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SJ No 51 - 11 September 1901



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COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.

No. 51.

JOURNALS OF THE SENATE.

WEDNESDAY, 11th SEPTEMBER, 1901.

1. M eeting of Senate.—The Senate met pursuant to adjournment.

2. PRAYERS.

3. P etition.— Senator Charleston presented a Petition (No. 22) from 485 Citizens of South Australia, praying the Senate to give effect to proposals for the exclusive ownership and conduct of the retail trade of intoxicants by the Commonwealth in the Federal Capital. Petition received and read.

4. P aper.— The Postmaster-General laid on the table the following paper, viz.— By Command—■ I. Naval Defence for Australia : Report of Conference. Ordered to be printed.

II. Defence Forces of Commonwealth. Ordered to be printed. III. Return to Order of the Senate of 30th August, 1901 :— Females employed in Federal Departments.

Ordered to be printed.

5. The P resident of the U nited States : M essage of Sympathy.— The President acquainted the Senate that on receiving the news of the attempted assassination of the President of the United States he had despatched the following message of sympathy on behalf ofj the Senate to the President of the United States.

“ Sincere sympathy from the Senate of Australia.—R. C. B aker, President, Senate.”

6. N ew Z ealand: P recedence.—Senator Clemons, by leave of the Senate, and at the request of Senator Sir J. H. Symon, who was unavoidably absent, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council— 1. Has the Right Honorable the Prime Minister been in communication or had correspon­

dence with the Right Honorable the Premier of New Zealand in relation to any question of precedence or to the order of precedence existing or proposed in that colony, or to any protests or objection by the Chief Justice of that colony with respect to such order of precedence or any question of precedence generally. 2. If so, is there any objection to lay the correspondence on the table of the Senate. The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied—-

No official correspondence on this subject has taken place.

7. V ictorian P ublic Service A c t : Breach of R egulations.— Senator Dobson, pursuant to notice, asked the Postmaster-General— 1. Does the Postmaster-General intend to inquire into five breaches of the regulations issued under the Public Service Act of Victoria, as set forth by the Aryus of the 2nd inst.,

upon the authority of the Deputy Postmaster-General, alleged to have been committed by certain officers referred to as 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 in the said newspaper, and reprimand or punish by fine such of the officers (if any) who shall at such inquiry be proved to broken any of the regulations. 2. Does the Minister propose to advise the Governor-General in Council to make regulations

to insure the good conduct and discipline of all officers of transferred Departments pending the issue of regulations under any Public Service Act which may be passed, and in such temporary regulations will he provide that any officer applying or making complaint to any person other than his Minister (and then only through the Permanent

Head of his Department) concerning his position in the service or any matter in which he is personally interested, shall be punishable for a first offence by a fine, and for a second offence by disrating and consequent reduction of salary. 3. Will the Minister table a copy of the report furnished by the Deputy Postmaster-General

in reference to his published statement, and of all correspondence relating thereto.

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The Postmaster-Generai replied—r 1. Every case properly brought under the notice of the Postmaster-General will he dealt with on its merits. 2. Not considered desirable or necessary to make any new regulations pending the passing

of the Public Service Bill. 3. The papers are ready and will be laid on the Table to-morrow if the Senate desire it.

8. E xcise : M achinery B ills.—Senator Pulsford, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council—Referring ιο the statement made by the Vice-President of the Executive Council, on 15th August, in reply to a question by Senator Pulsford, that it was the intention of the Government to bring in a machinery Bill or Bills dealing with excise on tobacco and other commodities before introducing the Tariff, is this still the intention of the Government, and, if so, do the Government propose to carry such Bill or Bills through all their stages before introducing the Tariff. The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied—

Every effort will be made to legislate in the direction indicated before the introduction of the Tariff.

9. States, P opulation of.— Constitution A ct, I ndex.— Senator Pulsford, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council—-1. With reference to the return ordered on 26th July to be prepared and laid on the table of this House, dealing with the population figures disclosed by the census as affecting the

quota for the House of Representatives, is there any reason why this return should be delayed, and will the Government give instructions that will secure its immediate preparation and presentation. 2. With reference to the resolution of the Senate approving the preparation of an index to

the Constitution, have any steps yet been taken to carry this resolution into effect.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied— 1. The Chairman of the Conference of Statisticians has been asked, through the Premier of New South Wales, to supply the return, but it is not yet to hand. I will endeavour to have it expedited. 2. The preparation of this index has been retarded by the extreme pressure of business

necessitating the individual attention of officers, but as soon as the pressure lessens the index will be prepared.

10. N ew^Guinea : Government of.—Senator Clemons, by leave of the Senate, and at the request of Senator Walker, who was unavoidably absent, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council— 1. When does the existing arrangement between the Imperial Government and the State

Governments of Queensland, New South Wales, and Victoria, respecting the Government of British New Guinea terminate. 2. Is the Commonwealth Government in communication with the Imperial authorities respecting the cost of carrying on the Government of British New Guinea on termina­

tion of existing arrangements. 3. If so, will the Vice-President of the Council inform this House on what terms it is pro­ posed to continue defraying the expense of the Government of British New Guinea in . the future ; whether as a possession under the immediate supervision of the Common­

wealth or otherwise.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied— 1. There is no definite arrangement in force at present. The agreement entered into in 1888 between Great Britain and the contributing colonies expired in 1898, but affairs have been conducted since that date on the lines of the agreement. 2. The Commonwealth Government is in communication with the Imperial authorities on the

subject, and the element of cost is dealt with in the despatches. 3. As the negotiations are incomplete, no statement as to terms proposed can be made, but as soon as a definite understanding on the subject is arrived at the papers will be laid on the Table of the Senate.

11. Matrimonial Causes B ill.— Senator Dobson, pursuant to leave granted 5th July, presented a Bill for an Act to regulate Divorce and Matrimonial Causes within the Commonwealth. Bill read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Friday, 20th September.

12. Customs B ill.—On the Order of the Day being read for the consideration of the Customs Bill as reported a second time, Ordered—That the Bill be recommitted for the reconsideration of Clauses 50a, b, c, d, e, the inser­ tion of a new Clause 50a in lieu thereof, and the reconsideration of Clauses 71, 122, 123, 124,

150, and 219 The Senate, according to Order, resolved itself into a Committee for the reconsideration of the Bill

In the Committee,

Clause 50a reconsidered and struck out.’ Clause 50b reconsidered and struck out. Clause 50c reconsidered and struck out. Clause 50d reconsidered and struck out.

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Clause 50e reconsidered and struck out. New Clause 50a inserted to follow Clause 50. Clause 71 reconsidered and agreed to. Clause 122 reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. To follow Clause 124. Clause 123 reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. To precede Clause 124. Clause 124 reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. Clause 150 reconsidered. .

Senator Sir F. T. Sargood moved an amendment, viz., to leave out Sub-clause (a). Question—That the sub-clause proposed to be left out stand part of the clause—put. Committee divided.

Ayes, 13.

Lieut.-Col. Cameron Mi·. De Largie Sir J. W. Downer Mr. Drake

Glassey Higgs McGregor' O'Connor O’Keefe Pearce Playford Sir W. A. Zeal.

Teller.

Mr. Barrett.

Noes, 12.

Mr. Best Charleston Dobson Ewing

Ferguson Macfarlane Lieut.-Col. Neild Mr. Pulsford Lieut.-Col. Sir. F. T. Sargood

Mr. Smith Stewart.

Teller.

Mr. Clemons.

Clause 150 agreed to. Clause 219 reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. Bill to be reported with further amendments. The President resumed the Chair; and Mr. Best, from the Committee, reported that the Com­

mittee had reconsidered the Bill, and had agreed to the same with further amendments. Ordered—That the Bill as reported a third time be considered to-morrow.

13. Beer E xcise B ill.—The Senate, according to Order, resolved itself into a Committee for the further consideration of the Beer Excise Bill.

In the Committee,

Clause 42 reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. Clause 48 reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. Clause 52 reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. Clause 54 reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. Clause 57 reconsidered and agreed to. „

Third Schedule reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. New Clause 27a inserted to follow Clause 27. New Clause 27b inserted to follow Clause 27a. .

New Clause 27c inserted to follow Clause 27b. Bill to be reported with further amendments. The President resumed the Chair; and Mr. Best, from the Committee, reported that the Committee had reconsidered the Bill, and had agreed to the same with further amendments. Ordered—That the Bill as reported a second time be considered to-morrow.

14. P ostponement of Business.—Ordered, That Order of the Day No. 3 be postponed till after the consideration of Order of the Day No. 4.

15. P ublic Service B ill.— On the Order of the Day being read for the adjourned debate on the question That the Public Service Bill be now read a second time, Question—put and passed. Bill read a second time. The Senate, according to Order, resolved itself into a Committee for the consideration of the Bill.

In the Committee,

Clauses 1-4 agreed to. To report progress and ask leave to sit again. The President resumed the Chair ; and Mr. Best, from the Committee, reported that the Committee had considered the Bill, and had made progress, and asked leave to sit again.

Ordered—That the Committee have leave to sit again to-morrow.

16. P roperty A cquisition Bill.—On the Order of the Day being read for the consideration of the Property Acquisition Bill as reported a second time, Ordered—That the Bill be recommitted for the reconsideration of Clauses 7, 10, 12, 16, 44, and 59. The Senate, according to Order, resolved itself into a Committee for the reconsideration of the Bill

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In the Committee,]

Clause 7 reconsidered and agreed to. Clause 10 reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. Clause 12 reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. Clause 16 reconsidered, amended, and agreed to. Clause 44 reconsidered.

17. Suspension of Committee.—At half-past six p.m, the sitting of the Committee was suspended until half-past seven p.m.

18. R esumption of Committee.—At half-past seven p.m. the sitting of the Committee was resumed.

19. P roperty A cquisition Bill.—Clause 44 further reconsidered. The Vice-President of the Executive Council moved an amendment, viz., to leave out paragraph (6). To report progress and ask leave to sit again. The President resumed the C hair; and Mr. Best, from the Committee, reported that the Com­

mittee had reconsidered the Bill, and had made progress, and asked leave to sit again. Ordered—That the Committee have leave to sit again to-morrow.

20. A djournment.—The Senate adjourned at fifteen minutes past nine p.m. till to-morrow at half-past two p.m.

21. A ttendance.—Present, all the Members except Senators Dawson (on leave), Fraser (on leave), Major Gould, Harney (on leave), Keating, Matheson (on leave), Milieu, Styles (on leave), Sir J. H. Symon, and Walker.

E. G. BLACKMORE, Clerk of the Parliaments.

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