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SJ No 69 - 07 November 1901



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COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA,

JOURNALS

No. 69.

OF THE SENATE.

THURSDAY, 7th NOVEMBER, 1901.

1. M eeting of Senate.—The Senate met pursuant to adjournment.

2. PRAYERS.

3. P aper.—The Postmaster-General laid on the Table the following Paper, viz.:— By Command— Despatch from the Secretary of State for the Colonies relating to the Conference of Delegates on the question of representation in the Final Court of Appeal, also Resolution of the

Conference.

Ordered to be printed.

4. P ost-office Sorters.— Senator McGregor, pursuant to notice, asked the Postmaster-General— 1. Will the Postmaster-General inquire why eight junior sorters were promoted over a large number of senior sorters in the Victorian mail branch notwithstanding the protests of the latter. 2. Have the senior sorters any redress. 3. Is the Sorters’ Association viewed with disfavour by the Department. 4. Does membership of this Association debar members from obtaining promotion.

The Postmaster-General replied—· 1. The Postmaster-General has inquired into this matter and has ascertained that junior sorters were promoted by the Public Service Board of Victoria previous to the transfer of the Post and Telegraph Department to the Commonwealth. 2. The senior sorters have no immediate redress as the junior sorters cannot be deprived of the

positions in which they were placed by the Public Service Board. 3. The Sorters’ Association is not viewed with disfavour by the Department. 4. Membership of this Association does not debar members from obtaining promotion.

5. Customs R egulations.—Senator Pulsford, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Execu­ tive Council— 1. When will the Regulations which have been issued under the Customs Act be laid upon the Table of the Senate.

2. What arrangements do the Government propose in order to insure to the Senate full opportunity of negativing any of the Regulations within the time allowed by the A ct.. The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied— 1. The Regulations referred to were laid on the Table of the Senate on the 11th of October.

2. Fifteen sitting days provided by the Customs Act appear to the Government to allow ample opportunity for passing any resolution desired by the Senate.

G. I mmigration : Correspondence re.—Senator PuMord, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council will the Government lay on the Table of the Senate before the second reading of the Immigration Restriction Bill is moved copies (1) of all correspondence on the subject between the Consul for Japan and the Government; (2) of any communications on the subject received from the Imperial Government.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied— Inquiries will be made, and any communication not confidential will be laid upon the Table of the Senate.

7. F ederal Tariff : Suggested D uties.—Senator Pulsford, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-Presi­ dent of the Executive Council when do the Government propose to fulfil their promise to lay upon the Table of the Senate the various suggestions made to them for duties to be placed on the Federal Tariff, especially those made by the Protectionists’ Associations and the Chambers of Manufactures.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied— Early next week.

8. P ublic Service B ill.— The Senate, according to Order, resolved itself into a Committee for the further consideration of the Public Service Bill.

In the Committee,

Clause 5 further considered. Amendment again proposed, viz., in clause 5, to leave out sub-clause (2). And a question being put—That the words “ The Commissioner” stand part of the sub-clause. Question—That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the sub-clause—put. Committee divided.

Ayes, 14.

Senator Barrett Best Sir J. W. Downer Drake Ferguson Glassey Harney Higgs Keating O’Connor

Pulsford Lieut.-Col. Sir F. T. Sargood Stewart.

Teller.

Senator Smith.

Senator Sir F. T. Sargood moved an amendment, viz., after “ Commissioner” to insert “ shall hold his office during good behaviour, and shall not be removed therefrom unless an address praying for such removal shall be presented to the Governor-General by the Senate and the House of Representatives respectively in the same session of the Parliament.” Question—That the words proposed to be inserted be inserted—put and negatived. Senator Dobson moved an amendment, viz., in line 1, to leave out “ and inspectors.” Question—That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the clause—put. Committee divided.

Ayes, 10.

Senator Barrett Best Sir J. W. Downer Drake

Glassey Higgs O’Connor Smith.

Stewart.

Teller.

■ Senator Keating.

Noes, 14.

Senator Sir It. C. Baker Charleston Do Largie Dobson

Ferguson Fraser Harney McGregor Lieut.-Col. Neild Playford Pulsford Lieut.-Col. Sir F. T. Sargood

Sir W. A. Zeal.

Teller.

Senator Pearce.

Noes, 9.

Senator Charleston De Largie Dobson Fraser McGregor Lieut.-Col. Neild

Playford Sir W. A. Zeal.

Teller.

Senator Pearce.

Sub-clause (2) further amended.

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Senator Dobson moved a further amendment, viz., in line 2, to leave out “ seven.” Question—That the word proposed to be left out stand part of the clause—put. Committee divided.

Ayes, 12.

Senator Barrett Best Drake Ferguson

Fraser Glassey Harney

O’Connor Pulsford Lieut.-Col. Sir F. T. Sai'good Smith.

Teller.

Senator Keating.

Noes, 10.

Senator Sir R. C. Baker Charleston De Largie Dobson Higgs McGregor Playford Stewart

Sir W. A. Zeal.

Teller.

Senator Pearce.

Senator Dobson moved a further amendment, viz., in sub-clause (6), line 3, to leave out “ fifteen,” with a view to insert “ twelve ” in lieu thereof.

8. Suspension of Committee.—At half-past six p.m. the sitting of the Committee was suspended until a quarter to eight p.m.

10. R esumption of Committee.—A t a quarter to eight p.m. the sitting of the Committee was resumed.

11. P ublic Service Bill.—Clause 5 further considered. Amendment again proposed, viz., in sub-clause (6), line 3, to leave out “ fifteen.” Question—That the word proposed to be left out stand part of the clause—put. Committee divided.

Noes, 12.

Senator Charleston Clemons De Largie Dobson Higgs McGregor Pearce Playford

Pulsford Stewart Sir W. A. Zeal.

Teller.

Senator Barrett.

Senator Sir W. A. Zeal moved a further amendment, viz., in sub-clause (3), line 3, after “ of,” to insert “ one thousand.” Question—That the words proposed to be inserted be inserted—put. Committee divided.

Ayes, 7.

Senator Best Drake ■ Fraser

Glassey O’Connor Smith.

Teller.

Senator Keating.

Ayes, 9.

Senator Charleston Clemons Dobson McGregor

Pearce Playford Stewart Sir W. A. Zeal.

Teller.

Senator De Largie.

Noes, 10.

Senator Barrett Best Drake Fraser Glassey

Keating O’Connor Pulsford Smith.

Teller.

Senator Higgs.

Clause 5 further amended. Senator Playford moved a further amendment, viz., in lines 3 and 4 of sub-clause (6) to leave out “ and to each inspector a salary at the rate of.” Question—That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the clause—put.

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Committee divided.

Ayes, 12.

Senator Barrett Best Drake Glassey Harney Higgs Keating O’Connor Lieut.-Col. Sir. F. T. Sargood

Smith Stewart.

Noes, 9.

Senator Charleston Clemons De Largie Dobson McGregor Playford Pulsford Sir W. A. Zeal

Teller.

Senator Pearce.

Teller.

Senator O’Keefe.

Senator Pulsford moved a further amendment, viz., in line 4 of sub-clause (6) to leave out “ eight.'' Question—That the word proposed to be left out stand part of the clause—put. Committee divided.

Ayes, 9.

Senator Best Drake Glassey Harney Lieut.-Col. Neild O’Connor Lieut.-Col. Sir F. T. Sargood Smith.

Teller.

Senator Keating.

Noes, 11.

Senator Barrett Charleston De Largie Dobson

McGregor Pearce Playford

Pulsford Stewart Sir W. A. Zeal

Teller.

Senator Higgs.

Sub-clause (6) further amended and agreed to. Clause 5, as amended, agreed to. Clause 6 read. Senator Playford moved an amendment, viz., in line 1, to leave out “ or any inspector.” Question—That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the clause—put. Committee divided.

Ayes, 13.

Senator Best Drake Glassey Harney

Higgs Keating Lieut.-Col. Neild O’Connor Pearce Lieut.-Col. Sir F. T. Sargood

Smith Stewart.

Noes, 7.

Senator Charleston Dobson McGregor Playford Pulsford Sir W. A. Zeal.

Teller.

Senator De Largie.

Teller.

Senator Barrett. Clause 6 agreed to. Clause 7 amended and agreed to. To report progress and ask leave to sit again. The President resumed the C hair; and Senator Best, from the Committee, reported that the Com­

mittee had considered the Bill, and had made progress, and asked leave to sit again. Ordered—That the Committee have leave to sit again to-morrow.

12. A djournment.—The Senate adjourned at fifteen minutes past ten p.m. till to-morrow, at half-past ten a.m.

13. A ttendance.— Present, all the Members except Senators Lieut.-Col. Cameron, Dawson, Ewing, Major Gould, Matheson, Millen, Styles, Sir J. H. Symon, and Walker.

E. G. BLACKMORE, Clerk of the Parliaments.

Printed and Published for the Government of the Commonwealth of A ustralia by R obt. S. B rain, Government Printer for the State of Victoria.