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The Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia

Senate Estimates Committees A, B, C, D, E and F

Reports to the Senate on Departmental Estimates for Year 1990-91 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for 1989-90

Australian Govemment Publishing Service Canberra

©Commonwealth of Australia 1991 ISBN 0 644 14918 3

Printed in Australia by P. J. GRILLS, Commonwealth Government Printer, Canberra

CONTENTS PAGE

1. Resolution of the Senate ................................. . v

2. Estimates Committee Groups .............................. . v

3. Membership of Committees VI

4. Estimates Committee A

Report . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1

Erratum . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7

Reservations to the report . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14

Unanswered questions as at 29 October 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21

Hansard - Index to issues raised in public hearings . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23

Minutes of Proceedings Tuesday, 11 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 73

Tuesday, 18 September 1990 (2 meetings) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 76

Thursday, 20 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 81

Friday, 21 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 83

Tuesday, 25 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 86

Wednesday, 3 October 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 90

Friday, 12 October 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 95

Wednesday, 17 October 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 97

Monday, 5 November 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 99

Tuesday, 6 November 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100

5. Estimates Committee B

Report . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 101

Reservations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 107

Documents tabled during Public Hearings of provided with additional information . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 113

Minutes of Proceedings . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 115

Tuesday, 11 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 117

Tuesday, 18 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 120

Friday, 21 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 127

Tuesday, 16 October 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 131

Hansard - Index to issues raised in public hearings . . . . . . . . . . . . . 133

Unanswered questions . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 143

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6. Estimates Committee C

Report . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 153

Hansard - Index to issues raised in public hearings . . . . . . . . . . . . . 163

Minutes of Proceedings . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 171

Tuesday, 11 September 1990 (2 meetings) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 173

Tuesday, 18 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 177

Thursday, 20 September 1990 (3 meetings) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 181

Friday, 21 September 1990 (3 meetings) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 188

Tuesday, 25 September 1990 (2 meetings) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 192

Friday, 12 October 1990 (2 meetings) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 196

Wednesday, 17 October 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200

Reservations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 201

Corrigendum to Explanatory Notes 1990-91 for Social Security . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 210

7. Estimates Committee 0

Report . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 215

Unanswered questions as at 16 October 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 221

Reservations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 230

Hansard - Index to issues raised in public hearings . . . . . . . . . . . . . 235

Minutes of Proceedings Tuesday, 11 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 242

Thursday, 13 September 1990 (2 meetings) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 243

Thursday, 20 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 249

Tuesday, 16 October 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 253

8. Estimates Committee E

Report . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 255

Questions on Notice . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 262

Reservations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 266

Hansard - Index to issues raised in public hearings . . . . . . . . . . . . . 281

Minutes of Proceedings . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 291

Thursday, l3 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 293

Thursday, 20 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 296

Tuesday, 16 October 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300

9. Estimates Committee F

Report . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 301

Reservations .......... . ........................... _ . . . 311

Minutes of Proceedings . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 319

Thursday, 13 September 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 321

Tuesday, 16 October 1990 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 328

Hansard - Index to issues raised in public hearings . . . . . . . . . . . . . 329

Unanswered Questions as at l3 September 1990 ..... . ...... _. _. . 347

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1. RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE AGREED TO ON 23 AUGUST 1990

REFERENCE OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-91 AND DEPARTMENTAL EXPENDITURE UNDER ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1989-90: The Minister for Defence (Senator Ray), pursuant to notice of motion not objected to as a formal motion, moved-

( I) That the Particulars of proposed expenditure in respect of the yem ending on 30 June 1991 in relation to the Parliamentary De partme nts, the Particulars of proposed expenditure for the service of the year ending on 30 June 1991 and the Particulars of certain proposed expenditure in respect of

the year e nding on 30 June 1991 be referred forthwith to estimates committees for examination and report. (2) That expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ended 30 June 1990 be referred to estimates committees for

examination and report prior to its consideration in committee of the whole. (3) That the committees consider Proposed expenditure and departmental expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance in estimates committee groupings agreed to by resolutions of the Senate of 9 and 10

May 1990.

( 4) That the committees report to the Senate on or before Friday, 19 October 1990.

Question put and passed.

2. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE GROUPS

EsUmates Committee A Parliament Industry, Technology and Commerce Prime Minister and Cabinet Treasury

Finance

Estimates Committee B Foreign Affairs and Trade Defence

Estimates Committee C Social Security Arts, Sport, Environment, Tourism and Territories Community Services and Health Veterans' Affairs

Estimates Committee D Adm inistrative Services Employment, Education a nd Training Immigration, Local Government

and Ethnic Affa irs

Estimates Committee E Transport and Communications Attorney General

Estimates Committee F Industrial Relations Primary Industries and Energy

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3. MEMBERSHLP OF COMMITIEES

Estimates Committee A

Senator Bishop Senator Burns Senator Childs (Chairman) Senator O'Chee Senator Short Senator Walsh

Estimates Committee B

Senator Coates (Chairman) Senator Devereux Senator Hill Senator Newman Senator Olsen Senator Schacht Senator Durack*

* Senator Durack replaced Senator Hill for the consideration of th e estimates of the Department of Defence

Estimates Committee C

Senator Aulich2 Senator P. Baume* Senator Crowley (Chairman/ Senator Giles1 Senator McKiernan3 Senator Patterson* Senator Reynolds (Chairman/ Senator Walters*

*Senators M. Baume, Campbell, and Herron replaced Senators P. Baume , Patterson and Walters for the consideration of the estimates of the Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories.

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Discharged 20 September 1990 2

Appointed 20 September 1990 3

For the period 21 September to 10 October 1990 4

Chairman to 21 September, then from 12 October 1990 5

Chairman from 21 September to 12 October 1990

Estimates Committee D

Senator Kemp Senator Loosley Senator Maguire Senator Parer* Senator Teague Senator Zakharov (Chairman)

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* Senator Boswell replaced Senator Parer for the consideration of the estimates of the Department of Employment, Education and Training.

Estimates Committee E

Senator Cooney (Chairman) Senator Faulkner Senator Macdonald Senator Panizza Senator Vanstone Senator West

Estimates Committee F

Senator Archer Senator Beahan (Chairman) Senator Chapman Senator Crane Senator Foreman Senator Sherry

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

November 1990

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

Page

Report to the Senate

Reservations Senators Bronwyn Bishop, Bill O'Chee and Jim Short 11

Senator the Han. Peter Baume 17

Senator Brian Harradine 19

Appendix: List of questions unanswered by 29 October 1990 21

Index to Hansard of public hearings 23

Minutes of Proceedings Tuesday, 11 September 1990 73

Tuesday, 18 September 1990 77

Thursday, 20 September 1990 83

Friday, 21 September 1990 85

Tuesday, 25 September 1990 89

Wednesday, 3 October 1990 93

Friday, 12 October 1990 99

Wednesday, 17 October 1990 101

Monday. 5 November 1990 103

Tuesday, 6 November 1990 106

DEPARTMENT OF THE SENATE PAPER No. 13015 4

DATE PRESENTED

7 NOV 1990

stimates Committee A

Report to the Senate

November 1990

ERRATUM

Page 21, omit the following from the list of Questions on Notice Unanswered as at 29 October 1990 :

2. TCF Development Assistance Program

Complaints from potential applicants on criteria to qualify for (Senator Short, A494 r, 03.10 . 90)

3. Raw Materials Program

Details of two projects on hold due to "market and financial instability" (Senator Short, A494 r, 03 . 10.90)

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee A presents its report to the Senate.

Introduction

I. On 23 August 1990. the Senate referred to the Committee, for examination and report. the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the service of the year ending on 30 June 1991, the Particulars of Certain Proposed

Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1991 and the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ending on 30 June 1990 in respect of:

• Parliament

• Industry. Technology and Commerce

• Prime Minister and Cabinet (including the Office of the

Governor-General)

• Treasury

• Finance

2. The Committee has considered the estimates for the year ending 30 June 1991 and the Advance to the Minister for Finance, together with the

Departmental Explanatory Notes and has received evidence from the President of the Senate (Senator the Hon. Kerrv Sibraa), the Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce (Senator the Hon. John Button) and the Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasurer (Senator the Hon. Bob

McMullan). and officers of the departments and authorities concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropriation Bill (No. I) 1990-91 and Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1990-91. Further written explanations furnished by departments will

be presented separately.

3. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following matters which arose during consideration of the Estimates.

Issues relevant to more than one portfolio

Annual reporrs

4. The Committee made extensive use of the draft and final annual reports

supplied by most agencies whose estimates were reviewed. The Committee wishes to stress that draft annual reports supplied to estimates committees should be as complete as possible if they are to be of full value in the

accountability process. In particular, the Committee recommends that every effort be made to include lists of consultants and of grants in aid or similar payments in these drafts. Such lists should be available by the time of

estimates committee hearings as a spin-off of normal departmental record keeping.

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Assers Regisrers

5. The Committee sought information from each portfolio on progress with upgrading of assets registers. It appeared to the Committee that progress had been variable and that there was scope for improvement in this area. The Committee will pay special regard to this issue at future hearings.

Answers w questions raken on nocice at hearings

6. The Committee noted that. although a large number of questions were taken on notice at hearings, almost all questions were a nswered by 29 October 1990. Questions remaining un answered as at 29 October 1990 are listed in the Appendix. The answers to all other questions ta ken on notice have been printed in 4 volumes of additional informa tion tabled with this report.

Parliamentary Departments

Matters for further examination by the Senate

Funding of auendance of depanmenwl officers ar Labor Lawyers A nnual Conference

7. The Committee discussed the attendance at departmental expense of officers of the Department of the Senate and the Department of the Parliamen tary Library at the Labor Law)'ers Annual Conference. Some members of the Committee expressed opposition to departmental funding of attendance by staff at events organised by political parties or by bodies with political

affiliations. The Committee notes in this regard that the Labor Lawyers Association is not affiliated with the Australian Labor Party.

8. The officers before the Committee argued that the attendances in question were authorised for the purpose of improving the capacity of particular parliamentary officers to carry out their duties. Attendance by officers a t conferences organised by a wide range of interest or political organisations would be approved in similar circumstances. The Committee accepts this argument. noting at the same time the importance of both the appearance and the fact of political neutrality on the part of parliamentary officers. The Committee noted in this regard the comment of the Clerk of the Senate that officers attending such a conference do so ··as non-partisan officers and they do not lend their office to any partisan controversy or activities". 1

Damage w Fred Williams painring

9. The Committee took evidence on damage caused to a Fred Williams

painting in the Parliamentary Collection during a social function in

Parliament House on the night of 21 /22 August 1990. The function room had been booked by the Treasurer's office. The Committee noted that the Joint House Department has been unable to identify the person or persons responsible for the damage and has served a claim on the Department of the Treasury for the cost of $250 incurred in cleaning and repairing the

painting. The conservator who cleaned and repaired the painting reported that there was "no apparent loss or damage to the paint media" but the

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Hansa rd. 11 September 1990, p. A 18.

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Secretary to the Joint House department told the Committee "there can be no guarantees given as to the long term damage. as to any future

deterioration" .2 The Committee considers that the Joint House Department should strengthen its security arrangements for large functions he ld in Parliament House.

Other mauers

10. The Committee examined other issues including:

• discontinuation of funding of the Citizenships Visits Program;

• the Office of Parliamentary Education;

• televised broadcast of the Senate Question Time;

• cancellation of the proposed Library seminar on the south-east forests;

• representation of non-members of unions in industrial democracy fora.

II . The Committee recommends that matters raised in this report in relation to the parliamentary departments and all questions taken on notice by witnesses at the Committee's hearings and not answered by 29 October 1990, as listed in the Appendix, be subject to further examination by the Senate.

12 . The Committee recommends that the Senate approve, without amendment or request, expenditure in accordance with the estimates considered by the Committee.

Industry, Technology and Commerce Portfolio

MFP Joint Secretariat Pty Ltd

13 . The Committee was informed that officers of the Department of Industry. Technology and Commerce had been directors of a company. MFP Joint Secretariat Pty Ltd. The Government and some government business enterprises had provided funding through the company for a feasibility study of the proposal for establishment of a multifunction polis in Australia. Other

funding (comprising most of the funding of the project) had been supplied by the private sectors in Australia and Japan and the Japanese Governme nt. Officers told the Committee that the company form had been used to

"overcome certain red tape problems if it was an area of the bureaucracy'' and because "one does not employ appropriate people wit h the skills and abilities that we were seeking or that were required under public sector pay scales''.3

14. Special circumstances clearly existed in this case in that the company dealt with funds provided by two governments and the corporate sectors in both countries. However, the Committee was concerned at the accountability implications of the use by a Commonwealth department of the proprietary company form of organisation. The Committee notes that the Senate

Standing Committee on Finance and Public Administration recommended in November 1989 that no government company be incorporated so as to be

Hansard, 20 September 1990. p. A204: Addicional Informacion . Vol.l, p. 135. ·' Hansard, 18 September 1990. pp. Al41. A144.

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eligible for exempt proprietary status but that the Government has not yet responded to the Committee's report. The Department's use of the

proprietary company structure in this case might best be reviewed when the Government response to the Standing Committee's report is available.

Outcome of che Offsets Program in 1989-90

15 . The Committee questioned the Minister and officers on the operations of the offsets program in 1989-90. The Committee acknowledges the difficulty faced by the department in compiling data for the annual report from survey forms. Nevertheless. the Committee was concerned at the amount and type of information omitted from the draft annual report of the program available at the time of the hearings. It should be noted in this regard that failure by the Committee Secretariat to distribute copies of the draft to members 1n advance of the relevant hearing reduced the time available for members to examine the draft. The Committee was also concerned at the paucity of

reporting on the outcome of the offsets program during the year in the

Explanatory Notes and other documents available to the Committee.

Managemenc of research and development obligations under the Offsets Program

16. The Committee noted that research and development obligations under the Offsets Program have been reported by the Department in different ways. In some cases. obligations have been reported in the form of yearly targets. In other cases cumulative targets for a seven year period were reported while other targets were expressed in respect of a cumulative outcome by a

specified year. The Committee considers that the use of different reporting approaches should be more clearly explained and justified in the annual report of the Offsets Program. The Committee also questioned officers on several other aspects of the management of research and development obligations.

Parcicipacion in Oztech Exhibicion

17. The Committee was informed that the Department of Industry. Technology and Commerce had entered into arrangements for part sponsorship of an information technology exhibition to be held in Canberra in July 1991. Austrade had separately agreed to be a part sponsor of the exhibition. The Committee was told that the exhibition is intended to display the capacity of the indigenous information technology industries in Australia and also to highlight activities and achievements under the partnership for development program.

18 . The Committee was informed that the Commonwealth sponsorship of the exh ibition totalled S75.000. that tenders had not been called for the task of conference organising and that the Commonwealth contribution has already been paid to the conference organisers. The extent of funding by Austrade appears to be at the high end of costs usually incurred by that agency for exhibitions of this type. The conduct of the exhibition in Canberra makes it

likely that most of the resulting sales will be to Australian Government agencies.

" Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Public Administration. Government Companies and their Reporting Requirements. Parliamentary Paper 39811989.

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19 . The Committee notes that the concept for the exhibition was suggested by the organisation with which the Department and Austrade entered into contracts. The Department claimed that it was not appropriate for tenders to be called because proprietary rights to the idea were involved. However, the Committee believes that there should be a process of evaluation before contracts of this type are entered into. It was not clear from the Committee's

hearings whether the costs and benefits of the Commonwealth involvement in the exhibition had been fully evaluated in advance of the decision to participate.

Prosecution of Midford Paramount Pty Ltd

20. The Committee examined officers of the Department and of the Australian Customs Service on the prosecution of Midford Paramount Pty Ltd. The prosecution failed inter alia because the actions by Midford which were the subject of the case were found to be lawful under an agreement entered into

by a previous Australian Government. Knowledge of the agreement came to light at a late stage in the action through d iscovery by Midford of cabinet documents. The Committee was also informed th at actions by Austra li a n Customs officers in obtaining documents in Malaysia relating to the Midford case were the subject of legal action in that country.

21. The failure of the Department and the Customs Service to become aware of the agreement covering Mid ford's action until a very late stage in the action appears to reflect on the ma nagement of the Department and on liaison between the two agencies. However, the Committee notes in this regard that the records of the agreement related to a period a pproximately fifteen years ago.

Other matters

22. The Committee examined other issues including:

• state of the automotive industry;

• cost of consultants; ·

• decision not to proceed with the appointment of Dr Bell to head

cooperative research project.

23. The Committee recommends that matters raised in this report in relation to the Industry, Technology and Commerce Portfolio and all questions taken on notice by witnesses at the Committee's hearings and not answered by 29 October 1990, as listed in the Appendix, be subject to further examination by the Senate.

24. The Committee recommends that the Senate approve, without amendment or request, expenditure in accordance with the estimates considered by the Committee.

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Prime Minister and Cabinet Portfolio

Office of the Governor-General

Conservation and refurbishment of Government House

25. The Committee considered the estimated cost of conservation and

refurbishment of Government House during 1990-91 and received details of proposed conservation and renovation work. The Committee noted that the proposals are part of a program for the restoration of Government House developed by the Official Establishments Trust. The Committee noted that the estimated cost of work on the dining and drawing rooms is $395.000.

Restoration of Marine Barracks: Admiralty House

26. The Committee also examined the proposal to spend $250,000 on restoration of the Marine Barracks at Admiralty House although no arrangements have been made for the future use of the building.

Relocation of staff of the Office of the Governor-General

27. The Committee also examined the relocation of the Honours secretariat and other staff of the Office of the Governor- General.

Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet

28. The following matters were among those examined by the Committee

• general increase in expenditure within most sections of the portfolio:

• the Commonwealth contribution to the Olympic Games bid:

• role, operations and cost of the Office of Multicultural Affairs (OMA), including:

OMA grants program; performance indicators; use of consultants: OMA 's relationship with FECCA; OMA 's involvement in a proposed Hypothecicals, television program

• grants issued by Office of Status of Women;

• Register of Women administered by the Office of the Status of

Women;

• Commonwealth/State Relations Secretariat;

• advice provided to the Prime Minister by the Department regarding Chinese students;

• advice provided to the Prime Minister by the Department regarding ELICOS students;

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advice provided to the Prime Minister supporting the creation of a trust fund for the proceeds of government asset sales to be used for public infrastructure;

termination of appointment of Ron Brown as Secretary of DILGEA;

29 . The Committee recommends that matters raised in this report in relation to the Prime Minister and Cabinet Portfolio and all questions taken on notice by witnesses at the Committee's hearings and not answered by 29 October 1990, as listed in the Appendix, be subject to further examination by the Senate.

30. The Committee recommends that the Senate approve. without amendment or request, expenditure in accordance with the estimates considered by the Committee.

Treasury

31 . The following matters were among those examined by the Committee:

• possible prior knowledge of the announcement of the Government's changed monetary policy stance on 23 January 1990;

• timing of Treasury knowledge of the likely closure of Pyramid Building Society;

• Purchase of the State Bank of Victoria by the Commonwea lth Bank;

• economic/budget forecasts. including inflation. o il prices,

unemployment figures;

• Australian contribution to the European Bank for Reconstruction;

• role of Structural Adjustment Committee;

• Treasury/ Australian Taxation Office analysis/research into consumption tax:

• role of the Prices Surveillance Authority on the oil price freeze.

32. The Committee recommends that matters raised in this report in relation to the Treasury Portfolio and all questions taken on notice by witnesses at the Committee's hearings and not answered by 29 October 1990, as listed in the Appendix, be subject to further examination by the Senate.

33 . The Committee recommends that the Senate approve, without amendment or request, expenditure in accordance with the estimates considered by the Committee.

Department of Finance

Sale of Housing Loans Insurance Corporation (HL/C) and police investigation of leaks

34. The Committee sought information on the failure of the first attempt to sell the HLIC and and heard evidence concerning the deCi siO n to call m the Federal Police to investigate leaks of details concerning the sale which

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resulted in a raid of the office of a journalist and seizure of his personal

records. The Committee was concerned at the heavy handed nature of this action. Witnesses frequently were unable to provide substantive responses to questions either because matters raised were commercially confidential or the responsibility of the Australian Federal Police. This restricted the capacity of the Committee to review the estimates of the Assets Sales Task

Force.

Sale of Moomba -Sydney gas pipeline

35. Committee members raised questions about the Government's handling of the sale of the Moomba-Syd ney Gas Pipeline. These covered a number of issues, including the timing and handling of the tender process, effects of haulage tariff increases, and the legal status of AG L Limited's possible first right of refusal prior to putting the Pipeline to tender.

Use of Advance lO the Minister fo r Finance

36. The Committee noted that the Advance to the Minister for Finance had been used to fund payments to South Australia and Tasmania immediately after the 1990 Premiers Conference. Similar payments had been made after previous premiers conferences. The Audit Act provides for payments to be made from the advance only for requirements that are urgent and

unforeseen. Some members of the Committee questioned whether the particular payments to state governments reviewed by the Committee had been made illegally.

37. The Committee also examined the following matters:

• Commonwealth Task Force on Asset Sales: objectives of the Task Force; sale of uranium stockpile; sale of A val on airfield to AST A;

• possibility of act of grace payments to retirees disadvantaged by RBO delays:

• the schedule for introduction of the new Commonwealth

Superannuation Scheme causing disadvantage to some CSS members;

• Minister for Finance delegation to departmental secretaries to approve act of grace payments. write-off losses, etc.

38. The Committee recommends that matters raised in this report in relation to the Finance Portfolio and all questions taken on notice by witnesses at the Committee's hearings and not answered by 29 October 1990, as listed in the Appendix, be subject to further examination by the Senate.

39. The Committee recommends that the Senate approve, without amendment or request, expenditure in accordance with the estimates considered by the Committee.

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Matters relating to the Committee's review of the estimates

Allocation of porcfolios and sitting days co estimates commiuees

40. E xc luding adjournments for meal breaks. Estimates Committee A sat for 58 hours on eight sitting days during its current review of the estimates. One sitting extended from 10.08 am on Tuesday 25 September 1990 to 4.05 am the following day. The Committee understands that this is the longest

continuous si tting of an estimates committee on record. The Committee also understands that the extent and duration of its activities during this period of sittings exceeded the norm for estimates committee reviews by a

considerable margin.

41. The Committee believes that this occurred partly because it is currently allocated a large number of portfolios. Estimates Committee C is the only other Committee with responsibility for more than three portfolios and that Committee also conducted its hearings over an extended period of time. The existing al location to Estimates Committee A may be based on the

assumption that several of its portfolios may require relatively little scrutiny because of their policy orientation. This has proved not to be the case in the last three rounds of estimates scrutin y.

42. If the Committee's workload continues at the present leveL it mav be

necessary for the Senate to review the distribution of portfolios between estimates committees.

Production of Hansard transcripts

43 . The Committee noted that the Department of the Parliamentary Reporting Staff had some difficulty in producing proof Hansards immediately after some hearings. However, the Committee found that provision by the

Department of copies of the first runs of the transcript in advance of the proof copy was an acceptable remedy to this problem. The Committee thanks the Hansard staff who provided this service under what appeared to be considerable pressure.

Senator Bruce Childs Chair

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RESERVATION BY SENATORS BISHOP, O'CHEE AND SHORT

By way of reservation, we recommend that the matters discussed below and other matters affecting the questions asked by us and taken on notice be subject to further examination by the Senate.

PARLIAMENTARY DEPARTMENTS

Funding of attendance of departmental officers at Labor Lawyers Conference

The Opposition members of the Committee believe that if officers of the

Parliamentary Departments wish to attend conferences which are associated with a particular political party, such as the Labor Lawyers Association. then they should do so in their own time and at their own expense. The actions of the

Departments. in approving expenditure to send officers to such conferences, raise serious concerns about the perception of political neutrality.

We do not accept the proposition that because the Labor Lawyers Association is not formally affiliated with the Australian Labor Party that conferences of the Association are not politically partisan.

Damage to Fred Williams painting

The function sponsored by the Treasurer on budget night and held in the private dining room in Parliament House resulted in damage to an important and

valuable Fred Williams painting entitled Lerderderg Gorge which was valued prior to its being damaged at $150,000.

The damage sustained was caused by beer and food being thrown at the painting during the course of the party.

Despite the fact that the function was sponsored by the Treasurer, the person or persons responsible for this act of vandalism have not been identified. We are not satisfied that the Joint House Department has taken sufficient measures to identi fy the person or persons responsible. We recommend further investigation and a tightening of the rules relating to sponsorship by members and senators of

functions.

The Committee was informed that the cost of repair to the painting would be borne by the Department of the Treasury and, therefore, the taxpayer. We believe that the cost of repair should be met by the person or persons responsible for the damage or, if the culprit(s) cannot be identified, the Treasurer as the sponsor of

the function.

We believe that members sponsoring functions in the Parliament House must be responsible for those functions.

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DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

MFP ]oint Secretariat Pty Ltd and MFP Australia Research Pty Ltd

We are not satified that the reasons for the establishment of a company, MFP Joint Secretariat Pty Ltd . to oversight the feasibility study of the proposal for a multifunction polis in Australia were justified. The establishment of the company effectively removed MFP Joint Secretariat from parliamentary scrutiny. The

Committee heard that the company is currently in the process of being wound up after being in existence for barely eighteen months.

One of the major reasons presented for the establishment of the company was that ··one does not employ appropriate people with the skills and abilities that we were seeking or that were required under public sector pay scales." This so called limitation is false in that the Department could have employed the appropriate

person as a consultant with the necessary terms and conditions.

In addition to MFP Joint Secretariat Pty Ltd, MFP Australian Research Pty Ltd was established to handle the feasibility study input by the private sector. This company was also beyond Parliamentary scrutiny and with the conclusion of the feasibility study phase, no longer operates.

The lack of accountability to the Parliament of MFP associated companies created by the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce means that the Committee is unable to investigate the expenditure of public money by these companies in an area which is highly controversial.

Outcome of the Offsets Program in 1989-90

We are concerned that the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce could present a draft report which made claims such as "performance in the discharge of offsets obligations in the year under review has been satisfactory" and "the level of discharge exceeded the level of obligations" when the

Department could not provide the relevant figures to substantiate the claims.

In each of the relevant paragraphs in the draft report seeking to verify the success of the program no figures were provided. Instead the authors inserted an "x" indicating that the figures would be added at a later date. It appears that the

Department is in the process of finding the appropriate figures to support their conclusions. This raises serious questions as to how much credence the Parliament and the public can place on these conclusions when the report is finally

published.

Participation in Oztech Exhibition

The decision by the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce to make an advance payment of $50,000 and an advance payment by Austrade of $25,000 to National Exhibition for sponsorship of an information technology exhibition two financial years before the exhibition is of concern. We are of the view that it was not an appropriate expenditure for the Department to make and that the cost

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of the exhibition should have been borne by the exhibition organisers and the companies displaying the products. Evidence was presented that this was normally the case for exhibitions of this nature and that this advance payment was

extraordinary.

We were disturbed to hear evidence from the Assistant Secretary, Information Industries, who was the officer who approved the project, negotiated the terms of the contract and authorised this expenditure, that there was no limit on his

delegation for expenditure. He was, however, unaware of the extent of his delegation until another officer advised him in the course of the hearings. It also became apparent that the Assistant Secretary had not read the Finance

regula tions but he was " a ware of them''. This type of approach to financial

control and awareness of responsibility by senior officers of the Department o f Industry, Technology and Commerce is disturbing.

The Minister should ensure that all his officers are awa re of their delegation limits and that they are all aware of their professional and legal responsibilities as set out in the Finance Regulations.

Prosecution of Midford Paramount Pty Ltd

We believe that the actions of the Department and of the Australian Customs Service in the handling of the failed prosecution of Midford Paramount Pt y Ltd and others not only warrants further examination by the Senate but should be referred to the Joint Parliamentary Committee of Public Accounts.

The cost to the Commonwealth of the failure by the Department and the ACS to adequately fulfill their administrative responsibilities is in excess of $1 million. This does not include the full cost of legal advice and lost business to the

companies and individuals who were prosecuted.

Subsequent evidence tabled in the Senate showed that officers of the ACS had tried to induce witnesses in Malaysia to give evidence by offering to arrange residency in Australia for the Malaysian citizens concerned.

Evidence was given that a First Assistant Secretary of the Department, Dr M Fitzpatrick, had given advice to the ACS and the Director of Public Prosecutions on the terms and conditions of the arrangements that Midford Paramount had entered into and which Dr Fitzpatrick had not properly researched. Further, he signed an affidavit which was filed in the Sydney Local Court which the Court

heard contained inaccurate information which he had failed to check. Dr

Fitzpatrick's handling of this matter was such a dereliction of duty that his

evidence was described by the Magistrate as ''totally discredited".

The manner in which the Comptroller-General for the ACS. Mr Kelly gave evidence to the Committee was an insult to the Committee and to the Senate. On a matter which involved the waste of over $1 million of Commonwealth revenue, the straining of relations with Malaysia, the involvement of that country's High Court, and threatened extradition proceedings for criminal prosecution against two of his officers as well as the harsh criticism by an Australian magistrate on

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the conduct of the case Mr Kelly repeatedly told the Committee that he did not know the answer to questions. This was despite the fact that the matter had been raised in the media prior to his appearance before the Committee and his

statement to the Committee that he had come prepared to answer questions on this matter.

DEPARTMENT OF PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

Melbourne Olympic Bid

It was disappointing to note that no member from the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet was available to fully answer questions on the

Commonwealth's promise to fund S 125 m illion for the Olympics, had the City of Melbourne been successful. Such a large one-off payment was in its own right significant. Officers with knowledge of the administration and reasons for the payment should have been present at the hearings, particularly as it had also been

raised in Parliament and in the media immediately prior to Estimates Committee hearings.

DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY

State Bank of Victoria

Answers to questions on notice, and questions at the hearing by Treasury officers on matters relating to the Commonwealth Bank purchase of the State Bank of Victoria, and the Commonwealth's knowledge of the events surrounding the Pyramid Building Society collapse were gratuitous. failed to produce any real

information, and were totally unhelpful.

We are concerned that such a response from departmental officers obstruct the important democratic process of Parliamentary scrutiny of government expenditure.

DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE

Advance to the Minister for Finance

Questions asked of Departmental officers within the Departments of Finance and Treasury failed to show that recent payments to three States had not been illegally approved by the Minister for Finance.

Task Force on Asset Sales

We are concerned that the failure of proper administrative procedures used by the Task Force on asset Sales has led to considerable confusion on the sale of the Moomba-S ydney Gas pipeline and the HLIC.

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MATTERS RELATING TO THE COMMITTEE'S REVIEW OF THE ESTIMATES

Length of Committee Hearings

We note that the hearings of the Committee amounted to the longest continuous sitting of an estimates committee on record. The length of hearing was partly due to lack of preparation by some departmental officers, a reluctance by others to convey complete information and a deliberate attempt by Senator Button to

prevent officers of his Department to answer questions of the Committee. This was particularly evident in relation to the Oztech exhibition and the Midford case .

In spite of the length of hearing we recommend against any reallocation of portfolios to other Committees.

Senator Bronwy n Bishop Senator for New South Wales

Senator William O'Chee Senator for Queensland

Senator Jim Short Senator for Victoria

PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA · THE SENATE

SENATOR THE HON. PETER BAUME . MORGAN GRENFELL BUILDING. 56-70 PHILLIP STREET GPO BOX 36. SYDNEY. N.S.W 2000. FAX (02) 251 6040. TEL . (02) 277 281

6 November 1990

I recommend by way of reservation that the following matter relating to the estimates of expenditure referred to Estimates Committee "A" be further examined by the Senate:

answers given to me concerning the failure of the

Australian Government Publishing Service to respond to representations made by the Department of the Senate about certain printing costs. I might make mention of this matter in the Committee of the

Whole.

I remain

Yours sincerely

Peter Baume Senator for new South Wales

Mr Peter Hamburger Secretary Estimates Committee "A" Parliament House CANBERRA ACT 2600

Senator B. Childs, Chainnan, Estimates Committee "A", The Senate, Parliament House.

Dear Senator Childs,

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AUSTRALIAN SENATE CANBERRA . ACT

16 October 1990.

I recommend by way of Reservation that the following matters relating to the estimates of expenditure referred to Committee "A" be further examined by the Senate:-Those subjects on which I directed written or verbal questions to the Minister or officials and which have not yet been fully responded to or require further elaboration, including the following specific subject area:-Australian Taxation Office - Tax Pack.

(Senator Brian Harradine)

APPENDIX

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QUESTIONS ON NOTICE UNANSWERED AS AT 29 OCTOBER 1990

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

Program 1 - Industry Policy and Development Subprogram 1.1 : Light Industries

I. Special A rrangement for Midford

Evidence of special arrangement made for Midford (Senator Bi shop. A654 r - A655 I. 12.10.90)

TCF Development Assistance Program

Complaints from potential appli cants o n criteria to qualify for (Senator Short. A494 r. 03. 10.90)

3. Raw MaLerials Progra m

Deta il s of two projects on hold due to "market a nd financial instability" (Senator Short. A494 r. 03.10.90)

Subprogram 1.5 : Corporate Services

4. Auditor-General ·s Report No. 32

Deficiencies in the handling of accounts and records (Senator Short, A474 I - A475 r, 03.10.90)

Su bprogram 1.6 : Policy Coordination

5. Science Policy Coordination

(a) Demarcation of duties between DIT AC and PM&C;

(b) Differences in aims and objectives of science policy coordination groups in the two portfolios. (Senator Short. A621 r - A622 L 12.10.90)

Program 2 - Australian Customs Service Sub program 2.7 : Investigations

6. Midford Paramount case

(a) Records of payment of plane fares for investigation officers to leave Malaysia (Senator Bishop. A628 r, 12.10.90)

(b) Stay of order to allow Australia n Government an opportunity to appeal against crimina l proceedings (Senator Bi shop, A638 L 12 . 10 .90)

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Program 3 - A ustrade Subprogram 3.5 : Export Finance and Insurance

7. Legal action relating to catamarans

Legal action against Mr Eliadakis to recover money lent for the purpose of

construction of catamarans (Senator Bishop. A696 r, 17.10.90)

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

Program 2 - Financial System Subprogram 2.1: Financial Sector Policy and Administration

8. Insurance and Superannuation Commission

(a) Access to ISC data by people outside the Commission

(b) Access to tax file numbers on Australian Tax Office database by the ISC or people outside the ATO. Senator Short, A5881, 03.1 0.90)

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D HANSARD INDEX

Tuesday, 11 September 1990

Subject

Chairman's Opening Statement

PARLIAMENT

Department of the Senate

General Statement by the President Citizenship Program

Department of the Senate responses to Questions derived from Annual Report 1989-90 by Senator P. Baume Annual Report 1989-90 BOMMS (Buildings, operations and maintenance systems) NOMAD system New PC monitors for personnel section Labor Lawyers Conference

attendance of Senate officers relationship to committee inquiries

payment of fee for comparison with Auditor-General report on PISO discussion with committee about future attendance of Senate officers accountability of attendees

reports on expertise of officers attending preparation of papers for Performance Indicators Advance to the President of the Senate

Program 1 - Principal Advisers salaries of principal officers duties of the Deputy-Clerk selection criteria for the position of Deputy-Clerk

Program 2 - Table Office procedural advice to Senators office structures review report AGPS printing charges

electronic transfer of text cost of printing parliamentary papers increase in AGPS charges for Journals and Notice Papers action taken by the Senate

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proportion of work provided by the Senate to AGPS Labor Lawyers Conference . amendments to previous evidence previous attendance of officers at

Program line item covering funds for '"political tainting·· of educational programs Blood on the Wallie purpose of conference members of request for funding assistance for Citizenship Visits Program

letter from President and Speaker to Ministers Willis and D awkins in relation to letter from Minister letter from Mr Willis to President in relation to PISO

Program 3 - Procedure Office

Subprogram 3.4 : Parliamentary Education Office '"Publications/Audio Visual"

Program 2 - Table Office performance indicators Questions on Notice - Senator Bishop: ANOP Questions on Notice - Senator O'Chee:

Labor Lawyers Conference

Program 3 - Procedure Office

Subprogram 3.4 : Parliamentary Education Office performance indicators assessment of quality of performance establishment of advisory committee concerning

Parliamentary Education Office

Program 5 - Management Office 40150 laser printer 50/90 printer replacement of 10/90 printer

Department of the Parliamentary Library

General Statement by the President Seminar on South-East Forests cancellation of Labor Lawyers Conference

PISO

attendance of Library officers

transfer to Department of Parliamentary Reporting Staff corporate plan Audit Report No.5: PISO

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Records of location of computing equipment Vacancy: Librarian Class 5 Inoperative staff in serial subsection MICAH

instability in professional staffing

Program 2 - Research Service strategies to enhance individual and group productivity performance parameters means of evaluating timeliness of service Li brary AOP specific equipment

provision of additional sum for NOMAD System schedule for commencement of operation Corporate planning and organisation development project

Rationa lisation of Corporate Services

Tuesday 18 September 1990

Subject

DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

Office of the Governor-General Relocation of the Honours Secretariat reason for cost of rent for commercial property after relocation

Black Mountain Cottage, present use present location of staff Use of visitors accommodation in Government House Conservation and refurbishment work at Government House and Admiralty House

restoration of marine barracks consultants ""conservation'.' report on Government House: Allom Lovell and Associates Pty Ltd

recommendation by Official Establishments Trust of matters advised on by engagement of engineers to assess structural damage Admiralty House Marine Barracks

restoration of by Australian Construction Services Official Secretary's cottage Administrative expenses Volunteer workers

nature of work done by Efficiency dividend Marine Barracks reason for refurbishment

use of by National Maritime Museum ongoing maintenance bill for

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custodial people and security for 95

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

Program 1 - Industry Policy and De ve lopment

Subprogram 1.1 : Industry Development Automotive Industry A uthority (AlA) pricing, quality and profitability of direction in investment and expenditure of Automotive Industry

success of effect of interest and inflation rates on protection for Industries Commission inquiry into tariff levels in one-off subsidy to effect of w holesale sales tax on luxury cars Car plan

Reasons for no submission to Industry Commission inquiry from AlA Industry Commission paper on car industry, 10 July Mr Krafcik. consu ltant Mr Owens, consultant, Strategy points for achieving objectives for the car industry Textiles, Clothing and Footwear Development Authority

Australian Manufacturing Council (AMC) Pappas Carter report

overhaul of AMC's structure to become more issues orientated Holt Public Relations reports produced by AMC in last 12 months Hay Group Pt y Ltd consultancy review of roles of offices within the AMC secretariat nature and reason for staff reappraisal Chandler and MacLeod Consultancy

training seminars, November 1989 Towers Perrin Foster and Crosby Consultancy labour turnover studv Pappas Carter report - training packages

for Trade U nion T raini.ng Authority (TUT A) for other educa tional institutions source of initiative for TUT A package National Institute of Economic a nd Industry Research Pt y Ltd

consultancy

Subprogram 1.7 : Commission for the Future decision to replace staff of current staff arrangements

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promotion of 3 major areas of Commission' s program Asia Development Bank consultancy 21 C Magazine Radkene Pty Ltd consultancy Anzac Pty Ltd consultancy Congress of the Australian and New Zealand Association for the

Advancement of Science (ANZAAS) session on "Action for sustainable development" : reason for not attending Greenhouse Action Australia ( G AA)

negotiations between ANZAAS and Commission on coordination of seminar Commission ·s role as consultant for U N Development Program. UN Environment Program, Asia Development Bank and ESCAP

Subprogram 1.9 : Australian Institute of Marine Science research into coastal and continental shelf regions of tropical Australia Development of sunscreen with ICI Resea rch for technological and commercial applications Partnerships with overseas research institutes Consultative Group of Marine Industry Science and Technology Mangrove research Increase in applied research

efficiency dividend

Subprogram 1.10 : National Standards Commission legislative program for Industry and government regulation Uniform trade measurements External consultancies

housing area amount spent in last 12 months on cost-benefit analyses Ernst and Whinney consultancy

Coz magazine

Professional Public Relations Canberra Pty Ltd consultancy campaign promoting visit of representative from Canadian Department of Industry, Scie nce and T echnology Ernst and Young consultancy

audits of companies participating in the partnership program Fulfilment of offset obligations Boeing agreement Multifunction polis (MFP)

MFP Joint Secretariat Pty Ltd oversight of feasibility study undertaken by Joint Steering Committee provision of funds for

proportion of funding from Government Business Enterprises (GBE) directors of

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origin of idea to establish company 144

discussions with Attorney-General's Department 144

reason for establishing company 144

appointment of Chief Executive 145

particulars of 145

rental allowance for 146

number of staff employed 146

Feasibility study 147

Subject

contract let to Arthur Andersen for 14 7

operation of company via trust account 148

Arthur Andersen Kinhill report 148

date company set up 148

date contract with Arthur Andersens entered into 148

date tenders called 148

n urn ber of tenders received 148

date successful tenderer advised 149

:1mount paid into trust account 149

:1rrangement between company and Japan for provision of funds 149 MITI handling of Japanese monies 150

cost of furniture and fit-out for Sydney office 150

location of Sydney office 151

period of Chief Executive·s tenure 151

signatories on the trust :1ccount 151

salary of the Chief Executive 152

MFP Australia Research Ltd 152

proposed studies on MFP in 1990-91 153

total Commonwealth expenditure on MFP in 1991 153

money appropriated for increase in salaries 153

reason for winding up MFP Joint Secretariat Pty Ltd 154

payment to trust account funding for further analysis for the MFP

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PARLIAMENTARY DEPARTMENTS

Department of the Parliamentary Reporting Staff

Statement by Deputy President

Program 1 - Hansard rate of changes to use of machines vs shorthand notebooks incident of reporter slipping Restructuring arrangements

House si tting :1llowance

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Computers purchased

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Obligation to use AGPS, methods and costs Australian Government Printing Service (AG PS) Staff shortages salaries of staff

comparison with State reporters' salaries Benefit from acquisition of new technology Number of Estimates Committees si tting simultaneously rea on for restrictions Delivery of transcripts Booth Staff. qualifications and number

umber of days reporters not used Hansard Reporter salaries

Program 2 - lnformaLion Systems further review of Information Technology Joint Review Council current staffing arrangements in Computers and Communications Branch

planning unit performance monitoring payment to the Senate for provision of security systems for Parliament House changes in program structure Sound and Vision Office

trial of communications between Parliament House and electorate offices second generation work stations BOMMS system Assets register Computer Power

prime contract management service moneys transferred to Computer Power account actions taken to enhance administration procedures and appropriate scrutiny and accountability

nature of contract between PISO and Computer Power Electronic Mail System Mobile phones appropriations for rentals and charges

Representation of officers at Estimates Historical Hansards system to provide access to

Program 3 - Sound and Vision Systems Second PC terminals for Parliament House offices Televising of Parliament Guidelines for broadcasting

authorisation of close of broadcasting, timing of

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re-broadcast of Question Time in-House use of tapes of Question Time copyright on tape suggested amendment to Parliamentary Broadcasting Act Joint Committee on the Broadcasting of Parliamentary

Proceedings requests for use of excerpts from Question Time by commercial stations guidelines for use of excerpts by commercial stations Senate order concerning television broadcasts In-House broadcasting viewing audience of broadcast radio broadcasting of Parliament

Program 4 - Corporate Management Industrial democracy and equal employment opportunity Number of people employed in section Recommendations from ANAO that require further action Heydon report

review of operations of Department P.K. MacGregor and Associates consultancy selection of word-processing software Harris Van Meegen Consultants Pty Ltd

staff selection

Mr D.C. Lawrence member of selection panel for Sound and Vision office Program Performance - measurement of Corporate Plan

Joint House Department

Statement by the Deputy President

Program I - Property management Interchurch Trade and Industry Mission provision of counselling and support services Identification of building and construction defects Parliament House Construction Authority Appointment of Mr Christie Acceptance of responsibility for defects Renovations to Members' Dining Room

Wooden Venetian Blinds Light Globes Australian alternative to imported variety cost difference between imported and Australian types New kitchen facilities

decentralisation of kitchen services

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Senate suites cost of fit out of new suites Bookshop - extensions to Air-conditioning system

complaints about smoke smells

Program 2 - Commercial Services

Subprogram 2.2 : Public Relations Fred Williams painting value of prior to vandalisation nature of damage to

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action taken to identify culprit booking of priva te dining room sponsorship by Member or Senator responsibility for conduct of event "'sponsor": definition of

liability for payment of bill hiring out of private dining room to outside organisations report from Security Controller number of people present at function presence of security personnel alleged fighting incident further action to be taken to identify culprit Tom Roberts painting

action taken to repair problem with Barton and Fisher portraits restoration work on Theatrette

alterations to screen and sound equipment Catering Service losses and breakages

Friday 21 September 1990

Subject

DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

General Statement by the Minister Increase in estimates for establishment of Commonwealth-State Relations Secretariat

expansion of Office of the Chief Scientist Public Service Commission training initiative middle management development initiative Inter-departmental Committee on Olympic Games bid Trust fund for proceeds of government asset sales

Freedom of Information (FOI)

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procedures for releasing documents refusal to release documents already tabled in Parliament division responsible for authorising release of documents criteria set for release of documents Destruction of Archival material

responsibility for criteria for Australian Archives manual top secret documents Destruction of documents on Soviet tactics etc. dated 1948- 1950 Future destruction of documents ·· Princess of Wales·· bust Australian Bicentennial Authority (ABA)

Robert LeTicq Pty Ltd Relationship between ABA and Department Burson and Marstellier Pt y Ltd Consultancy launch and marketing of nationa l agenda for

multicultural Australia proposal for "' H ypotheticals" program length of time spent on program Datascape Pty Ltd consultancy

Multicultural Australia Information Service (MAIS) "' Hypotheticals" program

source of initiative for input into nature of involvement of Office of Multicultural Affairs (OMA) appropriateness of

legal system for a culturally diverse Australia, examination of Labor Party special conference preparation of briefing for

preparation of paper for ACTU preparation of papers for outside bodies IDC on Olympic Games bid chair of

representation on decision to establish dates on which committee met composition of committee Commonwealth contribution to the Albert Park complex

limit of financial exposure to timing of decision to provide money terms of reference for roc PM announcement at Australian Open PM reference to in Parliament

Program 1 - Departmental Policy Advising

Subprogram 1.1 : General Policy International Division

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preparation of briefings on immigration and refugee issues Chinese students status before 20 June 1989 of issues covered in periodic briefing papers on

input into PM's speech on lobbyi ng by Mo nitoring of public concern and attitudes Liaison with Office of Multicultural Affairs Meeting between relevant divisions of PM&C prior to PM's first announcement on Chinese students

ELI COS

submissions on matter of Chinese students to PM establishment of !DC on interdepartmental discussions on ELICOS, IDC on policy advice to PM on implications on other refugee groups of decision

advice on ability of overseas students to meet fees and living expenses source of information on students breaching terms of visas !DC on rates of overstay

Departments on concerns on capacity of ELICOS to pay fees raised at ELICOS Scheme monitoring of

students working in excess of visa restrictions involvement of OMA in !DC on community concerns about students working at lower rates

Program 1 - Departmental Policy Advising Department of Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs (DILGEA) Mr Harris and Mr Brown

representations from ethnic community re performance of Canberra Bulletin of Public Administration: article on involvement of PM&C in discussions on termination of contract of Section 76E of Public Service Act

initiation of Public Service disquiet on circumstances of termination of contract of

Program 3 - Special Secwral Support

Subprogram 3.1 : Office of Multicultural Affairs (OMA) promotion of community awareness of multicultural policy objectives Newsletter: Focus distribution to community organisations of

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length of time promoting multicultural policy objectives within schools means of determining success of promotion Liaison between regional coordinators and community organisations Consultancies

sections of OMA

Miss E. Hill, United Trades and Labour Council Consultancy research on immigrant workers' rights and industry restructuring Community Relations Strategy Broadcasting traineeships

appropriation for SBS and ABC receipt of payments from DILGEA Criteria used to assess satisfactory nature of proposal Proposed Multicultural Act

terms of reference of Advisory Council of Multicultural Affairs positive discrimination "'Multicultural Policies and Programs" document Increase in estimates for OMA

reasons for

National Agenda administration of commitments by OMA and DILGEA Increase in staffing Australian Financial Review: article

viewing of Cabinet submissions by OMA Bureau of Immigration Research relations with OMA Federation of Ethnic Communities Council of Australia (FECCA)

funding from OMA to funding from DJLGEA for location of funding figure in PM&C's Annual Report for Assessment of community reactions to decisions made

mechanisms for Advisory Council on Multicultural Affairs Relationship between OMA and FECCA Law Reform Commission

inquiry into accommodating people from non-Anglo-Saxon legal background within existing legal system "Multicultural Policies and Programs" docu ment National Agenda for Multicultural Australia - the Year in Review

release date of

Program 1 - Departmental Policy Advising

Subprogram 1.1 : General Policy Social Policy Division Social Justice Research Program

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reason for increase in spending on Commonwealth-State steering committee Commonwealth-State relations secretariat number of PM&C people involved in

expected duration of cost of Premiers Conferences restriction of attendance at

measures to minimise prospect of becoming "talk-fests'' Commonwealth-State relations secretariat grad ing of staff for location of

briefings given to preparation of papers by involvement of EPAC with role in Premiers Conference of Centre for Research on Federal Financial Relations, ANU

funding by Commonwealth and States to role of Federal Government in commissioning research by relationship between Federal Government and 1990 Premiers Conference knowledge of special payments to W A. SA and T asmania receipt of correspondence in relation to SA payment

Subprogram 1.2 : Science Policy Prime Minister's Science Council The Steering Committee for the Constitutional Convention Parliamentary representatives on

Program 2 - Governmenc Support Services

Subprogram 2.1 : Machinery of Government VIP planes cost of official overseas visits by PM requirement of PM's approval for use of approval of Treasurer's use of

Subprogram 2.2 : Support Services spending on official establishments spending on security work Cost of operation of the Lodge and Kirribilli House

Kirribilli House number of days spent by guests at number of people who have stayed at number of days spent by PM at number of private guests of PM and duration of stay at List of Questions on Notice - Program 1.2 : Science Policy Lodge driveway - resurfacing

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Maintenance and conservation work for the Lodge List of Questions on Notice - Program 3.2: Office of the Status of Women Official Visits

number of Chinese ministerial visits payment by government for whole party conditions of other ministerial visits

Program 3 - Special Sectoral Suppon

Subprogram 3.2 : Office of the Status of Women consultancies and grants-in-aid Social Change Media principals of Economic Planning Advisory Council (EPAC)

role in Federal-State relations major research or work priorities of reasons for increase in appropriations for number of meetings resources for

Program 7 - Public Adminisuacion and Accountabilicy

Subprogram 7.1 : Public Service Commission

Subject

period of existence of relationship with Department of Finance role of

placement of displaced senior executives number of displaced Federal public servants level of cost of Senior Executive Service (SES) payout packages composition of payouts distinction a t organisational level between SES and non-SES

Tuesday 25 September 1990

DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE

General Computer installations risk management in centralised site within the ACT for

alternative sites in other capitals Report 296 - Joint Public Accounts Committee progress towards developing guidelines for structure of a financial administration Act

overseas models used when drafting guidelines Financial Management Improvement Program (FMIP)

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H of R Standing Committee on Finance and Public Administration report - Not Dollars Alone: Review of FMIP comments on modifying of acceptance amongst agencies and departments of philosophy of Australian National University (ANU) Public Policy Program

address by John Nethercote relationship with Auditor-General's role Risk management responsibility for

accountability

Standards of Accountability difference between private and public sectors distinction between managing and administrating resources Formation of proprietary companies:DIT AC Aspect Computing Pty Ltd consultancy

Cabinet documents system, involvement in hardware used Prepa ration of material for new superannuation scheme BrightView program

Consultancy fee for reason for Purchase of Information Technology (IT) cost-benefit analysis of

financial tools used in evaluation for

Breakdown of money spent on IT purchases Oversight of IT purchases purchases subject to offsets provisions Requirement of formation of Acquisition Council for IT purchases

draft manual on cost-benefit analysis Internal Audits

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widening focus of

Parliamentary Education Office

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transfer of funding obligations Advance to the Minister for Finance (AMF) oversight of correct use of Public Accounts Committee Report No.289

guidelines on terms " urgent" and "unforeseen" definitions of terms "urgent" and "unforeseen" advice fro m Attorney-General payment to SA for water treatment

reason for being "urgent'' and "unforeseen" Premiers Conference negotiations on payments at Application from Treasury for AMF

reason payment not included in Budget appropriations steps taken by Department to satisfy themselves that payment was legal

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approval of payment legal advice on SA payments sought statement on SA payments by Premier Bannon method of accounting for allocation of funds system of monitoring use by States of similar payments

payment to Tasmania for "restructuring" Public Service date submission was received for date Cabinet made decision on payment other States requests for similar funding

payment not incorporated in funds distributed at Premiers Conference capital grant vs recurrent payment: consideration of Commonwealth Grants Commission, assessment of capital payments

payment to W A for transport improvement communication of 3 AMF payments to other State Premiers steps taken to ascertain whether matters were '"urgent" and .. unforeseen" evidence of action taken Advance notice of issues to be raised at Estimates

unavailability of officers dissatisfaction with unavai lability of appropriate officers ··competent Authority" definition of Supporting documentation for use of AMF

Program 1 - Budget Development and i\Janagement

Subprogram 1.2 : Oversight a nd Evaluation Funding arrangements for Australian Electoral Commission availability of supplementary rolls mechanisms for prompt resolution of disputes Forward Estimates

responsibility of Department of Finance for difference between old and new arrangements forwarding of new policy proposals termination of old policies method of evaluation of programs evaluation of application of resources

method of assessment of over-resources area improvement of monitoring and scrutiny of expenditure Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (OF AT) funding for lJNIDO

failure to have proper acquittal procedures for allowances, role of Dept. of Finance justification for payments complaints about matter from Auditor

responsibility of the OF AT method of dealing with improprieties in the acquittal of funds

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oversighting role of Dept. of Finance of acquittal of funds follow-up to Auditor-General's report

risk analysis by country consideration of appropriate insurance principles methods used to assess effectiveness of Financial Analysis

effect of Loan Council arrangements on G BE borrowings. esp. QANTAS . "GBE'": definition of criteria for

privatisation of QANT AS: implications for borrowing constraints Australian Airlines offsets Commonwealth Bank

privatisation of: effects of FSRP subject to DESINE contract hardware, software and maintenance proposals Department of Administrative Services (DAS) and

Department of Defence involvement in resolving problems with DESINE Australian Customs Service computer upgrade and systems development Austrade-EFIC commercial account

contribution to

International Wool Secretariat switch in wool-marketing strategy funding of scheme prior to Government guarantees on borrowings

information from examination of issues by ABARE conclusions of position of Australian Wool Corporation in the wool market ACT Self-Government

progress of financial matters associated with Micro-economic reform agenda identification of further areas for examination Industry Commission

interaction with involvement with TCF and passenger vehicle plans involvement in cost calculation of protection re p lans Aerospace Technologies of Australia Pty Ltd involvement in commercial operations of Role in monitoring offsets

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Program 5 - Specific Payments and Receipts Activity

Subprogram 5.3 - Commonwealth Task Force on Asset Sales progress of program of asset sales AST A/Avalon deal handling of Defence assets of Bankstown and

South Kensington assessment of types of assets to be sold by procedure for determining projects for possible asset sales mechanisms for consultation wi th other departments and agencies by mechanism for formal input into work of support fro m interdepartmental committee for

input by Dept. into sales means of identifying target for sale that are initiated by nature of Housing Loans Insurance Corporation

date of announcement of sale bidders for reason bidders pulled out John Trowbridge consultancy: preparation of audit report

purpose of seeking ass ist ance from means of valuing assets distribution of Trowbridge report date of distribution Australian Financial Review article

number of articles written by Mr Ian Rogers prejudicial nature of reports re sale process accuracy of reports raid by Australian Federal Police (AFP) referral of matter to preparation of briefing material on breach of Crimes Act date matter referred to AFP responsibility for compiling list of items included in warrant warrant issued by items listed in discussions with AFP

briefing with list of companies to be included precedent for action taken requirement for bond put up by bidders amount covered by bond forfeiture of bond receipt of bond in cash form record of bonds provided present status of bonds origin of suggestion for inclusion of Mr Bartlett on

Warrant list number of people in management at HLIC

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grounds for believing there to have been breach of Crimes Act leaking of commercial-in-confidence information identification of source of leak knowledge of source of leak report from AFP to Task Force return of bonds to companies prosecution to ensue as result of raid ability of AFP to take action foundation for valuing asset: Trowbridge report failure of sales as result of newspaper articles disclosure of terms of contract. ie value of sale

penalty for author of newspaper article factors examined in consultation process normal practice involving asset sales joint venture to purchase government asset consultation with Task Force re privatisation of QANT AS

va luation reports on assets for sale selling of minority interest: effect on premium of control

conclusion of sale reason for failure of first attempt to sell Moomba to Sydney gas pipeline sale of

provision of legal advice: Office of the Australian Government Solicitor advice received from Pipeline Authority power to sell p ipeline without approval from

Pipeline Authority expressions of interest received Increase in haulage rate charges reason for timing of announcement to

reason for indications that haulage rates would change possibility of sale of pipeline to be reported on to Government need for variation of conditions for sale of pipeline effect of increased haulage rates on gas price for consumers

proportion of gas from pipeline for domestic vs industrial use Assessment of impact on business in New South Wales (NSW) engagement of consultant for conclusions of

date Consultancy work undertaken Sheeden Pacific Pty Ltd consultants expertise of availability of report by access to report for potential purchasers

requests for release of report

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1974 haulage agreement between Pipeline Authority and AGL first right of refusal on sale of pipeline for AGL 1985 heads of agreement first right of refusal included in Pipeline Authority

assets remaining after sale of pipeline sale of Authority recommendation of method of sale of pipeline avoidance of first right of refusal clause Senator Evans' letter of 4 September 1985 re first righ t of refusal 1985 heads of agreement

legally binding on AGL and Pipeline Authority legally binding on the Commonwealth legal opinion from Attorney-General advice from QC consistency of advice

letter to Chief Executive of AGL compensation for AGL terms of existing contract between AGL and Pipeline Authority amount of expected compensation basis for compensation impact on demand for gas and effect on determining degree of compensation existing haulage arrangements: take and pay implications of triggering of take and pay clause as a result of new pricing arrangements AGL letter to task force dated 18 September

response to

Legislation required to increase haulage charges progress of drafting of involvement of Attorney-General

reservations on part of Attorney-General re legality of proposed sale confidentiality agreements information provided to applicants

payment of bond impact on natural gas prices flow-on of cost to consumers letter from Premier of NSW concerning increased costs expected loss of gross proceeds in legal compensation and related costs

payment of compensation out of Consolidated Revenue Moomba-Sydney gas pipeline liabilities of treatment of

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compensation and associated outlays distinction between Commonwealth vs private sector liabilities contingent liability sale of pipeline on basis of existing contract

Program 2 - Resource management Framework

Subprogram 2.2 : Accounting Policies and Procedures follow-up arrangements to Auditor-General's report Department of Defence: Garden Island Dockyard follow-up to Auditor-General's reports Commonwealth Task Force on Asset Sales Sheeden Pacific report

description analysis of gas market in NSW date of circulation of distinction between distribution of Trowbridge report and task of selling pipeline after decision to increase haulage rates

input into decision to increase haulage rates Cabinet submission on source of initiative for increased haulage rate investigation of possible sale price in accordance with heads of agreement existence of preferred client

invitation for expressions of interest response of AGL to reliance upon legal right request from AGL for Task Force to set a price discussion on

terms of AGL 's expression of interest threat of legal action number of other expressions of interest received effect of increased haulage rate on submissions expressions of interest on basis of same haulage rates existence of Task Force at time of AGL ·s first offer val ue of pipeline if heads of agreement honoured effect of propositions on consumer Sheeden Pacific report

investigation of impact on consumers of increased haulage rate examination of implication of increased haulage rates on inflation resources available to Task Force in Government to ascertain impact on inflation

research done to arrive at figures of gas prices in the event of increased haulage rates so urce of data for means by which data collected telephone inquiries about number of categories of gas users price paid per each category of user

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number of pricing structure categories Sheeden Pacific report examination of elasticity of demand for gas conclusions of

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categories of gas users most effected by increased haulage rates qualification of impact on classification of user

382 382 382 382

impact on exports conclusions of release of report

. Sale of Uranium stockpile amount of stockpile involvement of Dept of Primary Industries and Energy value of market for Avalon airfield

sale to Aerospace Technologies of Australia Pty Ltd (AST A) payment to AST A in AMF redundancies in the organisation Australian Financial Review article: 1989-90 loss for ASTS Involvement of Task Force in sale of Dept. of Defence land on Sydney foreshore

advisory role of Task Force in relation to Involvement in sale of property in Berlin Involvement in sale of property in Tokyo Relocation of Australian Embassy in Jakarta

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

Program 6 - Taxation Administration Australian Taxation Office Tax Pack cost of production of

objective of effect on tax agent vs personal returns as result of extent increased lodgement of tax agent returns attributable to electronic processes complexity of tax laws change in percentage of returns requiring amendment cost of paper used for cost of printing

percentage of Australian vs overseas paper used estimate for next year consultation with Australian paper manufacturers response on subject by Senator Button, 24 August 1990 Econoprint

APPM

colour reproduction reasons for not using cost of using Australian vs imported paper

cost of Australcoat and Econoprint vs Finnish paper

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name of printer responsibility for purchase of paper involvement of News Limited purchase of imported paper in US dollars opportunity for Australian manufacturers to quote on major printed content of Tax Pack Advocate article, Friday 7 September: suitability of Australian pulp mills quality of Australian-made paper

problems of writing on support for local industry Government policy to use Australian-made paper ability of Australian manufacturers to produce sufficient quantities of required paper

weight of Australian vs imported paper weights of uncoated mechanical paper manufactured guidelines followed in seeking cost-effective solution for Tax Office requirements weighting for Australian-made products requirement to seek quotations from several printers '·Printed on recyclable paper": definition of pluses and minuses of Tax Pack effect on number of queries from tax payers Superannuation question

application of penalties re mistake in first edition on number of taxpayers contacted to correct liability after lodging incorrect return as result of cost to office of expressions of concern on questions other than cost of changing Tax Pack prior to reprint

number of languages available in community languages used reason for choice of languages used liaison with OMA or DILGEA in relation to

reason for using consultant name of consultancy selection process of translation of selected parts of Tax Pack cost of translation and production into community

languages number of foreign language copies printed tax material provided previously in community languages distribution of foreign language Tax Packs

means of ascertaining usage of community language tax packs printer used to produce community language tax packs components of figure spent on Tax Pack

production cost of tax pack initial figure quoted for cost of production of

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number of PA YE and small business tax returns received proportion of cost of taxpack related to promotion expected expenditure for next financial year Consumption Tax

work undertaken in last 18 months on attendance of officers at seminars timescale for introduction of problems prior to implementation of new accounting financial management information sys tem quantitative examination of the regressive impact of the increase in indirect taxes since 1985 calculations si nce draft White Paper ( 1985) of size of cash economy

pre-election work on timing of introduction of Consumption tax Dept. of Finance costing of Opposition ··Economic Action Plan" reason for investigation into possibility of introduction of CT Auditor-General 's report No. 5

building security response to Auditor-General's concerns on senior management committees at each office procedures for security checks on new staff engagement of security and cleaning contractors

proposal for national security committee purpose-built buildings. recommendation for Privacy debate covering by encrypted network of transmissions to

outside organisations inclusion of other government depts. in "'outside organisations" protection of sensitive information possibility of introducing a ··fail-safe" system Mr Roger Clark, ANU: paper on tax file number scheme Draft Annual Report

consultants effective index for list of conferences attended by officers from ATO Physical transfer of data obligation upon recipient not to pass on information breach of Income Tax Assessment Act use of information as basis of prosecution protection against use of information for purposes other than original intent legal impediments to passing information onto other departments

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gap between policy and practice re security of information Sales Tax administration of provision of adequate legislative base for the issuing of

certificates and exemptions rationale for different dates for delayed payments for small taxpayers re P AYE and implementation of quarterly instalment system consideration of reducing interest rate regime payable to and by ATO timeframe for completion of sales tax simplification program Computer direct 24 hour access for service to clients

protection from excess information and resulting cost from Review of proposed wholesale sales tax system Cascade Brewery overruling of local sales tax ruling by central office

Subprogram 6.1 : Income Tax Budget change in relation to directors' fees and provisional tax reason for not prosecuting some non-compliance administrative practicality of PA YE provisions

review of penalties for mistakes made by taxpayer in determination of taxable income Tax underpaid by taxpayers vs overpayment of tax caused by ATO mistakes

plans to equalise the interest penalties payable on study of US and Canadian self-assessment taxation systems change in penalty regime Audit of taxpayer

Inquiries

nature of documents on their rights before the law length of time in advance that taxpayer is provided with documentation plans to institute procedures whereby taxpayers' rights are protected guidelines used by A TO that are not given to taxpayers

procedures used to determine which taxpayers are to be audited advance notification of industries to be reviewed decision with respect to States

indication of level of sampling determination of prosecution vs provision of penalty

steps taken to ensure waiting time is minimised average waiting time to speak to inquiry officer during prank calls in relation to audits on pensioners and elderly Tax instalments and prescribed payment deductions

ATO errors and redress available to taxpayer requests for rulings from individual and corporate taxpayers

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difference in procedures prior to introduction of self-assessment average time taken to answer request for ruling meaning of ·· reasonable time" re submission of request for ruling number of requests for rulings handled monthly number of discretions given by Commissioner increase over last 10 years of changes in arrangements in relation to appeal rights stage reached in simplification process

release of report on tax simplification project team reason for delay in submitting report benefits to taxpayers of Section 262A(l ) of the Income Tax Act provision of lodging of elections unfavourable decision by AA T after Tax Office advice data on cost of administration of centralised vs decentralised system

" legal tax avoidance'": meaning of High Court decision on Packcorp Investment Large Case Audit Program amount of revenue resulted for cost of running Modernisation Dividend

method of calculating relation to ADP purchases Progress on inclusions of definition of "community service" in Bill other matters to be included in Bill

changes to section 79E (8),(9) and (10) consequences of section 160AQCB rearrangements between Australian companies and non-resident parent companies Simplification unit Refusal of Commissioner to be bound by own rulings general rulings

Subprogram 6.3 : Corporate Support Level of training current level of funding for training staff comparison with previous years

quality assessment of advice given original authorised expenditure for new computer hard/software plans for inclusion of Australia Card capacity on mainframes required for Australia Card vs

tax file number date of request for tender (RFT) reason for increase from original estimate building program proportion of total modernisation program for purchasing hard/software

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costs associated with revaluation of existing and implementation of new systems List of Questions on Notice: "' Travelling Budgets" and "'Sales Tax and Commercial Publications'' Child Support Systems

average delay for c ustodial parent to receive payment position of c ustodial parent in the interim success of scheme difficulties with

non-compliance reason for

List of Questions on Notice: Child Support Agency

DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE

Program 2 - Resource Managemenc Framework n umber of Finance ci rculars iss ued comparison with number issued in 1988-89

Program 4 - Retirement Benefits

Subprogram 4. 1 : Retirement Benefits Office New Commonwealth Supera nnuarion Scheme delays in payments to people who have left Public Service since July 1

reason for number of people disadvantaged by delays evidence of hardship suffered as result of delays difference in situation if delayed introduction reason for delay in identification of problems advice to Govt. on difficulties surrounding commencement date current progress with implementation of time estimate for rectifying problems instances of compensation sought as result of problems mechanism available for provision of compensation Annual Report

time that statistics become available for provision of interim report

Subprogram 4.2 : Commonwealth Superannuation Policy SFIT establishment of special property trust significance of separating from other investments

number of GBEs seeking own scheme disadvantages for GBE employees due to delays in implementation of new schemes Australian Defence Industries (ADI)

employees of in old sc heme option to transfer to new scheme

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Program 5 - Specific Payments and Receipts Activities

Subprogram 5.2 : Other Payments Schemes natural disaster relief arrangements reason for increase allocation of funds on State by State basis date estimated outlays provided by Qld Govt. actual vs possible outlays List of Questions on Notice: Program 5.1 - Departmental

Secretaries

Program 6 - Corporate Services

Subprogram 6.2 : Support Services Assets register role of Dept. in monitoring of development of

installation of computer database system time scale for completion of program guidelines for inclusion of details in assets register

Program 7 - Australian Na tional Audit Office priority of assets register

Subject

number of depts. in posi tion to produce asset and liability information involvement in monitoring GBE assets desirability of increased auditing role re GBEs steps taken to reduce existing constraints change of status to statutory body

Wednesday Jrd October 1990

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DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE (DITAC)

Program 1 - Industry Policy and Development Offsets Program identity of transnational information technology companies that joined partnership program applicability of offsets to domestic airlines current process being undertaken effect on offsets program of Boeing agreement fulfilment of offsets obligations other agreements similar to details of travel concerning supervision of offsets program date and cost of visit to Seattle

number/destinations of other trips in last 12 months reason for fewer visits to Boeing termination of agreement origin of suggestion for new agreement

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satisfaction of all offsets by Boeing percentage of offsets discharged Australian Financial Review article, Julie Power: effect of agreement on offsets program

Introduction of similar agreement for telecommunications area role in overseeing purchase of [T reviews re aerospace firms and offsets program programs financed by offset obligations achievements in aerospace area from offsets program

means of establishing long term relationships with aerospace industries not formally linked with Australian industrv "formal linkages": meaning of -

establishing network of regional collaboration role of DIT AC vs Austrade intention for more Boeing-style agreements implementation of JCPA recommendations establishment of industry database and NOMIS enhancement

publication of forward procurement plans review of procedures manual draft annual report on offsets Ernst and Young audits

to be made public Companies participating in partnership program Hewlett Packard progress of investigation of economically establishing

industry database time required to compile database current value of outstanding offsets obligations Flett, Henderson and Arnold Consultancy

revision of image and logo of partnership program assista nce with communication of partnership for development program Pilot audit

continuation of tender for adopting long-term audit approach role of Auditor-General Multifunction polis Joint Secretariat Pty Ltd

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resignation of chief executive of 467

appointment of successor 467

Outcome of meeting with members of Hewlett Packard 467

October meeting with vice-president of international operations 467 further discussions on termination of partnership 46 7-468

Proposed restructuring of Department implications for operation of the Dept. abolition of policy division coordination of policy in different program areas

reason for lack of success of discrete policy division responsibility for policy on micro- reform tariffs and environmental issues after 1992

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environment branches in divisions other than heavy industries responsibility for minerals processing improvement of Department's relations with business removal of policy responsibility areas to States ways restructuring will improve relations with business Bureau of Industry Economics

responsibility for Australian Financial Review article on Australian Financial Review article, 14 September: intervention in a ppointment of head of cooperative

researc h centre project by Mr C rea n appointment of Dr Bell reason appointment did not proceed decision of PM&C

involvement of DITAC in suitability of Departmental officer to fill position expertise in program ma nagement possessed by Dr Bell discussions on reversal of decision to a ppoint

knowledge of Mr Crean 's involvement discussions on matter between Senator Button a nd Mr C rean views· consistent with PM&C's decision position offered to Dr Bell Australian Financial Review article: Premiers Conference

role of Dept. in run up to and conduct of overall coordinating responsibility within the Dept. for work being done for

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Auditor-General's report No.32 deficiencies in handling of accounts and payments Cooperative Research Centre allocation of funds for

number of applicants for responsibility for process of assessment of proposals involvement of Mr Crean in capacity as Minister assisting Prime Minister for Science

involvement at departmental level Innovation Division Draft Annual Report on Civil Offsets Appendix K: major consultancies let during 1989-90

public sc rutiny of offsets program projected company achievements for partnerships for development agreements Appendix G: Status of overseas firms participating in offsets program Government Offsets and Procurement Advisory Committee

(GO PAC) report of major items considered by preparation of report from minutes of meetings responsibility for Gazettal of procurement definite proposal to computerise scrutiny of customs data to identify importers

measurement of performance: availability of figures on comparison of newly acquired obligations with discharge of accrued obligations value of outstanding obligations

present database: NOMIS procedure of dealing with information from the Auditor- General auditing of offsets program update of information for inclusion in Annual Report audit of partnership program Appendix G : Status of Overseas Firms

Participating in Offsets Programs at 30 June 1990 advice to Australian companies not to deal directly with companies re offsets reports from overseas firms on inquiries received

percentage of contracts discharging obligations using DIT AC as mediator records on Projected Company Achievements Under

Partnership for Development Agreements figures for Hewlett-Packard takeover of Apollo Domain by

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disagreement on sum of resulting obligations provision for arbitration on issue cancellation of contracts and reversal to prequalified offset system advice from Attorney-General's Dept.

484 484 484 484 484 records of discussion with Hewlett-Packard time frame from resolution of termination of contract within terms of agreement Activities undertaken by partnership firms

4 headings: Exports, R&D Software, R&D Hardware, Manufacturing relationship between lists difference between activities undertaken directly and activities contracted out Research and Development undertaken under partnership program

research and development undertaken for discharging offset component of R&D obligations of Hewlett-Pac kard

Cincom

ratio of R&D to export commitment year Apollo Domain contract entered into

agreement with revision of projections determination of satisfactory pace of program of activities

Program 4 - Nuclear Science and Technology relations with local community in Lucas Heights operation of reactor security of waste removal function of processing of tita nium export value of

relationship with CSIRO duplication of work between ANSTO and CSIRO user pay principle for products supplied to hospitals

Program 1 - Industry Policy and Development

Subprogram 1.1 : Industry Development decrease in expenditure for staff increase in Du Pont Fibremakers

public availability of commitments re exports, technology and occupational health and safety expressions of interest by other firms in concept of bounty capitalisation extension of capitalisation scheme to other bounty schemes Kodak bounty

achievement of export targets under terms of bounty agreement BIE report on Kodak's paper finishing plants in Australia study of film production plant

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Kodak Australasia details of import and export figures refusal to sell film for export by local exporters orders from overseas vs domestic so urce

provision of breakdown of exports from Australia destination of exports TCF development assistance program underspending of program

degree of interest in complaints from potential applicants raw material projects placed on hold

Program 1.1 : Industry Development timetable for policy statements on majo r projects re heavy engineering and construction Implementation of fraud control plan 495 Oztech trade exhibition

reason for subsidy to date exhibition will take place nature and of local industries to take part in

name of firm managing exhibition provision of proportion of subsidy by Austrade evaluation of proposal comparison with Auscom ASK firm

particulars of background check on date of agreement to pay subsidy reason for upfront payment amount spent to date copy of original proposal acquitting of funds authorisation of expenditure officer approached with original proposal

knowledge of firm by departmental officer recommendations made by officer knowledge of commercial firms managing IT exhibitions Digital Equipment Company exhibition

date contract signed number of firms managing exhibitions on commercia l basis business done with Other expressions of interest or quotes sought ASK firm

records of inquiries about complaints about letting of contract to explanation of reason Auscom organiser not given opportunity to tender

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length of time Auscom in existence knowledge of exhibitions organised by Auscom Australian Industry and Technology Council promotional venture with Auscom: "Australia Makes IT" Total cost of Oztech exhibition

normal practice of payment for responsibility for decision to pay up-front factors contributing to decision on program of schedule of commitments Auditing program

budgeting procedures for expressions of interest sought sum paid on program payment basis Consultation with Austrade

payment up-front by Austrade Responsibility for oversighting financial expenditure of Oztech-type payments Limits on individual authorisation of expenditure Process of getting Oztech contract in approved form Number of officers with unlimited delegations Knowledge of Finance Manual Responsibility for drafting of contract

number of people in Corporate Agreements section involvement with consultancies experience with up-front payments in advance of performance of contract date cheque drawn sum paid under AMF previous budgeting for reason for timing of payment Technology for D evelopment Fund

purpose of appropriation money taken from promotion of partnership for development program

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASL'RY

Coalition "Economic Action Plan " costing of expenditure reduction proposals contained in consultation with Dept. of Finance press release on results of Recommendations on monetary policy

role of Treasury vs Reserve Bank effect on Treasury if Reserve Bank given greater autonomy New Zealand Reserve Bank degree of independence

monitoring of New Zealand situation Changes in monetary policy press releases announcing reason for

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desirability of making announcements ongoing feature of system ecurity arrangements to prevent leaks number of people with advance knowledge of

indication of advance warning to market of 23 January announcement normal hour of day for announcement of Reserve Bank

intervention

Prime goals of monetary policy impact of inflation on economic activity advice to Treasurer on inflation public availability of papers on assessment of impact of

monitory policy on current account input into CPI forecasts Bank margins TreasuryiRBA inquiry into level and setting of

competitiveness of the bank system Oil price forecast impact on Budget of Revenue effects

increase in crude oil excise and resource rent tax (RRT) impact on company tax of effect on expenditure P AYE and sales tax effect on CPI forecasts for wages growth effect on interest rates

impact of increased oil prices on overseas market prospects for dealing with US economy reason for use of US dollar price in international forecasts assumption of constant trade weighted index (TWI)

review of Budget estimates in January/February decline in terms of trade effect on forecasts for export prices comparison with value of imports

use of Australian dollar prices reason for optimism on exports assumption in light of Gulf crisis effect of maintaining oil price at present level

linkage between forecasts of movements in exports and investment Mining industry Forecasted fall in import volume and slowdown in growth of

final demand Debt servicing ratio forecast on decline of preparation of paper by EP AC on

timescale for paper prepared by Business Council of Australia on

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proportion of shift into net exports required to stabilise effect of reduction of deficit on studies on Private investment Forward Estimates Unemployment forecasts Wool Industry Prudential controls

role in setting or monitoring of different areas of financial sector of involvement with monitoring of NBFis means of being kept informed on performance of financial institutions sources of information other than Reserve Bank

regular reporting process Information on imminent collapse of Pyramid advice to Treasurer on Pyramid problems advance of date advice provided to Treasurer that Treasury

was aware of Pyramid problems knowledge of Victorian Govt. intention to close Pyramid role of Reserve Bank in monitoring State Banks role of Treasury in monitoring State Banks Commonwealth Bank takeover of State Bank of Victoria

figure for Tricontinental losses advice to Treasurer prior to sale to Commonwealth Bank of State Bank inclusion of advice on impact on overall debt position of Commonwealth Bank effect on overall liabilities position of Commonwealth Bank as result of past consideration of sell-off of Commonwealth Bank valuation of Commonwealth Bank properties during last nine months valuation by Tewson International of

reason Commonwealth Bank deemed successful bidder contact between Federal and Victorian Treasury on Commonwealth Bank bid precedent for sales of other State govt. instrumentalities calculation of revenue implications of similar arrangements reason for tax arrangement for this case aspects of transaction revenue neutral South Australian Financing Authority (SAF A) contribution to State Bank of Victoria

knowledge of transaction by Federal Treasury time Federal Treasury became aware of consideration of possibility of Commonwealth Bank taking financial interest in other State Banks

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Bureau of Industry Economics report: lack of competition in Australian banking sector Determination of dividend paid to Budget from Reserve Bank Treatment of asset sales compared with other Western countries

co nsistency with lMF classification other countries pursuing Australian method asset sales as offset to outlays consideration to changing treatment of asset sales other major industrial countries in IMF system Budget Speech

Treasurer's tatement on Commonwealth spending as proportion of GOP Budget Paper No.I: pattern of on/off Budget items

inclusion of figures for Telecom and Australia Post Medicare funding for

Program 1 - Economic Policy

Subprogram 1.1 : Macroeconomic

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comparative interest rates against rates in other OECD countries 552 Quarterly Round-up of Economic Statistics 552

average prime lending rate 552-553

difference between comparable US short term and Australian prime rates 553

UK LIBOR rates 553

cost of funding disadvantage rates for Latin American countries effect on offshore borrowing of threshold level of comparative interest rate disadvantage

models of corporate offshore borrowing extent interest payments contribute to current account deficit rescheduling of interest payments to offshore creditors reverse tender process to retire public sector debts extent reduction in foreign currency debt is an indicator of reduction in foreign debt European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD)

Australian role in number of member countries legislation for comparison with share in IMF and IBRD-World Bank

initiative for involvement in EBRD negotiation for conditions of membership to provide benefits for Australia commencement date for Economic Round-up

reason for change to quarterly round-up Prices Surveillance Authority (PSA) inquiry into petroleum product prices

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advice to Treasurer prior to announcement of 3 week price freeze assessment of financial losses incurred by refiners and marketers as result of freeze meeting between Treasurer and companies on industrv confidence in Govt as result of decision consistent with Govt policy towards deregulation of business environment advice to Treasurer since decision evidence of profiteering by companies as result of recent mqu1ry Discontinuation of production of 1c and 2c Price of postage stamps

ability to buy one stamp

Program 1 - Economic Policy List of Questions on Notice: Program 1.1 -Prices Surveillance Authority Reverse tendering Budget Related Paper No 1 - Government

Securities on Issue at 30 June 1990 affect of interest rates on maturity structure of govt securities on issues effect on funds available for lending to private sector for

investment as result of amount of securities held by banks relaxation of prime asset ratio requirements Premiers Conference. June changes in borrowings to enable Commonwealth to return

certain borrowing obligations to the States Australian Financial Review article, 27 June: shift in bond market from present PA R to broader liquidity measure as result of

difference in PAR: Commonwealth vs new State bonds expected change in level of total public sector borrowing as resu lt of change in level of State and Federal Govt. secu rities on issue cost effectiveness of strategy for Commonwealth extent of Commonwealth ·s compensation package finalisation of discussions with States on

net present value method of compensation weighted average borrowing cost of Qld and NSW Treasury fixed rate bonds

Subprogram 1.2 : Structural Structural Adj ustment Committee Structural adjustment process on labour market reform

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impact of exchange rate variations on Australian currency equivalent of outstanding liabilities Discount/Premiums on redemption

Subprogram 1.4 : Taxation Policy Broadbased consumption tax work undertaken on monitoring role of Treasury on

attendance at overseas conferences on consumption tax officers currently overseas on associated matters progress reports from work in indirect tax area

method of selection for exchange arrangement attendance at Australian conferences on length of time required to introduce goods and services tax similar to NZ

1985 consideration of quantitative examination of regressive impact of in crease in indirect taxes since 1985 increase in tax revenues resulting from possible introduction of Treasurer's National Press Club speech based on 1985 ana lys is estimate of compensation

increase in tax revenue from foreign visitors to Australia as result of introduction of Estimate of size of cash economy Access for new organisations to income tax law provisions on deductions for gifts Tax deductible donations passed on to organisations without

tax-deductible status Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF)

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use of donations for Sociedad Ferruana de Derocco Ambientale 583 Review of PA YE contributions and Fringe Benefit Tax returns in 583-584 respect of allowances paid to elected members of council Introduction of resource tax on Bass Strait hydrocarbons

impact on price of Bass Strait gas replacement of 10 percent royalty on gas increase in feed-stock price for petrochemical industry representations for exemption from resource rent tax for petroleum feed-stocks

Program 2 - Financial System

Subprogram 2.1 : Financial sector policy and administration Insurance and Superannuation Commission Auscralian Financial Review article, 24 September: measurement of solvency of general insurance industry

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Insurance Act requirement for calculation of liabilities appearance of solvency resulting from undervaluing of liabilities relative to assets Privacy legislation

direct access to tax file numbers complaints in relation to privacy considerations steps taken to ensure protection of tax file number access to data for .outsiders access by Treasury to Tax Office data

possibility of tapping into Treasury and Tax Office databases requirement to sign compliance form on tax file numbers nature of information supplied other types of compliance forms requiring provision of unrelated information questions seeking information for statistical purposes alone

Program 3 - Payments to or for Other Levels of Government

Subprogram 3.1 : Payments relating to Genera l Purpose Revenue Assistance payments to States responsibility for drafting offer document for Premiers

at Premiers Conference knowledge of applications to Minister for Finance of advance payments AMF payments to Tasmania, South Australia and Western Australia

reason not included in offer document difference between capital grants in AMF vs offer document responsibility for drafting Treasurer's statement reason for description of payments as "urgent and unforeseen" previous applications for

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requirement of AMF for payment to be "urgent and unforeseen " "unforeseen": definition of

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legal advice on interpretation of Attorney-General's Dept. requirement for applications to satisfy legal usage of AMF South Australian application

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satisfaction of legal requirements as set out in Appropriation Act steps taken to establish application within legal requirements of speech by SA Premier, Mr Bannon: use of SA AMF payment

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AMF payment to Tasmania for restructuring public service similar payments to other States other requests for approval of other applications Timing of SA AMF payment

specific purpose payment Tasmanian AMF payment capital vs recurrent payment redundancy payments

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Program 4 - Corporate Services - Departmental Evaluation report of Departmenta l Corporate Services Renovations to Treasurer's office at Parliament House List of Questions on Notice - ADP equipment

Program 5 - Australian Bureau of Statistics ( ABS) House Prices and Mortgage Interest Rates reasons for changes to C PI in accounting for impact of petrol price freeze on calculations of CPI

timing of price readings for petrol effect of Gulf crisis on C PI Input to Treasury on economic forecasts Australian Financial Review a rti cle on

acco unt of environmental factors and considerations in statistical analysis paper for presen tation at Statistical In stitute for Asia

and the Pacific ational Accounts work on including unpaid work in the home 1991 Census

questions on racial origin inclusion and exclusion of questions changes from 1986 census mobility of population indicated by estimate of total all-up cost of Cost recovery policy

Friday 12 October 1990

Subject

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

Program 3 - Austrade

Program 1 - Industry Policy and Development Oztech exhibition contract for upfront payment "commercial-in-confidence" status of original proposal

contract with National Exhibition Coordination (NEC) involvement of Ron Bell and Associates and Mr Mike Zarew of ASK Solutions ASK Solutions ACT Authorisation and execution of contract Up-front payment clause in contract

agreement in accordance with departmental guidelines Finance Manual responsibility for preparation of contract specification for payment within 30 days

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practice of giving start-up capital for exhibition money to provide DIT AC with stand list of expenditure to date reason for payment of legal fees joint venture between D epartment and NEC chairm an of management committee Gallens Crowley and C hamberlain

legal fees paid to

Provision of assistance in identifying relevant industry associa tions Departmental undertakings in co nnection with exhibition provision of assistance with preparation of press statements and other promotional material

NEC

provision made for cost of supply of lists provision for cost of additional services and assistance given

requirement to take steps necessary for arranging and conducting of Oztech banquet for launch of exhibition payment for Departm e nta l contribution to ex hibition

proportion of total cost provision in contract for further contributions to ASK Solutions, ACT

NEC

affiliation with NSW registered ASK Solutions

date of formation date of registration of corporation vs registered business name original p roposal for Oztech 1990 reason for delay to 1991 agreement with Mr Zarew's proposal letter seeking further information nature of further information sought business plan for the proposal date offer accepted cost for banquet borne by payment for entertainment by BHP Nature and purpose of exhibition

import bill of IT for Australia main purpose of exhibition Genera l resc heduling of functions in the Dept. creation of new branch

affect on a ppropriations for salaries KODAK special bounty payment to Pappas Carter Evans and Koop consultancy

The Global Challenge

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Computer bounty scheme effect on viability of corporation if reassurance given EMDG sc heme payments made after July 5 and prior to introduction

of legislation

R&D Leve l

AIO C

150% tax concessions Comparison between Austra li a and OECD nations Increase in number of firms in receipt of 150 01c tax concessions for 3 - 5 years

whether growth generated by tax concession alone fi nancial arrangement of proposed syndicate ventures to generate guaranteed return to investors concerns over

impact on commercial viabi lity of R&D work measures/changes to concessions to address concerns

drop in payments from payment on remaining sh ares Government maintains in calculation of tax re partly privatised body Civil Off ets Dra ft Report - list of consultants

Patent Office fees for consultants leading program for skill deficiencies identified skills taught in program

"analytical reading" : definition of employee assistance counselling number of staff who undertook program average salary of staff who undertook program "Life planning for women" course

particulars of course Appropriations for commercialisation of the AIRDIS project grants Mitchell McCotter and Associates, consultancy development pipeline

list of consultancies dea ling with matters concerning offsets and light indus try Gallens Crowley and Chamberlain Solicitors payment to

date of payment subsequent payment for legal services outstanding accounts for payment name of exhibition

NEC letter threatening legal action in respect of name nature of legal advice Department has received on matter involvement of the Department in

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knowledge of whether Austrade made up-front payment for exhibition List of Questions on otice - Industry Policy and Development: Post 1922 tariff reforms: AIDC: Business Environment List of Questions on otice: Science Policy Coordination

Program 2 - Customs Minister's opening statement location of figures for legal fees in program notes Midford Paramount Pry Ltd

Customs v Hanna Boutros lssa. Louise Joseph Macdessi, Midford Paramount Pty Ltd and Clive Howard Lodge authorisation fot initiation of prosecution inquiries made about operating conditions of Midford Paramount preparation of brief of evidence names of officers involved nature of brief consultation with other sections of Department on

reference to agreement in brief reason ·for investigation into Midford Paramount by Customs statement prepared for inclusion in brief evidence given to Customs total cost incurred in mounting prosecution inclusion of plane fares to Malaysia TCF policy anomaly status of Midford degree of research undertaken for preparation of statement to be included in brief date of change in TCF policy

inquiry into history of Midford case date Customs officers went to Malaysia to find documentary evidence inclusion of plane fare in total investigation cost records of payment of bill names of officers who talked to Dr Fitzpatrick number of occasions spoke to officers knowledge of agreement between Australian and Malaysian Governments awareness of Malaysian Government desire to prosecute Customs officers

injunction to prevent entry into Malaysian premises of Midford Paramount Australian articles on involvement of Attorney General's Department contact with Sun Herald report on

Ministers knowledge of agreement

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other cases of foreign Government action against Department officers secret agreement between Malaysia & Australia contrary to GATT

Cabinet papers giving approval Comptroller General's knowledge of agreement manner in which agreement brought to Dr Fitzpatrick's attention

knowledge of agreement by Senior officers Return of documents gathered in Malaysia reason not returned officer who personally dealt with matter

replacement at Estimates for Mr Strang's knowledge of agreement reason for absence of National Manager. Investigations Involvement of Attorney General's and Foreign Affairs

Brief to Director of Public Prosecutions Means by which officers left Malaysia Knowledge of Malaysian Government intent to bring criminal prosecution against officers

opportunity for Australian Government to appeal names of officers to be subject for criminal prosecution discussions with Attorney-General on appeal Manner by which officers got to airport Official communication from Malaysian Government on

intention to prosecute Present employment of officers Invol vement of officer in Bazos investigation stage of prosecution at which Midford assets frozen

Mr Bazos' assets frozen complaints against officers' investigation methods in Singapore Sale of Midford business in Malaysia

knowledge of advice to Customs of failure of prosecution compensation paid to Midford Report by Ombudsman Midford Investigation

date officers began reason given that further investiga tion should take place evidence of misuse of quota terms of conditions attached to quota evidence of statements to Customs on terms of conditions

names of officers who provided statements authorisation of officers to go to Malaysia length of stay in Malaysia

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knowledge of Acting National Manager, In vestigation as to when officers had documents Attendance at conference on Nairobi convention date of conference Contact with Investigation officers

manner in w hich Acting National Manage r informed that officers had documents voluntary tendering of documents assistance from Malaysian Customs Officers knowledge of injunction contact with Australian Embassy

reason injunction was served contact betwee'n Australian Embassy and Investigation Officers explanation of how officers left country time officers first heard of injunction appropriation for investigation into Mr Bazos occasion Acting National Manager first heard of Malaysian Government 's intent to prosecute requirement for documents to be returned, officers knowledge of discussions with Mr Strang

legal advice from DPP awareness of agreement between Australian and Malaysian Governments evidence of agreement at court case Anomaly reserve

number of firms involved in length of time of existence of tied quota category basis of anomaly existence of anomalies register description of conditions

requirement to manufacture basis of conditions location of evidence of conditions and nature of special arrangements with Midford DPP directive not to return documents

reason for involvement of Attorney General's Department discussions with Attorney General's Department compensation sought by Mr Rodgers briefings of damages and legal expenses self assessment system "Triple - dipping" Contact with Australian High Commissioner's Officer Malaysia

advice that officers had left country discussions with officers on current investigations date prosecution commenced basis for injunction

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discussions with officers about allegations that documents obtained illegally inquiry into basis of allegations method of Customs investigation Compa ri son between Malaysian Government's attitude with

New Zealand Government's attitude to "Rainbow Warrior" case potential threat to five power defence agreement Privacy Commissioner report on investigation into practices of tra nsferring personal information microfiches Mai nt ai ning control over intermediate vessels

Poolgraght case

Im port ation of bananas exemption from anti-dumping procedures for trans-Tasman trade government assistance for people making dumping or countervailing complaints

percentage of complaints related to agricultural products processing of dumping claims, length of time taken Midford Pa ramount Case payment of Mr Rodger' s legal costs Percentage of customs entries accepted automatically by

customs computers Number of audits in state by state breakdown by customs in vestigators number of penalty notices issued

value of unpaid duty plan for audits of largest importers over next 4 years A uditor-General's report security at Sydney airport

frisk search legislation removal of trees along fence at Sydney Airport Li sts of Questions on Notice - O'Chee - Australian Customs Service

Program 3 - Australian Trade Commission Export, Finance and Insurance Corporation (EFIC) operation of credit insurance facility problems with wheat exports to Iraq

ability to meet claims for insurance made against EFIC recourse to funding other than insurance premiums EMDG Scheme appropriation for

AMF payment for charges to Oztech Exhibition amount of payment from Austrade for Oztech exhibition

contract for reason for payment up front payment of number of exhibitions in last 12 months Austrade involved in

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number of exhibition for planned involvement in this year minimum and maximum payment for stands number of exhibitions to be held in Australia relationship of Oztech exhibition to exports date payment made

Wednesday 17 October 1990

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE Australian Trade Commission Minister's opening statement Oztech Exhibition

reason for decision to pay up-front contract negotiated by number of groups Manager for Light Industries is responsible delegation authority of

unlimited delegation of originators of proposition reason for non-attendance of Manager of Information Industries identity of Manager of Information Industries means by which representatives for Oztech presented proposition discussions between DIT AC and Austrade prior to appointment

nature of proposition location where 4 exhibitions held purpose of 4 exhibitions mission statement sale of equipment to Australian govts dates on which exhibition held amount of money allocated to each of the 4 conferences evidence of increase in exports as result of 4 exhibitions

name of health exhibition number of officers in attendance parameters on which payment were decided focus of Oztech exhibition vs Auscom size of import bill for IT proportion of sales of total market to Commonwealth and State Govts

participation in Auscom amount paid for list of targeted audience submission and business plan from NEC

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"commercial-in-confidence" document date contract signed up-front payment term in previous contracts awareness of DIT AC payment

monitoring effect of exhibition on export sales Dr Des Nicholls, ANU proposed book on exhibition commissioned by

date for publishing analysis of international implications of Oztech Partnership for Development program strategic alliances

Auscom

monitoring of export sales in information industries evidence of sales to govt as result of exhibition questionnaire for participants questionnaire used for previous exhibitions other exhibitions planned for Australia in 1990-91

reason for not going to tender

focus of

Oversight of contracts and competitive tendering monitoring of previous exhibitions requirement that Austrade and DIT AC both be involved awareness of DIT AC payment

mechanism for oversight of expenditure Austrade Review Austrade annual report availability of

list of consultants cost of review

Australian Financial Review article: use of Austrade Commission to claim travel expenses Construction of catamaran for Greek Islands legal action taken to recover money

level of debts written off by Austrade Travel allowances Personal computer systems replacement of

RISC 6000 purchase of suitability for open systems of cost estimate for training to operate Review of current equipment APSIS system Offsets program Compatibility of Austrade with DIT AC systems

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Interaction with DIT AC's International Division involvement with export component of passenger motor vehicle plan interaction of export development group with DIT AC Investment promotion program O verseas program

number of Austrade officers based overseas relationship with OFAT use of databases and information used by OF AT compatibility of new IT purchases with OFAT systems age of present equipment exemption from acquisition councils

utilisation by Austrade and OFAT of same equipment reports Austrade and OFAT do not share eq uipment number of RISC 6000s being purchased number of Austrade posts housi ng of equipment Ma nagers' Conferences

location of number of European managers in attendance number of Australia n managers reason for choice of location purpose of conference costing of different locations for Purchase of new equipment

interaction between Austrade and OF AT on Examination of way Germans conduct their version of Austrade Austrade posts measurement of success of

percentage of time spent dealing with large corporate vs smaller entrepreneurial clients performance in Thailand presence in Vietnam identification of specific areas to direct Australia n businessmen to spectrum of industry covered

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

N0.6

11 SEPTEMBER 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 4 .10 pm in the Main C ommittee Room. Senator Childs took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-1991:

PARLIAMENTARY DEPARTMENTS:

The Committee commenced its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure o f the Parliamentary Departments.

In attendance was Senator the Hon. Kerry Sibraa. President of the Senate accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Senate -Mr H . Evans. Clerk of the Senate Miss A . Lynch, Deputy-Clerk of the Senate Ms M. Cornwell, Clerk-Assistant (Table) Mr C. Elliott, Clerk-Assistant (Procedure) Mr P. O'Keeffe. Clerk-Assistant (Committees) Mr J . Vander Wyk. Clerk-Assistant (Management) Mr G . Nankervis, Principal Parliamentary Officer (Management) Mr R. Alison, Usher of the Black Rod

Department of the Parliamentary Reporting Staff -Mr J . W . Templeton, Secretary (Principal Parliamentary Reporter) Mr B. A. Harris, Chief Hansard Reporter Mr R. MeL. Johnston, Implementation Manager Mr K. B. Ryder, Acting Assistant Chief Reporter (Senate) Ms. C. Upton, General Manager. Parliamentary Information Systems Office Mr. G. R. Harber, Manager. Computers and Communications,

Parliamentary Information Systems Office Mr. P. J. Ward , Manager. Client Services Branch, Parlia mentary Information Systems Office Mr H . J . K. HaiL Manager. Sound and Vision Office Mr J. W. S. Walsh, Acting Assistant Secretary,

Corporate Management Branch Mr. B. J. Robinson, Director, Financial Management and Contracts Administration. Corporate Management Bra nch Mr M. J. Farrelley, Personnel Clerk, Corporate Management Branch

Department of the Parliamentary Library -Mr H. de S. C. MacLean, Parliamentary Librarian Mr M. J. Brudenall, Deputy Parliamentary Librarian

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Mr D . Argall, Head, Parliamentary Research Service Ms K. Gollan, Director. Corporate Services

Joint House Department -Mr M . Bolton. Secretary Mr J . Porter, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Mr F. Bradley. Assistant Secretary. Property Management Mr J. Rankin, Assistant Secretary. Commercial Services Mr R. Wedgwood, Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services

Department of Finance -Mr A. Hoitink

Department of the Senate

The Chairman invited general questions and called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 1: Program 2: Program 3: Program 4: Program 5:

Principal Advisers Table Office Procedure Office Committee Office

Management Office

The Committee resolved to incorporate the following documents in the transcript of evidence:

• 39 written questions from Senator P. Baume to the Department of the Senate together with answers from the Department;

• letters from the Presiding Officers to the Ministers for Finance and for Employment, Education and Training and from the Minister for Finance to the President of the Senate concerning the Citizenship Visits Program;

• eleven written questions from Senator Bishop to all departments

concerning Rod Cameron/ANOP;

• eleven written questions from Senator O'Chee concerning attendance by a Senate Officer at the Labor Lawyers Annual Conference.

The Committee also considered expenditure under the Advance to the President of the Senate for the year ended 30 June 1990.

The Committee concluded. its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 and Expenditure under the Advance to the President of the Senate for 1989-90 for the Department of the Senate, subject to an undertaking by the President and officers of the Department of the Senate to provide additional information to the Committee.

Department of the Parliamentary Library

The Chairman invited general questions and called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 1: Program 2: Program 3:

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Information Resources and Services Parliamentary Research Service Corporate Services

The Committee also considered expenditure under the Advance to the President of the Senate for the year ended 30 June 1990.

The Committee concluded its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure and Expenditure under the Advance to the President of the Senate for 1989-90 for the Department of the Parl iamentary Library subject to an undertaking by the President and officers of the Department to

provide additional information to the Committee.

3. SUSPENSION OF SITTING: The si tting was suspended from 6.32 pm to 8.00 pm.

4. ADJOLRNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 11.02 pm.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs (Chair), Bishop. Burns. O'Chee, Short, Walsh.

Senator P. Baume also attended.

CONFIRMED

Bruce Childs Chair

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO.7

18 SEPTEMBER 1990

I. MEETING: The Committee met in public session a t 3.34 pm in the Main Committee Room . Senator Childs took the Chair.

2. PARTICuLARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-1991:

PARLIAMENTARY DEPARTMENTS

The Committee commenced its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Office of the Governor-General.

In attendance was the Official Secretary to the Governor-General.

Mr D. Sturkey, accompanied by the following. officers: Mrs L. Lawless, Deputy Official Secretary Mr G. Moffatt, Assistant Secretary Commander P. Landon. Military Secretary and Comptroller

to the Governor-General Miss R. Rawson. Director Honours Secretariat Mr K. Morcombe, Assistant Director (Awards and Sys tems) Mr C. Bell, Senior Executive Officer Ms E. Sanderson, Administrative and Finance Officer

Department of Finance -Ms M. Dale, Finance Officer

The Chairman invited general questions and called on the following

programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 1: Program 2: Program 3: Program 4:

Secretariat and Policy Support Operation and Maintenance of Establishments Australian Honours Program Support

The Committee also considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ended 30 June 1990.

The Committee concluded its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for 1989-90 for the Office of the Governor-General, subject to an undertaking by the officers to provide additional information to the Committee.

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3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-91: DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE:

The Committee commenced its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Department of Industry. Technology and Commerce.

In attendance was Senator the Hon. John Button. Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr N. Stevens, Deputy Secretary. Corporate Services Division: Mr R . Palfreyman. First Assistant Secretary Mr F. Kovachevich. Assistant Secretary. Resource Management Mr G. Carlos. Director. Resource Planning and Operations Policy Division: Mr J . Bell. First Assistant Secretary Heavy Industries Section:

Mr A. Bain. First Assistant Secretary Mr B. Meredyth. Assistant Secretary. Engineering Mr J . Campbell. Manager. Minerals Mr C. Cobold, Manager. Pharmaceuticals Mr J . McLucas. General Manager. NIES Dr N. Hurst. Principal Advisor. Small Business Unit Light

Industries Division: Mr M. Fitzpatrick, Acting Deputy Secretary Mr P. Manning. Director, Offsets and Government Procurement Dr R. G. Hawkins, First Assistant Secretary Mr G . Hallinan, First Assistant Secretary Innovation: Mr M. Farrow, First Assistant Secretary

Bureau of Industry Economics Mr J. Stanford. Director Mr J. Ryan, Deputy Director

Patents, Trademarks and Design Offices: Mr I. McCay. Acting Commissioner

Commission for the Future: Mr P. Ellyard, Director

Australian Manufacturing Council: Mr J. Burke, Assistant Director

National Standards Commission: Mr G. Harvey, Scientific Services Officer

Textiles, Clothing and Footwear Development Authority: Mr R. Hayhurst, Acting Chief Executive

Automotive Industry Authority: Mr M. Wynne-Hughes, Executive Director

Anti-Dumping Authority: Mr J. McGuire. Executive Director

Australian Institute of Marine Science: Dr Baker

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Australian Customs Service: Mr D. O'Connor, Acting Comptroller-General Industry Assistance: Ms V. Stretton. National Manager Import/Export Control: Mr J. Drury, National Manager Inland Revenue: Mr G. Steele. National Manager Barrier Control: Mr C. Vassarotti. National Manager Coastwatch: Mr J . Conlon. National Manager Passenger Processing: Mr L. Jones, National Manager Investigations: Mr B. Bissaker, Nati onal Manager Inspectorate: Mr P. Murphy, Head of Inspectorate Coordination and Services: Mr J . Hawkesworth , National Manager Resources Management: Mr B. Docherty. Manager Budgets and Accounting: Mrs P. Bridge, Director Systems: Mr P. Watson, National Manager

Austrade: Mr J. Bennett, Acting Deputy Managing Director International Operations: Mr G. Kelly. Acting Manager National Operations: Mr J . Tinney, Manager Export Finance and Insurance: Mr D . Fisher. Manager Human Resources: Mr D. Richard. Manager Export Strategy: Mr E. Bruce, Manager Export Grants, Corporate Control: Mr G. McClelland, Manager Corporate Communications: Mr J. Hemphill. Manager Finance and Administration: Mr B. Friend, Manager Financial Services. Finance and Administration: Mr J. Wilson. Manager Resource Accounting, Finance and Administration: Mr H. Campbell, Manager Mr R. Ausserlechner. A ss istant Manager

Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation: Dr J . Stalker, Chief Executive Dr T. Cain. Board and Exec utive Committee, Secretary and Personal Assistant to the Chairman Corporate Services: Mr P. Langhorne. Director Corporate Finance: Mr B. Garrett, Manager Policy, Planning and Evaluation, Institute

Industrial Technologies: Mr G. Upstill, Manager Planning and Policy, Institute Natural Resources and Environment: Mr A. Pik, Manager Institute Natural Resources and Environment: Mr B. Walker, Acting Director Planning and Evaluation, Institute Plant

Production and Processing: Mr T. Healy. Manager Planning and Policy, Institute Information and Science Engineering: Mr I. Elsum, Manager Resource Budgeting: Mr R. Lockwood, Manager Mr G. Thompson, Assistant Manager Australian Nuclear Science and

Technology Organisation: Mr D . Davey, General Manager, Scientific Mr D. Wilson, General Manager, Corporate Small Business Unit: Dr N. Hurst

Department of Finance -Ms M. Dale

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The Chairman invited general questions and called on the following program of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 1: Industry Policy and Development

The Committee adjourned its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for 1989-90 for the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce until Wednesday 3 October 1990.

4. SUSPENSION OF SITTING: The sitting was suspended between 6.30 pm and 8.02 pm.

5. ADJO{jRNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 11.00 pm.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs (Chair). Bishop. Burns. O'Chee, Short. Walsh.

Senators Archer and Boswell also attended.

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1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session a t 11.03 pm in the foyer office in the Main Committee Room. Senator Childs took the Chair.

2. CONDCCT OF PUBLIC HEARING: The Committee discussed the conduct of the public hearing just concluded.

3. ADJOt:RNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 11.08 pm.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs (Chair). Bishop, Burns. O 'Chee. Short.

Senator Button also attended.

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20 SEPTEMBER 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 12.10 pm in Committee Room 14. Senator Childs took the Chair.

2. PARTICt;LARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-1991:

PARLIAMENTARY DEPARTMENTS:

The Committee resumed its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Pa rliamentary Departments.

In attendance was Senator Colston Deputy President of the Senate

accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Parliamentary Reporting Staff -Mr J .W. Templeton, Secretary (Principal Parliamentary Reporter) Mr B.A. Harris. Chief H a nsard Reporter Mr R.McL. Johnston, Implementation Manager Mr K.B. Ryder, Acting Assistant Chief Reporter (Senate) Ms C. Upton, General Manager, Pa rliamentary Information Sys tems Office Mr G.R. Harber, Manager. Computers and Communications,

Parliamentary Information Sys tems Office Mr H. Simon, Acting Manager, Client Services Branch, Parliamentary Information Systems Office Mr H.J.K. Hall, Manager. Sound and Vision Office

Mr J.W.S. Walsh, Acting Assistant Secretary, Corporate Management Branch Mr B.J . Robinson. Director, Financial Management and Contracts Administration, Corporation Management Branch Mr M.J . Farrelley, Personnel Clerk, Corporate Management Branch

Joint House Department -Mr M. Bolton, Secretary Mr J. Porter, First Assistant Secretary (Corporate Services) Mr F. Bradley, Assistant Secretary (Property Management) Mr J. Rankin, Assistant Secretary (Commercial Services) Mr R. Wedgwood, Assistant Secretary (Corporate Services)

Department of Finance -Mr A. Hoitink

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Department of the Parliamentary Reporting Staff

The Chairman invited general questions and called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program I : Program 2: Program 3: Program 4:

Hansard Information Svstems Sound and Vision Systems Corporate Management

The Committee resolved to incorporate the following document in the transcript of evidence:

• a table headed ,"Hansard Reporter Salaries".

The Committee also considered expenditure under the Advance to the President of the Senate fo r the year ended 30 June 1990.

The Committee concl uded its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 and Expenditure under the Advance to the President of the Senate for 1989-90 for the Department of the Parliamentary Reporting Staff. subject to an undertaking by the Deputy President and officers of · the Department to provide additional information to the

Committee.

Joint House Department

The Chairman invited general questions and called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 1: Program 2: Program 3:

Property Management Commercial Services Corporate Services

The Committee also considered expenditure under the Advance to the President of the Senate for the year ended 30 June 1990.

The Committee concluded its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 and Expenditure under the Advance to the President of the Senate for 1989-90 for the Department of the Parliamentary Library. subject to an undertaking by the President and officers of the Department to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.09 pm.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs (Chair), Bishop, O'Chee, Short. Walsh.

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21 SEPTEMBER 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 9.10 am in Committee Room 16. Senator Childs took the Chair.

2. PARTICLLARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-1991: DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

The Committee commenced its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.

In a ttendance was Senator the Hon. John Button. Minister for Industry. Technology and Commerce. representing the Prime Minister, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Dr Peter Shergold, Deputy Secretary Mr Philip Mussared. Acting First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services D ivision

Mr Tom O'Sullivan, First Assistant Secretary. Commonwealth State Relations Secretariat Mr Mark Cunliffe. Acting First Assistant Secretary, Parliamentary and Government Division Ms Helen L 'Orange. First Assistant Secretary. Office of the

Status of Women Ms Mary Ann O'Loughlin. First Assistant Secretary, Social Policy Division Mr David Tune, Assistant Secretarv. Social Justice Secretariat Ms Francis Davies. Assistant Secretary. Office of the Status of Women

Ms Elizabeth Delaney. Assistant Director. Office of the Status of Women Ms Serna Varova. Acting First Assistant Secretary, Office of Mul ti cultural Affairs Mr David Waddell. Acting Assistant Secretary. Office of

Multicultural Affairs Ms June Verrier. Assistant Secretary. Office of Multicultural Affairs Mr Eric James. Assistant Secretary: Office of the Chief Scientist Mr Duncan Anderson. Assistant Secretary. Ceremonial and Hospitality

Branch

Ms Julie Yates. Acting Director. Finance and Services Mr David Mylan, Acting Assistant Director. Finance and Accounts Mr Bill MacFarlane. Acting Finance Officer. Finance and Accounts

Mrs Cathy Sloan, Acting Accountant. Finance and Accounts

Australian Science and Technology Council -Mr Ian Shortt. Assistant Secretary. Briefing and Administration Branch Mrs Barbara Quail, Executive Officer, Administration Section

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Merit Protection Review Agency -Ms Anne Forward, First Assistant Secretary Mr Geoff Cameron, Assistant Secretary Mr Peter Forster. Assistant Secretary Mr Anthony Thornton, Executi ve Officer

Office of the Inspector General for Intelligence and Security Mr Philip Moss. Principal Executive Officer

Economic Planning Advisory Council -Mr Fred Argy, Director Ms Anne Holmes. Executive Secretary Mr Eugene Zinchenko. Administrative Officer

Office of National Assessments -Mr Terry O'Brien. Acting Deputy D irector-General Mr Derry! Triffid. Chief Exec utive Officer Mrs Margaret Bourke. Senior Executive Officer

Office of the Commonwealth Ombudsman Mr Murray Williamson, Senior Adviser Mr Barry Hugg, Executive Officer

Resource Assessment Commission -Mr Richard Mills, First Assistant Secretary Ms Barbara Belcher. Assistant Secretary, Policy and Corporate Support Mr Alex Nicholson. Assistant Secretary, Forest and Timber Inquiry Mr Clive Hamilton, Assistant Secretary, Research Branch Mr David Palmer. Assistant Director. Kakadu Conservation Inquiry Mr Colin Hickey, Director, Administration

Public Service Commission -Mr Ed Attridge. Acting Deputy Public Service Commissioner Dr Gail Radford, Principal Adviser. Equal Employment Opportunity Unit Mr Chris Oates, Director Placement, SES Selection & Placement Branch Mr Jeff Popple, Director Selection, SES Selection and Placement Branch Mr Paul Jones. Assistant Commissioner. SES Career Management Branch Mr Chris McCarthy, Acting Assistant Commissioner, Human Resource

Development Ms Mary Edwards. Assistant Commissioner, APS Entry and Advancement Mr Ri chard Harding, Assistant Commissioner, People Management and Deployment Ms Bernadette White, Director, Corporate Support Unit Mr Michael McFarlane, Director Information, Services & Liaison Unit Mr Peter Kain, Assistant Director, Finance Mr Mark Kilner. Director, Recruitment Policy - Standards Section Ms Michelle Delaine, Acting Assistant Director Secretariat

Department of Finance -Mr Keith Henry

The Chairman invited general questions and called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 1: Program 2: Program 3: Program 4:

Program 5: Program 6: Program 7:

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Departmental Policy Advising Government Support Services Special Sectoral Support Corporate Services Governor-General

Portfolio Policy Advising Agencies Public Administration and Accountability

The Committee resolved to incorporate the following documents in the transcript of evidence:

eight written questions by Senator Short under sub-program 1.2:

• four written questions from Senator Short under sub- program 3.2.

The Committee also considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ended 30 June 1990.

The Committee concluded its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 and Expenditure under the Advance to the

Minister for Finance for 1989-90 for the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet subject to an undertaking by the Minister and departmental officers to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. SUSPENSION OF SITTING: The sitting was suspended from 12.46 pm to 2.00 pm.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 3.53 pm.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs (Chair). Bishop. O'Chee, Short, Walsh.

Senator P. Baume also attended.

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1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at I 0.07 am in the

Committee Room 16 . Senator Childs took the Chair.

2. TELEVISING OF PROCEEDINGS: The Committee resolved that live television broadcasting of its proceedings within the building be authorised.

3. PARTICCLARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITCRE 1990-1991: DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE:

The Committee commenced its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Department of Finance.

In attendance was Senator the Hon. R. McMullan. Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasurer, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Finance -Mr E. Thorn. Acting Deputy Secretary Mr I. McPhee. First Assistant Secretary. Financial Management Division Mr M. Holmes. Acting Principal Adviser. General Expenditure Division Mr J. Galloway. Assistant Secretary. Resource Policies and

Management Branch Mr I. Briggs. Assistant Director. Resource Policies and Management Branch Mr S. Bartos, Assistant Secretary. Science, Agriculture and Resources Branch Ms 0. Fijalkowski, Assistant Secretary. ADP Branch Mr D . Lindsay. Acting Assistant Secretary, Commonwealth Superannuation

Branch

Mr R. Buttenvorth. Assistant Secretary. Expenditure Policy Branch Mr G. Harper. Acting Assistant Secretary. Accounting Policy Branch Mr J. Stevenson, Acting Assistant Secretary. Resource Management Improvement Branch Ms A . Whitehead. Senior Exec utive Officer, Information Exc hange Steering

Committee Mr A. Franklin. Chief Finance Officer. Budget Resources Branch Mr W . Cassimatis. Chief Finance Officer. Culture and Aboriginals Branch Mr A. Hoitink. Senior Finance Officer. Attorney-General's and Foreign

Branch

Commonwealth Task Force on Asset Sales -Mr H . Heinrich. Chairman Mr B. Lennon, Deputy Chairman

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Retirement Benefits Office -Mr P. Gunther, Deputy Commissioner Mr R. McKillop. Assistant Commissioner. New Scheme Implementation Mr J . McCullagh, Assistant Commissioner. Resources Management Branch Mr M. Simpson, Director. Superannuation Operations Mr R. Jackson. Director, Finance and Accounts

Australian National Audit Office -Mr M. J . Jacobs. Deputy Auditor-General Mr J . E. Meert, Executive Director. Executive Support Mr W. J. Cochrane. Executive Director, Poli cy and Development Mr R. A. Saye, Executive Director. Information Technology Support

Mr G. A. McGrory. Senior Director, Resource Management Mr F. P. Campbell, Director, Finance and Services

Department of Finance -Mr K. Henry, Chief Finance Officer.

The Chairman invited general questions a nd called on the following

programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 1: Program 2: Budget Development and Management Resource Management Framework

The Committee adjourned its examination of the Particu lars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 for the Department of Finance at 10.02 pm until a later hour in the day.

4. PARTICl'LARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-1991: DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY:

The Committee commenced its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Department of the Treasury.

In attendance was Senator the Hon. R. McMullan, Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasurer, accompanied by the following officers:

Australian Taxation Office -Mr Michael Carmodv, Second Commissioner of Taxation Mr Peter Simpson, First Assistant Commissioner. Legislative Services Group Mr Jim Killaly, Assistant Commissioner. International Tax Branch Ms Jenny McKenry, First Assistant Commissioner, Taxpayer Assistance

Group

Mr John Ryan. Acting Assistance Director, Taxpayer Assistance Mr Richard Highfield, First Assistant Commissioner. Revenue Collection Dr Keith McKenry, Assistant Commissioner, Income Tax Returns Processing Mr Vince Mitchell, First Assistant Commissioner, Taxpayer Audit Mr John Leonard, Acting Assistant Commissioner, Tax File Number Mr Michael D'Ascenzo, Assistant Commissioner. Complex Audit &

International Mr Kevin Cains, Office Management Coordinator, Appeals and Review Mr Barrie Russell, Acting First Assistant Commissioner, Sales Tax Mr Chris Hood, Acting Assistant Commissioner. National Training

Guarantee

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Mr John Harwood, Technical Advise, Sales Tax Mr Geoff Seymour, First Assistant Commissioner, Sys tems Ms Moira Scollay, First Assistant Commissioner, Corporate Services Mr Chris Mobbs, Acting Assistant Commissioner, Corporate Management

Support Mr Robert McDonald, Acting Commissioner, Program Evaluation Branch Mr John Phillips. Acting Executive Officer, Corporate Budgeting Mr Warren Rofe, Director, Decentralisation and Accommodation Mr Jack Wheeler. First Assistant Commissioner. Child Support Agency Mr Richard Johnston, Executi ve Officer, Child Support Agency Ms Glenda Sullivan, Director. Corporate Planning Ms Sandra Mulcahy. Secretariat, Corporate Planning Mrs Elizabeth Duffy, Corporate Budgeting Officer

Department of Finance -Mr P. Richardson

The Chairman invited general questions and called on the fo ll owing

program of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 6: Taxation Administration

The Committee resolved that nine written questions from Senator Watson be incorporated in the transc ript of evidence.

The Committee adjourned its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 for the Department of the Treasury until

Wednesday 3 October 1990.

5. SVSPENSION OF SITTING:

The sitting was suspended between 12 .50 pm and 2.00pm and between 6.34 pm and 8.10 pm.

6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-1991: DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE:

The Committee resumed its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Department of Finance.

The Chairman called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 2: Program 3: Program 4: Program 5: Program 6: Program 7:

Resource Management Framework Government Financial Administration and Accounts Retirement Benefits Specific Payments and Receipts Activities Corporate Services Australian National Audit Office

The Committee resolved that nine written questions from Senator Short be incorporated in the transcript of evidence.

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The Committee also considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ended 30 June 1990.

The Committee concluded its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for 1989-90 for the Department of Finance subject to an undertaking by the Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasurer and officers of the Department to provide additional information to the Committee.

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 4.05 am.

8. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs (Chair), Bishop, O'Chee, Short, Walsh.

Senators Harradine and Watson also attended.

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3 OCTOBER 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 9.13 am in Committee Room 16. Senator Childs took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-1991: DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

The Committee resumed its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Department of Industry. Technology and Commerce.

In attendance was Senator the Han. John Button. Minister for Industr\. Technology and Commerce. accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce -Mr N. Stevens. Deputy Secretary Dr M. Fitzpatrick. First Assistant Secretary, Light Industries Mr P. Manning, Director, Offsets and Government Procurement Mr P. Constable, Assistant Secretary, Information Industries Mr A. Bain, First Assistant Secretary. Heavy Industries Mr B. Meredyth, Assistant Secretary, Engineering, Heavy Industries Mr J . Campbell, Manager. Minerals, Heavy Industries Mr K. Besgrove, Acting General Manager, NIES, Heavy Industries Dr P. Stark, Manager, Biotechnology and Environmental Management.

Heavy Industries Dr R.G . Hawkins, First Assistant Secretary. Building and Service Industries Mr N. Hurst. Deputy Division Head, Building and Service Industries Ms M. Graham. Assistant Secretary, Land Development and Housing,

Building and Service Industries Mr G. Hallinan. First Assistant Secretary, International Mr M. Farrow. First Assistant Secretary, Innovation Mr J. Ryan, Deputy Director, BIE Mr R. Palfreyman, First Assistant Secretary. Corporate Services Mr G. Carlos. Acting Assistant Secretary, Resource Management.

Corporate Services Ms J. Selby Smith, Acting Secretary. Science and Technology Policy Mr I. McCay, Acting Commissioner. Patents Mr R. Cicchini. Assistant Director, Planning and Budgeting, Patents Mr J . McGuire, Executive Director, Anti-Dumping Authority

Australian Customs Service -Mr F. Kelly, Comptroller-General Mr D . O ' Connor, Deputy Comptroller-General Ms V. Stretton, National Manager, Industry Assistance

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Mr F. Drury, National Manager, Import/Export Control Mr G. Steele, National Manager, Inland Revenue Mr C. Vassarotti, National Manager, Barrier Control Mr J. Conlon, National Manager, Coastwatch Mr L. Jones, National Manager, Passenger Processing Mr B. Bissaker, National Manager, Investigation Mr J. Hawkesworth, National Manager, Coordination and Services Mr B. Docherty, Manager, Resources Management Mrs P. Bridge, Director. Budgets and Accounting Mr G . Bannister. Acting National Manager, Systems

Austrade -Mr J. Bennett. Acting Deputy Managing Director Mr R. Maxwell, Group Executive, Corporate Planning and Information Systems Mr A. Mcintosh. Manager, International Operations Mr J. Tinney. Manager, National Operations Mr D. Fisher, Group Executive. Export Finance and Insurance Mr D . Richard, Manager. Human Resources Mr G. McClelland. Manager. Export Grants. Corporate Control Mr J. Hemphill, Manager, Corporate Communications Mr S. Foster, Public Relations Officer, Communications Mr B. Friend, Manager. Finance and Administration Mr R. Wilson. Director. East Europe Market Development.

International Operations Mr I. Chesterfield, Acting Manager. International Business Development, Corporate Controls Mr P. Schultz, Manager, Light Industry. Export Strategy Mr S. Bell. Manager, Computing Development, Corporate Planning and

Information Systems Mr P. Pond, Manager, Investment Facilitation. Corporation Planning and Information Systems Mr H. Campbell, Manager, Resource Accounting, Finance and

Administration Mr R. Ausserlechner. Assistant Manager, Resource Accounting, Finance and Administration

Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation -Dr T. Cain. Board and Executive Committee, Secretary and Personal Assistant to the Chairman, Mr P. Langhorne. Director, Corporate Services

Mr B. Garrett. Manager, Corporate Finance Mr G . Upstill. Manager, Policy, Planning and Evaluation, Institute of Industrial Technologies Mr A. Pik, Manager, Planning and Policy. Institute of Natural Resources

and Environment Mr B. Walker, Acting Director, Institute of Natural Resources and Environment Mr T. Healy, Manager, Planning and Evaluation, Institute of Plant

Production and Processing Mr I. Elsum, Manager, Planning and Policy, Institute of

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Information and Science Engineering Mr R. Lockwood, Manager, Resource Budgeting Mr G. Thompson, Assistant Manager, Resource Budgeting

Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation -Mr D. Davey, General Manager. Scientific Mr D. Wilson. General Manager, Corporate

Department of Finance -Mr D. Bauffmann, Chief Finance Officer Mr J. Manage. Senior Finance Officer Mr J . Hurst, Senior Finance Officer

The Chairman called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 1: Program 4: Industry Policy and Development Nuclear Science and Technology

The Committee adjourned its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 for the Department of the Industry, Technology and Commerce to Friday 12 October 1990.

3. SUSPENSION OF SITTING

The sitting was suspended between 2.00 pm and 3.08 pm.

4. PARTICL"LARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-1991: DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

The Committee resumed its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Department of the Treasury.

In attendance was Senator the Hot1. R. McMullan, Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasurer, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Treasury -Mr J. Fraser. Deputy Secretary (Economic) Mr B. J. Gleeson, Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Branch Dr I. Watt, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Capital Markets Division Mr G. Bailey, Senior Officer Grade B. Capital Markets Division Mr G. B. Weir. Assistant Secretary. Economic Division Mr A. Sinodinos. Assistant Secretary. Economic Division Mr R. Renwick, Administrative Service Officer, Economic Division Mr F. G. H. Pooley. First Assistant Secretary, Finance and Investment

Di vision Dr J. Eyers, Assistant Secretary. Finance and Investment Division Mr J. S. Jepsen. Assistant Secretary, Finance and Investment Division Mr I. Hardham, Acting Assistant Secretary, Finance and Investment Division Mr A. G. Henderson, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Fiscal Policy Division Mr J. Combe, Assistant Secretary, Fiscal Policy Division Mr C. Legge, Acting Assistant Secretary. Fiscal Policy Division Mr R. M. Beetham, Commissioner, Insurance and Superannuation

Commission

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Mr M . O'Neill, Assistant Commissioner, Insurance and Superannuation Commission Mr W. Mayo, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Structural Policy Division Mr J . H arris, Senior Officer Grade B, Structural Policy Division

Mr G. R . Potts, First Assistant Secretary, Taxation Policy Division Mr G. Smith, Assistant Secretary, Taxation Policy Division Dr D . Cousins, Full-time Authority Member, Prices Surveillance Authority Mr J . Corin, Administrative Officer. Prices Surveillance Authority

Mr C. Mills, Corporate Planner. Royal Australian Mint Mr R. Eaton, Acting Director, Corporate Services Branch Mr F. von Reibnitz. First Assistant Statitician, Economic Accounts Division, Australian Bureau of Statistics

Mr T. J. Skinner. First Assistant Statistician. Social and Labour Division, Australian Bureau of Statistics Mr R. W. Edwards. First Assistant Statistician, Coordination and Management Division. Australian Bureau of Statistics

Mr W. McLennan, Deputy Australian Statistician, Australian Bureau of Statistics Ms K. Duff, Assistant Director. Financial Management Division, Australian Bureau of Statistics Mr G . Cocking. Senior Executive Services Officer, Statistical and

Information Services Division. Australian Bureau of Statistics

Department of Finance -Mr B. Reid, Finance Officer

The Chairman invited general questions and called on the following

programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 1: Program 2: Program 3: Program 4: Program 5:

Program 7:

Economic Policy Financial System Payments to or for Other Levels of Government Corporate Services: Departmental Australian Bureau of statistics Industry Commission.

The Committee resolved to incorporate the following documents in the transcript of evidence:

• five questions from Senator Short under Program 1.1:

• three questions from Senator Short under Program 4.

The Committee also considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ended 30 June 1990.

The Committee concluded its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for 1989-90 for the Department of the Treasury, subject to an

undertaking by the Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasurer and officers of the Department to provide additional information to the Committee.

5. SUSPENSION OF SITTING: The sitting was suspended between 6.31 pm and 8.00 pm.

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6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.37 am.

7. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs (Chair), Bishop, O ' Chee, Short.

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1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 9.13 am in Committee Room 14. Senator Childs took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-1991: DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

The Committee resumed its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce.

In attendance was Senator the Hon. John Button, Minister for Industry, Technology and Commerce, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce -Mr N. Stevens, Deputy Secretary Dr M. Fitzpatrick, First Assistant Secretary, Light Industries Mr P. Constable, Assistant Secretary. Information Industries Dr R.G . Hawkins, First Assistant Secretary, Building and Service Industries Mr G . Hallinan, First Assistant Secretary, International Mr M. Farrow, First Assistant Secretary, Innovation Mr R. Palfreyman, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Mr I. McCay, Acting Commissioner, Patents

Australian Customs Service -Mr F . Kelly. Comptroller-General Mr D . O'Connor, Deputy Comptroller-General Ms V. Stretton, National Manager, Industry Assistance Mr F. Drury. National Manager, Import/Export Control Mr G. Steele. National Manager, Inland Revenue Mr C. Vassarotti, National Manager, Barrier Control Mr J. Conlon, National Manager, Coastwatch Mr L. Jones, National Manager, Passenger Processing Mr B. Strang. Acting National Manager, Investigation Mr P. Murphy, Head of Inspectorate

Mrs P. Bridge. Director. Budgets a nd Accounting Mr P. Harding, Assistant Director, Budget Development Mr G. Bannister. Acting National Manager, Systems

Austrade -Mr J. Bennett. Acting Deputy Managing Director Mr R. Maxwell, Group Executive, Corporate Planning and Information Systems Mr D . Fisher, Group Executive, Export Finance and Insurance Dr E. Druce, Manager. Export Strategy Division

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Department of Finance -Mr D. Baussmann, Chief Finance Officer Mr J. Hurst, Senior Finance Officer Ms V. Pearse, Senior Finance Officer, Commerce Section

The Chairman called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee:

Program 1: Program 2: Program 3:

Industry Policy and Development Customs Austrade

The Committee adjourned its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 for the Department of the Industry, Technology and Commerce to Wednesday 17 October 1990.

The Committee resolved to incorporate the following documents in the transcript of evidence:

• four questions from Senator Bishop under Sub-Program 1.6;

• two questions from Senator O'Chee under Sub-Programs 2.2 and 2.3.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 2.38 am.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs (Chair), Bishop, Burns, O'Chee. Short. Walsh.

Senator M. Baume also attended.

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17 OCTOBER 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 8.52 pm in Committee Room 16. Senator Childs took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITL'RE 1990-1991: DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCE

The Committee resumed its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce.

In attendance was Senator the Hon. Peter Cook, Minister for Industrial Relations, representing the Minister for Industry, Technology and

Commerce, accompanied by the following officers:

Austrade -Mr D. Hunter, Deputy Managing Director Mr J. Bennett, Acting Deputy Managing Director Mr R. Maxwell, Group Executive, Corporate Planning and Information

Sys tems Mr A. Mcintosh, Manager, International Operations Mr J. Tinney, Manager, National Operations Insurance Mr D . Richard, Manager, Human Resources Mr G . McClelland. Manager, Export Grants, Corporate Control Mr J. Hemphill, Manager. Corporate Communications Mr B. Friend, Manager, Finance and Administration Mr R. Wilson, Director, East Europe Market Development, International

Operations Mr I. Chesterfield, Acting Manager, International Business Development, Corporate Controls Mr P. Schultz, Manager. Light Industry, Export Strategy Mr H. Campbell, Manager, Resource Accounting, Finance and

Administration Mr R. Ausserlechner, Budgets and Estimates Officer, Finance and Administration Mr R . Freestone, Manager, International Business Development Mr R. Shepard, Manager, Innovative Agricultural Marketing Program Mr T. Williams. Project Manager, Trade and International Business

Development Mr M. Keogh, Manager, Information Systems Development, Corporate Planning and Information Systems

Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation -Mr P. Langhorne, Director, Corporate Services

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Mr R. Garrett, Manager, Corporate Finance Mr G. Upstill, Manager, Policy, Planning and Evaluation, Institute of Industrial Technologies Mr A. Pik, Manager, Planning and Policy, Institute of Natural Resources and

Environment Mr B. Walker, Acting Director, Institute of Natural Resources and Environment Mr T . Healy, Manager, Planning and Evaluation, Institute of Plant

Production and Processing Mr I. Elsum, Manager. Planning and Policy, Institute of Dr E. Heyde, Principal Secretary .

Information and Science Engineering Mr R. Lockwood, Manager, Resource Budgeting Mr G . Thompson, Assistant Manager, Resource Budgeting

Department of Finance -Mr M. Rombouts, Finance Officer Mr S. Gillett, Finance Officer Mr N. Richardson, Finance Officer

The Chairman called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for considerati"on of the Committee:

Program 3: Program 5: Austrade CSIRO

The Committee also considered expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ended 30 June 1990.

The Committee concluded its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1990-91 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for 1989-90 for the Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and officers of the

Department to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 12.00 midnight.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs (Chair), Burns, Bishop, O'Chee, Walsh.

CONFIRMED

Bruce Childs Chair

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5 NOVEMBER 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 6.08 pm in Committee Room 11. Senator Childs took the Chair.

2. MINLTES OF MEETINGS 6 TO 14: The Committee approved the minutes of meetings 6 to 14 held between 11 September 1990 and 17 October 1990.

3. USE OF VIDEOTAPES OF COMMITTEE PROCEEDINGS: The Committee resolved to approve the use of extracts from the videotapes of its hearings on 25 September and 3 October 1990 in a proposed videotaped program on the Senate committee system to be prepared by Dr John Uhr and the

Department of the Senate, subject to approval by the Committee of the final program.

4. CONSIDERATION OF DRAFT REPORT: The Committee considered a draft report circulated by the Chair and agreed to a number of amendments.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 7.05 pm after agreeing to meet again at 1.30 pm on Tuesday 6 November 1990.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs (Chair), Burns. Bishop, O'Chee, Short, Walsh.

CONFIRMED

Bruce Childs Chair

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

N0.16

6 NOVEMBER 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 1.40 pm in Committee Room 11. Senator qtilds took the Chair.

2. MINUTES OF MEETING 15: The Committee approved the minutes of meeting no. 15 held on 5 November 1990.

3. CONSIDERATION OF DRAFT REPORT: The Committee considered a draft report circulated by the Chair and agreed to a number of amendments.

4. ADOPTION OF REPORT: Senator Burns moved that the draft be adopted as a report of the Committee. The motion was carried on the casting vote of the Chair.

Senators Bishop, O 'Chee and Short indicated that they would attach a reservation to the report.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.50 pm.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs (Chair), Burns, Bishop, O ' Chee, Short, Walsh.

CERTIFIED CORRECT

Bruce Childs Chair

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

October 1990

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

On 23 August 1990 the Senate referred to the Committee:

the Particulars of proposed expenditure for the service of the year ending on 30 June

1991;

the Particulars of certain proposed expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30

June 1991; and

Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ended 30 June

1990;

relating to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and the Department of Defence.

The Committee has considered the estimates, together with the Departmental Explanatory

Notes, and has received evidence from the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade (Senator

Gareth Evans), the Minister for Defence (Senator Robert Ray) and officers of the departments

and authorities concerned.

Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings, the Hansard reports of the evidence taken, a table of

contents to the Hansard reports and a list of questions unanswered at the completion of the

public hearings are tabled for the information of the Senate. Additional information provided

in response to questions taken on notice during the Committee's consideration of the estimates

will be tabled separately in the Senate.

The Committee expresses its appreciation for the assistance of the Ministers and the officers

of the departments and authorities who appeared before it.

In May 1990 the Committee expressed concern at the processes employed by the Department

of Foreign Affairs and Trade to ensure the prompt acquittal of cash advances and the recovery

of related debt. The Department's Explanatory Notes indicate that since May unacquitted

advances have been reduced significantly and procedures tightened up (Explanatory Notes

pages 233-234). The Committee notes this improvement and will continue to monitor

progress in this matter.

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The Committee was pleased to note the inclusion by the Department of Foreign Affairs and

Trade in its Explanatory Notes of detailed information on Australia's contribution to the

funding of international organisations, following comments made in its May 1990 Report.

The inclusion of this information was indicative of a generally improved standard of format

and information in the Department's Explanatory Notes. However, some further refinements

could enhance the document's usefulness. During the hearings reference was made to the use

of unnecessarily complicated terminology when the use of 'plain english' would have

provided a more understandable explanation.

The Committee was also pleased to note the considerable improvement in the program format

of the Explanatory Notes of the Department of Defence. The Committee understands that the introduction of program management and budgeting for the department has been a complex

and difficult task and that the problem of developing satisfactory performance indicators in

policy areas is still being addressed. One specific area that was raised during the hearings

was the need to develop measures to evaluate the effectiveness of the various advertising

campaigns undertaken by the department.

The Committee was concerned that the Explanatory Notes for the Department of Defence, a

document of 448 pages, was reprinted in full due to the standard of graphics appearing on 8

pages. Although the Committee was informed that this problem was the result of printing

undertaken by the Government Printing Office and the reprinting was not at the department's

cost, the Committee believes that greater sensitivity to waste should be shown in such

situations.

Recommendation

Estimates Committee B recommends that proposed expenditure, in accordance with the

estimates referred to the Committee, be approved by the Senate.

,f Coates

(Chair)

RESERVATIONS

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I wish to reserve the following areas for further examination by the Senate:

In Programme One (Forces Executive):

United Nations peacekeeping activities Gulf deployment Operational readiness requirements Issues relating to Civilian and Service personnel numbers

In Programme Two (Navy):

Fleet Relocation study Issues relating to anti-submarine warfare capability Issues relating to mine warfare

In Programme Three (Army):

Combat forces Support forces Army Reserve Cambodia Peacekeeping Operation

In Programme Four (Air Force):

Issues relating to training and operational readiness Combat forces Issues relating to VIP aircraft Pilot Wastage In Programme Five (Strategy and Intelligence):

North West Cape Issues relating to South Pacific security co-operation Defence co-operation

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In Programme Six (Acquisition and Logistics):

ANZAC Frigates Collins Class Submarines Issues relating to Mine hunting and sweeping acquisitions

In addition, I wish to request that questions asked by me and

taken on notice by the Department be subject to further

examination by the Senate.

Yours sincerely

(PETER DURACK QC)

16 OCT 199C

PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA · THE SENATE

SENATOR ROBERT HILL LEADER O F TH E OPPOSITION ,N THF SENATE

SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS

16 October 1990

Mr Elton Humphrey Secretary Estimates B Committee The Senate Parliament House

Dear Mr Humphrey,

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Following receipt of the Minutes of Proceedings, the Hansard reports of evidence taken and copies of additional information provided by departments, I wish to advise that there are several matters raised in the course of the hearings in relation to which

I continue to have reservations. These relate to program elements 1.1, 1.3, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 6.2, 6.3.

Yours sincerely,

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ROBERT HILL

P A RLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA · THE SENATE

SENATOR JOCELYN NEWMAN SENATOR FOR TASMANIA SHADOW MINISTER FOR VETERANS' NfAIRS SHADOW MINISTER FOR DEFENCE SCIENCE AND PERSONNE L

SHADOW MINISTER ASSISTING THE LEADER O N

11th October 1990

Mr Elton Humphrey Secretary Estimates Committee B The Senate

THE STATUS OF WOMEN

Parliament House, Canberra 2600

Dear Mr Humphrey,

By way of reservation I recommend that matters affecting the questions asked by me during the hearing relating to Programmes 1 and 8, and questions asked by me and taken on notice by the

Department be subject to further examination by the Senate .

Yours sincerely,

Jocelyn Newman

Senator J. Coates, Chairman, Estimates Committee "B", The Senate, Parliament House.

Dear Senator Coates,

AUSTRALIAN SENATE CANBI f

16 October 1990.

I recommend by way of Reservation that the following matters relating to the estimates of expenditure referred to Committee "B" be further examined by the Senate:-Those subjects on which I directed written or verbal questions to the Minister or officials and which have not yet been fully responded to or require further elaboration, including the following specific subject areas -

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE:

Bilateral Relations: Human Rights- China Commonwealth Secretariat International Conventions

AIDAB:

Country Programs: Africa; Environment Assistance Program Global Programs: International Organisations Global Programs/Community & Commercial Programs: Agricultural research Community & Commercial Programs

DEFENCE

Defence Budget Comparison Deflators

Yours sincerely,

(Senator Brian Harradine)

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DOCUMENTS TABLED DURING PUBUC HEARINGS OR

PROVIDED WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE COMMITTEE

The following is a list of documents tabled during the public hearings or provided to the Committee with additional information but which are too voluminous for reproduction as part of the volumes of additional information.

The documents have been included as an attachment to the tabled copy of the Committee's report.

Department of Defence

The Defence Corporate Plan 90-94.

Key Changes in Defence Decision Making and Budgeting Systems under Program Management and Budgeting.

Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade

World Population essay competition - Background information sent to students.

Newspaper articles based upon alleged leaks referred to by Senator Hill.

Australian International Development Assistance Bureau

AIDAB- NGO Co-operation Program- Annual Report 1989-90

Country Papers -Lao PDR - April 1988 Laos - March 1989 Thailand - October 1988 Thailand - October 1989

Evaluation Reports -Railway Development in Indonesia - 1990 No. 1 Purse Seiner Fishing Vessels: Solomon Islands - 1990 No. 3

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO.4

Tuesday, 11 September 1990

1. PUBLIC MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 4.07 p.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 14. Senator Coates took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-91 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1989-90- DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE: In attendance: Senator Gareth Evans, Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade

Mr G.J. Forrester

Mr C.O.F. Hogue

Mr R.C. Smith

Mr C.R. Jones

Mr G.S. Wood

Mr J. McCarthy

Mr M. Hughes

MrD. Kenyon

First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Management Division

First Assistant Secretary, Asia North, East and South East Division

First Assistant Secretary, Pacific, Africa, Middle East and South Asia Division

First Assistant Secretary, Disannament, Security and Nuclear Division

First Assistant Secretary, Americas and Europe Division

First Assistant Secretary, International Organisations and Legal Division

First Assistant Secretary Systems Programs and Consular Division

Principal Adviser, Multilateral Trade Division

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Miss R. McGovern Principal Adviser, Corporate Management Division

Dr R.S. Merrillees Assistant Secretary, International Organisations and Legal Division

Mr I. Forsyth Assistant Secretary,

Trade Competitiveness and Development

Mr J.E. Buckley Assistant Secretary,

Resources and Liaison Branch

Mr D. Woodhouse Director,

Budget and Resources Section

Australian International Development Assistance Bureau

Dr R.B.M. Dun

Dr P. McCawley

Mr T.E. Terrell

Mr J.S . Holloway

Mr R. Stensholt

Mr J. Russell

Mr E. Huning

Mr M. Kelly

Mr J. Weame

Mr T. Seddon

Mr E. Ingevics

Director General

Deputy Director General, Community, Commercial and International Programs Division

Deputy Director General, Country Programs Division

Deputy Director General, Policy, Planning and Management Division

Assistant Director General, Appraisal, Evaluation and Sectoral Studies Branch

Assistant Director General Policy Branch

Assistant Director General Financial and Resource Management Branch

Director, Corporate Planning and Effectiveness Review Section

Acting Director, Finance Accounting and Management Support Section

Manager, Finance Accounting and Management Support Section

Assistant Director General, Community Emergency and Refugees Programs Branch

Ms A. O'Keefe

Mr M. Dolan

Mr M. Proctor

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Director, Refugees and Disaster Co-ordination Section

Director, International Financial Institutions Section

Director, Commercial Programs and Business Liaison Section

Australian Centre for International Agricultural Research

Mr G.H.L. Rothschild

Mr A. Barden

Mr R. Riches

Department of Finance

Mr E.J. Williams

Director

Manager, Corporate Services

Budget Officer (Projects)

Chief Finance Officer, Attorney-General's and Crime Branch

The Chair called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration by the Committee. The expenditures proposed for these programs are contained in the Particulars of proposed expenditure documents -

Program 1 Program 2 Program 3 Program 4 Program 5

- Bilateral Relations - Trade Relations and Economic Issues - Global Issues - Public Affairs - Aid

The Committee suspended its consideration of Program 5.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.36 p.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Coates (Chair), Devereux, Hill, Newman, Olsen and Schacht.

Senators Chapman, Colston, Crane, Harradine and Vallentine also attended.

CONFIRMED:

1.J:hn Coates (Chair)

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

N0.5

Tuesday, 18 September 1990

1. PUBLIC MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 3.37 p.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 14. Senator Coates took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-91 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1989-90- DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE: In attendance: Senator Gareth Evans, Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade

Mr G.J. Forrester

Mr M. Hughes

Miss R. McGovern

Mr D.J. Kingsrnill

Mr D. Woodhouse

Mr E.S . Radclyffe

Mr C. Tyrnes

First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Management Division

First Assistant Secretary, Systems Programs and Consular Division

Principal Adviser, Corporate Management Division

Chief of Protocol, Protocol Branch

Director, Budget and Resources Section

Director, Passports Operations Section

Executive Officer, Budget and Resources Section

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Australian International Development Assistance Bureau

Dr R.B.M. Dun

Dr P. McCawley

Mr C.E.T. Terrell

Mr J.S. Holloway

Mr R. Stensholt

Mr J. Russell

Mr R. Casson

Mr E. Huning

Mr J. Weame

Mr T. Seddon

Mr E. Ingevics

Ms A. O'Keefe

Mr M. Dolan

Mr M. Proctor

Director General

Deputy Director General, Community, Commercial and International Programs Division

Deputy Director General, Country Programs Division

Deputy Director General, Policy, Planning and Management Division

Assistant Director General, Appraisal, Evaluation and Sectoral Studies Branch

Assistant Director General Policy Branch

Assistant Director General Asia, Africa and Bilateral Co-ordination Branch

Assistant Director General Financial and Resource Management Branch

Acting Director, Finance Accounting and Management Support Section

Manager, Finance Accounting and Management Support Section

Assistant Director General, Community, Emergency and Refugees Programs Branch

Director, Refugees and Disaster Co-ordination Section

Director, International Financial Institutions Section

Director, Commercial Programs and Business Liaison Section

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Australian Centre for International Agricultural Research

Mr G.H.L. Rothschild

Dr J. Ryan

Mr A. Barden

Mr R. Riches

Department of Finance

Mr A. Moss

Mr A. Baker

Director

Deputy Director

Manager, Corporate Services

Budget Officer (Projects)

Assistant Director Foreign Affairs and Trade Section

Foreign Affairs and Trade Section

The Committee resumed its examination of the Department's estimates.

The Chair called on the following programs for consideration by the Committee. The expenditures proposed for these programs are contained in the Particulars of proposed expenditure documents:

Program 5 - Aid Program 6 - Corporate and Public services

The Committee received the following documents:

Australia-China technical cooperation program - Project profile list (answer to question by Senator Hill).

Eastern Universities Project - Indonesia (answer to question by Senator Olsen).

World Population Essay Competition - background information.

List of audits performed 1989-90.

Medical and Hospital expenses overseas- DFAT administrative circular, 6 August 1990.

Locally engaged staff- DFAT/DILGEA.

Investigation of allegations of maladministration - DF AT administrative circular, 7 September 1990.

List of alleged leaks referred to by Senator Hill.

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade subject to undertakings to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-91 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1989-90 - DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE: In attendance: Senator Robert Ray, Minister for Defence, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Defence

Vice Admiral A.L. Beaumont Vice Chief of Defence Force

Air Vice-Marshal H.J. Roser Assistant Chief Defence Force Personnel

Rear Admiral R.G. Taylor Assistant Chief Defence Force Operations

Major General J .M. Sanderson Assistant Chief Defence Force Development

Air Vice-Marshal M.D. Miller Surgeon General Australian Defence Force

Cdre C.J. Littleton Director General,

Natural Disasters Organisation

Brigadier S.N. Gower Director General, Public Information

Brigadier D.L.H. Buring Director General Service Conditions

Mr K.E. Dean Director Budget and Financial Services,

ADFA

Mr W.J. Kirkby-Jones Defence Housing Authority

Mr L. Milkovits Defence Housing Authority

Mr J. Roser Defence Housing Authority

Rear Admirali.D.G. MacDougall Deputy Chief of Naval Staff

Mr G.J. Hansen Assistant Secretary,

Resources Planning, Navy

Major-General P.M. Jeffrey Deputy Chief of the General Staff

Brigadier I.G.A. Macinnis Director General, Coordination and Organisation, Army

Mr M.F. Taylor

Air Vice-Marshal T.W. O'Brien

Air Commodore R. Richardson

Mr K. Moore

Mr R.N. McLeod

Mr A.G. Thompson

Mr F.R. Harvey

Mr D.C. Templeman

Mr P. Skinner

Air Commodore J.H. Dunn

Mr A.D. Powell

Mr M.J. McNamara

Air Commodor D.A. Tidd

Major General D. Francis

Rear Admiral A. Hunt

Mr R. Thomas

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Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning, Army

Deputy Chief of the Air Staff

N Assistant Chief Personnel, Air Force

Assistant Seceretary, Resources Planning, Air Force

Deputy Secretary, Budget and Management

First Assistant Secretary, Human Resource Division

Inspector General

Assistant Secretary, Productivity and Manpower (representing FASMIMP)

Assistant Secretary, Military Superannuation Benefit Scheme Implementation Team

Director General, Recruiting

Deputy Secretary Acquisition and Logistics

A/Principal Adviser, Logistics Policy

NAssistant Chief of Material, Air Force

Assistant Chief of Material, Army

Assistant Chief of Material, Navy

First Assistant Secretary, Capital Equipment Program

Mr M.H. lves

MrD.D. Wood

Mr G . Tuisk

Mr P. Hider

Dr P. Dibb

Mr M. Brady

Mr S. Merchant

Mr R.G. Brabin-Smith

Mr H.A. d'Assumpcao

Mr P . Lush

Mr G.F. Jones

Mr R. Tonkin

Mr R.B. Anderson

Ms K. Norris

Department of Finance

Mr A. T. Pearson

Mr S.G. Somlyay

Mr G .C. Van Dijk

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First Assistant Secretary, Industry Policy and Operations

A/First Assistant Secretary, Project Development and Communications

Principal Advisor, Contracts

Deputy Secretary, Strategic and Intelligence

First Assistant Secretary, Force Development and Analysis Division

International Policy

First Assistant Secretary, Strategic and Policy Co-ordination

Chief Defence Scientist

.Assistant Secretary, Science Corporate Management

First Assistant Secretary, Resources and Financial Programs Division

Assistant Secretary, Financial Programs

Assistant Director, Budget Development

Estimates Officer, Economic Analysis and Support

Chief Finance Officer, Defence Policy

Chief Finance Officer Defence Pay and Conditions

Senior Finance Officer Estimates ___________ _

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The Chair called on the following programs for consideration by the Committee. The expenditures proposed for these programs are contained in the Particulars of proposed expenditure documents:

Program 1 - Forces Executive Program 2 - Navy Program 3 - Army Program 4 - Airforce

The Committee, having deferred final consideration of these programs, suspended its examination of the Department' s estimates.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 11.04 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Coates (Chair), Devereux, Durack, Hill, Newman, Olsen and Schacht.

Senators Chapman, Crowley, Harradine and Vallentine also attended.

CONFIRMED:

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(Chair)

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

N0.6

Friday, 21 September 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 9.35 a.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 14. Senator Coates took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-91 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1989-90 - DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE: In attendance: Senator Robert Ray, Minister for Defence, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Defence

Vice Admiral A.L. Beaumont Vice Chief of Defence Force

Air Vice-Marshal H.J. Roser Assistant Chief Defence Force Personnel

Rear Admiral R.G. Taylor Assistant Chief Defence Force Operations

Major General J.M. Sanderson Assistant Chief Defence Force Development

Air Vice-Marshal M.D. Miller Surgeon General Australian Defence Force

Cdre C.J. Littleton Director General,

Natural Disasters Organisation

Brigadier S.N. Gower Director General, Public Information

Brigadier D.L.H. Buring Director General Service Conditions

Mr K.E. Dean Director Budget and Financial Services,

ADFA

Mr W.J. Kirkby-Jones Defence Housing Authority

Mr L. Milkovits Defence Housing Authority

Mr J. Roser Defence Housing Authority

Rear Admiral I.D.G. MacDougall Deputy Chief of Naval Staff

Mr G.J. Hansen

Major-General P.M. Jeffrey

Brigadier I.G.A. Macinnis

Mr M.F. Taylor

Air Vice-Marshal T .W. O'Brien

Air Commodore R. Richardson

Mr K. Moore

Mr R.N. McLeod

Mr A.G. Thompson

Mr F.R. Harvey

Mr D.C. Templeman

Mr P. Skinner

Air Commodore J .H. Dunn

Mr A.D. Powell

Mr M.J. McNamara

Air Commodor D.A. Tidd

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Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning, Navy

Deputy Chief of the General Staff

Director General, Coordination and Organisation, Army

Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning, Army

Deputy Chief of the Air Staff

NAssistant Chief Personnel, Air Force

Assistant Seceretary, Resources Planning, Air Force

Deputy Secretary, Budget and Management

First Assistant Secretary, Human Resource Division

Inspector General

Assistant Secretary, Productivity and Manpower (representing FASMIMP)

Assistant Secretary, Military Superannuation Benefit Scheme Implementation Team

Director General, Recruiting

Deputy Secretary Acquisition and Logistics

NPrincipal Adviser, Logistics Policy

N Assistant Chief of Material, Air Force

Major General D. Francis

Rear Admiral A. Hunt

Mr R. Thomas

Mr M.H. Ives

MrD.D. Wood

Mr G. Tuisk

Mr P. Hider

Dr P. Dibb

Mr M. Brady

Dr R. W. Cottrill

Mr R.G. Brabin-Smith

Mr H. A. d' Assumpcao

Mr P. Lush

Mr G.F. Jones

Mr R. Tonkin

Mr R.B. Anderson

Ms K. Norris

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Assistant Chief of Material, Army

Assistant Chief of Material, Navy

First Assistant Secretary, Capital Equipment Program

First Assistant Secretary, Facilities and Property Division

First Assistant Secretary, Industry Policy and Operations

A/First Assistant Secretary, Project Development and Communications

Principal Advisor, Contracts

Deputy Secretary, Strategic and Intelligence

First Assistant Secretary, Force Development and Analysis Division

First Assistant Secretary, International Policy

First Assistant Secretary, Strategic and Policy Co-ordination

Chief Defence Scientist

Assistant Secretary, Science Corporate Management

First Assistant Secretary, Resources and Financial Programs Division

Assistant Secretary, Financial Programs

Assistant Director, Budget Development

Estimates Officer, Economic Analysis and Support

Department of Finance

Mr A. T. Pearson

Mr S.G. Somlyay

Mr G.C. Van Dijk

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Chief Finance Officer, Defence Policy

Chief Finance Officer Defence Pay and Conditions

Senior Finance Officer Defence Estimates

The Committee resumed its examination of the Department's estimates.

The Chair called on the following programs, including those programs deferred from 18 September, for consideration by the Committee. The expenditures proposed for these programs are contained in the Particulars of proposed expenditure documents:

Program 1 - Forces Executive Program 2 - Navy Program 3 - Army Program 4 - Airforce

Program 5 - Strategic and Intelligence Program 6 - Acquisition and Logistics Program 7 -Budget and Management Program 8 - Science and Technology

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Defence, subject to undertakings to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.24 p.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Coates (Chair), Devereux, Durack and Schacht. Apologies were received from Senators Newman and Olsen.

Senator Vallentine also attended.

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

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Tuesday, 16 October 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 1.48 p.m. in the advisers waiting area adjacent to the Senate Chamber. Senator Coates took the Chair.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: The Minutes of meetings held on 11 , 18 and 21 September (Nos 4, 5 and 6) were confirmed.

3. DRAFT REPORT: The Committee resolved that the Chairman's draft report be adopted, subject to the inclusion of further reservations.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.50 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Coates (Chair), Durack, Hill and Newman. Apologies were received from Senators Devereux, Olsen and Schacht.

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TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR HANSARD

OF PUBUC HEARINGS

Tuesday, 11 September 1990

Tuesday, 18 September 1990

Friday, 21 September 1990

135

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

Issues raised during Committee hearings held on 11, 18 and 21 September 1990. (page references, Hansard, Estimates Committee B)

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE

PROGRAM 1: BILATERAL RELATIONS

1.1 Relations with North, East, and South East Asia Constructive partnership with Japan Defence relationship with Japan The Kuril chain Site for the Multi-Function Polis Japanese financial contribution to Indo-China settlement

Assistance to China Tiananmen Square Human rights in China Diplomatic representation in Phnom Penh

Bilateral aid program for Vietnam United Nations Observer Group in Cambodia Whitlam trip to China Human rights concerns raised by Minister Blewett Comprehensive review of Taiwan Trade access issues with Taiwan

Staffing of ACIO office in Taipai Commercial airline negotiations with Taiwan Re-naming the Far East Trading Company Indo-China trade The Marconi contract Philippines Assistance Plan Myanmar- possible UN action US bases in the Philippines

1.2 Relations with Americas and Europe Soviet and Eastern European Studies program French bicentennial gift US Farm Bill Funding for Embassy in Prague/Consulate-General in Berlin French testing on nuclear weapons Education materials for Lithuania

1.3 Relations with South Pacific, Africa, Middle East and South Asia Bouganville Relationship with Fiji Ethiopia and Eritrea

Page No.

2

3-4 5

6

6

7

8

8-9 10 10

10-11 12 13 14

14-15 16 16 17 17 17

18 18 19

20 20 20 21 22 22

23

23-24 25

136

Cost of helping Australian citizens leave Kuwait and Iraq Financial support for PNG Torres Strait and immigration Job application for the Forum Fisheries Agency Independent centre to study the South African economy Chief Buthelezi and Nelson Mandela Sale of Mirage aircraft to Pakistan Government - industry conference on chemical weapons New Zealand policy development in foreign affairs South Pacific Forum Israel - PLO dialogue

PROGRAM 2 - TRADE RELATIONS AND ECONOMIC ISSUES Iron ore shipments to China Trans-Tasman shipping costs FAO, UNIDO and ESCAP GA TI trade policy review mechanism The Uruguay Round and agricultural products Australian policy on Third World debt

PROGRAM 3 - GLOBAL ISSUES Proliferation of nuclear weapons UNESCO The Nauru case The Portugal case The Commonwealth Foundation PNG Exclusion zone around Bouganville Expenditure on the raising of human rights issues Trade development zone in Darwin Involuntary repatriation Increase in funding for the Commonwealth Secretariat UN Conventions on the Rights of the child and on the Elimination

of Discrimination Against Women SITA Drafting of an international drug strategy

PROGRAM 4 -PUBLIC AFFAIRS Monitoring of speeches Administrative expenses Australian mini-series - sales to S.E. Asia

PROGRAM 5 -AID

5.1 Country Programs China - ultrasound machines

25 26 26 27 27 28

28-29 30 30 31 32

32 33 33 34 34 34

35

36-37 38 38 39 40 40 41 42 43

44-49 50 51

51 52 52

53-61

137

Foreign aid to NGOs Bilateral aid program in Indonesia Monitoring of the benefits of the Country Program The Mekong River bridge project Japanese development programs in the South Pacific Other regional programs Ehtiopian program Kenyan program Cuts in aid to Africa programs Western Europe and aid to Africa Cuts to the aid budget Development Assistance Committee report to the OECD Solomon Islands fishing boats project New DIFF procedures Equity and merit scholarships scheme

5.2 Global Programs Emergency aid in the Middle East International Fund for Agricultural Development International agricultural research organisations Australian Volunteers Abroad Development education

5.3 Corporate Services Major field evaluations

PROGRAM 6: CORPORATE AND PUBLIC SERVICES

6.I Executive Management Corporate support (staffing) Review of the Corporate Management Division Redundancy program

6.2 Corporate Services Internal auditors Passports - illegal issue of Visas - illegal issue of

6.3 Overseas Support Services Staff salaries Health cover on overseas postings Locally engaged staff

Fraud Leakage of classified departmental documents Procedures for the funding of locally engaged staff TELLER computerised accounting system Industrial action - increased rent and utilities contribution Executive management outcomes

62 63 63 64 65 65

66 66 70 71 72

73-75 76-77 78 79-80

81 82 82 83 83

85

86 87 88

89-90 91 92

93-94 95-96 97-98 99-101

102

103-104 105-106 107 107

138

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE

GENERAL Structure review of higher ADF staff arrangements Review of regional offices Defence corporate plan

PROGRAM I: FORCES EXECUTIVE

1.1 Operations and Plans United Nations peacekeeping duties Gulf deployment HMAS Stuart decommission Kangaroo 89 Operational readiness requirements Operation Visitation to Gallipoli Combined exercise program Operation Immune

Page No.

150-151 151-152 152

110-111 , 162

111-112,153-157,158-159 157-158,172 159-160 160-161

161-162 162

162-164

Joint Warfare Establishment/Joint Maritime Warfare Centre amalgamation 164

1.2 Military Strategic and Force Development Civilian positions Development Division ADF long-range plan

1.3 Personnel Variations in rank composition and mix Reserve advertising campaign Resettlement provisions Administration of conditions of service Family support services J ans report on personnel policy Employment of DFRDB recipients ADF family census Port Wakefield allowance HMAS Torrens refit Performance based pay Sanderson review Cross report Disturbance allowance Gallantry awards Defence personnel database

1.4 Health Policy and Services Asbestos inquiry Military compensation scheme

113

164-165 165-167

113

113-115 115-116 116 116-121

121 121

121-122 122-123 123,157 123-124 124-125 125-128

128

167-169 169

128-129 129-130

1.6 Natural Disasters and Civil Defence 1990 Floods

139

1.8 Defence Force Retirement and Death Benefits MSBS report Retention measures

1.9 Defence Housing Funding reduction Fraud allegations - Tindal Loans scheme

PROGRAM 2: NAVY Navy structure - logistics support Manpower reduction Achievements under project streamline Computer modelling for manpower Education allowance Streaming of officers Victualling allowance Navy Reserve Fleet relocation study

Antisubmarine capability Seahawk program Minesweeping tug acquisition Mine-hunter operation Reduction in cash holdings Permanent Navy recruitment

Voyager compensation Submarine repairs

PROGRAM 3: ARMY Combat forces ratio Army structure - logistics support Australian individual emergency reserve Training and combat readiness

Army Reserve Education allowance Streaming of officers Proposed expenditure reductions

Cambodia peacekeeping preparation LA V25 wheeled armoured fighting vehicles Squirrel training helicopter Killarney Glen Land Warfare Centre

170-171

131 132

132

132-133 133-134

134 134

134-135 135 135

135-136 136 136,176 171-173

173

173-174 174-175 175,205-206 175-176

176-177 177-178 178

136-137 137

137-138

138,180-185,186 138-141,179 141 141

179 179

185-186 186-187 187

PROGRAM 4: AIR FORCE Performance indicators VIP flights Macquarie Island operations Australia-Indonesia airman talks Curtin RAAF base - civilian use Proposed Cape York base

4.1 Combat Forces Reduction in flying time - FA18 and F111 Reduction in fuel requirements Fill pilot training Pilot wastage No. 25 Macchi Squadron Air defence support flying Maritime patrol groups

4.2 Executive Increase in appropriation Education allowance Streaming of officers

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PROGRAM 5: STRATEGY AND INTELLIGENCE Woomera rocket range upgrade Geraldton communications station North West Cape Maritime surveillance of Fiji fishing zone Australia-Japan defence talks Australia-Papua New Guinea defence cooperation Defence Signals Directorate Pacific patrol boats

PROGRAM 6: ACQUISITION AND LOGISTICS Fraud allegations ANZAC frigates Catamaran mine-hunters Withdrawal of tariff exemptions Nomad support program

PROGRAM 7: BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT Program budgeting Explanatory Notes presentation Performance indicators

187-188 190

191-192 192 193

193-194

141-142,188 188 188 189, 194

189

189-190 192

142

142-143 142-143

148,150

149,179,199-200 149,196-198,199 195 195-196

196

198-199 200-201

201-203 203-205 205-206 206

207

207-208 208-209 209

141

PROGRAM 8: SCIENCE AND TECHNOWGY DSTO commercialisation of inventions FA18 crash HMAS Cook decommission

A WAC aircraft jamming

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UST OF QUESTIONS

UNANSWERED AT THE COMPLETION

OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

List of questions on notice from Committee hearings held on 11, 18 and 21 September 1990 (Updated to 17 October 1990)

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE:

Senator Date to Dept/ Subject Date

Hansard Page No. Received

Short 5-9-1990/p.86 Departmental mailing lists

*Answer from DFAT 9-10-1990

* Answer from AIDAB 10-10-1990

Short 5-9-1990/p.86 Committees of inquiry

*Answer from DFAT 9-10-1990

* Answer from A/DAB 10-10-1990

Short 5-9-1990/p.86 Promotional projects

*Answer from DFAT 9-10-1990

* Answer from A/DAB 10-10-1990

Short 5-9-1990/p.86 Grants to trade unions and community groups

*Answer from DFAT 9-10-1990

* Answer from A/DAB 10-10-1990

Short 5-9-1990/p.86 Research studies and opinion polls

*Answer from DFAT 9-10-1990

* Answer from A/DAB 10-10-1990

Short 5-9-1990/p.86 Board representatives

*Answer from DFAT * Answer from A/DAB 10-10-1990

Provided to Senator

9-10-1990 10-10-1990

9-10-1990 10-10-1990 U1

9-10-1990 10-10-1990

9-10-1990 10-10-1990

9-10-1990 10-10-1990

9-10-1990 10-10-1990

Senator Date to Dept/ Subject Date Provided

Hansard Page No. Received to Senator

Short 6-9-1990/p.86 MIS/ADP/lT employment

*Answer from DFAT 9-10-1990 9-10-1990

* Answer from A/DAB 10-10-1990 10-10-1990 Short 7 -9-1990/p.86 Departmental committees *Answer from DFAT 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 * Answer from A/DAB 10-10-1990 10-10-1990 Bishop 11-9-1990/p.86 ANOP contracts since 1983 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Harradine 11-9-1990/p.S Tiananmen Square/how many killed? 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Harradine 11-9-1990/p.S Tiananmen Square/how many gaoled? 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Harradine 11-9-1990/p.S Tiananmen Square/tightening of controls/workers 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Harradine 11-9-1990/p.9 Regulations in Shanghai/quota of births 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Hill ll-9-1990/p.13 Human rights concerns - Dr Blewett 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Hill 11-9-1990/p.14 Comprehensive review of Taiwan 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 ..... Hill 11-9-1990/pp.15-16 Wheat access - Taiwan 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 0'1 Hill 11-9-1990/p.16 Access to Aust. fresh fruit in Taiwan 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Hill 11-9-1990/p.18 Vietnam - telecommunications contract 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Harradine 11-9-1990/p.IS Economic reform in the Philippines Schacht 11-9-1990/p.25 EPLF - UN ship and Massawa 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Hill 11-9-1990/p.27 Centre for the Study of South African Economy 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Olsen 11-9-1990/pp.32-33 Trade with the PRC 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Olsen 11-9-1990/p.33 Trans-Tasman shipping route 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Schacht 11-9-1990/pAO Commonwealth Foundation evaluation 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Schacht 11-9-1990/p.41 Human rights - representations made 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Harradine 11-9-1990/p.43 Commonwealth Secretariat 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Hill 11-9-1990/p.44 Commonwealth Secretariat 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Harradine 11-9-1990/p.47 Supervisory committee for Convention Harradine 11-9-1990/p.48 UN Convention - Discrimination against women 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 Harradine 11-9-1990/p.48 UN Convention - Seminar in Cook Islands 9-10- 1990 9-10-1990

Senator Date to Dept/ Subject Date Provided

Hansard Page No. Received to Senator

Schacht 11-9-1990/p.52 Japanese special visits program 9-10-1990 9-10-1990

Hill 11 -9-1990/p.SS Projects in China - Australia' s contribution

Harradine 11 -9-1990/p.SS Health study team - ultrasound equipment 10/10/1990 10/10/1990

Harradine 11-9-1990/p.56 Ultrasound machines - IUD detection 10/10/1990 10/10/1990

Olsen 11 -9-1990/p.63 Signing ceremony for Eastern Universities project 10/10/1990 10/10/1990

Harradine 18-9-1990/p.80 Program 5 - Aid - Series of questions

Vallentine 18-9-1990/p.81 Kuwaiti aid for refugees

Harradine 18-9-1990/p.81 Environment Assistance Program

Harradine 18-9-1990/p.82 Bangladesh program - World Bank

Harradine 18-9-1990/p.82 India - World Bank projects

Chapman 18-9-1990/p.85 Field evaluations - copies of reports

Hill 18-9-1990/p.87 Corporate Mgt Division external evaluation plan

Hill 18-9-1990/p.90 Qualifications of auditors 9-10-1990 9-10-1990 f-'

Hill 18-9-1990/pp.90-91 List of audits from last year 9-10-1990 9-10-1990

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Hill 18-9-1990/p.93 Lagos visas - improper distribution 9-10-1990 9-10-1990

Hill 18-9-1990/p.93 Issuing of visas in Hong Kong 9-10-1990 9-10-1990

Crowley 18-9-1990/p.97 Health insurance system 9-10-1990 9-10-1990

Hill 18-9-1990/pp.100-101 Fraud cases circular 9-10-1990 9-10-1990

Hill 18-9- 1990/p.1 02 AFP investigations of fraud · 9-10-1990 9-10-1990

Chapman 18-9-1990/p.1 04 Locally engaged staff 9-10-1990 9-10-1990

Hill 18-9-1990/p.1 05 Officers ' revolutionary council committee (fraud) 9-10-1990 9-10-1990

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE:

Senator

Short Short Short Short Short

Short Short Short Bishop

Tambling Tambling Tambling Tambling

Tambling Tambling Tambling Harradine

Harradine Newman Newman Newman

Newman Newm an Newm an Schac ht

Newman

Date to Dept/ Hansard Page No.

5-9-1990/p.210 5-9-1990/p.210 5-9-1990/p.21 0 5-9-1990/p.210 5-9-1990/p.21 0

5-9-1990/p.210 6-9-1990/p.21 0 7 -9-1990/p.21 0 ll-9-1990/p.21 0

13-9-1990/p.210 13-9-1990/p.21 0 13-9-1990/p.210 13-9-1990/p.21 0

14-9-1990/p.210 14-9-1990/p.210 14-9-1990/p.210 18-9-1990/p.210

18-9-1990/p.21 0 18-9-1990/p.ll 0 18-9-1990/p.112 18-9-1990/pp.119-120

18-9-1990/p.l23 18-9-1990/p .124 18-9-1990/p.133 18-9-1990/p.134

18-9-1990/p.135

Subject

Departmental mailing lists Committees of inquiry Promotional projects Grants to trade unions and community groups

Research studies and opinion polls Board representatives MIS/ADP/IT employment Departmental committees

ANOP contracts since 1983 Joint Defence Research Space Facility Jindalee-over-the-Horizon radar 2nd Cavalry Regiment facilities construction

Hercules aircraft maintenance Supply of aviation fuel at RAAF base Tindal Housing at RAAF base Tindal Conversion of P3 Orion to A WAC capabilities Defence budget comparison deflators

Allocation of resources - percentage of GDP Cost of airfares - UN peacekeeping Iran-Iraq Legal position of personneVGeneva Convention Education allowance for members overseas

HMAS Torrens refit Performance based pay Quakers Hill Defe nce Force home demolition Combat forces ratio

Education allowance - Navy

Date Received

Provided to Senator

Senator Date to Dept/ Subject Date Provided

Hansard Page No. Received to Senator

Newman 18-9-1990/p.143 Cambodia- UN force

Newman 18-9-1990/p.l43 Gulf deployment

Newman 18-9-1990/p.l43 Civilians employed in Canberra

Newman 18-9-1990/p.143 Defence Family Support Funding Program

Newman 18-9-1990/p.143 Pay-related allowances review

Newman 18-9-1990/p.l43 DFRT

Newman 18-9-1990/p.l44 Major Reviews

Newman 18-9-1990/p.l44 AD FILS

Newman 18-9-1990/p.l44 JSSC and foreign students

Newman 18-9-1990/p.144 Allowances to the DFRT

Newman 18-9-1990/p.144 Legal Aid

Newman 18-9-1990/p.144 Cadets

Newman 18-9-1990/p.144 Increased size of print runs

Newman 18-9-1990/p.l44 Defence housing 1-' ,..

Newman 18-9-1990/p.144 Use of civilian airlines in Kangaroo '89 1.0

Newman 18-9-1990/p.144 Training provided to non-RAAF

Newman 18-9-1990/p.145 Increase in travel allowance

Newman 18-9-1990/p.145 Recruiting shortfalls

Newman 18-9-1990/p.145 Expenditure in last month financial year

Newman 18-9-1990/p.145 Freedom of Information

Newman 18-9-1990/p.145 Increase in administrative expenses

Newman 18-9-1990/p.l45 Finance

Newman 18-9-1990/p.145 DSTO

Newman 18-9-1990/p.l45-146 Aeronautical research

Newman 18-9-1990/p.146 Electronic warfare software

Newman 18-9-1990/p.146 Information Technology analysis - K89

Newman 18-9-1990/p.146 Electronic surveillance and targeting/FFG-7

Newman 18-9-1990/p.l46 Chemical decontamination system

Newman 18-9-1990/p.146 Combatant protection

Senator Date to Dept/

Hansard Page No.

Newman 18-9-1990/p.146

Vallentine 21-9-1990/p.150

Vallentine 21-9-1990/p.150

Vallentine 21-9-1990/p.150

Vallentine 21-9-1990/p.150

Vallentine 21-9-1990/p.150

Vallentine 21-9-1990/p.150

Vallentine 21-9-1990/p.150

Vallentine 21-9-1990/p.150

Vallentine 21-9-1990/p.150

Vallentine 21-9-1990/p.150

Vallentine 21 -9-1990/p.150

Vallentine 21-9-1990/p.150

Durack 21 -9-1990/p.174

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187

Durack 21-9-1990/p.l87

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187

Durack 21-9- 1990/p.187

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187

Durack 21-9-1990/p.187 -188

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200

Subject

Improved ballistic protection - LA V 25 Gulf deployment RAN personnel involved in PPB program New submarines Overseas trainees

Definition of a defence expert Defence exports Defence exhibitions DoD staff employed on Jervis Bay site program Geraldton Communications Station DSTO - W oomera rocket/missile range

North West Cape Ministerial Gulf visits Medium harbour tugs Staff directives and training directives

Date Received

Army support area communication information system Committee for Employer Support for Reserve Forces ADF line haul service Fleet availability of Defence leased assets Procurement of ammunition costs Combat rations Commercial vehicle ownership and disposal Civilian casual labour Squirrel training helicopters Graduations from RMC towards requirements

Body armour 110 Series Landrover (Project Perentie) Aircraft capability reports Pacific patrol boat project

Provided to Senator

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Senator Date to Dept/ Subject Date Provided

Hansard Page No. Received to Senator

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 FYDP - New Major Investment Program

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Equipment and stores/capital equipment budget

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Unapproved budget allocations

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Airforce activities according to functional groups

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Operation Immune and fuel stocks

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Reduction in allowance for replacement stores

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Aircraft operational training and other activity

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 VIP flights

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Maritime Patrol Group

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Exercise Short Haul

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Tactical Transport Group

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Introduction of air-to-air refuelling - B707

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Air Intelligence Centre

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Funding for Air Force facilities U1

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 AEW&C .....

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 F-111 dieseVreseal program

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Fuel stocks

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Training courses - general

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Training courses - pilot basic

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Recruiting shortfall

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Training cost elements

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Planning for air field - Cape York Peninsula

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Cost control on the ANZAC Frigate Project

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Civilian contractors - Jindalee

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Defence cooperation - country by country

Durack 21 -9-1990/p.200 ANZAC ship tenders

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 ANZAC frigate and Collins submarine projects

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Steyr rifle

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Landmark dates in the evolution of projects

Senator Date to Dept/ Subject Date Provided

Hansard Page No. Received to Senator

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Disposal of Centurion tanks

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Rationalisation of ammunition management

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Cooperative Defence Logistic Support Agreement

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Maintenance contract for ANTASS 6

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Defence facilities repairs - variation in estimate

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Defence export earnings

Durack 21-9-1990/p.200 Defence logistics redevelopment

Durack 21-9-1990/p.206 US Defense military sales

Durack 21-9-1990/p.209 Legal expenses

Durack 21-9-1990/p.209 Other administrative costs

Durack 21-9-1990/p.209 Transfer of SES positions

Durack 21-9-1990/p.209 Payment of bills

Durack 21-9-1990/p.209 Equipment and stores .... Durack 21-9-1990/p.209 Increased training expenditure (JI N Durack 21-9-1990/p.209 Office automation support system Newman 21-9-1990/p.209 FSRP Newman 21-9-1990/p.210 DEFMIS Newman 21-9-1990/p.21 0 Drug testing Newman 21-9-1990/p.210 Gulf mail - Customs inspections Newman 21-9-1990/p.210 Compensation- ComcareNeterans' Affairs Newman 21-9-1990/p.21 0 Ministerial stationary Newman 21-9-1990/p.210 Geneva Conventions Durick 21-9-1990/p.212 Aeronautical research Durack 21-9-1990/p.212 Materials research Durack 21-9- 1990/p.212 Special purpose flights Durack 21 -9-1990/p.212 Programs and budgeting

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AUSTRALIAN SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMI'ITEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

OCTOBER 1990

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee C presents its Report to the Senate.

Introduction

1. On 23 August 1990 the Senate referred to the Committee:

(1) That the Particulars of proposed expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1991 in relation to the Parliamentary Departments, the Particulars of proposed expenditure for the service of the year ending on 30 June 1991 and the Particulars

of certain proposed expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1991 be referred forthwith to estimates committees for examination and report.

(2) That expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ended 30 June 1990 be referred to estimates committees for examination and report prior to its consideration in committee of the whole.

(3) That the committees consider Proposed expenditure and departmental expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance in estimates committee groupings agreed to by resolution of the Senate of 9 May 1990.

(4) That the committees report to the Senate on or before Friday 19 October 1990.

The Departments relating to Estimates C are:

The Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories; The Department of Social Security; The Departrr.ent of Community Services and Health; and The Department of Veterans' Affairs.

2. The Committee met on 11, 18, 20, 21, 25 September and 12 October 1990 to examine the estimates of these Departments. These estimates were considered with the assistance of the Explanatory Notes provided by the respective departments. The Committee received explanations of the estimates from the Minister for Social Security, Senator the Hon. G.F. Richardson; the Minister for Justice and Consumer

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Affairs, Senator the Hon. M.C. Tate; the Parliamentary Secretary, Senator the Hon. R.F. McMullan; the Minister for Defence, Senator the Hon. R.F. Ray; and fro m officers of the relevant Departments and authorities.

3. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings, the Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee and a table of contents to the Hansard reports are tabled for the infonnation of the Senate in connection with its consideration of Appropriation Bill No. 1 (1990-91) and Appropriation Bill No. 2 (1990-91). Written

answers to questions taken on notice during the Committee's hearings will be tabled separately in the Senate.

Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism snd Territories

Equity in Sports Funding

4. The Committee was concerned to learn from the Department that, with regard to the Sports Commission's sports participation subprogram, the Department is not satisfied with action being taken on women's sport. The Committee notes that the Department is embarking on a plan to develop specific programs to give effect to the principles of equity in sport; this will be recommended to the Sports Commission. The Committee will monitor progress on this matter.

Drugs and Sport

5. The Committee noted that the Australian Sports Drug Agency (ASDA) was established in late 1989 and is to be provided with increased on-going funding of more than $4 million for testing and education activities over the next four years.

6. The Explanatory Notes confinn that legislation to establish ASDA as a Commonwealth statutory authority will be introduced and that a separate appropriation for ASDA will be created. And, at the hearings, the Department confinned that liaison is progressing with the States and Territories to assist the adoption of complementary drugs in sport legislation. The Committee will be following that issue.

Tourism

7. The Department advised the Committee that tourist numbers from the US and European markets have not fallen greatly. The UK market is maintaining its strength and Gennany has remained fairly strong. And a research program has yielded a new strategy for the US market. The Australian Tourist Commission

expressed the expectation that the funding allocated will redress the trend to falling tourist numbers. The Committee was concerned to consider evaluations of the effectiveness of expenditure on tourism research and promotion.

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Nature Conservation

8. The Committee was advised that approximately $7.6m had been paid in loan and subsidy assistance to the Ravenshoe mill, a receiver-manager having been appointed in April 1990. The Department confirmed that $4.2m was formally owed by the company to the Commonwealth. The Minister informed the Committee that the Government was awaiting advice from the receiver-manager before taking further decisions. The Committee will continue to monitor this matter given the possibility that the timber mill may be able to continue trading. And, Senator

Boswell has advised of his dissatisfaction with answers already provided by the Department on this issue (see Appendix 1).

9. Further, the Minister advised the Committee that, with regard to the potential World Heritage listing of Shark Bay, listing would ensure Commonwealth funding. In turn this would result in better conservation. The Department advised that, since July 1990, there has been an evolution in the documentation concerning the Shark Bay Region Plan.

Department of Social Security

Client Privacy

10. The Explanatory Notes record at page 19 that 'Measures used by DSS and the Australian Taxation Office were brought together to reduce incorrect payments across all programs'. The Committee was assured by the Department and the Minister that, prior to this initiative being taken, the Privacy Commissioner was

consulted. Further, the Privacy Commissioner is preparing guidelines for this data­ matching process. The Committee will continue to take an interest in the guidelines, when finalised. Senator Boswell has recorded his intention to pursue this issue in the Committee of the Whole (see Appendix 1).

11. On this issue, the Committee also noted that the Department of Social Security has a Privacy Branch with officers specifically designated to ensure that confidentiality, privacy principles and proper security are maintained across the Department.

Interest 'Deemed' on Deposits

12. At page 41 the Explanatory Notes advise that the 1990-91 Budget announced measures to raise the level of non-pension income earned: 'From March 1991, income will be assessed on cash and money on deposit at 10 per cent or the actual rate (whichever is higher) except for the first $2000 where the actual rate will apply, including a zero rate where that is the actual situation'. The Committee notes that, in four weeks following the Budget speech, the Department received 16,200 telephone calls on 'deeming'.

13. Elements of this policy await further clarification. For example where money is lent interest-free or on low interest to a church, the question is whether that is

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an amount of investment that is subject to deeming or not. The Committee will follow this issue.

Job Search Allowance (JSA)

14. Homeless allowance for young people is paid under the heading of JSA, special benefit or sickness benefit; the Explanatory Notes advise that the Young Homeless Allowance (YHA) is paid as an addition to the basic JSA to those unable to live with their parents.

15. The Department advised that social workers had to make difficult decisions based on their impressions of the claimant's credibility. Associated problems extend from the conveying of information to State authorities concerning young people who suffer from sexual abuse or violence at home, to the difficulties involved in dealing with the siblings of those environments in addition to the original claimant. The Department advised that 'in all circumstances where they can talk to the parents, then they should'.

16. As a consequence of the Committee's examination of this matter during the hearings, the Minister acknowledged his appreciation of the Committee's discussion and advised that he would ask the Department to review the YHA guidelines. The Minister confirmed that, in his view, the guidelines were inadequate.

17. The Committee understands that the Minister will advise the results of the Departmental review of the YHA guidelines; the Committee will examine any resultant changes to the guidelines.

Departmental Administrative Errors

18. The Committee was concerned to learn that the Department does not monitor the amount of overpayments that it makes as a consequence of administrative errors. The Department confirmed that it does not calculate that figure, but it did supply figures regarding the 'waiving of rights' of the Department to seek repayment.

19. The Committee recommends that the Department of Social Security compile statistics concerning:

the number of overpayments that result from administrative error; and the value of those overpayments.

Department of Community Services and Health

Departmental Objectives

20. The Committee continued its approach of assessing the outcomes of programs against their objectives. It was noted that the objective of the Department's first program 'Health Advancement' is 'To improve the health of all Australians and to

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reduce the difference in health status between social groups ... ' The Department advised that the objective was being achieved as indicated by the figures of the biannual report of the Australian Institute of Health.

21. While the Committee elicited some comment from the Department about the performance indicators available on this matter, the Department indicated its agreement that the figures on which it relied were scientifically crude. The Committee considers that the Department should explore options for better data on which to assess its performance against the stated objectives. Further, the

Committee recommends that the Department provide in future Explanatory Notes comment on progress towards the achievement of its goals for all programs.

Cervicl11 Cancer Risks

22. The Committee considered the Department's views on the incidence and risk of HIV infection among women who have sexual relations with men in the 'high risk' groups, that is, IV drug users and/or bisexuals. The Committee noted the vulnerability to cervical cancer of promiscuous heterosexual young girls. The current figures are that the risk of dying of cervical cancer are one in 23,663; that for AIDS is one in 591,500. The Department agreed that more should be done about the cervical cancer problem in response to the risk figures. The Minister undertook to provide a comparative analysis of HIV and cervical cancer risks in Australia for the Committee's consideration.

23. In addition, the Committee examined the question of AIDS education in schools. It considered the view that such education should include recognition of the very much greater risk of cervical cancer in promiscuous young girls. The Minister commented on the value of this aspect of the Committee's discussion and undertook the bring it to the attention of the portfolio Minister.

Privacy

24. The Committee was concerned to learn from the Department that, for the records of the Health Insurance Commission, there is a vulnerable point in the dial­ up arrangements between the Commission and pharmacists.

Depersonalised Data

25. The Committee was advised by the Department that the Health Insurance Commission is examining means of depersonalising 'historical' data held by it. The Department explained that no individual could then by able to be identified in that data. The Committee was advised that, as a consequence of its questions at the 1990 Supplementary Estimates, the Health Insurance Commission had begun to examine

this issue; the Commission was hopeful that it could be resolved within the next six months.

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Nursing Homes

26. The Committee was advised by the Department that fourteen Multi-Purpose Centres had been approved and that all approved centres would have been funded. The majority of such centres are in Victoria, and the funding was available. The Department subsequently advised the Committee out-of-session that no payments had yet been made to Multi-Purpose Centres. The Committee was most concerned to learn of this fact and will follow the issue closely.

27. The Committee was concerned that the guidelines regarding change of status of people under RCI were very complex and open to misinterpretation. The Committee would welcome clarification of the guidelines and will be following this issue.

Questions on Notice

28. It has taken some years for Departments to produce the greatly improved Explanatory Notes documents that now facilitate Estimates hearings. The major remaining hindrance to the Estimates process concerns Questions on Notice.

29. The Committee endorses the notion that all answers should be provided under the written authority of the Departmental Secretary. Where questions are taken during the hearings, it is most desirable that answers should identify the Hansard page number. For questions on notice provided in writing by Senators, Departments should identify the correspondence whereby those questions were transmitted and the name of the Senator.

30. The number of questions which were unable to be answered and which were taken on notice is a matter of concern, both with regard to costs for the Department and the timeliness of responses.

Annual Reports

31. The Committee was pleased to receive draft Annual Reports from the Departments and authorities, although some were not delivered by Departments until the day prior to hearings. It is notable that scrutiny of the draft Annual Reports during the Estimates process resulted in the detection of some errors and agreement on the part of Departments to make corrections.

Recommendations

32. Estimates Committee C regards as excessive the number and type of Departments allocated to it. The pressure of work entailed, in part, inadequate time for the Committee to consider its response to the hearings and prepare its report. The Committee recommends a revision of the allocation of Departments to Estimates Committees so as to spread responsibility more evenly. It also appreciates that this matter contributed to the number of questions on notice.

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33. With regard to Questions on Notice the Committee notes the

recommendations of Senators that questions put on notice be subject to further examination by the Senate (see Appendices 1 and 2) .

34. The Committee recommends for further consideration by the Senate matters affecting the following Departments and contained in the Auditor-General's Audit Report Nos. 1 and 6 of 1990/91 tabled in the Senate on 21 August 1990 and 19 September 1990 respectively:

Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories; Department of Community Services and Health; Department of Social Security; and Department of Veterans' Affairs.

Acknowledgements

35. The Committee expresses its appreciation for the assistance given by the Ministers and the officers of the Departments who appeared before it.

36. Further, the Committee expresses its appreciation to the Secretariat for its contribution in the lengthy and challenging Estimates process.

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GUIDE TO CONTENTS FOR HANSARD TRANSCRIPI'S OF HEARINGS HELD BY ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C ON 11, 18, 20, 21 AND 25 SEPTEMBER AND 12 OCToBER 1990

Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories

11 September 1990

Sports training and coaches Decentralised coaching and intensive training Coaches wages Sports talent encouragement plan

Funding/supporting sport bodies Elite sports/sport at elite level East European/overseas coaches Coaching Women's participation in coaching Aussie sports

Physical education teachers in primary schools Athletes advisory service Women coaches in sports Accountability of sports funding Sports development - general and funding

Disabled sports Funding full-time positions in sports organisations Auckland Games Olympic Games Future AIS strategy State-based Aussie Sports Co-ordinators Aussie Sports Program - funding figures Aussie sports principles Modified sports Participation patterns research Active Newsletter Youth sports Aged sports Women's Sports Promotion Unit/Women in sport Media coverage of women's sport Sports sponsorship Funds for World Swimming Championships Sports science, medicine and research Bruce Stadium Australian Sports Drug Agency Tourism - promotion campaigns Chiat Day Mojo Transport and aviation - reforms

32 33 34 35

36

37-43 44 45 46 46 47 48 48 49

50-54 54-55 56-59 60

61

61-62 63 63 63 64

65 34 35 35 36

38 39 40 40

42

43-44 45 49 50

Tourism research and statistics Passenger processing Selection of advertisers Tokyo-Sydney route Flight and seat capacity increases

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Australian Tourist Commission involvement in consultations re granting of air rights ANOP contracts Expositions and special events

1992 Exposition in Spain Australia Day Expositions - return on investments Australian Tourism Commission (A TC) Relationships with state authorities ATC marketing programs

Fall in numbers from Europe and US markets Asian tourist market Taiwan, Korea - air services Links with foreign tourist operators Antarctica Runway problems Expeditions Aurora Australis case

Icebird case Rubbish overboard New vessel King Penguins Sledges Territories Air charter to Cocos and Christmas Islands Christmas Island - finances Auction of commercial leases

Phosphate mine Health policy Housing situation Privatisation of Christmas Island Services Corporation Local Assembly Cocos (Keeling) Islands Norfolk Island Jervis Bay Meteorology Questions on Notice

18 September 1990

Indemnification of cultural exhibits Sales tax eligibility Deregulation - impact on art Price and availability of books

51 51 51 52 54 55

56 56 56 57 58 59 59 59 60 61 61 62 62

62-66 66

66, 69-70, 72 68 69 70 73, 75.

74 75 75 76 78

78, 80 79 79 81 81 83 85 86 87 88-89

92,99 93 94 94

Business sponsorship Cultural tourism Australia-China agreement Education and training aspects Opera and Ballet School funding Artbank

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Assistance to Non-Government organisations Australia Council Film and television Policy and program support Co-productions

Film Finance Corporation - access Impact of reduced funding Australian television drama Eat Carpet Australian Film Commission

Marketing Film industry problems - distribution Australian films- commercial successes Australian Film, Television and Radio School

National interest film and television production Financing film and television production Cultural heritage and information Paddy's Market Heritage preservation Australian National Gallery

Insurance Private donations Board membership and fundraising Children in the Gallery The Roof Additional displays

Handling displays Security National Gallery's overseas tours Exhibitions visiting Australia Australian National Maritime Museum

National Film and Sound Archive National Museum of Australia National Science and Technology Centre National Library of Australia Environment program ANOP questions

Climate change and education Environmental planning Tropical rainforest funding Cape York

Logging - compensation Environmental groups - funding

95 95 96 96

98 100 104

105-119 119

119-126 119

123, 125 124 124 125 126 126 126 127 127

129 129 129 130 130

131 131 131 132 132 133

134 135 134 135 137 137 139

140 140 140 141

141 141 148 148 148 149 150

Southeast forests • reports Nature conservation Ravenshoe timber mill Biological diversity Shark Bay

Environment protection Supervising Scientist Australian Heritage Commission

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Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service Corporate services and portfolio co-ordination Shark Bay discussions Executive and policy co-ordination Departmental support setvices

20 September 1990

Department of Social Security

Age pension Non-informing of change of circumstances Advertising campaign 'IJuwanpa resource centre Client contact SNAP Data matching Commonwealth-State relations Information kept in certain records Tax file number Overpayments Liaison with external agencies Liaison with employers Payments at Australian Postal Commission Privacy guidelines Family allowance supplement evaluation Ark Griffin

Performance evaluation Aged retirees benefit demands Maximum weekly payments Pensioner's $2.50 Pensioner investments issues Age Pension News Incorrectly addressed letters

Incorrect payment and fraud Wife's pension Invalid pension Income security for the unemployed and sick Unemployment benefit

Department of Vete.nms' AfT airs

157 159 159 172 173 174 176 183 187 189 189 190 191

194 195 197 198 199 199 201 205 206 207 208 209 209 210 212 212 213 214 215 217

217, 231-232 218 223 227 227 231 233 234 238

239-244

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Department of Social Security

Ark Griffin - Sydney Morning Herald article Federal-state relations rationalisation Unemployment benefits J obsearch allowance Sickness benefit

Family allowance Sole parent pension Child support scheme Management support Overpayments Social Security Appeals Tribunal

Internal fraud Overpayments to suppliers Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander issues Stress contact officers Plain English letters

Department of Community Services and Health

Rationalisation of Commonwealth-State relations Expenditure of allocations Sydney Morning Herald article Drug education NACAIDS funding Tampons and sea sponges Students initiatives in community health

Catalyst magazine Health promotion and disease prevention - perfonnance indicators Suicide rate

Homeless youth Medicare records and epidemiological surveys

21 September 1990

Sanitary pants and tampons Market basket surveys Drug abuse reduction issues Environmental health standards Health promotion and disease prevention

HIV virus and AIDS related issues Funding for anti-HIV measures Number of sufferers Compulsory testing Proceedings again8t Red Cross AIDS waves - methods of transmission Advertising/education issues

244 246 247 248 254 257 260 263 264 264

266, 274 270 270 273 273 273

277 278 279 279 280 281 282 282

283

285 286 287

290 290

291-312 313 319 325

325-326 325 326 327

329, 347-351, 356 334

25 September 1990

AZT availability AIDS education Care of AIDS sufferers Ante-natal HIV infection testing Recommendation for abortions

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Comparative risks: AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases - pamphlets Breathing in AIDS virus during operations Menopause as risk Screening proposals Women's health programs Breast cancer screening Family planning Better health program Research Anaesthetic mortality

Brain injury from road trauma Medical research endowment funds Australian Institute of Health reports National Bioethics Consultative Committee Home and Community Care Programs (HACC) Women on statutory bodies Erythropoietin therapy Pharmaceutical benefits scheme Records and data holding issues Payment issue re pharmacists Medicare card and number Determinations Privacy Commissioner - consultations Pharmacy Guild Eligibility checking Procurement policy Magnetic card swipe reader Sexual intercourse with patients Incorrect servicing by doctors Pensioner charges for pharmaceuticals Recording of drug prescriptions Computers for eligibility checking Questions on Notice re classes of records Surrogacy arrangements and benefits IVF programs Contract with Diagnosis Pty Ltd GP referrals Closure of Medicare offices Payments to Doctors Privacy Commissioner's letter

354 355 357 358 359 360

360-361 361 361 362

362, 364 363 365 365 366 367 368 369 371 373-386

386 388 389

389-402 402 404 408 411 413

410, 417 413-414 '"414

421 422 424 424 426 426 440 443 444 444 446 446 447

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MINUTEs OF PRocEEDINGS

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Minutes of Proceedings

No.1

Tuesday 11 September 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee met in private session at 4.11 p.m. in the office adjacent to Committee Room 16. Senator Crowley took the Chair.

2. Order of Examination of Estimates

The Committee agreed to examine departments in the following order, and to call on proposed expenditure by programs:

Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories; Department of Social Security; Department of Community Services and Health; and Department of Veterans' Affairs.

3. General Business

The Chair advised that the Committee's hearings should not proceed beyond 12.00 midnight.

Further, the Chair advised · that she could not be present at the hearing scheduled for 25 September due to travel commitments to the Soviet Union.

4. Procedural Resolution

On the motion of Senator Herron it was resolved:

That the Committee authorises the publication of all documents presented to it in the course of its hearings, and authorises the publication of written replies and other documents which may be forwarded to it after hearings have been completed.

5. Acljournment

The Private Meeting adjourned at 4.13 p.m.

Attendance

Apologies

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Senator R.A. Crowley (Chair) Senator I. Campbell Senator J. Herron

Senator the Hon. P.E. Baume Senator P.J. Giles Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds

Confinned

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Minutes of Proceedings

No.2

Tuesday 11 September 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee met in public session at 4.14 p.m. in Committee Room 16. Senator Crowley took the Chair.

2. Statement by Chair

Senator Crowley made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the estimates. The Chair noted the Department's request that its draft Annual Report not be incorporated.

3. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1990-91: Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories

In Attendance · Senator the Hon. G. Richardson, Minister for Social Security r epresenting the Minister for the Arts, Sport, t he Environment, Tourism and Territories. The following officers accompanied the Minister:

Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories

Mr Tony Blunn, AO, Secretary Mr Keith Fairbrother, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Tourism, Sport and Recreation Mr Steve Arnaudon, Assistant Secretary, Sport and Recreation Mr Jim Ferguson, Executive Director Mr Perry Crosswhite, Director, Sports Development and Participation Mr Robert Hobson, Director, Corporate Services Mr Steve Haynes, Chief Executive, ASDA Mr Norm Grimmond, Director, Testing and Management, ASDA Mr Keith Fairbrother, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Tourism, Sport and

Recreation Ms Jenny Harrison, Assistant Secretary, Tourism Development and Special Events Mr Ray Spurr, Assistant Secretary, Tourism Policy Mr Neil Smail, Assistant Secretary, Office of Government Information and

Advertising Mr Tony Thirwell, Managing Director Mr Rex Moncur, Director, Antarctic

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Ms Cathy Santamaria, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Management and Territories Mr David Mazitelli, Assistant Secretary, Territories Division Mr Lyndsay Neilson, Chief Executive, National Capital Planning Authority Mr Paul Carmody, Secretary and Manager, National Capital Planning

Authority Dr John Zillman, Director of Meteorology

Department of Finance

Mr Bill Cassimatis

4. The Chair called for consideration of the following programs:

Program 1 - Sport and Recreation Program 2 - Tourism and Information Program 3 - Antarctic Program 4 - Territories Program 9 - Meteorology

Together the expenditure in these programs comprised the following divisions: 135, 144, 145, 146, 153, 155, 811 and 812.

5. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 12.36 a.m. on Wednesday 19 September 1990.

Attendance Senator R.A. Crowley (Chair)

Senator M. Baume Senator I. Campbell Senator P .J. Giles Senator J. Herron

Senator R.K.R. Alston Senator B.R. Archer Senator M. Colston Senator W. Crane Senator I.D. Macdonald Senator G.E.J. Tambling

Confirmed

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Minutes of Proceedings

No.3

Tuesday 18 September 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee met in public session at 3.39 p.m. in Committee Room 16. Senator Crowley took the Chair.

2. Statement by Chair

Senator Crowley advised that the Committee would resume its hearings at Program 5 of the Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories (DASETT).

3. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1990-91

In Attendance- Senator the Hon. G. Richardson, Minister for Social Security representing the Minister for the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories. The following officers accompanied the Minister:

Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories

Mr P. Kennedy, Acting Secretary Mr G. Dempster, First Assistant Secretary, Arts, Film and Cultural Heritage Division Dr K. Daniels, Assistant Secretary, Arts Branch Mr R. Brent, Acting Assistant Secretary, Film Branch Mr Les Neilson, Assistant Secretary, Cultural Heritage Branch Ms J. DiSano, First Assistant Secretary, Natural Environment Division Mr N. Quinn, First Assistant Secretary, Environment Protection Division Mr R. Pegler, Assistant Secretary, Environmental Planning Branch Mr C. Griffiths, Assistant Secretary, Climate Change and Education Branch

Dr A. Turner, Assistant Secretary, Nature Conservation Branch Mr P. Pollard, Acting Assistant Secretary, Environment Quality Branch Mr J. Ashe, Assistant Secretary, Environment Assessment Branch Ms C. Santamaria, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Management and

Territories Division Mr D. Anderson, Acting Assistant Secretary, Portfolio Co-ordination Branch Ms A. Archer, Acting Assistant Secretary, Corporate Operations Branch Mr A. Phelan, Acting Principal Adviser, Legal Services

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Austrslia Council

Mr M. Bourke, General Manager Ms D. Temby, Director, Corporate Services

Austrslian Film Commission

Ms C. Robinson, Chief Executive Ms Y. Ryan, Acting Director, Administrative Services Mr T. Bourke, Review Manager

Austrslian Film, Television and Radio &hool

Ms P. Carl, Head of Business Affairs Mr T. Jeffery, Head of Training

Austrslian National Gsllery

Mrs E. Churcher, Director Mr K. Munn, Acting Administrator Mr A. Kelly, Manager, Administrative Services Ms J. Ford, Financial Manager

Australian National Maritime Museum

Dr K. Fewster, Director Mr Q. Howarth, Manager, Resources

Nationsl Film and Sound Archive

Mr G. Gilmour, Director

Nationsl Library of Austrslia

Mr W. Horton, Director-General Mr A. Cahill, Assistant Director-General, Corporate Services

National Museum of Australia

Ms K. Dal Bon, Acting Director

National Science and Technology Centre

Dr M. Gore, AM, Director Mr G. Bullivant, Manager, Business Operations Ms C. Bee, Acting Deputy Director

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Office of the Supervising Scientist and the Alligator Rivers Region Research Institute

Dr G. Riley, Deputy Supervising Scientist Mr D. Cottam, Manager, Corporate Services

Australian Heritage Commission

Ms S. Sullivan, Director Mr G. Early, Deputy Director Dr R. Bruce, Assistant Director, Register

Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service

Dr D. Kaye, Acting Deputy Director Mr J. Crennan, Acting Assistant Director, Corporate Services

Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority

Mr G. Kelleher, AM, Chairman

Department of Finance

Mr J. Anderson, Chief Finance Officer

... The Chair called for consideration or the following programs:

Program 5 - Arts Program 6 - Film and Television Program 7 - Cultural Heritage and Information Program 8 - Environment Program 10- Corporate Services and Portfolio Co-ordination

Together the expenditure in these programs comprised the following divisions: 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 141, 142, 143, 147, 149, 150, 151, 152, 154, 811, 812, 813 and 814.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and Department to provide additional information to the Committee.

5. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 1.33 a.m. on Wednesday 19 September 1990.

Attendance

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Senator R.A. Crowley (Chair) Senator M. Baume Senator I. Campbell Senator P.J. Giles Senator J . Herron Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds

Senator the Hon. P.E. Baume Senator R.L.D. Boswell Senator W. Crane Senator N .A. Crichton-Browne Senator I.D. Macdonald Senator J. McKiernan Senator K.C.L. Patterson Senator M.S. Walters

Confirmed

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Minutes of Proceedings

No.4

Thursday 20 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee met in public session at 2.09 p.m. in Committee Room 13. Senator Crowley took the Chair.

2. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure Department of Social Security

In Attendance- Senator the Hon. G. Richardson, Minister for Social Security and Senator the Hon. R.F. McMullan, Parliamentary Secretary. The following officers accompanied the Minister:

Mr D. Volker, Secretary Mr J. Bowdler, Deputy Secretary Mr J . Humphreys, National Manager, Systems Mr B. Godfrey, First Assistant Secretary, Resource Management Division Mr C. Stewart, Assistant Secretary, Information and Public Relations Branch Mr J. Moore, Assistant Secretary, Resources Branch Ms E. Ninham, Assistant Secretary, Training Branch Ms F. Howell, Director, Resource Estimates and Planning Mr A. Law, First Assistant Secretary, Computing Applications Division Mr C. Butel, First Assistant Secretary, Program Delivery Division Ms C. Zanetti, Assistant Secretary, Sole Parent Programs Branch Dr K. Ogborn, Assistant Secretary, Labour Force Programs Branch Ms M. Kilpatrick, Assistant Secretary, Family Programs Branch Mr A. Phelan, Acting Principal Adviser, Legal Services Group

Mr A. Herscovitch, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Performance and Control Division Mr T. Murphy, Executive Manager, Privacy, Fraud and Control Ms C. Hogg, Assistant Secretary, National Change Management Branch Dr 0. Donald, First Assistant Secretary, Social Policy Division Ms P. Kelly, Assistant Secretary, Budget Policy and Co-ordination Branch Ms K. Barfoot, Director, Budget Co-ordination

Australian Institute of Family Studies

Dr P. McDonald, Acting Director Dr R. Kidson, Deputy Director, Implementation and Management

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Social Security Appeals Tribunal

Mr G. Hall, Acting Registrar

Department of Finance

Mr B. Cutting, Chief Finance Officer, Unemployment and Running Costs Section, Social Welfare Branch, Social Security Division Ms C. Sykes, Finance Officer, Social Welfare Branch, Social Security Division

3. Corrigendum to the Explanatory Notes:

See Appendix 3.

4. The Chair called for consideration of the following programs:

Program 1 - Income Security for the Retired Program 2 - Income Security for People with Disabilities Program 3- Income Security for the Unemployed and Sick

Together the expenditure in these programs comprised the following divisions: 560 and 948.

5. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1990-91: Department orv eterans' Affairs

In Attendance - Senator the Hon. M.C. Tate, Minister for Justice and Consumer Affairs. The following officers accompanied the Minister:

Department of Veterans' Affairs

Mr K. Lyon, Acting Secretary Mr R. Bear, Assistant Secretary, Budget Branch Mr P. Hawker, National Program Director, Benefits Mr T. Ashford, National Program Director, Health

Department of Finance

Mr B. Cutting, Chief Finance Officer, Unemployment and Running Costs Section, Social Welfare Branch, Social Security Division · Ms C. Sykes, Finance Officer, Social Welfare Branch, Social Security Division

6. The Chair called for consideration of the following programs:

Program 1 - Benefits Program 2- Health Program 3- War Graves

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Program 4- Corporate Services Program 5 - War Memorial

Together the expenditure in these programs comprised the following divisions: 219, 220, 221, 839 and 840.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department ofVeterans' Affairs subject to an undertaking by the Minister and officers to provide additional information to the Committee.

7. Acljoumment

The Committee adjourned at 6.33 p.m.

Attendance Senator R.A. Crowley (Chair)

Senator T. Aulich Senator K.C.L. Patterson Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds Senator M.S. Walters

Senator R.L.D. Boswell Senator W. Crane Senator B. Harradine Senator J. Herron Senator W.G. O'Chee

Confirmed

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Minutes or Proceedings

No.5

Thursday 20 September 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee met in private session at 8.01 p.m. in the office adjacent to Committee Room 13. Senator Crowley took the Chair.

2. Election of New Chair

Senator the Hon. P . Baume moved and Senator Aulich seconded:

That Senator Reynolds become Chair of the Committee from Friday 21 September 1990.

The motion was passed on the voices.

3. Adjo'!ll'Dlllent

The Committee adjourned at 8.03 p.m.

Attendance

Apologies

Senator R.A. Crowley (Chair) Senator T. Aulich Senator the Hon. P.E. Baume Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds Senator M.S. Walters

Senator K.C .L. Patterson

Confirmed

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No.6

Thursday 20 September 1990

The Committee met in public session at 8.05 p.m. in Committee Room 13. Senator Crowley took the Chair.

2. Resumption of Consideration of the Department of Social Security

In Attendance- Minister and officers as listed for Meeting No. 4.

The Chair called for consideration of the following programs:

Program 3- Income Security for the Unemployed and Sick Program 4 - Income Security for Families with Children Program 5 - Provisions for Special Circumstances Program 6 - Corporate and Other Services Program 5- War Memorial

Together the expenditure in these programs comprised the following divisions: 560, 561 and 948.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Social Security subject to an undertaking by the Minister and officers to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1990-91: Department of Community Services and Health

In Attendance - Senator the Hon. M.C. Tate, Minister for Justice and Consumer Affairs. The following officers accompanied the Minister:

Department of Community Services and Health

Mr S. Hamilton, Secretary Mr M. Roche, Deputy Secretary Dr T. Adams, Chief Medical Adviser Ms M. Murnane, First Assistant Secretary, Aged and Community Care

Division Mr B. Wight, First Assistant Secretary, Child Care Division

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Ms M. Dunlop, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Division Mr N. Mersiades, Principal Adviser, Budget Management Branch Mr B. Lee, Assistant Secretary, Staff Management and Services Branch Mr J. Buckpitt, Director, Budgets Section, Budget Management Branch Dr J. Harmer, First Assistant Secretary, Disability Services Division Mr W. Butler, Assistant Secretary, Hearing Services Branch Mr J . Whalan, Assistant Secretary, Disability Planning and Development

Branch Mr B. Macdonald, Assistant Secretary, Rehabilitation Services Branch Mr T. Slater, First Assistant Secretary, Health Advancement Division Ms M. Scott, Assistant Secretary, AIDS Policy and Programs Branch Mr I. McNeil, First Assistant Secretary, Health Care Access Division Mr A. Stevens, Acting Principal Adviser, Pharmaceutical Benefits Branch Mr P. Willems, Acting Assistant Secretary, Health Care Strategies Branch Mr B. Candler, Assistant Secretary, Hospitals and Health Services Branch Dr J. Loy, First Assistant Secretary, Health Research and Services Division Mr R. Egan, First Assistant Secretary, Housing Services Division Mr B. Corcoran, First Assistant Secretary, Information Services Division Ms M. Coleman, First Assistant Secretary, Policy Development Division Mr P. Pflaum, National Manger, Therapeutic Goods Administration Division Dr B. Ashley, Assistant Secretary, Drug Evaluation Branch

Health Insurance Commission

Mr R. Wilcox, General Manger Mr K. Hazell, Assistant General Manager, Medicare Dr J. Nearhos, Medical Director Mr M. Parsons, Assistant General Manager, Medibank Private Mr M. Murray, Assistant General Manager, Finance and Planning

Australian Institute of Health

Mr R. Harvey, Head, Health Services Division Ms C. Fuso, Head, Corporate Services

Department of Finance

Mr B. Cutting, Chief Finance Officer, Social Welfare Branch, Social Security Division

4. The Chair called for consideration of the following program:

Program 1 - Health Advancement

Together the expenditure in this program comprised the following divisions: 200, 830 and 831.

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5. Acljoumment

The Committee adjourned at 12.00 midnight.

Attendance Senator R.A. Crowley (Chair)

Senator T. Aulich Senator K.C.L. Patterson Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds Senator M.S. Walters

Senator R.L.D. Boswell Senator W. Crane Senator B. Harradine Senator J . Herron Senator W.G. O'Chee

Confirmed

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Minutes of Proceedings

No.7

Friday 21 September 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee met in public session at 9.35 a.m in Committee Room 13. Senator Reynolds took the Chair.

2. Resumption of Consideration of the Department of Community Services and Health

In Attendance - Senator the Hon. M.C. Tate, Minister for Justice and Consumer Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Community Services and Health

Mr S. Hamilton, Secretary Mr M. Roche, Deputy Secretary Dr A. Adams, Chief Medical Adviser Ms M. Murnane, First Assistant Secretary, Aged and Community Care

Division Mr B. Wight, First Assistant Secretary, Child Care Division Ms M. Dunlop, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Division Mr N: Mersiades, Principal Adviser, Budget Management Branch Mr B. Lee, Assistant Secretary, Staff Management and Services Branch Mr J. Buckpitt, Director, Budgets Section, Budget Management Branch Dr J. Harmer, First Assistant Secretary, Disability Services Division Mr W. Butler, Assistant Secretary, Hearing Services Branch Mr J. Whalan, Assistant Secretary, Disability Planning and Development

Branch Mr B. Macdonald, Assistant Secretary, Rehabilitation Services Branch Mr T. Slater, First Assistant Secretary, Health Advancement Division Ms M. Scott, Assistant Secretary, AIDS Policy and Programs Branch Mr I. McNeil, First Assistant Secretary, Health Care Access Division Mr A. Stevens, Acting Principal Adviser, Pharmaceutical Benefits Branch Mr P. Willems, Acting Assistant Secretary, Health Care Strategies Branch Mr B. Candler, Assistant Secretary, Hospitals and Health Services Branch Dr J. Loy, First Assistant Secretary, Health Research and Services Division Mr R. Egan, First Assistant Secretary, Housing Services Division Mr B. Corcoran, First Assistant Secretary, Information Services Division Ms M. Coleman, First Assistant Secretary, Policy Development Division

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Mr P. Pflaum, National Manager, Therapeutic Goods Administration Division Dr B. Ashley, Assistant Secretary, Drug Evaluation Branch

Health Insurance Commission

Mr R. Wilcox, General Manager Mr K Hazell, Assistant General Manger, Medicare Dr J. Nearhos, Medical Director Mr M. Parsons, Assistant General Manager, Medibank Private Mr M. Murray, Assistant General Manger, Finance and Planning

Australian Institute of Health

Mr R. Harvey, Head of the Health Services Division Ms C. Fuso, Head of Corporate Services

Department of Finance

Mr M. Rosser, Finance Officer Mr I. Rae, Finance Officer

3. The Chair called for consideration of the following programs:

Program 1 - Health Advancement

Together the expenditure in these programs comprised the following divisions: 200, 830 and 831.

5. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 12.33 p.m.

Attendance Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds (Chair)

Senator T. Aulich Senator the Hon. P.E. Baume Senator J. McKiernan Senator KC.L. Patterson Senator M.S. Walters

Senator B. Harradine

Confirmed

Margaret Reynolds Chair

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Minutes of Proceedings

No.8

Friday 21 September 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee met in private session at 1.28 a.m in the office adjacent to Committee Room 13. Senator Reynolds took the Chair.

2. Alternative Hearing Dates

The Committee discussed the question of dates for further hearings. Senator Tate advised that Senator McMullan would be available for Wednesday 26 September 1990.

The Committee resolved:

That Estimates C Committee will continue hearings on Tuesday 25 September 1990 from 10.00 a.m. to 4.00 p.m. and continue on Wednesday 26 September if necessary.

3. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 1.40 p.m.

Attendance

Apologies

Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds (Chair) Senator T. Aulich Senator the Hon. P.E. Baume Senator K.C.L. Patterson Senator M.S. Walters

Senator the Hon. M.C. Tate

Senator J. McKiernan

Confirmed

Margaret Reynolds Chair .

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Minutes or Proceedings

No.9

Friday 21 September 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee resumed in public session at 1.43 p.m. Senator Reynolds took the Chair.

2. Resumption or Consideration or the Department or Community Services and Health

In Attendance- Minister and officers as listed for Meeting No. 7.

3. The Chair called for continuation or consideration or the following program:

Program 1 - Health Advancement

Together the expenditure in this program comprised the following divisions: 200, 830 and 831.

4. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 4.00 p.m.

Attendance Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds (Chair)

Senator T. Aulich Senator the Hon. P.E. Baume Senator J. McKiernan Senator K.C.L. Patterson

Senator M.S. Walters

Senator B. Harradine

Confirmed

Margaret Reynolds Chair

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Minutes of Proceedings

No.lO

Tuesday 25 September 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee met in public session at 10.08 a.m in Committee Room 14. Senator Reynolds took the Chair.

2. Resumption of Consideration of the Department of Community Services and Health

In Attendance - Senator the Hon. M.C. Tate, Minister for Justice and Consumer Affairs. The following officers accompanied the Minister:

Department of Community Services and Health

Mr M. Roche, Deputy Secretary Dr A. Adams, Chief Medical Adviser Ms M. Murnane, First Assistant Secretary, Aged and Community Care Division Mr B. Wight, First Assistant Secretary, Child Care Division Ms M. Dunlop, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Division Mr N. Mersiades, Principal Adviser, Budget Management Branch Mr B. Lee, Assistant Secretary, Staff Management and Services Branch Mr J. Buckpitt, Director, Budgets Section, Budget Management Branch Dr J. Harmer, First Assistant Secretary, Disability Services Division Mr J. Whalan, Assistant Secretary, Disability Planning and Development

Branch Mr T. Slater, First Assistant Secretary, Health Advancement Division Ms M. Scott, Assistant Secretary, AIDS Policy and Programs Branch Mr I. McNeil, First Assistant Secretary, Health Care Access Division Ms M. Ford, Acting Principal Adviser, Pharmaceutical Benefits Branch Mr P. Willems, Acting Assistant Secretary, Health Care Strategies Branch Mr B. Candler, Assistant Secretary, Hospitals and Health Services Branch Dr J. Loy, First Assistant Secretary, Health Research and Services Division Mr R. Egan, First Assistant Secretary, Housing Services Division Mr B. Corcoran, First Assistant Secretary, Information Services Division Mr I. Wingett, Assistant Secretary, Program Support and Development, Policy

Development Division

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Mr P. Pflaum, National Manager, Therapeutic Goods Administration Division Dr B. Ashley, Assistant Secretary, Drug Evaluation Branch

Health Insurance Commission

Mr R. Wilcox, General Manager Mr K. Hazell, Assistant General Manger, Medicare Dr J. Nearhos, Medical Director Mr M. Parsons, Assistant General Manager, Medibank Private Mr M. Murray, Assistant General Manger, Finance and Planning

Australian Institute of Health

Dr D. Hailey, Head of Health Technology Unit, Australian Institute of Health Mr R. Carlin, Corporate Services

3. The Chair called for corurideration of the following programs:

Program 1 - Health Advancement Program 2 - Home and Community Care Program 6 - Health Care Access

Together the expenditure in these programs comprised the following divisions: 200, 831 and 832.

The Committee adjourned at 3.58 p.m.

5. Resumption

At 5.08 p.m. the Committee resumed its consideration of the Department of Community Services and Health at Program 6. Senator McKiernan took the Chair.

In Attendance - Senator the Hon. R. Ray, Minister for Defence accompanied by the officers listed at item 2 above.

6. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 6.58 p.m.

Attendance

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Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds (Chair) Senator the Hon. P.E. Baume Senator J . McKiernan Senator K.C.L. Patterson Senator M.S. Walters

Senator B. Harradine

Confirmed

Margaret Reynolds Chair

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Minutes of Proceedings

No. ll

Tuesday 25 September 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee met in private session at 7.00 p.m in Committee Room 14. Senator McKiernan took the Chair.

2. Further Committee Hearings

Senator Walters moved, and Senator Patterson seconded:

That Estimates C report to the Senate on Tuesday 9 October that further hearings are necessary because of the number and nature of the portfolios allocated. Further, that the Committee resume hearings at 9.00 a.m. on Friday 12 October 1990, following which the Report will be considered.

The motion was passed on the voices.

3. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 7.02 p.m.

Attendance

Apologies

Senator J. McKiernan (Chair) Senator K.C .L. Patterson Senator M.S. Walters

Senator T. Aulich Senator the Hon. P.E. Baume Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds

Confirmed

Jim McKiernan Chair

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Minutes of Proceedings

No.12

Friday 12 October 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee met in private session at 9.05 a.m in Committee Room 16. The Secretary took the Chair.

2. Election of Chair

Senator Peter Baume moved:

That Senator Crowley be elected Chair.

The motion was passed on the voices.

3. Televising

Senator Baume moved:

That the proceedings be televised.

The motion was passed on the voices.

-4. Adjournment

The meeting adjourned at 9.08 a.m.

Attendance Senator the Hon. P.E. Baume

Senator R.A. Crowley

Apologies

Senator M.S. Walters

Senator T. Aulich Senator K.C .L. Patterson Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds

Confirmed

Rosemary Crowley

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1. Meeting

Minutes of ProceedingB

No.13

Fridayl20ctober1990

The Committee met in public session at 9.08 a.m in Committee Room 16. Senator Crowley took the Chair.

2. Resumption of Consideration of the Department of Community Services and Health

In Attendance · Senator R. McMullan, Parliamentary Secretary, and officers of the Department as follows:

Department of Community Services and Heslth

Mr S. Hamilton, Secretary Mr M. Roche, Deputy Secretary Dr A. Adams, Chief Medical Adviser Ms M. Murnane, First Assistant Secretary, Aged and Community Care

Division Mr B. Wight, First Assistant Secretary, Child Care Division Mr J . Buckpitt, Director, Budgets Section, Budget Management Branch Dr J. Harmer, First Assistant Secretary, Disability Services Division Mr J. Whalan, Assistant Secretary, Disability Planning and Development

Branch Ms J. Thomas, Assistant Secretary, Disability Services Management Branch, Disability Programs Division Mr T. Slater, First Assistant Secretary, Health Advancement Division Ms M. Scott, Assistant Secretary, AIDS Policy and Programs Branch Mr I. McNeil, First Assistant Secretary, Health Care Access Division Ms M. Ford, Acting Principal Adviser, Pharmaceutical Benefits Branch,

Health Care Access Division Ms J. Lipscombe, Assistant Secretary, Health Care Strategies Branch, Health Care Access Division Mr B. Candler, Assistant Secretary, Hospitals and Health Services Branch Dr J . Loy, First Assistant Secretary, Health Research and Services Division Mr R. Egan, First Assistant Secretary, Housing Services Division Mr B. Corcoran, First Assistant Secretary, Information Services Division Mr I. Wingett, Assistant Secretary, Program Support and Development, Policy

Development Division Mr P. Pflaum, National Manager, Therapeutic Goods Administration Division Dr B. Ashley, Assistant Secretary, Drug Evaluation Branch

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Ms C. Thame, Assistant Secretary, Policy Analysis and Review Branch, Policy Development Division Dr D. Cowley, General Manager, Health Technology Unit, Australian Institute of Health Dr D. Hailey, Head of the Health Technology Unit, Australian Institute of

Health Mr R. Carlin, Corporate Services, Australian Institute of Health

Health Insurance Commission

Mr R. Wilcox, General Manager Mr K Hazell, Assistant General Manger, Medicare Dr J. Nearhos, Medical Director Mr M. Parsons, Assistant General Manager, Medibank Private Mr M. Murray, Assistant General Manger, Finance and Planning

Department of Finance

Mr M. Rosser, Acting Chief Finance Officer Mr C. Caldwell, Finance Officer Ms L. Pharaoh, Finance Officer Ms L. Thorncroft, Finance Officer

3. The Chair called for consideration of the following programs:

Program 3 - Residential Care for Older People Program 4 - Assistance for People with Disabilities Program 5 - Therapeutic Goods Program 6 - Health Care Access Program 7 - Housing Program 8 - Services for Families with Children Program 9- Corporate Management

Together the expenditure in these programs comprised the following divisions: 200 and 204.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Community Services and Health subject to an undertaking by the Minister and officers to provide additional information to the Committee.

5. Adjournment

The Committee adjourned at 3.40 p.m.

Attendance Senator R.A. Crowley (Chair)

Senator T. Aulich Senator the Hon. P.E. Baume Senator J. McKiernan Senator K.C.L. Patterson

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Senator M. Colston Senator B. Harradine Senator J. HelTOn Senator R. Hill

Confirmed

Rosemary Crowley Chair

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Minutes or Proc:eedinga

No.14

Wednesday 17 October 1990

1. Meeting

The Committee met in private session at 1.04 p.m. in Committee Room 17. Senator Crowley took the Chair.

2. Report

The Committee considered the draft report and approved it subject to amendments to be agreed.

3. Minutes

Minutes of Meetings 1 to 13 were approved.

4. Adjournment

The Private Meeting adjourned at 1.39 p.m.

Attendance

Apologies

Senator R.A. Crowley (Chair) Senator T . Aulich Senator M. Baume Senator I. Campbell Senator K.C.L. Patterson Senator M.S. Walters

Senator the Hon. P.E. Baume Senator J . Herron Senator the Hon. M. Reynolds

Confi rmed

Rosemary Crowley Chair

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APPENDIX 1

I...ETTER FROII SENATOR BoswELL DATED 11 OCToBER 1990

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_1ft PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA· THE SENATE SENATOR RON BOSWELL PAAI.IAMENT HOW CANBEAAA A.C.T. 2600 TEL: (06) 2n 324-4 FMc (06) 277 3246 11 October, 1990 Mr. Peter Grundy Secretary LEK>ER Of THE PAATT IN THE SENATE

SENATOR FOR QUEENSlAND

Estimates 'C' Committee

Dear Peter,

12TH FLOOR COMMONWtAI. TH GOVERNMENT CENTRE 291 A.NN STllfET IIIUS&O.NE. OlD 4000

TELo (07) 221 2880 FA.Xo (07) 229 9735

I draw your attention to the questions asked by myself in

Estimates Committee 'C' on 18 September 1990 in the Department of the Arts, Sport, the Environment, Tourism and Territories, Sub-program 8.4, regarding monies loaned and grants made to the value of $7.6M to the timber mill at Ravenshoe.

I am not satisfied that these questions have been adequately answered and I would request further debate on these matters in the Committee as a whole. I would therefore ask that you take the appropriate action to allow me to do so. '

I also draw your attention to the questions asked by myself in Estimates Committee 'C' on 20 September 1990 in the Department of Social Security Sub-program 1.1 regarding the extension of the tax file number, the further use of the Medicare card and the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme cross matching.

I am also not satisfied that these questions have been adequately answered and I would likewise request further debate on these matters in the Committee as a whole. I would similarly ask that you take the appropriate action to allow me to do so.

I await your reply.

Yours sincerely,

' .

LEADER OF TBB RATIONAL PARTY IH 'J.'BB SEHATB

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APPENDIX2

I..E'M'ERS OF REsERVATION FROM SENATORS

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_Nh PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA· THE SENATE SENATOR JOCELYN NEWMAN SENATOR FOR TASMANIA SHADOW MINISTER FOR VETERANS' AFFAIRS SHADOW MINISTER FOR DEFENCE SCIENCE AND PERSONNEL SHADOW MINISTER ASSISTING THE LEADER ON THE STATUS OF WOMEN .... RfCEJVED ,-,_.\ 11th October 1990 Mr Peter Grundy Secretary Estimates Committee C The Senate Parliament House, Canberra 2600 Dear Mr Grundy, f 2 OCT f9,jO ESnMAT.::s COIIMfTTce "C" By way of reservation I recommend that matters affecting questions asked by me and taken on notice by the Department be subject to further examination by the Senate. Yours sincerely, Jocelyn Newman II ELPHIN ROAD. LAUNCESTON. TAS. 7250 TELEPHONE (003) HI7SS FACSIMILE (003) Hl62<4 PARLIAMENT HOUSE. CANBERRA ACT. 2600 (06) 2773660 (06) 27734 .. 9

• 205

Aft PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA · THE SENATE 15 October 1990

Mr Peter Grundy Secretary

SENATOR IUCHARO ALSTON SHADOW MINISTER FOR SOCIAL SECURITY, CHILD CARE AND RETlREMENT INCOMES

Estimates Committee C The Senate Parliament House, Canberra 2600

Dear Mr Grundy

By way of reservation I recommend that matters affecting the Departments of Social Security and Community Services and Health taken on notice from me by the Departments be subject to further examination by the Senate.

Yours sincerely

RICHARD ALSTOH Senator for Victoria Shadow Minister for Social Security,

Child Care and Retirement Incomes

COMMONWEALTH OfFICES. 400 FUNDERS STREET. M£LBOURNE . VIC 3000

PAAUAMENT HOUSE. CANBERAA. A.C.T. 2600

TELEPHONE (03) 629 25 21 FN:SIMILE (03) 890 7375

TE LEPHONE (06) 277 3605

FACSIMILE (06) 277 l308

Senator R. Crowley, Chairman, Estimates Committee "C", The Senate, Parliament House.

Dear Senator Crowley,

AUSTRALIAN SENATE CANBEAAA. AC.T

16 October 1990.

I recommend by way of Reservation that the following matters relating to the estimates of expenditure referred to Committee "C" be further examined by the Senate:-

Those subjects on which I directed written or verbal questions to the Minister or officials and which have not yet been fully responded to or require further elaboration, including the following specific subject areas -COMMUNITY SERVICES ANI) HEALTH:

National Bioethics Consultative Committee. Genetic registers. National Health & Medical Research Council and MREC. Human Reproduction Program. Expenditure on family planning. Medicare funding of IVF. Transport of Human Embryos. RU-486 and abortifacients.

.

(Senator Brian Harradine)

PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA · THE SENATE

17 October 1990

Senator R Crowley Chairman Estimates Committee •c• The Senate

Parliament House

Dear Senator Crowley

SENATOR KAY PATTERSON SENATOR FOR VICTORIA

By way of Reservation, I recommend that the following matters relating to estimates of expenditure by the Departments of Community Services and Health and Social Security be further examined by the Senate.

1a) Those programs where the Departments have failed to provide me with answers to my Questions on Notice. lb) Those programs where the Departments have given a commitment in the hearings that they will answer a

question or provide information on notice and have not done so to date.

lc) Those programs where the Departments have provided me with answers or information of the type described in la. and lb. where I am not satisfied with the adequacy of the response.

2. Those programs which related to areas of questioning that I undertook in the hearings where I am not satisfied with the adequacy of the response provided by the relevant Department in the actual hearings.

3. Those programs that relate to questioning that was undertaken on Friday 12th October for which there is currently no Hansard to allow a proper analysis of the answers given.

Each of these matters refer specifically to areas of questioning that I have undertaken during the Senate Estimates •c• hearings.

Yours sincerely,

Sena r Kay Patterson (Senator for Victoria)

COMMONWEALTH PARLIAMENT OFFICES. 400 FLINDERS STREET. MELBOURNE 3000

TE LEPHONE (03) 629 2521

FAX (031 614 886 2

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.11ft PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA · THE SENATE SENATOR THE HON. PETER BAUME. MORGAN GRENFELL BUILDING, 56-70 PHILLIP STREET GPO BOX 36. SYDNEY. N.SW. 2000. FAX: (02) 251 6040. TEL: (02) 277 281 17 October 1990

Please ensure that my reservation to the following two matters related to the Estimates of the Department of Community Services and Health are noted with the Report of Estimates Committee C:

*payment of medical benefits for consultations involving unethical medical behaviour *concerns about the Therapeutics Goods Administration

yours sincerely

Peter Baume

Mr Peter Grundy Secretary Estimates Committee C Parliament House Canberra

.... RECEIVED 1

C:

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

RESERVATION BY SENATOR MICHAEL BAUME

Arts and Sports Portfolio

1 f. OCT 1990

CCMMITTee

I recommend that the Senate further examine the issues raised in

Estimates Committee C relating to Arts, and Antarctica.

Senator Michael Baume

Shadow Minister for the Arts, Heritage, Sport and Youth Affairs

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APPENDIX3

C0BRIGENDU11 TO ExPLANATORY NOTES 1990-91 FOR SOCIAL SEculuTY PoRTFOUO

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CORRIGENDUM TO EXPLANATORY NOTES 1999-91 FOR SOCIAL SEClJBITY PORITQLIO

USER GUIDE Page ix Paragraph 6/I..ine 4: Replace "[x]" with "200".

COMPONENT 2.4.2 ·REHABILITATION ALLOWANCE Page 72 DERIVATION OF ESTIMATES TABLE Point (ii) after sub-heading "Less": Replace "1990-91" with "1989-90".

SUB-PROGRAM 4.4 ·JOBS, EDUCATION AND TRAINING Page 140 FINANCIAL RESOURCES TABLE Second total amount beside heading "TOTAL OUTLAYS" should be "2,622" not "2,620".

SUB-PROGRAM 6.4 ·AGENCY FUNCTIONS Page 205 Penultimate line: Replace conuna with decimal point.

SECTIONm Table at Page 217 1989-90 Expenditure amount beside heading "TOTAL GROSS APPROPRIATIONS" should be "20,982,060,330" not "20,978,052,337".

1989-90 Expenditure amount beside heading "TOTAL OUI'LAYS "should be "20,978,052,337" not "20,986,052,337".

September 1990

80,000

78,000

76,000

74,000

72.000

70,000

68,000

66,000

&4,000

86187

$'000

700,000

650,000

600.000

550,000

500,000

450,000

87188

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1.4 SICKNESS BENEFIT AVERAGE CUENT NUMBERS

88189 89190

1.4 SICKNESS BENEFIT EXPENDITURE IN 1880-81 DOLLARS

80191 (est)

400,000 +-------------------+-------4

1990191 (est)

1986187 1987188 1988189 1989190

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

October 1990

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee D presents its report to the Senate.

Introduction

1. On 23 August 1990 the Senate referred to the Committee, for examination and report, the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year Ending on 30 June 1991, the Particulars of Certain Proposed

Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending on 30 June 1991 and the

Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Year Ending on 30 June 1990 in respect of the following portfolios:

• Administrative Services • Employment, Education and Training • Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs

2. The Committee has considered these estimates for the year ending 30 June 1991 and the Advance to the Minister for Finance, for the year ending 30 June 1990. together with the Departmental Explanatory Notes and has received evidence from the Minister for Administrative Services (Senator the Hon. ick Bolkus). the Minister for Industrial Relations (Senator the

Hon. Peter Cook) and officers of the departments and authorities concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and the Hansard reports of the

evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No.1) 1990-91 and Appropriation Bill (No.2) 1990-91. Further written explanations furnished by departments will be presented separately as received.

3. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following matters which arose during consideration of the Estimates:

Administrative Services Portfolio

4. The Committee noted the opening statement by the Minister for

Administrative Services which referred to the increasing number of

sub-programs operating through trust accounts. The Committee is concerned that the increased use of trust accounts removes from estimates committees and the Parliament the ability to scrutinise as closely as before the activities of those sub-programs.

5. The Committee noted the Minister's assurances that profit and loss

statements of the trust accounts would be provided, subject to consideratio n of commercial sensitivities, and that statements of accounts had to be provided to the Auditor-General under section 410 of the Audit Act 1901. Finallv, the Committee notes that trust fund arrangements may result in a serious anomalv in the area of financial accountability whereby significant areas of the of Departments of State may be less open to

parliamentary scrutiny than the operations of many on-budget statutory bodies. The Committee is aware that on 30 November 1989 the Senate

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referred to the Standing Committee on Finance and Public Administration for inquiry and report three matters arising out of its consideration of the report of Estimates Committee E. One of these matters was:

The need for any change to existing procedures of the Senate to ensure that the activities of government service providers operating through Trust Accounts do not escape adequate scrutiny.

6. This Committee awaits with interest the recommendations of the Standing Committee on Finance and Public Administration in regard to this matter.

7. The Committee recommends that the Senate, approve without amendment or request, expenditure in accordance with the estimates considered by the Committee.

8. The Committee recommends that matters raised in the report in relation to this portfolio and all questions taken on notice by witnesses at the

Committee hearings and unanswered by Tuesday 16 October 1990, as listed in the Appendix to this report, be subject to further examination by the Senate.

Employment, Education and Training Portfolio

9. The Committee examined a number of matters related to higher education expenditure. These included:

• whether studies had been conducted by the Department of

Employment, Education and Training in respect to efficiencies resulting from amalgamations of institutions of higher education;

costs incurred by institutions as a result of fulfilling demands from the Department regarding the collection of statistical material; and

• procedures for evaluating higher education institutions as a

precondition for funding.

These and other matters relating to the evaluation of the performance of the Department will be subject to continuing scrutiny by the Committee.

10. The Committee recognises that prior to the hearings a great number of questions were placed on notice. The sometimes onerous and time

consuming task involved in answering them is acknowledged by Committee members, as is the significant resource allocation required. It is considered, however, that answers to questions could be provided more promptly by the Department. Of the 133 questions asked during the September hearings. answers had been received to only 15 prior to the tabling of this report.

Answers to questions relating to an evaluation of the effectiveness of a Streetwize comic, an issue raised at some length by this Committee during the May hearings. were not delivered to members until a few weeks before the September hearings. This was despite the fact that the evaluation commissioned by the Department of Community Services and Health had been completed in September 1989 and was presumably available to the Department of Employment, Education and Training for several months prior to the May hearings.

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11. Having received the information requested at the May hearings, albeit very late, members of the Committee saw no reason to pursue Streetwize comics issues during these hearings. Full and expeditious disclosure of information will satisfy the Committee's requirements and considerably hasten

proceedings and ultimately reduce the Department's workload.

12. The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission appeared as program 7 under the DEET portfolio. The Committee records that its Explanatory Notes were provided to members of the Committee only days before the hearing, causing some inconvenience. The Commission should nonetheless be complimented on its strenuous attempts to provide additional information quickly.

13. The Minister at the table, Senator the Hon. Peter Cook, facilitated

proceedings by providing an officer of ATSIC to determine in advance which questions could be answered in the hearing and which needed to be taken on notice. The Committee noted the Minister's comments in relation to this procedure (Hansard, 20 September 1990, D127, D129) .

14. The Committee recommends that the Senate approve, without amendment or request, expenditure in accordance with the estimates considered by the Committee.

15. The Committee recommends that matters raised in this report in relation to this portfolio and all questions taken on notice by witnesses at the

Committee hearings and unanswered by Tuesday 16 October as listed in the Appendix to this report, be subject to further examination by the Senate.

Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs Portfolio

16. The Committee took note of progress the Department of Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs was making in the implementation of systems to ensure more thorough compliance with immigration regulations and to evaluate the business migration scheme.

17. The Committee records its appreciation of the provision by the Department of an index to its Explanatory Notes.

18. The Committee recommends that the Senate approve, without amendment or request, expenditure in accordance with the estimates considered by the Committee.

19. The Committee recommends that matters raised in the report in relation to this portfolio and all questions taken on notice by witnesses at the

Committee hearings and unanswered by Tuesday 16 October as listed in the Appendix to this report, be subject to further examination by the Senate.

General Matters

20. The Committee was generally impressed with the high level of expertise and the grasp of detail possessed by departmental and statutory officers appearing before it.

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21. The Committee considers that the 13 day delay in the production of the Hansard for the second day's hearings to be unacceptable because of the resultant pressure placed on departments to respond to questions taken on notice.

Senator Olive Zakharov Chair

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Appendix

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AS AT 16 OCTOBER 1990

Administrative Services Portfolio

Department of Administrative Services

No. Senator Page/ Subject

Column

1. Short 01 r AOP/information technology staff numbers,

consultants, budget

2. Short 021 Consumer, trade union, board representation

3. Short 021 Research studies, opinion polls commissioned

4. Short 021 Grants to trade unions, community groups

5. Short 02r Advertising or promotional projects commissioned

6. Short 02 r Committees of inquiry being conducted

7. Short 02r Provision of departmental mailing lists

8. Short 031 Involvement in inter-departmental committees

9. Short 03 Internal departmental policy committees

10. Teague 0101 Staff allocation between trust account programs and

corporate management

ll. Kemp 010 r Staff training funds to TUT A

12 . Kemp 031 I AVO contracts with Australia Post, Telecom

Australian Electoral Commission

13. Maguire 054 r Duplicate enrolments detected by Electoral

Commission

14. Teague 0631 Key dates for redistribution

15. Walters 070 r Persons denied enrolment because of their title

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Employment, Education and Training Portfolio

Department of Employment, Education and Training

No. Senator Page/ Subject

Column

l. Tambling 076 r Financial assistance to non-government schools

" Tambling 077 1 Variations between States ... 3. Tambling 0771 Adjustments for family residence

4. Tambling 0771 Additional parental contribution

5. Tambling 0771 Financial assistance for Aboriginal employment by AUSSAT, NT Government, Imparja and CAAMA

6. Tambling 0771 DEET/ATSIC charter flights for Aboriginals

7. Tambling 0771 Participants' contribution to costs

8. Tambling 0771 Number of charters arranged but not used, and costs

9. Kemp 0771 AUSTUDY payments to secondary students each

year

10; Kemp 0771 AUSTUDY payments to tertiary students each year

11. Kemp 0771 Secondary students receiving AUSTUDY each year

12. Kemp 0771 Tertiary students receiving AUSTUD Y each year

13. Kemp 0771 AUSTUDY expenditure on secondary students

14. Kemp 0 771 AUSTUD Y expenditure on tertiary students

15 . Kemp 0771 Growth in AUSTUD Y for tertiary students

16. Kemp 077 r Benefits control

17 . Kemp 077 r Decentralisation of AUSTUD Y processing

18. Kemp 077r Students receiving assistance by type of allowance

19. Kemp 0 77 r Cost if age of student independence reduced from 25

to 21

20. Kemp D77r Cost if Government raised Personal Income Test by

$1,000

21. Kemp D77r Savings from benefits control

22 . Kemp 0 78 r Performance indicators for higher education

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No. Senator Page/ Subject

Column

23 . Kemp 078 r Departmental grants to organisations by program

24. Kemp 078 r Groups receiving pre-Budget departmental briefings

25. Kemp 078 r Opinion polling undertaken by department

26. Kemp 078 r Allocation to Block Grant Authority

27. Kemp 0791 Number of students in each non-government school

category

28. Teague 0791 Australian second language learning program

29 . Teague 079 r National Aboriginal Language Program

30. Teague 080 r Maintenance of Adyamantha language in Flinders Ranges

31. Teague 080 r Funds for teaching Adyamantha in schools

32. Teague 080 r Maintenance and teaching of Aboriginal languages in schools

33. Teague 082 r Return of allowances to Chinese students

34. Kemp 085 I Training guarantee levy in non-government schools

35 . Teague 0 851 Unsuccessful applications for funding under Block Grant Authority

36. Teague 085 r Cost if successful

37. Teague 0 85 r Three schools which received capital grants but

closed in 1989

38. Teague 0 85 r Amount returned by these 3 schools

39. Teague 0 85 r Asian Studies Council language priorities

40. Teague 086 r Membership of Asian Studies Council

41. Tambling 093 r Access of Aboriginal children to primary school

42 . Tambling 0941 Grants for Aboriginal education under Country Areas Program

43. Tambling 0 941 Special Retention Rate Measures for Schools -Students at Risk - participating institutions

44. Tambling 0 941 Aboriginal Overseas Study Award Scheme

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45. Tambling 094 r Aboriginal participants in Australian Traineeship System

46. Tambling 094 r Trainee mobility assistance targeted to Aboriginals

47 . Tambling 094 r Skillshare projects in Aboriginal communities

48 . Tambling 095 I Aboriginal participants in Jobstart

49. Tambling 095 I Processing period for ABSTUDY applications

50. Tambling 095 r Travel expenses for participants of Information and Preparation Program

51. Tambling 095 r Aboriginal consultants employed under Aboriginal Employment Action

52 . Tambling 095 r Aboriginal communities participating in Community Skills Program

53. Tambling 095 r Specialist Aboriginal field staff employed by Aboriginal Employment and Education Development Units

54. Tambling 0961 Aboriginal businesses assisted under Enterprise Employment Assistance

55. Tambling 0961 Aboriginal DEET staff involved in education

56. Tambling 0961 Number of Aboriginals employed through Aboriginal Services Action Plan

57 . Tambling 096 r Projects funded under Aboriginal Education Strategic Initiatives Program

58 . Tambling 096 r Details of Aboriginal Tutorial Assistance Scheme

59. Tambling 096 r DEET's running costs for programs targeted to Aboriginals

60. Tambling 096 r Findings of Interim Committee on Aboriginal Education

61. Kemp 097 r Publication of NBEET minutes

62. Kemp 097 r Post 1992 funding arrangements for schools

63. Kemp 097 r Capital allowances

64. Kemp 097 r Restriction on private effort for non-government

schools

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Column

65 . Kemp 0981 Review of the Community Standard

66. Kemp 0981 Recategorisation of non-government schools

67. Kemp 098 r Attainment of Community Standard

68. Kemp 098 r Relationship between Community Standard and

Assessment Standard

69. Kemp 098 r Response to NBEET recommendation on categories

for new non-government schools

70. Kemp 098 r Conditions attaching to General Recurrent Grants

7 1. Kemp 098 r Health cover premiums in non-government schools

72 . Kemp 098 r Cost of educating a child in a government school

73. Kemp 0991 OEET reviews of teaching profession

74. Kemp 0991 Status of $37,200 benchmark for teachers' salaries

75. Kemp 0991 Publication of submissions to NBEET

76. Kemp 0 991 Operations and publications of Australian Education

Council

77. Kemp 0991 Legislation under Higher Education Funding Act

78. Kemp 0991 Performance indicators for higher education

79 . Kemp 099 r Level of over enrolment, by institution

80. Kemp 099 r Number of over enrolments in tertiary institutions

81. Kemp 099 r Higher Education Council!DEET Working Party on

Teaching Infrastructure

82. Kemp 0 99 r Relative Funding Model

83. Kemp 0100 I Studies on teaching costs

84. Kemp 0100 I Submissions to Relative Funding Model - a draft

proposal

85. Kemp 0100 I Effect of staff shortages on salary rates and hiring

86. Kemp 0100 I Plans to expand postgraduate education

87 . Kemp 0100 r Enrolments in engineering

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No. Senator Page/ Subject

Column

88. Kemp D100 r Staff Statistical Collection a nd Student Data

Collection manuals

89. Kemp D100 r Impact of amalgamations on Export Market

Development Grants Scheme

90. Kemp D100 r Assessment of unmet demand for T AFE courses

91. Kemp D101 I Enrolments in Adult Literacy Programs

92 . Kemp 0101 I DEET response to Audit Report No.24

93. Kemp D101 I Post graduate enrolments in research based courses

94. Kemp D101 I Unsuccessful higher education amalgamations

95. Kemp D101 r Difficulties with research profile process

96. Kemp D101 r Amalgamation of Swinburne Institute of Technology

97. Kemp D101 r Amalgamation of Royal Melbourne Institute of

Technology

98. Kemp D101 r Evaluation of institutional profiles

99. Kemp D101 r Guidelines for higher education funding programs

100. Kemp 0104 r Cost of higher education sector equalisation

101. Kemp D110 I Reasons for students' failure to obtain university

places

102. Zakharov D112 I Mature age women in higher education

103. Kemp D113 I Format of educational profiles

104 . Kemp D113 r Performance indicators in higher education

105. Kemp D113 r Criteria for research grants through Australian

Research Council

106. Kemp D114 I Peak bodies submitting proposals to Australian

Research Council

107 . Kemp D115 I Guidelines for the national priority reserve fund

108. Kemp D116 I Type of study undertaken by T AFE students

109. Kemp D116 r Commonwealth analysis ofT AFE's broadly based skills training

110. Kemp D116 r Qualifications of Australian traineeship participants

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No. Senator Page/ Subject

Column

111. Kemp 0117 r OEET studies in literacy and numeracy of primary

school children

112. Kemp 0118 I International Literacy Year funds

113. Kemp 0118 r Eligible secondary and tertiary students receiving AUSTUOY

114. Kemp 0118 r Number of AUSTUOY recipients dependent on this for continued study

115. Kemp 0120 r Cost of each job placement through the CES

116. Parer 0121 I OEET directive refusing services to non-union

employers

117 0 Zakharov 0122 I National Office of Overseas Skills Recognition

118. Kemp 0122 I National Union of Students travel expenses for

Budget briefing

119. Short 01 r AOP/information technology staff numbers.

consultants, budget

120. Short 021 Consumer, trade union, board representation

121. Short 02 1 Research studies, opinion polls commissioned

122. Short 021 Grants to trade unions, community groups

123. Short 02 r Advertising or promotional projects commissioned

124. Short 02 r Committees of inquiry being conducted

125. Short 02 r Provision of departmental mailing lists

126. Short 031 Involvement in inter-departmental committees

127. Short 03 Internal departmental policy committees

128. Bishop 03 r Use of ANOP, details of survey results

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission

1. Short 031 Inter-departmental committees

2. Short 031 Internal departmental policy committees

3. Panizza 0123 r Liability for fire damage on W A stations

4. Kemp 0125 I Organisations receiving funding under Program 1.1

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Column

5. Kemp 0126 r Development assistance funds, Kimberley properties

6. Kemp 0132 r Kimberley AMSC health tr?ining course

7. Kemp 0135 I Funding of Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre for

overseas meeting on return of skeletal remains

8. Kemp 0135 I Community Support Services grants

9. Kemp 0135 I Aboriginal Women's conference

10. Kemp 0135 r Business Funding Scheme

11. Kemp 0135 r Aboriginal Enterprise Incentive Scheme

12 . Kemp 0135 r Management Advisory Service consultants. fees. use

13. Kemp 0136 I Yarrabah Community Council use of CDEP grant

14. Kemp 0136 1 Local Government Training Council grant details

15. Kemp 0136 I Palm Island Aboriginal Council grant details

16. Kemp 0136 I KAMSC La Orange environmental health training

17 . Kemp 01361 CAMU Community computer training course

18. Kemp 0136 r Townsville A & I Media Association computer

accounting course

19 . Kemp 0136 r AMS Redfern grant to Ms Meyers

20. Kemp 0136 r Tharawal medical service costs

21. Kemp 0137 1 Walgett AMS grant expenditure

22. Kemp 0137 1 Tharpuntoo Legal Service grant for legal awareness

training

23 . Kemp 0137 I Mornington Shire Council training grants

24. Kemp 0137 I Communities receiving $1m for physical assets

25. Kemp 0137 r Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre costs, expenditure,

payments to Mr Mansell

26. Kemp 0137 r Barwon Aboriginal Community - reservatio ns in

auditor's report

27. Tambling Establishment funding of A TSIC regional offices

28. Tambling NT initiatives to combat substance abuse

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Column

29. Kemp Unacquitted grants since 1985

Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs Portfolio

1. Short 02 r Departmental mailing lists

2. Kemp 0151 I Cost of implementing new migration regulations

3. Kemp 0157 r Cost per applicant, refugee SHP, and total cost

DORS

4. Kemp 0157 r Grant of refugee status applied for, approved

5. Parer 0170 I Benefits. loans support to refugees, SHP entry

6. Parer 01 71 I Availability, reports on individual ethnic groups

7. Parer 01 7 1 1 Application for citizenship, pre-qualifying

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RESERVATION BY SENATOR PARER

17 October 1990

Mr John Carter Secretary Estimates Committee D The Senate

Parliament House CANBERRA ACT 2600

Dear Mr Carter,

By way of reservation I recommend that the following matters relating to estimates of expenditure referred to your Committee be further examined by the Senate.

The right to speak on the matters listed below in the Committee of the Whole debate of the Appropriation Bills is accordingly reserved.

Department of Administrative Services

Program 1

• Australian Construction Services charging

• Contractor bankruptcies

• Tender for uninterrupted power supply for DSS Office park at

Tuggeranong, ACT

Program 2

• Australian Valuation Office staffing

• Transport and Storage - staffing and accounting procedures of COMCAR

• Purchasing and tendering procedures

• Australian Government Publishing Service staffing

Program 3

• Special enquiries (Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody)

• Parliamentarians' entitlements and facilities

• Overseas Property Services administration and costing

Program 4

• Australian Electoral Commission - condition of electoral rolls and

enrolment procedures

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Department of Employment, Education and Training

Program 1.1

• The inability of the Department to provide details on the status of

development of a new capital allowance policy for schools foreshadowed to commence in 1992.

• The failure of the Department to provide details on the status of

deliberations on the increasing of the allowable private effort by schools to 5% per annum.

• The failure of the Department to provide details on what implications would flow if a review of the Community Standard revealed that schools which had been placed in Categories 1 to 7 of funding had not in fact reached the Community Standard.

Program 2.1

• The failure of the answer to the question on notice on projections for the Higher Education Contribution Scheme to provide the assumptions upon which these projections were based such as student numbers, the level of the charge and the factor by which accumulated debt was indexed.

• The failure of the Department to provide comprehensive information on the effects of current policies in higher education such as the clawback of operating grants, the decline in funding per effective full time student unit, the impact of the amalgamation on administrative efficiency and the cost of

its data collections.

Program 5

• Commonwealth Employment Service directive for potential employees to - non-union organisations

Department of Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs

Program 1

• Issues relating to student visas

Program 5

• Issues relating to local government funding, the HACC Program and States Grants Commissions.

Yours sincerely

(Warwick Parer) Liberal Senator for Queensland

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RESERVATION BY SENATOR TAMBLING

I recommend that the Senate further examine the following matters relating to the questions on notice put by me to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission and the Department of Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs

Program 1.1: Component 1.1.2: Land Ownership and Administration Land Ownership and Administration in the Northern

Territory and Jervis Bay Territory.

Libel/defamation claim against the Northern Land Council.

Program 3.3: Administrative Support and Services

Immigration Housing - Darwin

Senator R. Boswell on behalf of Senator Tambling Senator for the Northern Territory

17 October 1990

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1Ift PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA THE SENATE PAAUAMENT HOUSE CANBERRA ACf 2600 'ffi; (06) 277 3922

18 October 1990

Mr John Carter Secretary Estimates Committee D The Senate

Parliament House CANBERRA ACT 2600

Dear Mr Carter,

BILLO'CHEE SENATOR FOR QUEENSlAND

COMMONWEALTH PARLIAMENT OFFICES 295 ANN STREET BRISBANE Q 4000 TEL: (07) 225 2087 FAX: (07) 221 3886

LG/CBR

By way of reservation I recommend that the following matters relating to estimates of expenditure referred to your Committee be further examined by the Senate.

Department of Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs

Program 1, Sub-program 2

Allocation of resources to facilitate the management of Business Migration and SHP permits.

Program 1, Sub-program 3

Allocation of resources to facilitate the management of the ELICOS visas.

Screening of applicants for ELICOS visas.

Yours sincerely,

.mL

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Administrative Services Portfolio

Department of Administrative Services

Questions on notice from Senator Jim Short Questions on notice from Senator Bronwyn Bishop Questions on notice from Senator Rod Kemp Questions on notice from Senator Grant Tambling List of officers in attendance Minister's opening statement Trust account operations

accountability captivity of client groups community service obligations BCA study on competitive tendering Apparent appropriation/staffing imbalance

Program 1 - Property Services

Sale of housing to Commonwealth public servants in NT Land tenure arrangements, Tracy Village & Pandanis Caravan Park Underutilised OAS property Future of Mob Siding, Seymour APG charges for service to government Coordination on housing sales Refurbishment of the provisional Parliament House Sale of surplus land in capital cities

ANAO comments on fire safety surveys Discontinuation of capital works program Budget paper ACS provision of housing, Tindal - complaints Cost differentials, construction industry, by State

ACS construction company tendering processes charging policy use of apprentices

non-government work fire alarm systems contract, RAAF Edinburgh Uninterrupted power supply system, OSS Tuggeranong Maritime command centre, Garden Island ACS furniture testing facility

competition with AFRDI Australian Valuation Office morale quasi-commercialisation

1Q

01 03 03 04 05 06 07 08 08 010

09 09

011 012 D 14 014 015 015 016 016 016 018 019 020

020 022 023 023 024

025, 029 026 026 028

030 031

Program 2 - Sales and Services

Comcar billing rates, problems Comcar women drivers

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Taxation status, parliamentarians opting for own car Common use contract commissions Purchasing and sales supplier specialisation

simplification of the tendering process Purchasing Reform Group program Offshore - What for? simplification of tendering Australian Government Publishing Service

policy of open tendering industrial problems

Program 3 - Government and Corporate Services

Herbert Evatt, Lionel Murphy Foundation grants in aid Ionospheric Prediction Service Royal Commisssion into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody national organisations appearing

fi nancial assistance to families of deceased family travel costs to attend hearings Criminology Research Unit questions on notice from Senator Rod Kemp

remuneration of commissioners, counsel assisting extension of reporting Date Political Exchange Program Ministerial consultants Secretary's delegation to write off losses

Postal allowances debt write-off Home base ex-Senator Jenkins as Senator Powell's staffer Parliament House Construction Authority Design errors rectification Overseas Property Services, Islamabad, Japan, Beijing

Program 4 - Australian Electoral Commission

Aboriginal Electoral Information Service Keeping of the Queensland electoral rolls 1991 redistribution Duplicate and provisional enrolments Electoral education centres GALILEO electoral management systems Block exclusion of candidates to expedite Senate count Multiple voting cases, issues ORO follow-up of "returns to sender" Population projections work in progress Claims for public funding from parties, candidates

031 034 035 035

0 36 0 37

039 040

041 042

042 043

044 044 045 045 045 046 047 047 048 048 049 052

052 056

052, 057 053 054

054, 057 055 055 056 058 060

061 061

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Electoral expenditure inclusions Use of censor collector district information Progress of the Senate count, 1990 election Availability of information on political donations Checks on identity of organisational, corporate donors Oeregistration of political parties

arne changes and eligibility for electoral roll Postal votes from isolated situations Reduction in wasted votes, 1990 election Checks on declaration votes Conspectus, Commonwealth, State electoral legislation Assistance re elections in Namibia

Employment, Education and Training Portfolio

Department of Employment. Education and Training

Questions on notice from Senator Tambling Questions on notice from Senator Kemp

Program 1 - Schools

Evaluation of Australian second language program Evaluation of National Aboriginal Language Program Maintenance and teaching of Aboriginal languages Modifications to post 1992 funding arrangements Community standard

Restrictions on private fund raising Categories of new, non-government, non-systemic schools National negotiations on the quality of teaching

Return of moneys to Chinese students China task force Regulation of ELICOS institutions Funding model for higher education

Retention of technical courses in merged CAEs Mo nitoring of higher education courses Collection of premiums for overseas student health cover Training guarantee le vy and non-government schools

Capital grants to schools Asian languages Asian Studies Council Career education

National assessment at Year 12

062 063 065 067

d68 d69 d69 d72 d73 0 74 0 74 0 75

0 77 0 77

079 079 080 080

081 081 081 081 082 083 083 084 084 084 085 085 085

085 086 086 087

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Thursday, 20 September 1990

Department of Employment. Education and Training (cone)

Questions on notice from Senator Tambling Questions on notice from Senator Kemp

Program 2 - Higher Education

HECS - rates of interest Cost efficiencies of amalgamations in higher education Loss of diversity Current negotiations on amalgamations Equity in salaries and conditions Outcomes of amalgamations Changes to student-staff ratios Institutional profiles Matthews report on accounting education Relative funding model

impact on research funding adjustment mechanisms guiding principles Staff shortages Unmet demand in tertiary institutions Impact of HECS on enrolment Supply of statistical data by tertiary institutions Diversity in higher education Promotion procedures Educational profiles of tertiary institutions Performance indicators Australian Research Council

criteria for allocation of grants base grant Refunds to overseas students

Program 3 - Skills Formation

Type of training provided by T AFE Australian Traineeship System

Program 4 - Special Employment. Education and Income Support

Job clubs Literacy and numeracy AUSTUOY impact on participation rates

benefits control fraud income and assets tests

22

093 097

0102 0103 0103 0104 0104 0105 0105 0105 0106

0106 0107 0108 0109 0109 0110 0110 0 I ll

0111 0112 0113

0113 0114 0115

0116 0116

0117

0117,118

0118 0118 0119 0119

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Program 5 - Labour Market Operation

Employer charging in CES Costs of job placement Directive relating to non-union employers Definition of disadvantaged job seeker Recognition of overseas skills

Program 6 - Corporate Services and Portfolio Advising

Budget briefing for National Union of Students

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission

Program 1 - Land and Economic Development

Public liability insurance, Aboriginal pastoral groups Purchase of Ullawarra pastoral property Projects deemed not to be commercially viable Land rights situation, Victoria, Tasmania Funding to Anangu Pitjantjatjara Grants provided to SA Aboriginal organisations Transfers of W A mission lands

Assistance to Kimberley pastoral properties Costs incurred by land commisssioners NT & Jervis Bay Wreck Bay Aboriginal community council grant Kidman Springs/Jasper Gorge land claim

Aboriginal Benefits Trust Account A TSIC investment plans Questions taken on notice

Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs Portfolio

Department of Immigration. Local Government and Ethnic Affairs

Officers in attendance Questions on notice from Senator Grant Tambling The Department's mission Changes to the points test

Population strategies Revenue from applications for migration Compliance staff numbers

Program 1 - Migration and Visitor Entry

Controls on non-citizens entering, departing Australia ELICOS students overstayers checks on bona fides

Bureau of Immigration Research

23

0120 0120 0120 0121 0122

0122

0122 0123 0123 0124

D124 0125 D126 0126 0126 0126 0127 0127 0127 0130

0138 0138 0139 0139

0140 0140 0140

0141

0141 D142 0144

International intelligence-gathering Medical checks for permanent entry ''Innocent illegals" Business migration program agents Mandatory HIV testing Overseas staffing reductions

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Costs of accommodating new migration regulations Skilled intake levels PRC nationals ' applications for temporary entry Family migration Processing times for family members Inter-country adoptions Changes to entry on grounds of marriage to Australian citizen Grant of resident status applications Entry under "companionship" status Entry of foreign pilots Refugee, SHP projections Negotiations with Cambodia re Khmer asylum seekers Involuntary repatriation policy Preferential family reunion outcomes Business migration program survey Pipeline processing of PRC students Study on the impact of working holiday-makers Profiles, high visitor visa non-compliance countries Immigration review panels cases Numbers of illegal immigrants Removal of Cambodian boat people to Port Hedland Inquiries into allegations re Mr Michael Ross Incidence of contrived marriages/de facto relationships Officers facing PS disciplinary or criminal charges Compliance activity limited by detention facilities

Program 2 - Seulement

Amended objectives Development of settlement plans Ethnic community grants distribution, evaluation Rise in administrative expenditure National Language Service Bureau Migrant Access Project Scheme Services to refugees MRC program

Program 3 - Corporate Services

Reports on individual ethnic communities Privacy Commissioner guidelines Clearance rates of correspondence

0144 0145 0148 0150 0150 015 1 0151 0151 0152 0153 0154 0154 0154 0155 0156 0157 0157 0158 0158 0159 0160 0161 0162 0162 0163 0164 0164 0165. 0165 0166 0166

0167 0167 0168 0168 0169 0169 0170 01 70

0170 0171 0172

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Program 4 - Citizenship

Waiver, reduction of citizenship fees Payment in advance of residential qualifications

Program 5 - Office of Local Government

Regional cooperation between councils Community initiatives. north Queensland World Heritage adjustment package Rise in staffing costs Community relations strategy CGC review of interstate relativities Albury-Wodonga Development Act amendments

Local government insurance database Road funding demonstration projects Pilot negotiated agreements between levels of government Level of satisfaction with States Grants Commissions National network of regional organisations of councils Local government development program changes

0172 0173

0173

01 74 01 75 01 75 01 75

0176 0176 01 76 01 77

0178 01 79 0180

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

N0.4

TUESDAY, 11 SEPTEMBER, 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 3.59 pm in the

Government Advisers Waiting Area, adjacent to the Senate Chamber.

2. ELECTION OF A CHAIR: Senator Zakharov was nominated to Chair the Committee and was duly elected.

3. ORDER OF BUSINESS: The Committee agreed to consider the estimates of departments in the following order: Department of Administrative Services, Department of Employment, Education and Training, Department of Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 4.03 pm.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senato rs Zakharov, Kemp. Maguire and Teague.

CONFIRMED:

Senator Olive Zakharov Chair

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

N0.5

THURSDAY, 13 SEPTEMBER, 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 2.02 pm in the office to House of Representatives Committee Room No. 5.

2. DURATION OF HEARINGS: The Committee agreed to adjourn hearings on this day at 10.30 pm and to conclu de the examination of all three

departments at the hearings sc heduled for 20 September 1990.

3. ADJOURNMENT : The Committee adj ourned at 2.04 pm.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Zakharov, Kem p, Loosley , Maguire and Teague.

CONFIRMED:

Senator Olive Zakharov Chair

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO.6

THURSDAY 13. SEPTEMBER 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 2.05pm in House of Representatives Committee Room No. 5. Senator Zakharov took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1990-1991: DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES. The Committee commenced its consideration of the Proposed Additional Expenditure of the Department of Administrative Services.

In attendance was Senator the Hon. Nick Bolkus, Minister for

Administrative Services, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Administrative Services -Property Services Mr J Woonton, Acting Executive General Manager

Australian Property Group Mr R. Hoy, Acting General Manager Mr P. Ferrari, Acting Assistant General Manager, Estate Services Mr A Moran, Acting Assistant General Manager, Business Management Mr R. Stevens, Assistant Director, Special Projects

Australian Construction Services - Project Services Mr M. Williams, Acting General Manager Mr G. Setchell, Acting Assistant General Manager, Civil Projects Mr K. Sweeney, Acting Business Manager

Australian Construction Services - Asset Services Mr T. Barrell. General Manager Mr P. Rake, Business Operations Manager

Australian Surveying and Land Information Mr G. Lindsay, General Manager Mr J . Sheaves, Assistant General Manager, Operations and Resource Management Branch Mr J. Riddell, Manager, Resource Management Unit

Australian Valuation Office Mr G . Doody, Acting General Manager Mr T. Groube, Director, Business Management

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Program Coordination and Marketing Mr A. McKenzie, Director Mr H . Hoefnagels, Acting Assistant General Manager, Finance and Systems

Sa les and Services Mr C. McAlister, Executive General Ma nager

Transport and Storage Mr B. H inchcliffe, General Manager Mr D . Rome, National Manager, Warehousing and Distribution Mr W. Gray, National Manager, Flee t Mr M. Nelson, Acting National Manager, COMCAR Mr J. Whiting, Acting National Manager. Removals Services Mr R. Hewitt. Assistant General Manager, Finance and Systems

Purchasing and Sales Group Mr P. Grills, Assistant General Manager. Purchasing Services Mr V. Shevchenko. Assistant General Manager, Information Technology and Australian Capital Territory Purchasing Mr M. Hinder. Assistant General Manager, Sales

Purchasing Reform Group Mr T . Butler, General Manager Mr L. Le Fevre, Assistant General Manager Mr K. Erwood, Manager, Purchase Australia Office Mr R. Jackson, Manager, Purchasing Development Centre

Australian Protective Service Mr P. Dawson . General Manager

Australian Government Analytical Laboratories Dr C. Dahl, Australian Government Analyst Mr S. Galloway, Business Manager

Australian Government Publishing Service Mr R. Rubie, Acting General Manager Mr D . Drew, Assistant General Manager, Business Management Mr R. Hargreaves, Acting Assistant General Manager, Operations

Coordination & Marketing Mr G. Semmens. Director

Government & Corporate Services Mr A.A. Hillier. Executive General Manager

Corporate Management Mr P.J . T ayl or, General Manager, Human Resource and Information Services Mr G .J. Bashford. General Manager, Finance and Corporate Affairs Mr F . Bowles, Acting Assistant General Manager, Performance

Revi ew and Audit Mr P. Needham, Manager, Executive and Administrative Support, Performance Review and Audit

Ionospheric Prediction Service Dr D. Cole, Director

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Special Inquiries (Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody) Mr J. Gavin, Secretary Ms J. Sheppard, Assistant Secretary Mr P. Bryant, Director. Finance

Management of Government Records Mr S. Skrzypek. Acting Director-General, Australian Archives

Overseas Property Services Dr D. Dahlberg, Acting General Manager Mr D. Wilson. Assistant General Manager, O verseas Construction and Services

Parliamentary & Ministerial Services Mr J . Lleonart, General Manager Mr P. O'Neill, Assistant General Manager, Client Services Branch Mr R. Webb. Assistant General Manager, Communications and

Facilities Branch

Australian Electoral Commission Mr B. Cox, Electoral Commissioner Mr P. Skinner, Assistant Commissioner, Corporate Services Mr P. Dacey, Assistant Commissioner, Development and Research Mr T. Wilson, Assistant Commissioner, Information and Education Ms K. Rehn, Assistant Commissioner, Industrial Elections Ms A Smith, Director, Resources Management Mr D. Farrell, Director, Roll Maintenance Mr A Wall, Director, Internal Audit Mr A de Zilva, Director, Funding and Disclosure Section

Commonwealth Grants Commission Mr A Glasson, Secretary

Parliament House Construction Authority Mr J.D. Fowler. Chief Executive

Department of Finance -Defence and Government Division Mr P. Yarra, Director Mr B. Hackett, Senior Finance Officer Mr N. Williams. Senior Finance Officer

The Chair called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration by the Committee:

Program 1 Program 2 Program 3 Program 4 Program 5 Program 6

Property Services Sales and Services Government and Corporate Services Australian Electoral Commission Commonwealth Grants Commission Parliament House Construction Authority

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The Committee concluded its examination of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Administrative Services 1990-1991, subject to an undertaking by the Minister and officers of the Department to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-1991:

DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION AND TRAINING. The Committee commenced its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Department of Employment, Education and Training. In attendance was Senator the Han. Nick Bolkus, representing the Minister for Employment, Education and Training. accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Employment, Education and Training -Mr P.W. Hickey, Deputy Secretary Dr D.S. Fisher, Director, National Board of Employment, Education and Training Mr C.E. Bannerman, First Assistant Secretary, Economic and

Policy Analysis Division Mr M.A. Gallagher, First Assistant Secretary, Programs Division Mr C.S . Coleman. Acting Assistant Secretary, Program Review and Income Support Branch, Economic and Policy Analysis Division Mr D.J. Phillips, Assistant Secretary. Research Policy and Grants Branch,

Higher Education Division Mr V. Dudley, Director, Finance Section, Higher Education Division Mr A.T. Hird, Director. HECS Section, Higher Education Division Mr A.J. Kaspura, First Assistant Secretary, Management Division Dr S.E. King, Director. Running Costs Section, Management Di vision Mr G.J. Spencer. Acting Director, Program Resources Section,

Management Division Mr J.F. Davies, First Assistant Secretary, Systems Division Mr J.J. Burston. Assistant Secretary, Business and Planning Branch, Systems Division Ms V.A. Tripp, Acting Assistant Secretary, Policy Secretariat Mr J.W. Muir, First Assistant Secretary, International Division Ms L.M. Riggs, Assistant Secretary, Education Exports Branch,

International Division Mr R.R. Crafter, Acting Assistant Secretary, China Task Force, International Division Mr D.C. Dillon, Director. Office of Labour Market Adjustment,

Programs Division Ms S.M. Butler, Assistant Secretary, Employment Access Branch, Programs Division Mr C.R. Robinson, Assistant Secretary. Aboriginal Education Branch,

Programs Division Ms H.M. Allnutt, Acting First Assistant Secretary. Schools and Curriculum Division Mr R.J. Green, Assistant Secretary, Resources and Consultation Branch,

Schools and Curriculum Division Mr N.L. Buck, Acting Assistant Secretary, Program Support Branch, T AFE and Skills Formation Division

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Mr P.W. Pritchard, Director, TAFE Analysis and Administration Section, T AFE and Skills Formation Division Mr P.A. Hartigan, First Assistant Secretary, Client Services Division Mr N.P . Harrigan, Assistant Secretary, Task Force on Employer Charging,

Client Services Division Mr R.G . Harvey, Assistant Secretary, Student Services Branch, Client Services Division

Department of Finance -Mr G.J. Kazs, Chief Finance Officer Mr N. Rokvic. Finance Officer

The Chair called the following programs and sub-programs of proposed expenditure for consideration of the Committee: Program 1 Schools

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned its examination of the proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Employment. Education and Training at 10.31pm.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Zakharov, Boswell, Kemp, Loosley, Maguire. Parer and Teague. Senators M. Baume, O'Chee, Reid, Tambling and Walters also. attended.

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1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 12 .06 p.m. in the Main Committee Room. Senator Zakharov took the chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1990-1991 : DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION AND TRAINING. The Committee continued its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure of the Department of Employment, Education and Training.

In attendance was Senator the Hon Peter Cook, Minister for Industrial Relations, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Employment, Education and Training -Mr P.W. Hickey, Deputy Secretary, DEET Dr D.S. Fisher, Director, NBEET Ms C.Koopman, Principal Executive Officer, Board Secretariat Section,

NBEET Mr C.E. Bannerman, First Assistant Secretary, Economic and Policy Analysis Division Mr C.S. Coleman, Acting Assistant Secretary, Program Review and Income

Support Branch, Economic and Policy Analysis Division Mr B. Milligan, First Assistant Secretary, Higher Education Division Mr W. Mutton, Assistant Secretary, Policy and Review Branch, Higher Education Division Mr D.J. Phillips, Assistant Secretary, Research Policy and Grants Branch,

Higher Education Division Dr E.V. Dudley, Director, Finance Section, Higher Education Division Mr A.T. Hird, Director, HECS Section, Higher Education Division Mr A.J. Kaspura. First Assistant Secretary, Management Division Mr R. Noakes. Acting Assistant Secretary, Resources Management Branch,

Management Division Dr S.E. King, Director. Running Costs Section, Management Division Mr J.F. Davies, First Assistant Secretary, Systems Division Mr J.J . Burston, Assistant Secretary, Business and Planning Branch,

Systems Division Ms V.A. Tripp, Acting Assistant Secretary, Policy Secretariat Mr R.D. Peacock, Assistant Secretary. Asia Pacific Branch, International Division Ms L.M. Riggs, Assistant Secretary, Education Exports Branch,

International Division Mr R.R. Crafter, Acting Assistant Secretary, China Task Force. International Division

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Mr D.C. Dillon, Director, Office of Labour Market Adjustment, Programs Division Mr D.N. Rose, Assistant Secretary, Aboriginal Employment Development Branch, Programs Division Ms S.M. Butler, Assistant Secretary, Employment Access Branch,

Programs Division Mr C.R. Robinson, Assistant Secretary, Aboriginal Education Branch, Programs Division Mr P.J. McMahon, Special Adviser, Community Strategies Branch,

Programs Division Mr M. Murphy, Principal Adviser, T AFE and Skills Formation Division Mr N.L. Buck, Acting Assistant Secretary, Program Support Branch, T AFE and Skills Formation Division Mr P.W. Pritchard, Director, T AFE Analysis and Administration Section,

T AFE and Skills Formation Division Mr L.P . Krbavac, Director, Training Guarantee Unit, T AFE and Skills Formation Division Mr P.A. Hartigan, First Assistant Secretary. Client Services Division Mr R.G. Harvey, Assistant Secretary, Student Services Branch,

Client Services Division

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission -Mr W.J. Gray, Chief Executive Officer Mr G. Menham, General Manager, Corporate Services Mr R. Beadman, General Manager, Policy Development Mr W. Miller, General Manager, Policy Coordination Mr R. Morony, Assistant General Manager, Economics Initiatives Mr P. Goggin , Assistant General Manager, Community Support Policy Mr M. Dillon, Director, Office of Evaluation and Audit Mr M. Stewart, Assistant General Manager, Regional Coordination Mr J. Eldridge, Assistant General Manager, Finance Mr C. Foard, General Manager, Commecial Development Corporation

Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies -Mr W. Dix, Principal. Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies Mr T. Varga, Finance Officer, Australian Institute of Aboriginal and

Torres Strait Islander Studies

Aboriginal Hostels Limited -Mr R.C. Clarke, General Manager. Aboriginal Hostels Limited Mr J . Rooks, Assistant General Manager and Company Secretary, Aboriginal Hostels Limited

Department of Finance -Mr G .J. Kazs, Chief Finance Officer Dr W. Jarvie, Finance Officer Mr N. Rokvic, Finance Officer Ms S. Short, Finance Officer.

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The Chair called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration by the Committee:

Program 2 Higher Education Program 3 Skills Formation Program 4 Special Employment. Education and Income Support Program 5 Labour Market Operation Program 6 Corporate Services and Portfolio Advising Program 7 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission

The Committee concluded its examination of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Employment. Education and Training 1990-1991 , subject to an undertaking by the officers of the Department to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-1991

DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION. LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ETHNIC AFFAIRS.

In attendance was Senator the Han. Peter Cook. representing the Minister for Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs. accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Immigration, Local Government and Ethnic Affairs -Mr W. Gibbons, Deputy Secretary Dr J . Nieuwenhuysen, Director, Bureau of Immigration Research Mr A Struik, Deputy Director, Bureau of Immigration Research Mr I. Simington, Principal Adviser Mr M. Lynch, First Assistant Secretary, Migration and Ethnic Affairs

Policy Division Mr E. Joseph, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Development and Systems Division Mr L. Bugden, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Operations

Management Division Ms P. McCahey, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Management Division Mr D. Wheen. First Assistant Secretary, Office of Loc::tl Government Mr T. Rodgers, Registrar, Immigration Review Tribunal Mr N. Hoffmann, Assistant Secretary. Economic Policy Branch Mr C. Dear, Acting Assistant Secretary, Social Policy Branch Ms S. Ingram, Assistant Secretary, Policy Secretariat Branch

Mr B. Smith, Acting Assistant Secretary. Procedures Branch Mr K. Owen. Assistant Secretary. Overseas Operations Branch Mr V. McMahon, Assistant Secretary, Regional Operations Branch Mr P. Hughes, Assistant Secretary. Central Operations Branch Mr E. Brookbanks. Assistant Secretary, Resource Management Branch Mr J. Norman, Director. Corporate Policy Planning Section Mr P. Donnellan. Acting Director. Resources Section Ms L. Daw. Director, Machinery of Government Section Mr B. Strangio. Director. Cost Recovery Project Mr D . Harris, Director, Assessments Information Section

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Department of Finance -Mr J. Templeman, Chief Finance Officer Mr R. de Ferranti, Finance Officer

Mr K. McAndrew, Finance Officer

The Chair called on the following programs of proposed expenditure for consideration by the Committee:

Program 1 Program 2 Program 3 Program 4 Program 5

Migration and Visitor Entry Settlement Corporate Services Citizenship Office of Local Government

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.33 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Zakharov, BoswelL Kemp, Loosley, Maguire and Parer. Senators O'Chee and Panizza also attended.

CONFIRMED

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TUESDAY, 16 OCTOBER, 1990

1. PRIVATE MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 1.47 pm in the Government Advisers Area, adjacent to ·the Senate Chamber. Senator Zakharov took the Chair.

2. MINUTES: The Committee confirmed the minutes of meetings Nos 4, 5, 6 and 7 held on 11 September, 13 September and 20 September 1990.

3. REPORT: The draft report of the Committee, previously circulated to members, was adopted as a report of the Committee subject to amendments. Reservations to the report were foreshadowed by Senators Kemp and Parer.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.58 pm.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Zakharov, Kemp, Maguire, Parer and Teague.

6. CERTIFIED CORRECT:

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Rec:Qmmendation that Expenditure be Approved

1. Estimates Committee E presents its report to the Senate.

2. 23 August 1990 the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of

Proposed Expenditure for 1990-1991 and expenditure under the Advance to the

Minister for Finance for the year ending 30 June 1990 in relation to the following

Portfolios:

Transport and Communications; and

Attorney-General's.

3. These expenditures were considered by the Committee, which took into

account the Explanatory Notes provided by the Portfolios and the information

obtained through its hearings on 13 and 20 September 1990.

4. The Committee recommends that the Senate approve, without amendment or

request for amendment, eqMmditure in accordance with the estimates referred to the

Committee.

Availability of Legal Opinions

5. In the course of examining the Attorney-General's Portfolio clarification was

obtained on types of questions put by members of Estimates Committees which need

not be answered by the Minister or officials in attendance:

(a) answers need not be given to questions seeking a legal opinion.

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(b) subject to a possible qualification discussed in paragraph 6, a copy of

a legal opinion prepared at the request of a client (eg. another

Department or a statutory authority) should not be provided. Requests

for a copy should be directed to the client. It is for the client to decided

if a copy of the opinion will be provided.

(c) answers that reveal information provided to Attorney-General's by a

client for the purpose of obtaining a legal opinion should not be given.

For example, if a client seeks an opinion on -the validity of a contract

and provides the contractual documents to Attorney-General's, the

latter should not provide copies if asked at an Estimates Committee

hearing. Nor should it answer questions as to the contents of the

documents. Questions seeking such documents, or information as to

their contents, should be directed to the client.

(d) answers should not be given that would disclose what advice was given

by Attorney-General's or what action it has taken on behalf of a client

in relation to a particular legal matter. Again, information on these

matters should be sought from the client.

The Committee understands these principles to apply to such questions directed to

the Attorney, his Department, the Australian Government Solicitor, and the Office

of the Solicitor General.

6. The principles in (b), (c) and (d) parallel the confidentiality obligations of a

private solicitor to his or her client. The Committee was told that in one respect,

however, Attorney-General's practice did not conform to that applying between a

private solicitor and client. When an opinion on the interpretation of particular

legislation is given by Attorney-General's to a client, a copy of the opinion is

routinely given to the Department whose Minister has responsibility for

administering it. Similarly, an opinion sought from a section or agency within the

Attorney-General's Portfolio on legislation for which the Attorney is responsible

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would be circulated more widely within the Portfolio than}he requesting section or

agency.

7. In the latter context (circulation within the Portfolio), the Minister for Justice

and Consumer Affairs, Senator Tate, explained the rationale to the Committee as

follows (Hansard, 13 September 1990, p. E7):

It would be silly to deprive yourself of advice which would help in the proper administration of an Act where you have responsibility to

implement it in a proper manner.

A similar rationale applies to the provision of a copy of an opinion to a Department

other than Attorney-General's.

8. Given the existence of, and rationale for, this exception to the private solicitor­

client confidentiality rules, the Committee considered that Senators seeking

information at Estimates Committee hearings should be able to obtain copies of

particular opinions confined to statutory interpretation. The help given to Senators

by opinions as to the meaning of an Act can be as vital as that given to the

Department whose Minister has responsibility for administering the Act.

9. The Committee considered that a Parliamentary Committee should be able

to obtain an opinion from the Attorney or his Department on a confidential basis.

However, the Committee recommends that this matter should be further examined

by the Senate in the light of the answer on it provided by the Attorney-General's

Department (see Attachment A).

Witnesses from Off-Budget Authorities

10. On 10 September 1990, the Minister for Transport and Communications, Mr

Beazley, wrote to the Committee seeking its agreement to the adoption of a set of

principles to govern the appearance of his Portfolio's Government Business

Enterprises (GBEs) before the Committee. (The letter is set out as Attachment B to

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this report.) The Minister proposed that representatives of_GBEs appear if the GBE

receives funding through the Appropriation Bills being considered, or if the GBE's

community service obligations 'are funded in a way which substitutes for direct

budget funding'. Telecom and Australia Post are the major GBEs in the latter

category.

11. The Committee considers that these principles are acceptable provided that

their application does not preclude continuing sympathetic treatment of requests

from Senators that represe'ntatives from a specific GBE attend a particular hearing.

In October 1989 for example, a representative of Australian Airlines attended,

reflecting interest linked to the pilots' dispute which was then occurring. Similarly,

in the current hearings representatives of the Federal Airports Corporation attended,

reflecting the interest expressed in the third runway proposal for Kingsford Smith

Airport.

12. The Committee notes that Mr Beazley's proposal leaves unaffected the current

practice whereby questions relating to a GBE which is not represented at the

hearing and which cannot be answered by the Departmental officers present are

normally taken on notice by the Department. The questions are forwarded by the

Department to the GBE, which provides a written response.

Appreciation for Assistance Given

13. The Committee is grateful for the assistance given by the Minister for Justice

and Consumer Affairs, the Minister for Shipping and Aviation Support, and officers

from the Portfolios examined. Written answers to questions taken on notice during

the hearings will be tabled in the Senate.

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Recommendation that Some Matters be Further Examined

14. The Committee recommends that the following matters be open to further

examination by the Senate in relation to the proposed expenditure for the Attorney­

General's Portfolio:

- the administration of the Family Court of Australia (program 4.2) due to the

nature of its work, the impact of its operation on the community and the

public concerns relating to it; and

- the funding and work of the National Crime Authority (program 6.2) due to

the public concerns relating to it.

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Senator Vanstone asked the following questions :

ATTACHMEt-lT

What happens when a parliamentary committee seeks advice specifically on the interpretaion of an Acr?(E9)

What happens to that advice? Is it returned straight to the committee and that is the end of it? (E9)

Is it a committee document? (E9)

If another department is involved. is it forwarded tQQnother Department? (E9)

If the Act in question relates to a siatutory authority such as the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC). would it be proper for anyone in the Attorney-General's Department to forward that advice to the ABC? (E9)

If the answer to any of the previous questions is 'yes, it would go to someone other that the parliamentary committee', are there guidelines setting out on whose decision such advice is forwarded to anyone other that the committee? (E9)

Who makes that decision and is the Committee informed as a matter of practice? (E9)

The answers to the Honourable Senator's questions ore as follows:

(1) Requests by a parliamentary committee to the or to the

Department, for legal advice are treated as requests for

legal advice from the Attorney-General. or from the Department on behalf of the Attorney-General. in his capacity as Rrst low Officer of the Commonwealth.

(2) The relationship between the Attomey-General or the Deportment and the committee is not one of solicitor al)d client. However, copies of the advice are treated as analogous to copies of advice given by the Australian Govemment Soficitor to a client. Accordingly. where advice is given to a

parliamentary committee on the interpret cion of on Act copies of the advice are provided as follows:-(a) Where the ACT is administered by another department-A copy of the advice is ordinarily given by the Attorney-General's

Department to that department unless -there is some ground for believing that disclosure would amount. or be likely to amount. to on 'offence against a House' withing the meaning of the Parliamentary Privileges Act 1987. or a breach of s.l3

of that Act; or

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the committee, or on officer of the committee, has indicated that the advice should not be disclosed to anyone but the committee and Its officers.

The decision whether to give a copy to the administering deportment is mode by the officer giving advice unless the matter is referred to a more senior officer for decision.

a copy is not given by the Attomey-Generol<:>r the Attomey-Generol's Department too authority without the Committee's consent.

(b) the Act is administered by the Attomey-Generol's Deportment -copies are provided to other Departments, statutory authorities and other persons if the Attomey-Generol's Deportment considered it necessary or appropriate that they should receive copies of the advice.

(3) In all Mure cases where the Attomey-General or the Attomey-Generors Deportment is asked to advise o por1iomentory commit1ee on the interpretation of on Act-copies of the advice will be mode available in . accordance with the

practices stated above. unless the committee or the committee's secretory has informed the Attomey-Generol's Department that the committee objects; and

if there is any such objection. the Attomey-Generol will consider whether, having regard to potential conflicts of interest and other matters, the advice should nevertheless be given to the commit1ee.

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__ Minister for

-:· .. \.-J:· . ..:.·_ ::, and Communications

Electorate Office 2-4 Mint Street East Victoria Park Perth WA Tel. (09) 362 6255

Chairman of Estimates Committee E The Senate Parliament House CANBERRA ACT 2600

Dear Senator

ATTACJ-4 ME WT D

Thr Hon. Kim C Btu

Ministrr ror Transport and Communka1 u ader of the House of Repre senl 3l Vice President of the Exe cutive C 0 1 Federal Member fo r!!

Parliament Hcc Canberra ACT z; Austll Te l. (06) 277 71

Fax. (06) 273 4*

1 0 SEP 19jQ

I am writing to seek your agreement to the adoption of a set of principles to govern the appearance of the Transport and Cc nmunic:ation' s Government Bus i ness Enterprises (GBEs) before the Senate Estimates Committee E.

You may recall the Senate has questioned for some time the mechanisms for accountability to Parliament of Statutory Corporations and similar bodies.

During the Additional Estimates hearing by the Estimates Committee E this year, Senator Michael Baume again raised the issue of statutory corporations coming before the Committee. He was concerned that the only opportunity t he Senate would have to examine the Federal Airports Corporation (the statutory corporation in question at the time) in any detail was the short time available for discussion of its annual report.

The Senate's former Deputy President and Chairman of Committees, Senator David Hamer, and the Clerk of the Senate, Harry Evans, are both of the view that the Estimates Committees have before them only the estimates and unless there is an actual appropriation of moneys to such bodies in the estimates being considered, statutory bodies are not open to examination during these hearings.

Under the GBE reforms with the emphasis now on the commercial nature of the enterprises, the agreement of the Corporate Plan with the Government and payment of dividends and taxes, a number of the portfolio enterprises are questioning whether they should be subject to additional scrutiny from the Estimates Committee.

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I see significant advantages in adopting set of principles under which it would be clear to all interested parties which agencies would be expected to appear before the Estimates Committee.

To clarify the situation for all future appearances of the portfolio's GBEs, I suggest the following guidelines as a basis for their appearances

1. where moneys are being appropriated through the Appropriation Bills being considered; or

2. where community service obligations (CSOs) are funded in a way which substitutes for direct_budget funding. Had these principles applied to last year's Budget, we would have had at the Estimates hearings the Department,

Independent Air Fares Committee, Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Special Broadcasting Service, Australian Broadcasting Tribunal, Austel and the following GBEs:

Civil Aviation Authority, Telecom, Australia Post and Australian National Railways Commission. (In addition, AUSSAT would have attended the Additional Estimates hearings).

Qantas, Australian Airlines, Federal Airports Corporation, Overseas Telecommunications Commission and Australian National Line would not have attended.

I will provide you with a list of those agencies which will attend this year's Committee hearings in due course.

Yours sincerely

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

JOINT RESERVATION BY

SENATORS MACDONALD, PANIZZA and 'VANSTONE

Transport and Communications Portfolio

We dissent from the Committee's conclusion in paragraph 11 of its report that the

principles proposed in the letter from the Minister for Transport and

Communications to govern the appearance of Government Business Enterprises

(GBEs) before the Committee are acceptable. We consider that the principles require

more detailed examination.

Accordingly, we recommend that the Senate further eumine the issues raised by the

Minister's letter.

Senator I Macdonald Senator J Panizza Senator A Vanstone

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RESERVATION BY SENATOR FAULKNER

I recommend that the following matters be further examined by the Senate in

relation to the proposed expenditure for the Transport and Communications

Portfolio:

questions from me which were taken on notice at the Committee's hearing on

20 September under subprograms 1.2 (Domestic Aviation), 1.6 (Federal

Airports Corporation) and 1.7 (Civil Aviation Authority), and which related

to Kingsford Smith Airport and to the proposed airport development at

Badgery's Creek.

Senator J Faulkner

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

RESERVATION BY SENATOR MACDONALD

I recommend that the following matters be further examined by the Senate:

Attorney-General's Portfolio:

- all aspects of investigations and prosecutions under the War Crimes Act,

including those arising under program 3.5 (Provision Legal Aid and Family

Services), program 6.6 (Special Investigations Unit) and program 6.8 (Office

of the Director of Public Prosecutions).

Transport and Communications Portfolio:

- matters raised at the hearing in relation to program 4.1 (Road and Rail

Policy Development); Hansard, 20 September 1990, pp. E140-45 and E182-83;

- matters raised at the hearing in relation to Australian National Railways

(program 4.3); Hansard, 20 September 1990, pp. E148-51; and

- matters raised at the hearing in relation to program 5.6 (Waterfront

Industry Reform Authority); Hansard, 20 September 1990, pp. E156-57.

Senator I Macdonald

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

RESERVATION BY SENATOR PANIZZA

Transport and Communications Portfolio: program 3.2 (Telecom)

I dissent from the expression of appreciation to officers contained in paragraph 13

of the Committee's report insofar as it extends to officers appearing on behalf of

Telecom, whom I consider to have been unhelpful.

Senator J Panizza

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

RESERVATION BY SENATOR VANSTONE

I recommend that the following matters be further examined by the Senate:

Attorney-General's Portfolio: program 1 (Legal Services to the Commonwealth)

- the cost to the Government of the High Court proceedings in relation to the

postal allowance matter (case of Jk2D v.

Transport and Communications Portfolio: programs 5.3 and 5.8 (Australian Maritime

Safety Authority)

-the decision to locate AMSA in Newcastle and the subsequent reversal of that decision.

Senator A Vanstone

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RESERVATION BY SENATOR MICHAEL BAUME

Transport and Com.unications Portfolio

I recommend that the Senate further examine the issues raised in

Mr Beazley's letter to Estimates Conunittee E dated 10 September,

1990 that is the circumstances under which representatives

of Government Business Enterprises should appear before Estimates

Committees.

Senator Michael Baume

Shadow Minister for the Arts, Heritage, Sport and Youth Affairs

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RESERVATION BY SEHATOR BOSWELL

I recommend that the Senate further examine the following matters relating to the questions on notice put by me to the Department of Transport and Commnications in relation to -

Qantas Airways Lim.i ted

Signed by Senator Boswell

17 October 1990

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

RESERVATION BY SENATOR CAMPBELL

Attorney-General's Portfolio: Program 2.2

I recommend that the Senate further examine the start-up arrangements for the

Australian Securities Commission, its funding and the level of services it plans to

provide.

// I Campbell

Senator B. Cooney, Chairman, Estimates Committee "E", The Senate, Parliament House.

Dear Senator Cooney,

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16 October 1990.

I recommend by way of Reservation that the following matters relating to the estimates of expenditure referred to Committee "E" be further examined by the Senate:-Those subjects on which I directed written or verbal questions to the Minister or officials and which have not yet been fully responded to or require further elaboration, including the following specific subject areas -A ATTORNEY-GENERAL:

U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child. CEDAW. Censorship.

B. TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS:

0055 and Discovery Services.

(Senator Brian Harradine) ·

PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA

SENATOR ROBERT HILL LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION IN THE SENATE

SHADOW MI NISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS

16 October 1990

Mr Steve Curran Secretary Senate Estimates Committee E Parliament House CANBERRA ACT 2600

Dear Mr Curran

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FACSIMILE (06) 277 3177

RESERVATIOB '1'0 '.rBB REPORT OF SERM.'E ESTDIATES COJOIITTEE E

I recommend that the following matters, relating to the proposed expenditure for the Attorney-General's portfolio, be subject to further consideration by the Senate:

. Sub-program 3. 5 Provision of Legal Aid and Fami ly Services (Estimates Committee E Hansard 13 . 9 . 90 pages ESO--ES4)

.Sub-program 6.2 National Crime Authority (Estimates Committee E Hansard 13 . 9.90 pages E66-E71 and E81 - E90)

.Sub-program 6.6 Special Investigations Unit

(Estimates Committee E Hansard 13.9.90 pages E71-E76)

.Sub-program 6.8 Office of Director of Public

Prosecutions (Estimates Committee E Hansard 13.9 . 90 pages E77-E81).

Yours sincerely,

.l

!l {I_

ROBERT HILL Senator for South Australia

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To : Mr. Steve Curran, Secretary, Estimates Committee E From : Senator Cheryl Kernot

By way of reservation, I recommend that the following matters be further examined by the Senate. Transport and Communications portfolio programme 1, sub­ programme 1. 2 (Domestic Aviation) and sub-programme 1. 7

(Civil Aviation Authority).

Yours sincerely

15 October 1990

Suite Sl.33, Senate, Parliament House, Canberra, 2600

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PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA · THE. SENATE

SENATORJOCELYN NEWMAN SENATOR FOR TASMANIA SHADOW MINISTER FOR VETERANS' AFFAIRS SHADOW MINISTER FOR DEFENCE SCIENCE AND PERSONNEL

SHADOW MINISTER ASSISTING THE LEADER ON THE STATUS OF WOMEN

15th October 1990

Mr Steve Curran Secretary Estimates Committee E The Senate Parliament House, Canberra 2600

Dear Mr Curran,

By way of reservation I recommend that questions asked by me during the hearing relating to Legal Aid and Family Law (Estimates Committee E Hansard, 13 September 1990, pp 44-47; Attorney General's Portfolio: Program 3. 5. ) be subject to further

examination by the Senate.

Yours sincerely

Jocelyn Newman

II ELPH IN ROAD. LAUNCESTON. TAS. 7250 TELEPHONE (003 ) 341755 FACSIMILE {003 ) 341624

PARLIAMENT HOUSE. CANBERRA. A.C.T 2600 (06 ) 2773660

(06 ) 27734 ..

_6. 278 PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA· THE SENATE 9 October 1990

Mr Steve Curran Secretary

SENATOR MARGARET REID SENATOR FOR THE A. C. T.

OPPOSITION WHIP

Senate Estimates Committee E Parliament House CANBERRA ACT 2 6 0 0,

Dear Mr Curran,

By way of reservation I recommend that matters affecting the Office of the Silicitor-General raised when the Committee met, last month, be subject to further consideration by the Senate.

Yours sincerely,

Marga];!et Reid Senator for the ACT

* Estimates Committee E Hansard, 13 September 1990, pp. E22-23; Attorney-General's Portfolio: program 1.2

_11ft 279 PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA· THE-sENATE SENATOR JIM SHORT UBEIW. SENATOII. FOil. VICTOII.IA SHADOW MINISTER FOR FINANCE & ASSISTING THE LEADEII. ON COt1t10NWEALTH/STATI: II.EIATIONS 16 October 1990 Mr Steve Curran Secretary Senate Estimates Committee E Parliament House CANBERRA ACT 2600 Dear Mr Curran, I wish to submit a reservation to the Report of Senate Estimates Committee E to the proposed sale of the Moomba-Sydney Gas Pipeline. I accordingly reserve the right to speak on the matter in the Committee of the Whole debate of the Appropriation Bills. Yours sincerely, Portfolio: program 1 T" C l rv"\D 01'\ Df"'\Ar"'\ DO t n.tf'\A.IIr"'V \ l l r-"ri"'\Dt A ':»"C' ' nt '""" .. ' '" ,,.....,., "'\n-, ,...,,-rn .. .Au I"' 1 1'\ ""1\ """''"" l'\1 r"""J

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

RESERVATION BY SENATOR TAMBLING

I recommend that the Senate further examine the following matters relating to

questions on notice put by me to the Transport and Communications Portfolio:

Program 1.2 - Domestic Aviation

- Remote Area Subsidy Scheme

Program 1.6 - Federal Airports Corporation

- Darwin and Alice Springs Airports: charging and leasing arrangements;

construction timetable; and anticipated and projected expenditure

- relocation. of general aviation industry at Darwin Airport

Program 1.7- Civil Aviation Authority

- flight services to Yulara by Australian Airlines

Program 2.2 - Australian Broadcasting Corporation

- reductions in area of children's education radio

Program 2.3 - Special Broadcasting Service

- timetable for establishment of SBS in the Northern Territory

Program 3.2 - Telecom

- announced $44m expenditure on employment proposals for Aboriginal and

Torres Strait Islander people

Program 3.4 - AUSSAT

- financial assistance related to lmparja television

Program 4.1 - Road and Rail Policy and Development

- Provincial Cities and Rural Highways Program

- review of road transport charges

Program 5.6 - Waterfront Industry Reform Authority

- redundancy costs (

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

TABLE OF CONTENTS

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HANSARD OF HEARINGS

Thursday, 13 September 1990

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Thursday, 20 September 1990

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TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR HANSARD OF HEARINGS

Thursday, 13 September 1990

Attorney-General's Portfolio

Cash Transaction Reports Agency - reporting on pensioners, social security fraud ...... . .... ........ .... , . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E3

- patterns in reported transactions . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E4

- percentage of suspect transactions that are legitimate . . . . . . . . . . . . E4 - who decides if transaction is suspect . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E4

- is report made if customer withdraws transaction? . . . . . . . . . . . . . E4-5 Indemnity for Ministers, public servants if sued - guidelines . . . . . . . . . . . . . E5 Australian Government Solicitor - freedom of information matters . . . . . . . . E5 Postal allowances - costs to Government of High Court case . . . . . . . . . . . . . E5

Engagement of private solicitors/counsel - guidelines . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E5-6, E10 Attorney-General's Department legal opinions provided to Parliamentary committees - release by A-G's to third parties . . . . . . E7-9 Director of Public Prosecutions - costs and causes of aborted trials . . . . . . . . E9

Moomba-Sydney gas pipeline sale- legal advice .... . .. .... .. . .. .. .. E10-14

Types of questions relating to provision of legal advice which A-G's will not answer at Estimates hearings ....... .... .... . ..... E10-15

Convention on the Rights of the Child - legal advice and consultation process with States . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E15-16, E18 Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women -interpretation ... ... ..... .. . . ..... ................... E16-17

-view of Justice E Evatt .................... ........... . E17-18

Convention on the Rights of the Child - family planning . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E18 Legal Professional Services subprogram - task force on asset sales, increased expenditure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E19

-increases in legal expenses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E19

-increases in staff'mg ....... ... ........ ................. E19-20

- saving - Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody . . . . . E20 - Legal Services Group 'quality and procedural standards' . . . . . . E20-21 - challenges, problems and plans for the future . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E21 - immigration compliance and control funding increase . . . . . . . . . . . E21

-variation in receipts credited under sec. 35 of Audit Act .. . .... E21-22 - arbitrators awards and determinations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E22

Milton case (interest on delayed superannuation payouts) - litigation costs for Commonwealth . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E22-23

Solicitor-General - variations in salaries and administration costs ..... ; E23-24 Office of Parliamentary Counsel - staffing, use of consultants . . . . . . . . . E24-25 - reduction in printing costs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E25

- assistance to Senate Committees to which Bills referred . . . . . . . . . E25 -plain English drafting ....... ..... ..... .... .. ...... .... E25-26

Insolvency and Trustee Service - staffmg . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E27

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- increase in compensation and legal expenses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E27 -competition from private sector . . .......... .. . ........... E27-28

- Proceeds of Crime Act . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E27

- action on complaints found to be justified . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E28

Australian Securities Commission- set-up and recurrent costs . . . . . . . . . . . E28 -rent-free periods, fit-out costs met by landlords . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E29 - expenditure on lease payments, fiXtures and fittings, computers and other equipment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E29

- equipment purchase from NSW Corporate Affairs Commission . . . . E29 - total net funding for ASC and NCSC . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E30

-fee structure for company incorporations/document lodgement . . E30-31 -recoveries and settlements- amounts received . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E31 -salaries of Chairman and Deputy Chairman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E31

-compensation to States/Northern Territory for lost revenue ... . E31-32 - NCSC/ASC expenditure investigating Companies Code breaches . E32-33 - amounts recovered in fmes for Companies Code breaches . . . . . . . . E33 - eight-digit company identification number - requirement

to use, publicity campaign on use . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E33-34

-meeting 1 Jan 1990 target for ASC takeover from NCSC, progress of referral of powers legislation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E34

- agreement with WA and SA on performance criteria and service levels for local ASC operations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E34-35 -senior staffing proflle for ASC, WA component . .. . . ........ . E35-36

- availability of old records to ASC, transfer of records . . . . . . . . . . . E36 - national database, progress in establishing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E36

- staff training and recruitment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E36-37

Companies and Securities Advisory Committee - running expenses . . . . . . . E37 Australian Securities Commission - expenditure arising from McCusker report . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E37

-time between lodgement and availability of documents . .. . ... . E37-38 - completion of Bond, Spedley and Yap matters . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E38 - availability to ASC/NCSC of private counsel, competing briefs . . . . . E38 -contingency plans if 1 Jan 1990 target not met ..... ... . .... . E38-39

Trade Practices Commission - study into competition in legal and other professions . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E39

Australian Federation of Consumer Organisations . -staff interchange with Trade Practices Commission ....... E39, E41-42 - Department's monitoring of AFCO funding and activities . . . . . . E39-40 - special projects . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E40

- AFCO representatives- nomination to government bodies . .. .. . E40-41 - representatives passing on their sitting fees to AFCO . . . . . . . . . . . E41 - total of sitting fees received by AFCO nominees . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E41 - AFCO annual report- cost and distribution . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E41

- grant-in-aid funding application . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E41

Trade Practices Commission - success against anticompetitive union conduct on waterfront . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E42-43

- publicity in relation to waterfront . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E42

Privacy Commissioner - reasons for increased funding ........ , . . . . • . . . E43 - on fundinu imnliCSI.tionA nf' nn l'l't>tHt.

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reporting, data matching . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E43-44

Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission- follow-up on homeless children report . . . . . . .. . .......... ·. . . . . . . . . . . . . . E44

- scope of inquiry on rights of mentally ill . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E44

Cessation of funding for family law-related network in Victoria . . . . . . . . E44-45 Veterans - legal aid to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E45-4 7

- authority to settle claims at preliminary conferences . . . . . . . . . . . . E48 Insolvency and Trustee Service - action on complaints found to be justified . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E48-49

Privacy Commissioner - investigations initiated in absence of complaint . . . E49 Censorship - establishment of office of Senior Censor . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E49-50 - fall in publications classification decisions workload . . . . . . . . . . . . E50

Family Law Act/child support scheme legislation payments to States . . . . . . E50 Proportion/cost of legal aid applications that relate to family law . . . . . . . . E50 Winchester inquest- legal aid payments ........ . ....... . . ..... . . E50-51

War crimes matters- legal aid proportion spent on each . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E51 AIDS, AFCO test cases- legal aid cost . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E51

War crimes- legal costs, consultants, historians . . ....... .. ....... . . E51-52

Community legal centres - adequacy of and concerns about grants to . . . . E52-54 Marriage celebrants - criteria for number appointed in given area . . . . . . . . E54 Law Reform Commission - variation in expenditure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E54 - inquiry on unit trusts . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E54

New court buildings- Adelaide, Brisbane . .. .. . ... . . . . . ... . .. . E54-56, E57

- vetting of prospective constructers/developers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E56 Federal Court and AAT - development of performance indicators . . . . . . . . . E57 Family Court- reasons for shortfall in achievement rates ... .... ... . . E57-58

- possible amalgamation of registries . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E58-59

- South Australian achievement rates compared to national rates . E59-60 ACT Supreme Court- delays ........ .. . . ....... .... .. .. ... . ... E60-61

ACT court system- transfer to Territory Government . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E61 AAT - provision of cars for members . . ..... . ........... ...... . . . E61-62

Marriage counselling and education - funds for . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E62

Commonwealth Reporting Service - funding to assist full commercialisation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E62-63

- complaints about increased charges for ABT Perth transcripts . . . . E63 New court building- Adelaide . .......... . ..... .. ... ... .... . ... E63-64

High Court - increase in cafeteria rent . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E64

- life cycle repairs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E64

Australian Federal Police - drug-free employment policy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E64 - transfer to contract employment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E65

- Winchester investigation costs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E65-66

- customs seizures revenue . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E66

' social justice' - does it differ from 'justice'? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E66

National Crime Authority- media monitoring ...... . .. . ..... E66-67, E68-69

-recording/transcripts of hearings/meetings . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E67

-workload for NCA created by Joint Committee on NCA . .... .. E67-68 -contact between NCA and Joint Committee chairmen .. ... ... . E67-68 - Commonwealth takeover of costs of South Australian office . . . . . . E69 - level of organised crime in South Australia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E69

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- strategic intelligence unit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E69-70

- telecommunications interception facility . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E70-71 Family Court - publicity restrictions . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E71

Special Investigations Unit- achievements, prospective cases .......... E71-73 - malicious complaints . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E73

-quality, type of evidence ............................... E73-74

- wind-up date for SIU . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E75

- action taken against malicious complainants . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E75-76 War crimes cases- total costs . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E76

Special Investigations Unit - role . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E76

Cash transactions which banks are required to report . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E77 Director of Public Prosecutions- Elite Wood Products case ........... E77-78 - war crimes committal hearings - expenses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E78

Special Investigations Unit - expenses, SES and other salary costs . . . . . E78-80 Director of Public Prosecutions - Winchester inquest . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ES0-81 National Crime Authority- Director of Intelligence, functions, qualifications and experience ...... ...................... E81-82

- strategic intelligence unit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E82

- media monitoring . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E82-83

- funding and staff increase . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E83

- expenditure on individual references . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E83

- reported reductions in staff/funding by NSW, Victorian Governments . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E83-85

- Arthur Andersen study, reports, follow-up . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E85-88 -security within NCA ..... . ...................... . ..... E88-89

- Sumner matter . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E89

-corporate services- salaries increase, chairman's salary . . . . . . . . . . E89 - possible new direction for NCA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E89

-impact of lack of chairman for 6 months . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E89

- security measures to protect NCA members . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E90 Censorship - impact of directive to tighten up on violence . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E90 - percentage of videos classified in each category in 1989-90 . . . . . . . E90 - classification policy - States' attitude, extent of agreement . . . . . . E90-91

- scope of Law Reform Commission inquiry . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E91 -materials entering States from ACT ...................... E91-92

- unsolicited video received by Senator Harradine's office . . . . . . . . . . E92 - Film Censorship Board - guidelines . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E93

- public awareness campaign, pre-campaign survey . . . . . . . . . . . . E94-95 - salaries, administrative expenses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E94-95

- possible use of 008 number . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E95

Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission - review of sex discrimination exemptions, weight-lifting exemptions . . . . . . . . . E95-96 - human rights legislation and Aids . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E96-97

- Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women, interpretation ................................... E97

- Convention on the Rights of the Child - advice to Government . . E97 -98 - public awareness program . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E98

- interpretation of articles of Rights of Child Convention . . . . . . . . E98-99 Comments in The Life of Crime ............................... E99-100

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National Committee on Violence- estimates, actual cost, time . . . . . . . . E100-01 -liaison with Australian Broadcasting Tribunal ................. ElOl

- attention given to hannful effects of videos ....... . ......... .. ElOl

- use of term • non-violent erotica' . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ElOl-02

- follow-up to Committee's report .... . ............. . ...... . .. E102

-pressure to agree with Joint Select Committee on Video Materials . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E102-03

Thursday, 20 September 1990

Transport and Communications Portf'olio

Broadcasting Commercial TV - additional services in regional South Australia ......... E107 Australian Broadcasting Corporation- presenters' salary packages . . . . E107-09 -funding shortage, cutbacks, next 3-year agreement . . . . . . . . . . E109-10

- plans to network from eastern States ... . . . ................. EllO

-changes to sports coverage . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ell0-13

- why audiences value ABC, ANOP survey, use of ANOP . . . . . . . . . E113 - FM funding increase, ABC promotion of its FM . . . . . . . . . . . . . E113-14 -ABC Concerts -level of subsidy . . ..... . .. . .......... . .. ... . E114

-Radio Australia- funding changes ............. . ...... . .. ... E114

Special Broadcasting Service- lack of Darwin service ..... . ..... . ... . . E114

-guidelines on sponsorship . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E114-15

- increasing number of Australian-made programs, costs .. ..... . .. E115 -radio- funding changes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E115-16

Australian Broadcasting Corporation - Riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls, scheduling decision, complaints, response, who commissioned it, rebroadcast rights . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E116-19

- level of complaint that would influence scheduling . . . . . . . . . . . E119-21 - audience surveys outside capital cities ........... . ...... . .. . . E121

- ABC's rural/urban market shares compared ............ . .... .. E121

- promotion of women's sports, less popular sports . . . . . . . . . . . . E121-22 - education programming, cuts, consultation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E122-23 Australian Broadcasting Tribunal - background of members . . . . . . . . . E123-24 - most common complaints about licences ....... .. .. .. . . .. .. . . E124

- effect of High Court decision in Bond case . . . .... . .. . ... . ... . . E124

Radio interference investigation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E124-25

FM reception difficulty in Sydney's North Shore . .... ... . . .. . ... . .... E125

CB radio licensing - education program . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E125-26

- ratio of CBs sold/CB licences issued . . . ... . .... . .... . ........ E126

Telecommunications Briefmgs relating to privatisation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E126-27

Costing Australia Post's community service obligations . . ......... ..... E127

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Statutory and administrative controls which have not been removed from Government Business Enterprises ............... E127

AUSSAT profitability- steps to improve ........................ E127-28

Telecom- tendering policy .................. ............. .. .. E128-29

-fibre optic trial at Centennial Park, Sydney ..... ...... .. . ..... E129

- financial support to consumer councils . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E129-30

- own freight service Melbourne-Cairns ....................... E131

-rural and remote areas program ................ .... .... E131-32

- discovery database .................................... . . E132

- 0055 service - content, guidelines, Strickland review, community concerns, possible campaign against, bar on access to . . . . . . . . E132-37 - use of 0055 to advertise X-rated videos ...................... E137

-procedure for providing 0055/discovery answers ............ E137-39

- number of customers having difficulty paying accounts .... .. .... E139 - 0176 service - delays .................................... E139

Land Transport Program 4.1 - initiatives to improve efficiency, performance indicators, construction quality, link between road quality and accidents . .. E140-41 -%by State of road contingency provision used .............. El41-42

-urban public transport- amount allocated, how spent ..... ... E142-43 -quality management systems ........... ........... ........ E143

-road construction costs- overseas comparisons ................ E143

- national freight initiative ............................... .. E144

-rail funds included in road programs ........................ E144

national freight initiative . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E144-45

-Railway Agreement Act (WA) 1961- expenditure under ......... . E145 - rail authorities - entitlements to tax/charge concessions .......... E145 - rail authorities - investments .............................. E145

Survey of attitudes amongst rural drivers ........ . ...... ........... E145

Inter-State Commission report on road freight, impact of Queensland rail closures, when recommendations to be implemented ...... E145-48 Australian National Railways Commission- country passenger services .... E148 -Adelaide-Melbourne upgrade -funding .................... El48-49

-cost-recovery on various types of services .................... E149

-concessions on government taxes/charges .................... E149

-Indian Pacific, Trans Australian, Ghan- cost-recovery . ....... E149-50 - passenger services revenue supplement .................... . . E150

- impact of pilots' dispute .................................. E150

- efficiency improvements. to reduce revenue supplement . . . . . . . E150-51

Maritime Coastal shipping, improving efficiency, cabotage ..................... E151

Resource reallocation across programs ................... ...... ... . E151

Ships (Capital Grants) Act funding- increase, scope of program . . . . . . E151-52 Australian Maritime Safety Authority- proposed move to Newcastle ... E152-54 Sea safety - radio communications system .......................... E154

Sea search- Rockin Robin ................................... E154-55

Marine oil pollution - contingency planning . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E155-56

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Bulloo nickel treatment plant - possible marine pollution from .......... E156 Waterfront Industry Reform Authority - redundancies to date under WIRA program, cost, whether on target . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E156-57 Shipping Industry Reform Authority - 1989-90 underspending, if on

target, benefits to date, PSA reference on shipping charges, redundant staff ..... . ... . ........................... E158-60

Ship purchase grants ....... . ....... .. ......................... E158

Aviation International air service licences- statistics, issuing process . . . . . . . . . E160-61 Briefings relating to privatisation ............................. E161-62

Foreign pilots flying with Australian domestic airlines ............ . . . .. E162

Badgery's Creek - development options, impact of 3rd runway at Kingsford Smith Airport ................ . . . ......... E162-63

Kingsford Smith Airport - extent of expenditure if no 3rd runway, Federal Airport Corporation's share, financing ....... . .... . E163-66

- current construction - contractual status, resulting capacity gain .... .. .. . ... . ..... . .. . ..... . ..... . ..... E166-67

Badgery's Creek site - when it will come under F AC control . . . . . . . . . . . . E167 - benefits of full development/benefits of KSA 3rd runway .... . .... E167 Kingsford Smith Airport - cost of 3rd runway EIS ... . . . ........ . ... . . E168

- funds to community groups to assist input to assessment .... . ... E169 - time allowed for comment on the EIS ............. . .... . .... E169

New radar- Kingsford Smith, Cairns airports .................. . . E169-70

Aerodrome Local Ownership Plan - number of airports transferred . .. .. .. E170 -funding .... . . .. . .. . . .... . ... . ... . . .. .......... . . . . E170-74

Remote Air Service Subsidy Scheme - criteria . . ... . ............ . ... . E174

Miscellaneous Briefings relating to privatisation ... . ... . . . ... .. ........ .. ..... .. E174

Minister's discussions with Telecom regarding 0055 number . . .. . ... .. .. E174 lAC tourism and travel report- implementation of recommendations . . E174-75

Aviation MU2 - 2nd crash in Western Australia, operating restric\;ions ...... .. ... E175 Mareeba Airport accident- progress of investigation .. . ..... .. ..... ... . E175

Qantas - no representatives appearing at Estimates Committee . . . . . . . E175-76 - staff separation scheme . .. .............. .. ... . ........... E176

- seat factor loadings in general, on specific routes . ...... .. ...... E176

Remote Air Service Subsidy Scheme - review . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E176-77 Federal Airports Corporation - target rate of real return ..... .. ..... . .. E177

-valuation of land, impact of revaluation on charges ........ .. E177-78 Kingsford Smith Airport - radar . ........ .. . . ... .. ............ . . . E179

- experiment to reduce cluster scheduling . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E179-80 - peak-pricing . . ... ... . .. ...... . .. . ... .............. . ... E180

Need for Brisbane-Canberra service . .... . .. . .. .. .... ...... . .. .. . . . E180

SociaVcommunity role of Australian Airlines . ... .. ... ...... .. .. .. . .. E180

Air traffic service - staff numbers, efficiency review, loss of senior staff . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . E180-82

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Kingsford Smith Airport • baggage handling system contract .... . . . ... .. E182

Land Tnmspori Program 4.1 ·improving efficiency, performance indicators, road construction quality, impact on accidents ................... . . E182

• cost overruns • reasons for differences ........ . ............ .. E183

R.oad statistics ....... . ................................. E183

Child restraints in vehicles, usage, effect ........................... E183

Impact of public education programs on road safety ................... E183

Aviation Kingsford Smith Airport· baggage handling system contract ......... E183-84 Charges for flight tests for pilot licensing, use of private-sector testers ......... ... . .................... E184-86

Foreign pilots awaiting endorsement to fly with Australian domestic airlines, applications, rejections ..................... E186

Alcohol/drug abstinence before flying • rules, enforcement, research .... .. .................................... E186-88

Kingsford Smith Airport • bird strike problem, 3rd runway . . . . . . . . . . E188-90 Flight service personnel who choose not to upgrade ................ E190-91

Devolution of control from air traffic control to pilots ................. E191

CAA regulations to be removed ............................... E191-92

Kingsford Smith Airport • number of CAA ornithologists ............... E192

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MINUTES OF MEETING NO. 36/5

Thursday, 13 September 1990

1. PRIVATE MEETING: The Committee met at 1.31 pm in Committee Room 16. The secretary took the Chair.

2. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: The secretary called for nominations for the position of chair. Senator Cooney was nominated by

Senator Faulkner. There being no other nominations, Senator Coone y was elected and took the Chair.

3. PUBLIC MEETING: The Committee then met in public session.

4. PARTI CULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-91 ATTORNEY-GENERAL'S PORTFOLIO:

In attendance: Senator Tate, Minister for Justice and Consumer Affairs and Minister representing the Attorney-General, accompan­ i ed by t he following officers:

Attorney-General's Department

MrA MrS MrN MrJ

Ms N

Mr 0

Mr J

Mr T

Mr J

Mr R

Rose Skehill Reaburn

Pyne Fredrickson

Wi nder

Wood Gallagher

Dickie

Greenwood QC

Secretary Deputy Secretary Deputy Secretary Australian Government Solicitor

First Assistant Secretary Corporate Services Division First Assistant Secretary Office of Legal Aid and Family Services

Director, Federal Bureau of Consumer Affairs Assistant Secretary, Financial Management and General Services Chief Censor

Office of Film and Literature Classification Director, Special Investigations Unit

Office of Parliamentary Counsel

Mr I Turnbull Ms H Penfold Mr D Spe dd i ng

First Parliamentary Counsel Second Parliamentary Counsel Administrative Officer

Australian Securities Securities Commission Commission/Rational Companies

Mr C Wi lliams Mr W Robi nson Mr A Mc Hugh Mr J Dulley

Mr I Cameron

Deputy Chairman Statutory Member Executive Director A/g Director, Information Services

Director , Resources Branch

and

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Trade Practices Commission

Mr H Spier

Mr R Leggett

First Assistant Commissioner Restrictive Trade Practices Division Director, Management Services

Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Ca.aission

Mr C Sidoti Mr W Chapman Mr N Waters

Secretary Assistant Secretary (Management) Assistant Secretary (Privacy)

Law Refora Commission

Mr S Mason Secretary and Director of Research

Federal Court of Australia

Mr J Howard Mr J Torpy

Registrar Financial Manager

Family Court of Australia

Mr L Glare Mr I Loughnan Mr B Frankland

A/g Chief Executive Officer A/g Principal Registrar A/g Principal Director of Administration

Supreme Court of the ACT

Mr A Towill Ms R Hawkins

Registrar Administrative Officer

Administrative Appeals Tribunal

Mr D Schulz Registrar

High Court of Australia

Mr R Rose Clerk of the Court

Australian Federal Police

Mr S Gavin Mr P Dawson

Associate Commissioner Assistant Commissioner

Rational Crime Authority

Mr D Lenihan Mr D Hawke

Chief Executive Officer Deputy Chief Executive Officer

Australian Bureau of Criminal Intelligence Mr A Luther Mr S Dixon Executive Officer

Administrative Officer

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Australian Institute of Criminology

Dr P Wilson Mr J Millar

Ms H Strang

A/g Director Executive Officer Executive Research Officer

Cash Transactions Reports Agency

Mr W Coad Director

Mr P McDonnell Deputy Director

Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions

Mr P Coghlan Mr I Bermingham Mr T McKnight

Associate Director Deputy Director, Canberra Office Senior Assistant Director Administrative Services

Department of Finance

Mr N McGladrigan Senior Finance Officer

The Committee examined the proposed expenditure in program sequence as set out in the Explanatory Notes 1990-91: Attorney­ General's Portfolio (Budget Related Paper No. 6.3). Corrections to the Notes relating to programs 1.3 and 6.1 were provided by

the Portfolio at the hearing. Written answers were pr ovided to questions submitted before the hearing by Senators Short and Bishop.

The Committee adjourned from 3.58 to 4.42 pm and from 6 . 39 to

8.07 pm.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Attorney-General's Portfolio , subject to undertakings to provide additional written information to the Committee. ·

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1 - 07 am on Friday, 14 September 1990.

6. ATTKNDAHCE: Senators Cooney (Chairman), Faulkner, Macdonald, Panizza, Vanstone and West.

Senators M Baume, Campbell, Colston, Harradine, Hill , Newman, Reid and Short also attended.

CONFIRMED:

B. Cooney Chairman

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MINUTES OF MEETING NO. 36/6

Thursday, 20 September 1990

1. PUBLIC MEETING: The Committee met at 12.35 pm in Committee Room 16. The Chairman, Senator Cooney, took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-91 - TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS PORTFOLIO:

In attendance: Senator Collins, Minister Aviation Support an,d Minister representing Transport and Communications, accompanied officers:

for Shipping and

the Minister for

by the following

Department of Transport and Communications

Aviation Mr P Field

Ms A Buttsworth

Mr R Elder

Mr R Warren Mr R Turner Mr I Rischbieth

Broadcasting Mr B Ellis

Mr T Slatyer

Mr G Hanna Mr R Smith

Mr c Knowles

Ms v Fanning

Dr L Debes

Land Transport MrJ Neil Mr J Elliott

Mr D Quinlivan

Mr R Desmond

Mr p Make ham

A/g First Assistant Secretary International Aviation Division A/g First Assistant Secretary Domestic Aviation Division A/g Principal Adviser

Domestic Aviation Division A/g Assistant Secretary, Industry Branch Assistant Secretary, Security Branch Assistant Secretary, Infrastructure Branch

First Assistant Secretary Broadcasting Policy Division A/g Assistant Secretary National and Broadcasting Policy Branch Manager, Coordination Unit First Assistant Secretary Communications Policy and Planning Division A/g First Assistant Secretary, Broadcasting

and Radiocommunications Operations Division First Assistant Secretary Telecommunications Policy Division Assistant Secretary, Enterprise Policy Branch

A/g First Assistant Secretary Land Transport Policy Division A/g Assistant Secretary Road Management Branch

Director (Planning) Land Transport Development Branch Director (Road Transport Operations) Land Transport Operations Branch First Assistant Secretary Road Safety Division

Maritime Mr P Merner

Mr P Crone

Corporate Ms D Mildern

Dr G Feeney

Mr A Read

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First Assistant Secretary Maritime Policy Division First Assistant Secretary Maritime Operations Division

First Assistant Secretary Corporate Management Division Assistant Secretary Planning and Budgeting Branch Acting Director

Budget Management Section

Australian Broadcastinq Corporation

Mr D Hill

Mr P Lidbetter Mr D White

Managing Director General Manager - Finance A/g General Manager, Corporate Relations

Australian Broadcastinq Tribunal

Mr P Westerway Mr B Barbour Ms M Davis Mr P Manser

A/g Chairman A/g General Manager A/g Director, Corporate Services Director, Program Division

Australian Maritime Safety Authority

Mr I Williams Assistant Secretary, Ship Safety Branch

Australian National Railways

Mr R Greatrex Mr K Norley

AUSTEL

Mr R Davey Mr M Keehn Mr J Szydzik

Australia Post

Mr G Ryan Mr P Norman

General Manager, Financial Services Manager, Corporate Planning

Chairman General Manager Manager, Secretariat

Corporate Secretary Unit Manager - Management Accounting

Bureau of Air Safety Investiqation

Dr R Lee

Mr J Pike

Director Deputy Director

Bureau of Transport and Communications Economics

Dr M Haddad Director

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Civil Aviation Authority

Mr R Scaife A/g Assistant General Manager Operations

Safety Regulation Group

Mr R Cooper A/g Group General Manager

Airways Operations Group

Mr c Barnes Manager, Business Strategy, Corporate Finance Mr J Fennell A/g Assistant General Manager, Management

Federal Airports Corporation

Mr A Grey Mr A Ramsey

General Manager, Finance and Administration Manager, Financial Planning

Independent Air Fares Committee

Mr P Scott Secretary

Shippinq Industry Reform Authority

Mr P Newman Chairman

Special Broadcasting Service

MrQ Luu MrA Lloyd-James MrR Stokes MrR Gowing

Telecom

Mr s Fish

Mr B Eady

Mr J Niehus

Acting Chief Executive, Head of Radio Head of Television Director, Policy and Coordination Director, Finance and Resources

Manager External Relations Corporate Secretariat Manager Finance Corporate Finance and Control Director Corporate Planning

Waterfront Industry Reform Authority

Ms L Anderson Executive Officer

Department of Finance

Mr M Pye Mr R Robinson Mr P Connolly

Chief Finance Officer Senior Finance Officer Chief Finance Officer

The Committee examined the proposed expenditure by program as set out in the Explanatory Notes 1990-91: Transport and

Communications Portfolio (Budget Related Paper No. 6.15). Corrections to the Notes relating to programs 1.2, 2.411, 2.413 and 5.3 were provided by the Portfolio at the hearing.

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The following documents were tabled at the hearing:

Answers to questions submitted before the hearing by Senator Short relating to committees within the Department.

Answers to questions put at the hearing on Departmental advice relating to privatisation (Senator Macdonald), and Ministerial discussions with Telecom on the 0055 service (Senator Harradine).

ANOP Research Services P/L, 'Community Attitudes to the ABC's Role, Image and Position: Detailed Tables of Survey Results from 1990 National Survey', August 1990.

'Eligibility Criteria for Inclusion of Ports in the Remote Air Service Subsidy Scheme'.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Transport and Communications Portfolio, subject to undertakings to provide additional written information to the Committee.

3. ADJOURRMERT: The Committee adjourned at 7.42 pm.

4. AT'l'EHDANCE: Senators Cooney (Chairman) , Faulkner, Macdonald, Panizza, Vanstone and West.

Senators Crowley, Harradine, Kernot, McKiernan and Walters also attended.

CONFIRMED:

B. Cooney Chairman

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MINUTES OF MEETING NO. 36/7

Tuesday, 16 October 1990

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 8.33 pm in Senate Committee Room 18. The Chairman, Senator Cooney, took the Chair.

2. COHFIRMATIOH OF KIHUTES: On the motion of Senator Faulkner, the Committee approved the minutes of meetings 36/5, and 36/6. 3. LETTER FROM DPP: The Chairman reported that he had received a letter marked •confidential' from the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions relating to the examination of that Office's expenditure. The Committee agreed that the letter should be treated as one to Senator Cooney rather than the Committee. 4. APPROVAL OF DRAFT REPORT: On the motion of Senator Vanstone, the Committee resolved that the Chairman's draft report, with the amendments to paragraphs 8 and 9 proposed by Senator Cooney and the amendments to paragraphs 9 and 14 proposed by Senator

Vanstone, be agreed to.

5. ADJOURHMEHT: The Committee adjourned at 9.17 pm.

6. Senators Cooney (Chairman), Faulkner, Macdonald,

Panizza, Vanstone and West.

CERTIFIED CORRECT:

B. Cooney Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

REPORT TO THE SENATE

OCTOBER 1990

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ESTIMATESF

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee F presents its Report to the Senate.

Introduction On 23 August 1990 the Senate referred to the Committee the

Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the service of the year ending on 30 June 1991 and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1991 relating to the following portfolios:

Department of Industrial Relations

Department of Primary Industries and Energy

The Committee has considered the estimates of the two portfol ios as presented in the respective explanatory notes and has received explanations of the additional estimates from the Min ister for Industrial Relations and officers of the depart ments and

author ·ies concerned.

The Committee tables for the information of the Senate in

connection with Appropriation Bills No 1 and No 2 copies of the Minutes of Proceedings, Hansard transcripts of evidence of Committee proceedings, a table of contents to the Hansards and an annexe of questions which were unanswered at the close of the

Committee's public hearing. The answers taken on notice at the Committee's hearings will be tabled in the Senate under separate cover in a volume entitled 'Additional Information provided Durinq Estimate Committee F's Examination of proposed Expenditure

for 1990-91.

The Committee wishes to bring c ert ain matt ers of interest t o the attention of the Senate:

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DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

Annual Report Documentation

The Committee wishes to place on record a concern raised in a previous report on the Department's Estimates that it was not provided, in a reasonable time, with the fullest possible range of documentation to allow it to make informed judgements on the efficiency and effectiveness of the programs under scrutiny.

More specifically, it was not until the morning of the hearings that the Department provided the Committee with a draft Annual Report. At the hearing an explanation was given that the

Department believed that its resources would be more productively deployed producing the final report in the shortest possible timefrarne rather than providing a draft report which may not give an accurate description of the departments activities for the preceding year. Whilst this argument has some merit, the

Committee is of the opinion that the provision of a report at

least one week before the commencement of hearings, which

contains information relating to the efficiency and effectiveness of Department's programs, would substantially outweigh any errors or omissions which may be a product of its draft status.

Proqram 2

Sub-Proqram 2.1 - Australian Public Service Pay and Structures

SES Pay and Conditions - Government Business Enterprises

The Committee took a special interest in the remuneration

policies of government . business enterprises, especially the mechanisms and guidelines which determine increases in salary for chief executive officers and their senior staff.

It would appear, at least from the evidence given at the hearing, that there exists a need for the Department to take on a more

proactive and committed role in monitoring movements in salary for these officers. If such an action is not taken then the

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Parliament may be placed in a position whereby it is not able to have appropriate and timely access to information about salary movements in this significant and substantial area of government activity.

Program 2

Sub-Program 2. 4 - Comcare

Auditor-General's Report No. 31

The Committee noted the comments of the Auditor General in Audit Report No 31 1989-90, page 97 which suggested that the

Commission's Trust Account was not managed in a way that ensured adequate controls over its operations were in place to prevent incorrect or unauthorised charges being made. At the hearing the heard evidence from the Department assuring it that the

problem had now been solved by the development of a new

administrative system.

The Committee will take an active interest in future hearings in ensuring that the new procedures have overcome the identified deficiencies.

In examining Comcare, the Committee also noted that the

Government had not requested this agency to draft legislation to overcome problems in relation to age discrimination in public authorities.

DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRIES AND ENERGY

Program 1

Sub-Program 1.1 - Livestock and Pastoral Control

Canadian Pig Meat Imports

During the hearing the Committee sought further information on developments relating to the possibility of importation of

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heavily subsidised Canadian pig meat. Officers of the Department were unable to provide the Committee with definitive information on the nature and magnitude of subsidies made by Canadian

authorities in support of this industry.

The Committee also examined the procedures that exist to allow local pig meat producers to make submissions to protect them against livestock imports which are heavily subsidised. The role of state governments in ensuring that such imports do not

introduce newdiseases was also raised.

The Committee expresses a concern that the department should take all possible action to ensure that heavily subsidised pig meat should not be allowed to compete with the locally produced

product and further that all possible preventive steps be taken to protect the local industry against disease should importation proceed.

The Committee will closely monitor developments in this issue.

Program 2

Sub-Program 1.1. - Livestock and Pastoral Control

Live Sheep Exports

At a previous Committee hearing information was sought about the reasons for rejections of live sheep exports and how additional procedures could be implemented to prevent further occurrences. The Committee heard evidence that the Department had put in place customer specific criteria for satisfying quarantine rules in each buyer nation and that strict quality controls" over age and disease had been implemented.

The Committee will maintain its interest in this issue.

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Program 2

Sub-Program 2 .1 - Energy Infrastructures

Natural Resource Management - Whole Farm Plan

The Committee sought information from departmental officers about the administrative procedures for the whole farm planning program which is part of the Government's Land Care program. It was

found that full tax deductibility in the year of expenditure for certain costs incurred to combat land degradation is subject to the development of a whole farm plan.

Both Committee members and departmental officers at the table agreed that bottlenecks had occurred in the provision of

sufficient technical expertise to carry out farm plans and, consequently, landholders have been unable to have access to the incentive scheme to combat land degradation.

The Committee looks forward to action being taken to streamline and more appropriately resource this program.

Program 2

Sub-Program 2. 4 - Moomba-Sydney Gas Pipeline

The Committee spent considerable time examining the legal, administrative and financial arrangements relating to the sale of the Moomba to Sydney gas pipeline.

During the hearing it was disclosed that the Department had not undertaken any detailed studies of the effect on industrial users of an increase in haulage prices which was part of the

Government's decision relating to the sale, although reference was made to the Minister's press release which indicated that an

increase in price to consumers of 5% was envisaged.

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The Committee also examined the potential legal probl ems

associated with the sale of the pipeline . I n this regar d the

Committee heard evidence that the 1974 and 1985 haulage

agreements between the Pipeline Authority and AGL may have given rise to an obligation on the part of the government to give

'first right of refusal' to AGL should it proceed to sell this asset.

It is with this point in mind that the Committee places on record its concern that the government may become i nvolv e d in a

protracted round of litigation should it sell the p i peline

contrary to the provisions of any previous agreements between it and the AGL corporation. The Committee is also of a view t hat

a detailed analysis of the impact on the financial viabi l ity of

commercial users of natural gas from the pipeline should be

conducted before changes in the pricing structur e a re

implemented.

The absence of officers from the Pipeline Authority on the

evening of the hearing made it difficult for the Committee to have access to the full range of knowledge of the

legal and financial parameters of the Authority and the proposed sale of the pipeline.

Acknowledgments

The Committee takes the opportunity to thank the Minister f or Industrial Relations, Senator the Honourable Peter Cook, for his assistance during the hearing. The Committee also thanks the officials of the two departments for their attendance and co­ operation in answering questions and their willingness to p rovi de certain additional information to ensure that committee Members were aware of all information available.

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Recommendations

1.

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Estimates Committee F recommends that the Senate approve, without amendment or request for amendment, expenditure in accordance with the estimates

considered by the Committee.

Michael Beahan Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

RESERVATIONS

Richard Gilbert Secretary Estimates Committee F Parliament House CANBERRA 2600

Dear Mr Gilbert

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_1ft THE SENATE CANBERRA. A .C .T .

By way of reservation I recommend that all question unanswered as at the day of presentation of the committee's report (refer to annexe 1) ·be the subject of further debate in the Senate. Yours faithfully

Winston Crane Senator for Western Australia

15 October 1990

Richard Gilbert Secretary Estimates Committee F Parliament House CANBERRA 2600

Dear Mr Gilbert

THE SENATE CANBERRA. A .C .T.

By way of reservation I recommend that all matters referred to in the report of the Estimates Committee F be the subject of

further consideration in the Senate.

Yours faithfully

Winston Crane Senator for Western Australia

15 October 1990

Richard Gilbert Secretary Estimates Committee F Parliament House CANBERRA 2600

Dear Mr Gilbert

THE SENATE CANBERRA. A.C.T.

By way of reservation I recommend matters pertaining to sub­ program 1. 2 of Industrial Relations Development Workplace Reform be the subject of further examination by the Senate.

Yours faithfully

Winston Crane· Senator for Western Australia

15 October 1990

Richard Gilbert Secretary

THE SENATE CANBERRA, A .C .T .

Estimates Committee F Parliament House CANBERRA 2600

Dear Mr Gilbert

By way of reservation I recommend that the following be the

subject of further debate in the Senate:-Depar tment for Industrial Relations

1. Subprogram 1.7- Australian Trade Union Training Authority

2 . Program 2 - Australian Government Employment: Remunerati on, Structures and Conditions.

3 . Subprogram 1.4 - Affirmative Action Program

4. Subprogram 3.2 - Legislation, international and advocacy

Department for Primary Industries and Energy

s. Subprogram 1.1 - Livestock and pastoral 6. Subprogram 1.2 - Crops

7. Subprogram 1.3 - Fisheries

8 . Subprogram 1.4 - Petroleum and energy programs

9. Subprogram 1.6 - Natural resource management

10. Subprogram 2.2 - Rural adjustment and services

11. Subprogram 2.3 - Quarantine and inspection

12 . Subprogram 2.5 - Plague locust control

13. Subprogram 4.1 - Corporate policy

Yours sincerely

Winston Crane Senator for Western Australia

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Jli,. PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA . THE: SENATe: SENATOR BRIAN R. ARCHER fOil PAALIAMrN I (" o\.C .T. ]'()0 TELL!'! ION[ 061- n•I8S 16 October 1990

Mr Richard Gilbert Secretary Estimate Committee F

Fax: 5775

Dear Sir,

Ill Wll S0N STri{(T 8lif\Nif. l A5 MANIA r .o . aox ><2. &UI\Nir. THEPHONI 1>."\ol . )I Sill

Would you please reserve for debate the gas pipeline issue. Otherwise all OK by me.

Yours sincerely,

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Jib PARLIAMENT OF AUSTRALIA THE SENATE SENATORJIM SHORT LI&£1\Al SENATOR FOR VICTOIUA SHADOW MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1c ASSISTING THE LEAOEII. ON COHHONWEALTH/STIITE 16 October 1990 Mr Richard Gilbert Secretary Senate Estimates Committee F Parliament House CANBERRA ACT 2600 Dear Mr Gilbert, I wish to submit a reservation to the Report of Senate Estimates Committee F relating to the proposed sale of the Moomba-Sydnay Gas Pipeline. I accordingly reserve the right to speak on the matter in the Committee of the Whole debate of the Appropriation Bills. Yours sincerely,

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

1.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 4

Thursday 13 September 1990 at 2.00 p.m. in

Senate Committee Room 141 Parliament House

MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 2.00

p.m . in Senate Committee Room 14. The Chairman, Senator Beahan, took the Chair.

2. OPENING STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman reported the Resolutions of the Senate, dated 23 and 24 August 1990,

relating to the consideration of particulars of proposed

expenditure for 1990-91 and made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the Estimates.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-91: DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS:

In attendance: Senator the Honourable Peter Cook,. Minister for Industrial Relations, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Industrial Relations Mr R. Marshman, Deputy Secretary

Mr P. Reece, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Industrial

Relations Development Division Mr N. Jacobs, Acting Assistant Secretary, Industrial

Relations Development Division Mr R. Fotheringham, Assistant Secretary, Industrial

Relations Development Division

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Mr J. Lloyd, Assistant Secretary, Industrial Relations Policy

Division

Mr R. Stewart-Crompton, First Assistant Secretary,

Legislation and Review Division Mr M. Coghlan, First Assistant Secretary, APS Pay and

Structures Division Ms R. Campbell, First Assistant Secretary, Remuneration and

Conditions Division Mr T. Munyard, Assistant Secretary, Corporate Services Branch

Mr T. Brosnan, Assistant Secretary, Parliamentary, Secretariat

and Communication Branch Mr s . D. MacDonald, Assistant Secretary, International and

Special Projects Branch Mr D. Seymour, Director, Resources Management Section

Mr G. Brine, Assistant Director, Resources Management

Section

Affirmative Action Agency Ms V. Pratt, Director

Ms H. Campbell, Deputy Director

Australian Industrial Relations Commission and Industrial Registry

Mr M. Kelly, Executive Director, Corporate Services

Mr J. Leydon, Director, Administration

Rational Occupational Health and Safety Commission

Ms J. Neary, Deputy Chief Executive

Mr J. Nolan-Neylan, Director, Resources Management

Australian Trade Union Training Authority

Mr K. Stone, National Director

Mr T. Prabhakaran, Acting Manager, Administration

and Finance

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Remuneration Tribunal

Ms B. Collins, Secretary

Commission for the Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation of Commonwealth Employees

Mr R. Knapp, Acting Chief Executive Officer

Mr D. Mackrell, General Manager, Risk management

Mr P. Skeen, General Manager, Operations

Mr P. Pharaoh, Acting General Manager, Finance

and Systems

Department of Finance Ms J. Pettit, Senior Finance Officer

Ms M. Stretton, Finance Officer

Mr R. de Farranti, Senior Finance Officer

The Chairman called on consideration of general items spanning more than one program and then the following Programs requiring Expenditure for consideration by the Committee:

Program 1 -

Program 2 -

Program 3 -

Industrial Relations Wages, Incomes and Labour Market Development Australian Government Employment: Remuneration, Structures and Conditions

Corporate Management and Support

Together the expenditure in these Programs comprised the

following: Division 365-371 Division 910-911 (Document A)

(Document B)

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4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1990-91: .. DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRIES AND ENERGY:

In attendance: Senator the Honourable Peter Cook, representing the Minister for Primary Industries and Energy, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Prbnary Industries and Energy

Mr G.L. Lawless, Executive Director, Corporate Development

Mr P.T. Core, Executive Director, Minerals and Fisheries Group

Mr B.J. Hill, Executive Director, Agriculture and Forestry

Group

Professor R.W.R. Rutland, Executive Director, Bureau of Mineral Resources Mr G. Murray, Executive Director, Australian Quarantine and

Inspection Service Dr B.S. Fisher, Executive Director, Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics Dr M.J. Williams, Acting Executive Director, Bureau of

Rural Resources Mr P. Hunt, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Affairs

Division

Mr J.F. Landos, Senior Assistant Director, Australian

Quarantine and Inspection Service Mr N.L. Blackman, Principal Veterinary Officer, National

Residue Survey, Bureau of Rural Resources Mr G.C. Gorrie, Director, Australian Fisheries Service

Mr K.H. Matthews, Acting First Assistant Secretary, coal and

Minerals Division Mr W.G. McGregor, First Assistant Secretary, Livestock and

Pastoral Division Ms J.M. Hewitt, First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Policy

Division

Mr R.R. Alderson, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Petroleum

Division

Mr J.P. Wicks, First Assistant Secretary, Energy

Division

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Dr G.R. Towers, Senior Assistant Director, Headquarters Group,

Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service Mr P.J. Corrigan, Senior Assistant Director, Corporate Services

Branch, Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service Ms W.L. Fisher, Assistant Secretary, Finance Branch

Mr A.G. Glenn, Assistant Secretary, Crops Division

Mr K.F. O'Brien, Assistant Secretary, Crops Division

Mr B.V. Lilburn, Assistant Secretary, Crops Division

Mr R . N. Rawson, Assistant Secretary, Test Site Management Unit

Mr P.H. Sutton, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Land Resources

Division

Mr T. Roberts, Assistant Secretary, Water Branch

Mr I . G. Thompson, Principal Executive Director, Water Branch

Mr R.H. Walker, Principal Executive Director, Land Branch

Mr R.A. Calder, Assistant Secretary, Agriculture and Forestry

Secretariat Branch Mr G . N. Hooper, Director, Agriculture and Veterinary Chemicals

Mr G.M. Flaherty, Principal Executive Officer, Financial

Management, Corporate Services Branch, Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service Mrs D. I . Hornesby, Principal Executive Officer, Changing

Policy, Corporate Services Branch, Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service Mr J.A. Cahill, Acting Assistant Director, Resource Management

Branch, Bureau of Mineral Resources Mr J.K. Picot, Manager, Administration, Bureau of Rural

Resources

Department of Finance Ms M. Reid, Senior Finance Officer

Mr C.J . Lloyd, Chief Finance Officer

Ms 0 . Kings, Finance Officer

The Chairman reported the Resolutions of the Senate dated 23 and

24 August 1990 relating to the particulars of proposed

expenditure for 1990-91 and made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examina tion of the Estimates .

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Senator the Honourable Peter Cook , Minister for Industrial Relations, representing the Minister for Primary Industries and Energy made an introductory statement.

The Chairman then called on consideration of general items spanning more than one program and then the following Programs requiring Expenditure for consideration by the Committee:

Program 1 Industries Development

Program 2 Infrastructure and Support

Program 3 Research and Assessment

Program 4 Corporate Management and Policy

Together the expenditure in these Programs comprised the

following: Division 490-494 (Document A) Division (Document B)

5. RESUMPTION OF HEARING RELATING TO DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS:

The Chairman, with the Committee's agreement anci Minister ' s consent, tabled a question on notice from Senator Newman relating to the Work and Family Unit.

6. SUSPENSION OF MEETING:

The Committee suspended its discussions from 6.30 - 7.44 pm .

7 • RESUMPTION OF HEARING RELATING TO DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY

INDUSTRIES AND ENERGY:

Discussion resumed on the Department's programs.

8. ADJOURNMENT:

The Committee adjourned at midnight.

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9 • A'l'TEHDAHCE:

Senators Beahan (Chairman) 1 Archer 1 Chapman 1 Crane 1 Foreman 1 Sherry. Senators Boswell and Short also participated in the Committee's proceedings. Senator Colston was in attendance for part of the hearings.

.Michael Beahan Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 5

Tuesday 16 October 1990 at 3.15 p.m. in

Senator Beahan's office, Parliament House

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 3.15 p.m . in Senator Beahan's office . The Chairman, Senator Beahan, took the Chair.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: The Minutes of the meeting held on 13 September 1990 (No. 4) were confirmed.

3. COMMITTEE REPORT: The Committee considered matters in the Chairman's draft report and agreed that subject to an addendum relating to Comcare (age discrimination issue) it should become the final report and be tabled in the Senate on 18 October 1990 .

4. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: The Minutes of the meeting held on 16 October 1990 were confirmed.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 3.22 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Beahan (Chairman), Archer, Chapman, Crane, Foreman, and Sherry.

CERTIFIED CORRECT:

Michael Beahan Chairman

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

FOR HANSARD OF HEARING

THURSDAY 13 SEPTEMBER 1990

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SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR HANSARD OF HEARING

Thursday, 13 September 1990

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

General Questions

Availability of Department's draft annual report Regional versus Head Office

Expenditure

Per capita costs

Travel budget

Cost Recovery

Extent

Items included/excluded from charging in partial

Page

F4

F4-F5

FS

FS

FS

cost recovery FS

Revenue accrued FS

Special appropriations under Section 35(a) of the

Audit Act 1901 FS

External consultants used by Department during 1989-90 F6

Non-statutory bodies - names, accountability F6

Trust accounts operated by Depart ment F6

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Projects undertaken by the Department for other

organisations

Projects undertaken by the Department by other

organisations

Efficiency dividends

F6

F6

F6-F8

Program 1 - Industrial Relations Wages, Incomes and Labour

Market Development

Sub-program 1.1 - Policy development and advice

Pay increases for members of the Professional Radio

and Electronics Institute

Equal Pay Unit

Australian workplace industrial relations survey

Sub-program 1.2 - Industrial relations development

Assistance for union restructuring program - grants

Workplace reform program - grants

Applications for assistance for union amalgamation

Workplace reform program - increased allocation

Rationalisation of the Commonwealth and State industrial relations systems - spending, objective, accountability, savings made in long term

FB

F8-F9

F9-Fl0

FlO

FlO

Fll-Fl2

Fl2

Fl2-Fl3

Awards management

expenditure

333

possible duplication

tripartite advisory committee Work change assistance - subsidy, expenditure,

estimates, promotion of scheme, application

process, evaluation of results, grants

Surveillance for non-compliance of payment of

occupational superannuation

Sub-program 1.3 - Special industry services

Stevedoring Industry Finance Committee Act 1977

increase in appropriation

Sub-Program 1.4 - Affirmative Action Agency

Increase in salaries

Strategies for women with a non-English speaking background

Sub-program 1.5 - Australian Industrial Relations

Commission of Industrial Registry

Court Reporting Service

supplementation for charges

expenditure previous year

Assistance in the conduct of union elections

F13

F13

F14

F14-F15

Fl9-F20

FlS

F19

F20-F21

F15-F16

F16

F16

334

Translations of Commission's decisions on awards

availability publicity

Sub-program 1.6 - National Occupational Health

and Safety Commission (Worksafe Australia)

Knowledge and prevention program

improvements in industry response

allocation of estimates between key prevention strategies

Fl6

Fl6

Fl6

Fl6

Sub-program 1.7 -Australian Trade Union Training Authority

Internal union training increased funding

staff development

Program 2 - Australian Government Employment:

Remuneration, Structures and Conditions

Sub-program 2.1 - Australian Public Service pay and

structures

Performance based pay for senior executive service

Provision of motor vehicles for SES officers

Control by Government over the remuneration policies

of government business enterprises - guidelines

Fl6

Fl6-Fl7

Fl7

Fl7-Fl8

Fl8

335

Increase in value of salary packages received by chief

executive officers of GBEs; comparison with

increases to SES officers

Sub-program 2.3 - Remuneration Tribunals

Pharmaceutical Benefits Remuneration Tribunal

database inquiry

Increase in administrative expenses

Additional workload for Remuneration Tribunal

Staffing on Remuneration Tribunal

Sub-program 2.4 - Commission for the Safety,

Rehabilitation and Compensation of Commonwealth

Employees (COMCARE)

Reconciling charges debited by agencies to the trust

account with the record of compensation

determinations; accounting methods to redress

situation

Coverage provided by COMCARE for people working past

the age of 65; legislation

Administration of trust account

Claims for asbestosis or mesothelioma

Fl8-Fl9

F21

F21-F22

F22

F22

F22-F23

F23-F24

F24

F28

336

Program 3 - Corporate Management and Support

Sub-program 3.2 - Legislation, international and advocacy

Overseas travel program - nature, resources F25

Sub-program 3.3 - Policy support and public communication

Increase in administrative expenses

Initiatives related to public information; outcomes; effectiveness of spending

Sub-program 3.4 - Corporate Services

Increase in salaries and administrative expenses

Nature of 'one-off' payment of $981,000

Melbourne-Canberra transfer program

Expenditure on compensation and legal expenses

Reduction in capital expenditure

Compatibility of equipment for government departments

DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRIES AND ENERGY

Portfolio Overview

Chairman's Opening Statement

Minister's Opening Statement

F26

F26

F27

F27

F27

F27

F27-F28

F28

F29-F30

F34-F35

337

General Questions

Cost of preparation of Annual Report F35

Flexibility Tax - operation F35

Application of Section 35A of Audit Act (1901) F35

Staff vacancies - number of, recruitment and retention F36

Cost recovery F36

External consultants

Non-statutory bodies, trust accounts

Projects undertaken for other governments or

non-departmental bodies

Program 1 - Industries Development

Sub-program 1.1 -Livestock and pastoral

Brucellosis and tuberculosis eradication campaign

increased allocation of funds

monitoring of post-eradication phase

cost sharing arrangements between Commonwealth

and States

Australian beef and veal exports

Performance indicators

Preparedness for exotic animal diseases

contingency plan for TGE

methods of control

F36

F36

F36

F37,F41

F41

F41

F37

F37

F38

F38

338

Wool Marketing Act 1987

research, promotion and market support

wool payments owing from the USSR

Review of the wool industry

Estimates for sales of wool

Role of the International Wool Secretariat

Slaughter levy and export charge

Australian Meat and Livestock Corporation

accountability for expenditure and

administrative efficiency

Honey Marketing Act

export levy and levy

Import of Canadian pigmeat

nature of assistance to Canadian pork producers

basis for decisions taken on importation

amount of pigmeat entering Australia

correspondence with State Ministers on

disease aspect

submissions from other organisations on

disease aspect

Availability of proposed study on deer industry Innovative Agricultural Marketing Program

funding proposals

Screw-worm fly preparedness program

Ausvetplan

Commonwealth-State funding, when operational

projects-expenditure, priorities, allocation

of funds State by State

F38-F39

F39

F39-F40

F40

F40

F40-F41

F40-F41

F42

F42-F43

F43-F44

F45

F45

F45

F46

F46

F46

F47

F49

339

Levy figures for sheep qnd cattle used to

formulate Estimates

Live sheep exports to Saudi Arabia

rejections Poultry Industry Assistance Act

explanation for shortfall in 1989-90 outcome

explanation for trust fund

EXANDIS

role of industry in determining expenditure of trust account money Training in WA, Queensland and Northern Territory

Sub-program 1.2 - Crops

Trade Sanctions against Iraq

involvement of Department

research on cost to farmers of sanctions

effect on price of wheat Importation of potatoes

Export strategy for Australian mangoes

Tasmanian Wheat Freight Fund

projects funded with disbursed moneys Horticultural Corporation and Horticultural Research

and Development Corporation

establishment cost

Intended expenditure under the Primary Industries

and Energy Research and Development Act 1989

Sugar assistance program in relation to Ord River

proposals

F47

F47

F48

F49

F49

F49

F49

FSO

FSO

FSO

F51

F52

F52

F53

F53

340

Sub-program 1.3 - Fisheries

Implementation of resource rent policy

progress made, contribution by States/Commonwealth F53

Financial implications of Commonwealth/Queensland

agreement on Offshore Constitutional Settlement FS3-F54

National Fisheries Adjustment Program F5 4

Increased appropriation for Fisheries Industry

Adjustment and Fisheries Development Trust Accounts

projects covered FS4, F58

Development of north west slope and western deepwater

trawl

number of applications received licences issued FS4

effect of reduced TAC's on arrangements made with international bodies F54

Northern prawn fishery adjustment

progress of anticipated residual number of boats

Amount expended on research into orange roughy

Status of fishing licences as property

effect of WA Supreme Court judgement on Departmental policy

Incursions by foreign fishermen

reason for recent increase

role of Australian or licensed overseas fishermen in surveillance

adequacy of funding, penalties, percentage

apprehended

F54

FSS

FSS

F55- F56

F56

F59-F60

341

Establishment of post harvest research and

development centre F56

Relationship with NZ in fisheries research and

management F56

Aquaculture

progress in development of national strategy

for aquaculture and mariculture industries F57

federal funding F57

ABARE study on economic outlook for the industry -likely completion date F57

Australian Fisheries Magazine

revenue, circulation, number of subscribers,

cost recovery F57-F58

New administrative arrangements for fisheries management

estimated costs F58

Torres Strait protected zone

effectiveness of procedures for closures, exemptions, policing of closures F59

Fisheries surveys and development

increased expenditure

Southern bluefish tuna

detection and enforcement aspect

Sub- program 1.4 - Petroleum and energy programs

F59

F60

Errors in list of Acts for which Department responsible F60

.342

Energy efficiency

availability of details on energy intensity movement as indicator of energy efficiency F60-F6 1

areas of energy usage where savings are anticipated F62

National average fuel consumption

reason for increase

need for public education program

basis for overall average

Deductability of offshore platform removal and mine

site rehabilitation for company tax purposes Resource rent tax - cost of administr ation

Development of alcohol fuels

research, point at which they may become

economically viable

Effect of current oil crisis on Departmental estimates

Prospects for increasing domestic production

Revenue raised by Excise (Prices) Amendment Bill 1990

Research on renewable energy

Jackson oilfield

point of production at which excise tax is

applicable

likelihood of Jackson or other fields reaching

excisable production level

Sub-program 1.6 - Nuclear

Status of feasilibity study for national radioactive

waste repository

Programs to monitor health of uranium miners

F61

F6 1

F6 2

F61

F62

F62 - F63

F63 - F64

F64

F64

F64

F65

F75 - F76

F65

F65

343

Program 2 - Infrastructure and Support

Sub-program 2.1 - Natural Resource Management

Tax deductability of land degradation expenses

requirements re 'whole farm plan'

Land Care

resources available

breakup of allocated money

staff involved in administration of national soil conservation program and land care program number of projects approved

contributory funding, management arrangements between state and federal governments

Report by Rural Development Centre - action taken to

implement recommendations

Afforestation program

details of grants made 1989-90 as criteria for current year's grants

explanation for reduced allocation

assessment of success of program

National Plantations Advisory Committee

National Forest Strategy - national forest inventory

Explanation for cuts in funding to sub-programs

water resources assessment and research grants

contribution to salinity mitigation works and

measures

Landcare Australia Ltd

F65-F66

F69-F70

F66

F66

F67

F67

F67

F68

F70

F70

F70

F70

F71

F71

F71

F72

344

Sub-program 2.2 - Rural Adjustment and Services

Eligibility for Austudy for children of farmers input by Department

Funding for rural adjustment and relati onship to

drought relief program

Rural counselling program

F72

F72

assessment of success F72

Australian Country Information Service tri al

number established, where located, how determined F73

how staffed, how funding spent, responsibility of

Department in directing services provi ded

how evaluated

Marketing skills resources centres

assessment of success, when available

industry contributions

centres currently operating

Sub-program 2.3 - Quarantine and Inspection

Heat treatment of honey

Ballast water

success of voluntary compliance measures

anticipated future moves Testing program for imported food

commodities tested under analytical testing

Quarantine services publicity

reason for increase in revenue

F74

F7 4

F7 5

F75

F75

F76 - F77

F7 7

F7 8

F78- F79

F79

Revenue from inspection charges

reason for increase

345

Redundancy costs for surplus meat inspectors

number and method of redundancies

reconciliation of payout amount with saving of staff years Plans for enabling industry scrutiny of AQIS operations

Relations between exporters and inspectors

Definition of prescribed good in terms of inspection

requirements

Criteria for determining whether inspection required Establishments approved to carry out their own quality

assurance programs

Sub-program 2.4 - Energy Infrastructure

Pipeline Authority

F80

F80

F80

F81

F81-F82

F82

F82

F83

increased haulage tariff - basis for and implications

of this F83-F86

effect of tariff increases on profitability of Authority

1985 agreement with AGL - reason why never signed

F84-F85

F83

reason for location of head office, number of staff F84

Length of time gas reserves expected to last F83

Proposed sale of Pipeline Authority

legal force of 1985 agreement F87

legislation F87

effect on operation of Authority and Department's role availability of consultancy work for staff F87

F88

346

current operational level of Authority

legal advice received

Sub-program 2.5 - Plague Locust Control

Anticipated locust outbreak in WA

Program 3 - Research and Assessment

F88

F88-F89

F89

Sub-program 3.1 - Geoscience research and resource assessment

Reason for new BMR building F89

Kakadu Conservation Advisory Committee

possible duplication of role with RAC, number of

meetings in last two years

Sub-program 3.2 - Agricultural and resource analyses

Property operating expenses

Program 4 - Corporate Management and Policy

Sub-program 4. 1 - Corporate Policy

BMR publication "Geoscience for Australia's Future"

details of its purpose, costs, circulation, name

F89-F90

F90

of printer F90-F91

Sustainable development working groups

how constituted, items covered by funds allocated F91-F92

347

QUESTIONS UNANSWERED AT

a..oSE OF HEARINGS

ON 13 SEPTEMBER 1990

349

ANNEXE1

SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

Questions Unanswered at the close

of hearings on 13 September 1990

Department of Industrial Relations

Departmental Committees

Inter-department Committees (IDCs)

Internal Departmental Committees

Committees of Inquiry Management Information Systems

Staffing

ANOP

Proportion of MIS/ADP/IT budget for 1986/87,

1987/88, 1 9 88/89 and 1989/90 spent on contracting out or out-sourcing requirements

Work Place Reform

General Questions

Regional versus head office expenditure

expenditure

per capita costs

travel budget

Page

Fl

F2

F2

F2

F2

F2

F2

F4 - FS

F4 - FS

F4-F5

Cost Recovery

extent of

350

items included/excluded from charging in

partial cost recovery Revenue accrued

External consultants used by Department during

1989-90

Non-statutory bodies - names, accountability

Trust accounts operated by the Department

Projects undertaken by the Department for other

organisations

Projects undertaken for the Department by other

organisations

Program 1 - Industrial Relations, Wages, Incomes and

Labour Market Development

Sub-program 1.2 - Industrial relations development

Assistance for union restructuring program - grants

Work Place Reform program

grants

increased allocation

Work change assistance - expenditure, promotion of

scheme

Work and Family Unit

staffing, expenditure on wages and salaries, objectives, guidelines, input from Office of the Status of Women

FS

FS

FS

F6

F6

F6

F6

F6

FlO

FlO

Fl2

Fl4

F28

351

Sub-program 1.5 - Australian Industrial Relations

Commission of Industrial Registry

Court Reporting Service - expenditure previous year

Sub-program 1.6 - National Occupational Health and

Safety Commission (Worksafe Australia)

Knowledge and prevention program

allocation of estimates between key prevention strategies

Program 2 - Australian Government Employment:

Remuneration, Structures and Conditions

Sub-program 2.1 -Australian Public Service pay and

structures Increase in value of salary packages received by

chief executive officers of GBEs; comparison with

increases to SES officers

Sub-program 2.4 - Commission for the Safety,

Rehabilitation and Compensation of Commonwealth

Employees (COMCARE)

Claims for asbestosis or mesothelioma

Program 3 - Corporate Management and Support

Sub-program 3.4 - Corporate Services

Nature of 'one-off' payment of $981,000 - breakdown

F16

F16

F18-F19

F28

F27

352

Department of Primary Industries and Energy

General Questions

Cost of Preparation of Annual Report

Projects undertaken for other governments or non-departmental bodies

Representatives on Departmental boards - remuneration

to Board members on Statutory Marketing Authorities and Research and Development

Corporations/Councils

Departmental Mailing Lists - the number of names on

certain mailing lists Department's involvement in Inter-Departmental and

internal departmental committees - further

F35

F36

F30

F30

information relating to this F30

Research studies and/or opinion polls commissioned by

the Department - further details concerning these,

including the provision of a report on Quarantine

into Schools Curricula Promotional projects undertaken by the Department

Committees of inquiry within the Department

Program 1 - Industries Development

Sub-program 1.1 - Livestock and pastoral

Preparedness for exotic .animal diseases

methods of control

Honey Marketing Act - export levy and levy

Import of Canadian pigrneat

nature of assistance to Canadian pork producers

F30

F30

F30

F38

F42

F42-F43

353

Levy figure for sheep and cattle used to formulate

Estimates

Ausvetplan - detailed paper to be provided

EXANDIS- training in W.A., Queensland, N.T.

Sub-program 1.2 - Crops

Tasmanian Wheat Freight Fund - projects funded with

F47

F49

F49

disbursed moneys F52

Intended expenditure under the Primary Industries and

Energy Research and Development Act 1989 F53

Sub-program 1.3 - Fisheries

Increased appropriation for Fisheries Industry

Adjustment and Fisheries Development Trust

Accounts - projects covered

Amount expended on research into orange roughy

Aquaculture

federal funding

Fisheries surveys and development

F54, F58

F55

F57

increased expenditure F59

Fisheries Surveillance - full cost of apprehensions of

illegal fishing vessels for the last year F31

Sub-program 1.4 - Petroleum and energy programs

Errors in list of Acts for which Department responsible F60

Energy efficiency

availability of details on energy intensity movement as indicator of energy efficiency

Research on renewable energy

F60-F61

F64

354

Jackson oilfield

point of production at which excise tax is

applicable

Australian Fuel Consumption Guide - full report on

consumer awareness of Guide

Petroleum and Energy Products - plan of management for

Ashmore and Cartier Islands by ANPAWS

Program 2 - Infrastructure and Support

Sub-program 2.1 - Natural Resource Management

Tax deductability of land degradation expenses

F65

F32

F31

requirements re "whole farm plan" F65-F66, F69-F70

Land Care

breakup of allocated money

staff involved in administration of national soil conservation program and land care program

Sub-program 2.2 - Rural Adjustment and Services

Australian Country Information Service trial

where located

Marketing skills resources centres

assessment of success, when available

centres currently operating

Sub-program 2.3 - Quarantine and Inspection

Testing program for imported food - commodities

tested under analytical testing

F66

F67

F74

F75

F75

F78-F79

355

Sub-program 2. 4 - Energy Infrastructure

Pipeline Authority

1985 agreement with AGL - reason why never signed F83

head office, number of staff F84

Length of time gas reserves expected to last F83

Proposed sale of Pipeline Authority

legal force of 1985 agreement F87

availability of consultancy work for staff F88

Program 3 - Research and Assessment

Sub-program 3.1 - Geoscience research and resource

assessment

Kakadu Conservation Advisory Committee

number of meetings in last two years

Program 4 - Corporate Management and Policy

Sub-program 4.1 - Corporate Policy

BMR publication "Geoscience for Australia's Future"

name of printer

Sustainable development working groups

how constituted

F89-F90

F90-F91

F91-F92

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