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Wednesday, 13 October 1971
Page: 2323

Mr LYNCH (Flinders) (Minister for Labour and National Service) (12:57 PM) - The honourable member for Sturt (Mr Foster) emits a great deal of froth and fury and frankly I can find very little logic in what he has put before the House at this time of the evening.

Mr Foster - I will debate this matter with the Minister next Friday in Adelaide if he likes.

Mr SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member for Sturt will contain himself.

Mr LYNCH - That, if I may say so of the honourable gentleman, is sometimes a very difficult matter. I gather from what he has said in a very rambling discourse that he is totally opposed to penalties. I can only assume that he has brought into this House the hatchet type tactics that were obviously adopted by both sides of debate in the Labor Party Caucus this morning. 1 should have thought, without unduly wanting to twist the knife - in fact I am here only out of a sense of courtesy to the honourable gentleman - that the last thing that any member of the Opposition would have wanted to raise today or yes terday was the question of industrial relations. If the honourable gentleman is opposed to sanctions in the Act or sanctions against voluntary agreements he is apparently carrying on the type of debate which occupied so much of the Labor Party executive meeting in Caucus this morning. The honourable gentleman knows as well as I do, as every member of the House knows and as presumably the Australian people will know tomorrow morning, that at the meeting held by the Labor Party this morning the penalty suggested by the Leader of the Opposition (Mr Whitlam) and the honourable member for Hindmarsh (Mr Clyde Cameron) was in fact decisively rejected on, I believe, some form of landslide vote. That of course vindicates all that the Prime Minister (Mr McMahon) has said in relation to this matter during the past few days.

However, I do not want to inject this type of argument into the debate. I do so only in partial response to what the honourable gentleman has suggested because in fact the whole burden of the case that he was putting before this House was the suggestion that there ought to be no sanctions whatever in industrial legislation in Australia. That certainly is obviously not the view of the Leader of the Opposition, it has not been the view of the honourable member for Hindmarsh, it is not my view, it is not the view of this Government and I would feel confident in saying that it is not the view of the people of this country. We believe very much indeed in having sanctions in the Act. We recognise that if the system is designed to regulate with the force of law the relations between employers and employees, those regulations ought to be able to be backed effectively by some form of sanction. I do not really want to twist the knife even marginally any further because after all, if a party is hanging itself so effectively there would seem to be no reason why anyone from this side would want to seek to assist.

Mr KIRWAN(Forrest) 12.59 a.m.)Mr Speaker-

Motion (by Mr Giles) agreed to:

That the question be now put.

Original question resolved in the affirmative.

House adjourned at 1 a.m. (Thursday)

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