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SJ No 63 - 09 October 1901



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COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA

No. 63.

JOURNALS OP THE SENATE.

WEDNESDAY, 9 t h OCTOBER, 1901.

1. Meeting of S enate.— The Senate met pursuant to adjournment.

2. PRAYERS.

3. P etition.—Senator Playford presented a Petition (No. 26) from residents of the State of South Australia praying the Senate to take measures for placing the sale of intoxicating liquors in the Federal Capital under the exclusive control of the Commonwealth. Petition received and read.

4. P apers.—The following Papers were laid upon the Table by the Postmaster-General :— By Command :— Proposed Federal Tariff as submitted in the House of Representatives. Statements in connexion with the Federal Tariff.

Percentage of Estimated Revenue to value of Estimated Imports. Index to Free Goods under the Federal Tariff. Rates of Duty under Federal Tariff, also Rates of Duty in the several States of the Common­ wealth, and in Canada and New Zealand.

Papers distributed by the Right Hon. Sir George Turner, P.C., K.C.M.G., on the occasion of opening the First Federal Budget. Estimates of Expenditure of the Commonwealth for the Financial Year ending 30th June, 1902. Estimates of Revenue of the Commonwealth for the Year ending 30th June, 1902.

5. Standing O rders Committee.—The President, as Chairman of the Standing Orders Committee, brought up the Third Report, together with the Proceedings of the Committee, a Memorandum by the Chairman, and a copy of Proposed Standing Orders as agreed to by the Committee. Report read, and ordered to be printed.

6. P aper.—The following Paper was laid upon the Table by the Postmaster-General, viz.:— Return to an order of the Senate of the 27th September, 1901 :— Telegraph rates between Tasmania and Victoria and each of the various States of the Commonwealth.

Ordered to be printed.

7. Governor-General’s M essages.— The Vice-President of the Executive Council communicated the following Messages from His Excellency the Governor-General, which were received and read :—■ HOPETOUN, Governor-General. Message.

A Bill intituled “An Act relating to Excise on Beer,” as finally passed by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the Commonwealth, having been presented to the Governor- General for the Royal Assent, His Excellency has, in the name of His Majesty, assented to the said Act.

Government House, Melbourne, 5th October, 1901. (900 copies.)

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HOPETOUN, Governor-General. Message.

A Bill intituled “ An Act relating to Distillation,” as finally passed by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the Commonwealth, having been presented to the Governor- General for the Royal Assent, His Excellency has, in the name of His Majesty, assented to the said Act.

Government House, Melbourne, 5th October, 1901.

HOPETOUN, Governor-General. Message.

A Bill intituled “An Act relating to Excise," as finally passed by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the Commonwealth, having been presented to the Governor-General for the Royal Assent, His Excellency has, in the name of His Majesty, assented to the said Act. Government House,

Melbourne, 5th October, 1901.

8. A djournment to D ebate M atter of I mportance.—Senator Sir J. H. Symon, without notice, moved, That the Senate, at its rising, adjourn till half-past ten to-morrow. Debate ensued. Motion, by leave, withdrawn.

9. Commercial T reaties between Great B ritain and other N ations.—Senator Dobson, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council whether any correspondence has taken place between the Prime Minister and the Secretary of State for the Colonies as to the position the Commonwealth will be placed in with regard to the most favoured nation clauses of commer­

cial treaties between Great Britain and other nations, if the Commonwealth, in framing a Tariff, give a preference in the rate of duty to goods imported from Great Britain over goods imported from foreign countries.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied— Yes ; such correspondence has taken place, from which it appears that the result of the action of Canada in giving fiscal preference to British goods has been to deprive Canada of her former most favoured nation treatment by Germany, though this is still enjoyed by Great Britain. The cor­

respondence will be laid upon the Table of the Senate.

10. F ederal E lections B ill.—Senator Higgs, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council— 1. Do the Government propose to first introduce the Federal Elections Bill in the Senate. 2. Will the Minister please state the probable date on which the Bill will be introduced.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied— 1. Yes. 2. As soon as the state of business will permit.

11. F ederal Ta r iff.—Senator Major Gould, by leave of the Senate, and at the request of Senator Pulsford, who was unavoidably absent, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council, with reference to the statement made by the Vice-President on .31st May, that suggestions for fixing Customs duties had been received from several quarters, and that

“ there will be no objection to laying the suggestions named on the Table as soon as the Tariff Resolutions have been introduced in the House of Representatives, ” will the Vice-President take the necessary steps to enable him to lay these suggestions on the Table.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied— Some 300 of these suggestions have been received, and are now being arranged with a view of laying on the Table all those which can be of anv public interest.

12. F ederal F lag and S eal.—Senator Pearce, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council— 1. Whether it is the intention of the Government to officially recognise the flag and seal to which prizes were awarded at the recent competitions as the flag and seal of the

Commonwealth. 2. Before such recognition, will the Government give the Senate an opportunity to give an opinion as to the suitability of such flag and seal.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied— The Imperial Government, through the Secretary of State for the Colonies, requested this Government to suggest designs for a flag and seal. With the view of suggesting such designs the recent competitions were held. The prize designs, and possibly others, will be forwarded to the

Imperial Government. The final decision does not rest with the Commonwealth.

13. P rivilege : E lections and Qualifications Committee.—On the Order of the Day being read for the consideration of the Special Report of the Elections and Qualifications Committee, Senator Sir John Downer, pursuant to notice, moved, That, in the opinion of the Senate, the Chairman of the Elections and Qualifications Committee is entitled to exercise a deliberative and

not a casting vote. Senator Sir J. H. Symon moved an amendment, viz., in line 2, after “ is ” to insert “ not.” Debate ensued.

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The Vice-President of the Executive Council, proceeding to refer to the Minutes of the Proceedings of the Standing Orders Committee, laid upon the Table of the Senate this day, and a Point of Order being taken against such reference on the ground that the Senate had no knowledge of the proceedings of that Committee, The President ruled that as the Proceedings to which the Vice-President of the Executive Council

was about to refer had been laid upon the Table of the Senate, it would be in order to quote from them matters relevant to the question before the Senate. Debate continued.

14. Suspension of S itting.— A t twenty minutes past six p.na. the sitting of the Senate was suspended until half-past seven p.m.

15. R esumption of Sitting.— At half-past seven p.m. the sitting of the Senate was resumed.

16. P rivilege : E lections and Q ualifications Committee.— Debate, interrupted by the suspension of the sitting, resumed. . .

Question—That the word proposed to be inserted be inserted—put. The Senate divided.

Ayes, 10.

Senator De Largie Ferguson Fraser Glassey

Major Gould Milieu Pearce Playford Smith.

Teller.

Senator Sir J. H. Symon.

And so it passed in the negative. Main question—put. The Senate divided.

Noes, 11.

Senator Barrett Charleston Higgs Keating

Macfarlane McGregor O’Connor O’Keefe Lieut.-Col. Sir F. T. Sargood

Walker.

Teller.

Senator Sir J. W. Downer.

Ayes, 11.

Senator Barrett Charleston Higgs Keating Macfarlane McGregor

O’Connor O’Keefe Lieut,-Col. Sir F. T. Sargood Walker.

Teller.

Senator Sir J. W. Downer. And so it was resolved in the affirmative.

Noes, 10.

Senator De Largie Ferguson Fraser Glassey Major Gould Milieu

Pearce Playford Smith.

Teller.

Senator Sir J. H. Symon.

17. M essage from the H ouse of R epresentatives.—The following Message from the House of Repre­ sentatives was received and read :— M r. P resident, Message No. 30.

The House of Representatives transmits to the Senate a Bill intituled “An Act to place certain restrictions on Immigration and to provide fo r the removal from the Commonwealth of prohih ted Immigrants,'' with which it desires the concurrence of the Senate. F. W. HOLDER,

House of Representatives, Speaker.

Melbourne, 9th October, 1901.

18. I mmigration R estriction B ill.—The Vice-President of the Executive Council moved, That the Immigration Restriction Bill be now read a first time. Question—put and passed. Bill read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Friday, 18th October.

19. P ost and T elegraph B ill.— The Senate, according to Order, resolved itself into a Committee for the further consideration of Message No. 22 and the amendments of the House of Representatives in the Post and Telegraph Bill. In the Committee, Resolved— That amendment No. 11 of the House of Representatives be agreed to. That amendment No. 12 of the House of Representatives be agreed to. Amendment No. 13 of the House of Representatives considered. Senator Major Gould moved an amendment, viz., in sub-clause (2), to leave out paragraph (b).

Question—That the paragraph proposed to be left out stand part of the question—-put.

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Committee divided. Ayes, 11. Noes, 12.

Senator Barrett Senator Charleston

Best De Largie Sir J. W. Downer Drake Glassey Keating McGregor O’Connor

Playford.

Clemons Dobson Major Gould Macfarlane Millen O’Keefe Lieut.-Col. Sir F. T. Sargood Smith Sir J. H. Symon Walker.

Teller.

Senator Higgs. Teller.

Senator Pearce.

That amendment No. 13 of the House of Kepresentatives, as amended, be agreed to. To report progress and ask leave to sit again. The President resumed the Chair ; and Senator Best, from the Committee, reported that the Com­ mittee had further considered the amendments of the House of Representatives, and had made

progress, and asked leave to sit again. Ordered—That the Committee have leave to sit again to-morrow.

20. A djournment.—The Senate adjourned at twenty-three minutes past ten p.m. till to-morrow, at half­ past two p.m.

21. A ttendance.— Present, all tlie Members except Senators Lieut.-Col. Cameron, Dawson, Ewing, Harney, Matheson (on leave), Lieut.-Col. Neild, Pulsford, and Stewart.

C. B. BOYDELL, For Clerk of the Parliaments.

Printed and Published for the Government of the Commonwealth of A ustralia by R obt. S. B rain, Goveniment Printer for the State of Victoria.