for development programs A6 Monitoring A7

Public Relations program A7

Venture Capital All

Technology Transfer A12

Offsets A13

Australian Institute of Marine Science A13

Crown of Thorns Starfish A13-14

Mariculture A14

Rise in sea level A15,A17-18

Centres other than Townsville A16

Sub-Program 1.7 - Commission for the Future A18

Publication A18-19

Project on telecommunications and the information society A19-25

Greenhouse effect A20-21

Seminar on Community Service -obligations and non-voice transmission A21-25

Sub-program 1.10 - National Standards Commission A25

Examination Times A26

Uniform packaging A26

Textile, clothing and Footwear Industry A28-32

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PARLIAMENTARY DEPARTMENTS

Opening Statement by the President of the Senate Schedule A - Funding Cuts Changes in Parliamentary Administration Parliament House - Telephone Handsets Telephone Information Management Systems (TIMS)

Television receivers and Sound and Vision Systems Waste paper baskets Return of unwanted Reports Tenure of Parliament House Construction Authority Sound problems in the Senate Chamber Wood Panelling - Senate Chamber Program Budgeting Format

Department of the Senate

Goals and objectives Control of Parliament House Parliamentary Precincts Parliamentary Library Parliamentary Information

Systems Office Program Budgeting Parliamentary Library

Joint House Department

Television monitors and cabinet sizes A58

Radio receivers Program budgeting Cleaning of Senators' Suites Future of Parliament House Construction Authority Maintenance of Parliament House

DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

Division 516 - Governor-General's Office and Establishment

Governor-General designate Governor-General's salary Overseas trips Upkeep of Government House and Admiralty House

Program 3 - Australian Honours

Proportion of women receiving honours

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE (resumption of consideration)

Staff-turnover - Messrs Hilsberg and Prendergast

A3 2

A33-44 A44-46 A4 6 A4 7 A47-48 A49-50 A50 A50 A51 A51 A51 A51-53

A52-53 A53 A53 A53

A54 A54 A55-56

A57-58

61,63,64 A60-61 A61-62 A6 2 A62 A62-63

A64

A64 A65-66 A66,68 A66-67

A68-70

A69-70

A7 0

A72-74

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Sub-program - 1.3 International A74

Multi-functional polls A74-77

Program budgeting A77

Use of consultants A77-80

Senior Executive Service Staff A80-81

Travel and Accommodation A81-82

Commonwealth Credit Cards A82

Sub-program - 1.5 Corporate Services and Information A82

Sub-program - 1.8 Industrial Property A82

Patents Office A83

IAC Report on Mining and Minerals Processing A83

Steel Industry A83-84

Automotive Industry A84

Shipbuilding Bounty A85

Vessel - the 'Island seaway' A85

Heavy engineering industry A86

Transport industry sector A86

Bounty (High Alloy steel) Act 1983 and (Steel Mill Products) Act 1983 A87

Steel industry plan A87

Transfer of $15m to Western Australia A87

Malaria Joint Venture A87

Austrade National interest claims A87-88

Building and Service Industries A88

Concessional export finance facility A88-89

Partnerships for development scheme A89-90

National Procurement development program A90

Science Innovation program A90

Sum of $200,000 - dispute between DITAC and Department of Finance A90-91

Program 5 - Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation A91

Sub-program 5.1 - Institute of Animal Production and Processing A91

Reconciliation of Budget document and CSIRO Report A91-92 Staff numbers A92

Average salary costs A92

Equipment allocation A92

Levels of funding to research A93

Quantification of value of CSIRO A93-95

Transference of funds between Divisions A94-95

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DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

Program 5: Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation

Community Awareness and Industry Involvement North Ryde reconstruction Staffing percentages

Program budgeting Tropical research facilities Funding by Industry vis a vis Government Cattle Ticks Recruitment of skilled personnel to Science

and Technology National Building and Technology Centre Institute of Natural Resources and Environment

the Greenhouse effect Closure of Field Stations - Entomology Costs of Chairman and Chief Executive Running Costs Capital Works ASTEC Recommendations

Second Tier wage increase Research capacity Air conditioning system for Holden cars Types of Research Loss of staff in research areas - Dr Scott

Institute of Animal Production and Processing Institute of Industrial Technologies Institute of Information and Communications Technologies

Program 3s Australian Trade Commission

Budget expenditures 1987-88 v 1988-89 Relationships with State trade organisations Insurance matters

Export Grants Scheme Austrade offices CER - New Zealand Agriculture marketing innovation

Freight costs

A98

A98-99 A99-100 A100-102 A103-104 A105

A106,A113-114 A106

A107 A108

A108-109 A109-110 A110 A110 Alll Alll Alll All 2 A112 A115-116 A117-118 A118-120 A120

A121

A122 A123 A124 A124-125 A125-126 A126 A127-128 A128

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Barter trade A129

Niche marketing A130

Interest subsidy A130

Export development strategies A131-132

ASEAN A132-134

United Kingdom A134

AMCOR A135

European operations A135

EMDG scheme A137

Program 2: Australian Customs Service

Liaison with Departments of Foreign Affairs and Trade and Industry, Technology and Commerce, and New Zealand Memorandum of Understanding (MOU)

Customs Co-operation Council Auditor-General's Reports - fertiliser subsidies Protective security Shift work

Australian Law Reform Commission - review of Customs legislation Interaction between AFP and Customs Quarantine detection Revenue Surveillance - Coastwatch Amann case

Passenger processing Asbestos - Sydney airport Northern Territory suveillance Coastwatch

A137-138 A138-139 A139-141 A141 A141-142 A142-144

A144-145 A145-146 A147 A147 A148-150

150 A150 A150-151 A151 A151

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DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

Program 4: Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation

Exchange of information with CSIRO Transportation of isotopes Alligator River analogue project Synroc Project Consultants Ageing Plant and equipment A158,

Strategic Research A158

Ceramics Disposal of wastes Worker health and safety Waste management - unauthorised discharges A160

Technical advice on visits by nuclear powered warships A161

Program 1: Industry Policy and Development

Automotive Industry Authority

Joint ventures Market development A163

Sarich engine - Orbital Engine Company A164

Components

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

Use of Consultants Consumer appointees to Advisory Boards Smoking bans Compensation payments made to employers who

suffered injury or damage as a result of action taken by the Builders' Labourers Federation A167 Advising Program Overseas visits A172

Technical advisor service A173

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A154

A154 A155 A155 A156 A157 A160 -A159

A159 A160 A16 0 A161

A16 2

A162

A16 3 -A164 A165 A165

A166 A167 A167

■A172 A17 2 A173 A174

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Workplace in industrial relations survey Assistance for Union restructuring Affirmative Action Agency Promotional Activities

Union liaison Consultants Arbitration Inspectorate Stevedoring and Coal Industries

Interstate Commission on the Waterfront Strategy Program on the working environment Consultancy on restructuring Conciliation and Arbitration

Industrial Relations Bill Guarding services Special industry legislation Affirmative Action Agency

Targeted industries HMS Edinburgh - docking National Occupational Health and Safety Commission - Auditor-General's report

Commuting by senior officers between Canberra and Sydney Trade Union Training Authority (TUTA) Mr Merv Nixon

Qualifications of TUTA employees Movement of Headquarters of TUTA

Program 5s Australian Bicentenary

Sub-Program 1 - Australian Bicentennial Authority

Auditor-General's Report and Efficiency Audits Public Accounts Committee Bicentennial Exhibition Superannuation and Redundancy pay Australian Bicentennial Authority Annual Report

Payment to former officers of the ABA Questions on notice by Senator Alston ABA Endorsed Events

Mementoes to School children "Good News" day, Darwin Consultants Army Tattoo

A174-A176 A176-A178 A178-A187 A181

A182

A184-A187 A187-A191 A191-A193 A192

A193

A195-A200 A201 A201 A201 A202 A202 A202 A203

A203

A204-A207 A207-A212 A209 A210

A210-A211

A213

A213-219 A214 A218 A220 A220

A221-A222 A222-A224 A224-A225 A225-A226

A226 A226 A227

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DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

Australian Bicentennial Authority (in continuation)

Answers to questions posed by Senator Alston

Program 5 - Australian Bicentenary

Sub-program 5.1 - Australian Bicentennial Authority

A224-235

A235

A235

First Fleet Re-enactment

Payment to Dr Armstrong Superannuation and Redundancy payments

Staff employment (Nos.) Consultants Australian Bicentennial Exhibition - costs and revenues AUSSAT contributions Consultants - arts and entertainment

Employees' Contracts Tall Ships Macedonian Exhibition Military Tattoo/ETF Trading Mojo MDA

10 Kilometre Road Race Expenditure on Bicentennial Programs - by States South Australian office of ABA Senator Tambling - Questions re ABA and

Aboriginal projects

A235-237,

247-250,251-254 A237-238 A238-239, 245-246 A240-243 A241-242

A243

A244-245 A244

A246-247 A251-252 A254-255 A255

A256 A256 A256 A256

A257

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

Program 1 - National Industrial Relations Wages and Incomes

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A257

Sub-Program 1.9 - Commission for the Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation of Commonwealth Employees (COMCARE)

Retirement due to illness Rehabilitation Stress-related diseases State statistics

Program 2 - Australian Government Remuneration and Conditions

Sub-program 2.1 - Public Service working conditions

Auditor-General's Report of 30 June 1988

Sub-program 2.3 - Defence Force Conditions of Service

Sub-program 3.1 - Executive, policy co-ordination and international relations

Questions by Senator Tambling Overseas Conferences ILO Conventions

Sub-program 3.2 - Management Services

FATEXT Systems Regional Offices

Sub-program 3.3 - General Services

DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

Program 1 - Policy Advising

Sub-program 1.1 - Departmental

Kirribilli House

Sub-program 1.2 - Australian Science and Technology Council

Office of National Assessments (ONA) Office of the Economic Planning Advisory Council

Program 2 - Government Support Services

Sub-program 2.1 - Governor-General

Governor-General designate - Mr Hayden

A258 A258 A258 A259

A259

A259

A259-260

A260-261

A261

A261-262 A262

A262-263

A264

A264-265 A265

A265-266

A266

A267

A267-270, A279-284

A270-271

A271-273 A273-276

A276-278

A27 6-27 8

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Sub-program 2.3 - Support Services A279

Upgrading of Security at the Lodge A278-279

Special purpose flights ' A258

Ministerial visits overseas A285

State visits A285

Program 3 - Public Administration and Accountability

Sub-program 3.1 - Office of the Public Service Commissioner A286-289

Sub-program 3.2 - Office of the Commonwealth Ombudsman A289-290

Sub-program 3.4 - Office of the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security A290-291

Sub-program 3.5 - Administrative Reform Unit A291

Program 4 - Special Sectoral Support

Sub-program 4.1 - Office of Multi-Cultural Affairs A291-299

Social Cohesion A292

Fitzgerald Reports - drafts A293

Cost of Access and Equity plans A295-296

Community information and education projects A296-297 Publication: "Towards a National Agenda for Multicultural Australia": a Discussion Paper A297-298

Sub-program 4.2 - Status of Woman A29 9

Grants

Grant to the ACTU Sex Role Portrayal of Woman in the Media Project National Women's Consultative Council Seminars Women's programs estimate - $1,772,000 Women's Information Services offices Projects Survey of Women in Rural Australia Justice Einfield's judgements on

sexual discrimination Style Manual

A299-301, A306-307 A29 9 A301-302 A302,304,306

A3 03 A303 A3 0 3

A304-305 A305

A306 A308

Program 5 - Australian Bicentenary

Sub-program 5.2 - Departmental A308

Opening of the new Parliament House - guest lists (Senator M. Baume) A308-312

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Sub-program 6.1 - Corporate Services

Rental property of the department A312

Costs of consultants A312

Grants to AFCO, ACA A312

ANOP A313

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee B presents its Report to the Senate.

1. On 1 September 1988 the Senate referred to the Committee

. the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service

of the year ending on 30 June 1989,

. the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in

respect of the year ending on 30 June 1989, and

. expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for

Finance for the year ended 30 June 1988

relating to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and the

Department of Transport and Communications.

2. The Committee has considered this expenditure, making

use of the Explanatory Notes (Budget Related Papers No. 8.8 and

No. 8.15) provided by the respective Departments. The Committee

received explanations of the expenditure from the Minister for

Foreign Affairs and Trade (Senator the Hon G. J. Evans, QC), the

Minister for the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and

Territories (Senator the Hon G. Richardson), the Minister for

Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs (Senator the Hon

R. Ray), and from officers of the Departments and authorities

concerned.

3. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings, the Hansard

reports of the evidence taken by the Committee, and a table of

contents to the Hansard reports are tabled for the information of

the Senate in connection with its consideration of Appropriation

Bill (No. 1) 1988-89 and Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1988-89.

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Written answers to questions taken on notice during the

Committee's hearings will be tabled in the Senate.

4. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to some

of the matters arising from its consideration of the expenditure referred to it.

Program Budgeting

5. Both the Portfolios examined by the Committee have fully

converted to program budgeting. They structured their Explanatory

Notes in program format. The format used for the Notes in

previous years resulted in information relating to a specific

program appearing in two separate places in the Notes. The format used this year eliminated this division and all information

relating to a program appeared together. The Committee found that

this made the Notes easier to use.

6. The larger issue, however, is the extent to which the

presentation of explanatory material in program format assists

the Senate and its Committees to scrutinise expenditure effect­

ively. The Committee notes that enhancement of Parliamentary

scrutiny was one of the stated aims of the introduction of

program budgeting.1 The Committee takes the view that the

achievement of this aim, and the benefits for Senators of the program format over the previous format, have yet to be

convincingly demonstrated.

7· A key element in program budgeting is the provision of

meaningful information by which to assess program performance. The Explanatory Notes of both the Portfolios examined by the

1 . Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Government O perations,

R eport on Changes in the Presen tatio n of the A ppropriations and D e p a r t­

mental E xplanatory Notes, (May 1985, Pari. Paper No. 242/1985), p. 4; Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Government O perations, Second R eport on Changes in the Presen tatio n of the A ppropriations and D e p a r t­

mental Explanatory Notes. (December 1985, Pari. P ap er No. 502/1985), p. 1.

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Committee were disappointing in this regard.

8. The Notes of the Foreign Affairs and Trade Portfolio by

and large provided as a measure of performance no more than a

description of significant events, activities or results under

each sub-program during the 1987-88 year. This information, while

useful, did not enable the Committee to assess whether a

particular sub-program was operating more effectively or

efficiently than in the previous year. Nor did the information

provide any benchmark against which the Committee could assess

the sub-program's performance next year and the years following.

9. The Committee appreciates that the development of these

types of performance indicators may be difficult, perhaps

impractical, for many of the activities of a Portfolio such as

Foreign Affairs and Trade. But if this is the case, it calls into

question the value of the Portfolio's adoption of the program

format for the information provided to assist Parliamentary

scrutiny.

10. A considerable part of the Explanatory Notes for the

Transport and Communications Portfolio appear to have been written on the assumption that the provision of performance

indicators was satisfied by telling the reader what sorts of data

would be required to measure performance. The provision of the

actual data, and comparisons to corresponding data for previous

years, was patchy. 1 1

11. For example, sub-program 5.1, 'Maritime Policy', has as

part of one of its performance indicators 'a reduction in the

number of ship days lost'. But no indication is given in the

Notes of the number lost during the year. Nor is any comparison

give to the numbers lost in previous years. As another example,

sub-program 1.1, 'Aviation Policy', has as part of its

performance indicators the rate of return on Government

investment in Australian Airlines and QANTAS. No figures are

given for last year. Nor are comparisons given to previous years.

12. The Committee recognises that the development of

performance indicators that are meaningful can often only be done

over a number of years. But the Committee considers that the rate

of development is unsatisfactory. Even where, as in the examples

given in the previous paragraph, the Committee would expect the

relevant data to be readily available within the Department, it

is not being supplied in the Notes.

13. A further limitation in program budgeting in its current

form is that programs do not extend across Portfolio boundaries.

Thus the activities of the Australian Trade Commission

(Austrade), whose principal function is to facilitate and

encourage Australian export trade and international business, are

not reflected in any of the trade-related programs of the

Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. This is because Austrade

forms part of the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce.

Overseas Aid

14. Within the Foreign Affairs and Trade Portfolio, Program

2 deals with overseas aid. As indicated in the Explanatory Notes

at p. 106, the aid program is described in detail in Budget Related Paper No. 4, Australia's Overseas Aid Program 1988-89. In

responding to guestions at the hearing, officers had freguent recourse to this latter document.

15. Where particular points are covered in more detail in

another Budget or Budget Related Paper than in the Explanatory

Notes, the Committee considers that detailed cross-references to

the other document should be included on the relevant pages of the Notes. This will assist the Committee in its examination and

save time at the hearings.

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Australian Broadcasting Corporation

16. In previous years Estimates Committees have had reason

to be critical of the accounting standards and practices at the

Australian Broadcasting Corporation. The Committee was therefore

pleased to be told by the ABC's managing-director, Mr David Hill,

that the Auditor-General's report on the ABC financial statements

for last year was available two months earlier than the previous

year and five months earlier than the year before that. This year's report was also, Mr Hill said, the first time that the

Corporation's financial statements had been free from substantive

audit gualification.

Order of Hearing Programs

17. The Committee conducted its hearing by calling on items

of expenditure by program and sub-program, as set out in the Explanatory Notes. The order in which items were called on was

largely determined by the Committee's wish to cause as little

inconvenience as possible to the many officers appearing before

it who had to come from Inter-State. Changes in the order were

made during the course of each day's hearings. The resulting

order, especially on the second day of the Committee's hearings,

became very fragmented and difficult to follow. This seriously

disadvantaged members of the Committee, and also other Senators,

especially those who wished to participate only for part of the

proceedings.

18. Accordingly, the Committee considers it essential in

future to give greater weight to the need to call on items of

expenditure in a order that facilitates logical and coherent

examination, and to adhere to order initially adopted.

Absence of a Minister

19. The Committee considered it a matter for regret that it

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had to meet for an hour and a half on its second day of hearings

without a Minister present. This occurred due to the absence of

Senator Evans overseas, and the fact that the attendance of no

other Minister could be arranged for the period in question.

Conclusion

20. The Committee expresses its appreciation for the

assistance provided by the Minister for Foreign Affairs and

Trade, Senator the Hon G. J. Evans, QC and to the following

Ministers who attended during periods when Senator Evans was

unavoidably absent: the Minister for the Arts, Sport, the

Environment, Tourism and Territories (Senator· the Hon G.

Richardson), the Minister for Consumer Affairs (Senator the Hon

N. Bolkus), the Minister for Immigration, Local Government and

Ethnic Affairs (Senator the Hon R. Ray), and the Minister for Local Government (Senator the Hon M. Reynolds).

21. The Committee also expresses its appreciation to the

officers who attended the hearings.

CONFIRMED

(Arthur Gietzelt) Chairman

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THURSDAY, 13 OCTOBER 1988

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 11.39 am in Senate Committee Room 14. The Chairman, Senator Gietzelt, took the chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988/89 - DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE.

3. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Hon G. J . Evans, QC, Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade

Mr F. C. Murray First Assistant Secretary Corporate Management Division

Mr A. D. Brown First Assistant Secretary Legal and Consular Division

Mr W. Weemaes Principal Advisor

Economic and Trade Development Division

Mr T. D. Wilson Acting First Assistant Secretary North East and South East Asia Division

Mr C. R. S. Rodgers Acting First Assistant Secretary Americas and Europe Division

Mr J . M. Trotter Assistant Secretary South Pacific Branch

Mr M. A. Cobban Assistant Secretary

New Zealand and Papua New Guinea Branch

Mr R. A. Burns Assistant Secretary

South Asia, Africa and Middle East Branch

Mr A. J. Hely Assistant Secretary

Negotiations and Trade Competitiveness Branch

Mr N. P. Davis Assistant Secretary

Economic Organisations Branch

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Mr K. W. Wilkinson Assistant Secretary GATT Branch

Mr G. A. Conroy Assistant Secretary

East Europe Branch

Mr G. J. Forrester Assistant Secretary International Organisations Branch

Mr A. R. Taylor Assistant Secretary

Australia Abroad - Cultural Relations Branch

Mr J . M. Malone Assistant Secretary

Overseas Information Branch

Mr C. A. Edwards Assistant Secretary Peace, Arms Control and Disarmament Branch

Mr I. H. Cousins Assistant Secretary Nuclear Branch

Mr M . Kupa Assistant Secretary

Resources and Liaison Branch

Dr R. S. Merrillees Assistant Secretary Staffing Programs Branch

Mr D. P. Connors Assistant Secretary Security and Communications Branch

Mr G. Cotsell Assistant Secretary-

Systems Development Branch

Mr G. J. Thompson Director

Budget and Resources Section

Mr G. C. West Executive Officer

Human Resources Section

Mr P. J. Hattam Executive Officer

Financial Resources Section

Australian International Development Assistance Bureau

Dr R . B . Dun Director General

Dr P. McCawley Deputy Director General Policy Planning and Management Division

Dr R. C. Manning Deputy Director General Community, Commercial and International Programs Division

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Mr C. E. T . Terrell Deputy Director General Country Programs Division

Assistant Director General Policy Branch

Acting Assistant Director General Finance and Resource Management Branch

Acting Director Corporate Planning, Budget and Effectiveness Review Section

for International Agricultural Research

Deputy Director

Centre Secretary

Manager, Corporate Services

Department of Finance

Mr E. J . Williams Chief Finance Officer Defence and Government Division

Mr R. Noakes Senior Finance Officer

Defence and Government Division

The Chairman called on for consideration the following sub­ programs: 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 3.1, 3.2, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4 and program 6. The expenditure in these sub-programs and this program taken together included all the

particulars of proposed expenditure relating to the Department that were referred to the Committee.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure relating to the Department, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and officers to provide additional information to the Committee.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988/89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987/88 -DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS.

5. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Hon. G. J. Evans, QC, Minister representing the Minister for Transport and Communications, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Transport and Communications

Mr P. Merner First Assistant Secretary

Domestic Aviation Policy Division

Mr T. H. Kanaley

Mr E. A. Huning

Mr S . Dawson

Australian Centre

Dr J . Ryan

Mr C. D. Thurlow

Mr A. Barden

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Ms C . Goode First Assistant Secretary

International Aviation Policy Division

Mr R. Elder Assistant Secretary

Domestic Aviation Industry Policy Branch

Mr R . Turner Assistant Secretary-

Infrastructure and Aviation Security Branch

Mr J . Hopkins Director, Air Safety

Mr G. Nadal Acting Executive Officer

Bureau of Air Safety Investigation

Mr B. Phair Strategic Planning Director, QANTAS

Mr B. Porter Manager, Policy and Planning

Australian Airlines

Mr A. Gray General Manager, Finance

Federal Airports Corporation

Mr B. Gemmell Assistant General Manager

Civil Aviation Authority

Mr M . Mayoh Assistant General Manager

Civil Aviation Authority

Mr P. Scott Secretary, Independent Air Fares Committee

Mr W. G. Upton First Assistant Secretary

Land Transport Policy Division

Ms F . Holthuyzen Senior Assistant Secretary Road Efficiency Branch

Mr R . Desmond Acting Director

Rail Business Section

Mr P . Makeham Acting First Assistant Secretary

Road Safety

Mr S. Jiggins Acting Assistant Secretary

Road User Branch

Mr R. Greatrex · Assistant General Manager, Financial Services, Australian National

Mr K . Norley Corporate Manager

Australian National

Ms D . Mi I d e m First Assistant Secretary

Corporate Management Division

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Mr G. McAdoo Assistant Secretary

Finance Branch

Mr J. Chandler Director

Budget Management Section

Dr M. Haddad Director, Bureau of Transport &

Communications Economics

Mr R. Rafferty Manager, Corporate Services, Bureau of Transport & Communications Economics

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Inter-State Commission

Mr F. C. Keith

Mr 0. Rodda

Department of Finance

Mr E. J. Williams

Mr R. Noakes

Secretary

Executive Officer, Secretariat

Chief Finance Officer Defence and Government Division

Senior Finance Officer Defence and Government Division

The Chairman called on for consideration the following sub­ programs i 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, 1.9, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, 7.1 and 7.2.

The Committee also considered expenditure by the Department under the Advance to the Minister for Finance, item 660.2.07 and sub-division 664.1.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.15 pm and agreed to meet again at 11.30 am on Thursday, 20 October 1988.

7. ATTENDANCE: Senators Gietzelt (Chairman), Brownhill, Devereux, Hamer, Morris and Panizza.

Senators Boswell, Harradine, Hill, MacGibbon, Messner, Patterson and Vallentine also attended.

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CONFIRMED:

(Arthur Gietzelt) Chairman

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THURSDAY, 20 OCTOBER 1988

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.06 pm in Senate Committee Room 14. The Chairman, Senator Gietzelt, took the chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988/89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987/88 -DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS.

3. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Hon. G. Richardson, Minister representing the Minister for Transport and Communications, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Transport and Communications

Mr P . Crone First Assistant Secretary

Maritime Policy Division

Mr R. N. Smith First Assistant Secretary

Broadcasting Policy Division

Mr G. Luther Assistant Secretary

Technology Policy Branch

Mr J . Boulton Senior Executive Officer

Administrative

Mr C . Knowles Acting First Assistant Secretary

Communications Operations

Mr M. Hutchinson First Assistant Secretary Telecommunications Policy Division

Mr A. Arena Assistant Secretary

Enterprise Policy Branch

Ms D. Mi I d e m First Assistant Secretary

Corporate Management Division

Mr G . McAdoo Assistant Secretary

Finance Branch

Mr J. Chandler Director

Budget Management Section

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Australian National Line

Mr A. Fahy Manager, Group Finance

Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Mr D. Hill Managing Director

Mr G. Moriarty Assistant Managing Director Resources and Finance

Mr P . Lidbetter General Manager, Finance

Ms H. Mills A/g General Manager

Corporate Relations

Special Broadcasting Service

Mr A. Lloyd-James Head of Television

Mr S. Kerkyasharian Head of Radio

Mr R. Cowing A/g Director of Finance and Resources

Mr R. Stokes Director of Policy and Co-ordination

Australian Broadcasting Tribunal

Ms R. Medd General Manager

Mr R . See Director, Corporate Services

Mr B. Barbour Director, Licensing

Ms J. Paramore

TELECOM

Director, Programs

Mr G . Hams Senior Executive General Manager

Metropolitan Division

Mr G. Jacoby A/g Executive Director

Finance and Control

Mr G. Ward Director

Pricing, Corporate Strategy

Mr S. Fish

Australia Post

Manager, External Relations Office of Corporate Secretariat

Mr G. J . Flynn Director

Retail Operations Directorate

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Mr G. L. Brasier Manager

Financial Operations Branch

Department of Finance

Mr K. Mackay

Mr G. Piko

Chief Finance Officer

Senior Finance Officer

The Committee resumed its consideration of expenditure by the Department of Transport and Communications.

The Chairman called on for consideration the following sub­ programs : 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 2.6, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, 3.7, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4 and 5.5. The expenditure in these sub-programs, taken together with all the sub-programs for the Department that were considered at the Committee's previous meeting, included all the particulars of proposed expenditure

relating to the Department that were referred to the Committee.

The Committee also considered expenditure by the Department under the Advance to the Minister for Finance, sub-division 665.1.

4. DELIBERATIVE SESSION: At 5.59 pm, on the motion of Senator Morris, the Committee met in deliberative session. Senators Lewis, Patterson and Reynolds also attended.

5. PUBLIC HEARING RE-CONVENED: At 6.09 pm the Committee resumed its public examination of the expenditure of the Department of Transport and Communications.

6. DISSENT FROM RULING: The Chairman ruled that only one further question relating to TELECOM from Senator Brownhill be put orally. Senator Brownhill moved that the ruling be dissented from.

The Committee divided -AYES: (2) Senators Brownhill, Panizza NOES: (3) Senators Devereux, Gietzelt, Morris And so the motion was lost.

7. CONCLUSION OF EXAMINATION: The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure relating to the Department, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and officers to provide additional information to the Committee.

8. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.22 pm.

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9. ATTENDANCE: Senators Gietzelt (Chairman), Alston, Brovmhill, Devereux, Morris and Panizza.

Senators M. Baume, Lewis and Patterson also attended.

CONFIRMED:

(Arthur Gietzelt) Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 9

TUESDAY, 1 NOVEMBER 1988

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 12.37 pm in Senate Room

S 1 44. The Chairman, Senator Gietzelt, took the chair.

2. APOLOGIES: Apologies were received from Senators Brownhill and Panizza.

3. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: On the motion of Senator Morris, the minutes of the public hearings of 13 and 20 October 1988 were confirmed.

4. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: Senator Morris moved that the Chairman's draft Report to the Senate be adopted. Senator Hamer moved an amendment that two further paragraphs be added to the draft Report, relating to program budgeting across portfolios. Discussion ensued. Senator Hamer withdrew his amendment, arid moved an amendment that only the first of the two paragraphs be added. The motion as amended was agreed to.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 12.40 pm.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Gietzelt (Chairman), Devereux, Hamer and Morris.

CERTIFIED CORRECT:

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INDEX TO ISSUES RAISED IN COMMITTEE HEARINGS

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ISSUES RAISED DURING COMMITTEE HEARINGS:

THURSDAY, 13 OCTOBER 1988.

Subject Page

Chairman's Opening Statement B1

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE

Bilateral and Regional Relations

Administrative expenses B2

Overseas publicity - Australian bicentennial B3

Overseas tours B3

Overseas performers, etc. - visits to Australia B4

Bilateral/Multilateral trading arrangements B4

Trade facilitation fund B5

Austrade B5

Australian Studies Centre (London) B5

Philippines - bilateral aid programs B5

Philosophy of aid programs B5

China strategy B6

Soviet Far East - cost of missions B6

China-Australia trade B6

- promoting understanding of the Australian market B7 - Australian distributors Chinese products B7

Chinese Students in Australia B7

Australia-New Zealand Foundation B7

GATT mid-term review B8

Trade negotiations - costs of consultants B8

Australia-Japan Foundation B8

Pacific Economic Co-operation Conference B9

Vladivostok trade display B9

Philippines - multilateral assistance plan BIO

Papua New Guinea - Joint Declaration of Principles BIO Fiji - protection of Australian interests BIO

Central and Southern Africa - economic reform Bll

New Caledonia Bll

Australian trade losses in South Africa B12

International trade negotiations and development

Australian economy - promoting exports B12

Global issues

World Heritage Listings - travel costs B13

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- projected expenditure B14

- personnel involved B14

- Queensland rainforest listing - travel and personnel involved B14

Training - conflict resolution skills B14

United Nations Industrial Development Organisation (UNIDO) B15

UNESCO B15

International Maritime Organisation B16

United Nations Peace Keeping Force (Cyprus) B17

United National Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) B17 United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) B17

United Nations Truce Supervising Organisation (UNTSO) B18 Australian Institute of International Affairs B20

Peace Research Centre - special disarmament fellowship B20

- publications B21

- Strategic Defence Initiative B21

Human Rights Fund B22

Declaration of the rights of the child B22

Draft convention on the rights of the child B23

Common Fund for commodity stabilisation B24

USSR - "all in - all out" processing of Australian uranium B24-B25

Convention on assistance in case of nuclear accidents, etc. B25

Consular and Passports

Search for pilots (lost off West Africa) B26

Honorary- Consuls - planned pilot program B26

Passports - digitising photographs and signatures B27

Overseas Support Services

Official vehicles - overseas missions B28

Austrade overseas operations - cost of support services B28

Foreign Service Support

Administrative Service Officers, Class 4 - serving overseas B28

Communications

Diplomatic communications network B29

Security

Locally enlisted personnel B31

Corporate Services

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders B31

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Public Affairs

Aboriginal issues - international media coverage B32

Management Services

Photocopying - breaches of security B32

Aid

Aid allocation - expenditure in Australia B33

Four-year multi-country health programme B34

Population programs - East Timor B35

United Nations Fund for Population Activities B36

China - post-harvest activities B38

AIDAB-AUSTRADE relations B38

Aid to Southern African States B39

Program for S.E. Asia - activities of Family Planning Federation B39

Reproductive Health Agreements - Melanesia, Micronesia, Polynesia B39

Global Programs

UNICEF B40

Aid to Bangladesh B40

- population and family planning B41

International Seminar Support Scheme B41

RU486 abortion drug B43

Anti-HCG vaccine B44

Australian Centre for Agricultural Research B45

DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS

Independent Air Fares Committee

Staffing of Committee B47

Aviation Policy

Domestic Aviation Policy Division B48

International Aviation Policy Division B48

Domestic Aviation Policy Division B48

- transfer of airports to Federal Airports Corporation B49 - Aerodrome Local Ownership Plan (ALOP) B49

- Reductions in staff B48-B49

Technical equipment B49

Aviation Policy Divisions - staff employed B49

Qualifications of staff B50

Aviation industry costs - implication of establishing FAA and CAA B50

- increases in FAA and CAA charges B50

International airline licence B50

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Dividends - statutory bodies B51

QANTAS - performance indicators B51

Airports development

Handover of airports operations to FAA B52

FAC task force B52

Departmental recurrent costs and staffing B52

Departmental airports B52-B53

- staffing levels B53

- divestment of remaining airports B53

Domestic Aviation - administrative expenses B53

ALOP B53

- costs B53

- Rockhampton airport B53

- Coffs Harbour airport B54

- Broken Hill airport B54

- Mount Gambier airport B54

- Onslow airport B54

- employment of consultants B54

- Cairns airport B54

CAA - Gove control tower B54

ALOP - outstanding works B56

- negotiations in process B56

- Rockhampton B56

Investigating for Safety

Philosophy of accident investigation B56

QANTAS

Purchase of Air New Zealand B59

Dividends B59

Federal Airports Corporation (FAC)

Establishment loan B61

Value of assets B61

Discounted stream of costs and revenues B61

Evaluation of assets B62

Airports - considered as individual commercial enterprises B62

Depreciation of assets B63

FAC staffing B63

Business opportunities on airports B63

FAC rentals B64

Brisbane airport - lack of international terminal B64

- title to old Brisbane airport B65

Charges B65

Office furnishings B66

Staffing levels B66

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Capital works B66

Sydney airport B66

Safety precautions B67

Alice Springs airport terminal - redesign B68

Aviation fuel surcharge B68

Civil Aviation Authority

Adequacy of revenue earning base B68

Aviation fuel excise B69

Value of assets B70

Payment of subsidies B70

Insurance premiums B70

Staffing costs B71

Profit-loss B71

Sydney airport B71

- equipment B7 2

- delays B72

- air traffic flow control system B72

FAA standards - comparison with Australian standards B73

Australian National Railways Commission

Kalgoorlie-Kwinana line B73

Beltano - Opera in the Outback B74

Road Safety

Investigation of design/construction of roads B74

Aviation Support

Employees with outside employment B74

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Subject Page

DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS (continued)

Maritime

Waterfront industrial relations B 82

Legal expenses B 82

Ship days lost B 82

Navigational aids B 83

Seafarers - safety standards B 83

Singa Sea B 83

Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Mr Max Suich - consultancy B 84

Property sale - William Street, Sydney B 85

Outside broadcast bus - Adelaide B 85

Bicentennial TV programs B86

ABC-ABA negotiations B87

Hiring outside broadcasting equipment B87

The Body Show B88

The Learning Network B 88

Coverage of sporting events B89

Rural areas served only by ABC B 90

Sales - ABC-produced TV programs B91

Ratings - ABC-produced TV programs B91

Advertising - ABC TV B92

Australian content - drama B 92

Ratings - pursuit of B 93

Expenditure - comparison of news/current affairs with drama B94

Sharing of ABC facilities B94

Australia Today program B 95

Second radio network B96

Reception difficulties B96

Coming Out S how B96

ABC FM B98

ABC FM - Audience Reach B98

Specialist programming B99

Traralgon - planned transmitter B 100

2JJJ B 100

Site for new ABC studio - Sale B 100

Costs of facilities - SSO/MSO B 101

Radio Australia - reach of signal B 101

- service for overseas Australians B 101

Corporate service performance indicators B 103

Corporate support services B 103

Superannuation scheme - ABC executives B 104

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Public sector accountability BIOS

Government Printing Service BIOS

Purpose of borrowings BIOS

Repayment programme on borrowings BIO6

Savings in expenditure B106

Scan B107

ABC v West Nally Ltd. - Cost of litigation B107

24 Hours BIOS

The Listener BIOS

Revenue - ABC merchandising BIOS

Accounting controls B109

Revenue collection B109

Capital works-in-progress B109

Special Broadcasting Service

Staff numbers B109

Average salary B109

Acquisition of programs B109

Audience characteristics B110

Latrobe Valley - SBS service B110

Radio broadcasters - employment under Public Service Act B110

Australian Broadcasting Tribunal

Program standards Bill

ABC radio - complaints Bill

Organisation and efficiency B112

Administrative expenses - program regulation and standards B112

Workload B112

Telecommunications

Directory assistance calls - proposed charge B113

Community call rate B114

General costing rational B114

Generation of cross-subsidies B115

Country access lines - cost B115

Optic fibre - extent of cable B116

Local calls - pricing policy B116

Services - unsatisfied demand for B117

Remote Area Programme (RAP) B118

- work efficiency standards B119

Services - unsatisfied demand for B119

- waiting time for connection B120

- deferred applications B120

RAP - cost of installation B120

- commercial installations B120

Incorrect directory listings B120

Mobile radio telephone - privacy of communications B122 Consultancy review B122

Community service obligations B122

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Cross-subsidies - basis of calculation B123

00555 - information service B123

- regulation of message content B124

Berwick district (Vic.) - problems with telephone lines B125 Optic fibre link - Sydney/Melbourne B125

- capacity of fibres B125

Austel - duplication of administrative responsibility B126 Regulatory role B126

Establishment costs B126

Report by NZ Department of Trade and Industry B126

Geographic density of Australia B126

Work efficiency B126

Vision 2000 B127

Chairman's ruling B127

Thailand - telecommunications system B128

Telecom - Business Communications Magazine B128

Open System Interconnection Committee B129

Optical fibres - research B129

- liaison between OTC and Telecom B129

Cross-Tasman private telecommunications B130

Aussat - nature of business B130

International Space launch facility B131

Domestic telecommunications policy staff B131

- average salary B131

- overtime B131

Open System Interconnection Committee B131

The Learning Network B131

Franking machine licences B131

Postage B132

Direct mailing lists B132

Victorian State Historian B133

Philatelic services - data bases for mail order B134

Victorian Philatelic Bureau B134

Utilisation of property B135

- historic buildings B135

- joint ventures B135

Nowra Post Office - upgrading B136

Mr J . Everett - Aboriginal Broadcasting Unit B136

Mr P. Wilenski B136

Transport, storage, furniture removals etc. B136

Australian Government Corporate Card B136

Coastwatch - theft B136

Public education campaign - UHF TV B137

Bureau of Transport and Communication Economics - duplication of responsibilities B137

Broadcasting, Radio Communications and Technology Department

Mt Barrow - rebroadcast facility B137

RCTS service B138

Latrobe Valley - TV services B138

Mr J . Everett - Aboriginal Broadcasting Unit B139

AM/FM - conversion B139

Stolen equipment B139

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Central Communications Laboratory - plant and equipment B140 ABC FM - Gippsland B141

- Traralgon B141

AM Translator - Latrobe Valley B141

Regional Commercial Radio Service - Latrobe Valley B141

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

November 1988

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Report to the Senate

Estimates Committee C presents its Report to the Senate

INTRODUCTION

On 1 September 1988, the Senate referred to the Committee

the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the service of the

year ending on 30 June 1989, and the Particulars of Certain

Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the

year ending 30 June 1988, relating to the following portfolios:

Finance

Treasury

Employment, Education and Training

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The Committee has considered the estimates of these portfolios,

together with the portfolio explanatory notes, and has received

explanations of them from the Minister for Finance and officers

of the departments and authorities concerned. Copies of the

Minutes of Proceedings, Hansard reports of the evidence taken by

the Committee, and a table of contents to those Hansards are

tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with

Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1988-89 and Appropriation Bill (No. 2)

1988-89. Written answers provided after the Committee's hearings

will be tabled separately.

The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the

following matters:

GENERAL MATTERS

Program Budgeting

As mentioned in its report on the Budget estimates in

November 1987 and again in its report on the additional estimates

in April 1988, the Committee considers that Estimates Committees

should comment on such matters as program objectives and

performance indicators.

One matter which came to the Committee's attention during

the examination of the estimates for 1988-89 was that, in some

cases, program objectives continue to be couched in terms of the

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processes undertaken. An example was the statement of objectives

for sub-program 5.1.2 of the Employment, Education and Training

portfolio, relating to Job Search Training, which was in the

following terms:

To assist job seekers, particularly the young and those

unemployed 6 months or more, to enter employment through the

development of job search techniques and skills.

In the Committee's view, statements of objectives should include

more detail of proposals, programs and estimates of numbers to

allow a more comprehensive examination of estimates in terms of

outcomes.

Transfer of some fitout costs from Appropriations Bill No. 2 to

Appropriations Bill No. 1

On 22 August 1988 the Minister for Finance wrote to the

Committee proposing that certain terms of expenditure of a

capital nature now included in the proposals in Appropriations

Bill No. 2 should be included with recurrent expenditure in

Appropriations Bill No. 1. The Minister identified certain 'fit-

out ' expenditure, especially for personal computers and motor

vehicles, not exceeding $250,000 in the value of individual items

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as being items of expenditure which might be transferred. The

Committee agreed that the Minister's proposal seemed reasonable.

The Chairperson wrote to the Minister on 8 September 1988

agreeing with the proposal but seeking information regarding the

auditing of items up to $250,000 under the new arrangements. The

Minister responded that purchases of recurrent cost items would

be caught in the normal net of safeguards and audit processes.

The Minister also remarked as follows:

The level of expenditure is not a determinant of the type of

scrutiny applied. Importantly in the current context, the

above safeguards in respect of expenditures incurred are not

different whether the expenditure has been authorised under

Bill 1 or Bill 2, while, of course, the powers of the Senate

in respect to prior endorsement are different for the two

Bills.

At the hearings, the Minister was asked whether more details

of the auditing process might be supplied. The Committee awaits

his reply with interest.

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Timing for Submission of Explanatory Notes

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The Department of Finance wrote to the Clerk of the Senate

on 28 June 1988 to suggest that the Senate might consider whether

portfolio explanatory notes might be submitted on the Monday

following the presentation of the Budget, rather than on the next

day as the Senate had resolved in 1978. The Department of

Finance suggested that if there were more time between the

presentation of the Budget and the submission of the explanatory

notes, this would allow portfolios to prevent discrepancies

between the Budget papers and the notes, which had been commented

on in previous years by Senate Estimates Committees. The

Clerk of the Senate responded to the letter on 4 July 1988,

suggesting that the delayed tabling be tried as an experiment and

that, if it did not result in noticeably more useful information

or proved not to be acceptable to the Estimates Committees and

Senators generally, the previous practice of tabling notes on the

day after budget day be restored.

The Minister for Finance announced in the Senate on 23

August 1988 that the deadline for the lodgement of explanatory

notes had been put back. He remarked that the later deadline

will allow the departments to check their Explanatory Notes

against the actual budget documentation. Such a move should lead

to greater consistency of information, thereby facilitating the

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Senate's scrutiny of the Budget estimates. Subsequently,the

Clerk of the Senate wrote to all Estimates Committees asking

whether the later submission of the Explanatory Notes had

resulted in a more acceptable presentation.

The Committee considers that the later submission of the

Explanatory Notes has not caused it any difficulties, but the

Explanatory Notes should be received by Senators strictly within

one week from the presentation of the Budget.

Employment, Education and Training Portfolio

During its examination of portfolio sub-program 2.2, the

Committee was not able to obtain detailed answers to questions

about the National Board of Employment, Education and Training

(NBEET). This may have been due in part to the recent

establishment of that organisation. Officials from the

Department of Employment Education and Training (DEBT) indicated

that a representative of NBEET would be present to answer

questions at the next hearings of the Committee.

Another matter arising from the Committee's examination of

the EET portfolio's explanatory notes was an apparent

inconsistency between those notes and those of the Department of

Aboriginal Affairs relating to the monitoring and co-ordination

of Aboriginal employment programs, which are part of the EET

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portfolio but which were presented, at these estimates, under the

Department of Aboriginal Affairs examined by Estimates Committee

E. The Committee suggests that the position should be clarified

in the next edition of the EET portfolio's explanatory notes.

Treasury Portfolio

Department of the Treasury

An issue raised by the Department of the Treasury and also

by the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) was the difficulty of

retaining experienced staff. Dr. Higgins, the Deputy Secretary

(Economic) from the Department of the Treasury remarked that the

Treasury has 'grave concerns about [its] future capacity to

maintain performance if this trend continues'. The Minister

representing the Treasurer (Senator Walsh) informed the Committee

that no firm decisions had yet been made about how experienced

staff might be encouraged to remain within the Treasury, although

he mentioned the use of contracts and consultants.

Australian Bureau of Statistics

The Minister and officials of the Australian Bureau of

Statistics were asked about the 1988-89 Household Expenditure

Survey (HES). There has been some controversy about this issue,

relating mainly to whether a proposal to conduct the survey

should have been tabled in the Senate. The Committee's hearings

canvassed several matters concerning the HES, including its legal

status.

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During its consideration of these matters, on the night of

11 October 1988, the Committee concluded that it would be of

assistance if the Australian Statistician were able to attend its

hearing on 18 October. The Committee had been considering

correspondence between the Clerk of the Senate and the Australian

Statistician relating to advice given in connection with the

tabling of the proposal. The Committee was informed that the

Statistician had been granted leave for the week beginning 17

October 1988. The Minister representing the Treasurer was asked

whether the Statistician could be requested to attend. He

undertook to put the matter to the Treasurer.

The Committee's hearing of the Australian Bureau of Statistics

on 11 October was adjourned till 18 October following the passing

of the following resolution:

That the consideration of the Estimates for the Australian

Bureau of Statistics be adjourned until Mr Castles is able

to appear.

When the Committee met on 18 October, the Chairperson

reported that she had been advised by the Minister that the

Australian Statistician would not be attending and further,

that the Committee had nevertheless agreed to proceed

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with the examiniation of the estimates of the Australian Bureau

of Statistics. The Minister for Finance (Senator Walsh) then

read a letter in which the Minister Assisting the Treasurer (Mr

Peter Morris MP) observed that he was unwilling to recall the

Australian Statistician from leave and that he found 'the current

"Acting Statistician" arrangements satisfactory ...'. The text

of the letter may be found at pages C110 and Clll in the

transcript of proceedings.

During the Committee's further examination of the estimates

of the ABS, some of the correspondence between the Clerk of the

Senate and the Australian Statistician was tabled. Following the

hearings, the Clerk of the Senate wrote to the Committee on the

matter of the advice given by him to Senators and enclosing all

the correspondence that had passed between him and the

Statistician. The Clerk asked that his letter and that

correspondence should be placed among the records of the

Committee. The letter and its attachments will be included in

the additional material tabled by the Committee.

Among other matters raised by Senators with the ABS relating

to the Household Expenditure Survey 1988-89 was the timing of the

tabling in Parliament of the proposal to conduct the Survey. The

proposal was tabled in the House of Representatives as a 'deemed

paper' on 29 September 1988, the last day of sitting of that

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Chamber till 11 October 1988. This procedure and its timing

meant that Members could not know immediately that the proposal

had been tabled.

The ABS indicated to the Committee that its intention was to

inform the Parliament. In the Committee's view, the ABS should

ensure it understands the procedures of the Parliament so that

its intention to make documents public will be realised.

Australian Taxation Office

The Committee wishes to comment on three matters arising

from its examination of the estimates of the Australian Taxation

Office (ATO).

First, the Committee notes with approval the ATO's corporate

plan which was submitted during the hearings. Second, it wishes

to comment on the matter of whether the Taxation Commissioner's

rulings should be made available to the Parliament. It was

suggested by two senators that these rulings might be made

available to an appropriate Parliamentary committee. The

Minister representing the Treasurer (Senator Walsh) undertook to

take the proposition to the Treasurer. Estimates Committee C

suggests that the Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Public

Administration may wish to consider whether, if the Treasurer

agrees, it would wish to receive the Taxation Commissioner's

rulings. Third, the Committee reports that it dealt in some

detail with the method and purpose of the raid made by the ATO on

the offices of Citicorp in Melbourne.

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Acknowledgements

The Committee wishes to record its appreciation for the

attendance of the Minister for Finance and all the officials who

attended on all days of its hearings and thanks them for their

co-operation.

The Chairperson wishes to thank other Committee members

and Senate colleagues for their co-operation in dealing with

the estimates of expenditure for 1988-89 and also thanks the

secretariat to the Committee.

(Rosemary Crowley)

Chairperson

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINORITY REPORT TO THE SENATE

We bring to the attention of the Senate three important matters arising during the Estimates hearings and concerning the Committee's examination of the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Approximately five hours were taken up with questions arising

from the ABS conducting its fourth Household Expenditure Survey (1988-89). See Senate Hansard C80 to C107 (8pm to 10.26pm Tuesday October 11, 1988) and Senate Hansard C109 to C139 (3.52pm to 6.15pm Tuesday October 18).

1. ABS Failure To Inform Fully The Attorney-General

On August 11, 1988, the Secretary of the Attorney-General's Department advised that the 1988-89 survey was not a 'new proposal', that the ABS had no need to table the 1988-89 HES in the Parliament, and that the survey was legal.

However, it was revealed in the Estimates hearings that this ruling by the Attorney-General's Department was based on information supplied by the ABS and this information was

inadequate. It was inadequate in that it failed to describe new and significant items which needed to be taken into account when assessing whether the survey was a 'new proposal' or not (for example, see Hansard page C96).

It is our conclusion that the significant inadequacy of the information supplied by the ABS to the Attorney-General's Department compromised the subsequent ruling of that Department about the legality of the survey (for example, see Hansard page C126-127).

Also, the Estimates Committee was told that the ABS eventually did table the HES survey in Parliament. This tabling occurred on September 29, that is three months after the survey had begun. As the legal effect of a tabling cannot be retrospective, the ABS

is trying, in some respects, to entertain the fiction that there is a pre-tabling survey as distinct from the post-tabling survey.

The ABS representatives stated, for example, that persons who had refused to co-operate with the survey before September 29 will not be prosecuted, but those who refuse after that date may be prosecuted. Nevertheless, those in the former category have now been sent a letter by the ABS on the basis that the tabling gives a new status to the survey.

It is our conclusion that the ABS conduct of this HES survey, at least in so far as its claim to legality is concerned, is confused, contradictory, lacks credibility and is not convincing. The survey has lost the usual bipartisan support of the Parliament. Moreover, in the words of the ABS Assistant Statistician, Social Branch, Mr Giles, "The household expenditure

survey is the most burdensome survey undertaken by the ABS and it is also considered to be highly intrusive by some members of the community" (Hansard C98).

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It is our conclusion that the survey is not legal. This assessment is not only based on the inadequate information basis of the Attorney-General Department's ruling of August 11, but also on the advice of the Clerk of the Senate and the independent

legal opinion of Professor Douglas Whalan.

We also draw to the attention of the Senate that during the Estimates Committee hearings, the ABS representatives refused to admit their own current predicament. They stonewalled in giving answers and evaded accepting the logical outcome of some of their admissions. Their disposition was to put up a stoic defence of their often contrived story rather than always give

straightforward and frank answers to Senators' questions.

The early conduct of the ABS in regard to this survey was inadequate and confused and the subsequent attempts by the ABS in July, in August, in September and in October to defend their claims about the survey have lacked both frankness and credibility. We believe that a Senate Estimates Committee should be given straightforward answers in response to Senator's

legitimate questions.

2. Appropriation For The ABS Survey

The ABS on November 1 informed the Estimates Committee that the total cost of the HES survey for the period 1/7/88 to 30/9/88 was $1.3 million.

We raise the question whether the Senate would want to request that this appropriation for the ABS survey be not approved.

This Senate request would be on the major ground that the basis of the survey is not lawful or its legality is uncertain. Other grounds are the inadequate account given of the survey by the ABS to the Estimates Committee and the unusually intrusive and burdensome nature of the survey.

3. The Chief Statistician's Correspondence With The Clerk Of The Senate

On October 21, 1988, the Clerk of the Senate wrote to the Chairman of Estimates Committee C referring to the Committee's hearings and the Hansard transcripts at page C139. With this letter, as explained by the Clerk, he enclosed copies of the

correspondence between the Chief Statistician, Mr I Castles, and the Clerk of the Senate, touching on the ABS survey and the question of its legality.

It is our assessment that the letters from the Chief Statistician show disrespect to officers of the Senate who in this matter were rightly responding to Senators' requests for their advice. The letters also show an attempt by the Chief Statistician to

intimidate the Clerk of the Senate, which attempt we are glad to see was altogether unsuccessful.

We draw these assessments to the attention of the Senate in order to raise the question of whether the conduct of the Chief Statistician is in contempt of the Senate.

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Finally, we observe, with regret, that the Chairman of Estimates Committee C failed in our opinion always to conduct the Committee's hearings in that sound and fair manner that Senators expect of committee chairmen. We refer to the Chairman's freguent interruption of Senators when directing questions to the representatives of the ABS as set out in the Hansard record.

Senator B.C. Teague

Senator A.J. Messner

Senator J.J. McGauran

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

Monday, 10 October 1988

Tuesday, 11 October 1988

Tuesday, 18 October 1988

Tuesday, 1 November 1988

Wednesday, 2 November 1988

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APPENDIX 1.3

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 9

Monday, 10 October 1988

MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 10.15 am in the Senate Committee Room No. 14. Senator Crowley took the chair.

ORDER OF APPEARANCE: On the motion of Senator Messner, the Committee confirmed the suggested order of appearance of witnesses, namely:

Finance Employment, Education and Training Treasury.

LETTER FROM MINISTER: The Committee considered a letter from the Minister for Finance dated 22 August 1988. The Minister's letter provided further information about the treatment of running costs in the Appropriations Bills. The Minister also asked the Committee to agree to the

funding of minor items of eguipment and fitout valued at less than $250,000, from Appropriations Bill No. 1 rather than Appropriations Bill No. 2, as at present. A copy of the letter is attached.

After consideration, the Committee resolved that the Minister should be informed, either in the Committee's report or by letter, that it agreed to his proposal.

LETTER FROM THE CLERK OF THE SENATE: The Clerk's letter dealt with the Department of Finance's suggestion that the portfolio Explanatory Notes not be tabled until a week after budget day. The Clerk informed the Committee that he had

agreed to the suggestion as an experiment and that the proper test of the experiment would be whether it had assisted the Estimates Committees and Senators.

The Committee decided that the later tabling of the Explanatory Notes had not caused any difficulties.

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5. HEARING PROCEDURES: The Committee agreed that general questions should be asked under the appropriate heading in the Explanatory Notes.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.22 am.

7. ATTENDANCE: Senators Crowley (Chairperson), Devlin and Messner.

Confirmed:

(Rosemary Crowley) Chairperson)

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 10

MONDAY, 10 OCTOBER 1988

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10.27 am in Senate Committee Room No.14. The Chairperson, Senator Crowley, took the chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 FINANCE

PORTFOLIO:

3. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Hon. P. Walsh, Minister for

Finance, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Finance

Mr P. J . Barrett

Dr D . Rosalky

Mr M. Holmes

Mr M. J . Kennedy

Mr T. S . Wilson

Mr Μ. N. Woolley

Mr N . McKenna

Mr W. Brophy

Deputy Secretary

First Assistant Secretary General Expenditure Division

Assistant Secretary Program Management Branch

Assistant Secretary Accounting Policy Branch

Senior Finance Officer Public Administration and Accounting Development Branch

First Assistant Secretary Regional and Accounting Operations Division

Assistant Secretary Accounting Operations Branch

Acting Assistant Secretary ADP Branch

Mr C. R. Orr Assistant Secretary

Commonwealth Superannuation Branch

Mr M. W. Crompton Assistant Secretary

Retirement Benefits Branch

Mr G. C. Ford Senior Finance Officer

Primary Industries and Energy Branch

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Mr J . V. Galloway

Mr G. J. Smith

Assistant Secretary Resource Policies and Management Branch

Acting Director Finance and General Services Section

Commonwealth Task Force on Asset Sales;

Dr G . Smith Chief Finance Officer

Mr J. Hutson Senior Finance Officer

Australian Government Retirement Benefits Office:

Mr R. D. McKillop Assistant Commissioner

Resources Management

Mr K. J . McCullagh Director

Finance, Planning and Review

Mr R. R. Jackson Assistant Director

Planning and Financial Management

Australian Audit Office:

Mr C. T . Monaghan

Mr C. M. McPherson

Mr D. C. McKean

Mr B . A. Rossell

Mr F. P. Campbell

First Assistant Auditor-General Planning and Resource Management Branch

Assistant Auditor-General Planning and Resource Management Branch

Director Management Section

Director Facilities Management Section

Finance Officer Management Section

Mr A. Solomon Authorising Officer

Management Section

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 EMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION AND TRAINING PORTFOLIO;

5. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Hon. P. Walsh, Minister

representing the Minister for Employment, Education and Training, accompanied by the following officers:

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Department of Employment, Education and Training

Dr N. Johnston Deputy Secretary

Mr K . Power Deputy Secretary

Mr A. Kaspura First Assistant Secretary

Schools and Curriculum Division

Mr D. Brewster Assistant Secretary

TAFE Policy and Programs Branch

Mr M. Gallagher First Assistant Secretary

Community and Aboriginal Programs Division

Mr D . Buckingham First Assistant Secretarty

International Division

Mr B. Milligan First Assistant Secretary

Higher Education Division

Mr J. Mullarvey Acting First Assistant Secretary

Tertiary Education Planning Division

Dr M. Butlin First Assistant Secretary

Economic Division

Mr R . McNamara Principal Adviser

Client Services Division

Mr A. Abrahart First Assistant Secretary

Systems Division

Mr J. Muir First Assistant Secretary

Management Division

Mr D. Power Assistant Secretary

Resources Management Division

Mr P . Grant Assistant Secretary

Tertiary Planning and Resources Branch

Mr D . Wheen Assistant Secretary

Student Services Branch

Mr G. Williams Assistant Secretary

International Participation Branch

Ms J . Ledgar Assistant Secretary

Overseas Student Programs Branch

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Dr S . Gordon Assistant Secretary

Languages Policy and Asian Study Branch

Ms M. Cane Assistant Secretary

Aboriginal Employment Branch

Mr J. Parr Assistant Secretary

Aboriginal Education Branch

Mr W. Daniels Assistant Secretary

Institutional Grants Branch

Mr J . McCarthy Assistant Secretary

Training and Adjustment Assistance Branch

Mr R. Harvey Assistant Secretary

Program Assessment Branch

Mr P . Dowling Director

School Resources Planning Section

Mr R . Hancock Director

Staffing Resources Section

Mr R. Halstead Acting Assistant Secretary

Skills Training Branch

Mr A. Greer Principal Executive Officer

Traineeships and Industry Operations Branch

Mr E. Kilner Director

Program Resources Section

Mr P. Watson Director

Administrative Resources

Department of Finance

Mr B . Matijevic Acting Assistant Secretary

Employment and Training Section

Mr I McRae Chief Finance Officer

Employment and Training Section

Ms W. Jarvie Chief Finance Officer

Aboriginal and Student Assistant Section

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6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 TREASURY PORTFOLIO:

7. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Hon. P. Walsh, Minister representing the Treasurer, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Treasury

Dr C. I. Higgins Deputy Secretary (Economic)

Mr B . J . Gleeson Assistant Secretary Co-ordination and Management Branch

Mr F.G.H. Pooley First Assistant Secretary

Finance and Investment Division

Mr M. Callaghan Assistant Secretary

Finance and Investment Division

Dr J . Looker Chief Finance Officer

Finance Investment Division

Mr E. L. Waterman First Assistant Secretary

Capital Markets Division

Mr J . A. Ross Administrative Service Officer

Capital Markets Division

Mr G. J . Clark Administrative Service Officer

Structural Policy Division

Dr R. M. Simes Assistant Secretary

Economic Division

Mr P. A. Sutherland Administrative Service Officer Economic Division

Mr A. G . Henderson Assistant Secretary

Fiscal Policy division

Mr G . Smith Assistant Secretary

Taxation Policy Division

Mr J. Dulley Chief Executive Officer

Prices Surveillance Authority

Mr G. Conran Production Support Manager

Royal Australian Mint

Mr M. Raynor Marketing Manager

Royal Australian Mint

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Mr D. Holmesby

Mrs P . Bridge

Mr R. Eaton

Director Financial Administration Section Co-ordination and Management Division

Assistant Director Financial Administration Section Co-ordination and Management Branch

Assistant Director Financial Administration Section Co-ordination and Management Branch

Department of Finance

Mr E. Wojcik Acting Chief Finance Officer

Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

Mr G. Kennett Acting Senior Finance Officer

Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

Mr J. Templeman Finance Officer

General Expenditure Division

8. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.20 pm until 3.30 pm, Tuesday, 11 October 1988, when it resolved that officers of the Department of Employment, Education and Training would be recalled to answer questions on

student/staff statistics falling within sub-program 2.1, Higher Education System, of the portfolio's Explanatory Notes.

9· IN ATTENDANCE; Senators Crowley (Chairperson), Collins, Devlin, Messner and Teague. Senators P. Baume and Walters also attended.

Confirmed:

(Rosemary Crowley) Chairperson

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 11

TUESDAY, 11 OCTOBER 1988

MEETING: The Committee met at 4.25 pm in Senate Committee Room No. 14. The Chairperson, Senator Crowley, took the Chair.

PARTICULARS PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 EMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION AND TRAINING PORTFOLIO:

IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Hon. P. Walsh, representing the Minister for Employment, Education and Training, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Employment, Education and Training

Dr N. Johnston

Mr J . Mullarvey

Department of Finance

Mr E. Wojcik

Deputy Secretary

Acting First Assistant Secretary Tertiary Education Planning Division

Acting Chief Finance Officer Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

Chief Finance Officer General Expenditure Division

Mr R. Perry

PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 TREASURY PORTFOLIO:

IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Hon P. Walsh, representing the Treasurer, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Treasury

Dr C . I . Higgins Deputy Secretary (Economic)

Mr B. J . Gleeson Assistant Secretary

Co-ordination and Management Branch

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Mr M. Callaghan Assistant Secretary

Finance and Investment Division

Dr J . Looker Chief Finance Officer

Finance and Investment Division

Mr J . F . Livermore Assistant Secretary

Finance and Investment Division

Mr E. L. Waterman First Assistant Secretary

Capital Markets Division

Mr J. A. Ross Administrative Service Officer

Capital Markets Division

Mr G. J. Clark Administrative Service Officer

Structural Policy Division

Dr R. M. Simes Assistant Secretary

Economic Division

Mr P. A. Sutherland Administrative Service Officer Economic Division

Mr A. G. Henderson Assistant Secretary

Fiscal Policy Division

Mr G. Smith Assistant Secretary

Taxation Policy Division

Mr J. Dulley Chief Executive Offier

Prices Surveillance Authority

Mr G. Conran Production Support Manager

Royal Australian Mint

Mr M . Raynor Marketing Manager

Royal Australian Mint

Mr D. Holmesby Director

Financial Administration Section Co-ordination and Management Branch

Mrs P . Bridge Assistant Director

Financial Administration Section Co-ordination and Management Branch

Mr R. Eaton Assistant Director

Financial Administration Section Co-ordination and Management Branch

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Insurance and Superannuation Commission

Mr R. Beetham Commissioner

Mr R. Dean Deputy Commissioner (Superannuation)

Mr R. Glading Deputy Commissioner (Life Insurance)

Mr G. Burns Director

Corporate Service

Ms D . Hart Director

Financial and Personnel Management

Mr N. Stuparich Assistant Commissioner

(Superannuation)

Mr M. O'Neill Assistant Commissioner

(Superannuation)

Mr D. Gruber Assistant Commissioner

(General Insurance)

Mr J. Maroney Australian Government Actuary

Australian Bureau of Statistics

Mr W. McLennan Acting Australian Statistician

Mr R. W. Edwards

Division

First Assistant Statistician Co-ordination and Management

Mr C. J. Dent Assistant Statistician

Resource Management Branch

Mr I. King Acting Assistant Statistician

Manufacturing and Distribution Branch

Mr P. J . McCarthy Acting First Assistant Statistician

Economic Accounts Division

Mr T. Skinner First Assistant Statistician

Demography, Labour and Social Division

Mr D. Trewin First Assistant Statistician

Statistical and User Services Division

Mr J. V. Crocker Assistant Statistician

Operations and Softward Branch

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Ms M. C. Jones Director

Resource Management and Systems Section

Mr J. Nicholson Acting Senior Inspector

Finance Management Subsection

Department of Finance

Mr E. Wojcik Acting Chief Finance Officer

Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

Mr G. Kennett Acting Senior Finance Officer

Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

Mr J. Templeman Finance Officer

General Expenditure Division

6. DELIBERATIVE SESSION: On the motion of Senator Teague, at 8.33 pm the Committee met in deliberative session. Senators Crowley (Chairperson), Devlin, McGauran, Messner and Teague were present. Senators Newman, Walters and Walsh also attended. The Committee discussed in deliberative session the matter of whether the Minister should withdraw a comment objected to by

Senators Walters and Teague. The Minister undertook to make a statement for the record which may be found on page C87 of the Hansard. The Minister's statement was acceptable to the

Committee.

7. PUBLIC HEARING RECONVENED; The Committee reconvened at 8.38 pm to continue the examination of the estimates of the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

8· RESOLUTION; On the motion of Senator Messner, the Committee resolved: That the consideration of the Estimates of the Australian Bureau of Statistics be adjourned until the

Australian Statistician (Mr. Castles) is able to appear.

9. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.26 pm.

10· IN ATTENDANCE; Senators Crowley (Chairperson), Collins, Devlin, McGauran, Messner and Teague. Senators P. Baume, Newman, Short, Walters and Watson.

Confirmed:

(Rosemary Crowley) Chairperson

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 12

Tuesday, 18 October 1988

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 3.52 pm in Senate Committee Room No. 14. The Chairperson, Senator Crowley, took the chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 TREASURY PORTFOLIO; The Chairperson stated that at the previous hearing, a motion was moved that the Committee should defer consideration of the Estimates of the ABS until the

Australian Statistician could appear. She reported that she had received a letter from the Minister informing the

Committee that the Australian Statistician would not be able to attend. The letter was read into the transcript of

proceedings (pages C110 - 111) by the Minister.

The Chairperson also stated that the Committee had agreed to proceed with the estimates of the ABS. She thanked

members of the Committee for their cooperation in the

matter.

3. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable P. Walsh,

representing the Treasurer, accompanied by the following officers:

Australian Bureau of Statistics

Mr W. McLennan

Mr R. W. Edwards

Mr C. J. Dent

Mr I King

Acting Australian Statistician

First Assistant Statistician

Co-ordination and Management Division

Assistant Statistician Resource Management Branch

Acting Assistant Statistician Manufacturing and Distribution Branch

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Mr F. Von Reibnitz First Assistant Statistician Economic Accounts Division

Mr T. Skinner First Assistant Statistician,

Labour and Social Division Demography

Mr D. Trewin First Assistant Statistician

Statistical and User Services Division

Mr B. M. Fitzpatrick Assistant Statistician Technical Services Branch

Ms M. C. Jones Director

Resource Management and Systems Section

Mr J . Nicholson Inspector

Finance Management Subsection

Industries Assistance Commission

Dr Max Parker Head of Office of the I AC

Mr John Day Acting Assistant Commissioner

Corporate Services Branch

Mr John Moore Finance Officer

Finance and Services Section

Australian Taxation Office

Mr T. Boucher Commissioner

Mr V. Mitchell First Assistant Commissioner Corporate Service Groups

Mr R. Highfield Senior Assistant Commissioner Audit Strategic Planning, Audit Group

Ms J. Hurditch Acting Assistant Commissioner Tax File Number Project

Mr R. Catanzariti Acting Assistant Commissioner Higher Education Contribution Scheme

Mr L . Appleton Project Manager

Business Tax Review

Mr J. Donaldson Senior Assistant Commissioner Child Support

Mr G . Seymour First Assistant Commissioner

Systems Group

Mr C. Mobbs Executive Officer

Corporate Budgeting Section

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Ms D. Kirovski Corporate Budgeting Officer Corporate Budgeting Section

Department of Finance

Mr E . Wojcik Acting Chief Finance Officer

4. ADJOUKNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.59 pm.

5. IN ATTENDANCE: Senators Crowley (Chairperson), Collins, Devlin, McGauran, Messner and Teague. Senators M. Baume, Harradine, Walters and Watson were also in attendance.

Confirmed:

(Rosemary Crowley) Chairperson

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 13

TUESDAY, 1 NOVEMBER 1988

1. MEETING; The Committee met in deliberative session at 3.49 pm in the Government Advisers' Waiting Room. The

Chairperson, Senator Crowley, took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES: The Committee considered the minutes of meetings held on Monday, 10 October 1988, Tuesday, 11 October 1988 and Tuesday, 18 October 1988, and proposed changes to the minutes of meetings held on 11

October and 18 October.

3. DRAFT REPORT: The Committee agreed to the following

amendments:

(a) by Senator Teague to add words after the first

complete paragraph on page 6;

(b) by Senator Crowley to delete and substitute words in the first complete paragraph on page 10;

(c) by Senator Teague to delete and substitute words in the final paragraph on page 10; and

(d) by Senator McGauran to add words at the end of the

final paragraph on page 10.

Three additional amendments proposed by Senator Teague were discussed. The Secretary was asked to draft possible amendments based on these proposals for consideration at the next meeting of the Committee.

4 · CONDUCT OF HEARINGS: Senator Teague indicated, for the record, his displeasure about the conduct of the Chair during the hearings. Senator Collins indicated, for the record, his displeasure about the conduct of Senator Walters during the hearing when evidence was being taken from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

5· ADJOURNMENT; The Committee adjourned at 4:42 pm till 9:15 am on Wednesday, 2 November 1988.

6 · IN ATTENDANCE: Senators Crowley (Chairperson), Collins, Devlin, McGauran and Teague.

Confirmed:

(Rosemary Crowley)

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 14

WEDNESDAY, 2 NOVEMBER 1988

1. MEETING; The Committee met in deliberative session at 9.50 am in Senate Committee Room 13. The Chairperson, Senator Crowley, took the chair.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES; On the motion of Senator Crowley, the minutes of meetings No. 9 to 13 were confirmed.

3. REPORT OF COMMITTEE; The Committee considered the Chairperson's draft report, as amended. On the motion of Senator Collins, it was agreed that the draft report as amended be adopted.

4. RESERVATION: Senator Teague observed that he and his colleagues would be making reservations to the Committee's report and that these would be given to the Committee Secretary during the morning. He said that the reservation would be confidential till tabled.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.00 am.

6. IN ATTENDANCE; Senators Crowley (Chairperson), Collins, Devlin, McGauran and Teague.

Confirmed:

(Rosemary Crowley) Chairperson

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR HANSARD OF HEARINGS

Monday, 10 October 1988

Tuesday, 11 October 1988

Tuesday, 18 October 1988

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SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR HANSARD OF HEARINGS

Monday, 10 October 1988

Page/s

Chairman's Opening Statement 1-2

DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE

Subprogram 6.2 - Support Resources 2

Equal employment opportunities 2

RSI 2

Program 7 - Australian Audit 3

Auditing items of $250,000 3

DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION AND TRAINING

Chairman's Opening Statement 3-4

Staffing increase in higher education program 4-5

Staffing level of Commonwealth Schools Commission 5

Abolition of establishment grants 5-6

Capital grants to non-government schools 6

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State education spending and Commonwealth priorities 6-7

Control of money to states under Commonwealth agreements 7

Accountability for Commonwealth grant moneys 7

- number of schools penalised under new arrangements 7

Department's option paper on school funding 7-8

Subprogram 1.1 - Participation, Retention and General Competences 8

Investigative projects 8-9

Role of Curriculum Development Centre 9

Research activities 9

Department's annual report 9-10

Completion rates for year 12 students in respect to rural and Tasmanian schools 10

- studies being carried out 10-11

- Tasmanian retention rates 11

Subprogram 1.2 - Assistance for Disadvantaged Schools and Students 11

Allocation of resources between the States and NT in the disadvantaged school program 11

- impact of traditional Aborigines on any future methodology 11

- current resource allocation formula 11-12

ESL programs 12

Video loan program 12

Subprogram 1.3 - Languages and Multicultural Studies 12

National language program 12-13

Analysis of nationwide situation in Asian studies 13

- Asian Studies Council 13

Government resources promoting study of Asian languages 13-14

Asian Studies Council 14

Grants to ethnic schools 14

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Subprogram 1.5 - Overseas Students 14

Failure of students to return home 14-15

Overseas student charge 15

Student quota 15

Failure to pay overseas student charge 15

Subsidised students 15-16

Subprogram 2.1 - Higher Education System 16

Higher education contribution scheme 16-17/19

Postgraduate awards 17/19

Postgraduate courses for full fee recovery 17-18

Student/staff statistics 19

Federation of College Academics 20

Incentives for private universities 20

Austudy awards for private universities 20

Research assistance for academics at private universities 20

Bond University 20

Proposed Catholic University in WA 20

Commonwealth responsibilities to private universities 20

National unified system of tertiary institutions 20-21

Amalgamation of institutions 21

Newcastle/Armidale/North Terrace Campuses in Adelaide 21

Population figures for amalgamation 21

Australian Maritime College/University of Tasmania/Tasmanian Institute of Technology 21-22

New South Wales Conservatory of Music 22

ANU/Canberra College of Advanced Education/School of Music/College of Arts 22

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Profiles of institutions 22-23

Centralised control 23

Research funding arrangements 23-25

Asian studies initiatives 25

Subprogram 2.2 - Targeted Research and Scientific Development 25

National Board of Employment, Education and Training 25

- Secretariat 25

- location in Canberra 25-26

Australian Research Council 26

Subprogram 2.3 - International Students 26

Commonwealth scholarship and fellowship plan 26

Program 3 - Skills Formation

Subprogram 3.1 - Technical and Further Education 27

TAFE research centre, Adelaide 27

- the Council 27

Participation and Equity Program 27

Subprogram 3.2 - Trade Training System 27

Women in trades 27-28

- 'Tradeswomen on the Move' 28

Subprogram 3.4 - Industry Training Support 28

Provision for traineeships 28

Contemporary Music Development Company 28

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Program 4 - Special Employment, Education and Income Support

Subprogram 4.1 - Employment and Training Assistance 29

Jobstart 29

Subprogram 4.2 - Community-based Assistance 29

Skillshare 29-30

Community volunteer program 30-31

Subprogram 4.2 - Education Income Support 31

Austudy assets test 31-33

Austudy fraud 34

Isolated children's scheme 34-35

Retention of rural children at school 35-35

Boarding costs 36

Asset test and isolated children's allowance 36-37

Aboriginal/Torres Strait Islanders receipt of Abstudy allowances 37-38

Aboriginal post graduate degree holders 38-39

Aboriginality 39

Random checks of Abstudy recipients 39

Turnaround time for Abstudy applications 39-40

Computer system for Absec and Abstudy 40

Auditor-General's report 40

Subprogram 4.4 - Aboriginal Employment

Claim poor performance of Aboriginal small business funding due to DEBT 40

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Effectiveness of expenditure on Aboriginal employment 40-41

Aboriginal unemployment 41

DAA and the explanatory notes 41-42

DAA and DEBT 42

Program 5 - Labour Market Operations

Subprogram 5.1 - Placement Services 42

Function of the 'public employment agency' 42

Objective of job search training program 42

Subprogram 5.3 - Industry Labour Adjustment Assistance 42

Technology centre in Whyalla 42-43

Program 6 - Corporate Services and Portfolio Advertising

Subprogram 6.1 - Executive and Corporate Co-ordination 4 3

Department's corporate plan 43

Transfer of Aboriginal education programs from DEBT 43

NBEET and ATSIC interactions 43

National Aboriginal Educational Committee and ATSIC interact 43-44

Field service to implement Aboriginal programs 44

Subprogram 6.3 - Labour Market and Educational Analysis 44

Statistics on employment indicators 44

Subprogram 6.4 - Portfolio Advertising 44

National Aboriginal Education Committee 44

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Subprogram 6.2 - Management Services 44

RSI 44-45

Subprogram 6.4 - Portfolio Advertising 45

Polling of youths 45

ANOP report 45

Youth Bureau 45-46

Youth strategy 46-47

A Minister for Youth Affairs 47

Youth Bureau and international organisations 47

International trips by members of the Youth Bureau 47

Subprogram 6.6 - General Services 47

Staff housing 47-48

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

Chairman's Opening Statements 48-49

Program 1 - Economic Policy

Subprogram 1.2 - Structural (including Prices Surveillance Authority) 49

Grants to AFCO and Australian Pensioners Federation 49

Success of Price Watch activities 49-50

National Prices Network 50-51

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Page/s

Performance indicators for Prices Surveillance Authority 51-52

Telephone calls and rentals 53

- Telecom 53

Fruit and Vegetables 53/54

'Price News' 53

Investigations and education 53

Role of Price Watch Committee 54

Role of the Price Surveillance Authority 54

Petroleum Products Pricing Authority 54

Unnecessary price rises 54-55

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR HANSARD OF HEARINGS

Tuesday, 11 October 1988

Page/s

Chairman's Opening Statement 57

DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION AND TRAINING

(Consideration resumed from 10 October)

Subprogram 2.1 - Higher Education System 57

Data collection in respect to staff and students in higher education institutions 57/58

Citizenship and residential status 58

Tertiary entrance score 58

Information for the Australian Taxation Office 58-59

Tax file number 59

Security of data 59-60

Affirmative Action Agency 60-61

- confidentiality of data supplied by institutions 61

Access to date by the Minister 61

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DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

(Consideration resumed from 10 October)

Page/s

ABS tabling statement 64

Program 1 - Economic Policy

Subprogram 1.1 - Macroeconomic 64

Department's review of its monetary policy position 64-65

Review of balance of payment projections 65

- Joint Economic Forecasting Group 65

Balance of payment forecast for 1988-89 65-66

Budget estimates 66/67

Inflation forecasts 66-67

Wheat Board forecasts 67

Economic events in the United States 67

Australian living standards 68-69

Subprogram 1.2 - Structural 69

Grants to AFCO and Australian Pensioners Federation for representation on the Price Watch Network 69

Grants to trade unions 70

Subprogram 1.3 - Debt Management 7 0

Payment of government debts, international and domestic 70-72

Subprogram 1.4 - Taxation Policy 72

Raid on Citicorp Bank 72

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Program 2 - Financial System

Mint 72

- collector coins 72-73

$2 coin 73/74-75

$5 coin 73

$10 plastic note 73

Counterfeiting of notes 73-74

Higher denomination notes 74

Contracting work by mint 74

$1 and $2 notes 74

Subprogram 2.3 - New Budget Statutory Bodies 74

Reserve Bank profits 74

- foreign exchange effect 74

Subprogram 3.1 - Payments Relating to General Purpose Revenue Assistance 76

Grants to local governments 76

- payments to Hobart and Darwin 76

Subprogram 3.2 - Payments Relating to Capital Assistance 77

Water treatment in South Australia 77

Difficulties of staff loss in Treasury 77

Program 2 - Financial System

Subprogram 2.1 - Financial Sector Policy and Administration 77

Insurance and Superannuation Commission 77

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Reporting of superannuation funds 77-79

Problems with the recruitment of staff within the superannuation group 79-80

Australian Bureau of Statistics 80

Tabling statement's Statement About the 1988-89 Household Expenditure Survey* 80-81

Program 5 - Australian Bureau of Statistics 82

Subprogram 5.1 - Statistical Operations 82

Prosecutions for not completing the survey 82-83

Attempts to undermine the household survey 83-85

Legality of survey 86/89-93/96-97/102

'Hired gun' debate 86-87

Previous ABS surveys 88

Ombudsman's letter 89/98

Changes to the household survey since 1974-5 94-95

Questions in the 1988/89 household survey 94-95

Voluntary vs compulsory aspects of the household survey 95-97

Tabling of statistical collections 98

Minute of Mr Giles 98-100

Tabling statement for household survey 100-103

Letter from Attorney General's Department 103

News releases of 27 June and 12 August 1988 103

Correspondence with Professor Whalan and the Clerk of the Senate 104-105

Ombudsman's view 105-106

Mr Castles' attendance before the Committee 106-107

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SE N A TE CO M M ITTEE C

TA B LE O F CON TEN TS FO R H A N SA R D O F H EA R IN G S

T u esd ay , 18 O c to b e r, 1988

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

(Consideration resumed from 11 October)

AUSTRALIAN BUREAU OF STATISTICS (CONTINUED)

Chairman's Opening Statement 110

Letter from Mr Peter Morris, Minister Assisting the Treasurer 110-111

Subprogram 5.1 - Statistical Operations 111

Pilot survey May/June 1987 into time use 111

Tabling of the document 111

Letter of 30 September regarding National Household Expenditure Survey 112/113

Issue of retrospective tabling 112

Questions in survey 113

Attorney-General's Department 113

Distribution of income and wealth in Australia 113-114

Government influence 114

Question 181 in Household Expenditure Survey 114-115

Letter to Acting Statistician from the Commissioner of Taxation in October 1974 115 Consultation regarding types of questions to go in

surveys 115-116

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Role of Advisory Council 116

Legality of Household Expenditure Survey 116

Correspondence between Mr Castles and the Clerk of the Senate 116-117

Tabling document 117

Letter from Mr Castles to parliamentarians, 13 July 1988 118-119

Legal opinions 119

1974 and 1984 surveys 119

Advice from the Attorney-General's Department 119-120/125-126/ 127/129-130/132

Correspondence with the Attorney-General 120-Content of ABS surveys -122/127/129 122

Question of what is a policy area 123

Content of surveys 123

Format in which information has been sought 124

Housing loan authorisation form 124-125

Correspondence between Mr Cameron and the Ombudsman 128/132/ 133-134

Issue of confidentiality 128

Opinions by anonymous QC/Mr O'Connor/Mr O'Keeffe 130

Request for documents from Attorney-General's Department 130-131

Draft letter to Ombudsman, 13 September 1988 131-132

Press statements from Federal MPs 133

Ombudsman 133/136

Cost of the Household Expenditure Survey 134

Cost of advertising 134

Number of people approached in the ACT 134

Why HES and 44 proposals tabled as deemed papers 135-136

Purpose of the Household Expenditure Survey 136-137

The household survey and the Taxation Office 137

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Correspondence between the Clerk of the Senate and Mr Castles 137-138/139

Communication between Mr O'Keeffe and Mr Skinner 138-139

INDUSTRIES ASSISTANCE COMMISSION

Program 7 - Industries Assistance Commission

Subprogram 7.1 - Public Inquiry and Related Functions 139

Productivity in the I AC 139

Corporate plan for the IAC 139/140

Restructuring of the IAC 139-140

Retrenchment of staff 140

Recruitment of staff 140-141

AUSTRALIAN TAXATION OFFICE

Program 6 - Taxation Administration

OECD convention on tax

Statement from the Treasurer

Exchange of tax information between countries

Citicorp 'raid' by Taxation Office

- media release

Allen, Allen and Hemsley case

Overseas tax havens - keeping tax records offshore

Tax field audit

Corporate plan

141/142

141-142

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142-143/144/149/ 150/152/153/154

144-146

143/149/152

144 146

146-147

147

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Training of field auditors 147

Quality of audits 147

Outline of how an audit is carried out 148

The return from audits 148-149

Comments by the Law Council of Australia 149

Australian Small Business Association offices raid 149-150

Relations with the accountancy profession 150

Number of field and corporate auditors 150-151

Salary differences paid to staff and in private industry 151

The issue of privilege 152

Skills required by auditors 152-153

Investigations under section 263 and 264 153

Political relationship with Treasurer 154

Matching of income and tax paid - computer expenditure and use - tax file number

154-161 155/157 155/156

Amount of income not declared 156

Taxation Office's relations with accountants 161

Delays between proposals and actual tax legislation 161-162

Fringe benefits remote area housing proposal in 1985 162

Telephone system NEC 240-4MG at Parramatta 162-163

Concept of taxation rulings - groups consulted

163 164

Research for assessing public understanding of tax changes 165

Section 260 and part IVA 165

Questions on notice from Senator Messner 165-166

Life education centres 166-167

Superannuation tax legislation 167-168

Tax file number 168/169-170

- the situation in the US and Canada 168/170

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British national tracing system 168-169

Computerised index 169

Income from use of the tax file number 170

The protection of tax officers in respect to child support legislation 170-171

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Estimates Committee D presents its Report to the Senate

1. On 1 September 1988 the Senate referred to the Committee for examination and report the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1989, the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of

the Year ending 30 June 1989 and the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Year ended 30 June 1988 relating to the following Departments:

Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories Defence Veterans' Affairs

2. The Committee has considered the Estimates for the year ended 30 June 1989 and the Advance to the Minister for Finance, together with the Departmental Explanatory Notes and has received evidence from the Minister for Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories (Senators the Hon. Graham Richardson), the Minister for Local Government

(Senator the Hon. Margaret Reynolds) and officers of the Departments and authorities concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropriation Bill (No.1) 1988-89 and Appropriation Bill (No.2) 1988-89. Further written

explanations furnished by Departments will be presented separately.

3. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following matters which arose during consideration of the Estimates:

DEPARTMENTAL GROUPINGS

The Committee wishes to express concern at the way in which departments were allocated to Committees during these hearings. This Committee was allocated departments which had no relevance to each other and led the Minister for Arts,

Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories, Senator the Hon. Graham Richardson to comment at Hansard page D372 on 26 October 1988:

"Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories does not have a lot in common with Defence, apart from the fact that there is unexploded ordnance off John Brewer Reef. I am not

sure what other relevance the two have. It is a

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problem. Obviously it will be easier for you and for us if committees deal with functions which are more directly related. That is something I will take up in any event. It is something that has been shown up with this Committee."

The Committee agrees with the sentiments of this comment and urges those who are responsible for allocating departments to re-arrange departments into relevant groupings. The Committee believes, that as the Senate now has nine Ministers, the need to organise departmental groupings to fit Ministerial representation is an outdated concept and a more appropriate allocation should be adopted.

The Committee also points out the difficulties of the present grouping which led to the Committee having an interchangeable membership to deal with the various departments. The Committee found this to be an unsatisfactory arrangement.

SCHEDULING OF HEARINGS

The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the problems of the limited time made available to consider departments of the size of Defence and Arts, Sport, the

Environment, Tourism and Territories. The Committee believes that a more flexible system of scheduling should be devised. The Committee suggests that this is a matter which the Standing Committee on Procedure could investigate and again draws the Senate's attention to the following comment made by

this Committee in October 1985:

"The Committee believes that consideration should be given to reviewing the scheduling of Estimates Committees to allow maximum time for Public Hearings unfettered by the restraints imposed by operating subject to sitting period of the Senate."

DEPARTMENT OF ARTS, SPORT, THE ENVIRONMENT, TOURISM AND TERRITORIES AUSTRALIAN FILM COMMISSION

The Committee noted with concern that the Chairman of the Australian Film Commission had strong reservations about allowing its Chief Executive Officer to represent the Commission at the hearings on 11 October 1988 and had further expressed those in public comments outside the Estimates Committee hearings. While acknowledging that the Chief

Executive Officer had only held that position for a short period of time the Committee firmly believes and has asserted in the past that the Senate Estimates Committees should have the advice of those persons who are in charge of the management of Statutory Authorities. The Committee reminds

such Authorities that the Senate Standing Orders provide a mechanism by which Officers can be requested to attend hearings should they not respond to requests made by the Committee in the ordinary way.

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DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE

DEFENCE REPORT 1987-88

The Committee recognises the Department of Defence's achievement in having its annual report available prior to the hearings and welcomed the speedy response to the first days guestions which were taken on notice. This is an

improvement on past performance. A number of guestions are still outstanding as at the date of this Report and the Committee trusts they will also be responded to speedily.

PILOT RETENTION BONUS

The Committee expresses its concern regarding the manner of implementation of the pilots retention bonus due to the lack of consultation and lack of studies undertaken prior the expenditure of funds.

PROGRAM BUDGETING AND PERFORMANCE INDICATORS

The Committee, during its hearings of the Defence Department, had a number of problems with the use of program budgeting as the model of presenting and monitoring the Defence estimates. The Committee would question whether this is the most appropriate model for the presentation of these estimates. The failure to provide performance indicators in any section of the Defence Estimates allowed no judgement to be made of

this Department's performance.

4. The Committee expresses its appreciation of the assistance given by the Ministers and the officers of the departments concerned.

John Black (Chairman)

2 November 1988

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A U S T R A L IA N S E N A T E CANBERRA. A.C.T.

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE 'D'

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 1

30 SEPTEMBER 1988

1. PRIVATE MEETING: The Committee met in Private Session at 1.00 pm in Senate Committee Room No. 18. The Secretary called the meeting to order.

2. CHANGE IN MEMBERSHIP AND DEPARTMENTAL GROUPINGS: The Secretary reported Resolutions of the Senate of 1 September 1988 and 29 September 1988 concerning changes in

Departmental groups and changes in the membership of the Committee.

3. CHAIRMAN: The Secretary called for nominations. On the motion of Senator Puplick, Senator Black was elected Chairman and took the Chair.

4. CONSIDERATION OF ESTIMATES: The Committee discussed the forthcoming Estimates and agreed to consider Departments in the following Order:

Veterans' Affairs Defence Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.05 pm

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Black, Coates, Cooney, Hill and Puplick.

Confirmed:

John Black (Chairman)

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE 'D'

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 2

10 OCTOBER, 1988

1. PUBLIC MEETING: The Committee met in Public Session at 10.30 am in Senate Committee Room No. 10. The Chairman (Senator Black) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE - DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN'S AFFAIRS. In attendance was Senator the Honorable Margaret Reynolds, Minister for Local Government, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Veterans' Affairs -Mr A. Kerr, Deputy Secretary

Mr P. Watson, National Program Director, Benefits, and Acting First Assistant Secretary, Benefits

Mr F. Woodhouse, Chairman, Veterans' Review Board

Mr J. Gallagher, Principal Member Veterans' Review Board

Mr A. Ashford, Acting National Program Director, Health

Mr R. Somes, First Assistant Secretary, Health Services Planning

Mr M. Goldstein, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Treatment Services

Mr K. Fredricks, Assistant Secretary, Hospital Information Systems

Dr. D. Smith, Assistant Medical Superintendent, Repatriation General Hospital, Concord

Mr R. Marshall, Director, Vietnam Veterans' Counselling Service

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Mr A. Clarke, National Program Director, War Graves and Director, Office of Australian War Graves

Mr E. Attridge, National Program Director, Corporate Services and First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services

Mr P. Hawker, First Assistant Secretary, Systems

Mr J . O'Connor, Deputy Commissioner, Tasmania

Ms F. Barr, Assistant Secretary, Staff Development and Organisation

Ms S. Keogh, Acting Assistant Secretary, Staff Budgeting

Mr C. Harding, Acting Assistant Secretary, Resources

Ms C. Moore, Director, Secretariat

Ms J . Bradley, Director, Equal Employment Opportunity

Mr E . David, National Program Director, Housing Assistance and Acting General Manager Defence Service Homes

Mr K. Pearson, Director, Australian War Memorial

Mr J . Pearson, Assistant Secretary, Administration Branch, Australian War Memorial

Department of Finance -Ms K. Flanagan, Chief Finance Officer, Social Welfare Branch

Mr C. Sheedy, Finance Officer Social Welfare Branch

The Chairman called on the following Programs of Proposed Expenditure for consideration by the Committee:

Program 1 — Benefits Program 2 — Health Program 3 — War Graves Program 4 — Corporate Services

Program 5 — Housing Assistance Program 6 — Australian War Memorial

Together the expenditure in these Programs comprised the following:

Divisions 219-222 (Document A) Divisions 839-842 (Document B)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the Department of Veterans' Affairs, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

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3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ESTIMATES - DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE. Having completed its examination of the Department of Veterans' Affairs, the Committee began its examination of proposed expenditures, 1988-89 for the Department of Defence. In attendance was Senator the Honorable Graham Richardson, Minister for Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Defence -Mr R. B. Finnegan, Acting Deputy Secretary A

Mr R. W. Cottrill, Acting Deputy Secretary B

Vice-Admiral I. W. Knox, Vice Chief of the Defence Force

Commodore A. M. Hunt, Acting Deputy Chief of Naval Staff

Major-General g. J. Fitzgerald, Deputy Chief of the General Staff

Air Vice-Marshal R. W. Bradford, Deputy Chief of the Air Staff

Mr L. B . Woodward, Head of Defence Logistics Organisation

Dr Μ. K. McIntosh, Chief of Capital Procurement

Mr K. A. Harris, Chief of Defence Production

Rear Admirable B. L. West, Assistant Chief of Materiel - Navy

Major-General D . M. Francis, Assistant Chief of Materiel - Army

Air Vice-Marshal B . H. Collings, Assistant Chief of Materiel - Air Force

Mr R. H. Englund, Assistant Secretary Manpower Policy and Strategies

Brigadier D. L. H. Buring, Director-General, Defence Force Pay and Conditions

Mr D. Powell, First Assistant Secretary, Facilities and Property

Mr Μ. H . Ives, First Assistant Secretary, Resources and Financial Programs

Dr R. G. Brabin-Smith, First Assistant Secretary, Force Development and Analysis

Mr H. A. D'Assumpcao, Chief Defence Scientist Dr A. Hawke, First Assistant Secretary, Science Corporate Management

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Mr P. G. Terrill, First Assistant Secretary, Project Development and Communications

Mr S. J . Merchant, Senior Assistant Secretary, International Policy

Dr D. Hawke, Assistant Secretary, Financial Programs

Mr G. J. Hansen, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning - Navy

Mr M. F. Taylor, Acting Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning - Army

Mr K. Moore, Acting Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning - Air Force

Mr R. C. Lane, Assistant Secretary, Resources - Capital Procurement

Mr J . E . McMahon, First Assistant Secretary, Budgets and Support

Mr R. Templar, General Manager, Operations, Defence Housing Authority

Mr K. Moran, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning - Central

Department of Finance -Mr S. McLeod, Senior Finance Officer

The Chairman called on the following Programs of Proposed Expenditure for consideration by the Committee:

Program 1 Current Defence Forces -Together the expenditure in these programs comprised part of the following:

Divisions 230, 245, 249 (Document A)

4. The Committee adjourned at 10.31 pm.

5. Attendance: Senator Black, Senator Coates, Senator Cooney, Senator Hill, Senator Newman and Senator McGibbon. Senator Vallentine also attended.

Confirmed:

Senator John Black Chairman

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CANBERRA. A.C.T.

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE 'D'

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 3

11 OCTOBER, 1988

1. PUBLIC MEETING: The Committee met in Public Session at 4.45 p.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 10. The Chairman (Senator John Black) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE: DEPARTMENT OF THE ARTS, SPORT, THE ENVIRONMENT, TOURISM AND TERRITORIES. In attendance was Senator the Honorable Graham Richardson, Minister for the Arts, Sports, the Environment, Tourism and

Territories, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Arts, Sport the Environment, Tourism and Territories -

Mr A. S. Blunn, Secretary

Mr J. Ferguson, First Assistant Secretary, Sport and Tourism Division

Mr K. Fairbrother, Assistant Secretary, Tourism Branch

Ms J. Harrison, Assistant Secretary, Sports Branch

Mr G. Dempster, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Management and Territories Division

Mr C. Cole, Director, Christmas Island Section

Mr R. Moncur, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Antarctic Division

Ms C. Santamaria, First Assistant Secretary, Arts, Film and Cultural Heritage Division

Mr L. Neilson, Assistant Secretary, Film Branch

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Ms K. Dal-Bon, Assistant Secretary, Cultural Heritage Branch

Ms M. Hopkins, Director, Arts Support Section

Mr R. Deane, Director, Arts Museums and Commemorations Section

Mr N. Quinn, First Assistant Secretary, Conservation Division

Dr P. Bridgewater, First Assistant Secretary, Natural Heritage and Environment Protection Division

Dr A. Turner, Assistant Secretary, Rainforest Unit

Australian Institute of Sport/Australian Sports Commission:

Mr R. Harvey, Deputy Chairman

Mr R. Hobson, Director, Corporate Services

Mr P. Crosswhite, Acting General Manager

Mr J. Barker, Manager, Finance

Australian Tourist Commission:

Mr T . Thirwell, Director, Marketing Operations

Mr P. Collins, Director, Corporate Services

Australia Council:

Mr M. Bourke, General Manager

Mr L. Daly, Director, Financial and Information Services

Mr T. Warry, Director, Corporate and Administration

Australian Film Commission:

Mr D. Roland, Chief Executive

Mr B. Gittings, General Manager, Corporate Services

Australian Film, Television and Radio School:

Ms A. Deveson, Director

Mr T. Baxter, Head, Management Services

Australian National Gallery:

Mr J. Mollison, Director

Mr G. Andrews, Administrator

Mr A. Kelly, Financial Manager

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Australian National Maritime Museum:

Mr S. Sergi, Director

Ms D. Taylor, Manager, Resources

National Film and Sound Archive:

Mr G. Gilmour, Director

National Library of Australia:

Mr W. Horton, Director-General

Mr A. Cahill, Acting Assistant Director-General

National Museum of Australia:

Dr D. McMichael, Director

Mr B . Palmer, Assistant Director, Resource Management

National Science and Technology Centre:

Dr M. Gore, Director

Mr G. Bullivant, Manager, Business Operations

Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service:

Professor D. Ovington, Director

Mr M. Hill, Deputy Director

Mr J . Crennan, Principal Executive Officer

Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority:

Mr D. Kinsey, Executive Officer

Mr P. Otteson, Assistant Executive Officer

Australian Heritage Commission:

Mr C. Griffiths, Director

Office of the Supervising Scientist for the Alligator Rivers Region:

Mr R. Fry, Supervising Scientist

Mr J. Whitehead, First Assistant Secretary, Policy and Administration

Mr J . Short, Director, Corporate Services

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Department of Finance -Mr J. Anderson, Chief Finance Officer, Culture and

Environment Section, Culture and Aboriginals Branch, Education and Employment Division

Mr T. Momson, Acting Chief Finance Officer, Australian Capital Territory and Northern Territory Section, Services and Australian Capital Territory Branch, Defence and Government Division

The Chairman called on the following Programs of Proposed Expenditure for consideration of the Committees

Program 6 Program 2 Program 1 Program 3

Program 4

Sub program 5.5

Film and Television Tourism Sport and Recreation Antarctic

Territories (except 4-7 ACT National Functions) Australia Council

Together the expenditure in these programs comprised parts of the following:

Divisions 135-154 (Document A) Divisions 811-814 (Document B)

The Committee suspended its hearing of the Department of Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories.

3. The Committee adjourned at 11.38pm.

4. Attendance: Senator John Black, Senator John Coates, Senator Barney Cooney, Senator Robert Hill, Senator Chris Puplick and Senator Margaret Reid. Senator Zakharov also attended.

Confirmed:

Senator John Black Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE 'D'

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 4

18 OCTOBER, 1988

1. PUBLIC MEETING: The Committee met in Public Session at 4.07 pm in Senate Committee Room No. 10. The Chairman (Senator John Black) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE, 1988-89 - DEPARTMENT OF ARTS, SPORT, THE ENVIRONMENT, TOURISM AND TERRITORIES. In attendance was Senator the Honourable Graham Richardson, Minister for Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Arts, Sport the Environment, Tourism and Territories -Mr A. S. Blunn, Secretary

Ms C. Sanatamaria, First Assistant Secretary, Arts, Film and Cultural Heritage Division

Ms K. Dal-Bon, Assistant Secretary, Cultural Heritage Branch

Ms M. Hopkins, Director, Arts Support Section

Mr R. Deane, Director, Arts Museums and Commemorations Section

Mr N. Quinn, First Assistant Secretary, Conservation Division

Mr P. Bridgewater, First Assistant Secretary, Natural Heritage and Environment Protection Division

Dr A. Turner, First Assistant Secretary, Rainforest Unit

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Mr G . Dempster, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Management and Territories Division

Artbank:

Mr G. Sturgeon, Director

Australian National Gallery:

Mr J . Mo H i son, Director

Mr G . Andrews, Administrator

Mr A. Kelly, Financial Manager

Australian National Maritime Museum

Mr G. Fry, Acting Director

Ms D. Taylor, Manager, Resources

National Film and Sound Archive

Mr G. Gilmour, Director

National Library of Australia:

Mr W. Horton, Director-General

Mr A. Cahill, Acting Assistant Director-General

National Museum of Australia:

Dr D. McMichael, Director

Mr B. Palmer, Assistant Director, Resource Management

National Science and Technology Centre:

Dr M. Gore, Director

Mr G. Bullivant, Manager, Business Operations

Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service:

Professor D. Ovington, Director

Mr M. Hill, Deputy Director

Mr J . Crennan, Principal Executive Officer

Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority:

Mr G. Kelleher, Chairman

Mr P. Otteson, Assistant Executive Officer

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Australian Heritage Commission

Mr C. Griffiths, Director

Office of the Supervising Scientist for the Alligator Rivers Region:

Mr R . Fry, Supervising Scientist

Dr G. Riley, Direcotr, Research Institute

Mr J. Short, Director, Corporate Services

Australian Capital Territory Treasury:

Ms J . Johnman, Assistant Secretary, Budget Management

Ms H. Quiggin, Director, Budget Control

Mr N. Morgan, Assistant Secretary, Financial and Economic Policy

Australian Capital Territory Community and Health Service:

Mr J . Bissett, General Manager

Ms L. Webb, Chief Executive, Community Services

Mr I. Todd, Assistant General Manager, Community and Health Development

Australian Capital Territory Schools Authority:

Mr E. Willmot, Chief Education Officer

Dr A. Butterfield, Director, Resources

Mr T. Butters, Executive Officer, Budgeting and Resources

Office of City Management, Australian Capital Territory Adminstration:

Mr J. Turner, City Manager

Mr B. Dockrill, Director, Transport and Works

Mr V. Smorhun, Acting General Manager ACTION

Mr B. Kerr, Fire Commissioner

Ms M. Cotterill-Boyd, Assistant Australian Capital Territory Commissioner for Housing

Mr G. Fraser, Director, Parks and Conservation

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National Capital Development Commission:

Mr A. Phillips, Secretary and Manager

Dr C. Adrian, Assistant Secretary, Urban Economics

Mr G. Mosely, Acting Chief Planner

Australian Capital Territory Electricity and Water:

Mr P. McGrath, Chief Executive

Policy Planning and Corporate Management, Australian Capital Territory Administration:

Mr J . Peck, Division Head

Department of Finance -Mr J. Anderson, Chief Finance Officer, Culture and

Environment Section, Culture and Aboriginals Branch, Education and Employment Division

The Chairman called on the following Programs of Proposed Expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 5 Program 7 Program 8 Program 9

Program 10

Arts (except 5.5) Cultural Heritage and Information Conservation Natural Heritage and Environment Protection Corporate Services

Together these expenditures comprised parts of the following:

Divisions 135-154 (Document A) Divisions 811-814 (Document B)

The Committee suspended the hearing of the Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories.

3. The Committee adjourned at 11.19 pm.

4. Attendance: Senator John Black, Senator John Coates, Senator Barney Cooney, Senator Robert Hill, Senator Chris Puplick and Senator Margaret Reid. Senators Sanders and Boswell also attended.

Confirmed:

Senator John Black Chairman

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CANBERRA. A.C.T.

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE 'D'

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 5

26 OCTOBER, 1988

1. PUBLIC MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 8.33 a.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 10. The Chairman (Senator John Black) took the chair.

2. The Committee resumed consideration from 18 October of Department of Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE - DEPARTMENT OF THE ARTS, SPORT, THE ENVIRONMENT, TOURISM AND TERRITORIES. In attendance was Senator the Honourable Graham Richardson, Minister for Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and

Territories -Mr A. S. Blunn, Secretary

Mr B. Harris, Associate Secretary

A.C.T. Treasury:

Ms J. Johnman, Assistant Secretary,

Budget Management

Ms H. Quiggin, Director, Budget Control Mr N. Morgan, Assistant Secretary, Financial and

Economic Policy

A.C.T. Community and Health Service:

Mr J. Bissett, General Manager

Ms L. Webb, Chief Executive, Community Services

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Mr I. Todd, Assistant General Manager,

Community and Health Development A.C.T. Schools Authority:

Mr E. Willmot, Chief Education Officer

Dr A. Butterfield, Director, Resources

Mr T. Butters, Executive Officer, Budgeting and

Resources

Office of City Management:

Mr J . Turner, City Manager

Mr B. Dockrill, Director, Transport and Works Mr G. Gaskill, General Manager, ACTION

Mr K. Tate, Deputy Fire Commissioner

Mr T . Waters, Assistant A.C.T. Commissioner for

Housing

Mr G. Fraser, Director, Parks and Conservation

Mr J . Flutter, General Manager, Asbestos Task Force Mr P. Burnett, Acting Assistant Secretary, Legislation

and Legal Policy Ms C. Keens, Acting Assisting Secretary, Legal Services

Office of Industry and Development:

Mr K. Lyon, Deputy Secretary Mr J. Woodrow, Advisor, Industrial Relations

Mr J. Townsend, first Assistant Secretary, Development

Mr P. Guild, Assistant Secretary, Business Leases Mr P. Kearns, Assistant Secretary, Employment

Education and Training Mr B . Mitchell, Director, Canberra Tourism Development

bureau

Mr S. Dawkins, Canberra Theatre Trust

Institute of Technical and Further Education:

Mr N. Fisher, Director Mr D. Pearson, Associate Director, Corporate Support

Canberra College of Advanced Education:

Mr B. Mitchell, Assistant Principal, Finances and

Resources

Institute of the Arts:

Mr R. Arthur, Secretary

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Department of Finance -Mr D. Gniel, Chief Finance Officer, Defence and

Government Division

Consideration resumed on the following Programs:

Program 4 (Sub-program 4.7) A.C.T. National Functions Program 11 A.C.T. Administration

Together the expenditure in these Programs was covered by the following:

Divisions 146,154 (Document A) Divisions 811-814 (Document B)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the Department of Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

4. The Committee resumed its consideration from October 10 of the Department of Defence.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE - DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE. In attendance was Senator the Honourable Graham Richardson (Minister for the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories), accompanied by the following officers:

Senator Richardson, Minister for the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories

Department of Defence -

Mr R. N. McLeod, Deputy Secretary A

Mr R. W. Cottrill, Acting Deputy Secretary B

Vice Admiral I. W. Knox, Vice Chief of the Defence Force

Commodore A. M. Hunt, Acting Deputy Chief of Naval Staff

Major-General G. J. Fitzgerald, Deputy Chief of the

General Staff

Air Vice-Marshal R. W. Bradford, Deputy Chief of the Air

Staff

Mr L. B . Woodward, Head of Defence Logistics

Organisation

Dr Μ. K. McIntosh, Chief of Capital Procurement

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Mr R. B . Finnegan, First Assistant Secretary, Human Resources Mr K. A. Harris, Chief of Defence Production Rear Admiral B. L. West, Assistant Chief of Materiel -

Navy

Brigadier G. T. Salmon, Acting Assistant Chief of

Materiel - Army

Air Vice-Marshal B. H. Collings, Assistant Chief of

Materiel - Air Force

Mr R. H. Englund, Assistant Secretary Manpower Policy and Strategies

Brigadier D. L. H. Buring, Director-General, Defence Force Pay and Conditions Mr D. Powell, First Assistant Secretary, Facilities and

Property

Mr Μ. H. Ives, First Assistant Secretary, Resources and

Financial Programs

Mr K. Moran, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning -

Central Major-General B. W. Howard, Director-General, Natural

Disasters Organisation Mr R. Templar, General Manager, Operations Defence

Housing Authority Mr M. Welch, Assistant Secretary, Equipment Disposals Dr R. G. Brabin-Smith, First Assistant Secretary, Force

Development and Analysis

Dr 0. J. Raymond, First Assistant Secretary, Science

Policy Dr A. Hawke, First· Assistant Secretary, Science

Corporate Management Commodore A. H. R. Brecht, Acting First Assistant

Secretary, Project Development and Communications

Mr P. K. Sharp, Acting Assistant Secretary,

International Policy Mr D. Hawke, Assistant Secretary, Financial Programs

Mr G. J. Hansen, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning

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Mr M. F. Taylor, Acting Assistant Secretary, Resources

Planning - Army

Mr K. Moore, Acting Assistant Secretary, Resources

Planning - Air Force

Mr R. C. Lane, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning -

Capital Procurement

Mr J. E. McMahon, First Assistant Secretary - Budgets

and Support

Mr W. Kirby-Jones, General Manager, Defence Housing

Authority

Department of Finance -

Mr D. Gniel, Chief Finance Officer, Defence and

Government Division

Mr A. T. Pearson, Chief Finance Officer, Defence and Government Division

Mr G. V. Brady, Chief Finance Officer, Defence and

Government Division

Mr G. C . Van Dijk, Senior Finance Officer, Defence and

Government Division

Consideration resumed on the following Programs s

Program 1

Program 2

Program 3

Program 4

Program 5

Current Defence forces

Defence Development

Defence Force Retirement and Death Benefits

Defence Support

Defence Corporate Services

Together these expenditures comprise the following:

Divisions 230, 234, 240-245, 248-249 (Document A)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed

Expenditure for the Department of Defence, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional

information to the Committee.

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6. The Committee adjourned at 10.15 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCES Senators Black (Chairman). Senator Coates,

Senator Cooney, Senator Reid, Senator McGibbon and Newman.

Confirmed

John Black (Chairman)

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO THE SENATE

NOVEMBER 1988

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee E has the honour to present its Report to

the Senate.

INTRODUCTION

On 29 September 1988 the Senate referred to the Committee

Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the service of the year

ending 30 June 1989 (being Appropriation Bill [No. 1] 1988/89),

Particulars of certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the

year ending on 30 June 189 (being Appropriation Bill [No. 2]

1988/89 ) and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for

Finance for the year ending on 30 June 1988 for the following

Departments:

. Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs

. Administrative Services

. Attorney-General's

. Aboriginal Affairs

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The Committee has considered the particulars of proposed

expenditure and actual expenditure for each of the above

Departments, making use of the Departmental Explanatory Notes.

The Committee has also received explanations from the Minister

for Home Affairs, Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic

Affairs (Senator the Honourable Robert Ray), the Minister for

Local Government, Senator the Honourable Margaret Reynolds, the

Minister for Justice (Senator the Honourable Michael Tate) and

officers from the Departments and authorities concerned.

Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the

evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information

of the Senate in connection with its consideration of

Appropriation Bills (Nos 1 and 2) 1988/89 and the Expenditure

under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year

ending 30 June 1988.

Written answers to questions taken on notice will also be

tabled in the Senate in a volume entitled 'Additional

Information - Written Answers to Questions Taken On Notice -

Estimates Committee E'. Additional papers tabled in the

Committee by Ministers will be either included in full, or,

where they are already public documents, by reference, in the

Committee's additional information volume referred to above.

This volume also contains some written answers to questions

arising from the Committee's Estimates hearings in April 1988

but not answered in time for publication at that time.

The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to several

matters arising from its consideration of the Estimates. A

much larger number of issues was raised by the Committee during

the course of its hearings which were held over six days. For

the information of Senators a Hansard index to all of these

issues is attached as an appendix to this Report.

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GENERAL COMMENT

Program Management and Budgeting

The development of Departmental Explanantory Notes as the basis

of Estimates Committees' detailed examination of expenditure

and future estimates remains a matter of concern to the

Committee.

The Committee observes that it has had a number of difficulties

with the Explanatory Notes presented this year, with the

exception of notes from the Department of Immigration, Local

Government and Ethnic Affairs.

The Committee found that in a number of areas of

administration, performance indicators provided were so vaguely

worded as to be of limited practical value. The Committee

observes also that a number of programs do not lend themselves

to acceptable or meaningful performance indicators. Examples

of such difficulty occur in the Attorney-General's Department

where agencies such as Courts may not be able to give

indications of performance which offer more than raw figures

of, say, matters resolved before the courts.

Annual Reports

The Committee reiterates its concern that annual reports are

frequently unavailable to it at the time of its hearings. The

Committee received three draft annual reports very shortly

before its examination of the estimates, and some not at all.

Where draft annual reports were received, they came too close

to the time of the examination of the estimates to be of any

practical value.

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Current guidelines issued to Departments and agencies by the

Department of Finance specify that draft annual reports should

be made available to Estimates Committees before their

hearings.

The Committee notes that it did not receive draft annual

reports from the following:

. Department of Administrative Services

. Aboriginal Development Commission

. Department of Immigration, Local Government and

Ethnic Affairs

Draft annual reports were made available by the

Attorney-General's Department, the Department of Aboriginal

Affairs and the Parliament House Construction Authority shortly

before the Committee examined the estimates for those agencies.

Acknowledgements

The Committee expresses its appreciation of the assistance

given by the Minister for Immigration, Local Government and

Ethnic Affairs (Senator the Honourable Robert Ray), the

Minister for Local Government (Senator the Honourable Margaret

Reynolds) and the Minister for Justice (Senator the Honourable

Michael Tate) and the officers of the various Departments and

authorities who appeared before it.

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1. DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION, LOCAL GOVERNMENT

AND ETHNIC AFFAIRS

Departmental Explanatory Notes

1.1 The Committee was pleased by the form of the Explanatory

Notes under the format produced by the Department. Program and

sub-program explanations and performance indicators were clear,

logical and internally consistent. The program structure notes

at the beginning of the explanatory notes were helpful and the

Committee found the development of performance indicators for

the Department, the discussion of those performance indicators

and the aim of future development of the programs of

assistance.

Sub-program 1.3 - Review

1.2 In the course of its examination, the Committee questioned

Departmental officers regarding the $240 fee payable on

application for review of cases by Immigration Review Panels

(IRPs) .

1.3 IRPs were established in 1982 by Ministerial decision to

assist the Minister by making recommendations as to the

reconsideration of certain decisions. The legal basis for this

arrangement is derived from a Ministerial power under the

Migration Act 1958 to make original decisions. In the Budget

session of 1987, the Migration Amendment Bill 1987 was

introduced into the Parliament proposing amendment of the

Migration Act so as to allow for, inter alia, the charging of

the $240 fee for applications to the IRPs. The Bill also

provided for consideration of 'prescribed decisions' under the

Act by prescribed persons and the charging of fees for

applications for re-consideration. The amendments were to

operate retrospectively so as to allow for the collection of

the $240 fee from 16 September 1987.

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1.4 On 9 December the Migration Bill was passed by the Senate,

subject to the deletion of clause 9(a) of the Bill. Clause 9(a)

was the provision relating to the reconsideration of prescribed

decisions and the charging of the $240 fee in relation thereto.

Notwithstanding the deletion of the clause from the Bill, and

the subsequent enactment of the Bill, the Department has

continued to levy a fee of $240 on every application to the

IRPs .

2. DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES

Program 18 - Parliament House Construction Authority

2.1 Expenditure by the Parliament House Construction Authority

(PHCA) has been of continuing interest to all Senators. In the

course of examination of estimates for the PHCA for the coming

year, a number of problems which have arisen in the building

since occupancy by the Parliament were raised. The matters

considered by the Committee are recorded in the Senate

Estimates Hansard for 20 October 1988 on pages E144 to E171.

2.2 Of particular interest are answers to questions regarding

allocation and distribution of the artworks acquired by the

PHCA for display in Parliament House. In answer to questions

from Senator Peter Baume, Mr Fowler of the PHCA told the

Committee that 2850 items are recorded on the list of

acquisitions by the PHCA. Of those, 1461 works have been

allocated to suites occupied by office-holders of the

Parliament. The PHCA has undertaken to provide the Committee

with details of the number of artworks supplied to each office­

holder. (Hansard p. E147)

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2.3 Mr Fowler also told the Committee that 'non-painting' works

of art from the artworks collection were allocated exclusively

to office-holders. These works include small glass items which

could be endangered in the restricted confines of Senators' and

Members' offices. (Hansard p . E148)

2.4 The Committee queries the manner in which the decision to

allocate artworks in Parliament House was made. Following

questions by Senator Peter Baume, the Chairman of the Committee

raised this matter with Mr Fowler of the PHCA:

CHAIRMAN-I am still unsure-as you probably are-as to who made the decision. If you feel uncomfortable trying to remember what happened, you might put the answer to the two questions about who made the decisions on notice and give

us a reply. The first question is who made the decision about reducing the acquisition, I suppose, or who made the decision to average out 26 for the Ministers and two or three for the others, and the second one is the question of

the display cabinets and the non-availability of some of the artefacts for Senators and Members.

Mr Fowler-I think I can answer those. The decision-if I can take them in reverse order-on the display cabinets was made by the Authority with the agreement of the Joint Standing Committee as part of the budget cuts which occurred in

1986. On the decision on the allocation of the works of art, the Authority took the collection to each of the office holders in turn, who selected, and the number that was selected—

CHAIRMAN-You took the collection but no slides?

Mr Fowler-There was a range of ways in which Ministers and office holders selected their works of art. Some went out to the art store which we have. Some, such as the Speaker and the present Prime Minister, saw the works displayed in

their suites. Others would have seen the collection of slides which is now available to Senators and Members.

CHAIRMAN-That was the technique that applied to ordinary Senators and Members who went and looked at slides and tried to make some decision about' what would be appropriate for their office, whereas you say that a significant number of office holders had the collection brought to their

suites so that they could actually get some idea of how those works of art would fit into the decor of their offices.

Mr Fowler-That is correct (Hansard pp. E148-149)

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3. ATTORNEY-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT

Program Management and Budgeting

3.1 The Committee has drawn attention in the introduction to

the Report to concerns over the form and content of

departmental Explanatory Notes. The Committee found the

Explanatory Notes from the Department difficult to follow and

particularly so when compared with those of the Department's

'outrider' organisations.

3.2 By way of example, the Committee found that the Explanatory

Notes for the Institute of Family Studies (Sub-program 2.6)

were clear and helpful, as they covered the past and expected

performance of that body. The Explanatory Notes of the Trade

Practices Commission were also to be commended.

Sub-program 2.4 - Business and Consumer Affairs

3.3 In its November 1987 and April 1988 reports, the Committee

has expressed concern at difficulties facing the National

Companies and Securities Commission (NCSC). The Committee drew

attention to the fact that because of high staff turnover, the

NCSC was unable to undertake certain areas of surveillance

within its statutory responsibilities. The Executive Director

of the NCSC told the Committee that the resources position of

the NCSC had deteriorated. Mr Schoer noted that:

Since the crash, there have been many more problems in the corporate sector and more risks are being taken by some of the entrepreneurs, which has meant that the Commission has had to be engaged in much more investigation. During that period there has actually been a drop in numbers. We have dropped from 82 to 79; that is our new staff ceiling.

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3.4 Mr Schoer also indicated that there continued to be a high

turnover rate of skilled and experienced personnel in the

organisation. The importance of this resources problem is

heightened because of the certain delay in the introduction of

the new corporations body proposed by the corporations

legislation package. In the move towards an era of deregulation

of commercial activity, funding problems will be further

exacerbated.

Sub-program 6.6 - Special Investigations Unit

3.5 In its April 1988 Report, the Committee discussed

information given to it regarding the Special Investigations

Unit. As the Committee observed in that report:

The SIU is involved in collecting and analysing information from archival sources, primarily located in Europe and the United States, on war crimes committed during World War II. Relevant information it collects will be prepared as a brief for examination by the Director of Public Prosecutions, who can then decide to initiate prosecution of persons under appropriate Australian war crimes

legislation.

The Committee was told that the scope of the work of the SIU has grown because of a dramatic response in the number of people resident in Australia whose cases are being examined by the SIU. In this regard the Committee was told the number has grown from 70 to some 500 cases.

3.6 During examination of the estimates for the coming year,

the Department told the Committee that there are now 414

matters (that is, inquiries relating to 414 persons) under

active consideration by the Director of the Special

Investigations Unit. The Committee was also told that the

figure of 414 matters under investigation was a net figure. One

hundred and ten cases have been removed from the SIU

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investigations due to the persons having died, never having

entered Australia or because investigations revealed no reason

to pursue inquiries. No estimate of the time required to

complete examinations of the 414 cases could be provided, (see

Hansard p. E253)

3.7 The Committee was also advised that lists of persons who

may be subject to investigation have been provided to the

Special Investigations Unit by a number of foreign Governments,

including the Dutch and USSR Governments. The Committee would

be concerned if the time for the conclusion of the SIU's

investigations were to be indeterminate, given the sensitivity

of the investigations. The Committee recommends that the

Special Investigator provide the Senate with an estimated date

for the conclusion of his investigations.

4. DEPARTMENT OF ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS

Program Budgeting and Management

4.1 In its explanatory notes, the Department stated:

The funding by the Aboriginal Affairs portfolio of community based organisations to deliver programs adds a further dimension to performance measurement and accountability which is not experienced by other portfolios which deliver services to individuals at a counter.

Each community based organisation is accountable in two ways. First, it is accountable to the community its services for the funds it receives from Government on behalf of that community. Second, it is accountable to Government for its use of public funds.

As a condition of funding Aboriginal organisations are required to set realistic objectives and to report on their performance against those objectives. Future funding is dependent on satisfactory performance.

Each organisation must also account in a formal manner for the use of funds provided consistent with the requirements of the Audit Act. Continuing funding is also subject to satisfying these requirements.

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A number of performance indicators have been developed under the various sub-programs to reflect the nature of information which will enable judgement to be made on performance. However it will take some time and experience to develop, in consultation with Aboriginal organisations,

indicators in each area which experience shows to be the most appropriate. The current indicators should therefore be regarded as interim in nature. (pp. 10-11)

4.2 Before the Committee conducted its examination of the

Department's estimates, a document entitled 'Aboriginal

Advancement Programs: Performance Overviews 1987/88' was

provided by the Department.

4.3 This document gave a detailed account of the administration

of a limited number of sub-programs within the Department's

responsibility. The document did not describe programs, or

number those programs, as they were numbered in the

Department's Explanatory Notes. Accordingly the Committee's

task of matching the performance overviews against individual

programs and sub-programs was often difficult. In a number of

cases the information provided by the overview also gave no

indication as to whether the performance bore specific relation

to the objectives of programs as set out in the Department's

Explanatory Notes.

4.4 The Committee again draws attention to problems the

Department has experienced in developing performance indicators

for its various programs since the introduction of program

budgeting.

4.5 The Committee asked the Acting First Assistant Secretary

(Corporate Services), Mr Miller, on the general approach by the

Department on this area. Mr Miller told the Committee that

the Department experienced continuing difficulty with

performance indicators, as do other departments and agencies in

the area of social welfare administration. The Committee is

not in a position to confirm the nature of any difficulty

experienced by other Departments or agencies in the social

welfare area.

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4.6 It required approximately 18 months to collate information

from various State Directors of Aboriginal Affairs and prepare

it for submission to the Committee. Mr Miller also advised the

Committee:

We have said here consistently that we have difficulty with performance indicators, and we do not hide from that. We have performance indicators in place. We have placed them on the table here in corporate planing documents so they are public. But I say again we are having difficulty collecting uniform statistical information from all of our

1,200 grant recipients, and that is what you need to do to present data here. We are still working on trying to do that and we hope that next time around we will have uniform statistical data. Nonetheless, we were hoping that this time we were able to start that process of providing to the Senate statistical data through some of the tables we have been able to produce and show in our explanatory notes.

(Hansard pp. E278-9)

4.7 Following further questioning by Senator Tambling, it

appeared to the Committee that evaluation of programs

administered by the Department is carried out by Departmental

staff working with the clients of the Department. This

process, the Committee was told, can often only be achieved

with considerable assistance from the central office of the

Department or, on occasions, from consultants.

Departmental Administration

4.8 During the Committee's examination, a letter dated 6

November 1987, from the National President of the

Administrative and Clerical Officers' Association, Ms Ann

Forward, to the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs was tabled by

Senator Short. The Association's letter made detailed

complaints and allegations concerning recruiting and staffing

practices and the abuse of allowances and other departmental

resources. This letter is attached to the Report as Appendix A.

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4.9 Following questioning of the Secretary to the Department,

the Committee became particularly concerned at the matters

raised by the Association's letter. As a result of the

Committee's questioning, the Minister's reply to the

Association's letter was tabled. This letter is attached to

the Report as Appendix B . The reply indicates that the

Minister had invited the Association to hold discussions on its

concerns. The Minister at the table, Senator Tate, indicated

that such discussions had taken place. The Committee

recommends that the issues raised by the Association be

seriously addressed forthwith and that a report be prepared

before the next Estimates hearings.

4.10 Questions were also raised regarding possible excessive

claims for travel allowance by the Secretary to the Department,

Departmental officers and other persons during the current

year. The Committee notes that travel expenses incurred by the

Secretary, Departmental officers and other persons has been the

subject of questions on notice to the Department. These

matters will be examined at the next Estimates hearings. The

Committee however accepts that there is a need for the

Secretary of this Department to travel widely and consult with

Aboriginal people in both urban and remote areas of Australia.

Public Awareness and the Establishment of ATSIC

4.11 A sum of $10 million, as a special provision, has been set

aside for funding activities involving the proposed Aboriginal

and Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC). The Committee

questioned Departmental officers regarding the allocation of

these funds. It was advised that there were several major

matters to be dealt with in the course of development of an

organisation of the size proposed. Officers also noted that

legislation establishing the proposed Commission is currently

before the Parliament.

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4.12 The Minister at the table, Senator Tate, observed that he

believed that the sum set aside was a prudent indication of

what sum might be required by way of expenditure should the

Parliament pass the legislation, and also noted that, in the

normal course of events, estimates are developed on the basis

that the Department will continue in existence during the

financial year and any alteration to those circumstances will

involve some transfer of appropriated funds to any new body.

4.13 The Committee recommends that the most appropriate action

to be taken by Government would be to identify any savings and

to return those savings to consolidated revenue, should

expenditure associated with the establishment of ATSIC not be

required due to delays in passage of the legislation, or should

legislation establishing ATSIC not be passed by the Parliament.

Sub-program 3.1 - Health

4.14 The Committee was concerned to ascertain the progress made

by the Department on Aboriginal health issues. During the

Committee's hearings, officers gave the Committee an account of

the progress achieved in this area. Officers indicated that

the Department will provide the Committee with a full brief on

the issues and progress made in the program. The Committee

believes that this will assist in overcoming some of the

problems related to program performance measures referred to

earlier in the Report.

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ABORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION

Explanatory Notes

4.15 The Chairperson of the ADC wrote to the Chairman of the

Committee on 11 October 1988 and indicated that the Explanatory

Notes tabled by the Commission were not 'official' and that a

revised set of Explanatory Notes would be provided to the

Committee at an early date. A copy of the letter to the

Committee Chairman is reproduced in Appendix C to this Report.

4.16 On receipt of this advice the Committee immediately wrote

to the Minister representing the Minister for Aboriginal

Affairs in the Senate and asked that he arrange for the

Secretary of the Department of Aboriginal Affairs, Mr Charles

Perkins, the present Chairperson of the ADC, Mrs Shirley

McPherson, and the then General Manager of the ADC, Mr Mick

O'Brien, to be in attendance at the Committee's examination of

the estimates for the Department and the ADC.

4.17 On 21 October 1988, Senator Tate, the Minister

representing the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, tabled a

statement to the Committee entitled 'Qualification of ADC

Explanatory Notes'. A copy of that statement is attached in

Appendix D. Further, the Committee's deliberations were

complicated by matters which had been raised in the Senate as

matters of privilege and matters raised before the Select

Committee on the Administration of Aboriginal Affairs.

4.18 The Committee is extremely concerned and dissatisfied at

this course of events. It was clearly not possible for the

Committee to rely on the Explanatory Notes tabled in the

Parliament in accordance with the Department of Finance

guidelines, following receipt of the letter of 11 October to

the Chairman.

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4.19 It is not possible for the Parliament or any of its

Committees to conduct a proper examination of estimates of a

Department or agency without accurate Explanatory Notes being

provided in accordance with the accepted budget timetable and

not subject to later amendment, qualification or alteration.

Administration of the ADC

4.20 During the course of the Committee's examination of

estimates for the ADC, a number of serious questions arose

concerning the recent administration of the Commission.

Included in this category were the following:

. Payments in excess of $900,000, to a club known as

the Woden Town Club by way of grants and loans; and

rent foregone. This is likely to be a minimum

figure, as other direct and indirect financial

assistance was made available. The Committee was

advised that the Woden Town Club is a club for

Aboriginal people and their friends and is located in

a building in Canberra owned by the ADC.

• Payments exceeding $900,000 for the Oasis' Hotel in

Walgett N.S.W. This is likely to be a minimum

figure, as other direct and indirect financial

assistance was made available. The hotel had been

managed by a local Aboriginal business corporation,

and has been recently transferred to another local

Aboriginal business corporation free of consideration

and without apparent effort to recover money already

paid by the ADC.

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Payment of a sum of $835,000 in respect of Nardoola,

a grazing property at Moree in northern N.S.W. The

property has been subsequently transferred to the

Moree Local Aboriginal Land Council free of

consideration.

4.21 The Committee records that members of the Board of the

ADC, except the Chairperson and Deputy Chairperson, were

dismissed by the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs in May 1988,

and were replaced by new appointees.

4.22 The resulting change of administration of the ADC appears

to have been associated with considerable difficulties and has

led to changes to several of the ADC's programs.

4.23 The Committee believes that the matters raised by its

examination are of concern. The difficulties suggested by

evidence given to the Committee must be answered by the ADC or

by any new body to be established under the Bill currently

before Parliament.

4.24 The Committee is also concerned at the nature of staff

changes at the management level of the ADC and recommends that

continuity and stability in staffing be a primary management

objective of the ADC in future.

Other Matters

4.25 During the course of the Committee's hearings, serious

questions regarding conflicts of interest involving

Commissioners of the ADC were raised. These questions related

to decisions made by the ADC to approve payments of grant and

loan monies to persons and organisations associated with or

related to Commissioners.

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4.26 Guidelines governing loans or grants to people associated

with statutory office holders must be clear, and must be

directed to avoiding decisions which raise unnecessary, though

genuine, public concerns.

4.27 In this regard, the Committee draws attention to the

advice it has received from the ADC Chairman that

Commissioners appointed on 11 May 1988 have not provided

the reguired declarations of pecuniary interests to date.

4.28 The Committee notes this fact with concern and recommends

that the new Commissioners provide the reguired declarations

immediately.

GENERAL

The Committee has given the Department and the ADC further

guestions on notice. The Committee is concerned that it is

reguired to submit a report to the Senate without having

received answers to important outstanding guestions.

(Terry Aulich)

Chairman

November 1988

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Minister for Aboriginal Affairs Parliament House, Canberra Dear Mr. Hand,

I am wnting to you to express ACOA’s concern about aspects of the administration of your Depart­ ment. This concern derives from formal resolutions of meetings as well as from individual representa­

tions from members. When these are considered in the light of correspondence and meetings between ACOA and Departmental management, their seri­ ousness is compounded.

The threshold issue of consultation with ACOA has, I think, been resolved with the Secretary's un­ dertaking to be responsible for such consultation at the National level. (It is inappropriate for the Sec­

retary to consult local workplace representatives on other than purely local matters.) I have no current complaint about the adequacy of consultation.

There are, however, fundamental issues which I believe require Ministerial attention. This need is emphasised by the projected over-run on the salaries vote this year, by the new APS structure and asso­ ciated changes described in the 2nd Tier Wages agreement, and by the impending establishment of

an Australian Aboriginal Commission.

The issue from which most others derive, as I see it, is that of recruitment and staffing practices. 1 have no hesitation in asserting that people have been recruited to the staff of the Department by a

number of processes not provided for even in the special provisions established to facilitate entry of Aboriginal personnel. Further, my understanding is

that some people so recruited have no unique posi­ tion number, and some have no ASL cover.

It is clear from my unsuccessful attempts to quan­ tify this problem that: (a) malpractices are not regularly disclosed by other officers of the Department either be­

cause they themselves may be compromised or througji fear of reprisals, or because they do not wish to appear to be, or be identified as, racist, or as betrayers of the Aboriginal

cause. .

(b) the existence of such malpractices is widely, if not universally, acknowledged within the Department. (c) these practices have led to an alarming loss

of moral which is claimed by some officers to lead to conspicuous inefficiency. (d) some people recruited by unconventional means are not competent to perform the du­

ties they have allegedly been recruited to per­ form. Some do not even attend work on a regular basis. (c) many people recruited to clerical assistant or

base grade clerical jobs are given positions where they are acting in higher duties in the clerical administrative structure without com­ petitive assessment of their suitability and

without training to provide the requisite skills. It is claimed that some are even acting on a partial-performance basis whilst being paid for full performance. Along with most other officers acting on higher duties in the APS,

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these people will become substantive at the level at which they are acting when the 2nd Tier Wage agreement is ratified in the near future by the Arbitration Commission.

there is a widespread desire within the De­ partment to have the recruitment/promotion/ higher duties situation cleaned up and con­ ducted on a proper basis. The current situa­

tion brings the Department and its officers into disrepute with the communities it is sup­ posed to serve efficiently and effectively. The very many competent, hard working and ded­ icated officers, both Aboriginal and non-Abo-

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riginal, who care about the quality of service provided by the Department are having their efforts and their career opportunities under­ mined while these unconventional practices continue. The situation seems to me to require thorough internal but independent investigation before loyal­ ties are stretched too far and a wider more public investigation becomes necessary. Tensions have been raised a significant amount by the current require­ ment to find $ 1 -$ 1.5 million dollars to be saved on the salaries bill by 30 June 1988. In this climate, the conduct of Aboriginal-only staff meetings is most

unfortunate, and l trust you will put an end to this practice.

Also arising from the current discussion through­ out the Department on the salaries over-run ques­ tion, a number of cases of alleged misuse >f the travelling allowance and other financial provisions

have been reported to me. I am reluctant to 'pecify these as I am not aware that they are of the same widespread and general nature as the recruitment/ promotion/HDA situation, and hence the locations of my informants may be identifiable. There is gen­

uine concern about reprisal action being taken against complainants. However, in general terms, there is concern about the use of accommodation paid for

by the Department by people not entitled to it, the acquisition by the Department of one or more camper-trailers not available for general Departmen­

tal use, the provision of travelling expenses including TA to people not on necessary Departmental busi­ ness, payment for consultants who have not deliv­ ered an identifiable service, and other matters.

Whilst l do not argue that the Department ought not make payments of the kinds referred to. I most strongly do argue that such moneys should be sepa­ rately identified in the Department's financial esti­

mates and records and be processed in an open and proper manner. It is unacceptable to ask public servants to do their jobs in ways they know or believe to be wrong, and designed to mask the pur­

pose for which public moneys have been spent. The issue of patronage is raised by some aspects of the matters raised in this letter. Whilst 1 recognise this is a very difficult question for any and every

Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, I must insist that it cannot be resolved by removal from the political arena, to be placed on the shoulders and the consci­ ences of public servants. Some at least of those public servants have had enough. The practices of

DAA must be brought into line with the require­ ments of legislation, regulations and other govern­ ment directives and awards of the C&A Commission.

Where these are incompatible with the practical re­ quirements of administering this difficult and sensi­ tive portfolio, then special provision must be made

by Government to resolve the problem. This already happens in some areas, such as recruitment, in which instance even these special provisions are not ad­ hered to. The creation of an Australian Aboriginal

Commission presents an opportunity to make a fresh start in respect of the fundamental issue of account­ ability. It also presents an opportunity for issues involved in the current crisis to get right out of

hand, to the great detriment of the Aboriginal people. I look forward to an early opportunity to discuss this and related matters with you. Should you wish to be briefed on the special provisions which apply to the recruitment of Aborig­ inal and Torres Strait Island people to the Public Service, I strongly recommend that you seek such a

briefing from the Equal Employment Opportunity Unit in the Public Service Commission, the Director of which is Ms. Gail Radford. The unit is able to provide the most expert and authoritative advice available on this matter in the Public Service.

Please contact me if you wish to discuss any matter with me, whether raised in this letter or not. Yours sincerely, Ann Forward

National President

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1 December 1987 Dear Ms Forward I refer to your letter of 6 November, which makes a number of serious and disturbing allegations about

my Department. ! have discussed your letter with the Secretary of the Department. He rejects the allegations. He points out, however, that, where evidence of what you have alleged can be provided, the matters will be thor­

oughly investigated. Some of the allegations go to matters of staff recruitment. I am advised that the Department's recruitment and other staff administration follows the procedures laid down in the Public Service Act and regulations. It follows, therefore, that any sug­ gestion of patronage is out of order.

As for allegations of financial improprieties, I am told that my Department, along with all others, is regularly subject to audit, both internally and by the Auditor-General. The latter made this most recent

inspection in February this year and his findings make no reference to matters of the kind mentioned in your letter.

Here again, however, any concrete evidence you may have will be most carefully examined.

Yours sincerely Gerry Hand Ms A. Forward National President

Administrative and Clerical Officers* Association 3rd Floor 245 Castlereagh Street Sydney NSW 2000

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APPENDIX C

Minister for Justice Senator Tate

Minister for Aboriginal Affairs Mr Hand M.P.

Chairman Senate Estimates Committee Senator Aulich

EXPLANATORY NOTES 1988-89 : ABORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION

Commissioners of the Aboriginal Development Commission, at their current meeting in Adelaide, wish to inform you that the Aboriginal Development Commission Explanatory Notes available to the Senate Estimates Committee.

(1) Have no official status

(2) Have not been seen or approved by the Board of Com missloners.

(3) Commissioners intend to lodge an official set of Explanatory notes at the earliest possible time.

Mrs S. McPherson Chairman

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APPENDIX D

QUALIFICATION OF ADC EXPLANATORY NOTES

The Commissioners of the ADC, having had the opportunity to examine the Explanatory Notes as previously submitted, wish to provide the following additional advice for the information of the Senate Estimates Committee.

The submission of this information by way of a memorandum to the Committee is necessary because in the time available it would not be possible to redraft the Explanatory Notes

previously submitted.

The points that the Commissioners’ wish to bring to your attention are as follows:

(1) the Commissioners do not necessarily agree with criticism of the Department of Employment, Education and Training mentioned in the Explanatory Notes (pages 12, 30, 100 refer);

(2) the Commissioners are satisfied that, taking into account the decisions taken at the last ADC

Commissioners' meeting, the level of funds provided to its economic development activities are in accord with and meet the expectation and intentions of Government in respect of its Aboriginal Economic

Development Policy and the new policy initiatives approved for 1988/89 to the Commission;

The resources being applied to economic development activities as outlined in the table that follows reflect changes that were approved by the Commission at its meeting on 10-14 October in Adelaide. At that meeting the Commissioners

approved the transfer of $4m from the Land Acquisition sub­ program of the Social Advancement Program to the Economic Independence Program. This decision reflects the

Commissioners' reconsideration of their previous decision to change priorities away from economic independence towards social advancement programs together with advice from Commission staff on the level of actual commitments and expected future commitments in the area of enterprise

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then current level of program assistance available would be insufficient.

The resources available for program assistance now being provided under the Commission's economic development activities will comprise:

. ongoing AEDP allocation

. new policy initiative funds provided in 1988/89

. resources from ADC "general" funds

Total assistance available for economic development activities

$16.9m

$ 3.5m

$ 7.0m

$27.4m

The allocation of these resources by sub-program

activities is as follows:

$M

Small Business Funding Scheme 6.7

Enterprise Development Scheme 10.0

Major Project Funding 6.0

Maintenance of properties 1.5

Management Advisory Services 3.0

Training Advisory Services 0.2

TOTAL 27.4

It should be noted that the funds provided from ADC's "general" funds are greater than that provided in 1987/88 by $ 0 . 2m.

(3) the Commissioners do not support the explanations offered on page 46 and 58 in relation to problems relating to Program 2;

(4) the Commissioners do not support the statement on point 6 page 77 describing Aboriginal enterprises.

(5) the Commissioners do not support the statement on page 48■ under the heading "Description"

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

RESERVATION BY SENATORS DURACK, SHORT AND TAMBLING

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

RESERVATION BY SENATORS DURACK, SHORT AND TAMBLING

Departmental Explanatory Notes

We refer to the performance indicators in 'Aboriginal

Advancement Programs: Performance Overviews 1987/88'. We are

dissatisfied with the quality of the performance indicators

provided, particularly as the Department indicated that so much

effort had gone into their preparation. There is an apparent

failure adequately to address targets. By comparison, the

indicators have been satisfactorily addressed in the ADC

Explanatory Notes. It is only by properly addressing the

program objectives that financial savings, effectiveness and

efficiency will be achieved.

Letter from ACOA to Minister Hand

In her letter to the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs of 6

November 1988, Ms A. Forward, National President of the

Administrative and Clerical Officers' Association, made

detailed allegations of major irregularities in the management

of the Department. Malpractices specifically alleged included

alarming loss of morale resulting in conspicious inefficiency;

persons recruited by unconventional means; persons not

competent to perform duties; persons not attending work on a

regular basis; and persons recruited to base grade clerical

jobs acting in higher duties without competitive assessment.

We believe that it is obvious from the answers given at the

hearing on this matter that the Minister did not undertake the

investigations that the gravity of the allegations

necessitated. He appears to have relied only on the advice of

his Departmental Secretary in the preparation of the

Ministerial response, and as a basis for later discussions with

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Ms Forward. The Minister's letter of 1 December 1987 to Ms

Forward also indicates he relied only on vague assurances from

the Secretary on the issues raised in Ms Forward's letter.

It is of great concern that the ACOA's allegations were not

thoroughly investigated. In this respect we consider the

Minister for Aboriginal Affairs to have been derelict in the

exercise of his Ministerial responsibilities.

ATSIC

The evidence taken by the Select Committee on the

Administration of Aboriginal Affairs and certain matters that

have been subject of debate in the Parliament must put in doubt

the proposed timetable for the establishment of ATSIC. The

proposed appropriations for both the Department and ADC make

allocations to a number of programs, which obviously also have

an impact on management areas of the Department. Given these

factors we expect the Department to notify substantial savings

across the portfolio in the additional estimates.

Aboriginal Development Commission

(a) Pecuniary interests and conflicts of interest

These matters have been the subject of comment in the main

report. In light of a number of dubious projects, the Minister

has accepted the need for a special audit and we recommend that

the issues of pecuniary interest and conflict of interest be in

particular referred to the Auditor-General for investigation.

Decisions related to expenditure and the relations between the

Commissioners and the directors or principals of various

enterprises involved must, in our view, be investigated. The

Secretary's personal advisers (in relation to the promotion of

ASTIC and advisory committees such as the DAA Sports

Committees) should also be included in the Auditor-General's

review.

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(b) Operations of the ADC Board since 11 May 1988

In our opinion the conduct of the Board since 11 May 1988 has

been highly questionable. This is reflected in the following:

. the controversial manner of removal of Mr M. O'Brien as

General Manager and the appointment of a Departmental

officer as Acting General Manager;

. the motion of no confidence in the ADC Chairman, Mrs

S. McPherson on 10 October 1988;

. the ad hoc manner of the reallocation of ADC budget

priorities on several occasions and the revision of

Senate Estimates Explanatory Notes; and

. absence of proper documentation for important issues

under consideration by the Board (e.g. the withdrawal of

the Oasis' Hotel and 'Nardoola' station from sale).

It our view, particularly in light of the controversial

circumstances surrounding the appointment of the new

Commissioners on 11 May, that the Minister should review the

performance of the new appointees.

Tranby College (Co-operative for Aborigines Ltd.)

We question the propriety of the ADC Board's decision to

allocate $500,000 for treaty negotiation and conferences to the College.

It was established in hearings that this initiative followed

the June 1988 Barunga Aboriginal festival. We particularly

note that the ADC Commissioners subsequently delegated

responsibility for this matter to Messrs Dodson, O'Shane and Yu.

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Subsequent arrangements for the conduct of the negotiations,

and financial expenditure through the agency of Tranby College,

have not been adequately addressed.

We recommend that all further expenditure on this project be

stopped until the matter is reviewed by the Government to

ensure consistency with current Government policy on an

Aboriginal treaty.

Mr Charles Perkins

It is obvious that Minister Hand has failed to exercise

direction, authority (and discipline) over the Secretary of his

Department, Mr Charles Perkins.

Mr Perkins' appointment to the ADC Board on 11 May clearly

established serious conflicts of interest.

At the Senate Estimates hearings Mr Perkins could not recall

much important information of which he should have been aware

as a Departmental Head. In this respect we found him to be an

unreliable witness. Mr Perkins' answers to questions with

regard to his leave, travel allowances and overseas trips

showed major discrepancies with subsequent Departmental

replies.

We are concerned at what we consider to be Mr Perkins' undue

reliance on a network of advisers not employed by the

Department, particularly the Sports Advisory Committee.

In the interests of efficient and effective administration of

Aboriginal Affairs, we believe that Mr Perkins should stand

aside from his responsibilities as Departmental Secretary and

ADC Commissioner until all issues raised by the Committee have

been resolved.

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1984/85 House of Representative Reports

We have noted references to the reports of the House of

Representative Standing Committee on Expenditure on the

Aboriginal Development Commission. (see Pari. Papers 78/1984

and 205/1985)

We are seriously concerned that a number of the recommendations

of those reports, have not been addressed by the Government and

we share similar concerns as those expressed in the dissent to

the Final Report, which is attached to this Reservation as

Appendix A.

Conclusion

We are of the opinion that the financial waste and

maladministration of the Aboriginal Affairs portfolio

necessitates the establishment of an official judicial inquiry

into the entire administration of Aboriginal affairs at the

Federal level.

Only a formally constituted judicial inquiry can obtain the

information and provide the necessary protection to enable the

full disclosure and analysis needed to clear the air in this area.

(PETER DURACK) (JIM SHORT) (GRANT TAMBLING)

Senator for Western Australia Senator for Victoria

Senator for the Northern Territory

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INQUIRY INTO THE ABORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION

DISSENT TO THE FINAL REPORT

1. Those of us making this dissenting report recommend that there should be a comprehensive judicial inquiry into the Aboriginal Development Commission.

2. This course of action was supported by us from the time that the Committee, in its interim report, indicated that further investigation would take place of information and allegations of a serious nature which had come to the Committee's attention during its inquiry.

3. It is the view of those making this dissenting report that the role of the Expenditure Committee is not that of an auditor. It is to examine the efficiency and effectiveness of the use of funds made available for specified purposes by the

Parliament. In our view it is not the function of the Committee to pursue every suggestion of maladministration in a comprehensive way but rather it is its function to satisfy itself as to the efficiency or otherwise of administrative procedures in

the effective expenditure of taxpayers' funds.

4. In examining the efficiency and effectiveness of the ADC the Committee became aware of the possible commission of criminal offences, the occurrence of serious administrative malpractice and gross mismanagement. There were numerous

occasions on which the evidence presented to the Committee indicated widespread management inefficiency and ineffective procedures.

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5. Not only was it not the role of the Committee, it has neither the resources nor the expertise to pursue every issue of this nature which is brought to its attention. Nevertheless, examples were so widespread and maladministration so evident in those few examples which the Committee more fully explored that we have come to the conclusion that the ADC has been poorly administered, that there were breaches of the ADC's Act related to pecuniary interest and that some of the maladministration was of such seriousness as to indicate the possible commission of criminal offences. All these matters taken together have led us to the view that there should be a comprehensive judicial inquiry

into the activities of the ADC. Because from our experience many funding trails crossed various jurisdictions we are of the view that the terms of reference of such an inquiry should allow it to examine all areas of Commonwealth funding in Aboriginal"affairs.

6. Our recommendation that such a judicial inquiry be established is based on the Committee's examination of the evidence it collected and it has been reinforced by the views expressed by Mr John Coombs, Q.C. who was appointed to assist the Committee in evaluating the evidence before it. We agree with the view expressed by Mr Coombs that in the light of the Committee's limited powers and lack of criminal investigatory controls there are many questions which those with such powers and experience would have wished to have asked which were not asked. We do not believe that the Committee should have placed itself in the role of a criminal investigator, prosecutor or tribunal. It is not trained or equipped in any of these roles. Once any allegation of a criminal kind is made and supported by evidence which had to be taken seriously, the Committee in our view should in accordance with its procedures take steps to refer the evidence to an appropriate investigatory authority whether it as a Committee accepted the evidence or not.

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7. Mr Coombs recommended that certain matters be brought to the attention of the Australian Federal Police. We are concerned that, despite this recommendation, the Committee has chosen to examine these matters further. It is our view that those who in their evidence made allegations and those against

whom allegations were made can best be assured of receiving fair treatment if the allegations are investigated by bodies with appropriate experience in investigation rather than by the Committee attempting to weigh statements of witnesses as it has done.

8. An example of the Committee attempting to weigh the statements of witnesses is reported at paragraph 13 of the Committee's report. It is, in our view, an inappropriate activity for the Expenditure Committee. The Committee's report notes that

one witness changed the evidence first given to the Committee. From this the Committee concluded that by so doing the reliability of this witness must be called into question. However, the report fails to explain that the revised evidence

referred to the actions of the witness and that the revision did not in any way weaken or change the allegations made against Mr Perkins. This, when considered against the comments of Counsel that Mr Perkins was generally an evasive and unhelpful witness

from whom Committee attempts to seek answers were probably a waste of time, is evidence that the Committee in pursuing an investigation of this allegation was venturing into a field beyond its expertise. The matter like the others Counsel

suggested for investigation by the AFP should be taken up by that body as a matter of urgency. We believe that the fact that several matters recommended for further investigation by Counsel have recently been taken up by appropriate investigating

authorities supports the case for investigation of other matters by suitable authorities rather than dismissal by the Committee after perfunctory examination.

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9. Those making the dissent express their concern that such a judicial inquiry would be hampered in its activities if Mr Perkins did not stand aside from his present responsibility during the course of the investigation.

10. With respect to the conclusions of the main report we note the total inadequacy of the Parliamentary system to deal with the allegations made to the Committee. We strongly believe that these allegations should not be investigated further by the House but should immediately be taken up by appropriate

investigating authorities. We note the Committee's concern at paragraph 17 for the protection of those against whom allegations have been made and would wish to add to this our concern that those making allegations within the forum of Committee inquiries should have available to them similar protections and that these protections should be strengthened. We are also concerned that the report of the Committee identifies certain people who either made allegations or against whom allegations were made. Having been so named we have had no alternative in giving examples of our concerns to do likewise.

11. Finally we note that throughout the inquiry,

allegations have been discarded or not fully explored by the Committee. It has, in several instances been judged to be beyond the Committee's competence or resources to pursue the plethora of allegations brought to its attention and so only one or two of the allegations seen as representative of administrative difficulties or perhaps involving potential criminality have been selected for closer examination. The Committee's lack of experience in questioning and investigating such matters has meant that even those selected for closer examination have not, as noted by Counsel, been fully explored. The Committee has thus

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dismissed or failed to fully examine many matters on the basis of

scant information. We believe this strengthens the argument that

the Committee had neither the time, expertise, nor responsibility

to pursue the many allegations brought to its attention and that

these are the proper concern of a properly constituted judicial

inquiry.

Hon. I.B.C. Wilson, H.P.,

Deputy Chairman

for and on behalf of J.H. Beale, M.P

M.R. Cobb, M.P.

D.B. Cowan, M.P

D.P. Hawker, M.:

P.N. Slipper, M

c.w. Tuckey, M.

MAY 1985

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

THE SENATE

THURSDAY, 13 OCTOBER 1988

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

M I NUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 11

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 11.45 a.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 12. The Chairman,

Senator Aulich, took the Chair.

2. RESOLUTIONS: The Secretary reported Resolution of the Senate dated 1 September 1988 relating to the appointment of Estimates Committees, reference of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1988-89 and Departmental

Expenditure under the Advance the Minister for Finance for the year ended 30 June 1988 to Estimates Committees' and appointment of members of Estimates Committees.

3. ESTIMATES: The Committee considered the order and dates on which to examine Departments at public hearings. The Committee agreed to proceed with the examination of Departments in the following order:

. Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs . Administrative Services . Attorney-General's . Aboriginal Affairs (including the Aboriginal

Development Commission)

4. LETTER FROM THE CHAIRMAN, ABORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT

COMMISSION: The Chairman, Senator Aulich tabled a letter to him dated 11 October 1988 relating to the Explanatory Notes for the Aboriginal Development Commission.

On the motion of Senator Tambling, the Committee resolved that:

The Committee Chairman write today to the Minister representing the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs in the Senate requesting the Minister to instruct the Secretary of the Department of Aboriginal affairs, Mr Perkins; the Chairman of the Aboriginal Development Commission, Mrs McPherson; and the General Manager of

the Aboriginal Development Commission, Mr O'Brien, to attend the Committee's examination of the estimates for the Department of Aboriginal Affairs and the Aboriginal Development Commission.

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5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 11.49 a.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Aulich, Durack, Foreman, Short and

CONFIRMED:

(Terry Aulich) Chairman

Maguire Tambling

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THURSDAY, 13 OCTOBER 1988

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

M INUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 12

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 12.02 p.m. in Senate

Committee Room No. 10.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1988-89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1988-89 - DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION, LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ETHNIC AFFAIRS.

3. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable Robert Ray,

Minister for Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs and Senator the Honourable Margaret Reynolds, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs

Mr A. Harris, Deputy Secretary Mr M. Lynch, First Assistant Secretary, Migration and Ethnic Affairs Policy Division Mr W. Gibbons, First Assistant Secretary, Development

and Systems Division Mr R. Calver, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Office of Local Government Mr A. Struik, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate

Division

Department of Finance

Mr J. Buckley, Director, Immigration and Industrial Relations Section Mr M. Jones, Finance Officer, Immigration and

Industrial Relations Section

The Committee called on for consideration the follwoing programs:

1. Migration and Visitor Entry 2. Settlement and Ethnic Affairs 3. Corporate Services 4. Citizenship 5. Office of Local Government

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The Committee considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the

Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1988-89 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1987-88 for the Department of Immigration, Local

Government and Ethnic Affairs, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and officers to provide additional

information to the Committee.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 AND

EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 - DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.

5. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable Robert Ray,

Minister for Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Administrative Services

Mr A.A. Hillier, Deputy Secretary Mr C.A. Mcalister, Deputy Secretary Dr C.A. Hughes, Electoral Commissioner Mr S. Palywoda, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Business Development Group Mr A. Butler, General Manager, Purchasing and Sales Group Mr R. Pitt, General Manager, Corporate Services Group Mr B.E. Hinchcliffe, General Manager, Transport and

Storage Group Mr R. Williams, Acting General Manager, Australian Property Group Mr J. Sheaves, Acting General Manager, Australian Surveying and Land Information Group Mr B.D.B. Smith, General Manager, Overseas Property Group Mr J. Lleonart, General Manager, Parliamentary

Services and Information Group Mr P. O'Neill, Assistant General Manager,

Parlaimentary and Ministerial Services Branch Mr W. Peel, Assistant General Manager, Estate

Services Mr R. Hoy, Assistant General Manager, Client Services Branch Mr R. Rubie, Government Printer

Australian Government Analytical Laboratories: Mr C. Dahl, Acting Government Analyst Bureau of Meteorology: Dr J. Zillman Australian Archives:

Mr B. Cox, Director-General Mr S. Skrzpik, Acting Assistant Secretary

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Australian Protective Service: Mr P. Dawson Australian Valuation Office: Mr M. Coleman

Royal Commission of Inquiry into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody: Mr J . Gavin, Secretary Genetic Manipulation Advisory Committee:

Mr P. Maher, Director Parliament House Construction Authority: Mr J .D . Fowler Australian Construction Services:

Mr H. Jacka, General Manager, Mr G. Weir, Acting Assistant Secretary, Resources and Computing Department of Finance -

Mr E.J. Williams, Chief Finance Officer, Defence and Government Division Mr T. Gallagher, Acting Assistant Secretary, Defence and Government Division Mr R .A. Foster, Acting Chief Finance Officer

The Chairman called on for consideration the following programs:

1. Australia Property Services 2. Overseas Property Services 3. Construction and Asset Management Services 4. Transport and Storage 5. Surveying and Mapping Services 6. Protection and Custodical Services 7. Australia Valuation Office 8. Publishing and Printing 9 . Purchasing and Sales 10. Meteorology 11. Ionospheric Prediction Service 12. Australia Government Analytical Laboratories 13. Management of Government Records

14. Parliamentary Information and other Services 15. Corporate Management 16. Electoral Services 17. Commonwealth/State Revenue Sharing

18. Parliament House Construction Authority 19. Genetic Manipulation Advisory Committee

The Committee also considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minster for Finance.

The Committee suspended its hearing of the Department of Administrative Services,.

The Committee agreed to resume its consideration of the Department until a date to be arranged.

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6 . ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 11.16 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: Senators Aulich, Durack, Foreman, Maguire, Short, Tambling

Senators Coulter, Michael Baume, Boswell, Jenkins and Messner also attended.

CONFIRMED:

(Terry Aulich) Chairman

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WEDNESDAY, 19 OCTOBER 1988

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MI N U T E S OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 13

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 8.00 p.m. in Senate

Committee Room No. 10. The Chairman, Senator Aulich, took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1988-89 AND

EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 - DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.

3. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable Robert Ray,

Minsiter for Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs and Senator the Honourable Margaret Reynolds, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Administrative Services

Mr A.A. Hillier, Deputy Secretary Mr C .A. McAlister, Deputy Secretary Dr C.A. Hughes, Electoral Commissioner Mr S . Palywoda, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Business

Development Group Mr A. Butler, General Manager, Purchasing and Sales Group Mr R. Pitt, General Manager, Corporate Services Group Mr B.E. Hinchcliffe, General Manager, Transport and

Storage Group Mr R. Williams, Acting General Manager, Australian Property Group Mr J. Sheaves, Acting General Manager, Australian

Surveying and Land Information Group Mr B.D.B. Smith, General Manager, Overseas Property Group Mr J. Lleonart, General Manager, Parliamentary Services and Information Group

Mr P. O'Neill, Assistant General Manager, Parlaimentary and Ministerial Services Branch Mr W. Peel, Assistant General Manager, Estate Services Mr R . Hoy, Assistant General Manager, Client Services

Branch Mr R. Rubie, Government Printer

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Department of Finance

Mr J. Buckley, Director, Immigration and Industrial Relations Section Mr M. Jones, Finance Officer, Immigration and Industrial Relations Section

4. The Committee resumed consideration from 13 October 1988 of the following programs:

3. Construction and Asset Management Services 5. Australian Surveying and Land Information 6. Protective and Custodial Services 8. Publishing and Printing 14. Parliamentary, Information and Other

Services

15. Corporate Management

The Committee suspended its hearing of the Department of Administrative Services.

The Committee agreed to resume its consideration of the Department on a date to be arranged.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 11.20 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: Senators Aulich, Durack, Foreman, Maguire, Short, Tambling

Senators Michael Baume and Patterson also attended.

CONFIRMED:

(Terry Aulich) Chairman

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THE SENATE

THURSDAY, 20 OCTOBER 1988

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

M I N U T E S OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 14

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.05 p.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 10. The Chairman, Senator Aulich, took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1988-89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 - DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.

3. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable Robert Ray, Minister for Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Administrative Services Mr R. Pitt, General Manager, Corporate Services Group Mr J. Gavin, Secretary, Royal Commission of Inquiry into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody

Australian Electoral Commission: Dr C .A. Hughes, Electoral Commissioner Mr J.S. Mahoney, Assistant Commissioner, Information and Education Branch Mr P.J. Skinner, Assistenat Commissioner, Corporate

Services Branch Mr M. Maley, Director, Computer Services Mr A. Ray, Director, Finance and General Services

Parliament House Construction Authority: Mr. J.D. Fowler, Deputy Chief Executive Mr J.L. Maher, Senior Execuitve, Administration and Finance

Mr D. O'Connell, Engineer, Construction

Department of Finance Mr R.A. Foster, Acting Chief Finance Officer, Defence and Government Division

The Committee resumed consideration from 19 October 1988 of the following programs:

16. Electoral Services 18. Parliament House Construction Authority

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1987-88 for the Department of Administrative Services, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and officers to provide additional information to the Committee.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1988-89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 - ATTORNEY-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT.

5. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable Michael Tate, Minister for Justice, accompanied by the following officers:

Attorney-Generals Department Mr P. Brazil, Secretary Mr M. Starr, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Business Affairs Division Mr M. Keehn, Senior Assistant Secretary, Completion Policy Branch, Buisness Affairs Division Mr P. Baskett, Senior Assistant Secretary, Managment

Support Branch, Corporate Services Division Mr R. Smeaton, Senior Assistant Secretary, Resource Management Branch, Corporate Services Division Mr. G. Parkin, Acting Senior Assistant Secretary, General Counsel Division Mr B. Mowbray, Principal Legal Officer, General

Counsel Division Mr R. Krauss, Director, Budget Management Court Mr J . Howard, Principal Registrar, Federal Court Mr W. Johnston, Principal Registrar, Family Court Mr G. Delaney, Acting First Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions Mr P. Dingwall, Acting Registrar, Administrative Appeals Tribunal Mr A. Green, Chief Reporter, Commonwealth Reporting

Service Mr J. Dickie, Chief Censor, Office of Film and

Literature Classification Mr R . Chalker, Director, Australian Bureau of Criminal Intelligence Mr L. Glare, Deputy Secretary Mr A.D. Rose, Associate Secretary Mr L. Curtis, Deputy Secretary Mr P. Levy, Deputy Secretary Mr R. Davey, Fist Assistant Secretary, Office of Legal Aid Administration Mr J. Fisher, First Assistant Secretary, Commercial and Drafting Division Mr B . McMillian, First Assistant Secretary, Legal

Services Coordination Division

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Mr N. Reaburn, First Assistant Secretary, Security Division Mr D, Rose, First Assistant Secretary, General Counsel Division Mr S. Skehill, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate

Services Division Mr E. Willheim, First Assistant Secretary, Justice Division Mr H. Woltring, First Assistant Secretary, Criminal

Law and Law Enforcement Division Mr J. Wood, First Assistant Secretary, Federal Bureau of Consumer Affairs Mr P. Wenn, First Assistant Secretary, Bankruptcy

Division Mr J.C. Johnson, Deputy Commissioner, Australian Federal Police Mr R. Mills, Assistant Secretary, Resources Division, Australian Federal Police

Professor D. Chappell, Director, Australian Institute of Criminology Mr R. Schoer, Executive Director, National Companies and Securitites Commission

Mr R. Rose, High Court of Australia Mr C. Sidoti, Secretary, Human Rights and Equal

Opportunity Commission Mr B. Chapman, Assistant Secretary, Management, Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Mr B. Hunt, Principal Executive Officer, Law Reform

Commission Mr D. Lenihan, Chief Executive Officer, National Crime Authority Mr I. Turnbull, fist Parliamentary Counsel Mr S. Walker, Director, Personnel services, Office of

Director of Public Prosecutions Mr H. Spier, First Assistant Commissioner, Trade Practices Commission

Mr S. Malouf, Assistant Commissioner, Corporate Services Branch, Trade Practices Commission Mr S. Mason, Secretary and Director, Law Reform

Commission Mr D. Keane, Implementation and Management, Australian Institute of Family Studies Dr M.Sernack, Criminal Law and Law Enforcement

Division

Department of Finance Mr G. Ryle, Chief Finance Officer Mr N. McGladrigan, Senior Finance Officer

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The Committee called for a consideration of the following programs:

1. Legal Services to the Commonwealth 2. Law Related Services to the Community 3. Legal Aid 4. Administration of Justice 5. High Court of Australia 6. Maintenance of Law, Order and Security 7. Corporate Services

The Committee also considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance.

The Committee suspended its hearing of the

Attorney-Genera1's Department.

The Committee agreed to resume its consideration of the Department on Friday, 21 October 1988.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 11.15 p.m.

7. AUTHORISATION TO PUBLISH DOCUMENTS: On the motion of Senator Short the Committee resolved that:

The Committee authorises the publication of all documents presented to it in the course of its hearings, and authorises the publication of written replies and other documents which may be

forwarded to it after hearings have been

completed.

8. ATTENDANCE: Senators Aulich, Durack, Foreman, Maguire, Short and Tambling

Senators Michael Baume, Peter Baume, Hill and Walters also attended.

CONFIRMED:

(Terry Aulich) Chairman

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T HE SENATE

FRIDAY 21 OCTOBER 1988

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MI N U T E S OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 15

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 9.05 a.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 10. The Chairman, Senator Aulich, took the Chair.

2. CHANGE IN MEMBERSHIP: The Chairman informed the Committee that by resolution of the Senate, Senator Devlin has replaced Senator Maguire in accordance with Standing Order 36AB for today.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1988-89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 - ATTORNEY-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT.

4. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable Michael Tate, Minsiter for Justice, representing the Attorney-General, accompanied by the officers who assisted the Committee at its previous hearing:

The Chairman called on for consideration the following programs: 1. Legal Services to the Commonwealth 2. Law Related Services to the Community

4. Administration of Justice 6. Maintenance of Law, Order and Security

The Committee concluded its consideration of the

Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 and

Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Attorney-Genral's Department, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and officers to provide additional information to the Committee.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1988-89 AND

EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 - DEPARTMENT OF ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS.

6. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable Michael Tate, Minister for Justice, representing the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

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Department of Aboriginal Affairs Mr C.N. Perkins, Secretary Mr R.V. Winroe, Deputy Secretary Mr D.J. O'Rourke, Acting Deuputy Secretary Mr W. Miller, Acting First Secretary, Corporate

Services Division Mr M.J. Strokowsky, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Heritage and Legal Division Mr R.J. Headman, Acting First Secretary, Heritage and Legal Division Mr. G. Menham, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Development Division Mr G. Bissaker, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Budget Branch

National Aboriginal Health Strategy Working Party: Mr K. Wanganeen, Secretary

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission Task Force: Mr W. Gray, Chairman

Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies Mr W. Dix, Principal Mr J.E. Ramsay, Deputy Principal Mr T. Varge, Finance Officer Aboriginal Hostels Limited:

Mr R.C. Clarke, General Manager Mr J.C. Rooks, Assistant General Manager and Company Secretary Ms E. Barolits, Assistant General Manager, Operations

Aboriginal Development Commission: Ms S. MacPherson, Chairman Mr M. O'Brien, General Manager Mr W. Prior, Deputy General Manager Mr M. Pope, Assistant General Manager, Strategic

Planning And Review Mr C. Kay, Manager, Finance Branch Mr R. Powell, Financial Accountant, Finance Branch

Department of Finance Mr G. Ryle, Chief Finance Officer Mr N. McGladrigan, Senior Finance Officer

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The Chairman called on for consideration the following programs:

1. Heritage 2. Public Affairs 3. Social and Legal Services 4. Community Development 5. Corporate Services

The Committee suspended its hearing of the

Department of Aboriginal Affairs.

The Committee agreed to resume its consideration of the Department on Tuesday, 25 October 1988.

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 4.15 p.m.

8. ATTENDANCE: Senators Aulich, Devlin, Durack, Foreman, Short and Tambling

Senators Peter Baume, Colston, Hill and Jenkins also attended.

CONFIRMED:

(Terry Aulich) Chairman

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THE SENATE

TUESDAY, 25 OCTOBER 1988

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 16

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 1.38 p.m. in Senate

committee Room 14. The Chairman, Senator Aulich, took the chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1988-89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 - DEPARTMENT OF ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS.

3. IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable Michael Tate, Minister for Justice, representing the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, accompanied by the officers who assisted the Committee at its previous meeting. The Chairman called on for consideration the following programs:

1. Heritage 2. Public Affairs 5. Management Services

The Committee suspended its hearing of the Department until Wednesday, 26 October 1988.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 7.20 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: Senators Aulich, Foreman, Short and Tambling

APOLOGIES: Senators Durack and Maguire.

Senators Collins and McKiernan also attended.

CONFIRMED:

(Terry Aulich) Chairman

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T H E SENATE

WEDNESDAY 26 OCTOBER 1988

E S TIMATES C OMMITTEE E

M I N U T E S OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 17

MEETING: The Committee met at 9.03 a.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 14. The Chairman, Senator Aulich, took the Chair.

PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1988-89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 - DEPARTMENT OF ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS.

IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable Michael Tate, Minister for Justice, representing the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, accompanied by the officers who assisted the Committee at its previous meeting:

The Chairman called on for consideration the following programs: 3. Social and Legal Services 4. Community Development

6. Aboriginal Development Commission

The Committee considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the

Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1988-89 and

Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for 1987-88 for the Department of Aboriginal Affairs, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and officers to

provide additional information to the Committee.

PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1988-89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 - DEPARTMENT OF ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS.

ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 4.50 p.m.

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6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Aulich, Foreman, Tambling and Short

Senators Collins, Cooney and McKiernan also attended.

APOLOGIES: Senator Durack and Maguire

CONFIRMED:

(Terry Aulich) Chairman

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THE SENATE

TUESDAY, 1 NOVEMBER 1988

ESTIMATES C O MMITTEE E

M I NUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 18

1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 10.00 a.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 17. The Chairman, Senator Aulich, took the Chair.

2. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered the Chairman's draft Report to the Senate on the estimates for the Department of Aboriginal Affairs. After discussion, the Committee Secretary was instructed to prepare a

further draft of the Report for consideration. Dissent to parts of the Chairman's draft Report by Senators Tambling and Short was recorded. The Committee resolved to meet at a later hour this day to consider a further draft of its Report.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 11.47 a.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Aulich, Foreman, Maguire, Short and Tambling

Apologies were received from Senator Durack.

CONFIRMED:

(Terry Aulich) Chairman

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THE SENATE

TUESDAY, 1 NOVEMBER 1988

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 19

1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 6.35 p.m. in Senator Tambling's room. The Chairman, Senator Aulich, took the Chair.

2. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered a

further Chairman's draft Report to the Senate. Following discussion, the Committee instructed the Committee Secretary to prepare a further draft of the Report for consideration by the Committee.

Senators Short and Tambling indicated that, subject to the Committee's further consideration of the Chairman's draft Report, in accordance with Standing Order 36 AB(17) they may wish to add a reservation to the Report.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.50 p.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Aulich, Foreman, Maguire, Short and Tambling

Apologies were received from Senator Durack.

CONFIRMED:

(Terry Aulich) Chairman

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THE SENATE

WEDNESDAY, 2 NOVEMBER 1988

E S TIMATES C O MMITTEE E

MI N U T E S OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 20

1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 7.40 p.m. in Senator Tambling's room. The Chairman, Senator Aulich, took the Chair.

2. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered a

further Chairman's draft Report to the Senate. Following discussion, the Committee agreed to the draft report subject to amendments and additions. Senator Tambling indicated that, in accordance with Standing Order 36AB

(17), a reservation would be added to the Report by

Senators Short and Tambling.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 8.00 p.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Aulich, Foreman, Short and Tambling

Apologies were received from Senator Durack and Maguire.

CONFIRMED:

(Terry Aulich) Chairman

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THE SENATE

THURSDAY, 3 NOVEMBER 1988

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 21

1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 1.50 p.m. in Senator Tambling's Room. The Chairman, Senator Aulich, took the chair.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: The Minutes of Meetings held on 13 October, 19 October, 20 October, 21 October, 25

October, 26 October and 1 November (Nos. 11 to 21) were confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered the Chairman's draft Report to the Senate.

The Committee resolved that the draft Report be agreed to, subject to the inclusion of a number of amendments.

Senators Durack, Tambling and Short indicated that, in accordance with Standing Order 36AB(17), a reservation by them would be added to the Report.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 2.00 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: Senators Aulich, Durack, Foreman, Short and Tambling. An apology was received from Senator Maguire.

CERTIFIED CORRECT:

(Terry Aulich) Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

HANSARD INDEX TO ISSUES RAISED BY THE COMMITTEE

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR HANSARD OF HEARINGS

Thursday, 13 October 1988

Subject Page

Chairman's opening statement El

DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION, LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ETHNIC AFFAIRS

Program 1 - Migration and Visitor Entry

Government response to the Fitzgerald report E2

Migrant labour market experience and sponsorship patterns study E3

Failure of support under family migration E3

Unemployment of independent and concessional category migrants E3

Trans-Tasman migration E4

Crime rates by ethnicity E5

Human contacts agreement with USSR E5

Drafting of the migrant workers' convention E5

Refugee and specialist humanitarian program - El Salvador E6

- staffing allocation E7

- repatriation to Vietnam E8

- targets for 1988-89 E8

Departmental response to Fitzgerald criticisms E10

Independent concessional category - demand Ell

- processing of applications E12

- changes to the points test El 3

- employability quotient E14

- reliance on points for family E16

- characteristics of successful applicants E17

De facto element in family migration E18

Change of status applications E19

Australian embassy processing of Vietnamese migrant applications E21

Processing and efficiency of overseas Departmental posts E22 - the Migration Program Management System E23

- the South African office E25

Encouragement of migration from particular countries E26 Accredited agent courses E26

Processing of business migrant accreditation E27

Alleged malpractice by a senior immigration officer E30 Controversial visitors policy E31

Visa-carrying visitors refused entry at airports E32 Negotiated arrangements between the Department and industry E33 Justification for an immigration policy E34

Drop in numbers of migrants from Italy E36

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Increase in applications from the U.K., Ireland E38

Temporary residents program E40

- conversion to resident status E40

Criticisms of the monitoring of the business migration program by the Auditor-General E41

Commonwealth-State research study on business migrants E42 Departmental participation in training programs for accredited agents E43

Immigration review panel cases E44

- effects of the introduction of fees E44

- throughput time E45

- decentralisation of review units E45

- legality of the administrative fee E47

Non-provision of visitors' visas from within South Africa E48 Computerisation of visa issue E49

Issuing of visas to Taiwanese E50

Estimated numbers of prohibited non-citizens(PNCs) E50 Characteristics of PNCs E52

Legal challenges under the AD(JR) Act E53

Granting of legal aid to PNCs E56

Program 2 - Settlement and Ethnic Affairs

Costs of repatriating migrants E56

Program 4 - Citizenship

Questions on notice from Senator Short E57

Program 5 - Office of Local Government

Distribution of PIT funds, following ATSIC Changes which may follow ATSIC Senate Select Committee on the Administration Affairs Charging of rates to Commonwealth authorities Macarthur Development Corporation repayments

DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES

Minister's opening statement E62

Advance to the Minister for Finance E63

Program 1 - Australian Property Services

Increase in administrative expenses E64

Sale arrangement for CACS E64

Design work on a dedicated joint user computer centre E64 Sale of the Bundaberg Rifle Club E66,E71

Frequency of Commonwealth property deals E70

Sale of Chifley Square E71

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of Aboriginal E59 E59 E60

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Sale of the Australian Embassy in Tokyo E72

Supply of Australian furniture to overseas posts E72

Australian involvement in the construction of the new Tokyo embassy E73

Petitions re the preservation of the old Australian Ambassador's residence, Tokyo E73

Australian government owned property in Jakarta E74

Progress with the Beijing embassy E74

Reasons for expenditure on overseas posts E75

Program 3 - Construction and Asset Management Services

Use of outside design consultants E75

Involvement of the Department with the new FAC at Darwin and Alice Springs airports E77

On-site resources at Tindal E77

Contractual problems with the Tindal swimming pool E77

Program 4 - Transport and Storage

Questions on notice from Senator Durack E78

Program 7 - Australian Valuation Office

AVO involvement with the Australian Property Group E81

Program 10 - Meteorology

Relocation at Lord Howe Island E81

Work on the study of the greenhouse effect E82

Collaborative programs with the World Meteorological Organisation E82

Effects of staffing cuts E83

Program 12 - Australian Government Analytical Laboratories

Pesticide residue program E83

Deferral of growth hormone study E84

Program 13 - Management of Government Records

Marketing of the Archives program E84

Agency awareness of their archival responsibilities E85 Proposed amendments to the Archives Act E85

Problems of public access to records E85

Access - delays E86

Volume of AAT applications E86

Use of records by media E86

Program 19 - Genetic Manipulation Advisory Committee

Aims and nature of the program E87

Background of secretariat members E88

Program 2 - Overseas P r operty Group

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Departmental response to the Auditor-General's criticisms E92 Contract administration E93

Supply of Australian materials E94

Management systems on fire protection surveys E95

Contract fire safety officers E95

PABX system, Commonwealth Centre, Parramatta E95

Instalment purchase projects E98

Program 4 - Transport and Storage Group

Size of Commonwealth car and driver fleet E98

Self-drive fleet E99

Jobs covered by the Commonwealth car fleet E99

Efficiency of the commercialisation program E100

Training of Commonwealth car drivers E101

Courtesies expected of Commonwealth car drivers E102

Life span of Commonwealth car pool cars E102

Program 5 - Australian Surveying and Land Information

Advice, preparation of maps for the proposed ATSIC E103

Questions on notice from Senator Short E104

Program 6 - Protective and Custodial Services

Movement to full cost recovery El04

Security staffing of Parliament House E104

Protective services for the Governor-General's and Prime Minister's residences E105

Program 8 - Publishing and Marketing

AGPS titles sold at a profit E106

Basis on which fees are levied, for publication E107

Departmental use of commercial publishers E107

Pricing of Budget documents E108

Public interest indicators E108

Sales of the Style Manual E109

Delivery times E109

Staff salary increases Bill

Program 14 - Parliamentary Information and Other Services

National Media Liaison Service - role E112

- staffing - salary costs E113

- dual functions of Mr Colin Parks E112

- use by Opposition senators E115

Program 3 - Construction and Asset Management Services

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- location, equipment of offices E116

- press releases issued E117

- extent of transcription service E118

- media monitoring of elections E118

- use of consultants E119

- publications El19

- portfolio responsibility E120

- interstate visits by staff E120

Provision of dedicated Whips' clerks positions E121

Increase in administrative expenses E123

Drop in funding for Australian made campaign E124

Photographic services entitlement El24

Response to Auditor-General's criticism of the handling of trust account moneys El24

Retention of advertising agencies E125

Thursday, 20 October 1988

Program 16 - Electoral Services

Amount expended on the referendum E127

Expenditure promoting the referendum E128

Referendum advertising campaign - costs of advice, representation in the High Court E128 - circumstances of Electoral Commission involvement E129 - legal advice E130

Labour costs of a referendum E130

Redistribution of electoral boundaries, Victoria, Western Australia E131

Distribution of the referendum booklet E131

- telephone complaints E132

Early closure of polls for eastern state voters voting elsewhere E132

Absentee voting booths El32

Joint Select Committee on Electoral Matters E133

Referendum booklets returned to sender E134

Non-voter action E134

Victorian, Western Australian redistribution E134

- timetable E135

Development of electoral system for ATSIC E135

Constraints on ability to undertake ATSIC elections E136 Refining ATSIC electorates E137

Conduct of polling differences between ATSIC, Electoral Act E137

ATSIC - definition of Aboriginality E138

- use of voter cards El38

- compulsory voting E138

- automatic appointments to regional councils E138 - suspension of regional councillors E139

Removal of names from the electoral roll E139

Treatment of provisional voting E141

Selection of Electoral Commission advertising agency E141 Fate of cardboard polling booths, post-election E142

Revenue from sale of electoral rolls E142

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Habitation reviews E142

Checks on citizenship E143

Profiles of federal electorates E143

Electoral Commission staff attendance at by-elections E143 Computer predictions of election trends E144

Program 18 - Parliament House Construction Authority

Design percentage of total capital costs E145

Variations in design brief E145

Contract to supply sandstone E145

Art work acquisition program E147

- reductions E147

Distribution of artworks to office holders E147

- limits on numbers E148

- non-availability of craft items to Senators, members E148 - cuts to display case purchases E149

- methods of selection E149

Value of paintings in Senators, members collection E150 Work of the Art Advisory Committee E151

Location of Lloyd Rees works E151

Exchanges with art galleries E151

On-going curatorial responsibility E152

Remounting El52

Rotation of artworks E153

Failure of sprinkler heads E153

Indentations in parquetry floors E153

- sanding, resealing program E154

Contract variations to be resolved E154

Auditor-General's criticism of variations review E155 Authority's administrative costs E156

Retrenchment rates, entitlements E157

Superannuation entitlements E157

Sound systems in the chambers E158

Radio receivers in members' & Senators' offices E159

Equipment breakdowns in kitchens El60

- Leonda ovens El61

Design of floors in kitchens El61

Records of design briefs E162

Lessons learnt from the construction of new Parliament HouseE164 Manufacturers' willingness to rectify faults E165

- cooking hoods E165

- hot presses E165

Freestanding pillars in corridors E166

Joint Standing Committee meetings E167

Problems with seats, desks in chamber E167

On-site industrial disputes E169

Use of grey box timber El69

Responsibility for repair of parquet flooring E170

Problems with theft E170

Wooden Venetians El70

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ATTORNEY-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT

Program 1 - Legal Services to the Commonwealth

Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions - preparation for possible war crimes trials El78

- briefings from the SIU E178

ABS Household Expenditure Survey - legal opinion E180

- content of earlier surveys E180

- reliance on advice from ABS El82

- methodological differences in surveys E182

- advice from O'Keeffe, Whalan El85

- change from voluntary to compulsory E187

- covering letter from ABS El88

- retrospective tabling E190

Program 2 - Law Related Services to the Community

Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission - costs of individual actions E172

- information provided in annual report El73

- timing of annual report E173

- complaints re sexual harassment cases E174

Law Reform Commission - implementation of reports E177

- demise of the SA Law Reform Commission E177

National Companies and Securities Commission - assistance in drafting legislation E193

- resource situation El94

- concentration on insider trading E194

- position on self-regulation E195

- skills shortage E195

- word processing system E196

- referral of inquiries to States E198

- post-crash demands El99

- litigation E199

- decisions on priorities, Ministerial Council E202 - major commercial crimes dealt with E203

- warehousing E204

Proposed establishment of ASC E196

Questions on notice from Senator Short E204

Program 4 - Administration of Justice

Transfer of matters from Federal to Family Court E174

- letter from the Chief Justice E175

Court reporting services fee E176

Program 6 - Maintenance of Law, Order and Security

National Crime Authority - office in South Australia E190

- number of references E193

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Friday, 21 October 1988

Asbestos claims against the Commonwealth E209

Resources provided for ATSIC legislation E210

Legal advice re preamble to ATSIC E210

Discussions with other States on ATSIC E211

Justice indicators for Aboriginals E211

Legal aid services in Tasmania E212

War crimes - resources required for prosecution E218

- length of trials E219

- liaison with SIU E220

- prosecution criteria E221

Tax laws drafting delays E222

Program 2 - Law Related Services to the Community

UNCITRAL trial model arbitration code E224

Constitutional Commission E224

- expenditure E226

Constitutional Convention E225

High Court action re referendum E225

Selection of referendum advertising agency E226

Trade Practices Commission - funding E234

- resources requirements E236

- merger activities E236

Federal Bureau of Consumer Affairs E238

- relations with ACA, AGAL E238

- grant to AFCO E239

- grant to AFCCRA E239

- National Consumer Affairs Advisory Committee E240 AFCO - rules E246

- detection of office fraud E246

Program 3 - Legal Aid

Uniform means and needs test E242

National Legal Aid Advisory Committee review E242

Legal aid agreements with the States E243

Legal aid for war crimes trials E245

Questions on notice from Senator Short E247

Program 4 - Administration of Justice

Amendments to Family Law Act E227

Appointment of judicial registrars E228

Evaluation of marriage counselling service E229

Noble Park Mediation Centre E229

Family Court - processes between States E231

- delays E232

- child support scheme E233

Program 1 - Legal Services to the Commonwealth

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ACT Magistrates Court E247

- study into resources required E247

- arrangements re parking offences E249

- bailiff services E250

Forensic Medical Centre E250

Commonwealth Reporting Services E250

Program 6 - Maintenance of Law, Order and Security

Australian Federal Police - corporate plan E212

- coastal surveillance E213

- use of consultants E214

- relationship with new ACT administration E214

- office in Argentina E215

- liaison on drug matters with DBA, NCA, Mr Justice Stewart E216

- career structure review E217

Law enforcement policy review E250

Problems between the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security and AS10 E251

Displacement of Protective Services Coordination Centre staff E251

National Committee on Violence E252

Special Investigations Unit - number of outstanding matters E253

- allegations received from overseas countries E254 - number, size of investigating teams E255

- number of investigations nearing completion E255

- facilitation of evidence from overseas E256

- agreement with Polish Minister for Justice E257

- visits to Australia by Eastern bloc countries E259

- interviews with suspects E259

- Mr Greenwood's contract E259

- provisions for the testing of evidence E260

- prioritising of cases E260

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Friday, 21 October 1988

Chairman's opening statement E261

Program - Non-specific

Availability of officers from the ADC for the hearings E263 Reconciliation statement by the Department of Finance E264 Reallocation of priorities by ADC Board, post Budget E265

Advice to DEBT on changes to the ADC Explanatory Notes E265 DAA analysis of ADC Explanatory Notes E266

Non-endorsal of ADC Explanatory Notes by new ADC Board E266 ADC Board qualification of its Explanatory Notes E267

Resolutions of ADC Board alleged breach of privilege E268

Tuesday, 25 October 1988

Discussions between DAA, ADC officers on ADC Explanatory Notes E272

Reported gagging of Senator Tambling by Chairman E272

Purpose and limitations of Estimates Committees E273

Meetings between DAA staff, Minister's office E274

Appointment of members of the ADC E274

Conflicts of interest of members of ADC Board E275

Discussions at ADC Housing Conference, Rockhampton E275 Disclosures of ADC Board considerations E275

Charleville Housing Association E276

Recommendations of the Auditor-General E276

- Departmental responses E277

Delays in presentation of Departmental overviews E278 Process of development of performance indicators E278 Letter from ACOA President, on DAA staffing practices E280,296 Recruitment of DAA staff E298

Procedures for disciplining staff E298

Aboriginal staff meetings E299

Relations between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal officers of the DAA E300

Mr Perkins' travelling allowance E282

Staff accompanying Mr Perkins on trips E285

Program 1 - Heritage

DAA/Land Councils discussions on royalty money E268

Horwath & Horwath report on Land Council administration E287 Potential impact of additional land councils E287

Media centre at Burunga festival E287

Travel expenses of officers, Northern Land Council E288 Issues canvassed in written complaints about land councils E288 Possible conflict of interest between NLC and Northern Aboriginal Investment Corporation E288

The proposed ATSIC's powers in relation to land rights E289

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Developing national land rights options E289

Conunonwealth/State funding arrangements review E289 Delays in granting living area excisions in WA E289

Acquisition of pastoral leases in the Kimberleys E290

Dealings with the NT Cattlemen's Association E290

Funds to DAA for excision land program E291

The ATSIC proposal and heritage legislation E291

Consultations between the Commonwealth and NT Government on heritage matters E292

Program 2 - Public Affairs

Deficit of NADOC E292,E294

Departmental members of NADOC E292

Relationship between NADOC, Department E293

Mr Phillip Hall E293

Consultations on art marketing E293

Imparja Television office rental E294

Budget anticipation of the ATSIC legislation E296

Program 5 - Corporate Services

Upgrading of personal secretary classifications E303

Appointment of regional manager, Bourke E303

Dismissal of temporary staff E303

Employment of Aboriginals in the DAA E304

Attendance at the 1987 Geneva conference E305

Draft minutes of the Rockhampton community meeting E306 Access of senior DAA officers to the draft ATSIC legislation E307

Internal audit investigation of 29 organisations E307

Role of the Registrar of Aboriginal Corporations E308

Mr R. Robinson's role in Yudarma, QEB Legal Service, Charleville Housing Co. E308

Bawananga Arts and Crafts Association, Tangentyere Council E309 ,E310 E309 E310

E310 E310 E311 E311 E311 E311 E312 E312

E313 E313

E314

E315 E315

Medibank House accommodation for ATSIC E

Advice to the Minister following ATSIC Consultations on the structure of ATSIC Discrepancies at stocktake of central office assets Complaints about the Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre Repayment of car loans by former NAC members Savings under general services from delays to ATSIC Fitzroy recreation centre Mr Phillip Hall's resignation Visits to Sydney by Mr Perkins Number of Aboriginal people, organisations - Sydney

[Questions on notice, Senator Short E313 - but missing] Government reports underpinning the ATSIC proposal Influence of the Block report on the ATSIC proposal Consultations with Aboriginal communities on ATSIC,

following the tabling of the bill Proposed ATSIC regional councils/land councils and interactions ATSIC interactions with NAEC, NBEET

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Staffing profile, structures of ATSIC E315

Commitments to employment with ATSIC E316

Submissions to Select Committee on Aboriginal Administration - funding E316

Preparation of ATSIC regional maps E316

Goot report on public awareness survey outcomes E317

Audit control over ATSIC conferences E318

ATSIC consultations open to all interested groups E318

ADC financial assistance towards ATSIC consultations E318 - expended through Tranby College E319

DAA funding of Tranby College E319

Assessments by ADC staff of Tranby College E320

Possible Association of Burunga Festival with Tranby E320 Role and background of Tranby E321

Possible Tranby/Federation of Land Councils connections E322 Previous ADC contact with Tranby E322

ADC financial assistance towards ATSIC - consultations prior to 11 May E322

ADC community conferences E323

ADC expenditure on ATSIC community consultations E324 - timing of approval E325

Purchase of Aboriginal flags E326

DAA position on loan of flags E326

Funding of Women's conference, Chinchilla E326

- DAA internal investigation E327

Mr Michael Dillon's ATSIC consultancy E328,E329

PA Consultancy re applicants, ATSIC head E328

Electoral consultant to ATSIC Task Force E328

Effect of ATSIC delays on training courses for commissioners, councillors E329

Wednesday, 26 October 1988

Appearance of Messrs Robinson, McCarthy and Johnson before Select Committee on Aboriginal Administration E332

Mr Perkins' leave usage E333

Date of ADC decision to provide funds for ATSIC consultations E335

Date of ADC decision to involve Tranby College E335

Moneys released to date to Tranby E335

Legal status of Tranby E336

Tranby students' overseas study plans E336

Purpose of the ADC allocation to Tranby E337

Canberra-based Committee for Aboriginal participation in ATSIC E338

Promise of ATSIC Commissioners, Palm Island, Mount Isa E338 Rockhampton Aboriginal community meeting - statement by Secretary on ATSIC timing E338

- Mr Robinson's resolution, endorsing ATSIC E339

- Mr 0'Shane's hopes for $2 million treaty funds E339

Funding for non-Aboriginal interests for ATSIC discussions E339 Choice of Mr Dillon as consultant E339

Mr Dillon's present work, salary E340

Mr Dillon's work for Mr Holding E340

World Council of Indigenous Peoples meeting, Lima E341

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Program 3 - Social and Legal Services

Progress in reducing incidence of hepatitis B E341

Trachoma E342

Diabetes E343

AIDS & Communicable Diseases Advisory Panel E343

Infant mortality E344

Access to health facilities E344

National Aboriginal health strategy working party E345 Fitzroy youth club and gymnasium E345

Departmental policy on joint-use facilities E346

National Aboriginal Sports and Recreation Committee - appointments E347

- use of consultants E348

- costs of convening meetings E348

- effects on policy E349

Cricket tour, England - costs E349

- successes E351

Links between arts, sports advisory committees E349

Sports advisory council meeting, Alice Springs E350

Cricket tour, New Zealand E350

Mallee Park Football Club redevelopment E351

Design of multi-purpose sporting and cultural centres E352 Johnny Warren soccer coaching clinic E352

Support for basketball trips to the US E353

Sporting sponsorship by airlines, tobacco companies E353 Value of sports development grants, etc. E354

Activities of the Aboriginal Legal Service E354

- statistics E354

QEA legal service funding E355

Increase in retainer for Aboriginal Legal Service E355

Program 4 - Community Development

Departmental response to the Bonner review E356

Discussions with Pitjantjatjara Council E356

Differences between DEBT, ADC E356

Aboriginal Hostels Board - discussions of ATSIC E357

- frequency of meetings E357

Aboriginal Community Development Program funding task force E358

Commonwealth/State review of ACDP E358

Program 6 - Aboriginal Development Commission

Foreknowledge of moves against Chairman, General Manager at Adelaide Board meeting E358

Minute-keeping at ADC Board meetings E359

Declaration of pecuniary interest by Commissioners E360 Present state of industrial relations in ADC E360

Resolution relating to Mr O'Brien 6 position of general manager E361

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Alleged breach of privilege by ADC E361

Documentation before the ADC Board re staff changes E362 Discussions with Dept. of Finance on SES 3 position E362 Offer of position of general manager to Mr Wyatt E363

Mr Wyatt's response E365

Housing conference, Rockhampton E365

- minutes secretary E365

- amendments to the minutes E365

Future ADC Board minute-taking arrangements E366

Adelaide Board meeting - minute-taking E366

- motion of no confidence in Chairman E367

- Mr O'Brien's ceasing to be general manager E367

Mr Wyatt's administrative experience E368

Legal action by Mr O'Brien against the ADC E368

Minister Hand's reply to the ACOA letter E369

- subsequent discussions E371

Status of the ADC's explanatory notes E370

Procedures for authorising explanatory notes E370

Page numbering of the explanatory notes E371

Trading losses by joint venture companies, Katherine E372 Enterprises liquidated, funds written off E372

- comparison with industry average E372

Peat Marwick Hungerford analysis of MeIvor report E372 Woden Town Club - poker machine purchase E373

- composition of committee E374

- restructuring of finances E374

- weekly turnover E377

- role E377

- members' voting rights E378

- loan repayments, interest rate moratorium E379

Oasis Hotel, Walgett NSW - purchase E380

- lease to Gamilarai Ltd. E380

- ADC additional expenditure E381

- attempts to sell E381

- transfer to title to Barwon Aboriginal Corp. E382

- valuations E383

- training benefits, employment opportunities E383 - liquor licence E383

- legal obligations of Gamilarai Ltd. E384

Assets of Barwon Aboriginal Community E384

Mardoda property, Moree, NSW E385

- ADC funding E386

- assets destroyed by fire E386

- training, job opportunities E386

- attempted disposal of property E387

- title transfer to Moree Local Aboriginal Land Council E387 Wienteriga Station purchase E388

Alma Vale, Toowoomba E388

- Mr Darby McCarthy's association with it E389

Charleville Housing Association E389

- receiver-manager appointed E389

- special audit required by Minister Hand E390

- ADC meetings with tenants E390

- in whose name land title held E390

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Middar dance company, WA E391

- action on special audit E391

- ADC resolution, debt to be pursued E392

ADC Program 2 - Social Advancement

Purchase of traditional land in degraded condition E392 Evaluation reports on property acquisitions E392

Maintenance of properties, compliance with pastoral lease covenants E393

ADC Program 3 - Home Ownership

Housing loan grants to family of Commissioners E393

Loan to Mr Perkin's daughter E395

ADC policy in respect of loans E396

Questions of privilege E396

Aboriginal home ownership E396

House design for remote locations E397

Guidelines under the rental accommodation program E398 Improvements to Redfern housing situation E398

Housing, enterprise loans policies E398

Houses at the Mission, Wilcannia, NSW E399

Alleged cuts in Queensland ADC housing funds E399

ADC Program 5 - Enterprise Support Services

Housing conference, Rockhampton - delegates E400

- operation of Queensland Aboriginal housing associations E400

- criticism of the Chairman's departure E400

- no confidence motion re ADC Chairman, General Manager E401

- delegation re NSW kangaroo processing enterprise E401 - internal audit re exercise of delegation E402

Funding for Tranby College students' overseas trips E402

ADC Program 7 - Corporate Services

Effects of staffing cuts E403

Previous manpower, financial restrictions E403

Staffing negotiations with Dept. of Finance E404

Analysis of ADC spending in Sydney Morning Herald E404

Australian Government Solicitor's advice on the position of general manager E404

Quorum of ADC Board for formal decisions E405

NOTE

Questions on notice and the answers received to them are available from the Senate Table Office.

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee F presents its Report to the Senate.

1. On 1 September 1988 the Senate referred to the Committee

for examination and report the Particulars of Proposed

Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June 1989,

the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the

year ending on 30 June 1989, and the Advance to the Minister for

Finance for the year ended 30 June 1988 relating to the following

Departments:

Primary Industries and Energy

Community Services and Health

Social Security

2. The Committee has considered these Estimates together with

Departmental Explanatory Notes and has received evidence from the

Minister for Resources (Senator the Honourable Peter Cook), the

Minister for Consumer Affairs (Senator the Honourable Nick

Bolkus) and officers of the Departments concerned. Copies of the

Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of evidence taken by

the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate.

Written answers to guestions taken on notice are tabled in a

separate document entitled Written Replies to Questions Asked

During Estimates Committee F Examination of Proposed Expenditure

for 1988-89.

3. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the

following matters arising from its consideration of the

Estimates:

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Program Budgeting

4. Explanatory Notes were presented in program budgeting

format. All Departments have now had sufficient time to become

fully conversant with this format as it has been over three years

since the program budgeting was introduced on a trial basis. The

Committee has a range of concerns regarding the presentation and

usefulness of the material presented to it in program budgeting

format·

5. The first point to be made concerns the frequent reference

by Departmental officers to other documents which they believed

should be read in conjunction with the Explanatory Notes. While

the Committee has no complaint about the use of other material it

is nonetheless frustrating to be told at the public hearings that

other documentation should be considered. Unfortunately, the

Explanatory Notes did not refer to the need to examine such

documents as Corporate Plans, Annual Reports or Management Plans.

If a clearer and fuller understanding of a particular program or

sub-program may be achieved only by reference to other

documentation, then it is in the interest of the Departments to

ensure that adequate notation is made in the Explanatory Notes.

6. The second matter concerns the linking of Program

Objectives to specific Performance Indicators. On numerous

occasions departmental officers had great difficulty in

identifying which performance indicators were to be used to

assess how well the Department was achieving the objectives of a

particular program or sub-program. Care also should be given to

the actual wording of objectives. Far too often the objectives

are couched in terms which make it impossible to measure, or they

are so broad they simply indicate the wish to do something

without any other parameters, or they outline something that is

beyond the Department's control.

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7. Thirdly, very few programs or sub-programs were able to

show that measures of performance had been undertaken and/or

evaluated. The Committee was told simply that particular

indicators could be used or will be used. The Committee is keen

to see future Explanatory Notes incorporate information showing

performance and evaluation of programs.

8. Finally, the Committee recommends that all Departments

critically examine their selection of performance indicators. Too

many items listed under performance indicators relate to

classification of material or the type of information that may be

collected from which to then evaluate an activity. For example

age, sex, marriage, country of birth do not in themselves

indicate how a program is progressing but rather could provide a

basis for classification or an ordering of material from which to

make the assessment of performance or evaluation.

Annual Reports

9. The Committee thanks the Departments of Community Services

and Health and Social Security for providing draft copies of

their annual reports in time for the Estimates Hearings. The

Department of Primary Industries and Energy informed the

Committee that its annual report was not in a suitable state to

provide a draft copy to the Committee. The Committee reminds

Departments that there is a requirement for all Departments to

provide a draft copy of their annual reports in time for the

Estimates Committee Hearings, if their Annual Report has not

already been tabled in Parliament.

Housekeeping Matters

10. This was the first series of Estimates Committee hearings

to be held in the New Parliament House. While a number of

teething problems could be expected at these hearings, the

Committee believes it is important to draw to the attention of

those in charge the following matters:

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. The acoustics in Senate Committee Room 16 are abysmal

and this resulted in many questions having to be

re-asked or answers re-given. Until the acoustics in

this room are improved, it should not be used for

Estimates Committee hearings, or, indeed, for any other

meetings.

. The ringing of division/quorum bells for four minutes

creates a major disruption to proceedings. There are

several possible solutions. One is to allow the

division bells to be switched off during Committee

hearings, allowing Senators and Members to rely on the

flashing lights only. Secondly, the level of sound

could be diminished. Thirdly, the number of loud

speakers used could be reduced.

. Access to telephones in the ante-rooms off the main

committee rooms poses a problem. Many of these rooms

are still without telephones. Telephones located in the

middle of the committee room are inappropriate for

Public Hearings.

. The self-closing doors to Committee Room 16 need to be

adjusted to enable them to close gradually and without

noise.

General

11. The Committee expresses its appreciation of the assistance

given by the Minister for Resources, the Minister for Community

Affairs and the officials of the three departments who appeared

before the Committee.

Mai Colston (Chairman)

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 7

Thursday, 29 September 1988 at 5.00 p.m. in Senate Suite SI 34, Parliament House

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 5.05 p.m.

2. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: Pursuant to Standing Order 36AB (6), the Committee Secretary called for nominations of a

Government Senator for the position of Chairman. Senator Colston was nominated by Senator Sheil. There being no further nominations, Senator Colston was duly elected and thereupon took the Chair.

3. MANNER OF EXAMINING THE ESTIMATES: The Committee agreed to examine Departments in the following order:

Department of Primary Industries and Energy; Department of Community Services and Health; Department of Social Security;

and to call on proposed expenditure by programs.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.10 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Colston (Chairman), Giles, Shiel and Zakharov. Apologies were received from Senators Peter Baume and Walters.

CONFIRMED:

M. COLSTON CHAIRMAN

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Minutes of Proceedings

No. 8

Thursday, 13 October 1988

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 11.50 a.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 16. The Chairman, Senator Colston, took the Chair.

2. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the Estimates.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 -DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRIES AND ENERGY:

IN ATTENDANCE: Senator Cook, Minister for Primary Industries and Energy, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Primary Industries and Energy

Mr D.J. Ives, Deputy Secretary Mr P. Hunt, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services and Co-ordination Division Mr G.L. Lawless, First Assistant Secretary, Coal and

Nuclear Division Ms F.M. Cassidy, First Assistant Secretary, Crops Division Mr W.G. Macgregor, First Assistant Secretary, Energy

Policy and Program Division Mr P. Sutton, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Mineral Commodities Division Dr A.G. Christie, First Assistant Secretary, Natural Resources Management Division Mr A.C. Smart, First Assistant Secretary, Petroleum

Division Mr J.C. Starkey, First Assistant Secretary, Policy Development Division Mr J.A. Carlson, Principal Advisor, Coal & Nuclear

Division Mr J.L. Sault, Assistant Secretary, Meat & Livestock Branch, Livestock & Pastoral Division Mr L.B. Devin, Assistant Secretary, Water Research and

Programs Branch, Natural Resources Management Division

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Mr D.L. Coutts, Assistant Secretary, Petroleum Policy, Petroleum Division Mr R .A. Calder, Assistant Secretary, Rural & Provincial Affairs Branch, Policy Development Division Mr B.R. Jones, Assistant Secretary, Productivity &

Research Branch, Policy Development Division

Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics

Mr T. Larkin, Acting Director

Australian Fisheries Service

Mr G.C. Gorrie, Director Mr D.R. Barnes, Assistant Director, Policy Development and Services Branch

Australian Safeguards Office

Mr F.L. Bett, Director

Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service

Mr J.G. Murray, Director Mr J.F. Landos, Acting Deputy Director Mr A. Catley, Senior Assistant Director, Plant

Quarantine and Inspection Branch Mr D. Paterson, Assistant Secretary, Charing Policy Branch

Bureau of Mineral Resources

Professor R.W.R. Rutland, Director

Bureau of Rural Resources

Dr G.H. Rothschild, Director

Joint Coal Board

Mr R. Spratt, General Manager Mr L.G. O'Brien, Manager, Finance

Murray Darling Basin Commission

Mr G. Flower, Manager, Administration

The Pipeline Authority

Mr P. Ryan, Executive Member Mr P.G. Treloar, Acting Finance Manager

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Department of Finance

Mr G. Hope, Acting Assistant Secretary, Transport and Industry Division

The Minister made an introductory statement.

The Chairman called on the following programs of

proposed expenditure for consideration by the Committee. The expenditures proposed for these programs are contained in the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure documents:

Program 1 - Industries Development Program 2 - Infrastructure and Support Program 3 - Research and Assessment Program 4 - Co-ordination and Corporate Management

The Committee considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Primary Industries and Energy, subject to undertakings to provide additional information to the Committee.

The following documents were provided at the hearing by officers of the Departments

Interim Responses to Questions on Notice asked by Senator Short, dated 13 October 1988.

Energy 2000 : A National Policy Paper, Canberra, AGPS, May 1988.

Primary Industries and Resources. Policies for Growth. Information Kit, including Policy

Statement, dated May 1988 and copy of joint press statement by the Minister for Primary Industries and Energy (Hon. J. Kerin) and the Minister for Resources (Senator the Hon. P. Cook), dated May 1988.

Brucellosis and Tuberculosis Eradication Campaign (BTEC), one page, undated.

New Fishery Management Initiative, one page, undated.

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4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 -

DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AND HEALTH:

IN ATTENDANCES Senator the Honourable Peter Cook, representing the Minister for Community Services and Health,

accompanied by the following officers.

Department of Community Services and Health

Dr T. Adams, Chief Commonwealth Medical Officer Mr M. Roche, Deputy Secretary Ms M. Murnane, First Assistant Secretary, Community Programs Mr I. Lindenmeyer, First Assistant Secretary,

Hospitals and Community Programs Mr D. Sinclair, Assistant Secretary, Hospitals and Insurance Dr J. Deeble, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Health Benefits Mr M. Johnston, Assistant Secretary, Pharmaceutical Benefits Mr B. Egan, First Assistant Secretary, Housing Services Mr T. Field, Acting Assistant Secretary, Public Housing

and Accommodation Mr T. Slater, First Assistant Secretary, Health Advancement Mr G. James, Assistant Secretary, Drugs of Dependence

Dr R. Madden, First Assistant Secretary, Disability Programs Dr J. Cable, Assistant Secretary, Hearing Services Mr I. Fletcher, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Health, Research and Services Dr R. Gumming, Principal Advisor, Health Research and Services Dr P. Gray, Director, Medical Research Committee Section Mr P. Pflaum, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Therapeutics Dr B. Ashley, Medical Services Advisor, Drug Evaluation Mr K. Riordan, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Mr I. McNeil, Assistant Secretary, Budgets and Planning Mr P. Taylor, First Assistant Secretary, Information

Services Mr T. Mair, Director, Budgets Section Mr B. McDonald, Assistant Secretary, Resource Management Branch

Ms M. Ford, Assistant Secretary, Secretariat

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Australian Institute of Health

Dr L. Smith, Director Dr N. Thomson, Acting Secretary

Health Insurance Commission

Mr B. Wilcox Mr K. Hazell Mr M. Murray

Department of Finance

Ms C. Edmondson, Senior Finance Officer, Social Security Division Ms K. Nienaber, Senior Finance Officer, Social Security Division

The Minister made an introductory statememt.

The Chairman called on the following programs of

proposed expenditure for consideration by the Committee. The expenditures proposed for these programs are contained in the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure documents.

Program 1 - Health Advancement Program 2 - Home and Community Care Program 3 - Residential Care for Older People Program 4 - Assistance for People with Disabilities Program 5 - Therapeutic Goods Program 6 - Health Care Access Program 7 - Housing Program 8 - Services for Families with Children Program 9 - Corporate Management

The following documents were provided at the hearing by the Minister and officers of the Department and are to be incorporated in the volume of Additional Information to be tabled in the Senate:

Guide to the Operation of the NHMRC Regional Grants Interviewing Program, 33 pages, revised 1988.

The following documents were also provided:

Department of Community Services and Health Interim Annual Report 1987-88.

Department of Community Services and Health - Draft Management Plan 1988-89.

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WHO Proposed Program Budget Estimates 1988-89.

Department of Community Services and Health -Staffing by function 1987-88 - 1989-90.

Department of Community Services and Health -End-Year Staffing Targets 1988-89.

Working Plan of Scientific Collaboration in

Cardiovascular area between USSR Cardiology Research Centre and Baker Medical Research

Institute.

The Committee considering Program 1 - Health Advancement -5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.30 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Colston (Chairman), Peter Baume, Giles, Shiel, Walters and Zakharov.

Senators Archer, Harradine and Knowles also participated in the Committee's proceedings.

CONFIRMED:

Mai Colston Chairman

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Minutes of Proceedings

No. 9

Thursday, 20 October 1988

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 2.03 p.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 16. The Chairman, Senator Colston, took the Chair.

2. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the Estimates.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 -DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AND HEALTH:

IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable Peter Cook, representing the Minister for Community Services and Health,

accompanied by the following officers.

Department of Community Services and Health

Dr T. Adams, Chief Commonwealth Medical Officer Mr M. Roche, Deputy Secretary Ms M. Murnane, First Assistant Secretary, Community Programs Mr I. Lindenmeyer, First Assistant Secretary,

Hospitals and Community Programs Mr D. Sinclair, Assistant Secretary, Hospitals and Insurance Dr J . Deeble, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Health Benefits Mr M. Johnston, Assistant Secretary, Pharmaceutical Benefits Mr B. Egan, First Assistant Secretary, Public Housing

and Accommodation Mr T. Slater, First Assistant Secretary, Housing Services Mr T. Field, Acting Assistant Secretary, Health

Advancement Mr G. James, Assistant Secretary, Drugs of Dependence Dr R. Madden, First Assistant Secretary, Disability Programs Dr J. Cable, Assistant Secretary, Hearing Services

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Mr I. Fletcher, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Health, Research and Services Dr M. Pincus, Commonwealth Medical Officer, Standards Section Dr P . Gray, Director, Medical Research Committee Section Mr P . Pflaum, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Therapeutics Dr B . Ashley, Medical Services Advisor, Drug Evaluation Mr K. Riordan, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services

Mr I. McNeil, Assistant Secretary, Budgets and Planning Mr P. Taylor, First Assistant Secretary, Information Services Mr T. Mair, Director, Budgets Section Mr B. McDonald, Assistant Secretary, Resource

Management Branch Ms M. Ford, Assistant Secretary, Secretariat

Australian Institute of Health

Mr R . Harvey Dr N. Thomson, Acting Secretary

Department of Finance

Ms C. Edmondson, Senior Finance Officer, Social Security Division Ms K. Nienaber, Senior Finance Officer, Social Security Division Mr M. Rosser, Senior Finance Officer, Social

Security Division Ms L. Bolton, Finance Officer, Social Security Division

The Committee resumed its examination of the

Department's Estimates. The Chairman called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for

consideration by the Committee. The expenditures proposed for these programs are contained in the

Particulars of Proposed Expenditure documents:

Program 1 Program 2 Program 3 Program 5

Program 6 Program 7 Program 8 Program 9

Program 4

- Health Advancement - Home and Community Care - Residential Care for Older People - Therapeutic Goods

- Health Care Access - Housing - Services for Families with Children - Corporate Management - Assistance for People with Disabilities

The Committee considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance.

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Community Services and Health, subject to undertakings to provide additional information to the Committee.

The following documents were provided at the hearing by the Minister and officers of the Department and are to be incorporated in the volume of Additional Information to be tabled in the Senates

Answers to Questions Taken on Notice at the Senate Estimates Hearing of 13 October 1988, dated

19 October 1988.

Methadone Syrup - Payments 1987-88, 1 page,

undated.

Copy of letter from Peter Singer, Monash University to Mr P. Van Belkom, NHMRC Secretariat, dated

24 February 1988, relating to medical ethics.

Public Service Board Review of Drug Evaluation Procedures, June 1987. Copy of Appendix 10.

The following documents were also provided:

National Health and Medical Research Council 1989 Grants.

National Campaign Against Drug Abuse, copy of Statement on contract with the Kangaroo Creek Gang, 2 pages, undated.

Grants to Peak Bodies and Client Organisations, 1987/88 and 1988/89, 1 page.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 12.46 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Colston (Chairman), Peter Baume, Giles, Shell, Walters and Zakharov.

Senators Archer, Harradine and Knowles also participated in the Committee's proceedings.

CONFIRMED:

Mai Colston Chairman

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THE SENATE

Minutes of Proceedings

No. 10

Friday, 21 October 1988

1. MEETINGi The Committee met in public session at 10.10 a.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 16. The Chairman, Senator Colston, took the Chair.

2. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the Estimates.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1988-89 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1987-88 -

DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SECURITY:

IN ATTENDANCE: Senator the Honourable Nick Bolkus,

representing the Minister for Social Security,

accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Social Security

Mr D. Volker, Secretary Mr V. Rogers, Acting Deputy Secretary Mr J. Humphreys, National Manager, Systems Mr B. Godfrey, First Assistant Secretary,

Resource Management Mr M. Douglas, First Assistant Secretary, Legislation and Review Mr C. Butel, First Assistant Secretary,

Benefits Delivery Mr A. Law, First Assistant Secretary, Applications Dr M. Edwards, First Assistant Secretary, Social Policy Mr A. Herscovitch, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Performance and Control Ms J. Davidson, Acting Assistant Secretary, Budget Policy and Co-ordination Mr S. Spooner, Assistant Secretary, Labour Market

Support and Research Branch Mr J . Regan, Assistant Secretary/ Industrial Relations, Training and Personnel Ms D. Shiff, Acting Assistant Secretary, Child Support

Mr K. Culpitt, Acting Assistant Secretary, Benefits Control

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Mr P . Huxley, Acting Assistant Secretary, Property and Services *

MSt,J · ?ev®n i Acting Assistant Secretary, Ministerial and Public Relations Mr R. Arthur, Acting Assistant Secretary, Resources Stafford, National JET Co-ordinator

Maloney, Director, Finance Estimates McKay, Director, Specialist Policy Unit Jongen, Special Publicity Co-ordinator Kirton, Director, Corporate Planning

Ms Mr Mr Mr Mr

J. G. J. H. J.

Comcare

Mr S. Halley, Chief Executive Officer Mr R. Knapp, Assistant Commissioner, Premiums and Budgets Branch

Department of Community Services and Health

Mr J. Hall, Science 4, Drug Evaluation

Therapeutics Division

Department of Finance

Branch,

Mr S. Helgeby, Administrative Trianee, Program Management and Budgeting Branch

Ms D. Mitchell, Senior Finance Officer, Program Management and Budgeting

Mr M. Bowen, Senior Finance Officer, Social Welfare Branch

Department of Community Services and Health

Mr J. Hall, Science 4, Drug Evaluation Branch, Therapeutics Division

The Minister made an introductory statement.

The Chairman called on the following programs of

proposed expenditure for consideration by the Committee. The expenditures for these programs are contained in the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure documents:

Program 1 - Pensions, Benefits and Allowances Program 2 - Corporate Services Program 3 - Comcare

?he,.1 .Coiri*tee considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance.

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the

proposed expenditure for the Department of Social Security, subject to undertakings to provide additional information to the Committee.

The following documents were provided at the hearing by the Minister and officers of the Department and are to be incorporated in the volume of Additional Information to be tabled in the Senate:

Responses to Questions on Notice asked by Senator Short, dated 20 October 1988.

Fitout program 1988/89 - Cash Allocations COMCARE.

History of Commonwealth Employees Compensation, 2 pages, dated August 1988.

A New Commission, 2 pages, dated July 1988.

Premiums, 3 pages, dated July 1988.

Changes to claims procedures and benefit

provisions, 4 pages, dated August 1988.

Comparison of entitlements, 2 pages, dated 13 June 1988.

Rehabilitation in Comcare - The Case Management Approach, 1 page, undated.

Special conditions, people injured before the new scheme commences, 3 pages, dated August 1988.

Why access to Common Law is being modified,

5 pages, undated.

The following documents were also provided:

Disability Contact Officers Survival Kit - Copy of introduction and contents pages.

Unemployment Benefits Current Monthly Averages - Australia - July 1986-September 1988 - graph.

Minor Works to Upgrade Housing - Northern

Territory.

Young Homeless Allowance - new claims, new grants.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 2.25 p.m.

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5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Colston (Chairman), Peter Baume, Giles, Shiel, Walters and Zakharov.

Senator Harradine also participated in the Committee's proceedings.

CONFIRMED:

Mai Colston Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 11

Tuesday, 1 November 1988

1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at

5.00 p.m. in Senate Suite SI.34. The Chairman, Senator

Colston, took the Chair.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: The Minutes of meetings held on 29 September 1988 (No. 7), 13, 20 and 21 October 1988

(Nos. 8-10), were confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered the

Chairman's draft Report to the Senate.

The Committee resolved that the draft Report be agreed to, subject to the inclusion of a number of amendments.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Colston (Chairman), Peter Baume, Giles, Shiel, Walters and Zakharov.

CERTIFIED CORRECT:

M. COLSTON CHAIRMAN

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INDEX OF ISSUES

RAISED IN PUBLIC HEARINGS

THURSDAY, 13 OCTOBER 1988

THURSDAY, 20 OCTOBER 1988

FRIDAY, 21 OCTOBER 1988

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

Issues raised during Committee hearings held on 13, 20 and 21 October 1988. (page references, Hansard, Estimates Committee F)

DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRIES AND ENERGY

PROGRAM Is INDUSTRIES DEVELOPMENT. Page No.

Chairman's Opening Statement 1-2

Minister's Opening Statement 3

General questions 4-9

1.1 Livestock and Pastoral Subprogram objectives 9-11

Subprogram achievements and outcomes 11-12

Honey Research Council - research grants through the CSIRO 12-13

1.2 Crops Sugar embargo removal and industry adjustment 13-14, 30-31

Plant Variety Rights (PVR) Legislation 14-15

Subprogram objectives 15-16

Tobacco industry - national production goals 16-17

- subsidies 17-18

Horticultural Corporation and Council - membership 18-19

- levies 18-19

International Commodity Organisations 19

1.3 Fisheries Administrative expenses 19-20,29

Fisheries Development Trust Account 20

Pearling Industry 20-21

Fishing Licensing Systems design study 21

Australian Fisheries Magazine 21-22

Fishing licenses and charges 22

'Other' expenditure 22,31

Northern Prawn Fishery Trading Corporation 22-23 North West Shelf deepwater trawl fishery 23

Fishing applications, guildelines on licensing agreements - KKFC, Seanorth and other companies 23-24,26 - Assessment guidelines 24-25,26

Tuna Industry 25-26

North West Shelf, Timor and Arafura management 26

Fishing applications, guidelines and licensing agreements 26-28

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1.4

Subprogram objectives and performance appraisal 28

Southern Shark Fishery 28

Coastal surveillance 28-29

Aquiculture 29

Administrative expenses 29

Industry adjustment 30

Petroleum Subprogram goals 31-32

1.5 Coal Administrative expenses 32

Cooperation with China 33

Subprogram objectives - industry competitiveness 33-34

Performance indicators 34-35

1.6 Nuclear Rum Jungle rehabilitation 35

PROGRAM 2s INFRASTRUCTURE AND SUPPORT 2.1 Natural Resource Management National afforestation program - expenditure, grants, research 35-37

- Bee keepers 38

- guidelines 38-39

- planting locations 39

- climatic change 39

- species suitability 39-40

- royalties, subsidies and export costs 40

- soil conservation 41

- forest products 41

2.2 Rural Adjustment and Services Rural Adjustment Scheme - Review 42

- New administrative arrangements and funding 42-44

2.3 Quarantine and Inspection Australian quarantine protection methods 45

Monitoring imported food 45

Coastal surveillance 46

Cooperation with New Zealand 46

Resource allocation 47

Industry support 47

Health quality v quarantine quality 47-48

Northern Australian quarantine strategy 48

Screw-worm fly 49

Meat industry organochlorin campaign 49-50

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PROGRAM 3s RESEARCH AND ASSESSMENT 3.1 Geoscience Research and Resource Assessment Administrative expenses 61

Research program 62

3.2 Agricultural and Resource Economic Analysis 'Red Book' and other publications 50-51

Stock levels 51

3.3 Rural Research Protection of stock from exotic diseases 52

National Residue Survey 53-54

National meat inspection system 54

Brucellosis and Tuberculosis Eradication Campaign (BTEC) 54-55, 57-58

Fishing - staff resources and expertise 55-56

Plant Variety Rights (PVR) 56-57

Feral animals 57

3.4 Energy Research, Development and Conservation Energy conservation - Parliament House 58-59

Energy audits 59-60

PROGRAM 4s COORDINATION AND CORPORATE MANAGEMENT 4.1 Executive EEO, ID Plans/Programs 60-61

4.2 General Policy Development War Service Land Settlement 62

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders Commission (ATSIC) 63-64

Trade in Services Agreement with New Zealand 64-65

4.4 Corporate Services SES staffing 65

DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AND HEALTH Thursday, 13 and 20 October 1988

PROGRAM Is HEALTH ADVANCEMENT General questions Performance indicators Total Departmental expenditure

Staff resources ABS Health Survey expenditure

66- 67

67- 68

68- 69

69- 73

71

1.1 Drugs Abuse Reduction Subprogram objectives, performance indicators and outcomes 73-74,89

National Campaign Against Drug Abuse 76-89,96-97 Treatment and rehabilitation programs 90-97,99-100,122-123

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'Street wize' comics 86,97-98

Funding to Community organisations 98-99

National Women's health policy discussion paper 99 'Health for All Australians' Report 99

Resource kits and films 100

Kangaroo Creek Gang 102-104,132-133

1.2

1.3

Pharmaceuticals Campaign Pharmaceutical advertising National policy on alcohol

Environmental Health Standards Ionising and non-ionising radiation

Health Promotion and Disease Prevention Dental health Grants in Tasmania Tasmanian Women - death rate National Women's health policy AIDS

Special needs groups - grants Cervical cancer

104- 105 105- 106 106- 107

107,122

107 107 108

109,116

110-111,112-114 111

111-112,146 114- 115 115- 116

1.4

1.5

1.6

Transfer of nurse education to colleges Westmead Hospital - family planning grant Subprogram goals and targets - preventative health

Research NHMRC grants IVF Embryo experimentation law Australian Institute of Health (AIH)

Common National Reporting Criteria for health problems National survey of health information sources Women's health Adelaide University - Dental Statistics

Research Unit Drug RU486 evaluations Drug ZK98-734

International Health Russian Cooperative program

Program Management - Health Advancement Aboriginal health strategy ATSIC legislation

116-117

77

83-84,117-120 120

120 121 121

122

123-124 124

77-82

124

124-125

Thursday, 20 October 1988

PROGRAM 2: HOME AND COMMUNITY CARE General Auditor-General's Report Volunteer centre funding

125

125-126 126

300

2.1 Home and Community Care Services Veterans' Entitlements Act - sexual discrimination 127

Domiciliary nursing care benefit 127

Office for the Aged and Office of Disability 127-129 Administrative procedures 129

Grants 129-130

PROGRAM 3s RESIDENTIAL CARE FOR OLDER PEOPLE 3.1 Assessment National multidisciplinary assessment services 130-132

3.3 Quality of Residential Care Persons in nursing homes

3.4 Program Management - Residential Care for Older People Administrative expenses

129

133,159

PROGRAM 5s THERAPEUTIC GOODS Surface disinfectant Phoraid EZ Detect Rotavirus vaccine Drug trial ethics Roll-on anti-smoking device Therapeutic Goods draft bill Drug evaluation procedures review National Drug Register

Staff resources Generic drugs - quick evaluation Drug description and pricing

133- 134 134- 135 135 136,137

136 137

137-141,144-145 138-139 139-140,141 142,143-144

142-143

PROGRAM 6s HEALTH CARE ACCESS 6.3 Financial Support and Service Providers Alternative means of financing health services

'Health Care Markets' policy discussion paper Alternative modalities - benefit assessment Medicare pathology rebates - sexually transmitted diseases

Health Insurance Commission - release of information on doctors charging policies Expenditure on abortions

145 145

145- 146

146

146- 149

149

6.1 Financial Support to Individuals Testing for bone density Health insurance - pre existing ailment rule

- Health Australia Medicare Benefits Schedule - revision

149

149-150 150 155

6.2 Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme Cost savings on restricting 53 drugs 151,152

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Staff resources 1 5 1

Authority prescription books 151

Pharmaceutical companies - Research and development 152

Pricing policies on drugs 152-153

Pharmacists remuneration and accounts 153-155 Administrative expenses 156

6.4 Health Services Provision Retirement on ill health - procedures, disputes 157-158

Employment policy for HIV positive people 158

HIV testing 159

PROGRAM 7: HOUSING 7.1 Home Ownership First Home Ownership Scheme - expenditure 159

Funding for Aborigines 160

7.3 Crisis Accommodation International Year of Shelter for the Homeless 160-161

Aboriginal housing 161

7.4 Program Management - Housing Commonwealth State Housing Agreement -impact of ATSIC legislation 161-162

PROGRAM 8: SERVICES FOR FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN 8.1 Child Care Private child care - costs 162

Comparative child care costs and subsidies 162-163 Victorian Children's Services Centres Regulations 163

Centre-based care - costs, parental incomes 163-164

8.2 Program Management - Child Care Annual child care census 164

Children's Services Planning Committees 164

1988-89 reviews 165

Child care quality study 165

Out of school hours care 165

PROGRAM 9: CORPORATE MANAGEMENT 9.1 Community Advisory and Resource Services Impact of ATSIC legislation 166

Staff resources 167

9.2 Program Management Expenditure rearrangements 166-167

Staff resources 167

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Support to peak bodies and client organisations 167-168

'Miscellaneous' expenditure 168

Departmental accommodation 169

PROGRAM 4: ASSISTANCE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES Auditor-General's Report 169-171

4.1 Accommodation Funding priorities 171-172

4.2 Employment Organisations providing disability services - funding, education, employment programs 172-173 Employment of people with disabilities 173

Sheltered Workshops/supported employment 174-177 Early aging of people with disabilities 177

Employment of people with severe disabilities 178-179 Employment ratios within Department 179-180

Upgrading existing services 180

Equipment and maintenance funding 181-182

Tax relief provisions 182-183

CETP programs 183-184

Workshop funding and services 184-185

Integration of disability services 186

Funding strategies 187

4.6 Program Management - Disabilities Salary subsidies and block grants 187-188

DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SECURITY

Friday, 21 October 1988

Chairman's Opening Statement 190

Minister's Opening Statement 190

PROGRAM Is PENSIONS, BENEFITS AND ALLOWANCES 1.1 Income Security for the Aged Program objectives Pensions supplementary income

1.2 Income Security for the Disabled Invalid veteran pensioners - sexual discrimination Departmental budget Rehabilitation expenditure

1.3 Income Security for Widows and Sole Parents Child Support Agency 'Adopting' Legislation - Western Australia

191

193-195

195-197 197 197

197-198 198

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198 Administrative expenses Sole parent pensioners - cessation of pension eligibility, reviews and counselling 199-203 Subprogram objectives and performance

indicators 203-204,207-209

Young homeless allowance 204-206

Unemployment and sickness benefit payments 206-207,219-220

1.5 Income security for Families and Children Elimination of child poverty 209-210

Family allowance supplement 210-211

1.8 Payments Delivery and Entitlements Review Feedback from clients and community groups 211 ATSIC Legislation implications 211-212

PROGRAM 2: CORPORATE SERVICES 2.2 Work Environment Management Accommodation 212-213

Disability Contact Officer Survival Kit 213,215-216,216-218

EEO 213

People with disabilities 214

COMCARE, rehabilitation 214

2.3 Computing Infrastructure Administrative expenses 214

Stratplan 214,221

New capital works program 214-215,216

PROGRAM 3: COMMISSION FOR THE SAFETY, REHABILITATION AND COMPENSATION OF COMMONWEALTH EMPLOYEES (COMCARE) Administrative Changes 221

Processing of Compensation claims 222

Defence force compensation 222-223

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