Killer claims he did not act alone


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Police are taking seriously Breivik's claims that he didn't act alone. Authorities in the United
Kingdom are also helping in the investigation. There are also reports that Breivik was on a watch
list because of the quantities of fertiliser he'd bought. The public mood in Oslo has moved from
reflection to anger.

TONY EASTLEY: Among the huge throng of journalists and others who gathered outside the courtroom in
Oslo where Breivik appeared was our Europe Correspondent Philip Williams.

Philip, good morning, this claim by the killer that he didn't act alone, are police saying anything
about this? Are they taking it seriously?

PHILIP WILLIAMS: Well they are taking it seriously and there's always been this speculation there
may have been other people involved in this.

The British police are now involved because he claimed to have had a meeting in 2002 with two
cells, as he described them. He didn't go into detail, and this meeting happened in London, he's
alleging. So the British police are now investigating, but really we have no more information about

Up until this moment the police here had said he was acting alone as far as they knew.

TONY EASTLEY: There had been reports, Phil, that Breivik was on an intelligence watch list, that he
tried to buy chemicals somewhere, tell me about that?

PHILIP WILLIAMS: Yes, we have an unconfirmed report that the Norwegian Secret Police investigated
him back in March because he tried to buy some compounds from a Polish website. They apparently
investigated him, but didn't find any reason to continue that investigation and basically dropped

Now, all of this is unconfirmed, but if true it would be a huge miss.

TONY EASTLEY: Did Breivik's court appearance spark much public interest today? Because I know the
court was closed wasn't it, because of fears that he could use it as sort of a platform?

PHILIP WILLIAMS: Yes it was huge interest today. There were hundreds of people both at the rear
entrance, where I was, and many more at the front and ...

TONY EASTLEY: And these were not just reporters Phil?

PHILIP WILLIAMS: No these were ordinary citizens who just wanted to see the man that was capable of
doing these crimes.

Some of them were extremely angry, some of them said, one of them in fact, one man told me "if this
man walked out of here without protection he'd be torn to pieces." And there were plenty in the
crowd that would have joined him in that.

So there is a mood here, there is a change in mood from the quiet reflection and the sadness, to
anger, and it's all being directed to this one man.

TONY EASTLEY: Tell me, Phil, has there been much concern expressed there that this man, if
convicted of these horrific crimes, may only face 21 years in jail?

PHILIP WILLIAMS: Yes there is concern about that. But there is a mechanism to keep him in jail for
life, because if he's regarded as a danger to society still, after 21 years, he can be kept another
five years and then so on and so on.

So, people don't realistically think that he'll ever get out of jail.

Funnily enough, the parliament is just considering upping the sentence to 30 years, but it will be
too late for him. You can't do this sort of thing retrospectively.

TONY EASTLEY: Philip, if there is one bright spot in this story it is that the death toll has been
revised down?

PHILIP WILLIAMS: Yes it has. It has and this is really good news. It's curious news because, up
until now, we've been told that 86 people had been killed at Utoya Island, now it's 68. Now how did
that happen?

The police said we were focused on simply helping the survivors and the relatives and trying to
sort the whole mess out, and somehow, the numbers got confused. And those numbers have stuck for
three days up until now, and now we've got this revision now. It's good news but it's very odd that
the police could make such a fundamental error.

TONY EASTLEY: Correspondent, Philip Williams, in Oslo.