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THE PARLIAMENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA 1972-Parliamentary Paper No. 36

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEES A, B, C, D and E

REPORTS TO THE SENATE

ON

DEPARTMENTAL ADDITIONAL ESTIMATES 1971-72

Brough t up and ordered to be printed 11 May 1972

COMMONWEALTH GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE CANBERRA: 1972

Prlated by Authority by the Government Printer of the Commonwealth of Australia

RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE

RESOLUTION PASSED ON 18 APRIL 1972

PARTICULA RS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-PAPERS: The Minister for Health (Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson) laid upon the Table the following Papers, by Command of His Excellency the Governor-General: Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of

the Year Ending 30 June 1972. Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1972.

Reference to Estimates Committees: Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson, by leave, moved-( 1) That the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year Ending 30 June 1972 and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending

30 June 1972 be referred herewith to Estimates Committees A, B, C, D and E for examination and report.

(2) That the Committees deal with the departmental estimates as follows : Estimates Committee A: Department of Health Parliament

Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Department of the Treasury Department of Defence

Estimates Committee B: Attorney-General's Department Postmaster-General's Department Department of Immigration

Department of Social Services Department of the Environment, Aborigines and the Arts

Estimates Committee C: Department of Works Department of Foreign Affairs Department of Labour and National Service

Department of Education and Science Department of External Territories Department of Housing

Estimates Committee D: Department of Civil Aviation Department of Trade and Industry Department of National Development

Department of Shipping and Transport Department of Customs and Excise Department of the Interior Tourist Activities

Estimates Committee E: Department of Air Department of Primary Industry Department of the Army Repatriation Department Department of the Navy Department of Supply

(3) That the Committees report to the Senate on or before 11 May 1972. Question-put and passed.

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Contents

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1. Resolution of the Senate-18 April 1972

2. Estimates Committee A-Report 7

Minutes of Proceedings 1972-26 April 11

10 May 16

3. Estimates Committee B-Report 19

Minutes of Proceedings 1972-27 April 25

10 May 30

11 May 32

Appendix-Written answers to questions 35

4. Estimates Committee C-Report 39

Minutes of Proceedings 1972-26 April 43

Appendix-Written answers to questions 51

5. Estimates Committee D-Report 59

Minutes of Proceedings 1972-27 April 63

Appendix-Written answers to questions 71

6. Estimates Committee E-Report 77

Minutes of Proceedings 1972-10 May 81

11 May 84

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITIEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

1. Estimates Committee A has the honour to report to the Senate.

2. On 18 April 1972, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Departmental Estimates for the year 1971-72 relating to the following Departments: Health Parliament

Prime Minister and Cabinet Defence Treasury

3. The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Assistant Minister Assisting the Minister for Health and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the

information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 4) 1971-72 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1971-72.

4. The Committee places on record its appreciation of the explanations pro­ vided by the Assistant Minister and his Departmental advisers during the inquiries.

10 May 1972

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R. G. WITHERS ChairmQn

Estimates Committee A

of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 13 TUESDAY, 26 APRIL 1972

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.40 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Withers) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE: Pursuant to the Order of the Senate, the Committee proceeded to consider the particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1972, relat­ ing to the following departmental estimates:

Department of Health Parliament Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Department of Defence Department of the Treasury.

The Chairman called on Divisions 290-294 (Division A) and Division 842 (Document B)-Department of Health. Appearing: Senator the Hon J. E. Marriott, Assistant Minister Assisting the Minister for Health, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Health: Mr M. Carroll, Assistant Director-General (Planning and Research); Mr L. W. Lane, Acting Assistant Director-General (Establishments and Finance);

Dr A. M. Walshe, Assistant Director-General (Therapeutic Substances Branch); Mr R. G. Walton, Director (Finance); Mr P. R. Griffin, Chief Accountant; Mr W. G. May, Principal Executive Officer, Australian Capital Territory

Health Services. Department of the Treasury: Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch. Paper: Senator Marriott submitted the following paper:

Commonwealth Department of Health, Additional Estimates 1971-72, Explanatory Statements. The following particulars of proposed provision for additional expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A Division 290-Administrative Division 292-Australian Capital Territory Health Services .. Division Territory Health Services

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$

694,300 736,900 448,200

Document B Division 842-Payments to or for the States 315,000

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Health concluded.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR PARLIAMENT: Appearing with the Assistant Minister: Department of the Senate:

Mr J . R. Odgers, Clerk of the Senate; Mr H. G. Smith, Usher of the Black Rod; Mr R. G. Mair, Administrative Officer; Mr K. 0. Bradshaw, Clerk Assistant. Department of the Parliamentary Reporting Staff:

Mr W. J. Bridgman, Principal Parliamentary Reporter; Mr F. W. Temperley, Administrative Officer. Department of the Parliamentary Library: Mr H. Knight, Finance Officer. Joint House Department:

Mr R. W. Hillyer, Secretary; Mr R. L. Burrell, Chief Executive Officer. Papers: Senator Marriott submitted the following papers: 1. Department of the Senate, Explanations of Additional Estimates

1971-72. 2. Department of the Parliamentary Reporting Staff, Additional Estimates 1971-72, Explanatory Notes. 3. Department of the Parliamentary Library, Additional Estimates 19.71-72,

Explanatory Notes. The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Divisions 101-109-Parliament (Document A). The · following particulars of proposed provision for additional estimates were considered by the Committee:

Document A Division 101--Senate Division 102-House of Representatives Division 103-Parliamentary Reporting Staff

Division 104-Library Division 1 05-J oint House Department .. Division lOS-Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works ..

Division 1 09-J oint Committee of Public Accounts

$

69,100 31,000 50,100 76,000 47,100

13,700 2,000

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for Parliament concluded.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET: Appearing with the Assistant Minister: Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet:

Mr P. H. Bailey, Deputy Secretary; Mr J. G. Hinton, Director, Establishments and Finance Branch.

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Public Service Board: Mr H. B. MacDonald, Secretary; Mr R. N. Allen, Senior Inspector. Auditor-General's Office:

Mr J. K. Lawrence, First Assistant Auditor-General; Mr D. W. Burdett, Acting Controller. Papers: Senator Marriott submitted the following papers: 1. Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet-Information for Senate

Estimates Committee-Additional Estimates, April 1972. 2. Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet-Auditor-General's Office, Explanation of Additional Estimates, 1971-72. 3. Office of the Public Service Board, Information for Senate Estimates

Committee-Additional Estimates, April 1972.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Divisions 430-456--Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (Docu­ ment A) Division 880-Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (Document

B).

The following particulars of proposed provision for additional estimates were considered by the Committee: Document A Division 430-Administrative

Division 434-Ministers of State, Leaders of the Opposition and Parliamentary Parties and Staffs Division 436-High Commissioner's Office, United Kingdom Division 440-0fficial Establishments ..

Division 442-Governor-General's Office Division 450-Commonwealth Grants Commission Division 454-Auditor-General's Office Division 456-Public Service Board

Document B Division 880-Capital Works and Services

$

153,000

202,200 336,200 3,000 1,500

2,400 3,500 158,300

19,600

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet concluded.

5. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE: Appearing with the Assistant Minister: Department of Defence:

Mr E. Dwyer, First Assistant Secretary, Manpower Planning and Manage­ ment Services; Mr R. Beaver, Assistant Secretary, Management Services; Mr D. Clues, Assistant Secretary, External Programmes and Standardisa­

tion;

Brigadier R. Roseblade, Director-General of Recruiting; Mr F. Daly, Executive Officer.

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Department of the Treasury: Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Accounting and Supply Division. The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Divisions 600-616, Department of Defence (Document A). The following particulars of proposed provision for additional estimates were considered by the Committee:

Document A Division 600-Administrative Division 602-Recruiting Campaign Division 615-General Average Contribution-Defence Ser­

vices Cargo in S.S. African Star Division 616-Rent

$

639,800 12,600

528,200 31 ,000

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Defence concluded.

6. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY: Appearing with the Assistant Minister: Department of the Treasury:

Mr D. M. Goonan, Acting Director, Establishment Section, Management Services; Mr K. F. Corbitt, Finance Officer, Management Services; Mr B. D. Bell, Assistant Finance Officer, Management Services ;

Mr D. V. Moye, Chief Finance Officer, Commonwealth-State Financial Relations Branch. Paper: Senator Marriott submitted the following paper: 1. Department of the Treasury-Explanation of Additional Estimates

1971-72. .

The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Divisions 540-552-Department of the Treasury (Document A) Divisions 915-917-Department of the Treasury (Document B)

The following particulars of proposed provision for additional estimates were considered by the Committee: Document A Division 540-Administrative

Division Taxation Office

Division 548-Taxation Boards of Review Division 550-0ffice of the Superannuation and Defence Forces Retirement Benefits Board ..

Division 552-Bureau of Census and Statistics Document B

$

715,600 1,351 ,000 700

40,400 183 ,000

Division 915-Capital Works and Services 201,000

Division 917-Payments to or for the States 48,708 ,800

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of the Treasury concluded.

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7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.07 p.m.

8. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator R. G. Withers (Chairman), Senator the Hon. V. C. Gair, Senators Georges, Gietzelt, Guilfoyle, Jessop, D. McClelland and Maunsell (8).

CONFIRMED:

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R. G. WITHERS Chairman

TilE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITIEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 14

WEDNESDAY, 10 MAY 1972

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.30 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Withers) took the Chair.

2. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered a draft Report to the Senate. Resolved-That the Report be adopted. 3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 4.45 p.m.

4. ATIENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Withers (Chairman), Senators Guilfoyle, Jessop and D. McClelland (4).

CONFIRMED:

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R. G. WITIIERS Chairman

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE 8

REPORT TO mE SENATE

Estimates Committee B has the honour to present its report to the Senate. On 18 April 1972, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Estimates for the year 1971-72 relating to the following Departments: Attorney-General's

Postmaster -General's Immigration Social Services Environment, Aborigines and the Arts.

The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Attorney-General, the Minister for Civil Aviation in his capacity of Acting Postmaster-General and officers of the Departments concerned.

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard report of the evidence are tabled for the assistance of the Senate in connection with its consideration of the Appropriation Bill (No.4) 1971-72 and the Appropriation Bill (No.5) 1971-72.

During the hearings of the Committee, the Attorney-General undertook to provide certain additional information to the Committee. A copy of a reply received in answer to a question asked by Senator Mulvihill is attached as an Appendix to the report.

The Committee reminds the Senate that, in its last report on the estimates for 1971-72 it stated that: 'There appeared to the Committee to be a lack of understanding by officers of the Austra­ lian Broadcasting Control Board and the Australian Broadcasting Commission of the account·

abi lity to Parliament of Statutory Corporations. The Committee is of the opinion that whilst it may be argued that these bodies are not accountable through the responsible Minister of State to Parliament fo r day to day operations, Statutory Corporations may be called to account by Parliament itself at any time and that there are no areas of expenditure of public funds where these corporations have a discretion to withhold details or explanations from Parliament or its Committees unless the Parliament has expressly provided otherwise.'.

The Committee also reminds the Senate that on 9 December 1971 it adopted the following Resolution: 'That the Committee [of the Whole Senate] is of the Opinion that, unless the Parliament has expressly provided otherwise, there is no area of expenditure of public funds by Statutory Authorities which cannot be examined by Parliament or its Committees, and in this regard

confirms the opin ion expressed in the report to the Senate by Estimates Committee B, viz.­ "The Committee is of the opinion that whilst it may be argued that these bodies are not acc ountable through the responsible Minister of State to Parliament for day to day operations, Statutory Corporations may be called to account by Parliament itself at any time and that

there are no areas of expenditure of public funds where these corporations have a discretion to withhold details or explanations from Parliament or its Committees unless the Parliament has expressly provided otherwise."'.

The Committee, noting the confirmation by the Senate of the view expressed in its November 1971 report, has considered further questions which arise in relation to this matter.

After some delay the Committee received from the Acting Postmaster-General the deferred answers to questions asked by Committee members.

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In that reply the Minister raised the question of the possible detriment to the business interests of a Statutory Corporation, and therefore to the public interest, if such a Statutory Corporation was required to divulge, in public, information which would weaken the bargaining and competitive position of that Corporation.

The Committee unanimously agreed that without necessarily accepting the reasons stated in the Minister's letter in relation to the particular questions an d their subject matter, it did recognise the existence of some circumstances which would warrant the objection of a Statutory Corporation or government department to answering questions or supplying information in public.

The Committee believes that all such information should be available but that in some circumstances it must be upon a prima facie confidential basis. The Committee believes that in such circumstances a Committee should hear such information whilst sitting in private session.

With these views the Attorney-General, as the Minister representing the Postmaster-General, agreed. He said: 'I think I may state that the view of the Postmaster-General-and it would be the view of the Government-in relation to the disclosure of information by statutory authorities to the

Senate Committees, would be that put by me in the debate on the motion moved by Senator Murphy when the appropriations were being considered on 2nd December 1971. As to the Australian Broadcasting Commission, looked at in the light of the tenns of the motion that was moved, there is a debatable question whether the provisions of the Broadcasting and Television Act have exclusively indicated the extent and the manner in which Parliament is

to supervise the finances of the Commission. I do not put the view that as a general rule the Commission is not under obligation to furnish information as to expenditure, if Parliament, through its Committees, and in accordance with proper procedures, insists upon the information being provided. However, where the information is of a confidential business nature and the Committee nevertheless insists on its being furnished, the Postmaster-General would, in my view, be justified in requesting that the information be received subject to conditions that will protect its confidentiality.'

However, upon consideration and advice, the Committee has concluded that considerable doubt exists as to whether a Senate Estimates Committee has, under the present Standing Orders and Terms of Reference, the power, on its own initiative, to take evidence in private session.

Paragraph (8) of the Resolution of 11 June 1970, by which the Estimates Committees were established, reads: '(8) The Committee shall sit in open session, unless otherwise ordered, may sit during any adjournment or suspension of the Senate, and may adjourn from time to time.'.

Paragraph (7) reads: '(7) A Senator, though not a member of a Committee, may attend and participate in its deliberations, and question witnesses unless the Committee orders otherwise, but shall not vote.'.

In paragraph (7) the words 'unless the Committee orders otherwise' are used whilst in paragraph (8) the words used are 'unless otherwise ordered'. It may be that the intention of the Senate expressed in the Resolution of 11 June 1970, was that a committee shall sit in open session unless otherwise ordered by the Senate.

It would therefore appear that some revision of the Standing Orders and Terms of Reference under which Estimates Committees operate may be necessary to permit them to hear evidence in private session on their own initiative.

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The Committee is therefore of the opmwn that the matter of Estimates Committees meeting in private session should be referred to the Standing Orders Committee for its consideration and report to the Senate prior to the next meetings of the Estimates Committees.

In reporting thus, the Committee is aware that some procedural difficulties may arise if evidence is taken in private session but such possible difficulties may well be surmounted by the recommendations of the Standing Orders Committee.

Further, the Committee points out that such action as is recommended should nof inhibit Senators who are not members of the particular Estimates Committee from attending and participating in such a session.

In making this report the Committee draws attention to the two important principles arising. First, that subject only to any express legislative provision to the contrary, there is no area of expenditure of public funds of Statutory Corporations which cannot be examined by Parliament or its Committees and

secondly, that circumstances may well exist where the interests of such corporations may be adversely affected by the public disclosure of information relating to their commercial or business activities.

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P. E. RAE Chairman

Estimates Committee B

of ProceedUngs

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMIITEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 16

THURSDAY, 27 APRIL 1972

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 12.30 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Rae) took the Chair.

2. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the particulars of proposed additional expenditure and stated that, pursuant to the Order of the Senate the Committee would consider the particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the service of the year ending 30 June

1972 relating to the following departmental additional estimates:

I Division Document* ' Page No. Department Amount

$

A 6- 9 130-144 Attorney-General's 715,900

B 3 805 Attorney-General's 9,400

A 35 405 Postmaster-General's 1, 693,000

B 6 870 Postmaster-General's 15,000,000

A 25 330-332 Immigration 1,854,200

B 5 852 Immigration 10,200

A 44 500 Social Services 2,520,500

A 15- 17 245-254 Environment, Aborigines and the Arts 969,800

B 3 828 Environment, Aborigines and the Arts 3,800

* Document A- 'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1972'. * Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1972.'

Ordered-That consideration of additional estimates for the Postmaster­ General's Department be postponed until after the consideration of additional estimates relating to the Department of the Environment, Aborigines and the Arts.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-ATTORNEY-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Attorney-General, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr H. T. Bennett, First Assistant Secretary, Executive 'B', Attorney­ General's Department

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Mr G. J. Yuill, Senior Assistant Secretary, Executive 'B', Attorney­ General's Department Mr A. R. Watson, Senior Assistant Secretary, Executive 'A', Attorney­ General's Department Mr R. Phillips, Acting Senior Assistant Secretary, Executive and Manage­

ment Services Division, Attorney-General's Department Mr R. A. Jenkins, Director 'B' Section, Management Services Branch, Attorney-General's Department Mr K. Geary, Senior Finance Officer, Attorney-General's Department Mr J. Q. Ewens, First Parliamentary Counsel, Office of Parliamentary

Counsel Mr B. Quayle, Second Parliamentary Counsel, Office of Parliamentary Counsel Mr K. Collings, Assistant Commissioner, Office of the Commission of Trade

Practices.

Treasury Official: Mr A. M. Finch, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting Opera­ tions Branch. Availability of Explanatory Notes: Ordered, after discussion with the Attorney-General-That the Explanatory Notes relating to the Attorney­ Generals Department, be made available to members of the Press on request. The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were con­ sidered by the Committee:

Document A Division 130-Administrative Division 131-0ffice of Parliamentary Counsel Division 132-Reporting Branch

Division 133-Crown Solicitor's Office Division 134-High Court .. Division 13 6-Bankruptcy Administration Division 13 7 -Conciliation and Arbitration

Division 138-Patent, Trade Marks and Designs Offices Division 139-Legal Service Bureaux Division 140-0ffice of the Commissioner of Trade Practices Division 141-Commonwealth Police Force Division 142-Australian Police College Division 143-Australian Capital Territory Courts and

Registration Offices Division 144-Northern Territory Courts and Registration Offices

Document B Division 805-Capital Works and Services

$

212,700 5,000 12,100 27,600 56,000

8,400 92,400 94,600 200

51 ,000 78,100 2,900

66 ,000

8,900

9,400

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Attorney-General's Department concluded.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION: Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q .C., Attorney-General, accompanied by the followin g officers of the Department of Immigration:

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Mr S. J. Dempsey, First Assistant Secretary, Planning Research and Information Division Mr E. L. Charles, Assistant Secretary, Integration Branch Mr T. T. McElroy, Director, Finance and General Services Section. Mr W. E. Law, Director, Migrant Accommodation Section

Mr A. W. Burt, Finance Officer, Finance and General Services Section Mr W. P. Logan, Estimates Officer, Finance and General Services Section. Treasury Official: Mr A. M. Finch, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting Opera­ tions Branch. The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered

by the Committee: Document A Division 330-Administrative Division 332-0verseas Service Document B

Division 852-Payments to or for the States .. Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department concluded.

$

1,833,300 20,900

10,200

of Immigration

5. AVAILABILITY OF EXPLANATORY NOTES: Ordered, after discussion with the Attorney-General-That Explanatory Notes relating to the Depart­ ments to be considered by the Committee be made available to members of the Press on request.

6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES: Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Attorney-General, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Social Services:

Mr K. T. Kimball, Acting First Assistant Director-General (Management) Mr P. Shine, Assistant Director-General (Rehabilitation) Mr C. Calvert, Acting Assistant Director-General (Operations) Mr A. F. Sykes, Director (Establishments) Mr J. A. Lucas, Director (Aged Persons Homes). Treasury Official: Mr A. M. Finch, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch. The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by tbe Committee:

Document A $

Division 500-Administrative 2,520,500

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Social Services concluded.

7. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPARTMENT OF THE ENVIRONMENT, ABORIGINES AND THE ARTS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Attorney-General,

accompanied by the following officers: Mr R.N. Townsend, Deputy Secretary Mr A. J. Ayers, Assistant Secretary, Office of the Environment

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Mr L. A. J. Malone, Director, Establishments and Finance Branch Mr B. S. Wisener, Clerk, Establishments and Finance Branch Mr J. D. Dunner, Director, Commonwealth Archives Office Mr J. Manea, Officer-in-Charge, Repository Management Mr N. M. Boyle, Assistant Controller, Australian Government Publishing

Service Mr B. P. Shurman, Director (Publishing), Australian Government Publish­ ing Service Mr M. T. Woodcock, Finance Officer, Australian Government Publishing

Service Mr B. G. Dexter, Director, Office of Aboriginal Affairs Mr R. Huey, Clerk, Office of Aboriginal Affairs. Treasury Official: Mr A. M. Finch, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch.

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee: Document A Division 245-Administrative

Division 24 7 -Assistance for the Arts Division 249-Commonwealth Archives Office Division 250-Australian Government Publishing Service Division 252-Australian War Memorial Division 254-0ffice of Aboriginal Affairs Document B

Division 828-Capital Works and Services

$

731,900 57,000 27,100 129,600

3,700 20,500

3,800

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of the Environ­ ment, Aborigines and the Arts concluded.

8. DELIBERATIVE MEETING: The Committee considered a statement pro­ posed to be made relating to the estimates for the Australian Broadcasting Commission. It was resolved-That the Committee agrees unanimously that the statement relating to the estimates for the Australian Broadcasting Commission be made at the commencement of consideration of the proposed additional expenditure for the Postmaster-General's Department.

9. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-POSTMASTER-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation and Acting Postmaster-General, accompanied by the following officers : Mr P. A. Dorrian, Assistant General Manager (Administration), Australian Broadcasting Commission

Mr R. G. Gifford, Assistant Controller, Management Services (Finance), Australian Broadcasting Commission Mr A. A. Rendall, Head of Secretariat, Australian Broadcasting Commission Mr D. G. McQuitty, Senior Assistant Director-General (Finance and

Accounting), Postmaster-General's Department

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Mr D. M. Coleman, Assistant Director-General (Telecommunications), Postmaster-General's Department Mr J. R. Smith, Deputy Assistant Director-General (Commercial), Postal Services, Postmaster-General's Department

Mr A. B. French, Senior Finance Officer (Budgets), Postmaster-General's Department. Treasury Official: Mr A. M. Finch, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch. The Chairman called on the following Divisions:

Division 405, Postmaster-General's Department-$1,693,000 (Document A) Division 870, Postmaster-General's Department-$15,000,000 (Document B) Pursuant to the order of the Committee this day, the Chairman made a statement relating to the Committee's report on Estimates 1971-72 for the Australian Broadcasting Commission, to replies promised the Committee and

to the fact that such replies had not been forthcoming and stated that the Committee wished to obtain an answer prior to the further consideration of other matters arising under the additional estimates. Senator Cotton made a statement.

Postponement: Consideration of Division 405, Sub-Division 2, relating to proposed additional expenditure for the Australian Broadcasting Commission was postponed until after the consideration of Division 405, Sub-Division 3 and Division 870, both relating to proposed additional expenditure by the

Postmaster-General's Department. The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee: Document A $

Division 405-Broadcasting and Television Services Sub-Division 3-Technical and other Services-Sound Broadcasting and Television-For payment to the Post Office Trust Account in respect of expenditure

under Division 5 of Part III of the Broadcasting and Television Act and in respect of other expenditure 293,000 Document B Division 870--Capital Works and Services . . 15,000,000

And it being 5.30 p.m.

10. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

11. ATIENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bonner, Lawrie, McAuliffe, J. McClelland, Mulvihill and Rae (6). Senator D. McClelland also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

CONFIRMED:

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P.E.RAE Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 17

WEDNESDAY, 10 MAY 1972

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.25 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Rae) took the Chair.

2. DELIBERATIVE MEETING: The Chairman referred to statements made at the previous meeting of the Committee concerning Particulars of Proposed Expenditure and Additional Expenditure relating to the Australian Broad­ casting Commission. The Chairman then read a letter from the Acting Postmaster-General, Senator Cotton, replying to matters raised at that time. Discussion ensued on appropriate steps for the Committee to take following

receipt of the letter.

R esolved-That, unless the Committee orders otherwise, it report to the Senate that: (a) it has not departed from its previous stand reported to and adopted by the Senate on the accountability of Statutory Authorities to

Parliament; (b) it believes that, whilst it is entitled to be given all rele vant information, at times, it may not be in the public interest fo r evidence, such as that relating to the commercial interests of Statutory Authoriti es, to be

given to Estimates Committees in public; and (c) it therefore believes that at times an Estimates Committee should be capable of maki ng a decision to hear evidence in private session.

At the suggestion of Senator J ames McClelland, discmsi on ensued on the question of whether the matters the Australian Broadcasting Comm ission would still not divulge were matters which should remain secret.

Resolved--That the Committee do not press the Australian Broadcasting Commission for any answers which the Commission has refrained from supplying until the Senate has considered its report.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 19 71 -72 -POSTMASTER-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT :

Appearing: Senator th e Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., together with the following officers: Mr P. A. Dorrian, Assistant General Manager (Administration) , Australian Broadcasting Commission

Mr R . G. Gifford, Assistant Controller Management Services (Finance) , Australian Broadcasting Commission

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Mr C. Dean, Assistant Federal Director of Television Programmes, Aus­ tralian Broadcasting Commission Mr B. J. Connolly, Assistant Secretary, Australian Broadcasting Control Board. Treasury Official: Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations.

The Chairman called on the following postponed sub-division: Document A $

Division 405-Broadcasting and Television Services Sub-Division 2-Australian Broadcasting Commission-For expenditure under the Broadcasting and Television Act 1,400,000

The Chairman made a statement relating to the Committee's deliberations on the postponed sub-division and read the letter from the Acting Postmaster­ General, Senator Cotton, replying to matters raised at previous meetings of the Committee.

Discussion ensued.

Paper: The Attorney-General (Senator Greenwood) then tabled the following Paper: Television and Radio Programmed produced in A.B.C. Studios-Estimated Expenditure 1971-72. Discussion continued.

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered : S

Division 405-Broadcasting and Television Services Sub-Division 2-Australian Broadcasting Commission-For expenditure under the Broadcasting and Tele-vision Act . . 1,400,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Postmaster-General's Depart­ ment concluded.

And it being 6.08 p.m.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

5. ATrENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present : Senators Bonner, Byrne, Davidson, Lawrie, McAuliffe, J. McClelland, Mulvihill and Rae ( 8). Senators D. McClelland and Murphy also took part in the Committee's

proceedings.

CONFIRMED:

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P. E. RAE Chairman

THE. SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 18

THURSDAY, 11 MAY 1972

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 5.55 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Rae) took the Chair.

2. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered a draft of the Committee's Report to the Senate and made amendments thereto. Draft Report, as amended, agreed to.

3. MINUTES: The minutes of the meetings held on 27 April and 10 May were read and confirmed.

4. PRESENTATION OF REPORT: The Committee discussed the presentation of the Report. Resolved-That in presenting the Report, Senato·r Rae should read to the Senate relevant paragraphs of the Report.

S. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.07 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Byrne, Davidson, Lawrie, McAuliffe, J. McClelland, Mulvihill and Rae (7).

CERTIFIED CORRECT.

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P.E.RAE Chairman

Estimates Committee B

Appendix

Dear Senator,

ATTORNEY-GENERAL, CANBERRA. 2 MAY 1972

During the discussions of the Estimates Committee B on the additional estimates of my Department, Senator Mulvihill asked to be informed of the various Countries which provide police contingents for the United Nations Peace Keeping Force in Cyprus. The Countries concerned and the strength of the various contingents are shown below :

Australia-40 Austria-55 Denmark-40 Sweden-40

I am writing to advise you, as Chairman of the Estimates Committee B, of the answer to Senator Mulvihill's question. I have written to Senator MulVihill giving him the information.

Senator P. E . Rae, Chairman, Estimates Committee B, The Senate,

Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

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Yours sincerely, IVOR J. GREENWOOD

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee C has the honour to present its report to the Senate.

On 18 April 1972, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Estimates for the year 1971-72 relating to the following Departments:

Works Foreign Affairs Education and Science Labour and National Service

External Territories Housing

The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Works and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Hansard report of the evidence is tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 4)

1971-72 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1971-72.

Subsequent to the hearing of evidence and in accordance with undertakings given by the Minister for Works during the hearings, additional information was forwarded to the Committee in reply to certain questions asked during the proceedings. Copies of these replies are attached as an Appendix to the Report.

The Committee records its appreciation of evidence given by both the Minister for Works and the officers of the Departments concerned. The Committee also records its appreciation of the detailed explanations of the Additional Estimates which were received prior to the hearings and which in no small measure assisted

in the speedy consideration of the Additional Estimates.

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J.P. SIM Chairman

Estimates Committee C

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 16

WEDNESDAY, 26 APRIL 1972

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.40 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Sim) took the Chair. 2. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination

of particulars of proposed additional expenditure. 3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPARTMENT OF WORKS: Appearing: Senator the Han. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works accompanied

by the following officer from the Department of Works: Mr A. W. G. Miles, Deputy Assistant Director-General (Works) Treasury Official-Mr A. MeG. Finch Pursuant to the Order of Reference of the Senate of 18 April 1972, the

Committee commenced consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year Ending 30 June 1972 and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1972 relating to the following

departmental estimates:

I

Document* I Page Division

Department Amount I No. I

l

! $ I A I 51-52 580- 584 Works 1,376,800 B I 8 925 Works 4,656,300 A 20- 21 270- 272 Foreign Affairs 5,160,400 B 4 835 Foreign Affairs 100,600 A 12-14 230-241 Education and Science 5,206,300 B 3 825-827 Education and Science 65,500 A 32 370 Labour and National Service 631,200 A 61 755 Administration of the National Ser-vice Act 11 7,500 A 61 757 National Service-Vocational Train-ing-Technical Training 253,000 A 18-19 260- 268 External Territories 1,847 ,700 B 4 832 External Territories 1,700,000 A 24 310 Housing . . 303,800 B 4 845 Housing .. 5,000,000 * Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year endin g 30 June 1972'. * Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1972'. 43

The Chairman called on Divisions 580-584, Department of Works, $1,376,800 (Document A).

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A Division 5 SQ.-Administrative Division 582.-Furniture and Fittings Division 584.-Repairs and Maintenance

Document B Division 925.-Capital Works and Services

$

1,188,000 86,400 102,400

4,656,300

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Works concluded.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Foreign Affairs: Mr J. E. Ryan-First Assistant Secretary (Management Services Division) Mr I. G. Bowden-Assistant Secretary (Personnel Branch)

Mr R. G. Spratt-Assistant Secretary (Aid Branch) Mr A. L. Fogg-Acting Assistant Secretary (Services) Mr R. E. Johns-Director (Finance Section)

Treasury 0/ficial-Mr A. MeG. Finch.

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A $

Division 2 70.-Adrninistrative Division 272.-0verseas Service

3,404,300 1,756,100

Document B Division 835.-Capital Works and Services 100,600

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Foreign Affairs concluded.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND SCIENCE:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Education and Science: Mr C. A. Webster-Director, Establishments and Finance Branch Mr H. E. Hughes-Assistant Secretary, Student Assistance Branch

Mr P. B. Free-Assistant Secretary, Metric Conversion Branch Mr B. P. Peck-Acting Director, A.C.T. Education Section Dr J. A. Allen-Executive Officer, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization

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Mr R. W. Viney-Finance Manager, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization Mr H. Kwong-Budget Officer, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization Mr R. M. Gillett-Operations Officer, Australian Universiti es Commission

Treasury Official-Mr A. MeG. Finch

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A $

Division 230.-Administrative Division 231.-Metric Conversion Board Division 232.-Educational Services Division 234.-An glo-Australian Telescope Board Division 236.-Australian Universities Commission

Division 239.-Canberra College of Advanced Educa-tion Division 240.-National Standards Commission Division 241.-Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial

Research Organization ..

Document B Division 825 .-Capital Works and Services D ivision 827.-0ther Services

2,715,700 73,800 1,579,800 20,000

7,500

46,000 3,500

760,000

55,500 10,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Education and Science concluded.

6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR AND NATIONAL SERVICE:

A ppearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wri gh t, Minister fo r Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Labour and National Service :

Mr M. Kangan-First Assistant Secretary, Employment and Training Branch Mr D. Halpin-Assistant Secretary, Management Services Mr J. Ryder-Chief Finance Officer Mr J . O'Regan-Executive Officer

Treasury Ofjicial-Mr A. MeG. Finch

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A Division 370.-Administrative Division 755.-Administration of the National Service Act . . Division 757.-National Service-Vocational Training-

Technical Training

$

631,200 117,500

253,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Labour and National Service concluded.

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7. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL TERRITORIES: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of External Territories:

Mr M. A. Besley-First Assistant Secretary, Central Secretariat Mr D. Mentz-Assistant Secretary, Production and Trade Mr L. W. Temby-Assistant Secretary, Finance Mr A. C. H. Campbell-Officer-in-Charge, Government (Smaller Terri­

tories) Section Treasury Ofjicial-Mr A. MeG. Finch The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure considered by the Committee:

wer e

Document A Division 260.-Administrative Division 262.-Christmas Island Division 263 .-Cocos (Keeling) Isl ands Division 266.-Papua New Guinea-Miscellaneous Serv-

$

212,300 48,600 8,300

ices . . 1,547,600

Division 268.-Australian School of Pacific Administra-tion 30,900

Document B Division 832.-Capital Works and Services 1,700,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of External Territories concluded.

8. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING: Appearing:· Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Housing:

Mr K. D. A Medbury-Director of War Service Homes and First Assistant Secretary, Management Services Division Mr T. J. Kelly-First Assistant Secretary, Operations Division Dr R. Mendelsohn-First Assistant Secretary, Policy and Research

Division Mr J. J. O'Brien-Acting Director, Management Services Division Mr J. B. Elliott-Assistant Director (Finance) Treasury Official-Mr A. MeG. Finch

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure considered by the Committee: were Document A

Division 31 D.-Administrative

$

303,800

Document B Division 845.-Capital Works and Services 5,000,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Housing concluded. The Minister and Departmental officers withdrew.

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9. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE:

THE COMMITTEE CONSIDERED A DRAFT OF THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT TO THE SENATE. Senator Davidson moved-That the Report be adopted. Question-put and passed.

10. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.55 p.m.

11. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bishop, Dame Nancy Buttfield, Carrick, Davidson, Little, Milliner and Sim (7).

Senator Laucke also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

CERTIFIED CORRECT

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J.P. SIM Chairman

Estimates Committee C

Appendix

DEPARTMENT OF WORKS

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

Question Raised at Meeting, Wednesday 26 April 1972

At page 35 of Hansard, Senator Bishop asked-(a) What is the total number of staff and what is the number of those

employed on day labour? (b) Have the ceilings that were proposed on staff escalation some years ago reduced to any extent the activities of the Department?

Answers: (a) Total departmental employment as at 31.3.1972 was 14,078 comprising­ Staff-6,503 Day Labour-7,575. (b) While the Department is required to work within employment ceilings

these have not reduced the extent of the Department's activities.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

Question Raised at Meeting, Wednesday 26 April 1972 Senator Bishop (page 35): 'Specifically, I ask what amount can be directed to the saving related to the short fall as between the number of new staff and that for which provision was made' Senator Milliner (pages 36/37): 'I refer to page 8 of the explanatory statement.

I think you said, Mr Miles, that there is a saving of $21,000 because of the short fall of new staff but then you say other contributing factors in the additional appropriation were furlough, increments, higher duties, allow­ ances, etc. To what degree would furlough and allowances, for instance,

account for the additional estimate?'

Answer: The additional requirement of $679,000 comprises: (i) increased rates of pay approved after the original estimates $ were formulated. This relates to Second Division Officers

($78,000), Works Supervisors ($250,000) and Technical Grades ($372,000) 700,000

(ii) additional provision for special factors-furlough, incre-ments, higher duties, allowances, etc. . . 126,000

826,000

(iii) LESS-a saving as a result of a short fall of 25 between (a) the number of new staff now expected to be recruited during 1971-72 and (b) the level for which provision was made­ provision was included for a net increase of 289 new staff on

average whereas the increase is now assessed at 264 14 7,000

Net additional amount 679,000

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

Question Raised at Meeting, Wednesday 26 April 1972

At page 35 of Hansard in reply to Senator Bishop's question on departmental employment, Senator Wright undertook to provide figures in relation to retrenchments in the Department.

Answer: Retrenchments since 30.6.1971-Day Labour-30 Staff-Nil These comprised-

tO in Papua New Guinea-----curtailment of activities required of the Commonwealth Department of Works 19 in Queensland-completion of projects and reduced work load 1 in Victoria-reduced work load.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

Question Raised at Meeting, Wednesday 26 April 1972

At page 37 of Hansard, Senator Bishop asked, in view of Senator Wright's state­ ment that there had been a slight reduction in the departmental day labour staff, whether there had been any reduction in apprenticeship training?

Answer: Employment of apprentices­ as at 30.6.1971-599 as at 31.3.1972-537 Decrease of 62 includes loss of apprentices due to shortened periods of apprenticeships from five to four years.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

Question Raised at Meeting, Wednesday 26 April 1972

At page 37 of Hansard, Senator Bishop asked in relation to the revised estimate of payments under the Commonwealth Employees Compensation Act and the Compensation (Commonwealth Employees) Act (Item 580-2-05), what was the residue of claims under the old Act, i.e. the Commonwealth Employees Com­ pensation Act.

Answer: The additional appropriation is required to cover unpredicted claims for compensation which included a fatality. The residue of claims under the old Act could only be established by a detailed analysis of all compensation expenditure but is considered to be very small.

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

Question Raised at Meeting, Wednesday 26 April 1972

Senator Bishop-In relation to the total amount of $1,971,000 under sub­ division 1 (Division 925) is it possible for the Minister to give us later on-I do not suppose he has it now-a breakdown as to expenditure State by State? For example, what part of this amount is presently required for works in South Australia?

Answer: The additional amount of $1,971,000 was required to meet the estimated additional expenditure under 925 I 1 in the various Branches of the Department of Works as follows:

New South Wales Victoria Queensland South Australia

Western Australia Tasmania Northern Territory Australian Capital Territory

Papua New Guinea

Total

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$

335,000 1,210,000 80,000 Nil

175,000 12,000 75 ,000 56,000 28,000

1,971,000

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

Dear Senator Wright,

1424/8/2

Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 27 April 1972

During the examination of this Department's Additional Estimates you under­ took to inform the Committee, in answer to a question from Senator Bishop, of the number of Australian-made vehicles purchased and supplied to overseas missions during the past twenty-four months.

The answer to the question is that by the end of 1971/72 twenty-five Australian-made vehicles will have been supplied; thirty-nine were supplied in 1970/ 71 and thirty-seven in 1969/70. The decrease in the number of vehicles purchased in 1971/72 as compared with the two previous financial years di d not stem from any change in policy but was simply a reflection of a diminution in the programme of replacements this year. A first-hand examination has als o been made by senior officers of the Department in Canberra of the style and

performance of the Holden Statesman de Ville. As a consequence of this, the Department proposes to supply the Holden Statesman de Ville for use by Heads of Australian Diplomatic and Consular Missions where the practical considerations make this feasible.

You also asked, for your own information, the cost of constructing cottages at the Australian Diplomatic Compound, New Delhi. During 1968 two cottages at Group 4 standards (Third Secretary) were constructed at a total cost of $55,000. A house for the Deputy High Commissioner is currently under

construction at a contracted cost of $A125 ,274 with 10 November 1972 as the expected completion date.

Senator The Hon. R. C. Wright, The Senate, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

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Yours sincerely

(J. E. Ryan) First Assistant Secretary (Management Services )

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA

Dear Senator Wright,

Department of Housing Anzac Parade West Building Parkes, A.C.T. 2600

3 May 1972

Senate Estimates Committee C-Consideration of Additional Estimates Proposals­ Department of Housing

In the course of the Committee's examination on 26 April 1972 of this Department's proposals for additional expenditure to be incurred during 1971-72, Senator Bishop sought further information in regard to the additional number of persons proceeding on furlough and the extent of the reduction in the incidence of

leave without pay and half pay during the present financial year.

The information requested is now available and I am attaching 12 copies of the answers to these questions.

Sen ator The H on. R . C. Wright, Minister for Works, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

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Yours sincerely,

K. D. A. MEDBUR Y

Director of War Service Homes and First Assistant Secretary Management Services Division

Page 60-Hansard, Senate Estimates Committee C 26 April1972 Answer to Question by Senator Bishop Division 310 I 1 I 0 I Salaries and A /lowances

Department of Housing

During the consideration by the Senate Estimates Committee C of the proposed additional expenditure by the Department of Housing during 1971172 under Division 31011101-Salaries and Allowances, Senator Bishop asked the Minister for Works representing the Minister for Housing to supply further information

relating to the number of persons involved in the unexpected furlough payments totalling $12,761 referred to in the explanations and particulars of the reduction in the incidence of leave without pay or leave on half pay.

The following information is furnished in relation to the questions raised by Senator Bishop: (a) The additional furlough payments totalling $ 12,761 provided for in the estimates cover payments to 6 officers for which no provision was made

in the original estimates. (b) In the original estimates allowance was made for 28 officers to proceed on extended leave without pay. It is now estimated that only 16 officers will proceed on extended leave without pay during the present financial

year.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITIEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee D has the honour to present its Report to the Senate. On 19 April 1972, the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year Ending 30 June 1972, and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1972, relating to the following departmental estimates:

Document* I Page I

Division I Department Amount No. I I I ---- -I

s

A 10 170- 172 Civil Aviation . . . . . . 3,600,400

B 3 810 Civil Aviation . . . . .. 350,000

A 46-47 520- 530 Trade and Industry . . . . . . 795,200

B 7 910 Trade and Industry .. . . . . 339,500

A 33-34 390- 39 8 National Development .. . . 1,219,100

B 6 865 I National Development . . .. 310,000

A 42-43 480-490 Shipping and Transport . . .. 10,116,100

B 7 890 Shipping and Transport . . .. 480,000

A 11

I 210 Customs and Excise . . .. . . 1,489,300 A 26- 31 350- J68 Interior . . . . .. .. 5,869,100 B 5- 6 855 Interior . . . . .. .. 3,056,800

A 61 752 Civil Defence . . .. .. 39,000

• Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1972'. • Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year endin g 30 June 1972'.

The Committee has considered these particulars of proposed additional expenditure and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Civil Aviation and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee together with the

Hansard report of the evidence given before the Committee is tabled for the information of the Senate. In accordance with undertakings given by the Minister during the hearings, further information was supplied to the Committee in reply to questions raised during the proceedings. Copies of the documents containing this information are

included as an Appendix to this Report. The Committee extends its appreciation to the Minister for Civil Aviation, Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, and to those departmental officers attending the Committee for their co-operation and assistance.

The Committee places on record its appreciation of the detailed explanations of the particulars of proposed additional expenditure provided by the Minister for Civil Aviation on behalf of his and other Departments.

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C. L. LAUCKE Chairman

Estimates Committee D

of ProceedUngs

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 16

THURSDAY, 27 APRIL 1972

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in the Senate Chamber at 12.32 p.m.

2. CHAIRMAN'S OPENING STATEMENT: The Chairman made a statement on procedure.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE: Pursuant to the Order of Reference of the Senate of 19 April 1972 the Committee commenced consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year

Ending 30 June 1972, and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1972, relating to the following departmental estimates:

Document* Page Division Department Amount

No.

$

A 10 170-172 Civil Aviation . . .. . . 3,600,000

B 3 810 Civil Aviation . . .. .. 350,000

A 46--47 520-530 Trade and Industry . . .. 795,200

B 7 910 Trade and Industry .. .. 339,500

A 33-34 390-398 National Development .. . . 1,219,100

B 6 865 National Development . . .. 310,000

A 42-43 480-490 Shipping and Transport .. .. 10,116,100

B 7 890 Shipping and Transport .. .. 480,000

A 11 210 Customs and Excise . . .. 1,489,300

A 26-31 35();..3'68 Interior .. . . . . . . 5,869,100

B 5-6 855 Interior . . . . . . .. 3,.056,800

A 61 752 CiviJ, Defence .. ... . . 39;000

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• Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1972'. • Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1972'.

The Chairman called on Divisions 170-172, Department of Civil Aviation. Appearing: Senator the Han. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accompanied by Mr G. R. Woodward, Assistant Director-General (Finance), Department of Civil Aviation; Mr H. S. Griffiths, Acting Director, Financial

Studies and Assistance, Department of Civil Aviation; and Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury.

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The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered by the Committee: Document A Division 170-Administrative and Operational

Division 172-Development of Civil Aviation

Total: Department of Civil Aviation

$

3,520,000 80,400

3,600,400

The Chairman called on Division 810, Department of Civil Aviation.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered : Document B $

Division 810-Capital Works and Services 350,000

The Chairman called on Divisions 520-530, Department of Trade and Industry.

Appearing: Senator the Ron. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation; Mr R. C. Moore, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr E. J. Lewin, Director Finance, Management Services Branch, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr A. M. Godfrey, Assistant Secretary, Policy Secretariat, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr S. J.

Maliphant, Assistant Secretary, Exports Promotion Division, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr R. J. Thomas, Assistant Secretary, Policy Develop­ ment Division, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr R. G. Robertson, Chief Executive Officer, Tariff Board, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr R. L. Gray, Director, Secondary Industry Policy Division, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr N. T. Scrivenor, Chairman, Australian Industrial Research and Development Grants Board, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr F. D. Quinane, Assistant Secretary, Overseas Markets Division, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr K. Liddy, Acting Director, Overseas Markets Division, Department of Trade and Industry; and Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered : Document A $

Division 520-Administrative . . 197,000•

Division 522-Tariff Board 67,20()

Division 526-Australian Industrial Research and Development Grants Board Division 530-Trade Commissioner Service

Total: Department of Trade and Industry

10,500· 520,500

795,200·

The Chairman called on Division 910, Department of Trade and Industry.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered : Document B $

Division 910-Capital Works and Services 339,500•

The Chairman called on Divisions 390-398, Department of Nationat Development.

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Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation; Mr R. H. J. Thompson, Assistant Secretary (Management Services Branch), Department of National Development; Mr K. R. Harding, Assistant Secretary (Off -Shore Resources and Mineral Council Section), Department of National

Development; Mr A. I. McCutchan, Senior Assistant Secretary (Water, Power and Geographic Branch), Department of National Development; l'v1r L. W. Williams, Assistant Director (Petroleum Exploration Branch, Bureau of Mineral Resources), Department of National Development; Mr M. J. Nicholson, Finance Officer, Department of National Development; Mr W.

Woodward, Chief Finance Officer, Snowy Mountains Hydro-Electric Authority; and Mr R. J . Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 390-Administrative Division 392-Northern Division Division 394-Division of National Mapping

Division 396--Bureau of Mineral Resources Division 398-Forestry and Timber Bureau

Total: Department of National Development

$

509,700 1,100 130,600 463,800

104,900

1,219,100

The Chairman called on Division 865, Department of National Development.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

Document B Division 865-Capital Works and Services

$

310,000

The Chairman called on Divisions 480-490, Department of Shipping and Transport.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation; Mr K. A. Murton, Assistant Secretary (Management Services) , Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr E. H. Ballard, Controller-Finance, Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr K. Mathews, Chief Clerk-Commonwealth Rail­

ways, Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr J. Harris, Administrative Assistant-Commonwealth Railways, Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr R. S. McCormack, Secretary-Commonwealth Bureau of Roads, Depart­ ment of Shipping and Transport; Mr B. O'Leary, Chief Clerk and Accountant,

Commonwealth Bureau of Roads, Department of Shipping and Transport; and Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 480-Administrative Division 482-Commonwealth Bureau of Roads Division 486-Shipbuilding Division

Division 490-Commonwealth Railways

Total: Department of Shipping and Transport

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$

605,100 16,000 8,000,000 1,495,000

10,116,100

The Chairman called on Division 890, Department of Shipping and Transport.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered : Document B S

Division 890-Capital Works and Services 480,000

The Chairman called on Division 210, Department of Customs and Excise.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation; Mr J. E. Walsh, First Assistant Comptroller-General (Management and Technical Services), Department of Customs and Excise; Mr D. L. O'Connor, First Assistant Comptroller-General (Tariff and Appraisements), Department of Customs and Excise; Mr V. Montgomery, Assistant Comptroller-General

(By-Law), Department of Customs and Excise; Mr D. G. Marshall, Assistant Comptroller-General (Tariff and Appraisements), Department of Customs and Excise; Mr A. B. Luckman, Assistant Comptroller-General (Inland Services) , Department of Customs and Excise; Mr J. T. O'Connor, Assistant Comptroller­ General (Special Services) , Department of Customs and Excise; Mr D. J. Roche, Assistant Comptroller-General (Management) , Department of Customs and Excise; Mr R. J. Carmody, Assistant Comptroller-General

(Import Control), Department of Customs and Excise; Mr D. K. Campbell, Assistant Comptroller-General (Revenue), Department of Customs and Excise; Mr R. W. Whitelaw, Director (Control and Legislation), Department of Customs and Excise; Mr G. W. Sheldon, Director (Literature Review and Policy), Department of Customs and Excise; and Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were examined : Document A Division 210-Administrative .. $

1,489,300

The Chairman called on Divisions 350-368, Department of the Interior.

Appearing: Senator the Han. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation ; Mr D . M. Lalor (Acting Assistant Secretary, Finance and Supply) , Department of the Interior; Mr R. M. Smeaton (Acting Senior Inspector, Personnel and Services), Department of the Interior; Mr J. H . Marshall (Assistant Secretary, Facilities), Department of the Interior; Mr J. Northage (Assistant Secretary, N.T. Primary Industries), Department of the Interior; Mr J. S. Brigg (Assistant Secretary, N.T. Government and Community Affairs), Department of the Interior; Mr G. L. Mansfield (Assistant Secretary, N.T. Economic Services) , Department of the Interior; Mr J. B. Machin (Assistant Secretary, N .T. Welfare and Social Services) , Department of the Interior; Mr I. C. Hamilton

(Director, News and Information Bureau) , Department of the Interior; Mr W. D. Kennedy (Surveyor-General), Department of the Interior; Mr E . P. O'Brien (Executive Officer, Housing), Department of the Interior; Mr J. W. Browne (Executive Officer, A .C.T . Police) , Department of the Interior; Mr T. F. Hopkinson (Director, Programming and Projects, Property Division) ,

Department of the Interior; Mr J. M. Herner (Director, Welfare) , Department of the Interior; Mr M. W. Edgerley (Director, Forests), Department of th e Interior; Mr J. T. Davies (Acting Director, Land Co-ordination) , Department of the Interior; Mr D. W. Shoobridge (Director, Parks and Gardens), Depart­ ment of the Interior; Mr L. W. Ryan (Executive Officer, Lands Division) ,

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Department of the Interior; Mr R. C. Burroughs (Acting Director, Finance and Supply), Depl\rtment of the Interior; Mr C. S. Hamilton (Acting Finance Officer, Budgeting and Works Programming), Department of the Interior; Mr N. H. Burke (Senior Clerk, Electoral Office), Department of the Interior;

Mr K. A. Meyers (Business Manager), National Capital Development Commission; Mr K. J. Curtis (Principal Executive Officer), National Capital Development Commission; and Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were examined :

Division 350-Administrative .. Division 351-Ministers and Members of Parliament and Others-Office Accommodation and Travel Division 354-Rent . .

Division 357-Electoral Branch Division 35 8-Commonwealth Bureau of Meteorology Division 360-News and Information Bureau Division 362-Australian Capital Territory Services

Division 363-Australian Capital Territory Police .. Division 364-National Capital Development Commission Division 366-Northern Territory Legislative Council Division 368-Northern Territory Services

Total: Department of the Interior

The Chairman called on Division 855, Department of the Interior.

$

714,000

217,300 865 ,800 223 ,200 793,800

54,700 377,400 510,300 38,000

1,600

2,073 ,000

5,869,100

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were examined : Document B $

Division 855-Capital Works and Services 3,056,800

The Chairman called on Division 752, Civil Defence.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were examined: Document A $

Division 752-Civil Defence 39,000

(The sitting was suspended and resumed in private session)

4. REPORT TO THE SENATE: The Committee deliberated on its Report to the Senate.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.07 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Laucke (Chairman), Senators Bishop, Cant, Hannan, Jessop, Maunsell and Townley (7).

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C. L. LAUCKE Chairman

Estimates Committee D

Appendix

DEPARTMENT OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT

The Secretary, Senate Estimates Committee D, Parliament House, CANBERRA, A.C.T. 2600

P.O. Box 367, Canberra City, A.C.T. 2601

S May 1972

In the consideration of the 1971-72 Additional Estimates of Expenditure for the Department of Shipping and Transport by the Senate Estimates Committee D on 27 April, it was undertaken to provide additional information on questions asked of departmental officers through the Minister.

The understood substance of the questions and the answers thereto are set out in the attachment.

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K. A. MURTON Assistant Secretary Management Services Branch

ATTACHMENT

Senator Jessop: Asked for a breakdown of funds to be spent by the Bureau of Roads on consulting services, computer programming, data processing, etc., includ­ ing information on payments to consultants. Division 482.

Answer: Details of planned expenditure on 'External Services' items for 1971-72 leading to a requirement of an additional $19,000 over the original appropriation are shown in the following table:

I

Allocation of I Revised

'External Services' Item

Appropriation Estimate of to 'External Expenditure Services' s s

Consultants (professional fees and expenses) . . 96,815 99,453*

Technical Services .. . . . . 20,000 19,395

Computer Programming . . . . .. 65,000 74,128

Data Processing . . . . . . .. 18,000 25,461

A.R.S. 1969-74 . . .. . . . . 10,000 10,000

209,815 228,437

Estimated payments to specific consultants are detailed below:

Name of Consultant

Aiken O'Connell & Co. . . . . . . . . . .

P. G. Pak-Poy and Associates . . . . . . . .

W. D. Scott & Co. Pty Ltd . . . . . . . .

Philip Shrapnel & Co. Pty Ltd . . . . . . . .

F. Penhalluriack & Sons . . . . . . . . . .

Sinclair & Knight . . . . . . . . . .

P-E Consulting Group (Aust.) Pty Ltd . . . . . .

John Patterson Urban Systems Pty Ltd . . . . . .

Australian Sales Research Bureau Pty Ltd . . . . . .

Dr A. J. Miller (University of Melbourne) . . . . . .

Drs J. Howard & A. J. Miller . . . . . . . .

G. Dowcra (University of Queensland) . . . . . .

B. D. Haig (Australian National University) . . . .

School of Traffic Engineering, University of New South Wales .. G. J. Harris, Macquarie University, New South Wales .. P. Fitzwarryne, Institute of Highway and Traffic Research, University of New South Wales . . . . . . . .

Messrs D . Hotchkiss & D. Hensher, University of New South Wales . . . . . . . . . . . .

Mr D. Hensher, University of New South Wales . . . .

Messrs Hotchkiss & Hicks, University of New South Wales .. Professor Drane and Messrs D. Collins & P . Bentley, Macquarie University, New South Wales . . . . . . . .

Professor Hutchinson (Overseas) . . . . . . . .

Dr H. C. Watson . . . . . . . . . .

J. Holdsworth . . . . . . . . . . . .

Total Estimated Expenditure 1971-72, Consultants (Fees and Expenses) . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number of Engagements

1

1

2

1

1

2

4

2

I

1

1

1

2

I

1

1

1

2

1

1

1

I

l

Estimated Additional Requirement or Saving

s

2,638 -605 9,128 7,461 -18,622

Total Estimated Cost

$

1,655 15,461 11,756 227

221

14,350 24,130 4,852 1,500

963 2,756 200 7,850 1,600

956

5,000

62

2,434 500

600 40

1,100 1,240

99,453

Senator Bishop: Asked if the Bureau had made any survey of the traffic which uses the Eyre Highway so that it would have information as to the States in which the vehicles using the highway are registered. Senator Jessop: Asked for details of other roads in the same category as the Eyre Highway, including the numbers of vehicles travelling over them that are registered in States other than the State in which the road is located, and an idea of costs involved in bringing them up to the state of sealing. Division 482.

Answer: The requested details for the Eyre Highway and other highways, the condition of which for all interests and purposes could be considered comparable with the unsealed portion of the Eyre Highway, are set out in the following table :

Estimated I Per ce nt of Traffic Estimated Traffic Cost to

State Road (1971)

Carrying o ut of Bituminous

State

Vehicles Registration Surface per day 22ft Wide - ---

Sm

Queensland .. Landsborough H ighway Winton to Cl oncurry . . 130 Estimated to be 11. 5

be twee n 30 and 40 per cent

South Australia . . Eyre Hig hway Penong to W .A. border . . 140 80 per cent .. 10

South Australia .. Stuart Hi ghway Pi mba to N .T. Border .. 40 Estimated to be

between 40 and 70 per cent .. 16

Weste rn Australia Great No rthern H ighway Meekatha rra-Port H edl and 66 Estimated to be 22 .0

P ort Hedl and-Broome . . 45 less than I 0 per 17 .0

cent

Senator Cant: Asked, particularly with respect to small vessels in the servicing of oil rigs on the continental shelf, about the requirements for registration after con­ struction under subsidy and the subsequent removal of those vessels from Aus­ tralian waters.

Answer: Present legislation does not require the registration of offshore servicing vessels in Australia. A condition for building such vessels under subsidy is that they be for use on the Australian coast or inland waterways, but no formal undertaking to that effect is demanded.

All such vessels built under subsidy have always worked in Australian waters. Division 486. Sub-Division 3, Item 01.

Senator Bishop: Asked: (a) What will be the cost of the Port Augusta-Whyalla Railway (b) What will be the cost of the Tarcoola-Alice Springs R ailway (c) What is the cost of surveying the Tarcoola-Alice Springs Railway. Answer:

(a) The anticipated cost of the Port Augusta-Whyalla Railway is $6 .4 million. Expenditure to 8.4.72 was $3,570,683.

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(b) The construction of the Tarcoola-Alice Springs Railway is expected to cover a period of at least 5 years from the date of approval. In view of this and the rapid escalation of costs in recent years it is difficult to pro­ vide at this date a realistic estimate of total cost. Indications are however that the total cost could be of the order of $60 million . (c) Anticipated final cost of survey (including plotting and completion of

plans) of the Tarcoola-Alice Spring's Railway is $1 million. Expenditure to 8.4.72 was $338,762. The expected completion date is December 1973.

Senator Bishop: Asked for a comparison between the present staff position of Commonwealth Railways with the position 12 months ago.

Answer: The information requested is as follows:

Staff Employed: Commonwealth Rail ways

Way and Works Branch Salaried Fettling Gangs Buildings

Miscellaneous Maintenance

Mechanical Engineering Branch Salaried Workshops Loco Running Miscellaneous ..

Transportation Branch Salaried Wages including Running Staff

Comptrollers Branch (including Stores and Provision Stores) Salaried Wages

Secretariat (including Australian Capital Territory) Salaried Wages

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March 1971 March 1972

88 98

638 677

149 136

41 48

123 125

761 794

576 577

13 14

237 254

8II 844

142 147

128 124

77 75

29 30

3,813 3,943

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO mE SENATE

Senate Estimates Committee E has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

On 18 April 1972 the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Year Ending 30 June 1972, and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1972, relating to the following Departments:

Department of Air Department of Primary Industry Department of the Army Repatriation Department

Department of the Navy Department of Supply

The Committee has considered these estimates of proposed additional expenditure and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Air and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings is tabled for the information of the Senate. The Hansard report of the evidence given

before the Committee will be made available to Honourable Senators at a later date.

Following the consideration of the Additional Estimates, the Committee makes the following observations: 1. That the addition of a chart in some of the explanatory notes of the departments examined outlining the organisational structure of the depart­

ment was of considerable benefit to the Committee in its examination of the estimates. The addition of the organisational chart was suggested in the Committee's report to the Senate on 30 November 1971 and the Committee is grateful to those departments who complied with that suggestion.

2. The Committee expresses appreciation to the Department of the Treasury in producing the information paper on the savings expected in Appropria­ tions made by the Appropriation Acts (Nos. 1 and 2) 1971-72 as requested by the Committee when considering the estimates in 1971. The Committee

found the document to be of great interest and benefit during its

examination of the additional estimates.

The Committee records its appreciation of the evidence given by the Minister for Air and officers of the departments concerned.

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J. J. WEBSTER

Chairman

Estimates Committee E

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 10

WEDNESDAY, 10 MAY 1972

Minutes of meeting held in the Senate Chamber on Wednesday, 10 May 1972, commencing at 4.30 p.m.

1. The Chairman made an introductory statement.

2. MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE: An extract from the 'Journals of the Senate' of 26 April 1972, recording the appointment to the Committee of Senator Dame Nancy Buttfield in place of Senator Lillico, was read.

3. Consideration af Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure: Pursuant to the Resolution of the Senate dated 18 April 1972, the Committee commenced consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expendi­ ture for the Service of the Year Ending 30 June 1972, and the Particulars of

Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1972 relating to the following departmental estimates:

Docu ment* I Page Di vis ion Department Amount No.

I

s

A 57-58 690-717 Air 4,363,200

A 36- 37 410- 414 Primary Industry .. 1,218,000

B 6 875 Primary Industry .. 25 ,500

A 56 662- 682 Army 1,348,400

A 41 460-466 Repatriation 3,250,000

A 54-55 630- 656 I N"'Y . . . . 4,676,300

A 59- 60 720- 748 Supply . . . . 3,806,000

A 45 510 Antarctic Divis ion 104,000

* Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the Service of the Yea r ending 30 June 1972'. * D ocument B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Additional Expenditure in of the Year ending 30 June 1972'.

4. DEPARTMENT OF AIR: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake­ Brockman, Minister for Air, accompanied by Mr F . C. Sutherland, First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Logistics), Mr H . Pearlman, Chief Executive Officer (Budget and Costing), Mr P. Kallio, Director of Budgets and Mr M . J .

Madden, Assistant Secretary (Finance), Department of Air; and the Depart­ ment of the Treasury Representative, Mr A. Finch.

The Chairman called on Divisions 690-717, Department of Air, $4,363,200.

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Senator Drake-Brockman submitted the following Paper: Department of Air-Additional Estimates of Expenditure 1971-72-Explanatory Notes and made an introductory statement.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered :

Document A

Division 690-Royal Australian Air Force Division 692-Civil Personnel Division 694-Administrative Expenses and General Services Division 696-Forces Overseas Division 700-Equipment and Stores Division 705-Acquisition of Sites and Buildings Division 707-Acquisition of Sites and Buildings Division 709-National Capital Development Commission Division 710-Rent .. Division 717-Repairs and Maintenance

$

2,274,000 600,000 243,000 150,000 250,000

48,300 156,800 4,100 187,000 450,000

5. DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, Minister for Air and representing the Minister for Primary Industry, accompanied by Mr J. G. Rainbow, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch, Mr C. M. Beer, Director, Finance and General Services, Dr S. F. Harris, Director, Bureau of Agricultural Economics, Mr

N. Honan, Assistant Director, Bureau of Agricultural Economics, Mr J. P . Carney, Acting Assistant Secretary, Agricultural Production Branch, Mr H. G. McConnell, Chief Agricultural Officer, Production Division, Mr A. W. Lloyd , Assistant Secretary, Grains and Miscellaneous Crops Branch, Mr L. Jelinek, Chief Marketing Officer, Wool and Meat Branch, Mr I. H. Smith, First Assistant Secretary, Export Inspection Division, Mr A. G. Bollen, Assistant Secretary, Fisheries Division, Mr F. M. Collins, Assistant Secretary, Produc­

tion Division, Mr J. R. Smith, Chief Marketing Officer, Wool and Meat Branch; and the Department of the Treasury Representative, Mr A. Finch.

The Chairman called on Divisions 410-414 and 875 , Department of Primary Industry.

Senator Drake-Brockman submitted the following paper: Department of Primary Industry-Additional Estimates of Expenditure 1971-72-Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered :

Document A Division 41 a-Administrative Division 412-Administration of the Commerce (Trade Descriptions) Act .. Division 414-Bureau of Agricultural Economics

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$

484,500

572,000 161,500

Document B Division 875..:.._Payments to or for the States 25,500

6. DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY: Appearing: Senator the Ron. T. C. Drake-Brockman, representing the Minister for the Army, accompanied by Mr K. W. Major, First Assistant Secretary (Establishments and General), Mr J. W. Nunn, First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Logistics) , Department of the Army and the Department of the Treasury Representative, Mr A . Finch.

The Chairman called on Divisions 662-682, Department of the Army­ $1,348,400.

Senator Drake-Brockman submitted the following Paper: Department of the Army-Additional Estimates 1971-72-Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars were considered:

Document A Division 662-Civil Personnel .. Division 664-Administrative Expenses and General Services Division 668-Arms and Equipment-Repairs and Main-

tenance Division 682-Rent ..

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.00 p.m.

$

543 ,000 557,100

242,000 6,300

8. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Webster, Cameron, Carrick, Devitt, Kane and Wilkinson ( 6) . Senators McLaren and O'Byme were also present.

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J. J. WEBSTER Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTil\fATES COMMITTEE E MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 11

THURSDAY, 11 MAY 1972

Minutes of the meeting held in the Senate Chamber on Thursday, 11 May 1972 commencing at 9.45 a.m.

1. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1971-72 -REPATRIATION DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, representing the Minister for Repatriation, accompanied by Mr R. G. Kelly, Secretary, Repatriation Commission, Dr J. H. Hurt, Deputy

Chief Director (Medical Services), Mr G. R. Cadd, First Assistant Commis­ sioner (Benefits and Legislation), Mr G. T. Miller, Acting First Assistant Commissioner (Treatment Services), Mr J. W. Muir, Acting Assistant Com­ missioner (General Treatment); and the Department of the Treasury Repre­

sentative, Mr A. Finch.

The Chairman called on Divisions 460-466, Repatriation Department­ $3,250,000.

Senator Drake-Brockman submitted the following paper: Repatriation Department-Additional Estimates 1971-72-Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars were considered:

Document A Division Division 462-Repatriation Hospitals and other Institutions . . Division 466---0ther Repatriation Benefits

$

205,000 2,155,000 890,000

2. DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake­ Brockman, representing the Minister for the Navy, accompanied by Mr W. Boreham, Assistant Secretary (Finance), Mr T. O'Connor, Director, Financial Programming and Estimates, Mr C. J. Hill, Assistant Secretary (Civil Establish­ ments), Mr P. McNamara, Assistant Secretary (Assistant Controller of Supply), Mr R. Martin, Principal Executive Officer (Naval Personnel Divi­ sion), Mr G. Nicholls, Acting Principal Executive Officer (Naval Technical Services Division) and the Department of the Treasury Representative, Mr A. Finch.

The Chairman called on Divisions 630-656, Department of the Navy­ $4,676,300.

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Senator Drake-Brockman made a statement to the Committee and submitted the following Paper:

Department of the Navy-Additional Estimates 1971-72-Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars were considered: Document A Division Naval Forces

Division 632-Civil Personnel Division 634-Administrative Expenses and General Services Division 638--Ships, Aircraft, Machinery and Plant-Repair and Other Charges

Division 652-Acquisition of Sites and Buildings .. Division 654--Rent Division 656-Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture

$

609,000 1,410,000 943,000

307,000 42,300 90,000 1,275,000

3. DEPARTMENT OF SUPPLY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake­ Brockman, representing the Minister for Supply, accompanied by Mr D. J. O'Connor, Deputy Secretary, Mr K. McKnown, Assistant Secretary, Finance, Mr J. Mason, Director, Programmes and Estimates; and the Department of

the Treasury Representative, Mr A. Finch.

The Chairman called on Divisions 720-748 and 510, Repatriation Department -$3,806,000 and $104,000 respectively. Senator Drake-Brockman made a statement to the Committee and submitted the following Paper:

Department of Supply-Additional Estimates 1971-72-Explanatory Notes .

The following particulars were considered:

Document A Division Division 722-Government Factories-Maintenance of Pro­ duction Capacity

Division 724-Storage Services Division 729-Defence Research and Development Establish-ments . . . ·'

Division 732-Reserve Stocks Division 735-Furniture Removals and Storage Division 739-Production Assistance for Light Helicopters .. Division 748-Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture

Division 51 0-Antarctic Division

$

51 ,000

1,339,000 170,000

802,000 470,000 868,000 6,000

100,000 104,000

The Minister and Departmental Officers and members of the Press and Public withdrew.

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4. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman announced that a draft Report for presentation to the Senate had been prepared. It was agreed that the draft Report should be circulated to members to be considered and approved before presentation.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.40 a.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Webster, Dame Nancy Buttfield, Cameron, Carrick, Devitt, Kane and Wilkinson (7). Senator Poke was also present.

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J. J. WEBSTER Chairman