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THE PARLIAMENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA 1975—Parliamentary Paper No. 40

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEES A, B, C, D, E, F and G

REPORTS TO THE SENATE

ON

d e pa r t m e n t a l a d d it io n a l e s t im a t e s 1974-75

Brought up and ordered to be printed 22 April 1975

THE GOVERNMENT PRINTER OF AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 1976

Printed by Authority by the Acting Commonwealth Government Printer

CONTENTS

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1. Resolutions of the Senate— 1 October 1974 1

8 April 1975. . .

15 April 1975 . . 17 April 1975 . .

2. Estimates Committee A— R e p o r t ................................................... 11

Appendix-Written answers to q u e s tio n s ............................ 15

Minutes of Proceedings 1975— 15 A p r i l ............................................................. 23

3. Estimates Committee B— R e p o r t .................................................................. 29

Minutes of Proceedings 1975— 17 A p r i l ............................................................. 33

21 A p r i l ............................................................. 37

4. Estimates Committee C— R e p o r t .................................................................. 41

Appendix-Written answers to q u e s tio n s ............................ 45

Minutes of Proceedings 1975— 15 A p r i l ............................................................. 49

17 A p r i l ............................................................. 51

21 A p r i l ............................................................. 52

5. Estimates Committee D — Report ................................................................. 55

Appendix-Written answers to q u e s tio n s ............................ 59

Minutes of Proceedings 1975— 17 A p r i l ............................................................. 65

21 A p r i l ............................................................. 69

6. Estimates Committee E— Report ................................................................. 73

Minutes of Proceedings 1975— 17 A p r i l ............................................................. 77

7. Estimates Committee F— Report ................................................................. 83

Appendix-Written answers to q u e s tio n s ............................ 87

Minutes of Proceedings 197 5— 15 A p r i l ............................................................ 107

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8. Estimates Committee G — R e p o r t .................................................................. 117

Minutes of Proceedings 1975— 15 A p r i l ............................................................. 121

17 A p r i l ............................................................. 123

21 A p r i l ................................................................... 125

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RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE

RESOLUTION PASSED ON 1 OCTOBER 1974

22 ESTIMATES COMMITTEES-APPOINTMENT: The Leader of the Opposition (Senator Withers), pursuant to notice, moved—That (1) Unless otherwise ordered, the annual Estimates, as contained in the Papers presenting the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure, and the Additional Esti­

mates, as contained in the Papers presenting the Particulars of Proposed Pro­ vision for Additional Expenditure, shall on motion be referred for examin­ ation and report to seven Committees, to be known as Estimates Committees

A, B, C, D, E, F and G, which are appointed by this Resolution. (2) Unless otherwise ordered, each Committee shall consist of six Senators, three being members of the Government Party to be nominated by the Leader of the Government in the Senate, and three being Senators who are not mem­

bers of the Government Party. (3) Non-Government representation upon the Committees shall be as follows: Opposition (Liberal Party)—Fourteen Senators, two to each Committee, to be nominated by the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate.

Australian Country Party—Five Senators, one to each of five Committees, to be nominated by the Leader of the Australian Country Party in the Senate. The Leader of the Liberal Movement, Senator Hall, to one Committee, to

be nominated by him. Senator Townley (Independent), to one Committee, to be nominated by him. (4) The particular Committees to which the non-Government Parties and Sena­

tor Hall and Senator Townley make nominations shall be determined by agreement between those Parties and Senator Hall and Senator Townley, and, in the absence of agreement duly notified to the President, the question as to the representation on any particular Committee as between those Par­

ties and Senator Hall and Senator Townley shall be determined by the Senate. (5) Each Committee may proceed to the dispatch of business notwithstanding that all members have not been appointed and notwithstanding any vacancy.

(6) Each Committee shall elect a Government member as Chairman. (7) The Chairman may from time to time appoint another member of the Com­ mittee to be Deputy-Chairman and the member so appointed shall act as Chairman of the Committee at any time when the Chairman is not present at

a meeting of the Committee. (8) In the event of an equality of voting, the Chairman, or the Deputy-Chairman when acting as Chairman, shall have a casting vote. (9) Three members of a Committee shall constitute a quorum. (10) A Senator, though not a member of a Committee, may attend and participate

in its deliberations, and question witnesses, unless the Committee orders otherwise, but shall not vote. (11) The Committees shall sit in open session, unless otherwise ordered, may sit during any adjournment or suspension of the Senate, and may adjourn from

time to time.

(12) A Committee shall not meet while the Senate is actually sitting, unless by special order of the Senate. *

(13) Not more than three Committees shall sit simultaneously.

(14) In considering the Estimates, the Chairman shall, without motion, call on divisions of expenditure in the order decided upon and declare the proposed expenditure open for examination.

(15) The Committees may ask for explanations from Ministers of State in the Sen­ ate, or officers, relating to the items of proposed expenditure. (16) The Resolution referring the Estimates to the Committees may fix a day for the reporting of their proceedings to the Senate, by which day the final

Reports of the Committees shall be brought up. (17) The Report of a Committee shall be presented to the Senate by the Chairman and, if considered necessary, may propose the further consideration of any particular items. A reservation by any member of a Committee may be added

to the Report. (18) The Reports from the Committees shall be received by the Senate without de­ bate and their consideration deferred until consideration of the Appropri­ ation Bills. (19) A Hansard report of Committee proceedings shall be circulated, in manner

similar to the daily Senate Hansard, as soon as practicable after each day’s proceedings. (20) The foregoing provisions of this Resolution, so far as they are inconsistent with the Standing Orders, shall have effect notwithstanding anything con­

tained in the Standing Orders. Debate ensued. Question—put. The Senate divided

AYES, 25 NOES, 23

Senator— Senator— Senator— Senator—

Anderson, Marriott Bishop McClelland,

Sir Kenneth Martin Brown James

Baume Maunsell Button McIntosh

Bessell Missen Cameron McLaren

Carrick Rae Cavanagh Milliner

Chaney Scott Coleman Mulvihill

Davidson Sheil Devitt O’Byrne

Drake-Brockman Sim Everett Walsh

Greenwood Townley Georges Wheeldon

Guilfoyle Webster Gietzelt Wriedt

Hall Wood Grimes

Jessop McAuliffe

Laucke Teller: McClelland, Teller:

Lawrie Young Douglas Poyser

And so it was resolved in the affirmative.

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19 PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974-75- REFERENCE TO ESTIMATES COMMITTEES: The Minister for the Media (Senator Douglas McClelland) laid upon the Table the following Papers, by Command of His Excellency the Governor-General:

Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975. Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1975.

Reference to Estimates Committees: Senator Douglas McClelland, by leave, moved— (1) That the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975 and the Particulars of Certain Proposed

Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1975 be referred herewith to Estimates Committees for examination and report.

(2) That, unless otherwise ordered, Estimates Committees deal with depart­ mental estimates as follows: Estimates Committee A: Department of Agriculture

Parliament Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Department of the Treasury Department of Minerals and Energy Estimates Committee B:

Department of Foreign Affairs Department of Overseas Trade Department of Services and Property Department of the Special Minister of State

Department of the Capital Territory Estimates Committee C: Department of the Media Department of Education

Department of Tourism and Recreation Estimates Committee D: Department of Repatriation and Compensation Department of Social Security

Department of Health Department of the Environment and Conservation Estimates Committee E: Postmaster-General’s Department

Department of Defence Department of Labor and Immigration Department of Transport Estimates Committee F:

Department of Manufacturing Industry Attorney-General’s Department » Department of Police and Customs Department of Science

RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE

RESOLUTION PASSED ON 8 APRIL 1975

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Estimates Committee G: Department of Aboriginal Affairs Department of Northern Development Department of the Northern Territory Department of Urban and Regional Development Department of Housing and Construction (3) That the Committees report to the Senate on or before Monday, 21 April

1975.

Debate ensued. Question— put and passed.

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RESOLUTIONS OF THE SENATE

RESOLUTION PASSED ON 15 APRIL 1975

Variation of Resolution: Senator Douglas McClelland, by leave, moved— That the Resolution of the Senate agreed to on 1 October 1974 appointing the Estimates Committees be varied as follows: Paragraphs (3) and (4), leave out the words ‘Senator Townley’ (wherever occurring), insert the words ‘Senator Bunton’. Question—put and passed.

Variation in Membership: The President informed the Senate that he had received letters from the Leader of the Government in the Senate, the Leader of the Oppo­ sition in the Senate, the Leader of the Australian Country Party in the Senate and Senator Bunton requesting variations in the membership of Estimates Committees,

as follows: TO BE DISCHARGED NOMINATIONS Estimates Committee A: Senators Everett Senators Bessell

Greenwood Cotton

Jessop McLaren

James McClelland Primmer

Missen Mulvihill

Walsh Webster

Senator Laucke

Senators Cotton McLaren Primmer Walsh

Webster

Senators Baume Brown Devitt

Estimates Committee C: Senator Young

Estimates Committee D: Senators Baume Brown Devitt

Drake-Brockman Drury

Estimates Committee E: Senators Cameron Durack Lawrie

Marriott Milliner Mulvihill

Estimates Committee F: Senators Everett Georges Greenwood

Grimes Missen Wright

Estimates Committee G: Senators Bunton McLaren

Senator Douglas McClelland, by leave, moved— That the requested variations in the membership of Estimates Committees be agreed to. Question— put and passed. '

Drake-Brockman Georges Townley

Senators Cameron Durack Lawrie McIntosh

Marriott Mulvihill

Senators Bonner Milliner

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Accordingly, the membership of Estimates Committees is as follows:

Estimates Committee A : Senator Bessell Senator Cotton Senator McLaren Senator Primmer Senator Walsh Senator Webster Estimates Committee B:

Senator Button Senator Carrick Senator Davidson Senator Grimes Senator McIntosh Senator Sim Estimates Committee C:

Senator Coleman Senator Guilfoyle Senator McAuliffe Senator Melzer Senator Scott

Senator Young Estimates Committee D: Senator Baume Senator Brown

Senator Devitt Senator Drake-Brockman Senator Drury Senator Martin Estimates Committee E:

Senator Cameron Senator Durack Senator Lawrie Senator Marriott Senator Milliner Senator Mulvihill Estimates Committee F:

Senator Everett Senator Georges Senator Greenwood Senator Grimes

Senator Missen Senator Wright Estimates Committee G: Senator Bunton

Senator Gietzelt Senator Keeffe Senator McLaren Senator Rae Senator Sheil

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RESOLUTIONS OF THE SENATE

RESOLUTION PASSED ON 17 APRIL 1975

13 ESTIMATES COMMITTEES— Variation of 8 April 1975: The Manager of Govern­ ment Business in the Senate (Senator Douglas McClelland), by leave, moved—That the Estimates Committees report to the Senate on or before Tuesday, 22 April 1975. Question—put and passed.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee A has the honour to report to the Senate.

1. On 8 April 1975, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Depart­ mental Estimates for the year 1974-75 relating to the following Departments:

Agriculture Parliament Prime Minister and Cabinet Treasury

Minerals and Energy.

2. The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the President of the Senate, Senator the Hon. Justin O’Byrne (in relation to the Parliamentary Departments), from the Minister for Agriculture, Senator Wriedt, and from officers of the Departments concerned. Copies

of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard report of the evidence taken by the Com­ mittee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropri­ ation Bill (No. 5) 1974-75 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 6) 1974-75. A written answer to a question asked at the hearings is incorporated in the Hansard report of the

hearings of 15 April and additional replies received since the Committee’s hearings are included as an Appendix to this Report. In addition, the Committee is awaiting an answer relating to uranium exploration and development by the Atomic Energy Commission. (Division 890, sub-division 6— Department of Minerals and Energy.)

3. The Committee expresses its appreciation of the assistance given by the Presi­ dent of the Senate, the Minister for Agriculture and the officers who attended with them before the Committee. The particular matters investigated by Committee mem­ bers, and the detailed answers given in response, are contained in the Hansard report

of the sittings of the Committee on 15 April, which are recommended to Honourable Senators for their consideration prior to the Senate debating the Appropriation Bills.

April 1975

P. A. WALSH Acting Chairman

Estimates Committee A

Appendix

PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA

JOINT HOUSE DEPARTMENT

Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

17 April 1975

Memorandum to:

The Secretary Estimates Committee A Department of the Senate Parliament House

Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

COMMITTEE HEARINGS 15.4.75

Reference is made to your Committee’s examination of the Additional Estimates for the Joint House Department, and in particular to the question asked by Senator Milliner (page 11 of Hansard) concerning the cost of the installation of the new division bell system.

It is advised that the cost of the work which was undertaken through the Depart­ ment of Housing and Construction was $23,000.

F. L. BURRELL Chief Executive Officer

THE DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

16 April 1975

Dear Mr Gumming Thom,

When the Committee was examining the estimates of this Department last night, Senator Cotton asked to be supplied with the cost of maintenance of grounds of official establishments (Division 438.2.05) over the past 5 years. These figures are— 1969-70 $ 93,382

1970-71 $115,202

1971-72 $125,078

1972-73 $129,102

1973-74 $143,784

It would be appreciated if you could bring this information to the notice of Com­ mittee members.

Yours sincerely,

J.G. HINTON Assistant Secretary Services Branch

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Mr A. R. Gumming Thom Secretary Senate Estimates Committee A Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

THE TREASURY

Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

The Chairman Senate Estimates Committee A Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

I refer to the examination of Estimates in Division 965, Department of the Treasury, in the Senate on 15 April 1975 and the information sought by Senator Cotton on the arrangements for the operation of a $50,000 grant to the University of Sydney for research into multinational corporations.

In June 1974, Mr Ian Sykes of XL Petroleum Pty Ltd made a gift of $50,000 to the University of Sydney towards this research. On 26 December 1974, the Treasurer approved that a matching grant of $50,000 should also be provided by the Australian Government.

It was agreed that the general area of research would be into the foreign owner­ ship and control of Australian industries and resources, including such matters as the problems faced by Australian-owned companies when competing with multinational corporations, the growth of Australia’s private overseas indebtedness, and the development of suitable public policies toward foreign investment in Australia.

For the benefit of the Committee a copy of the detailed set of administrative con­ ditions relating to the grant and the Treasurer’s press release dated 10 April 1975 are attached.

C. F. GRANT

Assistant Secretary Management Services

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CONDITIONS OF THE GRANT FOR RESEARCH INTO MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS

PART I: PRELIMINARY

These conditions shall take effect in respect of a grant to be made for Research into Multinational Corporations conducted by Professor E. L. Wheelwright, Associate Professor at the University of Sydney.

2. The following definitions shall apply, throughout these conditions: (a) ‘administration’ means the body appointed to carry out the administrative functions of the University of Sydney; (b) ‘approved project’ means the specific research into Multinational Corpor­

ations;

(c) ‘grant’ means the grant of financial support for the approved project from an amount of financial assistance to be paid by the Australian Government to the University of Sydney for the approved project. The Grantee shall, in con­ sultation with the University, prepare a budget indicating the break-up of the

grant into heads of expenditure classified as follows:

(i) PERSONNEL: a sum of money to meet the salary of approved person­ nel of a specified designation and classification; (ii) EQUIPMENT: a sum of money for specific items of equipment each costing 400 dollars or more and for installation and service charges; (iii) COMPUTER CHARGES: a sum of money to meet payments to com­

puter centres for computer time, computer programming, data prep­ aration and data storage; (iv) MAINTENANCE: a sum of money for miscellaneous expenditure other than that covered by other heads of expenditure and the consumable

needs of an approved project; and (v) TRAVEL: a sum of money for the purpose of travel between specified places and, where applicable, for subsistence and field expenses; (d ) ‘grantee ’ means Professor E. L. Wheelwright.

(e) ‘University’means the University of Sydney.

PART II: PROJECTS GENERAL

3. The grant shall be used for the approved project and shall not be used for any other purpose.

4. The approved project shall be carried out at the University except that where the grantee transfers to another university or organisation within Australia and the Treasurer approves the transfer of the project to that university or organisation, the approved project shall after the transfer be carried out at that institution. The ap­

proval of the Treasurer to the transfer of the approved project will be a matter for consideration by the Treasurer having regard to the circumstances of the case.

5. The approved project shall be commenced during the calendar year in which the grant is remitted.

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6. (1) Neither the administration nor any other body within the University shall have authority to alter in any way the items approved in the notification of the grant or to authorise the transfer of moneys between items. (2) Notwithstanding sub-paragraph (1) of this condition, the administration may

approve the transfer of moneys between heads of expenditure in accordance with sub-paragraphs (2), (3) and (4) of the next succeeding condition.

7. (1) Subject to sub-paragraph (2) and (3) of this condition the grantee shall not use moneys included in the grant in any way other than for the purpose for which the grant is given. (2) In consultation with the administration the grantee may transfer grant money from his block maintenance grant to meet in whole or in part any or all of the follow­ ing expenditures:

(a) salary increments and other salary increases for personnel employed as ap­ proved for the grant; (b) minor increases in the cost of items of equipment approved for the grant, including shipping, transport and installation costs; (c) minor increases in the cost of computer charges approved for the grant; and (d) minor increases in the cost of travel approved for the grant. (3) Where the grantee has met fully the cost of approved items of equipment and travel and still has moneys available for use in his equipment and travel grants, he may in consultation with the administration transfer those moneys from the equip­ ment and travel grant for use as part of his block maintenance grant or as part of his computer charges grant.

(4) The Treasurer shall be notified by the administration of any transfers of moneys under sub-paragraphs (2) and (3) of this condition.

8. The grant shall be paid to the University for the purposes of administration.

9. (1) The grant may be terminated at any time if, in the opinion of the Treasurer, the research in respect of the approved project is not being carried out with competence and diligence. (2) The grant shall, unless suitable alternative arrangements for the continuance of the grant are made to the satisfaction of the Treasurer, be terminated by the death or incapacity of the grantee.

(3) Upon termination of the grant moneys that have not been expended and are not committed shall be refunded to the Australian Treasury.

10. The Australian Treasury shall be supplied by the University at the end of each calendar year with returns as to: (a) all moneys not committed in respect of each head of expenditure item of the grant being carried out at the institution; and

(b) all items of equipment, each costing two thousand dollars or more, pur­ chased under the grant.

11. The University shall be required to certify at the end of each calendar year that: (a) moneys paid under the grant have been expended solely upon the approved project and for the purpose approved in respect of the grant; and (b) stipends paid under the grant accord with the general rates in force at the

University.

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The certificate shall set out the expenditure under the headings detailed in paragraph 2(c).

12. The grantee shall, at such times and in such forms as may be required by the Treasurer, report through the University to the Treasurer on the progress of work on the approved project. Information contained in a progress report, including results of research, may be used in such a manner as the Treasurer thinks fit after consultation

with the grantee.

13. Where at any time during or after completion of the approved project the grantee publishes a book, article, newsletter or other item which relates to the approved proj­ ect, the grantee shall acknowledge in the publication the support of the Australian Government and forward a copy to the Treasurer as soon as practicable.

PART III: SPECIAL PROVISIONS

Personnel 14. The procedures and conditions of service of the University shall be followed in the recruitments of persons who are to be employed under the grant.

15. A commitment in respect of the employment of personnel under the grant may be given only with the approval of the University.

16. It is expected that all recreation leave will be taken within the period of operation of the grant.

17. A person who is receiving a full-time salary from the grant may engage in some lecturing and demonstrating, but the remuneration received for such work shall not exceed six hundred dollars per annum. The person may not receive additional remuneration from another source for work on the approved project except with the

permission of the Treasurer.

18. (1) A person who is working full time for a degree or other qualification shall not be employed under the grant. (2) A person who is working part time towards a degree or other qualification may be employed under the grant if the work of the person on the approved project is not

part of the work for the degree or other qualification.

19. The Treasurer shall be informed by the administration, at the time of appoint­ ment of each person employed under the grant, of the name, qualifications, date of appointment and rate of salary of that person.

Equipment 20. (1) The procedures for purchasing an item of equipment to be purchased under the grant, and installing, recording and maintaining an item of equipment purchased under the grant, shall be those of the University.

(2) An item of equipment purchased under the grant shall: (a) where the item of equipment costs two thousand dollars or more, remain the property of the Australian Government; and (b) where the item of equipment costs one hundred dollars or more but less than

two thousand dollars, become the property of the University. (3) Subject to the next succeeding sub-paragraph, the control, supervision and location of items of equipment shall be the responsibility of the University.

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(4) The University shall, so far as practicable, permit the grantee reasonable access to equipment purchased under the grant in priority to other persons. (5) On completion of the approved project or where for any reason the approved project is terminated, each item of equipment purchased under the grant that is prop­ erty of the Australian Government shall remain in the custody and under the control of, and be available for use by, the University unless and until the disposition of the item of equipment has been otherwise determined by the Treasurer.

21. (1) The grantee shall: (a) be required to inform the Treasurer through the administration, at the time of ordering, of any item of equipment that is purchased outside Australia; and (b) be responsible for seeking from the Collector of Customs in the State where

the approved project is to be carried out entry under customs by-law of items of equipment so purchased. (2) The Treasurer shall be informed by the University at the time of entry that by-law exemption has been obtained or that customs duty has become payable, as the case may be.

PRESS RELEASE

TREASURER Parliament House Canberra 2600

The Treasurer, Dr J. F. Cairns, today announced that the Australian Government has made available $50,000 as a grant to the Department of Economics at the University of Sydney towards the cost of a research and information centre into the operation of multinational corporations in Australia.

The grant matches a grant of $50,000 to the University last year from Mr Ian Sykes, of XL Petroleum, which allowed the centre to be set up. The centre is under the control of Associate Professor E. L. Wheelwright, of the Economics Department.

Without the Australian Government grant, funds available for the centre would have been exhausted within two years. The grant will allow the University to establish a permanent research unit, so that continuous research can be carried out on a long-term basis.

Dr Cairns said: ‘The Government is happy to be associated with Professor Wheelwright’s project in view of the world-wide interest in the activities of multi­ national corporations. On the basis of information supplied to the Government by the University, I be­ lieve the project will contribute significantly to Australian knowledge and under­ standing of the activities of multinational corporations. ’

Canberra 10 April 1975

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Estimates Committee A

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 6 TUESDAY, 15 APRIL 1975

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.35 p.m.

2. REFERENCE OF ADDITIONAL ESTIMATES TO COMMITTEE: The Resolution of the Senate of 8 April 1975, relating to the reference of the Ad­ ditional Departmental Estimates to the Committee, was reported to the Committee.

3. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE: The Resolution of the Senate of 15 April relating to the variation of the membership of the Committee was reported, the membership now being Senators Bessell, Cotton, McLaren, Primmer, Walsh and Webster.

4. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator McLaren, Senator Primmer was elected Chairman of the Committee.

5. ELECTION OF ACTING CHAIRMAN: In the absence of the Chairman and on the motion of Senator McLaren, Senator Walsh was elected Acting Chairman of the Committee for the sitting.

6. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDI­ TURE: Pursuant to Order of the Senate, the Committee proceeded to consider the particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975, relating to the following departmental estimates:

Document* * Page Division Department Amount

$

A 7-8 114-118 Agriculture .................................................. 1,483,000

B 4 808-809 Agriculture .................................................. 291,000

A 4-5 101-105 P a r lia m e n t....................................................... 778,000

B 4 800 P a r lia m e n t....................................................... 11,000

A 47-49 430-450 Prime Minister and C a b i n e t ......................... 3,579,000

B 13 920 Prime Minister and C a b i n e t ......................... 390,000

A 72-74 580-586 Treasury ...................................................... 8,392,000

B 16 965-967 Treasury ....................................................... 27,012,000

A 37-38 350-359 Minerals and Energy ................................... 2,316,000

B 11 890 Minerals and Energy ................................... 2,090,000

* Document A— ‘Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975 ’ * Document B— ‘ Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1975’

7. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 1975-DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE-The Chairman called on the fol­ lowing Divisions for consideration: Divisions 114-118—Department of Agriculture (Document A)

Divisions 808-809—Department of Agriculture (Document B).

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Appearing: Senator the Hon. K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Agriculture, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Agriculture: Mr R. W. Pender, Principal Executive Officer, Industry No. 1 (Meat and Meat Products) Division Mr F. J. O’Bryan, Assistant Secretary, Industry No. 2 (Dairy Products)

Division Mr A. J. Bennett, Assistant Secretary, Industry No. 3 (Field Crops) Division Mr G. E. Fewster, Assistant Secretary, Industry No. 4 (Horticultural Crops) Division Mr E. A. Purnell-Webb, Assistant Secretary, Industry No. 5 (Fisheries)

Division Mr L. Z. Jelinek, Principal Executive Officer, Industry No. 6 (Wool) Division Mr P. B. Allan, Principal Executive Officer, Agriculture and Food Services

Division Mr R. W. Forster, Senior Executive Officer, Agriculture and Food Services Division Mr D. P. Cleary, Acting Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch Mr L. C. Elliott, Director of Finance Mr N. Garsia, Senior Finance Officer Mr N. D. Honan, Director, Bureau of Agricultural Economics Mr A. G. McArthur, Director, Forest Research Branch, Forestry and Timber

Bureau Mr R. Cheatley, Communications Group.

Department o f the Treasury: Mr B. K. Conroy, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting and Supply Division Mr S. J. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer, Grade 1, Accounting and Supply

Division.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of Agriculture.

THE PARLIAMENT— The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 101-105 —Parliament (Document A) Division 800—Parliament (Document B). Appearing: The President of the Senate, Senator the Hon. Justin O ’Byrne, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f the Senate: Mr J. R. Odgers, Clerk of the Senate Mr H. G. Smith, Usher of the Black Rod Mr R. G. Mair, Senior Parliamentary Officer (Administration).

Department o f the Parliamentary Reporting Staff: Mr W. J. Bridgman, Principal Parliamentary Reporter Mr F. W. Temperly, Administrative Officer.

Department o f the Parliamentary Library: Mr A. L. Moore, Parliamentary Librarian Mr H. Knight, Finance Officer.

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Joint House Department: Mr R. W. Hillyer, Secretary Mr R. L. Burrell, Chief Executive Officer Mr M. D. T. Niven, Senior Administrative Officer. Department of the Treasury:

Mr B. K. Conroy, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting and Supply Division Mr S. J. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division. The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Parliament.

DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET: The Chair­ man called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 430-450—Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (Document A)

Division 920—Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (Document B). Appearing: Senator the Hon. K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Agriculture, accompanied by the following officers: Department o f the Prime Minister and Cabinet:

Mr K. W. Pearson, First Assistant Secretary, Operations Division Mr J. G. Hinton, Assistant Secretary, Services Branch. Child Care and Pre-school Services: Mr N. J. Tanzer, Acting Director, Officer of the Interim Committee for the

Children’s Commission. Australian National Gallery: Mr R. J. H. Deane, Assistant Director. Australia Council:

Mr D. Ingall, Director, Administration. Auditor-General’s Office: Mr L. G. Farmer, First Assistant Auditor-General Mr K. F. Corbitt, Executive Officer, Finance and Services.

Public Service Board: Mr K. F. Paul, Acting Secretary Mr B. Whatman, Acting Director, Management Services.

Film and Television School: Mr M. J. S. Tan, Executive Officer (Finance). Department of the Treasury: Mr B. K. Conroy, Chief Finance Officer

Mr S. J. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer. The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY: The Chairman called on the follow­ ing Divisions for consideration: Divisions 580-586— Department of the Treasury (Document A) Divisions 965-967—Department of the Treasury (Document B).

Appearing: Senator the Hon. K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Agriculture, accompanied by the following officers: Department o f the Treasury: Mr D. P. Reynolds, Director (Finance and General Services)

Mr K. B. Moore, Finance Officer

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Mr R. S. St George, Senior Finance Officer (Revenue, Loans and Investment Division) Mr L. A. Barley, Senior Programmer (ADP) Mr B. K. Conroy Mr S. J. Woodley. Australian Taxation Office:

Mr E. R. Marriott, Assistant Commissioner (Management Services) Mr D. C. Walker, Finance Officer. Australian Government Retirement Benefits Office: Mr F. J. Maguire, Acting Director (Services)

Mr R. R. Jackson, Finance Officer. The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of the Treasury. DEPARTMENT OF MINERALS AND ENERGY: The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 350-359—Department of Minerals and Energy (Document A) Division 890— Department of Minerals and Energy (Document B). Appearing: Senator the Hon. K. S, Wriedt, Minister for Agriculture, accompanied by the following officers: Department o f Minerals and Energy:

Mr R. H. J. Thompson, Assistant Secretary (Management Services) Mr L. R. Riches, Assistant Director (Finance) Mr P. P. Power, Finance Officer Mr L. G Turner, Assistant Director, Division of National Mapping Mr W. J. Ricketts, First Assistant Secretary (Minerals Policy Division). Australian Atomic Energy Commission:

Dr R. Warner, Chief of Division Mr A. D. Thomas, Secretary. Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority: Mr N. R. Little, Acting Chief Administrative Officer

Mr L. Berzins, Acting Accountant. Department o f the Treasury: Mr B. K. Conroy, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting and Supply Division

Mr S. J. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer Grade 1, Accounting and Supply Division. The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of Minerals and Energy.

8. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.12 p.m.

9. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Walsh (Acting Chairman) and Senators Bessell, Cotton and McLaren. Senators Sir Kenneth Anderson, Baume, Devitt, McIntosh and Milliner also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CERTIFIED CORRECT. p ^ WALSH

Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee B has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

1. On 8 April 1975, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Esti­ mates for the year 1974-75 relating to the following Departments:

Foreign Affairs Overseas Trade Services and Property Special Minister of State

Capital Territory.

2. The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Foreign Affairs, the Minister for Abor­ iginal Affairs, the Minister for Manufacturing Industry and officers of the De­ partments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of

the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1974-75 and Appropriation Bill (No. 6) 1974-75.

3. (a) The Committee had considerable difficulty in obtaining all the informa­ tion it required when investigating the Estimates of the Department of Services and Property, particularly in relation to Division 521 (Convey­ ance of Members of Parliament and Others) and items under Division

523 (Rent). Expenditure under these Divisions is always of concern to members of the Committee and other Senators. (b) In relation to Division 523 (Rent)—the Department’s Explanatory Notes only listed premises being rented under a general departmental heading,

but gave no detailed indication as to what Authority, Branch of a De­ partment, Member of Parliament, etc., occupied the premises. This fre­ quently led to unnecessary and repetitive questioning, and the Committee would welcome the inclusion of such information in the Explanatory

Notes in future. (c) It is the opinion of the Committee that there were too many instances where information which should have been readily available was not forthcoming.

4. The Committee records its appreciation of the explanations provided by the Ministers and the officers of the various Departments who assisted during the examination.

21 April 1975

D. J. GRIMES Deputy-Chairman

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Estimates Committee B

Minutes of Proceedings

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 4 THURSDAY, 17 APRIL 1975

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m. 2. APPOINTMENT OF DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN: It was reported that in accord­ ance with paragraph (7) of the Resolution of the Senate establishing Estimates Committees, the Chairman, Senator Button, had appointed Senator Grimes as

Deputy-Chairman. (Senator Grimes thereupon took the Chair). 3. REFERENCE OF ADDITIONAL ESTIMATES TO ESTIMATES COM­ MITTEES: The Resolution of the Senate of 8 April 1975 relating to the reference

of proposed additional expenditure for 1974-75 to the Committees was reported.

4. STATEMENT BY DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN: The Deputy-Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its exam­ ination of the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975, and stated that, pursuant to the Resolution of the Senate on 8 April 1975, the Committee would consider the following departmen­

tal estimates:

THE SENATE

Document* * Page Division Department Amount

$

A 21-24 250-258 Foreign Affairs . ....................................... 16,964,000

B 6 856-860 Foreign Affairs ............................................. 353,000

A 42 390-396 Overseas Trade ............................................. 1,696,000

B 12 906-907 Overseas Trade ............................................. 5,480,000

A 57-58 515-523 Services and P r o p e r t y .................................. 7,254,000

A 78 629 Rent ( Defence) ....................................... 668,000

A 78 631 A cquisition o f Sites and B uildings

(Defence) ................................................ 114,000

Defence Research Development Establish­ ments (Manufacturing Industry)

A 34 329 - R e n t ................................................ 500

B 14 940-942 Services and P r o p e r t y ................................... 11,546,000

A 61-67 447-549 Special Minister of State ............................. 8,301,000

B 15 950-952 Special Minister of State ............................. 145,000

A 14-15 152-155 Capital T e r r ito r y ............................................ 3,816,000

B 5 815-816 Capital T e r r ito r y ............................................ 8,471,000

* Document A— ‘Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975’. * Document B—1 Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1975’.

Ordered— That consideration of the Estimates commence with the Estimates for the Department of Services and Property.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF SERVICES AND PROPERTY: Appearing: Senator the Honourable D. R. Willesee, Minister for Foreign Affairs and Senator the Honourable J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs,

accompanied by the following officers: Mr P. Westaway, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Mr B. H. Coughlin, Director, Finance

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Mr B. W. Palmer, Director, Management Consultancy Mr P. Woodham, Executive Officer, Parliamentary and Special Projects Mr G. T. O ’Connor, Finance Officer Mr J. R. Clark, Assistant Secretary, Planning and Review Mr D. N. Sullivan, Assistant Secretary, Accommodation Mr L. Neilson, Acting Assistant Secretaiy, Land Mr D. Mather, Executive Officer, Programming Mr C. J. Rowe, Executive Officer, Australian Electoral Office Mr J. W. Sleep, Assistant Surveyor-General Mrs P. Morcombe, Acting Administrative Officer, Australian Survey Office. Treasury Official:

Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer. Deputy-Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 515-523—Department of Services and Property (Document A) Division 629—Rent (Defence) (Document A) Division 631 — Acquisition of Sites and Buildings (Defence) (Document A) D ivision 329 —D efence R esearch D evelopm ent Establishm ents

(ManufacturingIndustry)—Rem (Document A) Division 940-942—Department of Services and Property (Document B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Services and Property.

6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS:

Appearing: Senator the Honourable D. R. Willesee, Minister for Foreign Affairs, accompanied by the following officers: Department of Foreign Affiairs: Mr R. E. Johns, Assistant Secretary

Mr D. C. Goss, Assistant Secretary Mr J. W. Hutchison, Director, Finance Mr I. Meszes, Finance Officer, Estimates Mr W. R. Watson, Finance Officer, Forward Estimates Mr N. A. Richardson, Principal Executive Officer, (ADP) Overseas Property

Bureau.

A ustralian Development Assistance Agency: Mr L. W. Temby, Assistant Secretary, Finance Mr R. G. Spratt, Assistant Secretary, Operations Mr E. Ingevics, Assistant Secretary, Multilateral Organisations Mr N. W. Hunt, Officer-in-Charge, Strategic Programming and Budgeting. Treasury Official:

Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer. The Minister for Foreign Affairs made a statement concerning the Estimates of Additional Expenditure for the Department. The Deputy-Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 250-258—Department of Foreign Affairs (Document A) Divisions 856-860—Department of Foreign Affairs (Document B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Foreign Affairs.

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7. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 7 5-DEPARTMENT OF OVERSEAS TRADE:

Appearing: Senator the Honourable D. R. Willesee, Minister for Foreign Affairs, accompanied by the following officers: Mr H. R. Hegarty, Director, Finance Services, Management Services Branch Mr G. Tarjan, Director, Asia Section, Overseas Markets Division

Mr G. L. V. Hooton, Assistant Secretary, No. 2 Branch, Commodity Policy Division Mr P. S. Field, Assistant Secretary, No. 2 Branch, Trade Services Division Mr I. J. Swan, Director, Trade Commissioner, Operations Section, Overseas

Markets Division Mr D. R. Fitch, Assistant Secretary, Trade Promotion Branch, Trade Pro­ motion Division. Treasury Official:

Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer.

The Deputy-Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 390-396— Department of Overseas Trade (Document A) Divisions 906-907— Department of Overseas Trade (Document B).

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Overseas Trade.

8. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF THE SPECIAL MINISTER OF STATE: Appearing: Senator the Honourable D. R. Willesee, Minister for Foreign Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr D. R. White, Assistant Secretary, Ministerial and Management Services Mr C. Campbell, Officer-in-Charge, No. 1 Section, Island Territories Branch Mr P. Molony, A/G Principal Executive Officer, Royal Commissions Branch Mr P. Priestly, A/G Director, Establishments and Finance

Mr P. Dawson, Assistant Commissioner, Policy, Australian Government Pur­ chasing Commission Mr T. McElroy, Director, Finance and General Services, Australian Govern­ ment Purchasing Commission

Mr N. Brown, Registrar Mr R. Adorns, Director, Management Services Mr K. Mourant, Assistant Director, Administrative Services Mr A. Bagnall, Assistant Statistician, Management Services

Mr J. Butler, Director, Finance and General Mr W. O ’Neill, Executive Officer Mr A. Ellis, Assistant Director-General MrG. Clarke, Director, Management Services. Treasury Official:

Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer. The Deputy-Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 447-549—Department of the Special Minister of State (Document A) Divisions 950-952—Department of the Special Minister of State (Document B).

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of the Special Minister of State.

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9. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974- j 75-DEPARTMENT OF THE CAPITAL TERRITORY: Appearing: Senator the Honourable James McClelland, Minister for Manufactur­ ing Industry, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr R. C. Burroughs, Acting Assistant Secretary, Finance and Supply Mr A. S. Blunn, City Manager Mr J. H. Marshall, First Assistant Secretary, Housing and Welfare Mr C. H. Davis, First Assistant Secretary, Lands Mr J. S. Brigg, Assistant Secretary, Recreation and Tourism Mr E. G. Daly, Assistant Secretary, City Services Mr W. I. Weston, Assistant Director, Welfare ;

Mr L. L. Gillespie, Commissioner for Housing Mr J. A. Turner, Acting Assistant Secretary, Establishments and ADP Mr J. J. Huston, Director, Conservation and Agriculture Mr P. O ’Cleaiy, Assistant Secretary, Land Policy Mr L. W. F. Huston, Executive Assistant, Smaller Territories Administration Mr C. R. Alexander, Executive Officer, Jervis Bay Administration Mr B. C. Donke, Assistant Secretary, Transport Mr C. S. Hamilton, Acting Director, Programs and Budgets.

Treasury Official: Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer. The Deputy-Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 152-155—Department of the Capital Territory (Document A)

Divisions 815-816— Department of the Capital Territory (Document B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of the Capital Territory.

10. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.10 p.m. until a day and time to be fixed by the Deputy-Chairman.

11. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Carrick, Davidson, Grimes, McIntosh and Sim. Senators Georges, Greenwood, Jessop, Laucke, McLaren, Rae, Withers and Wright also took part in the Committee’s Proceedings.

D. J. GRIMES Deputy-Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 5 MONDAY, 21 APRIL 1975

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 5.47 p.m. The Deputy-Chairman (Senator Grimes) took the Chair.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: On the motion of Senator Davidson the Minutes of the previous meeting were confirmed.

3. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT: The Committee considered the draft report distributed by the Deputy-Chairman and on the motion of Senator Sim the draft report was adopted.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.53 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committees were present: Senators Davidson, Grimes, McIntosh and Sim.

D. J. GRIMES Deputy-Chairman

THE SENATE

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee C has the honour to present its Report to the Senate. 1. On 8 April 1975, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Esti­ mates for the year 1974-75 relating to the following Departments: Media

Education Tourism and Recreation. 2. The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for the Media and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard report of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1974-75 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 6) 1974-75. 3. During the hearing of evidence certain undertakings were made that ad­ ditional information would be forwarded to the Committee in reply to certain ques­ tions asked during proceedings. Some of this information has been supplied and is attached as an Appendix to the Report. However, the Committee reports that most of the information requested had not become available at the time of the preparation of this Report. 4. The Committee records its appreciation of the assistance given by the Minister for the Media and officers of the various Departments whose Additional Estimates the Committee considered.

R. E. McAULIFFE Chairman

21 April 1975

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Estimates Committee C

Appendix

MOTION PICTURE EXPORT ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA, INC.

322 Fifth Avenue New York N.Y. 10036 30 October 1974

My Dear Doug, I am happy to report that a new project for further co-operation between the member companies of the MPEAA and the Australian Film Commission has now been launched. All of our companies have agreed to assist your Australian Film and Television School in building up its collection of feature motion pictures and telefilms

for the use of students in both technical and creative courses. The enclosed draft agreement covering the deposit of feature films and telefilms with the school has been adopted uniformly by our companies and approved in ad­ vance by the School authorities. On application by the School for specific films or telefilms made to the respective MPEAA member company offices in Sydney, these

agreements will be signed and processed as quickly as feasible. I am confident that this procedure will enable our companies to perform a valu­ able service in your training of young Australian film makers. With warm personal regards,

Sincerely, JACK

Honourable Douglas McClelland Minister for the Media Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Australia

MINISTER FOR THE MEDIA

And Manager of Government Business in the Senate Canberra, A.C.T. 19 November 1974

My Dear Jack, I was delighted to receive your letter of 30 October. About two days before I received it I had said to myselfTt’s about time I heard from Jack Valenti again’. I greatly appreciate the fact that all companies embraced in the Motion Picture

Export Association of America have agreed to assist the Australian Film and Tele­ vision School in building up its collection of feature motion pictures and telefilms for the use of students in both technical and creative courses, and I thank you very much for sending me a copy of the proposed draft agreement.

I will report the details of the draft agreement to the Australian Prime Minister who I know is very keen to ensure the success of the school. You have probably heard by now that I have introduced into the Australian Sen­ ate a Bill to establish an Australian Film Commission. The Opposition hotly debated

certain provisions in the Bill, but it has now been sent to the House of Representatives. I am sending you by airmail a copy of the Hansards. As I am dictating this letter, I have just received a telephone call from Noel Ford who has asked me to forward his best wishes to you.

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I am delighted at the progress that the Australian film industry has made in the time that we have been in Government. When we came in in 1972 there were only four feature films made in Australia. Last year there were eight. This year there looks like being twenty—and most of them successful.

These results certainly could not have been achieved but for your co-operation and that of the member companies of your organisation. I believe that when the Aus­ tralian Film Commission is actually established, we will be able to consolidate things even more so.

If you have any suggestions about people who might be considered for appoint­ ment to the Film Commission please do not hesitate to let me know. There is one more personal thing, and that is that my daughter, Jan, who is 23 years of age, is getting married in Sydney on the 21 December. She is marrying an Australian who is being transferred by his company to Los Angeles, and shortly after their marriage they will both be setting off for that city.

My daughter has had quite a brilliant academic record in Australia, and she has asked me to see if I can do anything to assist her to find suitable employment. I know the protectionist policies adopted by the American unions (and indeed I fully support such policies), but if you know of anything likely to crop up that you think my daughter may be able to fulfil, I should very greatly appreciate it if you could assist. I intend telling her to look up A1 Daff when she gets there.

My warmest personal regards, ,

Yours sincerely,

d o u g l a s McCl e l l a n d

P.S. I was very pleased with the American Congressional election results. Since dictating this letter I have spoken to you on the phone. Great to hear you again. Mr Jack Valenti President Motion Picture Export Association of America, Inc.

522 Fifth Avenue New York, N.Y. 10036 U.S.A.

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Estimates Committee C

Minutes of Proceedings

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 8.00 p.m. The Chairman (Senator McAuliffe) took the Chair.

2. REFERENCE OF ADDITIONAL ESTIMATES: The Resolution of the Senate of 8 April referring Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for 1974-75 to Estimates Committees was reported.

3. MEMBERSHIP OF COMMITTEE: The Resolution of the Senate of 15 April 1975 discharging Senator Laucke from the Committee and appointing Senator Young in his place was reported.

4. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the year ending 30 June 1975, and stated that, pursuant to the Order of the Senate of 8 April 1975, the Committee would

consider the following departmental estimates:

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 3 TUESDAY, 15 APRIL 1975

Document* * Page Division Department Amount

$

A 35-36 330-342 Media ........................................................... 11,097,000

B 10 885 Media ........................................................... 1,569,000

A 16-19 200-214 E d u c a t i o n ...................................................... 10,380,000

B 6 845-848 E d u c a t i o n ....................................................... 4,380,000

A 68 555 Tourism and Recreation .............................. 174,000

B 15 959 Tourism and Recreation .............................. 1,112,000

* Document A— ‘Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975’. * Document B—‘Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1975’.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF THE MEDIA: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Douglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr L. McDonald, Assistant Secretary, Planning and Finance Division Mr W. Brooks, Assistant Director, Australian Information Service Mr J. Wood, Executive Officer, Film Australia Mr W. Cooper, Assistant Director, Australian Government Liaison Service

Mr T. Coppin, Australian Government Publishing Service Mr B. J. Connolly, Secretary and Chief Executive Officer, Australian Broad­ casting Control Board Mr P. Dorien, Assistant General Manager (Management Services), Aus­

tralian Broadcasting Commission Mr J. F. Venn, Controller of Finance, Australian Broadcasting Commission. Department of the Treasury: Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division.

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The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 330-342—Department of the Media (Document A) Division 885— Department of the Media (Document B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of the Media.

6. POSTPONEMENT: Ordered—That consideration of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Department of Education be postponed till after consider­ ation of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Department of Tourism and Recreation.

7. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF TOURISM AND RECREATION: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Douglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr B. J. 0 ’Connell, Director of Administration Mr E. J. Reeve, Director of Operations Section. Department o f the Treasury: Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Division 555—Department of Tourism and Recreation (Document A) Division 959—Department of Tourism and Recreation (Document B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of Tourism and Recreation.

8. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.19 p.m. till Thursday, 17 April 1975 at 8.00 p.m. (subject to the sitting of the Senate).

9. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Coleman, Guilfoyle, McAuliffe, Melzer, Scott and Young. Senator Jessop also attended. R. E. McAULIFFE

Chairman

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1. MEETING: The Committee met at 8.00 p.m. The Chairman (Senator McAuliffe) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION: Appearing: Senator the Honourable Douglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr D. M. Morrison, First Assistant Secretary, Policy Division Mr E. S. Rolfe, Assistant Secretary, Student Assistance Branch No. 2 Mr D. W. Hood, Assistant Secretary, Territorial Liaison Branch Mr R. N. Allen, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch

Mr B. C. Milligan, Director, Operational Research Section, Research Branch Mr Μ. B. Brassington, Assistant Director, Management Services Branch, Northern Territory Division Mr R. F. Featherston, Senior Migration Officer, Migrant Education Branch ' Mr B. P. Peck, Assistant Secretary, Schools and General Policy Branch,

Interim A.C.T. Schools Authority Mr M. J. Woodward, Secretary, Commonwealth Teaching Service Mr J. R. Scutt, Secretary, Schools Commission Mr D. Marsh, Principal Executive Officer, Schools Commission

Mr R. M. Gillett, Assistant Secretary, Finance and Buildings Program Branch, Universities Commission Mr W. F. Roller, Director, Programs and Administrative Services, Com­ mission on Advanced Education. Department of the Treasury:

Mr F. J. Balaam, Senior Finance Officer. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 200-214—Department of Education (Document A) Divisions 845-848—Department of Education (Document B).

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of Education.

3. DELIBERATIVE MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session and considered the content of its report.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.03 p.m. till a date to be fixed.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Guilfoyle, McAuliffe, Melzer and Scott.

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 4 THURSDAY, 17 APRIL 1975

R. E. McAULIFFE Chairman

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1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 1.00 p.m. The Chair­ man (Senator McAuliffe) took the Chair.

2. MINUTES: The Minutes of meetings held on Tuesday, 15 April 1975, and Thursday, 17 April 1975, were read and confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman presented a draft report for the Committee’s consideration. The draft report was amended and agreed to, after discussion.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.11 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators McAuliffe, Melzer and Young.

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 5 MONDAY, 21 APRIL 1975

r . e . McAu l i f f e

Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee D has the honour to present its Report to the Senate. On 8 April 1975, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Estimates for the year 1974-75 relating to the following Departments: Repatriation and Compensation

Social Security Health Environment and Conservation.

The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Repatriation and Compensation (Senator Wheeldon) and officers of the departments concerned. A copy of the Hansard report of the evidence is tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1974-75 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 6) 1974-75.

Subsequent to the hearing of evidence and in accordance with undertakings given by the Minister, further information was forwarded to the Committee in reply to specific questions raised during the proceedings. Copies of the documents containing this further information are attached as an Appendix to the Report.

The Committee records its appreciation of the detailed explanations of the par­ ticulars of proposed additional expenditure provided by the Minister and departmen­ tal officers.

D. M. DEVITT Chairman

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Estimates Committee D

Appendix

INDEPENDENT INQUIRY ON REPATRIATION-TOTAL COST TO 31.3.75

INDEPENDENT INQUIRY AND CONSULTANTS COSTS

Fees and Allowances Costs to March 197 5

$

Mr Justice Toose ........................................................................................................... 112,025

Judge’s Personal Staff Mrs M. Stuart (Associate) ........................................................................................ 42,619

Mr M. Williams (Tipstaff) ........................................................................................ 92,642

Mr B.J.F. Wright, Q.C...................................................................................................

Consultants (available at Judge’s discretion) Professor A. Pollard .................................................................................................

Sir William Morrow .................................................................................................

Dr J. E. Clarke ...........................................................................................................

Mr M.J. S m i t h ........................................................................................................... 11,070

Mrs N. W. Giddings .................................................................................................

Dr J.G. White ...........................................................................................................

Major General J. R. C a m p b e l l...................................................................................

Other expenditure to March 1975 Telephones, Car Allowance, Stationery, Incidentals, etc............................................. 23,667

Total for Independent Inquiry and Consultants ........................................... 282,023

DEPARTMENTAL COSTS

Salaries ............................................ ' ...................................................................... 252,469

Travelling and other administrative e x p e n s e s .......................................................... 65,518

Total Departmental ....................................................................................... 317,987

Total Costs ...................................................................................................... 600,010

MINISTER FOR REPATRIATION AND COMPENSATION 191 St Georges Terrace Perth, W.A. 6000

Dear Don, You will recall that during the examination of Repatriation and Compensation Estimates by Senate Estimates Committee D, additional information was requested concerning the admission of non-entitled patients to Repatriation General Hospitals

and the fees charged by the Lady Gowrie Red Cross Home. This information is set out in the attached statements.

Yours sincerely,

JOHN WHEELDON

Senator D. M. Devitt Chairman Senate Estimates Committee D Parliament House

Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

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ATTACHMENT A

ADMISSION OF NON-ENTITLED PATIENTS TO REPATRIATION GENERAL HOSPITALS

The Committee asked for elaboration of the criteria used by the Department for the admission of non-entitled patients to Repatriation General Hospitals.

2. The facilities of Repatriation hospitals were first made available to the general public for other than emergency cases in 1971 when spare capacity in highly specialised units such as coronary care, nuclear medicine and renal dialysis were offered to State hospital authorities. The access of non-entitled patients to Repatri­ ation facilities has since been extended and in 1973 the then Minister for Repatri­ ation, in announcing that spare capacity in Repatriation General Hospitals would be made available for the treatment of patients in the community, including some ex­ servicemen who had no entitlement under the Repatriation system, mentioned the following categories:

(a) the treatment, where medically desirable, of non-accepted disabilities, while the ex-serviceman is in a Repatriation hospital for accepted disabilities; (b) treatment of non-Repatriation patients from artificial limb and appliance centres—including admission of patients for amputations; (c) cases of special clinical interest to Repatriation General Hospitals, all of

which are teaching hospitals.

3. A more detailed statement of the circumstances in which a non-entitled patient may be admitted to a Repatriation General Hospital follows:

(a) a patient referred by a Repatriation specialist where Repatriation facilities have particular advantages—these could relate to the treatment of the patient himself or the general level of treatment in the hospital, e.g. as a worthwhile case for teaching purposes; (b) a patient attending for treatment at a Repatriation Artificial Limb and Ap­

pliance Centre and who requires associated treatment—this could entail training in the use of a prosthesis as well as amputation or other minor surgi­ cal treatment required before the satisfactory fitting of an artificial limb can be achieved; (c) a patient referred by another hospital for specialist treatment where it is con­

sidered that this could best be done in a Repatriation hospital— e.g. respira­ tory function tests, nuclear medicine, renal dialysis; (d) a patient whose spouse is an in-patient of a Repatriation hospital, and who requires hospital treatment at the same time, where this is considered desir­

able on humanitarian grounds; (e) a patient requiring treatment in an emergency; and (f) other— e.g. a patient referred for domiciliary care, rehabilitation patients etc.—by State Health Department or other hospitals.

4. Figures relating to the numbers of non-entitled persons admitted to Repatriation General Hospitals were provided to the Committee, which asked for further informa­ tion about the number of hospital staff admitted.

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5. Details of non-entitled and staff admissions to Repatriation General Hospitals are set out below:

16.12.73-15.12.74 1.7.74-15.12.74

Total A d m is s io n s .....................................................

Civilian Admissions (excluding staff) . . . . Staff Admissions .................................................

........................ 50 856

........................ 3 191*

........................ 622

24 375 1 619* 301

per cent of Civilian Admissions ........................ ........................ 6.27 6.64

per cent of Staff Admissions ............................. ........................ 1.22 1.23

* This includes patients accommodated in two wards at R.G.H. Hollywood which were made available to the Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital under arrangements made some 18 months ago. For this service we are charging $33 per in­ patient day. The figure Of 50 856, being the total number of admissions during the particular period, corrects that given to the Committee on Thursday.

6. The Committee was advised on Thursday that the number of non-entitled ad­ missions could be apportioned between non-entitled ex-servicemen and civilians. However, the collection of separate statistics to give this apportionment commenced only recently and figures are not available for the periods in question.

7. At all times the admission of a non-entitled patient is subject to the existence of spare capacity after the needs of eligible Repatriation beneficiaries have been met.

ATTACHMENT B

LADY COWRIE RED CROSS HOME

Senator Baume queried how the fees paid by the Department in respect of Repatri­ ation beneficiaries receiving nursing home care in the Lady Gowrie Red Cross Home, Gordon, New South Wales, compare with those payable for treatment in other nurs­ ing homes in that State.

2. The fees charged by the Home for ordinary nursing home care provided to Repatriation beneficiaries are currently $86.45 per week, less a patient contribution where applicable. Being a ‘State nursing home’ for the purposes of the National Health Act, the fees charged by the Home are not subject to approval by the Depart­

ment of Social Security. The levels of fees charged to other than Repatriation patients are not known.

3. The fees approved by the Department of Social Security for other nursing homes in New South Wales providing a generally similar standard of care, and used by this Department for the care of Repatriation beneficiaries, generally range between $84 and $98 per week.

4. The fees charged by the Lady Gowrie Red Cross Home fall towards the lower end of this range.

5. Currently, persons eligible for nursing home care at the expense of this Depart­ ment comprise about 40 per cent of the capacity of the Home.

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24373/ 7 5 - 3

HEALTH INSURANCE COMMISSION P.O. Box 40 Woden, AC.T. 2606 18 April 1975

The Chairman Estimates Committee D The Senate Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T.

Dear Sir, As requested by the Committee, I advise that the cash claims offices obtained, in the course of negotiations, or proposed to be obtained, by the Health Insurance Com­ mission are located in the following areas:

A.C.T. Canberra City; Woden. New South Wales Castlereagh Street, city; George Street, city; York Street, city; Parramatta; Liver­

pool; Chatswood; Eastwood; Miranda; Bankstown; Blacktown; Bondi Junction; Brookvale; Hurstville; Roselands; Burwood; Wollongong; Albury; Lismore; Tam worth; Orange; Gosford; Wagga Wagga; Broken Hill. Victoria Collins Street, city; Lonsdale Street, city; Moonee Ponds; Dandenong; Footscray; seven other suburban sites yet to be selected; Geelong; Ballarat; Warmambool; Bendigo.

Queensland Eagle Street, city; Fortitude Valley; Queen Street, city; Lutwyche; Coorparoo; Indooroopilly; Brookside; Redcliffe; Toombul; Wynnum; Ipswich; Maryborough; Bundaberg; Rockhampton; Gladstone; Townsville; Cairns; Southport; Toowoomba; Mount Isa; Coolangatta.

South Australia Grenfell Street, city; King William Road, Unley; Modbuiy; Woodville; Morphett Vale; Mount Gambier; Whyalla West Australia St George’s Terrace, city; Fremantle; Albany; Bun bury.

Tasmania Collins Street, city; Bellerive. The position in Darwin is still under consideration. The Commission will be represented in the city, but it is yet to be resolved as to whether a cash claims facility can be offered.

Whilst I realise the Committee is mainly concerned with the cost of the Com­ mission’s network, I believe it is relevant to mention that there may appear gaps in coverage in the network outlined, e.g. Newcastle. The Commission has adopted a pol­ icy that it will not compete for cash claims with those funds which have accepted

agency arrangements. Where such gaps in this network appear, it is quite likely that agent funds are providing such a service. Yours faithfully

R. W. TAYLOR Assistant General Manager

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Estimates Committee D

Minutes of Proceedings

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 2 THURSDAY, 17 APRIL 1975

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 12.15 p.m.

2. REFERENCE OF ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE: The Resolution of the Senate of 8 April 1975 relating to the reference of Additional Expenditure for 1974-75 to Estimates Committees was reported to the Committee.

3. ESTIMATES COMMITTEES-VARIATIONS OF RESOLUTIONS OF THE SENATE: The entry in Journals of the Senate of 15 April 1975 recording variations of Resolutions of the Senate on appointment and membership of Esti­ mates Committees was reported to the Committee. Membership of Estimates

Committee D was as follows: Senators Baume, Brown, Devitt, Drake-Brockman, Drury and Martin.

4. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Drury, Senator Devitt was elected Chairman of the Committee. Senator Devitt thereupon took the Chair.

5. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman made an introductory statement.

6. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE: Pursuant to the Order of the Senate, the Committee com­ menced consideration of the particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975 and the Particulars of Certain

Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1975 relating to the following departmental estimates:

THE SENATE

Document* Page Division

No.

Department Amount

A 50-51 460-466 Repatriation and Compensation . .

$

. . 37,676,000

B 13 925 Repatriation and Compensation . . . . 26,000

A 59-60 530-533 Social Security .................................. . . 18,097,000

B 14 945-948 Social Security .................................. . . 2,142,000

A 25-27 270-279 Health ................................................ . . 6,457,000

B 7 865-868 Health ................................................ . . 3,249,000

A 20 230 Environment and Conservation . . . . . 46,000

* Document A— ‘Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975 ’. * Document B— ‘ Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1975’.

7. DEPARTMENT OF REPATRIATION AND COMPENSATION:

Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. M. Wheeldon, Minister for Repatriation and Compensation, accompanied by the following officers: Mr George Thomas Miller, First Assistant Commissioner (Management Ser­ vices) and Secretary to the Commission

Mr Alan Usher, Acting First Assistant Commissioner (Compensation Operations)

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Dr Myles Michael Kehoe, Assistant Chief Director (Medical Services) Mr John William Muir, Assistant Commissioner (Treatment Services) Mr Geoffrey Felton, Assistant Commissioner (Benefits and Legislation) Mr Ray Griifin, Acting Director of Finance Mr James Hetherington, Acting Assistant Director of Finance. Treasury Advisers:

Mr B. K. Conroy, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting and Supply Division Mr S. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer (Grade 1), Accounting and Supply Division. The Chairman called on Divisions 460 to 466 and 925, Department of Repatri­ ation and Compensation. The Minister for Repatriation and Compensation (Senator Wheeldon) made an introductory statement. The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

$

Division 460— A d m in istra tiv e ................................................... 26,675,000

Division 462—Repatriation Hospitals and Other Institutions . . 7,048,000 Division 466—Other Repatriation S e rv ic e s................................ 3,953,000

Division 925—Capital Works and S e rv ic e s ................................ 26,000

Consideration of the Additional Estimates for the Department of Repatriation and Compensation completed, subject to an undertaking by Senator Wheeldon to provide replies to several questions.

8. DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SECURITY: Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. M. Wheeldon, Minister for Repatriation and Compensation and Minister representing the Minister for Social Security, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr Kevin Tracey Kimball, First Assistant Director-General (Management) Mr Kevin W. Kelly, First Assistant Director-General (Benefits Policy and Review) Mr William George Kiddle, Assistant Director-General (Settlement

Services) Mr Kai Carl Kern, Assistant Director-General (Project and Development) Mr Victor Ernest Pickering, Assistant Director-General (Fees Review) Mr John Victor Crocker, Acting Assistant Director-General (ADP) Mr Joseph William Augustine Waugh, Director (Finance) Mr Ross Thomas Coffey, Director (Personnel and Services) Mr Francis James Archer, Director (Public Hospitals Section) Mr John Fesq Brewer, Senior Executive Officer (Darwin Resettlement Unit) Mr John Arnold Bartholomaeus, Acting Director (Aged Persons Welfare) Mr Geoffrey Newbown, Acting Director (Handicapped Persons Welfare). Health Insurance Commission:

Ronald William Taylor, Assistant General Manager Mr Robert John Greatrex, Manager (Finance) Mr Frank David Judge, Senior Finance Officer. Social Welfare Commission: Mr John David Hall, Secretary Mr Robert Dean Wait, Senior Executive Officer.

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Treasury Advisers: Mr B. K. Conroy, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting and Supply Division Mr S. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer (Grade 1), Accounting and Supply

Division.

The Chairman called on Divisions 530-533 and 945-948 Department of Social Security.

Senator Wheeldon made an introductory statement. The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

$

Division 5 30— Administrative ................................................... 14,315,000

Division 532— Social Welfare C o m m issio n ............................ 225,000

Division 533—Health Insurance C o m m is s io n ....................... 3,557,000 Division 945 —Capital Works and S e r v ic e s ............................ 821,000

Division 947 — Payments to or for the S t a t e s ............................ 571,000

Division 948—Other Services ............................................... 750,000

Consideration of the Additional Estimates for the Department of Social Security completed, subject to an undertaking by Senator Wheeldon to provide replies to several questions.

9. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH:

Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. M. Wheeldon, Minister for Repatriation and Compensation and Minister representing the Minister for Health, ac­ companied by the following officers: Dr D. de Souza, Acting Deputy Director-General

Mr M. Carroll, First Assistant Director-General, Policy and Planning Division Dr B. Hennessy, First Assistant Director-General, Health Services Division Dr D. Travers, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Public Health

Division Dr F. S. Thompson, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Quarantine Division Mr R. E. Wilson, Assistant Director-General, Therapeutic Goods Branch

Mr P. R. Griffin, Director, Finance Mr B. D. Pentony, Assistant Director, Finance Mr R. Gordon, Assistant Commissioner (Services), Australian Capital Terri­ tory Health Services Mr H. Harrison, Assistant Director, Management Services, Northern Terri­

tory Health Services.

Treasury Advisers: Mr B. K. Conroy, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting and Supply Division Mr S. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer (Grade 1), Accounting and Supply

Division.

The Chairman called on Divisions 270-279 and 865-868, Department of Health.

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The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

. $

Division 270— Administrative ............................................... 3,232,200

Division 272— Australian Capital Territory Hospitals . . . . 1,846,500 Division 276— Australian Capital Territory Health Services . . 350,800 Division 278—Northern Territory H o s p ita ls .................. 255,000 Division 279—Northern Territory Health S e rv ic e s ........ 772,500 Division 865—Capital Works and Services ............................ 1,879,000

Division 866—Other S e r v ic e s ......................................... 45,000

Division 868—Payments to or for the S t a t e s .................. 1,325,000 Consideration of the Additional Estimates for the Department of Health completed, subject to an undertaking by Senator Wheeldon to provide replies to several questions.

10. DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND CONSERVATION: Appearing: Senator J. M. Wheeldon, Minister for Repatriation and Compensation and Minister representing the Minister for Environment and Conservation, ac­ companied by:

Mr F. A. Hatfield, Acting Assistant Secretary, Resources Appraisal Branch Mr A. A. Hunt, Director, Establishments and Finance Mr L. W. Walsh, Finance Officer. Treasury Advisers: Mr B. K. Conroy, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting and Supply

Division Mr S. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer (Grade 1), Accounting and Supply Division. The Chairman called on Division 230, Department of Environment and Conservation. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

$

Division 230—A dm inistrative....................................................... 46,000

Consideration of the Additional Estimates for the Department of Environment and Conservation completed. The Minister and departmental officers and members o f the press and public withdrew.

13. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee discussed the form and content of the report to be presented to the Senate.

14. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.05 p.m. till a date and hour to be set.

15. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Devitt (in the Chair) and Senators Baume, Drake-Brockman, Drury and Martin.

D. M. DEVITT Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 3 MONDAY, 21 APRIL 1975

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 7.45 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Devitt) took the Chair.

2. MINUTES: The minutes of the meeting held on Thursday, 17 April 1975 were read and confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: On the motion of Senator Martin, the draft report of the Committee was approved.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 7.52 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Devitt (in the Chair) and Senators Baume, Drake-Brockman, Drury and Martin. D. M. DEVITT

Chairman

THE SENATE

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee E has the honour to present its report to the Senate.

2. On 8 April 1975 the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending on 30 June 1975, and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1975, relating to the following Departments:

Postmaster-General’s Department of Defence Department of Labor and Immigration Department of Transport. 3. The Committee has considered these estimates of additional expenditure and has received explanations of them from the Postmaster-General and officers of the

Departments concerned. The Committee records its appreciation of the explanations of the estimates contained in the answers given before the Committee and in the ex­ planatory memoranda prepared by the Departments and circulated to Senators prior to the sitting of the Committee. The memoranda were well prepared and informative

and answered many questions in advance.

4. The minutes of proceedings of the Committee are included in this Report and the Hansard report of the evidence given before the Committee is presented herewith for the information of the Senate.

J. A. MULVIHILL Chairman

17April 1975

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Estimates Committee E

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

1. MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee met at 12.15 p.m. in the Senate Committee Room No. 3. The Secretary drew attention to the record, in the Journals of the Senate of 8 and 15 April 1975,of the reference of certain estimates of additional expenditure to the Committee, and the appointment of members.

2. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Lawrie, Senator Mulvihill was elected Chairman of the Committee, and took the Chair.

3. CHAIRMAN’S STATEMENT: The Chairman made a statement relating to the particulars of proposed additional expenditure to be considered pursuant to the order of the Senate, viz:

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 2 THURSDAY, 17 APRIL 1975

Document* Page Division

No.

Department Amount

A 46 400-406 Postmaster-General’s .................................

$ 931,000

B 12 910 Postmaster-General’s ................................. 127,000,000

A 76-78 600-619 D e f e n c e * * .....................................................

Defence Research and Establishments {M a n u fa ctu rin g Industry)

152,045,000

A 34 325 —A d m in is tra tiv e ................................. 3,658,000

A 31-32 300-312 Labor and Immigration ............................. 6,370,000

B 9 877-879 Labor and Immigration ............................. 83,000

A 69-71 560-575 Transport ..................................................... 42,635,000

B 15 963 Transport ..................................................... 44,000

* Document A— ‘Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975’. * Document B— ‘Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1975’. ** Excluding those items under the control of the Department of Services and Property (Divisions 629 and 631).

4. POSTMASTER-GENERAL’S DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. Bishop, Postmaster-General, accompanied by the following departmental officers: Mr J. R. Smith, First Assistant Director-General, Management Services

Division Mr J. E. Freeman, Senior Assistant Director-General, Engineering Develop­ ment Division Mr Η. T. Davis, Assistant Director-General, Engineering Development

Division Mr D. M. Coleman, Assistant Director-General, Telecommunications Division Mr P. F. Connell, Deputy Assistant Director-General, Telecommunications

Division Mr G. L. Brasier, Controller, Postal Services Division Mr L. D. Sebire, Principal Engineer, National Broadcasting, Engineering Support Services Division

Mr G. P. Hudson, Deputy Assistant Director-General, Finance and Account­ ing Management Services Division

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Mr J. E. Carroll, Chief Finance Officer, Finance and Accounting Manage­ ment Services Division. The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were called upon by the Chairman and considered:

Document A $

Division 400—Broadcasting and Television Services . . . 600,000 Division 406—Wireless Telegraphy S e r v ic e s ....................... 331,000

Document B Division 910—Capital Works and Services ....................... 127,000,000 Consideration concluded.

5. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND IMMIGRATION:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. Bishop, Postmaster-General, accompanied by the following departmental officers: Mr S. J. Dempsey, First Assistant Secretary (Planning, Program and Review Division)

Mr D. M. Halpin, First Assistant Secretary (Management and Secretariat) Mr G. Sutcliffe, First Assistant Secretary (Manpower Development and Operations) Mr J. E. Cooley, Assistant Secretary (Finance and Information) Mr V. J. White, Assistant Secretary (Training Operations) Mr A. L. Barclay, Assistant Secretary (Management Services) Mr A. W. Burt, Assistant Secretary (Finance and General Services) Mr J. T. Ryder, Senior Excutive Officer (Finance and Office Services). The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were called upon by the Chairman and considered:

Document A $

Division 300— Administrative .............................................. 6,189,000

Division 304—Overseas Service .............................................. 150,000

Division 312 —Public Service Arbitrator’s Office .................. 31,000

Document B Division 877—Capital Works and Services ............................ 70,000

Division 8 79—Other S e r v ic e s ................................................... 13,000

Consideration concluded.

6. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. Bishop, Postmaster-General, accompanied by the following departmental officers: MrG. R. Woodward, Assistant Secretary (Finance) Mr E. R. Kopp, Controller (Finance)

Mr D. W. O ’Brien, Assistant Secretary (Economic Policy and Licensing, Air Transport) Mr E. S. Clarke, First Assistant Secretary (Shipbuilding) Mr M. Ryan, Assistant Secretary (Land Transport Planning) Mr N. B. Walkem, Assistant Secretary (Commonwealth Railways) Mr B. K. Harrison, Finance Manager (Australian Shipping Commission).

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The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were called upon by the Chairman and considered: Document A $

Division 560—Surface Transport G r o u p ................................. 2,433,000

Division 564— Air Transport Group ..................................... 12,661,000

Division 567— Commonwealth Bureau of R o a d s ................... 30,000 Division 569—Shipbuilding D iv is io n ..................................... 22,537,000

Division 575—Commonwealth Railways ............................ 4,974,000

Document B Division 963—Payments to or for the S t a t e s ............................ 44,000

Consideration concluded.

7. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. Bishop, Postmaster-General, accompanied by the following departmental officers:

Mr P. D. Naughton, Assistant Secretary, Budgets and Estimates (General and Co-ordination) Mr T. E. Sullivan, Assistant Secretary, Budgets and Estimates (Services) Mr Μ. N. Woolley, Assistant Secretary, Financial Programs

Mr K. T. Lyon, Assistant Secretary, Manpower Policy and Requirements Mr C. J. Hill, Assistant Secretary, Civil Industrial Air Commodore V. J. Hill, Director-General, Joint Plans and Operations Mr H. F. Walker, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning (Army)

Mr M. J. Madden, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning (Air) Mr P. F. McNamara, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning (Navy) Mr A. Sharpe, Executive Controller, Australian Defence Scientific Service. The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were called upon by

the Chairman and considered: Document A $

Division 600— Australian Defence Forces ............................ 57,892,000

Division 601 — Defence Force O m b u d sm an ............................ 9,000

Division 602—Civil Personnel .............................................. 13,055,000

Division 604— Administrative Expenses and other services . 5,689,000 Division 607—Equipment, Stores, Machinery and Plant . . 288,000 Division 609—Repairs and Overhauls ................................ 4,122,000

Division 611—Repair and Maintenance of Buildings and Works 592,000 Division 617—Natural Disasters and Civil Defence . . . . 173,000 Division 618—Recoverable expenditure for other Governments 225,000 Division 619—Defence C o -o p eratio n ..................................... 70,000,000

Document B Defence Research and Development Establishments Division 325 — Ad ministrative .............................................. 3,685,000

Consideration concluded. The Minister and departmental officers and members of the press and public withdrew.

8. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee deliberated upon its report to the Senate. The Chairman stated that a draft report as agreed upon would be circulated to Senators before presentation.

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9. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.57 p.m.

10. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee attended the meet­ ing: Senator Mulvihill (in the Chair), Senators Cameron, Durack, Lawrie and Marriott.

A. J. MULVIHILL Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee F has the honour to report to the Senate.

1. On 8 April 1975, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Estimates for the year 1974-75 relating to the following Departments: Manufacturing Industry, Attorney-General’s, Police and Customs, Science.

2. The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Manufacturing Industry, Senator the Hon. James McClelland, and from the officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee

are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1974-75 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 6) 1974-75.

3. Additional information was sought by the Committee on a wide variety of sub­ jects raised during the hearings, the replies to which appear as in appendix to this Report.

4. The Committee records its appreciation of the assistance given by the Minister for Manufacturing Industry and of the officers of the various Departments whose additional Estimates were considered.

G. GEORGES Chairman

April 1975

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Estimates Committee F

Appendix

DEPARTMENT OF MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY

Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

18 April 1975

Secretary Senate Estimates Committee F Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

APPROPRIATION BILLS Nos 5 and 6, 1974-1975 At the sitting, on 15 April 1975, of Senate Estimates Committee F, the Minister for Manufacturing Industry agreed to supply certain supplementary papers in answer to questions which arose during the Committee’s examination of the provisions in Ap­

propriation Bills Nos 5 and 6 for this Department. I enclose the required copies of the additional information.

D. J. O’CONNOR for Secretary

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

APPROPRIATION BILLS Nos 5 and 6

Department of Manufacturing Industry Additional information to be provided to the Committee following the Committee’s examination of the Department’s estimates. Reference Hansard, Senate Estimates Committees A, C, F and G; Tuesday 15 April 1975.

1. Page 56, Column A and Page 57, Column A • Details of the consultants of the Manufacturing Industry Policy Advisory Committee. 2. Page 59, Column A

• How much of the total appropriation for Industrial Research and Development Grants will be absorbed by grants to bodies employing research and develop­ ment personnel who are not professionally qualified? 3. Page 5 9, Column A

• Illustrations of the types of businesses and the amounts of Industrial Research and Development Grants. 4. Page 59, Column B • A statement of the range of individual Industrial Research and Development

Grants.

5. Page 60, Column B • A brief general paper on the modus operandi of the Industrial Research and Development Grants Board. 6. Page 61, Column B

• A description of the amount and percentage increases required in the various categories of Furniture Removals and Storage. 7. Page 62, Column A • Expenditure from Division 319 Furniture Removals for the last five years. 8. Page 62, Column B

• Details of the estimated requirements of client Departments for furniture removals and storage. 9. Page 63, Column A • Does the Department of Manufacturing Industry check that guidelines are fol­

lowed regarding officers ’ entitlements to removal and storage of personal furni­ ture and effects? 10. Page 69, Column B and Page 70, Column A • Provide further information on the Stores and Transport activity.

Division 315/2/13 Consultants Examples of the research tasks being undertaken for the Manufacturing Industry Pol­ icy Advisory Committee (Jackson Committee) are: • Communication between the Australian Government and the State Govern­

ments with respect to the development and implementation of policies for the development of manufacturing industry. • How selected OECD countries determine their industrial strategy. • Current European policies on regulating big (and particularly) foreign business. • Industrial relations and human resource policies in 7 selected industries.

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• The role of foreign firms in Australian manufacturing industry. • ‘Worker participation’ and the design of worker participation schemes in industry. • Human resources in the manufacturing sector generally.

NON-PROFESSIONALLY QUALIFIED EMPLOYEES

It is not possible to give a precise figure of the amount of grant that will be paid in the 1974-75 grant year to companies whose industrial research and development is per­ formed by or under the direction of an approved employee. The provisions of the Act relating to approved employees were not introduced until December 1973 and first applications under this provision did not close until 30 November 1974. At this date many of these applications are still to be processed by

the Board. In practically all instances, the applications lodged by these companies in 1974 were the first ever made by the companies concerned. Experience to date has shown that in many instances all expenditure claimed is not in conformity with the requirements of the Act, i.e. investigation has reduced claimed expenditure.

The indications are that introduction of the approved employee provisions will result in grant payments of approximately $4m for 1972-73 and 1973-74 IR&D com­ bined and that most of this amount will be expended in the 1974-75 financial year; any unprocessed claims will be finalised in 1975-76.

In the main, the applicants whose IR&D is performed by an approved employee are small to medium companies engaged in engineering activities. Some examples selected at random are:

Manufacturing Activity Total Employment

Elevators ........................................................................................................... 6

Transport E q u i p m e n t ................................................................................................ 15

Electronic In s tru m e n ts ................................................................................................ 12

Combustion Engines ....................................................................................... 34

C r a n e s ................................................................................................................ 70

Water V a l v e s ...................................................................................................... 112

Tractors ........................................................................................................... 104

Office Furniture .......................................................................................................... 40 * •

To date, the highest grant paid to an approved employee company, in respect of IR&D performed in a grant year, is $38,000; the lowest payment is under $100.

MODUS OPERANDI OF THE BOARD

A brief outline of the modus operandi of the Australian Industrial Research and Development Grants Board is as follows: • After the close of the grant year (1 July-30 June) and before 30 November immediately following, a company (incorporated in Australia) which seeks a

grant in respect of that grant year must lodge an application on the form pro­ vided by the Board. • The applicant is required to disclose an outline of the research projects under­ taken by the company during the grant year. This information is compared year

to year by the Board’s investigation officers. In addition, the Public Officer of the company is required to declare that the results of the IR&D relating to such research activities ‘will be exploited on normal commercial terms and otherwise in a manner that will be for the benefit of the Australian economy’. Further, the

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Public Officer is required to declare that performance of the work has not already been assisted financially by the Australian Government or out of moneys provided by the Australian Government.

As a general rule, each applicant is visited in respect of each grant application by an officer of the Board to establish and report to the Board whether: - work subject to claim constituted IR&D within the definition of the Act; - the employees claimed as being engaged on IR&D for specified periods were

so employed; - plant claimed is intended for and is being used solely on IR&D; - the expenditure claimed for a grant year was in fact incurred.

The Chairman holds a delegation from the Board to approve grant payments up to $100,000 to a company for IR&D performed in any one grant year pro­ vided the report thereon does not involve any question of principle not pre­ viously ruled on by the Board and that, if a selective grant is involved, the level of selective grant payment has been determined by the Board.

There are two types of grant: - A general grant covering eligible expenditure of a grant year up to $50,000. The grant currently payable is 50 per cent of such eligible expenditure. Pro­ vided the company meets the criteria of the Act, there is a virtual legal obli­

gation to pay the appropriate level of general grant.

- A selective grant covering eligible expenditure of a grant year in excess of $50,000. The rate of grant may be up to 50 per cent of eligible expenditure but in terms of section 27 (4) of the Act, in allocating selective grants between applicant companies the Board is required to use its discretion with a view to allocating moneys available for the payment of selective grants ‘in such man­ ner as appears most likely to contribute in the national interest to the attain­ ment of the following objectives:

(a) the development and use of Australian physical resources; (b) the expansion of exports; (c) import saving and improvement of the ability of Australian products to compete with imported products; (d) the improvement of productivity and reduction of costs in Australian

industry; and, (e) the development of the Australian economy in a manner conducive to the defence of the Commonwealth. ’ To assist the Board in allocating funds available for payment of selective grants,

many companies have been requested to submit an extra statement advising the manner in which their IR&D activities in a grant year were likely to contribute to the national interest criteria.

Following authorisation of a grant payment to a company by the Chairman or the Board, the Department of the Treasury is requested to make such payment direct to the Company.

The lowest grant payment is $3 paid to MacKay Manufacturing Co. Pty Ltd for IR&D performed in the 1972-73 grant year.

The largest grant paid to any one company in respect of IR&D in any one grant year was that made to General Motors Holden Pty Ltd of $930,894 for IR&D

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performed in the 1967-68 grant year. The total of actual payments accruing to a particular company in respect of a particular grant year is frequently spread over more than one fiscal year. In the case of the abovementioned grant year entitlements for GMH Pty Ltd these payments were spread over 3 years in the

following pattern: $482,140 paid during 68-69 $444,646 paid during 69-70 $4,108 paid during 70-71 The largest actual payment made to GMH Pty Ltd in any single financial year was $691,400 in 73-74 ($466,400 for 71-72 IR&D and $225,000 for 72-73

IR&D). • The payments made to General Motors Holden Pty Ltd was in accordance with the criteria set out in section 27 (4). In its Annual Report of 1969-70 in referring to selective grant payments, the Board made the following statements:

24. The Board has also, as reported earlier, taken account of the capacity of the applicant companies to meet from their own resources a somewhat higher proportion of their increased expenditure so as to disperse the funds available in the manner most likely to contribute to the maximum

attainment of the above objectives. (National interest criteria.) 25. From time to time, some prominence has been given to large companies. Undoubtedly some grants are large in absolute terms but relative to actual expenditure, the level of grant to large companies is usually much

less than for smaller companies. • Arising from the December 1973 amendments to the Act, the maximum grant that may now be paid to any one company in respect of IR&D performed in a grant year is $225,000, being general grant—$25,000 and selective

grant—$200,000, unless the Minister specifically authorises an exemption from this limit.

Description of the amount and percentage increase sought in the various categories within Division 319 Furniture Removals and Storage.

Additional Percentage

Revised appropriation increase

Category Appropriation estimate sought sought

$ $ $

Furniture Removals— I n t e r s t a te .................................. 3,240,000 5,516,000 2,276,000 70

I n t r a s t a te .................................. 540,000 713,000 175,000 32

O v e r s e a s .................................. 1,620,000 2,607,000 987,000 67

Storage ....................................... 1,331,000 1,464,000 135,000 10

Loss and/or Damage . . . . 910,000 1,001,000 91,000 10

Administration Costs . . . . 1,493,000 1,571,000 78,000 5

9,134,000 12,872,000 3,738,000 41

Expenditure from Division 319 Furniture Removals and Storage over a period of five years.

1970- 71 5,837,713

1971- 72 6,914,207

1972- 73 7,796,203

1973- 74 8,698,348

1974- 75 ( e s tim a te ) ....................................................... 12,872,000

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DIVISION 319-FURNITURE REMOVALS AND STORAGE: ESTIMATES OF EXPENDITURE BY DEPARTMENTS-1974-75

Estimated No. Estimated

Department 0f removals costs

Defence—Air Office ........................ .

Defence—Army Office .........................

Atomic Energy Commission . . . .

Attorney-General’s Department . . . Auditor General’s Office ....................

Australian Broadcasting Commission . Australian Broadcasting Control Board Aboriginal A f f a i r s ...................................

Capital Territory ..................................

Bureau of Roads ..................................

CSIRO ..................................

Customs and Excise ..............................

Defence .................................................

Education ............................................

Foreign A f f a i r s .......................................

H e a l t h ......................................................

Environment and Conservation . . . Housing and C o n s tr u c ti o n ...................

Labor and I m m ig r a tio n ........................

M e d i a ......................................................

Minerals and E n e r g y .............................

Northern D e v e lo p m e n t........................

Northern Territory .............................

National Library of Australia . . . .

Defence—Navy Office ........................

Overseas T r a d e .......................................

Agriculture ............................................

Prime Minister and Cabinet . . . .

Science .................................................

Public Service B o a r d .............................

Services and Property ........................

Repatriation and Compensation . . . Manufacturing I n d u s t r y ........................

Social S e c u r i t y .......................................

Special Minister of S t a t e ........................

Tourism and R e c re a tio n ........................

T a x a t i o n .................................................

Transport ............................................

T r e a s u r y .................................................

Urban and Regional Development . . Australian Development Assistance Agency

$

4 360 3,000,600

6 770 4,013,500

10 6,100

350 199,600

35 17,500

110 84,500

6 3,300

50 45,000

30 22,000

2 600

200 103,100

160 84,300

100 66,200

290 180,400

1 150 401,900

160 83,500

20 10,800

290 263,200

360 160,900

110 44,700

100 35,800

15 6,400

100 106,800

10 4,000

2 480 1,269,000

1 730 122,700

80 46,900

28 20,000

210 103,300

40 21,200

90 60,500

30 21,800

150 72,900

110 60,200

20 9,700

4 1,600

40 29,600

540 451,600

190 50,600

15 7,300

15 7,400

Total Removal, Storage and Loss and damage costs . . . . 11,301,000

Stores and Transport Administration costs ....................................... 1,571,000

Total 20 560 12,872,000

Note— ]. Estimates based on actual results to 28 February 1975. 2. Numbers of removals are numbers paid for from Division 319 and hence do not include numbers for Trading a n t e c i m b qc r h a D n c f n i n c t a r 1 V I T a n n rt m a n t Departments, such as the Postmaster-General’s Department.

The responsibility for approving items for inclusion in a removal belongs to the Chief Officer of the client Department. The guidelines within which he gives approval are set out in Determinations Relating to Overseas Service and the various Service Orders.

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The Department of Manufacturing Industry does not specifically check that guidelines are followed or entitlements not exceeded. However, in the placing of con­ tracts our reference to inventories may reveal goods which would normally be outside entitlement and in these cases the matter would be discussed with the officer’s Department.

Items such as motor vehicles, motor cycles, pets and inflammable materials are not normally carried by removalists and this Department would delete them from the inventory after advising the client Department.

PROVISION OF FUNDS-CENTRAL TRANSPORT AUTHORITY

A trust account has been provided to meet day-to-day costs such as: salaries, wages and allowances, vehicle services and maintenance, fuels, tyres and tubes, depreciation, amounts paid to taxi, bus and goods transport, contractors, sea, air and rail freight, clothing, water and sewerage, telephones, stationery and

other expenses. User Departments are charged for these services at rates to reimburse the costs incurred. There is a lag between when the costs are incurred and payments are made necessitating the provision of funds. Because of increased costs the amount required

to meet this lag has increased and extra working capital is needed to finance the day- to-day operations. The additional working capital requirement is met by this appropriation.

ATTORNEY-GENERAL’S DEPARTMENT

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

15 APRIL 1975

Question by Senator Missen

Division 120/2/01 — Administrative Expenses— Travelling and Subsistence

In reply to a question by Senator Missen regarding the increase in this item the Com­ mittee was given advice on overseas visits which included overseas visits by a number of Commonwealth Police. While these visits were ones for which the Attorney-General’s Department was

responsible prior to the transfer to the Department of Police and Customs, the costs of overseas travel by Commonwealth Police are a charge against Division 135—Com­ monwealth Police Force and not Division 120 which provides for the cost of travel and related expenditure in Central Office, branch offices in the States and Northern

Territory, consultants and Members of Boards, Committees and Tribunals. Attached for the information of the Committee is a schedule giving details of all overseas travel for the period commencing 1 July 1974 which is chargeable against this item.

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EXPENDITURE ON OVERSEAS TRAVEL-1974-75

Division 120 2 01

Travelling

Officer Date Destination Details o f Visit Fares Allowance

Mr & Mrs Shearer July U.K., Canberra

$

Removal on appointment 2,400 $ 400

R. B. Hutchison July Fiji Law Convention Ί Γ 650

D. De Stoop July Fiji Law Convention >- 4,000 4 650

E. Smith July Fiji Law Convention J (.650

P. Loof July London 2,400 600

E.M. Haddrick November 1974 Geneva UNIDROIT 2,400 1,050

N. E. Sainsbuty July London Judicial Administration 2,500 500

J. 0 . Ballard August 1974 Brazil Extradition o f Messrs A.

and T. Barton and R. G. Glanville

2,600 700

Judge Brennen August 1974 Within Europe Firearms Legislation 570 400

W. D. Rucklehaus December U.S.A., Canberra, Engagement as Consultant 2,100 1974 U.S.A. on Environmental Law

K. McPherson October Geneva Convention—International 2,400 400

and Comparative Law

D. J. Rose November Paris, London Legal Advisor to the 2,700 600

1974 Treasury on the Loans

( Qantas Airways Ltd) Act 1974

K. McPherson November Geneva UNCTAD 2,400 400

J. 0. Ballard ] November "I

Brazil

f Extradition o f Alexander l 6,100 2,350

Prof. Howard J 1974 J 1 and Thomas Barton

C. W. Harders November U.K., U.S.A. Constitutional

1974 matters—study of law

administration

G. J. Lindell November

1974

U.K., U.S.A. Constitutional matters . 10,000 2,000

K. M. Grotty November U.K., U.S.A., Study into law

1974 Canada, N.Z. administration

R. E. Cooper October 1974 Paris Attend OECD meeting 2,200 220

C. W. Harders December Various European Accompany Prime Minister 1974 countries on European Tour 2,565 525

D r A. Curry January 1975 London, Canberra, Attend 4th National 2,400 400

London Symposium on Forensic

Sciences

M. O ’Brien January 1975 Geneva Attend meeting of

UNCITRAL

2,900 300

Prof. C. Howard 1 A. C. Menzies J January 1975 -j Argentine, Brazil,

Paraguay

Extradition of Alexander 1 and Thomas Barton I 5,700 900

R. B. Hutchison January 1975 London Appeal to Privy Council 2,500 1,000

MrE. Lauterpacht January 1975 U.K., Canberra Removal on appointment as 4,860 Legal Advisor to the Australian Government on Private International Law

C. L. Hermes February 1975 London Travel on appointment 2,500 1,000

R. A. St John February 1975 Washington Travel on appointment 2,500

L. J. Curtis Ί Biannual meeting of *|

C. B. Fernando r February 1975 Nigeria < Commonwealth Law > 6,600 970

J Officers J

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Officer Date Destination Details of Visit Fares

Travelling Allowance

Mrs F. J. Mahony January to May Geneva Accompany Deputy

Secretary on his visit to the Diplomatic conference on the Reaffirmation and Development of

International Humanitarian Law

$

2,500

$

R.E. Neal March London Extradition of Messrs A.

and T. Barton

2,650 350

P. D. Massie April Brazil Extradition of Bartons

Total

2,200 400

$100,760

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F 15 APRIL 1975

Question by Senator Greenwood

Division 120, Sub-division 2, Item 05— Publication of Acts and Statutory Rules A further statement appears to be necessary to clear up any possible misunder­ standing in relation to this Item. The figure of $150,000 referred to in the explanatory note on this item for a sup­

plementary $200,000 is estimated by the Australian Government Publishing Service as the additional amount required as progress payments in the financial year 1974-75 for the preparation of Volumes 1-6, and the publishing of Volumes 1-5, of the General Reprint of Acts 1901-1973.

The supplementary figure is estimated to be required in 1974-75 in addition to the amount of $300,000 already allocated for the General Reprint of Acts in 1974-75. The amount of $300,000 was included in the amount of $475,000 approved for expenditure in 1974-75 on the General Reprint of Acts and annual volumes of Acts

and Statutory Rules. The total amount for expenditure in 1974-75 on the General Reprint of Acts will, with the supplementary figure asked for, be $450,000. On those estimates, it would appear that a similar amount will be required to complete the preparation and

publishing of the remaining Volumes of the Reprint of Acts in the 1975-76 year. When the Reprint of Acts has been completed, it is intended to commence general reprints of Statutory Rules and Territory legislation.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F 15 APRIL 1975

Question by Senator Greenwood Division 120/2/06— Administrative Expenses—Legal Expenses The explanation given in respect of this item in the Explanatory Notes furnished to the Committee was:

Item 06—Legal Expenses This item provides for the cost of search, conveyancing, court and other fees incurred on behalf of Departments and Statutory Authorities by the

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Deputy Crown Solicitor’s Office in all States, the Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory. It also includes legal costs arising from interven­ tions by the Attorney-General and prosecutions under various Acts adminis­ tered by the Department.

Appropriation No. 1,1974-75 Appropriation No. 5, 1974-75

$ $

175,000 125,000

The additional requirement is due to: $

Estimated legal expenses associated with extradition proceedings in relation to Messrs Barton and Glanville in 1974-75 ........................................................... 50,000

Counsel fees for Senate Select Committee of Inquiry into Civil Rights of Migrants 10,500 Numerous claims involving counsel fees, costs awarded against informants, other extradition proceedings, company investigations, etc........................................... 45,000

Estimated additional expenditure due to increased court fees in all States . . . 19,500

The reference to counsel fees for the Senate Select Committee of Inquiry into Civil Rights of Migrants is to the fees paid to Mr A. J. Leslie of counsel who received a brief from the Commonwealth Crown Solicitor to advise the Attorney-General in relation to matters arising during the hearing of the Senate Select Committee of Inquiry into Civil Rights of Migrants.

Counsel was asked to advise on a day-to-day basis and was provided with a tran­ script of the proceedings of the Committee as it became available. Counsel advised the Attorney-General from day to day on the proceedings before the Committee and associated matters. He perused and considered the terms of reference of the Committee, the Attorney-General’s Statement in the Senate and copies of all the documents tabled by the Attorney-General and Parliamentary and Hansard reports. He also examined the extensive written submissions by the Croatian

Civil Rights Committee and other migrant organisations as well as other submissions to the Committee by Australian Government Departments, the Commonwealth Police, N.S.W. Police Force and A.C.T. Police Force. Counsel conferred frequently with the Attorney-General and with officers of the

Attorney-General’s Department and tendered advice upon the written submissions, the trends of the oral evidence before the Committee and generally in relation to mat­ ters arising during the Inquiry. Mr Leslie’s memorandum of fees was submitted by him on 17 July 1974. The basis for his fee of $10,500 which included travelling expenses was for 350 hours at $30 per hour.

Mr Leslie’s account was passed for payment on 9 September 1974.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

15 APRIL 1975

Question by Senator Greenwood

Division 120/2/12— Administrative Expenses— Advertising

Division 133/2/07—Trade Practices Commission— Administrative Expenses— Advertising There are two provisions in Appropriation Bill (No. 5) for advertising the pro­ visions of the Trade Practices Act. These are:

Division 120/2/12 ............................ $300,000

Division 133/2/07 ............................ $350,000

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The amount provided under Division 133/2/07 was sought from the Treasury following the passage of the Trade Practices Act in August last year. In view of the very severe penalties provided under the Act, the Government thought it should make it clear what practices would become unlawful and that it

should suggest to businessmen that they read the provisions of the Act and advise where the Act can be obtained. It was also considered that there should be some explanation of the consumer pro­ tection provisions of the Act so that consumers can be made aware of the new laws.

The funds under 133/2/07 financed a series of three press advertisements which were run nationally. The first, directed mainly towards the business community, appeared mainly in September and October last year. It was headed ‘20 of the questions all businessmen will have to ask themselves

now’. It appeared in all the metropolitan dailies, the metropolitan Sundays, non­ capital city dailies, the provincial press, magazines, the trade union press and the eth­ nic press. The total cost for this advertisement was $123,482. Detailed figures are given in Attachment A.

The next two advertisements were aimed at the consumer and were titled ‘What to do if you don’t get a fair go when you shop’ and ‘Why you should get a fair go now when you shop’. The cost of this campaign which appeared in the same range of newspapers was $194,732. Details are given in Attachment B.

There was also further expenditure under this item in respect of notices under the Trade Practices Act and the advertisement of vacancies for positions for the Trade Practices Commission. Although these funds were provided under the votes for the Trade Practices Com­

mission, the responsibility for devising and placing the advertisements was exercised by the Attorney-General, and the Attorney-General’s Department in consultation with the Trade Practices Commission. The work on the advertisements in the Department was done by the Information

Branch of the Business Affairs Division. The further amount of $300,000 in Division 120/2/12 was sought as part of a broader campaign to alert the consumer about specific provisions in the Act. Because the Attorney-General and the Attorney-General’s Department were accepting re­

sponsibility for the campaign, the funds were allocated in a different Division, but it was a combination of the same campaign. The campaign will be based on television commercials and will be supported by information booklets. Discussions are at an advanced stage with the Australian

Government Advertising Service, scripts have been written and a pilot run should be ready by the end of the month.

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ATTACHMENT A

Trade Practices Advertising—‘Twenty of the questions all businessmen will have to ask themselves now’

. $

Metropolitan D a i l i e s ......................................... . 27,191

Metropolitan Sundays .................................................. 15,830

Non-Capital City Dailies ....................................... 3,698

Non-Capital City Nationals . . . . . . . . 1,177

Provincial Press ...................................................... 31,053

Ethnic P r e s s ................................................................ 18,966

Union Publications ....................................................... 4,713

Magazines ...................................................................... 8,564

111,192

Service F e e ................................................. 2,123

113,315

Production c o s t s ....................................... 10,068

123,383

ATTACHMENT B

Trade Practices Advertising—‘What to do if you don’t get a fair go when you shop’and ‘Why you should get a fair go, now, when you shop ’ $ Metropolitan D a i l i e s ................................................. 25,043.20

National and Non-Capital Cities . . . . . . . 7,785.86

Metropolitan Sundays ........................ 26,859.66

Provincial Press ‘A ’D a i l i e s ...................................................... 8,255.52

‘A ’Class ...................................................... 41,587.56

‘B’Class ...................................................... 16,019.64

‘C ’Class ...................................................... 8,008.56

Trade Union P u b li c a ti o n s ....................................... 12,960.50

Ethnic P r e s s ................................................................ 25,200.00

171,720.50

+ 2% Service Fee ............................. .... 3,434.41

+ 1.5% Special Creative Reserve Fee . 2,575.81

177,730.72

+ 10% Production Allowance . . . . 17,000.00

194,730.72

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

15 April 1975

Question by Senator Greenwood

Division 126/2/05— Administrative Expenses—Library Books, Journals and Periodicals The Income Tax Assessment Act (No. 3) 1973, which was assented to on 18 June 1973, made provision for single justice jurisdiction in income matters to be exercised

by the Supreme Courts of the States instead of both the High Court and State Supreme Courts. On 16 July 1973 the Prime Minister wrote to the Premier of New South Wales (then Sir Robert Askin) advising him that arrangements would be made to lend the

Supreme Court of New South Wales relevant law reports, textbooks etc. A copy of the Prime Minister’s letter is attached. Sir Robert replied on 27 July 1973, accepting Mr Whitlam’s suggestion that details of the loan of the library material be arranged at officer level. A copy of Sir

Robert’s letter is attached. Mr Justice Mahoney of the Supreme Court of New South Wales, who was dealing with taxation matters, subsequently requested in August 1974 the list of books and journals marked Annexures A and B which are attached. The Department considered

the books constituted a reasonable in-depth library for a judge exercising jurisdiction in taxation matters. The estimated cost of these books and journals is $6,000. Although all of the books and reports etc. listed in Annexures A and B will be physically located in the library of the Supreme Court of New South Wales, they are

first sent to the librarian of the Attorney-General’s Department to be accessioned. They remain the property of the Attorney-General’s Department and the agreement with the New South Wales Government is that they are only on loan to the library of the Supreme Court of New South Wales.

PRIME MINISTER

Canberra 16 July 1973

Dear Sir Robert,

I am writing to you further to my letter of 18 June concerning single justice juris­ diction in income matters which, pending the establishment of the Superior Court, is to be transferred from the High Courts to State Supreme Courts. Arrangements will be made to lend your Supreme Court relevant law reports,

textbooks, etc. I suggest that the actual details be worked out between the appropriate State officials and the Attorney-General’s Department.

Yours sincerely, E. G. WHITLAM

The Hon. Sir Robert Askin, K.C.M.G., M.L.A. Premier of New South Wales Sydney, N.S.W. 2000

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P R E M I E R O F N E W S O U T H W A L E S

27 July 1973

Dear Mr Barnard,

I refer to the Prime Minister’s letter of 16 July concerning the temporary transfer of jurisdiction in income tax matters to State Supreme Courts. As Mr Whitlam has suggested, it would be appropriate for details concerning the loan of law reports, textbooks etc. to be arranged at officer level and I am asking my colleague, the Attorney-General, to take the necessary action in this regard.

Yours faithfully, TOM LEWIS Premier

The Hon. L. H. Barnard, M.P. Acting Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of Australia Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

ANNEXUREA

BASIC TAXATION MATERIAL HELD IN THE SUPREME COURT LIBRARY

1. SERVICES (a) CCH (i) Australian Federal Tax Reporter (ii) Australian Tax Cases, 1969-1972 (b) Butterworths

(i) Gunn’s Income Tax Law and Practice (and current service) (ii) Australasian Tax Reports, Vol. I (1970) (iii) Commonwealth Taxation Board of Review Decisions (NS)

2. PERIODICALS Australian Tax Review

3. BOOKS AND REPORTS (a) Income Tax Assessment Act, 1936 (as amended yearly) (b ) Whiteman and Wheatcroft: Income Tax and Surtax (c) Harrison’s Index to Tax Cases (6th edition) and Cumulative Supplement (d) Tax Cases (English) (Official Publication) (e) Australia and New Zealand Tax Reports (Discontinued) (Butterworths) (f) Australasian Tax Decisions (Discontinued) (Law Book Company) (g) Australian Taxation Board of Review Decisions (Commonwealth Govern­

ment Printer) Vols 1-15 (h) Taxation Board of Review Decisions Vol. 1 (1950-51)— Vol. 18 (1968-69) (Law Book Company) (i) Canada Tax Cases, Vol. 1 to date

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ADDITIONAL TAXATION MATERIAL REQUIRED

Estimated cost

1. AUSTRALIA (i) CCH. Australian Federal Tax Reporter 3 sets. $158.00 per annum including a subscription for the Australian Tax Cases (ii) Australian Tax Cases 1969 to 1972. 3 sets at $40.00

per set

(iii) Gunn’s Income Tax Law and Practice, and current service. 3 sets at $92.00 each and three annual subscriptions of $55.00 which includes the cost of the annual volumes of the Australian Tax Reports and

the Commonwealth Taxation Board of Review De­ cisions (iv) Australian Tax Review: one subscription at $15.00 per annum (Vols 1 and 2 to date) (v) Income Tax Assessment Act, 1936 (as amended) 6

copies at $2.40 each (vi) Taxation in Australia. (Periodical)

$474.00 p.a.

$ 120.00

$276.00 $165.00 p.a.

$30.00 $15.00 p.a. $14.40

$12.00 p.a.

2. UNITED KINGDOM (i) Great Britain. Board of Inland Revenue: Taxes Acts— Income Tax, Corporation Tax and Capital Gains Tax— Annual Editions. 3 volumes (ii) Great Britain. Board of Inland Revenue: Income

Taxes outside the United Kingdom. A loose-leaf pub­ lication in 8 volumes. 2 sets at $33.36 each (iii) Tax Cases Leaflets Service to keep the Tax Cases up to date

(iv) British Tax Review (v) Taxation (vi) Simons Income Taxes (9 loose-leaf volumes)

(vii) British Tax Encyclopaedia

(viii) Potter and Monroe on Tax Planning (7th edition in preparation) 2 copies (ix) Whiteman and Wheatcroft: Income Tax and Surtax

(x) Annotated Tax Cases (English), 1920 to date

(xi) Wheatcroft: Capital Gains Tax (2nd edition in prep­ aration) 2 copies (xii) Corporation Tax (by Talbot and Wheatcroft) (2nd edition in preparation) 2 copies

$12.14 p.a.

$66.72 p.a.

$5.75 p.a.

$14.80 p.a. $20.00 p.a. $218.00 $58.00 p.a.

$ 108.00 m ain

work $52.50 p.a. Price not avail­ able

Price not avail­ able Price not avail­ able

Price not avail­ able Price not avail­ able

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3. NEW ZEALAND (i) Income Tax Law In New Zealand (by Cunningham and Thompson, 6th ed., 4 vols) and Index (and replacement vols, service) (ii) CCH Tax Reporter (New Zealand)

4. CANADA (i) CCH Tax Reporter (Canada) (including annual volume of the Dominion Tax Cases) (ii) Canadian Dominion Tax Cases 1920 to date (25

volumes)

5. U.S.A. (i) CCH Tax Reporter (U.S.A.) (including annual vol­ ume of the U.S. Tax Cases)

(ii) United States Board of Tax Appeals Reports (Government Printer) 47 volumes 1924 to 1942 (iii) Tax Court Reports. 1942 to date (iv) CCH U.S. Tax Cases 1913 to date approximately 56

volumes at $8.00 per volume (v) Moore: Tax Court Digest 1924 to date (Bobbs- Merrill) (vi) Journal of Taxation

6. SOUTH AFRICA (i) Income Tax Law in South Africa: Myerowitz and Spiro. 2 copies (ii) South Africa Tax Cases. 32 volumes and 2 Index vol­

umes at R 16.00 per volume

$25.00 $25.00 p.a.

$58.00 p.a.

$177.00 p.a.

$375.00

$314.00 p.a. (complete Tax service) or $240.00 p.a. (Income Tax only)

$U.S.395.00

$U.S.360.00 $448.00

Price not known

$U.S.36.00 p.a.

$526.00

QUESTION ASKED BY SENATOR R. C. WRIGHT IN SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F ON 17 APRIL 1975

At the meeting of Senate Estimates Committee F on 17 April 1975, Senator R. C. Wright asked why Division 131 /3/02 ‘Legal Aid—grants to supplement existing legal aid schemes’ had been included in Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1974-75 rather than in Appropriation Bill (No. 6) 1974-75 (the amendable Bill).

At page 239 of the Hansard Report on Estimates Committee F, Senator Wright refers to the practice of the Senate as laid down as to the division of appropriations between the ordinary annual services Bill and the amendable Bill and suggests that it is specifically laid down in the resolutions of the Senate that grants to the States are invariably matters for the amendable Bill. As to the practice see J. R. Odgers Aus­

tralian Senate Practice, 4th edition, at pages 330-332. Appropriation Act (No. 2) 1973-74 Division 811/02 provided for an amount of $2m for ‘legal aid—special assistance to the States’. The provision made in Division 131 /3/02 in Appropriation Act (No. 1) 1974-75 was made not for ‘special assistance to the States’ but for ‘grants to supplement existing legal aid services’ with the inten­ tion that there should be no requirement to pay the grants to the States. The provision in Division 13/3/02 Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1974-75 is in the same terms as the

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provision in Appropriation Act (No. 1) 1974-75 for the same reason. The statement attributed to Mr Harders (it should read Mr Harkins) at page 89 of the Hansard report of 15 April 1975 that ‘sub-division 3 is concerned solely with grants to the States and the basis of that is section 96 of the Constitution’ is incorrect. At page 238 of the Hansard report of 17 April 1975 Mr Harkins corrected this and said T under­ stand these grants are not made formally under section 96.1 understand that they are

made in the same manner as contemplated, namely, direct to the States An amount of $1.3m was included in Appropriation Act (No. 1) 1974-75. With regard to this amount, the former Attorney-General informed Estimates Committee A on 31 October 1974 that ‘the money is not necessarily to be made available through

the States— certainly not all of it ’. Later on he said: ‘You m ight say th a t this is a provision o f m oneys for legal aid, and you know it will go to legal aid bodies. Y ou m ay say th a t channelling o f th a t m oney has not been determ ined, but the estim ates provide fo r th a t am ount o f m oney to go. I do not think there w ould be m uch

doubt that it w ould be properly accounted for in the governm ental sense o f accounting an d that it is m eeting an evident need. ’

It will be seen therefore that the item now in question does not, either in its terms or in its intention, refer to or invoke section 96 of the Constitution, and no ‘grant to the States under section 96 of the Constitution’ within the meaning of the resolutions referred to by Senator Wright is involved. The authority contained in the item is

defined by reference to the purpose for which the payments are to be made. The chan­ nelling of the payments is left as a matter of administration, to be properly accounted for according to the applicable procedures. Accordingly these payments may be made to a local legal aid scheme, such as the Fitzroy Legal Service, or to a Law Society

scheme in a State, either by direct payments to the bodies involved or using the chan­ nel of State Governments if they are willing to co-operate to that end. The constitutional authority to authorise such payments therefore rests upon the authority of the National Parliament to authorise payments for community purposes

such as legal aid, and not upon section 96 of the Constitution. Of the $1.3m an amount of $109,000 has already been expended. This amount was allocated as follows: • $50,000 to the Treasury of Western Australia for payment to the Western Aus­

tralian Legal Assistance Scheme • $36,000 direct to the Law Society of Tasmania • $23,000 direct to the Fitzroy Legal Service ($20,000 on 10 October 1974 and $3,000 on 28 January 1975).

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D E P A R T M E N T O F P O L I C E A N D C U S T O M S

PRESENT SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS AT PARLIAMENT HOUSE

Australia Police When Parliament is sitting 15 officers are on duty at Parliament House. The officers are: 1 Sergeant in charge

4 Constables for the House of Representatives 4 Constables for the Senate 1 Constable at the main door 1 Constable to patrol galleries 4 Constables to patrol outside Parliament House

15 These arrangements require an establishment of 32 positions to allow for the shift work involved and to provide for relief positions. Security arrangements under the A.C.T. Police provided 14 officers per shift.

DEPARTMENT OF POLICE AND CUSTOMS

SCHEDULE OF COSTS IN THE CASE SW EENY v. C7?DCW-POSSESSION OF PROHIBITED DRUG-CANNABIS

1. Solicitor’s c o s t s ..........................................

2. Defendant’s expenses in travelling to Canberra 3. Expenses for Defence and 2 expert witnesses 4. Council’s fees (J. F. Gallop) ...................

750

$

215 30 210 295

DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE P.O. Box 449 Woden, A.C.T. 2606

The Secretary Senate Estimates Committee F Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE ANTARCTIC DIVISION- ACQUISITION OF LAND, KINGSTON, TASMANIA During the examination of the Department of Science by Senate Estimates Com­ mittee F, an undertaking was given that information would be provided about the purchase price of land at Kingston, Tasmania, for the Headquarters of the Antarctic Division.

The price of the land, being part of the property known as ‘Linden Rise’ situated about one mile south-west of Kingston, was $62,000.1 should point out that the area of the land is six hectares not ten hectares as stated in oral evidence. A. H. ENNOR

Secretary

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Estimates Committee F

Minutes of Proceedings

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 1 TUESDAY, 15 APRIL 1975

1. PRIVATE MEETING: The Committee met at 4.30 p.m.

2. REFERENCE TO AND MEMBERSHIP OF ESTIMATES COMMITTEE: The resolutions of the Senate of 8 April and 15 April relating to the referral of the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure 1974-75 to the Committees for examination and report and the membership of the Committee were reported to

the Committee.

3. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Everett, Senator Georges was elected Chairman of the Committee. Senator Georges thereupon took the Chair.

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4. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975 and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1975, and stated that, pursuant to the Order of the Senate of 8

April 1975, the Committee would consider the following departmental estimates:

Document* Page Division Department Amount

No.

$

A 33-34 315-321 Manufacturing Industry** ......................... 11,685,500

B 10 881-883 Manufacturing Industry ...................................4,318,000

A 9-13 120-142 Attorney-General’s ........................................ 3,945,000

B 4-5 810-812 Attorney-General’s ....................................... 732,000

A 43-45 135-180 Police and C u s to m s ........................................ 10,505,000

A 52-56 475-494 S c i e n c e ............................................................ 8,999,000

B 13 930-934 S c i e n c e ............................................................ 735,000

* Document A—‘Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975’. * Document B— ‘Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1975’. ** Excluding those items under the control of the Department of Defence (Division 325), the Department of Housing and Construction (Division 327), and the Department of Services and Property (Division 329).

5. PUBLIC MEETING: PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974-75-DEPARTMENT OF MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY: Appearing: Senator the Honourable James McClelland, Minister for Manufactur­ ing Industry, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr D. J. O’Connor, Deputy Secretary, Management and Supply Mr A. M. Godfrey, First Assistant Secretary, Industry Policy and Planning Division Mr K. McKnown, Assistant Secretary, Finance Branch

Mr K. J. Nielson, Assistant Secretary, Metal Manufacturing and Electrical Branch, Engineering Industries Division

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Treasury Representatives: Mr F. J. Balaam, Acting Chief Finance Officer Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 315-321—Department of Manufacturing Industry (Document A) Divisions 881-883—Department of Manufacturing Industry (Document B) The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Manufacturing Industry.

6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974-75-ATTORNEY-GENERAL’S DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Honourable James McClelland, Minister for Manufactur­ ing Industry, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr C. W. Harders, O.B.E., Secretary to the Attorney-General’s Department Mr A. R. Neaves, Crown Solicitor Mr L. J. Curtis, First Assistant Secretary, Federal Courts, Intellectual Prop­ erty, Territories and Law Reform Division Mr J. O. Ballard, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Justice and Family Law

Division Mr G. J. F. Yuill, Acting First Assistant Secretaiy, Business Affairs Division Mr J. P. Harkins, Director, Australian Legal Aid Office Mr E. Tudor, First Assistant Secretary, Legislative Drafting Division Mr K. M. Crotty, First Assistant Secretary, Management and Special Services

Division Mr R. L. Harrison, First Assistant Commissioner, Trade Practices Com­ mission Mr J. T. Johnstone, Inspector-General in Bankruptcy Mr P. R. Loof, Deputy Chairman, Institute of Criminology Mr A. B. French, Director, Finance Section Mr S. G. Payne, Administrative Assistant.

Treasury Representatives: Mr F. J. Balaam, Acting Chief Finance Officer Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer. The Chairman called on the following Division for consideration:

Divisions 120-142-Attorney-General’s Department (Document A) Divisions 810-812— Attorney-General’s Department (Document B). The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered: Document A $

DIVISION 120 -ADMINISTRATIVE

1. —Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary-01. Salaries and allowances ..................................... 433,300

0 2 . Overtime ...................................................................... 2,000

2. — Administrative Expenses— 01. Travelling and subsistence .......................................... 150,000

03. Postage, telegrams and telephone s e r v i c e s ....................21,200 04. Office services ............................................................. 8,300

05. Publication of Acts and Statutory R u l e s ........................ 200,000

06. Legal expenses ................................................................ 125,000

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$

06. Legal expenses ............................................................. 125,000

07. Library books, journals and p e rio d ic a ls ....................... 35,000

08. Committees and Tribinals— Fees ....................... 1,800

11. Incidental and other expenditure ................................ 10,200

Document A, Division 120, Sub-division 2— Administrative Expenses—Item 12. Advertising—$300,000 being considered by the Committee-Resolved on the motion of Senator Wright— That further consideration of Item 12 be deferred.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered: Document A $

D iv isio n 120 —A d m in is t r a t iv e

3.— Other Services— 04. Commonwealth Legal Advisory Service—Contribution 200 05. Removal of Prisoners (Australian Capital Territory) Act — Payment to New South Wales .................................... 101,400

06. Berne Union for Protection of Literary and Artistic Works—C ontributions.........................................................15,700

07. The Hague Conference— Contribution ....................... 5,100

0 8. International Institute for the Unification of Private Law 1,000 09. Papua New Guinea Judges— Salaries and Allowances . 17,400 10. Papua New Guinea Judges and Dependants— Pensions 14,400 11. Law Courts Limited—contribution to operating expenses 13,400 D iv isio n 121- O ffic e o f Pa r l ia m e n t a r y Co u n se l

1. — Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary— 01. Salaries and allowances .............................................. 20,300

2. — Administrative Expenses— 02. Incidental and other expenditure ................................ 2,000

D iv isio n 1 2 3 -R e p o r t in g B r a n c h

1. —Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary— 01. Salaries and allowances .............................................. 260,200

2. — Administrative Expenses— 01. Travelling and subsistence ................................................15,200

02. Office requisites and equipment, stationery and printing 19,000 03. Postage, telegrams and telephone s e r v i c e s ................... 4,000

04. Incidental and other expenditure ................................. 67,800

D iv isio n 1 2 4 -C r o w n So l ic it o r’s Offices

1. —Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary- 01. Salaries and allowances ..................................................510,800

2. — Administrative Expenses— 02. Office requisites and equipment, stationery and printing 4,700 03. Postage, telegrams and telephone s e r v i c e s ................... 7,100

04. Office services ............................................................. 300

05. Library books, journals and p e rio d ic a ls ....................... 2,200

D iv isio n 1 2 6 -H igh Co u r t

1 .— Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary— 01. Salaries and allowances .............................................. 36,000

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2. — Administrative Expenses— $

01. Travelling and subsistence ........................................... 7,600

02. Office requisites and equipment, stationery and printing 3,000 04. Office Services .............................................................. 8,200

05. Library books, journals and p e rio d ic a ls ........................18,600

07. Incidental and other expenditure ........................... . 3,100

D i v i s i o n 1 2 8 - b a n k r u p t c y a d m i n i s t r a t i o n

1. — Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary— 01. Salaries and allowances ............................................... 29,500

2. — Administrative Expenses— 04. Office services ............................................................. 300

07. Incidental and other expenditure ................................ 7,000

D iv isio n 1 2 9 -C o n c il ia t io n a n d A r b it r a t io n 1. —Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary-01. Salaries and allowances ............................................... 47,000

2. — Administrative Expenses— 04. Office services ............................................................. 5,400

06. Library books, journals and p e rio d ic a ls ........................ 2,000

07. Incidental and other expenditure .................................19,000

Document A, Division 131, Sub-division 3—Other Services—Item 02. Legal A id- Grants to supplement existing Legal Aid Schemes— $250,000, being considered by the Committee.

7. PRIVATE MEETING: The Committee met in private session to consider its future meetings.

8. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.10 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

9. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Sena­ tor Georges (Chairman), Senator Everett, Senator Greenwood, Senator Grimes, Senator Missen, Senator Wright. Senators Chaney, Cotton and Jessop also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 2 THURSDAY, 17 APRIL 1975

1. PRIVATE MEETING: The Committee met at 8.00 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Georges) took the Chair.

2. PROGRESS OF COMMITTEE IN CONSIDERING ADDITIONAL ESTI­ MATES: The Committee discussed the progress which it had made towards completing consideration of the Additional Estimates.

3. MINUTES: The Minutes of the previous meeting held on 15 April 1975 were read and confirmed.

4. PUBLIC MEETING: PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974-75-ATTORNEY-GENERAL’S DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Honourable James McClelland, Minister for Manufactur­ ing Industry, accompanied by:

Mr C. W. Harders, O.B.E., Secretary to the Attorney-General’s Department Mr A. R. Neaves, Crown Solicitor Mr L. J. Curtis, First Assistant Secretary, Federal Courts, Intellectual Prop­ erty, Territories and Law Reform Division

Mr G. J. F. Yuill, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Business Affairs Division Mr J. P. Harkins, Director, Australian Legal Aid Office Mr E. Tudor, First Assistant Secretary, Legislative Drafting Division Mr K. M. Crotty, First Assistant Secretary, Management and Special Services

Division Mr R. L. Harrison, First Assistant Commissioner, Trade Practices Com­ mission Mr P. R. Loof, Deputy Chairman, Institute of Criminology

Mr A. B. French, Director, Finance Section Mr S. G. Payne, Administrative Assistant. Treasury Representative: Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered.

THE SENATE

Document A $

DIVISION 131 -AUSTRALIAN LEGAL AID OFFICE 3.— Other Services— 02. Legal Aid— Grants to supplement existing Legal Aid Schemes ...................................................................... 250,000

04. Legal Aid in the Australian Capital Territory—Legal Aid Ordinance 1972, section 19 142,300

D ivision 1 2 0 -A d m in ist r a t iv e

2.— Administrative Expenses— 12. Advertising .................................................................. 300,000

(Further consideration of which had been postponed from 15 April)

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D iv isio n 13 3 - T r a d e P r a c t ic e s Co m m issio n $

1. — Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary— 01. Salaries and allowances ............................................... 347,000

02. Overtime ....................................................................... 35,600

2. — Administrative Expenses— 01. Travelling and subsistence .......................................... 28,000

02. Office requisites and equipment, stationery and printing 26,000 04. Library books, journals and periodicals ................... 4,000

05. Consultants’ and Counsel’s fees ................................. 5,000

06. Incidental and other expenditure .................................10,000

07. Advertising .................................................................. 350,000

d iv is io n 139 —A u s t r a l ia n Ca p it a l Te r r it o r y Co u r t s

A n d R e g is t r a t io n Offic e s

1. —Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary— 01. Salaries and allowances ............................................... 53,000

2. — Administrative Expenses— 06. Incidental and other expenditure ................................ 3,000

d iv is io n 1 4 0 - N o r t h e r n Te r r it o r y Co u r t s A n d Re g is­ t r a t io n o f f ic e s

1. — Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary— 01. Salaries and allowances ................................................. 32,600

2. — Administrative Expenses— 06. Library books, journals and p e rio d ic a ls ....................... 44,800

07. Incidental and other expenditure .................................... 4,000

Division 142-AUSTRALIAN INSTITUTE OF CRIMINOLOGY 1.—For expenditure under the Criminology Research A c t -Running expenses ............................................................... 54,000

Document B Division 8 1 0 -C a p it a l W o r k s a n d S e r v i c e s 1. — Buildings and Works— 01. Commonwealth-State Law Courts, S y d n e y ................... 720,900

2. — Plant and Equipment- 06. Northern Territory Courts and Registration Offices . . 6,100 Division 812-OTHER S e r v i c e s 03. Victorian Public Interest Research Group Limited-

Research Project into Advertising in Australia-Grant . . 5,000 The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Attorney-General’s Department.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF POLICE AND CUSTOMS:

Appearing: Senator the Honourable James McClelland, Minister for Manufactur­ ing Industry, accompanied by the following officers: Mr A. T. Carmody, C.B.E., Permanent Head of the Department of Police and Customs

Mr J. T. O ’Connor, First Assistant Comptroller-General, Management Services.

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Treasury Representative: Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Division 135-180—Department of Police and Customs (Document A).

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of Police and Customs. 6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE:

Appearing: Senator the Honourable James McClelland, Minister for Manufactur­ ing Industry, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Science: Mr J. P. Lonergan, First Assistant Secretary, Department of Science, Canberra Mr W. N. Hurst, Assistant Secretary, Research Branch, Department of

Science, Canberra Mr P. B. Free, Senior Assistant Secretary, General Services Division, Depart­ ment of Science, Canberra Mr C. A. Webster, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch, De­

partment of Science, Canberra Mr K. Walshe, Executive Officer (Finance and Supply), Bureau of Meteor­ ology, Melbourne Mr W. D ’este Lockwood, Finance Officer, National Standards Commission,

Sydney Mr P. W. O ’Brien, Assistant Commissioner, Administration, Patent, Trade Marks and Designs Office, Canberra.

Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation: Mr R. W. Viney, Senior Assistant Secretary, Finance and Properties Mr S. Lattimore, Senior Assistant Secretary, Industrial and Physical Sciences Mr A. Charles, Assistant Secretary, Agricultural and Biological Sciences.

Treasury Representative: Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 475-494—Department of Science (Document A)

Divisions 930-934—Department of Science (Document B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of Science. 7. PRIVATE MEETING-REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE:

The Committee deliberated upon its report to the Senate. The draft report, as agreed upon, would be circulated to members of the Committee before presentation. 8. ADJOURNMENT:

The Committee adjourned at 10.08 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed. 9. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Georges (Chair­ man), Senators Everett, Greenwood, Grimes, Missen, Wright.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE G

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE G

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee G has the honour to present its report to the Senate. 1. On 8 April 1975, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Esti­ mates for the year 1974-75 relating to the following Departments: Department of Aboriginal Affairs

Department of Northern Development Department of the Northern Territory Department of Urban and Regional Development Department of Housing and Construction.

2. The Committee considered the Additional Estimates and received expla­ nations of them from the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and officers of the Depart­ ments concerned. A copy of the Committee’s Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken are tabled for the information of the Senate in con­

nection with Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1974-75 and Appropriation Bill (No. 6) 1974-75.

3. The Committee noted what was eventually established as inconsistent termin­ ology used to explain some of the proposed additional expenditure. The Committee draws to the attention of departments the need for uniformity of expression in ex­ planatory statements.

4. The Committee, however, records its general appreciation of the explanations provided by the Minister and officers of the various Departments who assisted during the examination.

J. B. KEEFFE Chairman

21 April 1975

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Estimates Committee G

Minutes of Proceedings

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE G MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 4 TUESDAY, 15 APRIL 1975

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.32 p.m.

2. ABSENCE OF CHAIRMAN: The Secretary reported the unavoidable absence of the Chairman (Senator Keeffe) and stated that pursuant to paragraph (7) of the Resolution of the Senate of 1 October 1974, relating to Estimates Committees, Senator Keeffe had appointed Senator Gietzelt as Deputy-Chairman.

Senator Gietzelt thereupon took the Chair.

3. REFERENCE TO, AND MEMBERSHIP OF ESTIMATES COMMITTEES: The Resolutions of the Senate of 8 April and 15 April 1975 relating to the reference of proposed additional expenditure and the membership of the Com­ mittees were reported.

4. STATEMENT BY DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN: The Deputy-Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its exam­ ination of the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975, and stated that, pursuant to the Resolution of the

Senate on 8 April 1975, the Committee would consider the following departmen­ tal estimates:

THE SENATE

Document* Page Division

No.

Department Amount

A 6 110 Aboriginal Affairs .......................................

$

4,292,000

A 39 370 Northern Development ............................. 231,000

B 11 895 Northern Development ............................. 40,000

A 40-41 380-382 Northern T e r r i t o r y ....................................... 3,776,000

B 11-12 900-901 Northern T e r r i t o r y ....................................... 840,000

A 75 592-596 Urban and Regional Development . . . 1,016,000

B 16 971-973 Urban and Regional Development . . . 13,598,000

A 28-30 285-292 Housing and Construction ........................ 10,192,000

Defence Research and Development Estab-lishments (M a n u fa ctu rin g Industry)

A 34 327 —Repairs and Maintenance . . . . 80,000

B 8-9 870-872 Housing and Construction ........................ 24,656,000

* Document A— ‘ Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975’. * Document B— ‘ Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1975 ’.

Ordered— That the Additional Estimates for the Department of Housing and Con­ struction be first considered.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND CONSTRUCTION: Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr A. S. Reiher, Secretary Mr K. J. Rodda, Deputy Secretary

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Mr A. J. Selleck, First Assistant Secretary (Housing Assistance Division) Mr K. D. A. Medbury, Director, Defence Service Homes Mr A. W. Miles, Assistant Secretary (Works) Mr W. D. Hamilton, Assistant Secretary (Finance) Mr R. B. Brown, General Manager, Commonwealth Hostels Limited Treasury Official:

Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Deputy-Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 285-292—Department of Housing and Construction (Document A) Division 327—Department of Manufacturing Industry (Document A)

Divisions 870-872— Department of Housing and Construction (Document B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of Housing and Construction.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.26 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Sena­ tors Gietzelt, Bunton, McLaren, Rae and Sheil (5).

CERTIFIED CORRECT.

A. T. GIETZELT Deputy-Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE G MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 5 THURSDAY, 17 APRIL 1975

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 7.35 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Keeffe) took the Chair.

2. POSTPONEMENT: Ordered—The Particulars of Proposed Additional Expendi­ ture be considered in the following order:

Department of Northern Development Department of the Northern Territory Department of Aboriginal Affairs Department of Urban and Regional Development.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF NORTHERN DEVELOPMENT:

Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, accompanied by the following officers: Mr A. G. Bennett, First Assistant Secretary, Resources Division Mr C. G. Fereday, Director, Management and Special Services Branch.

Treasury Official: Mr S. J. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Division 370—Department of Northern Development (Document A) Division 895—Department of Northern Development (Document B).

The Committee concluded its examination of the proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Northern Development.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF THE NORTHERN TERRITORY:

Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, accompanied by the following officers: Mr N. Lynagh, Assistant Secretary, Finance, Supply and Transport Mr W. Hull, Director, Estimating and Works Programming Section, Finance,

Supply and Transport (Director of temporary Disaster Finance Section).

Treasury Official: Mr S. J. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 380-382— Department of the Northern Territory (Document A) Divisions 900-901 —Department of the Northern Territory (Document B).

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of the Northern Territory.

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5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS: Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr L. A. J. Malone, First Assistant Secretary, Operations Division Mr B. J. Powell, Director, Program Development and Review Branch Mr R. J. Angel, Director, Aboriginal Loans Commission Secretariat Mr F. Thorburn, Controller, Finance. Treasury Official: Mr S. J. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and

Supply Division. The Chairman called on the following Division for consideration: Division 110—Department of Aboriginal Affairs (Document A). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of Aboriginal Affairs.

6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1974­ 75-DEPARTMENT OF URBAN AND REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT: Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr L. R. Killeen, First Assistant Secretary, Management Mr P. E. White, Director, Finance Dr P. J. Crawford, Assistant Secretary, Urban Environment Mr H. Wardlaw, Acting Glebe Project Manager Mr K. J. Curtis, Acting Secretary and Manager, National Capital Develop­

ment Commission Mr B. M. Browning, Acting Senior Assistant Secretary, National Capital Development Commission Mr F. R. Harvey, Assistant Secretary, Programming Conditions and Finance,

Cities Commission Mr R. J. Kinsella, Chief Finance Officer, Cities Commission. Treasury Official: Mr S. J. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 592-596— Department of Urban and Regional Development (Docu­ ment A) Divisions 971-973— Department of Urban and Regional Development (Docu­ ment B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed additional expendi­ ture for the Department of Urban and Regional Development.

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.10 p.m. till a date and hour to be fixed.

8. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Sena­ tors Keeffe, Bunton, McLaren, Rae and Sheil (5). J. B. KEEFFE Chairman

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE G MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 6 MONDAY, 21 APRIL 1975

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 1.56 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Keeffe) took the Chair.

2. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman presented a draft report for the Committee’s consideration. On the motion of Senator Sheil, the draft report was agreed to without amendment.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.58 p.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Sena­ tors Keeffe, Bunton, McLaren and Sheil (4). J. B. KEEFFE Chairman

THE SENATE

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