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SJ No 21 - 03 July 1901



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COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.

No. 21.

JOURNALS OF THE SENATE.

WEDNESDAY, 3rd JULY, 1901.

1. M eeting of Senate.— The Senate met pursuant to adjournment.

2. PRAYERS.

3. P etition,—Senator Keating presented a Petition (No. 11) from 10,448 Citizens and Ratepayers of the State of Tasmania praying the Senate to reject clause 54 of the Post Office Bill. Petition received.

4. M essage from the H ouse of R epresentatives.—The following Message from the House of Repre­ sentatives received and read :—- M r. P resident—· The House of Representatives acquaints the Senate that it has agreed to the amendments made by the Senate in the Bill intituled “An Act for the Interpretation o f Acts of Parliament and for Shorteninq their Lanquaqe.”

F. W. HOLDER,

House of Representatives, Speaker.

Melbourne, 28th June, 1901.

5. L and—F uture A lienation of.—Senator McGregor, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council is it the intention of the Government in any Bill providing for the acquisition of lands to insert a clause preventing its future alienation. The Vice-President of the Executive Council replied :—Only in very exceptional cases. In a

measure generally applicable such provision will not be made, but in any measure dealing with Federal territory such provision will be made.

6. F ederal P ostage Stamps.— Senator Lieut.-Col. Neild, pursuant to notice, asked the Postmaster-General— 1. Can he indicate when Federal postage stamps will be issued. 2. Does he deem it desirable that postage stamps in use in the Commonwealth should hear

some indication that Australia is federated. 3. Can he say whether it is intended to establish inter-State penny postage, and, if so, when? 4. Is it intended that the Commonwealth shall obtain the benefits of universal postage, and, if so, when.

The Postmaster-General replied— 1. Not at present. Federal postage stamps will probably not be issued until after the expiration of the bookkeeping period prescribed by sections 89 and 93 of the Common­ wealth Constitution Act. 2. It is not considered desirable to overprint the postage stamps of the several States, but

when the issue of any new stamps is authorized such an indication will be considered. 3 and 4. These are matters of policy which have not yet been determined.

7. P ost and T elegraph B ill.—The Senate, according to Order, resolved itself into a Committee for the further consideration of the Post and Telegraph Bill.

In the Committee,

Clause 77 further considered and postponed. Clauses 78-90 postponed. Clause 91 read. Sub-clause {a) agreed to. Sub-clause (b) amended and agreed to. Sub-clause (c) struck out. Sub-clauses (d) to (k) agreed to. Sub-clause (?) amended and agreed to. Sub-clause (to) agreed to.

Sub-clause (n) amended. Sub-clauses (o) to (q) agreed to.

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Senator Pearce moved a further amendment, viz., to insert a new sub-clause to follow sub-clause (q), viz.:— “ For the purpose of providing for the payment of a minimum rate of wages and fair working conditions in all contracts under this Act, such rates of wages and conditions to be those

recognised by the trade unions in the locality in which the work is carried out.”

8. Suspension of Committee.— At half-past six p.m. the sitting of the Committee was suspended.

9. R esumption of Committee.— At half-past seven p.m. the sitting of the Committee was resumed.

10. P ost and T elegraph B ill.— Clause 91 further considered, and the amendment being again proposed— And the amendment being amended by leaving out the word “ minimum ” in line 1 and the words “ by the trade unions ” in the last line, Question—That the sub-clause as proposed be inserted in the clause—put.

Ayes, 14.

Mr. Barrett Charleston De Largie . Glassey

Higgs Keating McGregor

Millen

Lieut.-Col. Neild Mr. O’Keefe Pearce Playford

Stewart.

Noes, 14.

Sir R. C. Baker Mr. Clemons Hobson Sir J . W. Downer Mr. Drake

Ewing Fraser Harney O’Connor Pulsford Lieut.-Col. Sir F. T. Sargood Sir J. H. Symon Mr. Walker.

Teller. Teller.

Mr. Smith. I Major Gould.

The number of the “ Ayes ” and “ Noes ” being equal, the Chairman gave his vote with the “Ayes.” Paragraph (r) agreed to. And a point of order arising, Senator Harney objecting that under the Constitution Act the Chair­ man had not a casting vote, and a debate arising and objection being taken thereto, by Senator

Higgs, that debate on objection to the Chairman’s ruling was irregular, and the Chairman ruling that the proceedings were regular, Senator Higgs moved, That the Chairman’s ruling be disagreed with, stating his objection in writing. The Senate resumed, and the President took the Chair. And the Chairman having made his report, The President upheld the ruling of the Chairman. The President left the Chair, and the Senate again resolved itself into a Committee of the Whole.

In the Committee,

A question of order arising, Senator Harney objecting to the Chairman having given a casting vote, and stating his objection in writing, viz., “ I raise as a point of order that the votes having been declared to be equal the question should have passed in the negative, and that the Chairman of Committees had no power to determine the question by a casting vote, and in so doing acted contrary to the Constitution.” The Senate resumed, and the President took the Chair. And the Chairman having made his report, The President ruled that the Chairman of Committees had voted in a way which did not conflict

with the Constitution Act. The President left the Chair, and the Senate again resolved itself into a Committee of the whole.

In the Committee,

Clause 91 further considered and, as amended, agreed to. Clause 92 agreed to. To report progress and ask leave to sit again. The President resumed the C hair; and Mr. Best, from the Committee, reported that the Committee

had considered the Bill, and had made progress, and asked leave to sit again. Ordered, That the Committee have leave to sit again to-morrow.

11. A djournment.—The Senate adjourned at twenty minutes past ten p.m. till to-morrow at half-past two p.m.

12. A ttendance.—Present, all the Members except Senators Lieut.-Col. Cameron, Dawson, Macfarlane, Matheson, and Styles.

E. G. BLACKMORE, Clerk o f the Parliaments.

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