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Transcript of doorstop interview: Brisbane: 12 July 2018: infrastructure investment in Queensland; ACCC report on energy and electricity; live sheep exports; Barnaby Joyce; assistance for drought-affected farmers

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The Hon Michael McCormack MP Deputy Prime Minister Minister for Infrastructure and Transport Leader of The Nationals

Federal Member for Riverina

The Hon Michael McCormack MP

Parliament House Canberra| (02) 6277 7520 | Suite 2, 11-15 Fitzmaurice Street, Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 |

Transcript Doorstop, Brisbane 12 July 2018


Subjects: infrastructure investment in Queensland; ACCC report on energy and electricity; live sheep exports; Barnaby Joyce; assistance for drought-affected farmers



[Recording starts]

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And when it comes to the nation, there is perhaps no more important subject at the moment than energy costs, and the Liberal and Nationals remain committed to making sure that we have cheaper power bills.

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I want people to be assured that the National Energy Guarantee discussions, which will take place within the COAG framework next month, are still very much on the table. Liberal and Nationals


agree that we have to have that framework; we have to have that partnership with the states to make cheaper power bills possible, to make sure that we continue to put that downward pressure.

And there is a responsibility of the states to make sure that they are part of that process. The states and territories are very much part and parcel of this. I know and have every faith in Josh Frydenberg to bring about those discussions in a fruitful way and a productive way.

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We will work very much closely with the ACCC recommendations. We will take these recommendations on board. It gives us the ability to be able to look to see what we can further, along with investors, to make sure that we have that reliable, affordable power in place and to make sure that you can guarantee that in the future if you want cheaper power bills, if you want dispatchable power, if you want reliable, affordable energy, then the only option are the Liberal- Nationals.


Do you think the recommendations in the ACCC report provide a way forward [indistinct] of the NEG, including within The Nationals?


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We need the NEG as part of the future framework. Just like we need to have a very, very close look at what we can do as part of these ACCC recommendations to ensure that the household energy


costs, which are already coming down, they come down even further. To make sure that we have that dispatchable power. To make sure that the future is bright.

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Deputy Prime Minister, the NEG, yes or no? Does it need new government investment in coal?


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So to be clear, you think yes the NEG package should have further investment in coal?


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On live sheep exports, how is it that a company that was suspended from live sheep exports is then able to attempt to transfer it*[ s exports to another company?


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the pens for the sheep leaving Australian ports from now on. There are cameras on those ships which are monitoring the welfare of those animals.

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The fact is other countries do not have those sorts of animal welfare standards in place and if we give up the trade, the trade will be taken up by those countries for whom live animal welfare is not a priority and is not a consideration.


What do you think about Barnaby Joyce and Vikki Campion being cleared of misusing any taxpayer funds?


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Were you pleased to hear that outcome?


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In your view, though, does he still have any other questions to answer in terms of the way public money was spent?


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Do you agree with this call for the states, particularly New South Wales, to put more money into grain subsidies for farmers?


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I spoke to the NSW Agriculture Minister Niall Blair yesterday about what we could both do as federal and state governments working in conjunction with one another, and we will continue to closely monitor the situation.

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We will continue to monitor the situation, in conjunction with our state colleagues and do whatever we can where appropriate.





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So, that is why *t as far as regional electorates are concerned and regional representation is concerned *t the National Party and the regional Liberals are those candidates which are putting forward the sorts of things which, you know, our communities expect, want, demand, and deserve.

A*v****ö*Z***ö*[*ê**¡*Z*«*/*[*u**¿***Ã¥*«**â*o*****ê******ö*Z***ö***Ã¥***ö*ö*t*Z*]*ö***o***« in Braddon is doing just that in conjunction with our regional Liberal friends and also Senator Steve Martin, the National Party senator in Tasmania, representing the interests of regional people, because when our regions are strong, so too is our nation.

Thank you very much.


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