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SJ No 38 - 09 August 1901



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COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.

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No. 38.

JOURNALS OF T H E SEN ATE.

FRIDAY, 9th AUGUST, 1901.

1. Meeting of thf. Senate.—The Senate met pursuant to adjournment.

2. PRAYERS.

3. “ H ansard.”—Senator Staniforth Smith, pursuant to notice, asked the Postmaster-General—■ 1. Under whose jurisdiction has the printing of Hansard been placed. 2. Have any corrected copies of Hansard been issued yet. 3. Would it be possible to have galley slips of Members’ speeches given them, the day

following the debate, to enable senators to correct same before Hansard is printed. 4. Will this do away with the expense of printing proof copies.

The Postmaster-General replied— 1. Under the jurisdiction of the President and Speaker. 2. Yes. 3. Yes. '

4. I t will materially decrease the cost of printing and distributing Hansard, which at present amounts to about £350 per week, and will prevent the issue of uncorrected copies of Members’ speeches. I t may be explained that the total cost of Parliamentary printing now amounts to under

£15,000 per annum, on the assumption that Parliament sits for six months.

4. T emporary E mployes of States.—Senator McGregor, pursuant to notice, asked the Postmaster-General— 1. Will those men who were temporarily employed by any of the States at work of a fixed character and taken over by the Federal Government be considered as permanent

employes.

2. If so, will it apply to the instrument-fitters temporarily employed as instrument-fitters in the instrument room of the General Post Office, Melbourne.

The Postmaster-General replied— 1. Whether they will be considered as permanent employes must depend upon their suitability and the conditions under which they were employed, as such conditions vary in the different States. 2. The instrument-fitters temporarily employed in the General Post Office, Melbourne, have

been employed under the regulations of the Public Service Board of Victoria, which precludes their employment for more than nine months at a time.

5. T elegraphic B usiness : W estern A ustralia : Cessation of.—Senator Pearce, pursuant to notice, asked the Postmaster-General—Is it a fact that, in order to fittingly welcome the Royal Persons recently visiting Perth, the Deputy Postmaster-General of Western Australia gave instructions for the total cessation of telegraphic business throughout the State on one day (20th July), and the partial cessation for the three following days. The Postmaster-General replied— It is not a fact, as stated. The facts are that, in reply to a

telegram the Deputy Postmaster-General of Western Australia was informed, on the 15th July, that it had been approved that Monday and Tuesday, the 22nd and 23rd July, were to be observed as partial holidays in Perth and its vicinity, in accordance with the practice of other States. Upon receiving such information, the Deputy Postmaster-General issued instructions that on Monday all telegraph offices were to be open between the hours of 8.30 and 10 a.m., and 6 and 7 p.m. On Tuesday, the same arrangements were made, except that the offices at Perth, Coolgardie, Kalgoorlie, Boulder, Fremantle, Eucla, and Broome were kept open until noon, instead of 10 a.m.

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6. W eldborough P ost and T elegraph Offic e.—Senator Keating, pursuant to notice, asked the Postmaster-General—Is it intended to replace the post and telegraph office, Weldborough, which was destroyed by fire in the month of May last, and when. The Postmaster-General replied—The reports received from Tasmania do not appear to justify the

re-erection of the post and telegraph office destroyed by fire at Weldborough in May last.

7. L aunceston to P ipe r’s R iver T elpiione.—Senator Keating, pursuant to notice, asked the Postmaster-General— 1. The reasons for the recent discontinuance of the Launceston to Piper’s River telephone service.

2. When such service is likely to be restored. The Postmaster-General replied—No information has been supplied to the Postmaster-General’s department respecting this matter, and inquiry is being made.

8. Constitution A ct : I ndex.—Senator Sir J. H. Symon, by leave of the Senate, and at the request of Senator Pulsford, who was unavoidably absent, pursuant to notice, moved, That it would facilitate public business, and assist in the elucidation of the Constitution of the Commonwealth, if a full index of the said Constitution were available, and that it is desirable that such index be prepared and published as early as possible. Question —put and passed.

9. P rinting Committee : R eduction of P rinting.—Senator Lieut.-Col. Neild, pursuant to notice, moved, That the Printing Committee be requested to inquire and report upon the advisability of reducing the printing now executed in connexion with the Senate. Question—put and passed.

10. P etition : P rinting of.—Senator Sir J. H. Symon, pursuant to notice, moved, That the Petition presented by him, on 8th August, to this Honorable House be printed. Question—put and passed.

11. Tasmania and A ustralia Steam-sh ip Communication Select Committee : P ublication of E vidence.— Senator Keating, pursuant to notice, moved, That the Australian-Tasmanian Steam Service Select Committee, appointed by this Senate, have leave from time to time to make public the evidence taken by them before the same has been reported to this Senate. Question—put and passed.

12. L eave of A bsence.—Senator McGregor, pursuant to notice, moved, That a fortnight’s leave of absence be granted to Senator Dawson, on account of serious illness. Question—put and passed.

13. P arliamentary E vidence B ill.—Senator Lieut.-Col. Neild having, by leave, amended the motion of which he had given notice, moved, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to Enable and Regulate the taking of Evidence by Parliament and Parliamentary Committees. Question—put and passed. Bill presented and read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Friday, 16th

August.

II. L eave of A bsence.—Senator McGregor, pursuant to notice, moved, That a fortnight’s leave of absence be granted to Senator Higgs, on account of sickness in the family. Question—put and passed.

15. L eave of A bsence.—Senator Drake, pursuant to notice, moved, That a fortnight’s leave of absence be granted to Senator Best, on account of ill-health. Question—put and passed.

1G. L eave of A bsence.— Senator Glassey, pursuant to notice, moved, That three weeks’ leave of absence be granted to Senator Ferguson, on account of pressing public business at Rockhampton (Queens­ land) in connexion with the establishment of a School of Mines in that town. Question —put and passed.

17. L eave of A bsence.—Senator Staniforth Smith, pursuant to notice, moved, That Senator Harney be granted six weeks’ leave of absence from the sittings of the Senate, on account of urgent private business. Question—put and passed.

18. Governor-General’s M essage.—The Postmaster-General communicated the following Message from His Excellency the Governor-General, which was received and read :—

HOPETOUN, Governor-Ge rural. Message.

A Bill intituled “An Act to make provision fo r the Collection and Payment of the Public Moneys, the Audit o f the Public Accounts and the Protection and Recovery o f Public Property and fen· other purposes,” as finally passed by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the Commonwealth, having been presented to the Governor-General for the Royal Assent, His

Excellency has, in the name of His Majesty, assented to the said Act.

Government House, Melbourne, 7 th August, 1901.

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19. P rivilege—On the Order of the Day being read for the adjourned debate on the question—That it be an instruction to the Elections and Qualifications Committee that they have power, before taking any other action regarding the petition against the return of Senator Matheson, to inquire and report to the Senate as follows :—

1. Whether, in their opinion, and as affirmed by resolution of the House of Representatives, election petitions from Western Australia are, subject to the provisions of the Common­ wealth Constitution Act, governed by the electoral law of that State. 2. If, in their opinion, the law of Western Australia does not govern such petitions, what

law or practice, in their opinion, does apply to them. 3. Whether, when lodging his petition, Petitioner Saunders was authoritatively informed that it was the universal Parliamentary custom for such petitions to be presented to Parliament by a Member of the House addressed. 4. Whether, in terms of a promise made to the petitioner, the Clerk of the Parliaments

daily carried the petition into the Senate Chamber, having it at all times ready for presentation. 5. Whether, at or previous to the time of the lodging of the petition, Senator Ewing was one of the legal advisers of Petitioner Saunders, and acquainted with the need for the

presentation of the said petition. G. Whether Senator Best was another of the legal advisers of the said petitioner, and well acquainted with the custom of Parliament in regard to election petitions. 7. Whether, upon the determination of the Committee to report against the petitioner, his

legal representatives applied for a refund of the deposit accompanying the petition. 8. Whether the petitioner did not subsequently leave Victoria. 9. Whether the petitioner was consulted by the Vice-President of the Executive Council with reference to the action taken to refer his petition back to the Elections and Qualifications

Committee ; and whether the motion for the second reference was moved with the petitioner’s knowledge and concurrence.

Debate resumed. Motion, by leave, withdrawn.

20. W ages, H ours, and Conditions of L abour : L egislation for.— Senator Stewart having, by leave, amended the motion of which he had given notice, moved, That, in the opinion of this House, it is expedient for the Parliament of the Commonwealth to accept (if the State Parliaments see fit to grant it under section 51, sub-section (37), of The Constitution Act) full power to make laws for

Australia as to wages and hours and conditions of labour, and that this resolution be com­ municated to the States’ Parliaments. Debate ensued.

it being half-past twelve o’clock, the Orders of the Day were called on by the Clerk.

21. P ostponement of B usiness.—Ordered, That the Orders of the Day be postponed until the debate on the question before the Senate be disposed of.

22. W ages, H ours, and Conditions of L abour : L egislation for.—Debate, interrupted by the Orders of the Day being called on, resumed.

23. Suspension of Sitting.—A t one p.m. the sitting of the Senate was suspended until two p.m.

24. R esumption of Sitting.—At two p.m. the sitting of the Senate was resumed.

25. W ages, H ours, and Conditions of L abour : L egislation for.—Debate, interrupted by the suspension of the sitting, resumed. Question—put and passed.

26. L egal P ractitioners : F reedom of P ractice.—Senator Dobson having, by leave, amended Order of the Day No. 1, moved—

1. That this Senate is of opinion that it will be in the interest of suitors and a natural accompaniment of federation if the legal practitioners of each State are admitted to practise in all the other States.

2. That a Message be sent to the House of Representatives acquainting that House of the foregoing resolution, and requesting its concurrence thereto. 3. That an Address be presented to His Excellency the Governor-General, praying His Excel­ lency to transmit the Resolution to the Governors of the States. Debate ensued. Question—That Resolution No. 1 be agreed to—put and passed. Question—That Resolution No. 2 be agreed to—put and negatived. Question—That Resolution No. 3 be agreed to—put and passed.

27. I nsurance : I ndustrial A ccidents.—On the Order of the Day being read for the adjourned debate on the question, That, in the opinion of this Senate, it is desirable that State Insur­ ance against Industrial Accidents should be established throughout the Commonwealth. Debate resumed. On the motion of Senator O’Keefe, the debate was adjourned until Friday next.

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28. A djournment.—The Senate adjourned at fifty-eight minutes past three p.m. till Wednesday, 14th August, at half-past two p.m.

29. A ttendance.— Present, all the Members except Senators Best (on leave), Clemons, Dawson (on leave), Ewing (on leave), Ferguson (on leave), Major Gould, Harney (on leave), Higgs (on leave), Matheson (on leave), Millen, Styles (on leave), and Sir VV. A. Zeal.

E. G. BLACKMORE, Clerk of the Parliaments.

Printed and Published ior the Government of the Commonwealth of A ustralia by R oot. S. B rain, Government Printer for the State of Victoria.