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Thursday, 16 September 1971
Page: 1428


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The question now is: That the House take note of the paper.


Mr Scholes - I rise on a point of order. Mr Deputy Speaker, I was on my feet and you put the question. I think that is out of order.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The question now is: That the House take note of the paper. I called the honourable member for Angas- the call was to a member on the other side of the House.


Dr Patterson - I rise to order. The point which you are being asked to clarify, Mr Deputy Speaker, is this: Four members were listed to speak and the last member who spoke was the honourable member for Maranoa (Mr Corbett). So the question before the Chair is which honourable member is next to get the call.


Mr Swartz - I rise to order. May I just draw the attention of the House to the arrangement that was made regarding this statement? The arrangement was that there would be 2 speakers from each side of the House - 2 Opposition speakers and 2 Government speakers. As it turned out on this occasion, the honourable member for Dawson (Dr Patterson) moved an amendment. His amendment was seconded by the honourable member for Riverina (Mr Grassby), who did not defer his opportunity to speak after be had seconded the amendment but spoke immediately. So in fact there were 2 speakers from the Opposition side immediately followed by a speaker from the Government side. The Minister for Labour and National Service (Mr Lynch) made a statement, 2 Opposition members spoke and then finally a speaker from the Government side took part in the debate. If we had followed the normal procedure, the honourable member for Riverina would have seconded the amendment and reserved his right to speak, and the honourable member for Maranoa would have spoken. He would have been followed by the honourable member for Riverina and the call then would have been back to this side of the House. I think that in the special circumstances and in view of the arrangement that was made the call would be due to a member on the Government side of the House.


Mr Grassby - 1 rise on a point of order.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member for Riverina will resume bis seat for a moment. The question before the Chair is: That the House take note of the paper. The motion is open for debate. The honourable member for Riverina has a point of order.


Mr Grassby - My point of order is in relation to the statement made by the Leader of the House (Mr Swartz). I am not cavilling at it but I just want to present the situation in relation to my point of order. It was agreed, of course, that 2 speakers from this side of the House would participate in the debate but what has happened has been that we have now had a vote - a precipitate vote - on an amendment which in effect negatives the whole debate on the statement read by the Minister for Labour and National Service (Mr Lynch) - a most important statement to the rural part of our country. The suggestion is that it was perfectly in order for the honourable member for Angas (Mr Giles) to move the adjournment of the debate under the arrangement that was made. The arrangement of speakers was made in good faith between the 2 sides of the House and I am not cavilling at what the Leader of the House had to say. What I am saying now is that precipitate action has been taken by the Government to resolve a major matter which is before the House and which was the subject of an amendment. If the whole of the debate is now adjourned there will be nothing before the House other than the original question-


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The question before the House is: That the House take note of the paper. Does the honourable member for Kalgoorlie wish to raise a point of order.


Mr Collard - Mr Deputy Speaker, I have believed for a long time that the Country Party-


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! Is the honourable member speaking to the motion before the Chair?


Mr Collard - 1 am, yes. As I was saying, I have believed for quite a long time that the Country Party is a phony organisation. It is a completely phony show in what it pretends to represent. As you know, Mr Deputy Speaker, it claims to represent all the people in the country areas and yet the honourable member for Maranoa (Mr Corbett) completely rejects on behalf of his Party - he is the speaker for the Country Party, the Party's spokesman


Mr Swartz - I raise a point of order. I draw your attention, Mr Deputy Speaker, to the fact that you called the honourable member for Angas (Mr Giles) who moved that the debate be adjourned in accordance with Standing Orders. That question should be before the House. As I indicated before, the arrangement was that there would be 4 speakers on this statement which would then go on the notice paper and be subject to debate at a later stage.


Mr Duthie - How soon?


Mr Swartz - During this sitting the debate will take place because there are honourable members on both sides of the House who wish to speak on this subject. One of the reasons for the limitation of speakers as arranged was that the House has to conclude the Budget debate today as well as some Bills. The debate on the statement was fitted into that programme. In accordance with the Standing Orders you gave the call to the honourable member for Angas and he moved that the debate be adjourned. I suggest that that is now the question before the House.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Hallett)Thequestion before the House at the moment is: 'That the House take note of the paper', and the honourable member for Kalgoorlie has the call.

Mr- Collard^-Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. As I was pointing out, I have always believed that the Country Party was a phony show. My belief has been proved by the very fact that the honourable member for Maranoa-


Mr Giles - Mr Deputy Speaker-


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member for Kalgoorlie and the honourable member for Angas will sit down. The question that I had before the Chair was as I have stated it. If the honourable member for Angas did move a motion I did not hear it. If the House will come to order the Chair may be able to hear what is going on. The motion before the Chair is precisely as I have stated it.


Mr Giles - Mr Deputy Speaker, I rise to order. A while ago I moved that the debate be adjourned. Will you put my motion to the House?


Mr Daly - You never had the call.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! I ask the honourable member for Angas to repeat what he said.


Dr Patterson - Mr Deputy Speaker-


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! I did not hear the honourable member for Angas. Will the honourable member repeat what he said?


Mr Giles - Some time ago I moved in relation to the amendment that the question be put. After that I moved that the debate on the statement be adjourned. I thought that you put that motion to the House.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - You are not moving that motion now, are you?


Mr Giles - For the adjournment of the debate.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The question is that the question be put.


Mr Giles - Mr Deputy Speaker, I moved for the adjournment of the debate.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The question is that the debate be adjourned?


Mr Giles - Yes.


Dr Patterson - I rise to order. I think we can clarify this issue. There was an agreement made between-


Mr Buchanan - Why do you not keep it?


Dr Patterson - If 1 do not talk the debate will go on. There was an agreement made between the Leader of the House (Mr Swartz) and the Deputy Leader of the Opposition (Mr Barnard). I have checked on this. There were to be 2 speakers from either side. We have had 2 speakers from either side so that agreement 'nas been kept. I think the Opposition has no alternative but to honour that agreement.

Question resolved in the affirmative.

Debate adjourned.







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