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Estimates - Senate Committees - Reports, together with Hansard record of proceedings - Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure (Additional Estimates) - Year - 1970-71 - Estimates Committee A [Hansard record of proceedings not presented]

THE PARLIAMENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA 1971-Par/iamentary Paper No. 69

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEES A, B, C, D and E

REPORTS TO THE SENATE

ON

EPARTMENTAL ADDITIONAL ESTIMATES 1970- 71

Brought up and ordered to be printed 29 Apri/ 1971

CO.l\1MONWEALTH GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE CANBERRA: 1971

Printed by Authority by the G overnment Printer of the Commonwealth of Australia

CONTENTS

1. RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE-7 April 1971

2. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A­

Report Minutes of Proceedings 1971-27 April 28 April

3. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B­ Report Minutes of Proceedings 1971-20 April

22 April 29 April

4. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C­

Report Minutes of Proceedings 1971 -20 April 22 April

28 April 29 April

5. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D­ Report Minutes of Proceedings 1971 -21 April

22 April 28 April 29 April

6. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E­

Report Minutes of Proceedings 1971-21 April

27 April

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RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE

RESOLUTION PASSED ON 7 APRIL 1971

PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1970--71-PAPERS: The Minister for Works (Senator Wright) laid upon the Table the following Papers, by Command of His Excellency the Governor-General:

Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year Ending 30 June 1971: and

Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1971.

Reference to Estimates Committee: Senator Wright moved, by leave-(1) That the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year Ending 30 June 1971, and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1971 be

referred herewith to Estimates Committees A, B, C, D and E for examination and report.

(2) That the Committees deal with the departmental estimates as follows: Estimates Committee A: Department of Supply Parliament

Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Department of Defence Department of the Treasury Department of the Vice-President of the Executive Council

Estimates Committee B: Department of Health Attorney-General's Department Postmaster-General's Department Department of Immigration Department of Social Services (including Aboriginal Affairs)

Estimates Committee C: Department of Works (and Tourist Activities) Department of Foreign Affairs Department of Education and Science Department of Labour and National Service

Department of External Territories Department of Housing

Estimates Committee D : Department of Civil Aviation Department of Trade and Industry Department of National Development Department of Shipping and Transport Department of Customs and Excise

Department of the Interior

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Estimates Committee E: Department of Air Department of Primary Industry Department of the Army Department of Repatriation Department of the Navy (3) That the Committees report to the Senate on or before 27 April 1971.

Debate ensued.

Senator Wright, by leave, amended paragraph (3) of his motion to read­ (3) That the Committees report to the Senate on or before 29 April 1971.

Motion, as amended, agreed to.

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

1971

Report and Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee

29 April 1971

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MEMBERS

Senator Sir Magnus Cormack, K.B.E. (Chairman)

Senator the Hon. V. C. Gair

Senator G . Georges

Senator J. B. Keeffe

Senator L. K. Murphy, Q.C.

Senator E. W. Prowse

Senator J. P. Sim

Senator H. W. Young

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister: Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson)

Document* Page Division Department

No.

A 56-57 720- 746 Supply 0 0 0 . 0 0 ..

A 3--4 101-109 Parliament 0 0 0. . .

A 34-36 430,434 Prime Minister and Cabinet 0 0

43 6, 440, 442,450, 454,456, 459

A 49 600-616 Defence . . 0 0 0 0 0 0

A 44--45 540-552 Treasury . . 0 0 00 ..

B 6-7 915-917 Treasury .. 0 0 .. 0 0

A 46 431, 438, Vice-President of the Executive Council

448, 543, 565

Amount

$

5, 798,600 431,100 1,741,300

643,200 5,225,300 6,164,400 270,250t

* Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971 '.

* Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1971'.

t Being $283,700 less $13,450-Division 444-0ffice of Aboriginal Affairs, to be examined by Senate Estimates Committee B.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee A has the honour to present its report to the Senate.

On 7 April 1971, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Estimates for the year 1970-71, relating to the following: The Department of Supply, The Parliament,

The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, The Department of Defence, The Department of the Treasury, and The Department of the Vice-President of the Executive Council.

The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates, and has received satisfactory and detailed explanations of them from the Minister for Supply, Senator the Ron. Sir Kenneth Anderson (and, during his unavoidable absence, from the Minister for Air, Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman) and officers of the Depart­ ments concerned.

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings is tabled with this Report for the informati on of the Senate. The Hansard reports of the evidence are not yet available and will be distributed to Senators in due course.

Arising from its deliberations, the Committee makes the following comments-(a) During its consideration of Division 101, relating to the Senate, the Commit­ tee's attention was drawn to the lack of parliamentary drafting assistance to private Senators. There is no provision on the Senate staff for the appoint­

ment of a specially qualified officer to assist Senators in drafting Bills or amendments to Bills, and the existing situation was explained to the Committee by the Clerk of the Senate. The Minister for Supply undertook to refer th e matter to the President of the Senate for his consideration.

(b) At the second sitting of the Committee, on 28 April, the Leader of the Opposi ­ tion, Senator Murphy, attended briefly, explained to the Committee the non-attendance at that session of members of the Opposition, and indicated that other commitments in the Senate prevented their attendance.

(c) In answer to Senators' questions, several matters arose which require more care, and they will be found in the Hansard reports of the Committee's proceedings.

The Committee records its appreciation of the assistance given by Ministers and the officers of the various departments whose additional estimates the Committee considered.

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MAGNUS CORMACK Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 6 TUESDAY, 27 APRIL 1971

1. MEETING : The Committee met in public session in the Senate Chamber at 8 p .m. 2. MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE : The Chairman (Senator Sir Magnus Cormack) informed the Committee that, on Wednesday, 21 April, the President

of the Senate had announced to the Senate the receipt of a letter from the Leader of the Opposition appointing Senator Keeffe to be a member of the Committee in the place of Senator D . McClelland. 3. CORRESPONDENCE FROM MINISTER: The Chairman read a letter fro m

the Minister for Supply, Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, forwarding, fo r the information of members of the Committee, an explanation in relation to comment made in the Committee during the consideration of the Annual Esti­ mates last year. The explanation related to Division 436-High Commissioner's Office, United Kingdom-and was an extract from a letter received by the Minister

from the Prime Minister. Ordered: That the explanation be incorporated in the daily Hansard.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE: Pursuant to the Order of the Senate, on 7 April 1971 , the Committee proceeded to consider the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971 and the

Particulars of Propo:;ed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1971, relating to the following departmental estimates :

Division

Document* Page No. Department Amount

$

A 56-57 720-746 Supply . . . . . . .. 5,798,600

A 3-4 101-109 Parliament . . . . .. .. 431 ,100

A 34-36 430,434, Prime Minister and Cabinet . . .. 1,741,300

436, 440, 442,450, 454, 456, 459

A 49 600-616 Defence . . .. . . . . 643 ,200

A 44-45 540- 552 Treasury . . . . . . . . 5,225,300

B 6-7 915- 917 Treasury . . .. .. . . 6,164,400

A 46 431 , 438 , Vice-President of the Executive Council . . 270,250 t

448, 543, 565

• Document A- 'Particulars of Proposed Provision fo r Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971 '. • Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1971 '. t Being $283,700 less $13,45{}-Division 444-0ffice of Aboriginal Affairs,

to be examined by Senate Estimates Committee B.

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The Chairman called on Divisions 720-746, Department of Supply, $5,798,600. Appearing: Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply, accom­ panied by Mr D. J. O'Conner, Deputy Secretary, Department of Supply, Mr R. Gray, Assistant Secretary (Accounting and Supply Division), Department of the Treasury. Also in attendance: Mr K. McKnown, Assistant Secretary, (Finance), Department of Supply, Mr J. J. Mason, Acting Director (Programmes and Estimates), Depart­ ment of Supply, Mr A. L. Ray and Mr R. Caldwell, Senior Finance Officers (Accounting and Supply Division) Department of the Treasury. Sir Kenneth Anderson made a general statement on the form of the documents before the Committee, and the explanatory notes circulated by him in connection with the Departments with which the Committee would deal.

The following Divisions were considered by the Committee-

Division 720-Administrative Division 722-Government Factories-Maintenance of Production Capacity Division 727-Antarctic Division Division 729-Defence Research and Development Establishments Division 735-Furniture Removals and Storage Division 738-Production Development Division 739-Production Assistance for Light Helicopters Division 741-Repairs and Maintenance Division 746--Rent

$

1,203 ,000

702,000 24,600 1,683,000 576,000

767,000 817,000 20,000 6,000

The Chairman then called on Divisions 101- 109, Parliament, $431,100. Appearing, with the Minister: Mr J. R. Odgers, Clerk of the Senate, Mr R. G. Mair, Administrative Officer, Department of the Senate, Mr M. W. Rosser, Senior Parliamentary Officer, Department of the Senate. The following Divisions were considered by the Committee:

$

Division I 01-Senate 63,200

The Leader of the Opposition (Senator Murphy) drew attention to the lack of parliamentary drafting assistance to private Senators, and the Committee agreed that reference should be made in the Committee's Report to the existing situation. $

Division 102-House of Representatives 142,800

5. ADJOURMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.13 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Sir Magnus Cormack (Chairman), Senators Georges, Keeffe, Murphy, Prowse, Sim and Young, there being a quorum present throughout the sitting.

CONFIRMED

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MAGNUS CORMACK Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEDDINGS No. 7 WEDNESDAY, 28 APRIL 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in Senate Committee Room L.17 at 5.40 p.m.

2. A TIENDANCE OF MINISTER: In the unavoidable absence of the Minister for Supply, Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, the Minister for Air, Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, D.F.C., attended to assist the Committee.

3. RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE : The Chairman reported that the Senate had agreed, earlier in the day, that the Committee should have leave to sit during the sitting of the Senate today.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE: The Committee continued its consideration of the particulars of proposed additional expenditure for the Parliament. Appearing: The Minister for Air, Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman; Mr

W. Bridgman, Principal Parliamentary Reporter; Mr F. W. Temperly, Admini­ strative Officer, Parliamentary Reporting Staff; Mr M. J. Brudenall, Principal Librarian, Legislative Reference Service, Parliamentary Library; Mr R . W. Hillyer, Secretary, Joint House Department; Mr R. L. Burrell, Chief Executive Officer, Joint House Department; Mr R. Gray, Treasury Representative. Also in attendance: Mr M. J. Bray, Administrative Officer, Parliamentary Library.

The following Divisions were considered by the Committee-

Division 103-Parliamentary Reporting Staff .. Division 104-Library Division 105-Joint House Department Division lOS-Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works Division 109-Joint Committee of Public Accounts

$

104,100 61,600 57,000 1,200

1,200

The Chairman then called on Divisio ns 430, 434, 436, 440, 442, 450, 454, 456 and 459-Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, $1 ,741,300. Appearing with the Minister: Mr P. H . Bailey, Mr J. G . Hinton and Mr W. Weidner of the Department of the Prime Minister and the Cabinet ; Mr J. K. Lawrence ,

First Assistant Auditor-General ; Mr W. Morphett, Acting Controller, Auditor­ General's Office; Mr F. C. Nordeck, First Assistant Commissioner, Public Service Board; Mr H. B. MacDonald, Assistant Commissioner, Public Service Board ; Mr R. Allen, Public Service Board ; Mr R. Gray, Treasury Representative.

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The following Divisions were considered by the Committee:

Division 430-Administrative Division 434-Ministers of State, Leaders of the Opposition and Parliamentary Parties and Staffs Division 436--Higb Commissioner's Office, U.K. Division 440-0fficial Establishments Division 442-Governor-General's Office Division 450-Commonwealtb Grants Commission Division 454-Auditor-General's Office Division 456--Public Service Board .. Division 459-Australian Security Intelligence Organization

The Chairman then called on Divisions 600-616--Department of $643,200.

$

100,100

17,500 491,800 1,900 6,600

6,500 332,000 641,900 143,000

Defence,

Appearing with the Minister: Mr L. V. Hume, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Department of Defence; Mr H. F. Daly, Finance Officer, Department of Defence ; Mr R. W. Beaver, Acting Assistant Secretary (Management Services), Department of Defence; Mr R. Gray, Treasury Representative. Also in attendance: Mr J. A. Huggins, Senior Executive Officer, (Finance and Personnel), Mr J. J. Corrigan, Chief Executive Officer (Services Personnel), Mr R. Holt, Chief Executive Officer, (Defence Planning), Mr D. N. Tuohy, Acting Principal Executive Officer (Programme and Estimates), and Brig. R. K. Roseblade Director-General of Recruiting-all of the Department of Defence. Statement by the Leader of the Opposition, Senator Murphy: Senator Murphy, accompanied by Senators Georges and McClelland, attended the meeting, and Senator Murphy made a statement to the Committee indicating that be and other Opposition Senators would be unable to continue further in attendance, as they bad other commitments in the Senate Chamber.

The Committee considered the following Divisions:

Division 600--Adrninistrative Division 602-Recruiting Campaign Division 616-Rent

$

619,700 9,500 14,000

The Chairman then called on Divisions 540-552, Department of the Treasury, $5,225,300. Appearing with the Minister: Mr C. Grant, Director (Establishments and Finance) , and Mr K. Corbett, Finance Officer, Department of the Treasury; Mr K. Myers, First Assistant Secretary, and Mr M. McPherson, Director (Establishments), Taxation Office; Mr D. Hume, Director, (Services Section), Superannuation and

Defence Forces Retirement Benefits Boards; Mr J. G. Miller, Deputy Common­ wealth Statistician ; Mr F. D. Bagley, Assistant Statistician, (Services); Mr J. D. Moore, Assistant Secretary (Commonwealth-State Financial Relations), Depart­ ment of the Treasury; Mr R. Gray, Treasury Representative.

Also in attendance: Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer, Mr. R. Caldwell, Senior Finance Officer, Department of the Treasury.

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The following Divisions were considered by the Committee-

Division 540-Administrative Division 546- Commonwealth Taxation Office Division 548-Taxation Boards of Review Division 550-0ffice of the Superannuation and Defence Forces

Retirement Benefits Boards Division 552- Bureau of Census and Statistics

$

608,800 3,439,900 1,900

87,700 1,087,000

The Chairman then called on Divisions 431 , 438, 448, 543 and 565-Department of the Vice-President of the Executive Council, $270,250. Appearing with the Minister: Mr R. N. Townsend, and Mr J. J. Hinton, of the Department of the of the Executive Council; Mr W. M. Richardson,

Assistant National Librarian, Mr G. E. Clark, Director (Establishments), National Library; Mr N. M. Boyle, Assistant Controller, Australian Government Publish­ ing Services; Mr R . Gray, Treasury Representative.

The following Divisions were considered by the Committee:

Division 565-Administrative Division 431-Assistance for the Arts Division 438- Commonwealth Archives Office Division 448-National Library of Australia ..

Division 543-Australian Government Publishing Service

$

6,450 28,500 125,900 38,000

71,400

Th e Minister and Departmental Officers and Members of the Press and Public withdrew. Deliberative meeting 5. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee discussed the form and

content of the report to be presented to the Senate. It wa ' agreed that a draft report should be prepared and circulated to members, which would be finall y considered and approved before presentation.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.40 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: The foll owing members of the Committee were present: Senator Sir Magnus Cormack (Ch airman), Senators Gair, Georges , Murphy, Prowse, Sim and Young, there being a quorum present throughout the sitting.

CONFIRMED

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MAGNUS CORMACK Chairman

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ENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

1971

Report and Minutes of P r oceedings of the Committee

29 April 1971

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MEMBERS

Senator G. S. Davidson (Chairman)

Senator G . H. Branson

Senator J . F. Fitzgerald

Senator A. G . E. Lawrie

Senator J. A. Little

Senator James McClelland

Senator J . A. Mulvihill

Senator I. A. C. Wood

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C.)

Document* Page Division Department Amount

No.

s

A 19-20 Health .. . . . . . . 1,661,800

B 4 842 Health .. . . . . . . 113,000

A 5-9 Attorney-General's . . .. . . 665,200

A 32 405 Postmaster-General's . . .. .. 2,512,000

B 5 Postmaster-General's .. . . . . 12,146,000

A 22-23 Immigration .. . . . . .. 3,223,300

A 41 500 Social Services .. . . . . 4, 729,000

B 6 901 Social Services .. . . . . 66,000

A 46 444 Office of Aboriginal Affairs .. .. 13,450

• Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971'.

• Document B--'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1971 '.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

1. Estimates Committee B has the honour to Report to the Senate.

2. On 7 April1971, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Depart-mental Estimates for the year 1970-71 relating to the following Departments: Health Attorney-General's

Postmaster-General 's Immigration

Social Services (including Aboriginal Affairs).

3. The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Health and officers of the Departments concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and the Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 3) 1970-71 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 4) 1970-71.

4. The Committee places on record its appreciation of the explanations provided by the Minister and his Departmental advisers during the enquiries. However it regrets the fact tht the explanatory statements which departments prepared for the information of the Committee Members were not distributed early enough to allow

members to digest them before asking questions. In this regard the Committee accepts the Minister's assurance that this will be rectified when Estimates next come before the Committee.

5. Some difficulty was experienced by Committee Members in that the documents under consideration, unlike the Annual Particulars of Proposed Expenditure State­ ments, did not contain columns setting out last year" expenditure and the original appropriation. If there are no practical difficulties the Committee suggests that it would be advantageous if these figures could be available when on future occasions the Committee considers Additional Estimates.

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GORDON S. DAVIDSON Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.7

TUESDAY, 20 APRIL 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 8 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Davidson) took the Chair.

2. RESOLUTIONS OF THE SENATE: Resolutions of the Senate of 7 April1971 relating to the reference of Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure 1970-71 to Estimates Committees and the re-arrangement of Departments to be considered by the Committees were, reported by the Chairman, as follows:

(1) That the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year Ending 30 June 1971 and the Particualrs of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1971 be referred herewith to Estimates Committees A, B, C,

D and E for examination and report.

(2) That the Committees deal with the departmental estimates as follows:

Estimates Committee A: Department of Supply Parliament Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Department of Defence Department of the Treasury Department of the Vice-President of the Executive Council

Estimates Committee B: Department of Health Attorney-General's Department Postmaster-General's Department Department of Immigration Department of Social Services (including Aboriginal Affairs)

Estimates Committee C : Department of Works (and Tourist Activities) Department of Foreign Affairs Department of Education and Science Department of Labour and National Service Department of External Territories Department of Housing

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Estimates Committee D: Department of Civil Aviation Department of Trade and Industry Department of National Development Department of Shipping and Transport Department of Customs and Excise Department of the Interior

Estimates Committee E: Department of Air Department of Primary Industry Department of the Army Department of Repatriation Department of the Navy

(3) That the Committees report to the Senate on or before 29 April 1971.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Minister for Health, accompanied by: Dr L. J. Wienholt, Deputy Director-General Mr D. J. Dunlop, First Assistant Director-General, Management Services and

Benefits Division Mr L. J. Daniels, First Assistant Director-General, Health Insurance and Benefits Division Mr R. G. Walton, Director, Finance Mr W. G. May, Senior Project Officer, A.C.T. Health Services Mr P. R. Griffin, Chief Accountant, Finance Section Mr E. G. Campbell, Treasury Representative.

Paper: Senator Greenwood submitted the following paper:

Commonwealth Department of Health­ Appropriation Bills (Nos. 3 and 4) 1970-71 -Explanatory Statements

The Chairman called on the following Divisions : Divisions 290-294-Department of Health (Document A) Division 842- Department of Health (Document B)

Membership of Committee: The Chairman reported that he had received advice of the resignation of Senator Douglas McClelland and the appointment of Sen ator James McClelland to Estimates Committee B. The Chairman welcomed Sen ator James McClelland to the Committee.

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The following particulars of preposed expenditure were considered by the Committee: $

Division 290.-Administrative I.-Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary 420,000

Ordered, on the motion of Senator Fitzgerald-That the explanations of expen­ diture under Division 290 item 101, Salaries and allowances, contained in the paper tabled by the Minister, be incorporated in Hansard. 2.-Adrninistrative Expenses 154,900

Senator Murphy moved-That further consideration of item 201, Travelling and subsistence-$10,000---be deferred, until such time as certain material requested by Senator Turnbull, relating to travel overseas by the Director-General of Health, is made available to the Committee.

Debate ensued. The Committee divided-Ayes Little

McClelland Mulvihill Item 201 deferred accordingly. 3.-0ther Services

Noes

Davidson Lawrie

Division 292.-Australian Capital Territory Health Services Division 294.-Northern Territory Health Services

1,300 482,300 583,300

Consideration of proposed expenditure for Department of Health concluded, with the exception of deferred item 201-Travelling and subsistence-$10,000.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR ATTORNEY-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT: Appearing Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Minister for Health, accompanied by : Mr H. T. Bennett, First Assistant Secretary;

Mr K . E. Edmonds, First Assistant Secretary; Mr R . Phillips, Acting Assistant Secretary; Mr R. A. Jenkins, Director, Management Services; Mr K . N. Geary, Senior Finance Officer; Mr J. Munro, Senior Assistant Parliamentary Counsel;

Mr K . Collings, Assistant Commissioner; Mr A . L. Ray, Treasury Representative. The Chairman called on the following Divisions : Divisions 130-134-Attorney-General's Department (Document A) T he following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered by the

Committee :

Division 130.- Administrative Division 131.-0ffice of Parliamentary Counsel

Consideration continuing.

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$

87,500 7,100

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10. I I p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present :

Senators Davidson, Fitzgerald, Little, James McClelland, Mulvihill, Withers (6).

Senators Murphy and Turnbull also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

CONFIRMED

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GORDON S. DAVIDSON Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.8

THURSDAY, 22 APRIL 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 8 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Davidson) took the Chair.

2. MEMBERSHIP OF COMMITTEE: The Chairman reported that he had received advice of the resignation of Senator Withers and the appointment of Senator Branson to Estimates Committee B. The Chairman welcomed Senator Branson to the Committee.

3. POSTPONEMENT: It was resolved that further consideration of additional estimates for the Attorney-General's Department be postponed until after the consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Postmaster-General's Department.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE POSTMASTER-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C. , Minister for Health, accom­ panied by:

Mr J. A. McNamara, Secretary; Mr B. Connolly, Assistant Secretary. from the Australian Broadcasting Control Board: Mr P. A. Dorrian, Controller, Management Services;

Mr B. Reid, Federal Controller, Radio Programmes; Mr C. Dean, Federal Director of Television Programmes; Mr R. G. Gifford, Assistant Controller, Management Services (Finance). from the Australian Broadcasting Commission:

Mr D. G. McQuitty, Senior Assistant Director-General (Finance and Accounting); Mr J. R. Smith, Deputy Assistant Director-General (Commercial, Postal Services);

Mr F. L. C. Taylor, A&sistant Director-General, Engineering Services; Mr L. Sebire, Sectional Engineer, Radio. from the Australian Post Office; Mr A. B. Smith, Treasury Representative. Paper: Senator Greenwood submitted the follo wing paper:

Additional Estimates 1970--71-Postmaster-General's Department­ Explanations.

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The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Division 405-Postmaster-General's Department (Document A) Divisions 870-872-Psotmaster-General's Department (Document B)

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Division 405.-Broadcasting and Television Services Division 870.-Capital Works and Services Division 872.-Capital Works and Services-Broadcasting and Television Services

s

2,512,000 12,000,000

146,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Postmaster-General's Department concluded.

5. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT RESUMED: Appearing: Senator the Hon .1. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Minister for Health, accompanied by:

Mr H. T. Bennett, First Assistant Secretary; Mr K. E. Edmunds, First Assistant Secretary; Mr R. Phillips, Acting Assistant Secretary; Mr R. A. Jenkins, Director, Management Services; Mr K. N. Geary, Senior Finance Officer; Mr J. Munro, Senior Assistant Parliamentary Counsel; Mr K. Collings, Assistant Commissioner; Mr A. L. Ray, Treasury Representative.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Division 130.-Administrative Division 131. -Office of Parliamentary Counsel Division 132.-Reporting Branch Division 133.-Crown Solicitor's Offices

Division 134.-High Court Division 136.-Bankruptcy Administration Division 137.-Conciliation and Arbitration Division 138.- Patent, Trade Marks and Design Office . . Division 140.-0ffice of the Commissioner of Trade Practices Division 141.-Commonwealth Police Force .. Division 142.-Australian Police College Division 143.-Australian Capital Territory Courts and Regis­

tration Offices .. Division 144.-Northern Territory Courts and Registration Offices

$

87,500 7,100 37,100 62,700

44,700 66,000 86,500 94,600 10,500 57,200

10,700

60,400 40,200

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Attorney-General's Department concluded.

6. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION: Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J . Greenwood, Q. C., Minister for Health, accompanied by : Mr S. J. Dempsey, First Assistant Secretary, Planning, Research and Informa-

tion Division ; Mr T. T. McElroy, Director, Finance and General Services ; Mr A. L. Barclay, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch; Mr R. U . Metcalfe, Assistant Secretary, Operations Branch ;

Mr E. L. Charles, Assistant Secretary, Integration Branch; Mr W. E. Law, Director, Migrant Accommodation; Mr D. R. White, Treasury Representative.

Paper: Senator Greenwood submitted the following paper:

Statement for Estimates Committee B-Department of Immigration-Additional Appropriation 1970-71.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions:

Divisions 330-332-Department of Immigration (Document A)

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Division 330.-Administrative Division 332.-0verseas Services

$

2,731,900 491,900

Consideration of proposed expenditure fo r the Department of Immigration concluded.

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.09 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed .

8. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present:

Senators Branson, Davidson, Fitzgerald, Lawrie, Little, J. McClelland, Mulvihill, Wood (8) .

Senator Prowse also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

CONFIRMED

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GORDON S. DAVIDSON Chairman

285

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.9

THURSDAY, 29 APRIL 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 11.30 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Davidson) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH RESUMED : Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Minister for Health, accompanied by:

Dr L. J. Wienholt, Deputy Director-General Mr R. G. Walton, Director of Finance Mr P. R. Griffin, Chief Accountant Mr R. Gray, Treasury Representative.

The Chairman called on deferred Item 210 of Division 290---Travelling and Subsistence-$10,000.

The Chairman reported that be bad received from the Minister for Health the information which was requested by the Committee and by Senator Turnbull and further that this information had been distributed to Senator Turnbull and all members of the Committee.

Consideration of the proposed expenditure concluded.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES : Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Minister for Health, accompanied by:

Mr L. B. Hamilton, Director-General Mr R. G. Williams, First Assistant Director-General (Management) Mr C. Calvert, Acting Assistant Director-General (Operations) Mr A. F. Sykes, Director (Establishments) Mr J. A. Lucas, Director (Aged Persons Homes) Mr J. Mahoney, Assistant Director (Policy)

Mr R. Gray, Treasury Representative.

Paper: Senator Greenwood submitted the following paper:

Commonwealth Department of Social Services-Explanatory Notes for Additional Estimates of Expenditure for year ending 30 June 1971.

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The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Division 500---Department fo Social Services (Document A) Division 901-Department of Social Services (Document B)

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Division 500.-Administrative Division 901.-Payments to or for the States ..

$

4,729,000 66,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Social Services concluded.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE OFFICE OF ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, representing the Minister for Health, accompanied by:

Mr B. G. Dexter Mr J. G. Hinton Mr R. Huey Mr R. Gray, Treasury Representative.

Paper: Senator Cotton submitted the following paper: Information for Senate Estimates Committees-Additional Estimates April 1971-0ffice of Aboriginal Affairs. The Chairman called on the following Division:

Division 444-0ffice of Aboriginal Affairs (Document A) The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Division 444.-0ffice of Aboriginal Affairs

$

13,450

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Office of Aboriginal Affairs concluded.

5. The Committee, having completed its consideration of particulars of proposed additional expenditure referred to it by the Senate, the Minister, Department Officers, members of the Press and public withdrew.

6. DELIBERATIVE MEETING: The Committee resolved on the motion of Senator Little that the Draft Report be adopted.

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5 minutes past 12 o'clock mid-day.

8. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Branson, Davidson, Little and J. McClelland (4)

CONFIRMED

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GORDON S. DAVIDSON Chairman

2B7

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

1971

Report and Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee

29 April 1971

23 8

Document * Page

A 47-48

B 7

A 59

A 17-18

B 3

A 12-14

B 3

A 58

A 29

A 58

A 59

A 59

A 59

A 15-16

B 3

A 21

B 4

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MEMBERS

Senator C. L. Laucke (Chairman)

Senator R. Bishop

Senator N. E. Buttfield

Senator C. B. Byrne

Senator B. R. Milliner

Senator P. E. Rae

Senator D. R. Willesee

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright)

Division Department No.

580-584 Works . . .. . .

925 Works . . .. . .

. .

. .

765 Civil Defence-Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture .. . . . .

250-252 Foreign Affairs .. . . . .

830 Foreign Affairs .. . . . .

230-246 Education and Science .. ..

825 Education and Science . . . . ..

750 National Service-Vocational Training-University Courses . . ..

370-372 Labour and National Service . . . .

755 Administration of the N ational Service

Act . . .. . . . .

757 National Service-Vocational Training-Technical Training . . ..

758 Commonwealth Hostels Limited-Build-ings, Works and Equipment-Exmouth Guest House . . . . . .

759 Commonwealth Hostels Limited-Con-tribution to Operational Expenses-Exmouth Guest House . . ..

270-282 External Territories .. . . . .

I

385 External Territories .. . . . .

310 Housing . . .. . . . .

845 Housing . . . . . . . .

Amount

$

3,195,800 6,708,000

2,000

3,632,800 499,400 6,455,700 5,000

13,000 2,201,300

110,000

210,000

200

1,800

2,621,300 150,700 323,200 1,000,000

* Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 197 1'. * Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1971'.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee C has the honour to present its report to the Senate. On 7 April 1971, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Estimates for the year 1970-71 relating to the following Departments: Works (and Tourist Activities)

Foreign Affairs Education and Science Labour and National Service External Territories Housing.

The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Works and officers of the Departments concerned.

Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and the Hansard report of the evidence are tabled for the assistance of the Senate in connection with its consideration of the Appropriation Bill (No. 3) 1970-71 and the Appropriation Bill (No.4) 1970-71.

The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following : I. The Committee appreciates the breadth of explanation of the various items of additional expenditure which has been made available to it. The Committee is, however, of the opinion that the explanatory notes would be of much

greater value to the Committee were they to be distributed some two weeks prior to the Committee's examination of Departmental Estimates or Additional Estimates. The Committee draws attention to the fact that the comprehensive explanations provided to Committee members are not incorporated in the

Committee Hansard. The Committee therefore suggests that it would be of benefit to the Senate and could facilitate the passage of Appropriation Bills through the Senate if all Senators were provided with copies of all the Depart­ mental explanatory notes. 2. The Committee is of the opinion that it would facilitate easier and quicker

reference if Documents 'A' and 'B'- the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure- were to have details of the related previous years' expenditure and the current year's appropriation included in them. 3. Evidence given to the Committee indicated that in some cases at least, original

estimates are formulated on a basis which does not include expenditure for some foreseeable departmental activities. Such estimating could lead to a situation where the original estimates would not represent a true indication of a government's anticipated commitments for the financial year. 4. The Committee considers that where, as in the present financial year, savings

in certain items offset the total amount to be additionally appropriated, such savings should be indicated in the Additional Estimates, so that Parliament, which approved the original vote of moneys, may finally approve, or otherwise express its opinion of, the expenditure of the revised vote.

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C. L. LAUCKE Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.8

TUESDAY, 20 APRIL 1971

l. MEETING: The Committee met at 8 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Laucke) took the Chair.

2. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of particulars of proposed additional expenditure.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1970-71-DEPARTMENT OF WORKS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Works:

Mr A. S. Reiher, Director-General Mr A. W. G. Miles, Deputy Mr W. D. Hamilton, Executive Officer.

Treasury Official: Mr H. G. Seymour.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference of the Senate of 7 April 1971, the Committee commenced consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the service of the year ending 30 June 1971 and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the year

ending 30 June 1971 relating to the departmental estimates (p. 32).

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee: Document A Division 580-Administrative

Division 582-Furniture and Fittings Division 584-Repairs and Maintenance

Document B Division 925-Capital Works and Services . . .

Document A Division 765-Civil Defence-Buildings, Works, Fittings and

$

2,890,500 173,200 132,100

6,708 ,000

Furniture 2,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Works concluded.

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? l·i £.._,_;..)

I Division Document* Page No. Department Amount

$

A 47-48 580-584 Works . . . . . . . . 3,195,800

B 7 925 Works .. . . . . . . 6,708,000

A 59 765 Civil Defence-Buildings, Works,

Fittings and Furniture . . .. 2,000

A 17-18 250-252 Foreign Affairs .. . . . . 3,632,800

B 3 830 Foreign Affairs .. . . . . 499,400

A 12-14 230-246 Education and Science . . . . 6,455,700

B 3 825 Education and Science . . .. 5,000

A 58 750 National Service-Vocational Train-

ing-University Courses .. 13,000

A 29 370-372 Labour and National Service .. 2,201,300

A 58 755 Administration of the National

Service Act .. . . . . 110,000

A 59 757 National Service-Vocational Train-

ing-Technical Training .. 210,000

A 59 758 Commonwealth Hostels Limited-

Buildings, Works and Equipment -Exmouth Guest House .. 200

A 59 759 Commonwealth Hostels Limited-

Contribution to Operational Ex-penses-Exmouth Guest House .. 1,800

A 15-16 270-282 External Territories .. . . 2,621,300

B 3 835 External Territories .. . . 150,700

A 21 310 Housing . . .. . . . . 323,200

B 4 845 Housing .. . . .. . . 1,000,000

• Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971'. * Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1971 '.

OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1970-71-

,, DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Foreign Affairs: Mr L. H. Border, First Assistant Secretary, Management Services; Mr H. G. Marshall, Assistant Secretary, Services Branch; Mr R. Spratt, Assistant Secretary, Aid Branch; Mr R. E. Johns, Director (Finance); Mr B. J. Meade, Director (Property); Mr J. R. Kelso, Director (Aid Policy).

Treasury Official: Mr J. Lillie

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee: Document A

Division 250-Administrative Division 252-0 verseas Service

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$

1,579,950 2,052,850

Document B Division 830-Capital Works and Services . .

$

499,400

Consideration of proposed expenditure fo r the Department of Foreign Affairs concluded.

And it being 10.17 p.m.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present : Senators Bishop, Byrne, Rae and Willesee. · Senators Murphy and Young also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

CONFIRMED

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C. L. LAUCKE Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITIEE C MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.9

THURSDAY, 22 APRIL 1971

I. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.30 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Laucke) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1970-71-DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR AND NATIONAL SERVICE: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Labour and National Service:

Mr M. Kangan, First Assistant Secretary (Employment and Industrial Services) Mr D. M. Halpin, Director (Establishments and Finance) Mr J. T. Ryder, Chief Finance Officer.

Treasury Official: Mr P. L. Lidbetter.

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A Division 370-Adrninistrative Division 372-Public Service Arbitrator's Office Division 755-Administration of the National Service Act Division 757-National Service-Vocational Training-Tech-

nical Training Division 758-Commonwealth Hostels Limited-Buildings, Works and Equipment-Exmouth Guest House Division 759-Commonwealth Hostels Limited-Contribution

2,195,300 6,000 110,000

210,000

200

to Operational Expenses-Exmouth Guest House . . 1,800

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Labour and National Service concluded.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1970- 71-DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND SCIENCE: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Education and Science:

Mr K. N. Jones, First: Assistant Secretary, Policy and Development Division Mr H. K. Coughlan, Senior Assistant Secretary, Education Facilities and Territorial Education Division Dr I. R. Garrod, Senior Assistant Secretary, Science Division

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Mr D. M. Morrison, Senior Assistant Secretary, Student Assistance and International Education Division Mr S. G. Thompson, Acting Director, Establishments and Finance Branch Mr L. Lewis, Member of the Executive, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial

Research Organisation Mr J. Shelton, Secretary, Industrial and Physical Sciences, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation Mr A. Gurnett-Smith, Secretary, Agricultural and Biological Sciences, Com­

monwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation Mr R. W. Viney, Finance Manager, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation Mr R. Gillett, Operations Officer, Australian Universities Commission

Mr N . Macmullen, Executive Officer, Metric Conversion Board. Treasury Official: Mr J. Hunter.

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee.

Document A Division 230-Administrative Division 231-Metric Conversion Board Division 232-Educational Services

Division 236-Australian Universities Commission Division 238-The Australian National University Division 239-Canberra College of Advanced Education Division 244-National Standards Commission Division 246-Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial

Research Organisation.

Document B Division 825- Capital Works and Services

Document A Division 750-National Service-Vocational Training-University

s

2,138,900 201 '1 00 1,855,200 4,500

343,000 170,000 2,000

1,741,000

5,000

Courses 13 ,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Education and Science concluded.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1970-71-DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Housing :

Mr K. D. A. Medbury, Director of War Service Homes and First Assistant Secretary, Management Services Division · Dr R. Mendelsohn, First Assistant Secretary, Policy and Research Division Mr N. F. Nield, Assistant Secretary, Home Savings Grants and Agreements Mr J. B. Elliott, Director (Finance). Treasury Offii:ial: Mr D. R. White.

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(' 7 ' J

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee :

Document A Division 310-Administrative Document B Division 842-Payments to or for the States

$

323,200

113,000

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Housing concluded.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1970-71-DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL TERRITORIES : Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of External Territories:

Mr L. W. Temby, Assistant Secretary, Finance Mr C. E. Reseigh, Assistant Secretary, Special Projects Mr P. Kelloway, Assistant Secretary, Economic Policy Mr P. Galvin, Assistant Secretary, International Relations.

Treasury Official: Mr J. O'Neill.

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee: Document A Division 270-Administrative

Division 274-Christmas Island Division 276-Cocos (Keeling} Islands Division 280-Papua and New Guinea-Miscellaneous Services Division 282-Australian School of Pacific Administration Document B

Division 835-Capital Works and Services . .

$

291,800 38,400 2,700 2,253,100

35,300

150,700

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of External Territories concluded.

And it being 10.15 p .m.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present :

Senators Bishop, Byrne, Buttfield, Laucke, Milliner and Willesee. Senator Devitt also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

CONFIRMED

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C. L. LAUCKE Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 10

WEDNESDAY, 28 . APRIL 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Laucke) took the Chair.

2. DRAFr REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE : The Committee considered a draft of the Committee's Report to the Senate and made amendments thereto.

3. ADJOURNMENT: At 2.55 p.m. the Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Buttfield, Laucke and Rae.

CONFIRMED

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C. L. LAUCKE Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 11

THURSDAY, 29 APRIL 1971

I. MEETING: The Committee met at 9.15 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Laucke) took the Chair.

2. MINUTES : The minutes of the meetings held on 20, 22 and 28 April were read and confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered a draft of the Committee's Report to the Senate and made amemdnents thereto. Draft Report, as amended, agreed to.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.55 a.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present : Senators Bishop, Byrne, Laucke and Rae.

CONFIRMED

38

C. L. LAUCKE Chairman

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

1971

Report and Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee

29 April 1971

tA> o· .:J; '

'

Document• Page

A 10

B 3

A 42-43

B 6

A 30-31

B 5

A 39-40

B 6

A 11

A 24--28

B 4-5

A 58

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MEMBERS

Senator J. E. Marriott (Chairman)

Senator R. Bishop

Senator G. H . Branson

Senator H. G . J. Cant

Senator A. E. D. Lillico

Senator E. W. Prowse

Senator R. J. D. Turnbull

Senator K. S. Wriedt

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister: Senator the Ron. R. C. Cotton)

Division Department No.

170--172 Civil Aviation .. ..

810 Civil Aviation .. . .

520--530 Trade and Industry .. . .

910 Trade and Industry .. . .

390--398 National Development. . . .

865-867 National Development. . ..

480--490 Shipping and Transport ..

890--891 Shipping and Transport ..

210 Customs and Excise .. ..

350--368 Interior . . .. . .

855 Interior .. . . . .

752 Civil Defence .. . .

Amount

$

. . 5,956,000

. . 350,000

. . 1,875,300

. . 64,800

.. 748,000

.. 71,000

. . 2,118,500

. . 940,000

. . 2,525,600

. . 7,333,000

. . 4,110,200

. . 38,200

• Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971'.

• Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1971 '.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee D has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

On 7 April1971, the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year Ending 30 June 1971 , and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1971, relating to the following Departments:

Department of Civil Aviation Department of Trade and Industry Department of National Development Department of Shipping and Transport Department of Customs and Excise Department of the Interior

The Committee has considered these particulars of proposed additional expendi­ ture and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Civil Aviation and officers of the Departments concerned.

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee is tabled for the information of the Senate. The Hansard report of the evidence given before the Committee will be made available for the information of Senators.

The committee extends its appreciation to the Minister for Civil Aviation, Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, and to those departmental officers attending the Committee for their co-operation and assistance.

The Committee places on record its appreciation of the detailed explanations of the particulars of proposed additional expenditure provided by the Minister for Civil Aviation on behalf of his and other Departments.

The Committee is of the opinion that all explanatory notes provided by the Depart­ ments be made available to members of the Committee at least a fortnight before the meeting of the Committee.

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J. E. MARRIOTT Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 6

WEDNESDAY, 21 APRIL 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in the Senate Chamber at

8.40 p.m.

2. MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE: An extract from the 'Journals of the Senate' of 17 February 1971, recording the appointment to the Committee of Senator Prowse in place of the former Senator D. B. Scott, was read.

3. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman made a statement on procedure.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE: Pursuant to the Order of Reference of the Senate of 7 April 1971 the Committee commenced consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Provisions for Additional Expenditure fot the Service of the Year Ending 30

June 1971, and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1971, relating to the following departmental estimates.

Document* Page Division Department

I

Amount

No.

$

A 10 170- 172 Civil Aviation . . . . . . 5,956,000

B 3 810 Civil Aviation . . . . . . 350,000

A 42- 43 520--530 Trade and Industry . . .. 1,875,300

B 6 910 Trade and Industry . . .. 64,800

A 30--31 390--398 National Development . . .. 748,000

B 5 865-867 National Development .. . . 71 ,000

A 39-40 480-490 Shipping and Transport .. . . 2,118,500

B 6 890--891 Shipping and Transport . . .. 940,000

A 11 210 Customs and Excise . . .. 2,525,600

A 24--28 350-368 Interior . . . . . . . . 7,333,000

B 4--5 855 Interior .. . . . . . . 4,110,200

A 58 752 Civil Defence .. . . . . 38 ,200

• Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971 ' .

• Document B.:._'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year endin g 30 June 1971 '.

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305

The Chairman called on Divisions 170--172, Department of Civil Aviation, $5,956,000.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accompa­ nied by Mr R. W. Gross, First Assistant Director-General (Ground Facilities), Department of Civil Aviation; Mr G. R. Woodward, Assistant Director-General (Finance), Department of Civil Aviation; Mr R. A. Bickley, Director of Finance,

Department of Civil Aviation; Mr J. Holt, Director of Financial Studies, Depart­ ment of Civil Aviation; and Mr B. C. Weeden, Department of the Treasury.

Senator Cotton submitted the following paper.

Department of Civil Aviation-Additional Estimates 1970--71.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered by the Committee:

DIVISION 170.-ADMINISTRATIVE AND OPERATIONAL

DIVISION 172.-DEVELOPMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION

$

5,214,000

02. International Civil Aviation Organization-Contribution towards cost 2,000

04. Ground facilities in Pacific-Contribution towards cost, $420,000, being considered by the Committee-5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.40 p .m. till a day and hour to be fixed.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Marriott (Chairman), Senators Bishop, Branson, Cant, Lillico, Prowse, Turnbull and Wriedt.

Senators Davidson and Murphy also took part the Committee's proceedings.

CONFIRMED

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J.

Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.7

THURSDAY, 22 APRIL 1971

I. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in the Senate Chamber at 4.48 p.m.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE: Consideration resumed of Divisions 170-172, Department of Civil Aviation, $5,956,000.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Ci vil Aviation; accompa­ nied by Mr R. W. Gross, First Assistant Director-General (Ground Facilities), Department of Civil Aviation; Mr G. R. Woodward, Assistant Director-General (Finance), Department of Civil Aviation; Mr R. A. Bickley, Director of Finance,

Department of Civil Aviation; Mr J. Holt, Director of Financial Studies, Depart­ ment of Civil Aviation; and Mr B. C. Weeden, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered: DIVISION 172.-DEVELOPMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION

04. Ground facilities in Pacific-Contribution towards cost 05. Air Services-subsidy

Total: Division 172

TOTAL: DEPARTME NT OF CIVIL AVIATION

$

420,000 320,000

742,000

5,956,000

The Chairman called on Division 810, Department of Civil Aviation, $350,000.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered: DIVISION 810.-CAPITAL WORKS AND SERVICES

I.-Plant and Equipment

$

350,000

The Chairman called on Divisions 520-530, Department of Trade and Industry, $1,875,300.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation; accompa­ nied by Mr T. J. McMahon, Assistant Secretary (Management Services Branch), Department of Trade and Industry; Mr E. J. Lewin, Director of Finance, Depart­ ment of Trade and Industry; Mr A. J. McGoldrick, Principal Project Officer (Policy Secretariat Branch), Department of Trade and Industry; Mr S. J. Maliphant,

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Assistant Secretary (Exports Promotion Division), Department of Trade and_ Industry; Mr J. Gardner, Acting Assisting Secretary (Export Services Division), Department of Trade and Industry; Mr I. J. Swan, Acting Director (Trade Com­ missioner Branch), Department of Trade and Industry; Mr R . G. Roberston, C hief Executive Officer-Tariff Board, Department of Trade and Industry ;

Mr E. W. Ryan, Executive Officer-Australian Industrial Research and Develop- -ment Grants Board, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr B. V. Lilburn , Department of the Treasury; Mr A. D . Read, Department of the Treasury; a nd Mr D . L. Dahlberg, Department of the Treasury.

Senator Cotton presented the following paper:

Department of Trade and Industry-Additional Estimates-Explanatory N otes 1970-71.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered: $

DIVISION 520-ADMINISTRATIVE 1,028,100

DIVISION 522-TARIFF BOARD 128 ,000

DIVISION 526--AUSTRALIAN INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH AND DEVELOP-MENT GRANTS BOARD

DIVISION 530-TRADE COMMISSIONER SERVICE . .

TOTAL-DEPARTMENT OF TRADE AND INDUSTRY

14,000 705,200

1,875,300

The Chairman called on Division 910, Department of Trade and Industry, $64,800.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered :

DIVISION 910-CAPITAL WORKS AND SERVICES

I.-Buildings, Works, Plant and Equipment-Overseas estab­ lishments

$

64 ,800

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.53 p.m. till a day and hour to be fixed .

4 . ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Marriott (Chairman), Senators Branson, Cant and Prowse.

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J. E. MARRIOTT Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 8

WEDNESDAY, 28 APRIL 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in Committee Room L.58 at

5.48 p.m.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL

EXPENDITURE: The Chairman called on Divisions 390-398, Department of National Development, $748,000.

Appearing: Senator the Ron. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation; accompa­ nied by Mr R. Thompson, Assistant Secretary (Management Services), Depart­ ment of National Development; Mr D. Gates, Assistant Secretary (Minerals and Forest Policy), Department of National D evelopment; Mr A. McCutchan, Senior Assistant Secretary (Water Power and Geographic), Department of

National Development; Mr L. Williams, Assistant Director (Bureau of Mineral Resources), Department of National Development; Mr M. Nicholson, Finance Officer, Department of National Development; Mr A. Walters, Director of Finance, Australian Atomic Energy Commission; Mr A. Finch, Department of the Treasury.

Statement by Senators Bishop and Cant: Senators Bishop and Cant attended the meeting and made statements to the Committee indicating that they would be unable to continue in attendance, as they had other commitments in the Senate Chamber.

(Sitting suspended from 5.55 to 8 p.m.)

Senator Cotton presented the following paper:

Department of National Development, Additional Estimates 1970-71, Appro­ priation Bills (Nos. 3 and 4) 1970-71. Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

DIVISION 390-ADMINISTRA TIV E DIVISIO N 392-NORTHERN DIVISIO N DIVISION 394-DIVISION OF NATIONAL MAPPING DIVISION 396-BUREAU OF MI NERAL RESOURC ES

DIVISION 398-FORESTRY AND TIMBER BUREAU

TOTAL: DEJ:'ARTMENT OF NATIONAL DEVELOPM ENT

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233,000 47,000 50,000 399,000

19 ,000

748,000

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The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered: $

DIVISION 350--ADMINISTRATIVE DIVISION 351-MINISTERS AND MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND OTHERS DIVISION 354--RENT DIVISION 357-ELECTORAL BRANCH DIVISION 358-COMMONWEALTH BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY DIVISION 360--NEWS AND INFORMATION BUREAU DIVISION 361-AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL .. DIVISION 362-AUSTRALIAN CAPITAL TERRITORY SERVICES DIVISION 363-AUSTRALIAN CAPITAL TERRITORY POLICE DIVISION 364--NATIONAL CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION DIVISION 366--NORTHERN TERRITORY LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL DIVISION 368-NORTHERN TERRITORY SERVICES

TOTAL: DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR

1,184,200

25 ,800 1,360,700 375,300 883,000

434,200 6,000 449,100 229,700 105,000

22,800 2,257,200

7,333,000

The Chairman called on Division 855, Department ofthe Interior, $4,110,200.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered :

$

DIVISION 855-CAPITAL WORKS AND SERVICES . . 4,110,200

TOTAL: DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR 4,110,200

The Chairman called on Division 752, Civil Defence, $38,200.

The following particulars of proposed!additional expenditure were considered : $

DIVISION 752-CJVIL DEFENCE 38,200

TOTAL: CIVIL DEFENCE 38,200

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.06 p.m. till a day and hour to be fixed.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Marriott (Chairman), Senators Bishop, Branson, Cant, Lillico, Prowse and Turnbull.

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J. E. MARRIOTT Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.9

THURSDAY, 29 APRIL 1971

l 1. MEETING: The: Committee met in private session in Room U.45 at 2.04 p.m.

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REPORT TO THE SENATE: The Committee deliberated on the draft of its Report to the Senate which had been circulated.

Paragraphs I and 2 agreed to without amendment.

Paragraph 3 agreed to with amendment.

Proposed new paragraph:

Moved by Senator Cant, seconded by Senator Bishop: That the following paragraph be added to the Report: 'The Committee is of the opinion that all explanatory notes provided by the Departments be made available to members of the Committee _llt least a

fortnight before the meeting of the Committee.' Question-put and passed.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 2.14 p.m.

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ENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

1971

Report and Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee

29 April 1971

315

Document*

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A A B A A A

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MEMBERS

Senator J. J. Webster (Chairman)

Senator D . N. Cameron

Senator D. M. Devitt

Senator F. P. McManus

Senator C. R. Maunsell

Senator the Hon. M. F. Scott

Senator Dame Ivy Wedgwood, D.B.E.

Senator L. D . Wilkinson

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, D.F.C.)

Page Division Department

No.

54-55 690-716 Air . . . . .. .. . .

33 410-414 Primary Industry .. .. . .

6 875 Primary I ndustry .. . . ..

52-53 660-685 Army . . .. . . ..

37-38 460-466 Repatriation . . .. . . . .

50-51 630-656 Navy . . .. . . . .

Amount

$

16,016,500 1,180,500 311 ,500 18,387,600

5,354,200 13,803,000

• Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971'.

• Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1971'.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Senate Estimates Committee 'E' has the honour to present its report to the Senate :

On 7 April1971 the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year Ending 30 June 1971 , and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1971, relating to the following Departments:

Department of Air Department of Primary Industry Department of the Army Repatriation Department Department of the Navy

The Committee has considered these estimates of proposed additional expenditure and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Air and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of proceedings is tabled for the infor­ mation of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 3) 1970-71 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 4) 1970-71. The Hansard report of the evidence will be made available to Honourable Senators at a later date.

Following from this consideration of the Additional Estimates, the Committee makes the following observations: 1. In response to this Committee's recommendation last year, the provision by the Minister of detailed explanatory notes on the Additional Estimates in

advance of the meeti ngs, gave Committee members the opportunity to inform themselves , and present their questions accordi ngly. Thi s achieved a con­ siderable saving in ti me. 2. The Mi nister and the Departmental Representatives provided satisfactory

answers to the questions put to them. 3. The inclusion of Department of the Treasury representatives was of value to the Committee in clarifying some aspects of the Additional Estimates.

The view was put to the Committee that in future, provision should be made in the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for indicating amounts representing under-expended appropriations as an offset against amounts sought in the Additional Estimates. This is probably the most important aspect of the Committee's findings and the Committee, as a result, requested advice from the Department of the Treasury in relation to the matter.

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J. J. WEBSTER Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.5

WEDNESDAY, 21 APRIL 1971

Minutes of meeting held in Senate Committee Room L.17 on Wednesday, 21 April 1971, commencing at 8.30 p.m.

Present :

Senator J. J. Webster-Chairman

Senator D . N. Cameron Senator D . M. Devitt Senator F. P. McManus Senator C. R . Maunsell

Senator the Hon. M. F. Scott Senator Dame Ivy Wedgwood, D.B.E. Senator L. D. Wilkinson

Also present during the proceedings were Senators Davidson, Laucke and Murphy.

1. The Chairman made an introductory statement.

Consideration of Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure

Pursuant to the Resolution of the Senate dated 7 April 1971, the Committee commenced consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971 , and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1971 relating to the following departmental estimates :

Document* Page

Division Department Amount No. $

A 54-55 690-716 Air . . .. . . .. 16,016,500

A 33 410-414 Primary Industry . . .. . . 1,180,500

B 6 875 Primary Industry .. .. . . 311,500

A 52-53 600-685 Army . . .. . . .. 18,387,600

A 37-38 460-466 Repatriation .. . . . . 5,354,200

A 50-51 630-656 Navy . . .. . . . . 13,803,000

• Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971 ' . • Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1971 ' .

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2. DEPARTMENT OF AIR: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockmac Minister for Air, accompanied by Mr F. C. Sutherland, First Assistant (Finance and Logistics), Mr H. Pearlman, Chief Executive Officer (Budget anc Costing) and Mr I. D. McLeod, Director of Budgeting, Department of Air and the Department of the Treasury Representatives, Messrs. G. J. Balfour and H. G. Reilly.

The Chairman called on Divisions 690-716, Department of Air, $16,016,500.

Senator Drake-Brockman submitted the following Paper:

Department of Air-Additional Estimates of Expenditure 1970-71-Explana­ tory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered.

DIVISION 690-ROYAL AUSTRALIAN AIR FORCE DIVISION 692-CIVIL PERSONNEL DIVISION 694-ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES AND GENERAL SERVICES DIVISION 696--FORCES OVERSEAS DIVISION 700-EQUIPMENT AND STORES DIVISION 702-AIRCRAFT AND AssociATED INITIAL EQUIPMENT­

PURCHASE, MANUFACTURE AND LEASE DIVISION 706--ADVANCES TO STATES UNDER THE COMMONWEALTH AND STATE HOUSING AGREEMENT . . DIVISION 707-ACQUISITION OF SITES AND BUILDINGS DIVISION 710-RENT DIVISION 716--BUILDINGS, WORKS, FITTINGS AND FURNITURE

$

7,713,000 515,00(} 367,000 751,000 1,120,000

3,848,000

923,000 214,000 425,000 140,000

Consideration of the Additional Estimates of the Department of Air completed, subject to an undertaking by Senator Drake-Brockman to provide replies to I several questions.

3. DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, Minister for Air and Acting Minister for Primary Industry, accompanied by Mr J. G . Rainbow, Assistant Secretary, Management Services, Mr D. P. Cleary, Director, Management Services and Mr C. M . Beer, Senior Finance Officer, Department of Primary Industry and the Department of the Treasury Representative, Mr T. L. J. Leahy.

The Chairman called on Divisions 410-414 and 875, Department of Primary Industry.

Senator Drake-Brockman submitted the following paper: Department of Primary Industry-Additional Estimates of Expenditure 1970-71 -Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

DIVISION 410-ADMINISTRATIVE DIVISION 412-ADMINISTRATION OF THE COMMERCE (TRADE DE­ SCRIPTIONS) ACT.

To be considered by the Committee.

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313,500

And it being 10.45 p .m .

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed .

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J. J. WEBSTER Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.6

TUESDAY, 27 APRIL 1971

Minutes of the meeting held in Senate Committee Room L. 17 on Tuesday, 27 April 1971, commencing at 8 p.m.

Present:

Senator J. J. Webster-Chairman

Senator D. N. Cameron Senator D. M. Devitt Senator F. P. McManus Senator Dame Ivy Wedgwood, D.B.E. Senator L. D. Wilkinson

Also present during the proceedings were Senators Byrne, Cant, Laucke and Wriedt.

1. The Chairman submitted a letter received from the Department of the Treasury in response to questions raised on 21 April 1971 regarding the provision of information concerning expected savings under appropriations. On the motion of Senator McManus, Ordered that the letter be incorporated into the evidence.

2. DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRY: Appearing: Senator the H on. T. C. Drake-Brockman, representing the Minister for Primary Industry, accompa­ nied by Mr J. G. Rainbow, Assistant Secretary, Management Services, Mr D. P. Cleary, Director, Management Services and Mr C. M. Beer, Senior Finance Officer,

Department of Primary Industry and the Department of the Treasury Repre­ sentative Mr A. Finch.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

$

DIVISION 412-ADMINISTRATION OF THE COMMERCE {TRADE DE­ scriptions) AcT .. DIVISION 414-BUREAU OF AGRICULTURAL ECONOMICS

DIVISION 875-PAYMENTS TO OR FOR THE STATES

785,000 82,000 311 ,500

Senator Drake-Brockman presented replies to questions by Senators Wilkinson and Scott on 21 April 1971.

Senator Drake-Brockman undertook to provide an ans wer to a question raised by the Chairman.

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DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake­ Brockman, representing the Minister for the Army, accompanied by Mr K. W. Major, First Assistant Secretary (Establishments and General), Mr J. W. Nunn, First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Logistics), Department of the Army and the Department of the Treasury Representative, Mr A. Finch.

The Chairman called on Divisions 660-685, Department of the Army­ $18,387,600.

Senator Drake-Brockman made a statement to the Committee and submitted the following Paper: Department of the Army-Additional Estimates 1970-71-Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars were considered:

DIVISION 660---AUSTRALIAN MILITARY FORCES . . DIVISION 662- CIVIL PERSONNEL DIVISION 664-ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES AND GENERAL SERVICES DIVISION 670---ARMS, ARMAMENT AND EQUIPMENT

DIVISION 673-BUILDINGS, WORKS, F ITTINGS AND FURNITURE DIVISION 681 -ACQUISITION OF SITES AND BUILDINGS DIVISION 683-ADVANCES TO STATES UNDER THE COMMONWEALTH AND STATE HOUSING AGREEMENT

DIVISION 685-RENT ..

$

11,901,200 1,838,000 281,400 3,682,000

80,000 75,000

217,000· 313 ,000

REPATRIATION DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake­ Brockman, representing the Minister for Repatriation, accompanied by Mr R . Kelly, Secretary, Repatriation Commission, Mr R. Cadd, Acting First Assistant Commissioner, (Benefits and Legislation), Mr A . Gray, Assistant Commissioner

(General Treatment), Dr J. H. Hurt, Deputy Chief Director-Medical Services, Mr G. A. Woodward, Director (Finance) and M r L. C. Elliott, Assistant Director (Budgets and Works), Repatriation Department and the Department of t he Treasury Representative, Mr A. Finch.

The Chairman called on Divisions 460-466, Repatriation Department­ $5,354,200.

Senator Drake-Brockman made a statement to the Committee and submitted the fo llowing Paper.

Repatriation Department-Additional Estimates 1970- 71-Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars we re considered:

DIVISION 460---ADMINISTRATIVE DIVISION 462-REPATRIATION HOSPITALS AND OTHER INSTITUTIONS DIVISIO N 464-WAR AND SERVICE PENSIONS AND ALLOWANCES DIVISION 466--0THER REPATRIATION BENEFITS

s

1,1 83,200· 1,685,000 1,180,000 1,306,000

DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T . C. Drake­ Brockman, representing the Minister for the Navy, accompanied by Mr M. T. Hyland, First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Materiel), Mr W. A. Boreham, Assistant Secretary (Naval Staff), Department of the Navy and the Department of

the Treasury Representative, Mr A. Finch.

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The Chairman calle on Divisions 630-656, Department of the Navy-$13,803,000.

Senator Drake-Brockman made a statement to the Committee and submitted the following Paper:

Department of the Navy-Additional Estimates 1970-71-Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars were considered :

$

DIVISION 630-AUSTRALIAN NAVAL FORCES 8,725,000

DIVISION 632-CIVIL PERSONNEL 2,713,000

DIVISION 634--ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES AND GENERAL SERVICES 21 5,000 DIVISION 638-SHIPS, AIRCRAFT, MACHINERY AND PLANT-REPAIR AND OTHER CHARGES DIVISION 650-ADVANCES TO STATES UNDER THE COMMONWEALTH

AND STATE HOUSING AGREEMENT .. DIVISION 652-ACQUISITION OF SITES AND BUILDINGS DIVISION 656-BUILDINGS, WORKS, FITTINGS AND FURNITURE

586,000

50,000 814,000 700,000

Senator Drake-Brockman undertook to reply to a question raised by Senator Devitt.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.05 p .m.

CONFIRMED

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J. J. WEBSTER Chairman