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1968

THE PARLIAMENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA

JOURNALS OF THE SENATE N o. 54

TUESDAY, 22 OCTOBER 1968

1 M eeting of Senate : The Senate met at three p.m., pursuant to adjournment. The President (Senator the Honourable Sir Alister McMullin) took the Chair.

2 PRAYERS.

3 D istinguished Visitors: The President drew attention to the presence in the gallery of members of a British Delegation of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association, led by the Right Honourable Lord Brooke of Cumnor, C.H., and on behalf of honourable Senators extended to them a cordial welcome.

4 Q uestions: Questions on notice were answered.

5 P apers: The following Paper was presented, by Command of His Excellency the Governor-General: Commonwealth-State Literature Agreement—Agreement between the Govern­ ments of the Commonwealth and of the States of Australia in relation to the

administration of Laws relating to blasphemous, indecent or obscene literature, dated 15 November 1967. The following Papers were presented, pursuant to Statute: Australian Capital Territory Representation Act—Regulation—Statutory Rules

1968, No. 125. Customs Act—Regulations—Statutory Rules 1968, No. 121. Interim Forces Benefits Act—Regulation—Statutory Rules 1968, No. 124. Judiciary Act—Rule of the High Court of Australia, dated 18 September 1968.

Native Members of the Forces Benefits Act—Regulations—Statutory Rules 1968, No. 123. Papua and New Guinea Act—Ordinance—1968—No. 66—International Bank (Telecommunications) Loan Agreement Ratification. Public Service Act—Appointment—Department of the Interior—C. H. A. Figg.

Public Service Arbitration Act—Determinations by the Arbitrator—1968— No. 179—Amalgamated Engineering Union and others. No. 180—Amalgamated Engineering Union; and Boilermakers and Blacksmiths’ Society of Australia. Nos. 181 and 182—Amalgamated Engineering Union and others. No. 183—Association of Architects, Engineers, Surveyors and Draughtsmen of

Australia. No. 184—North Australian Workers’ Union. No. 185—Amalgamated Engineering Union and others. No. 186—Professional Radio Employees’ Institute of Australasia. Repatriation Act—Regulations—Statutory Rules 1968, No. 122. Seamen’s War Pensions and Allowances Act—Regulations—Statutory Rules 1968,

No. 120.

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6 N ew and Permanent P arliament House Site—Message from the House of Represen­ tatives: The following Message from the House of Representatives was received and read: M r President, Message No. 78

The,House of Representatives transmits to the Senate the following Resolution which was agreed to by the House of Representatives this day: “That this House is of the opinion that the new and permanent Parliament House should be situated on Capital Hill or the Camp Hill area and that

the matter be referred to the Joint Select Committee on the New and Permanent Parliament House for report on the alternatives and that the Committee be requested to submit its report within three months’’. The House of Representatives requests the concurrence of the Senate in referring this matter to the Joint Select Committee on the New and Permanent Parliament House.

House of Representatives, W. J. A ston,

Canberra, 17 October 1968 Speaker

Ordered—That consideration of the Message be an Order of the Day for a later hour of the Day.

7 Papua and N ew G uinea Loan (International Bank) Bill 1968—Message from the House of Representatives: The following Message from the House of Representatives was received and read: M r President, Message No. 82

The House of Representatives transmits to the Senate a Bill intituled “A Bill for art Act to approve the Guarantee by the Commonwealth q f the Discharge o f the Obligations o f the Administration o f the Territory o f Papua and New Guinea under a Loan Agreement made with the International Bank for Reconstruction and Develop­ ment, and for purposes connected therewith'', in which it desires the concurrence of

the Senate. '

House of Representatives, W. J. A ston,

Canberra, 17 October 1968 Speaker

Suspension of Standing Orders: The Minister for Supply (Senator Anderson), pursuant to contingent notice, moved—That so much of the Standing Orders be suspended as would prevent the Bill being passed through all its stages without delay. Question—put and passed. On the motion of Senator Anderson the Bill was read a first time. Senator Anderson moved—That this Bill be now read a second time. On the motion of Senator Mulvihill the debate was adjourned. Ordered—That the resumption of the debate be an Order of the Day for the next day

of sitting.

8 C oal Excise Bill (N o. 2) 1968—Message from the House o f Representatives: The following Message from the House of Representatives was received and read: Mr President, Message No. 79

The House of Representatives transmits to the Senate a Bill intituled “A Bill for an Act relating to Excise on Coal", in which it desires the concurrence of the Senate. House of Representatives, W. J. A ston,

Canberra, 17 October 1968 Speaker

Suspension o f Standing Orders: The Minister for Customs and Excise (Senator Scott), pursuant to contingent notice, moved—That so much of the Standing Orders be suspended as would prevent the Bill being passed through all its stages without delay. Question—put and passed. 1 1 ■

On the motion of Senator Scott the Bill was read a first time.

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Senator Scott moved—That this Bill be now read a second time. On the motion of Senator O’Byrne the debate was adjourned. Ordered—That the resumption of the debate be an Order of the Day for the next day ■of sitting.

9 Excise T ariff Bill (N o. 2) 1968—Message front the House o f Representatives: The following Message from the House of Representatives was received and read: Mr P resident, Message No. 80

The House of Representatives transmits to the Senate a Bill intituled “A Bill for an Act relating to Duties o f Excise”, :in which it desires the concurrence of the Senate. House of Representatives, W. J. Aston,

Canberra, 17 October 1968 Speaker

Suspension o f Standing Orders: The Minister for Customs and Excise (Senator Scott), pursuant to contingent notice, moved—That so much of the Standing Orders be suspended as would prevent the Bill being passed through all its stages without delay. Question—put and passed. On the motion of Senator Scott the Bill was read a first time. Senator Scott moved—That this Bill be now read a second time. On the motion of Senator O’Byme the debate was adjourned. Ordered—That the resumption of the debate be an Order of the Day for the next day

of sitting.

10 States G rants (C oal M ining Industry Long Service Leave) Bill 1968—Message from the House o f Representatives: The following Message from the House of Represen­ tatives was received and read: M r President, Message Ho. 81

The House of Representatives transmits to the Senate a Bill intituled “A Bill for an Act to amend the 'States Grants (Coal Mining Industry Long Service Leave) Act 1949-196Γ ” , in which it desires the concurrence of the Senate. House of Representatives, W. J. A ston,

Canberra, 17 October 1968 Speaker

Suspension o f Standing Orders: The Minister for Customs and Excise (Senator Scott), pursuant to contingent notice, moved—That so much of the Standing Orders be suspended as would prevent the Bill being passed through all its stages without delay. Question—put and passed. On the motion of Senator Scott the Bill was read a first time. Senator Scott moved—That this Bill be now read a second time. On the motion of Senator O’Byrne the debate was adjourned. Ordered—That the resumption of the debate be an Order of the Day for the next day

of sitting.

11 Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1968-69—P apers: The Senate, according to Order, resolved itself into Committee for the further consideration of proposed expenditure for the year 1968-69.

In the Committee

Ordered, on the motion of the Minister for Supply (Senator Anderson)1 —That further consideration of the Divisions relating to the Department Of the Army and intervening Divisions be postponed until after the consideration of Divisions relating to the Departments of Trade and Industry, the Treasury, External Affairs and Defence.

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The Committee took note of the proposed expenditure in relation to the following Divisions: 520-530 Department of Trade and Industry, 523,876,000; and 910-911 „ „ „ „ „ , $765,000 (after further debate);

540-554 Department of the Treasury, $62,812,000; 915-917 „ „ „ „ , $20,951,500;

560 Advance to the Treasurer, $20,000,000; and 920 „ ,, „ „ , $20,000,000 (after debate).

Question proposed—That the Committee take note of the proposed expenditure in relation to the following Divisions:

250-252 Department of External Affairs, $63,950,000; and 830 „ „ „ „ , $3,493,100.

Debate ensued.

And General Business taking precedence o f Government Business after eight p.m.—

12 P ostponement: Ordered, on the motion of the Minister for Supply (Senator Anderson)— That General Business be postponed until after consideration of Message No. 78 of the House of Representatives.

13 N ew and P ermanent Parliament H ouse Site—Message from the House o f Represen­ tatives: Order of the Day read for the consideration of Message No. 78 of the House of Representatives. The Minister for Supply (Senator Anderson) moved—

(1) That the Senate, having considered Message No. 78 of the House of Represen­ tatives, concurs in the proposal by the House that the matter of alternative sites for the New and Permanent Parliament House, on Capital Hill or the Camp Hill area, be referred to the Joint Select' Committee on the New and Permanent

Parliament House for report and that the Committee be requested to submit its . report within three months.

(2) That the foregoing resolution be forwarded to the House of Representatives by Message. Point of Order: Senator Wilkinson raised a Point of Order that the motion moved by Senator Anderson was in conflict with Standing Order 134 and was not in order.

Debate ensued. Ruling o f Deputy-President: The Deputy-President (Senator Drake-Brockman) ruled that the motion did not amend or modify any previous resolution of the Senate and was in order.

Dissent from Ruling: And Senator Willesee having objected, in writing, to the ruling of the Deputy-President, moved—That the ruling be dissented from. Ordered—That the Question of dissent requires immediate determination. Debate ensued on the motion of dissent. Senator O’Byme asked leave to move a motion for the rescission of the order that the

Question of dissent requires immediate determination. Objection being raised, leave not granted. Debate on motion of dissent continued. Closure moved: Senator Fitzgerald moved—That the Question be now put.

The Question—That the Question be now put—being proposed— Motion, by leave, withdrawn. Debate on motion of dissent continued. Question—That the Deputy-President’s ruling be dissented from—put.

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The Senate divided—

Ayes, 11 N oes, 38

Senator— Devitt Greenwood

Senator— Rae Wilkinson Willesee Withers

Senator— Anderson Bishop Bull

Buttfield Byrne Cavanagh Cohen

Davidson Drake-Brockman Drury Fitzgerald

Georges Hendrickson Laucke Laught

Lawrie Lillico Little McClelland

McKellar McMullin, Sir

Senator— Marriott Maunsell Milliner Murphy OOyrnc Ormonde

Poke Rankin, Dame

Reeffe Lacey Mulvihill Prowse Senator Cant

Teller:

Annabelle Ridley Scott Sim Wedgwood, Dame

Ivy

Wheeldon Wriedt Wright Young

Alister

T eller:

Senator Cotton

And so it was negatived. Debate continued on the motion moved by Senator Anderson. Ordered—That the debate be adjourned till the next day of sitting, and that the Leader of the Opposition (Senator Murphy) have leave to continue his speech on the

resumption of the debate.

14 Adjournment: The Minister for Supply (Senator Anderson) moved—That the Senate do now adjourn. Debate ensued. Question—put and passed. The Senate adjourned at seventeen minutes to eleven p.m. till to-morrow at three p.m.

15 A ttendance: Present, all the Members except Senators Branson, Dittmer (on leave), McManus (on leave), Toohey, Webster (on leave) and Wood.

J. R. O dgers, Clerk of the Senate

23287/68—2 By Authority: A. J. Arthur, Commonwealth Government Printer, Canberra