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The Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEES A, B, C, D, E AND F

Reports to the Senate on Departmental Estimates for year 1984-85 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for year 1983-84

Presented and ordered to be printed 9 October 1984

Parliamentary Paper No. 318/1984

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Parliamentary Paper No. 318/1984

The Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEES A, B, C, D, E and F

Reports to the Senate on Departmental Estimates for year 1984-85 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister

for Finance for year 1983-84.

The Commonwealth Government Printer Canberra 1985

© Commonwealth of Australia 1985

Printed by Authority by the Commonwealth Government Printer

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1. Resolution of the Senate................................. iv

CONTENTS

2. Membership of Committees ................................. v

3. Estimates Committee A Report ................................................. 3

Minutes of Proceedings 1984 3 September 1984 ..................................... 13

4 September 1984 ..................................... 19

8 October 1984 ....................................... 24

4. Estimates Committee B Report .................................................

Minutes of Proceedings 24 August 1984 ....................................... 33

3 September 1984 ...................................... 35

4 September 1984 ...................................... 39

5. Estimates Committee C Report................................................. 47

Minutes of Proceedings 1984 3 September 1984 ...................................... 51

4 September 1984 ...................................... 57

6. Estimates Committee D Report................................................. 63

Minutes of Proceedings 1984 31 May 1984 (5 meetings)............................. 67

13 September 1984 (2 meetings)....................... 7 7

14 September 19 84 .................................... 77

26 September 19 84 .................................... 81

2 October 1984 (2 meetings)......................... 84

7. Estimates Committee E Report................................................. 89

Minutes of Proceedings 1984 13 September 1984 (2 meetings)....................... Ill

2 October 19 84 (2 meetings)........................... 120

9 October 1984 ....................................... 127

8. Estimates Committee F Report................................................. 131

Minutes of Proceedings 13 September 1984 .................................... 135

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RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE PASSED ON 23 AUGUST 1984

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEES - REFERENCE OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 AND DEPARTMENTAL EXPENDITURE UNDER ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1983-84: The Manager of Government Business (Senator Grimes), at the request of the Leader of

the Government (Senator Button) and pursuant to Notice of Motion not objected to as a Formal Motion, moved - e (1) That the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure

in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1985 in relation to the Parliamentary Departments, the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the service of the year ending on 30 June 1985 and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June

1985 be referred herewith to Estimates Committees for examination and report.

(2) That expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ended 30 June 1984 be referred to Estimates Committees for examination and report prior to its consideration in Committee of the Whole.

(3) That the Committees consider Proposed Expenditure and Departmental Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance in the Estimates Committee groupings agreed to by Resolution of the Senate of 22 April 1983*.

(4) That the Committees report to the Senate on or before Tuesday, 9 October 1984.

* Estimates Committee Groups

Estimates Committee A Parliament Industry and Commerce Prime Minister and Cabinet Employment and Industrial

Relations Communications

Estimates Committee D Education and Youth Affairs Sport, Recreation and Touris Science and Technology Home Affairs and Environment Aboriginal Affairs

Estimates Committee B Social Security Immigration and Ethnic Affairs Housing and Construction Health

Estimates Committee E Attorney-General Special Minister of State Foreign Affairs Defence Defence Support

Estimates Committee C Resources and Energy Trade Treasury Primary Industry Finance

Estimates Committee F Veterans' Affairs Transport Aviation Administrative Services Territories and Local Governm

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MEMBERSHIP OF COMMITTEES

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A Senator Robert Ray (Chairman) Senator Coleman Senator Cook Senator Hill Senator Lewis Senator Peter Rae

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B Senator Giles (Chairman) Senator Bjelke-Petersen Senator Crowley Senator Elstob

Senator Messner Senator Walters

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C Senator Primmer (Chairman) Senator Boswell Senator Sir John Carrick Senator Childs

Senator Dame Margaret Guil Senator Maguire

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D Senator Colston (Chairman) Senator Baume ^ Senator Coates Senator Martin Senator Tate^ Senator Teague Senator Zakharov

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E Senator Sibraa (Chairman) Senator Coates^ Senator Durack Senator MacGibbon Senator Primmer6 Senator Reynolds Senator Scott Senator Tate1 2 3 4 5 6

Senator Watson

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F Senator Georges (Chairman) Senator Collard Senator Reid Senator Richardson Senator Robertson Senator Townley

(1) Discharged 23 August 1984 (2) Appointed 23 August 1984 (3) Discharged 23 August 1984 (4) Appointed 23 August 1984 and discharged 14 September 1984 (5) Discharged 7 September 1984 and re-appointed 14 September 1984 (6) Appointed 7 September 1984

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E STIMATES COMMITTEE A REPORT TO THE SENATE

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee A has the honour to report to the Senate.

1. On 23 August 1984 , the Senate referred to the

Committee the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the year 1984-85, and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ending 30 June 1984, relating to the Parliament, the Department of Industry and Commerce, Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, the Department of Employment and Industrial Relations, and the Department of Communications.

2. The Committee has considered the Estimates of the Departments, together with the Departmental Explanatory Notes, and has received evidence in relation to them from the President of the Senate (Senator the Hon. Douglas McClelland), the Minister for Industry and Commerce (Senator the Hon. John

Button), and officers of the Departments concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropriation (Parliamentary Departments) Bill 1984-85, Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1984-85 and Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1984-85. Answers to questions which were deferred and subsequently given in writing since the Committee's last hearings will be tabled in the Senate and

incorporated in the final Hansard report of the Committee's hearings.

3. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following matters arising from its consideration of the Estimates.

PARLIAMENTARY DEPARTMENTS

Commonwealth Record

In considering the Estimates of the Department of the Senate the Committee noted that $50,000 was being sought for the purchase of the Commonwealth Record for Senators in 1984-85 - an increase of more than $8,000 on actual expenditure in 1983-84. The Committee was advised that the current guidelines enable a

Senator to take out, through the Department of the Senate, up to 10 subscriptions at a current cost of $144.60 per annual subscription. These guidelines were originally established by the then Department of Administrative Services and were maintained by the Department of the Senate when it assumed responsibility for the supply to Senators of the Commonwealth Record late in 1982. The Committee was further advised that at

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present about 25 Senators receive their maximum entitlement of 10 subscriptions while the remainder receive a lesser number or none (about 21 Senators receive only one subscription).

The Committee understands that when the original

entitlement was set, the intention was to enable Senators (and Members) to supply copies of the Commonwealth Record to selected constituents.

However, in view of the rising, annual cost of subscriptions the Committee queries whether the guidelines are still appropriate or whether a lesser number of subscriptions - perhaps as low as two per Senator - should be considered. In the Committee's view the money saved would be better used to provide periodical subscriptions of more direct benefit to Senators than multiple copies of the same publication. The matter is one which

the President may wish to have reviewed at a suitable

opportunity.

Transfer of Functions

The Senate Select Committee on Parliament's Appropriations and Staffing in November 1981 recommended that the President arrange discussions with appropriate Executive departments with a view to transferring to the administration of the

Parliamentary departments those functions affecting Senators' entitlements and facilities currently administered by them. In its Report of October 1983 Estimates Committee A expressed a particular interest in seeing the implementation of this

recommendation.

Several functions were transferred in 1982 and early 1983 and discussions have continued on the transfer of policy and funds control in relation to a number of additional functions, such as:

. electorate office accommodation, furniture, fittings and office equipment;

. payment of Senators' (and Members') staff, including salaries, overtime and travelling allowances;

. stationery, postal and telephone services, incidental and other expenditure;

. conveyance of Senators (and Members);

. visits abroad and parliamentary delegations.

The Committee considers it appropriate for matters such as the above to be administered by the Department of the Senate (and the Department of the House of Representatives in the case of Members) rather than by an Executive department. (It should be noted that 'policy and funds control' is not intended to mean

taking over functions from bodies such as the Remuneration Tribunal but merely the implementation and administration of the 4

decisions of such bodies. The administration of matters relating solely to Ministers, Shadow Ministers, Party Leaders, etc., is also excluded from the transfer proposal.).

The Committee was somewhat concerned, therefore, to find in the annual report of the Senate Standing Committee on

Appropriations and Staffing, tabled on 12 September 1984, that Cabinet, having considered the matter, was of the view that there should be no further transfer of functions. However, the annual report went on to state that after a delegation from the Appropriations and Staffing Committee had met with the Minister

for Finance (also representing the Special Minister of State) the proposal was to be further considered. The Committee hopes that, upon further consideration having taken place, the transfer of additional functions will proceed.

An example of the desirability for having all functions relating to Senators and Members administered by the

Parliamentary departments arose in the Committee's examination of the Senate Estimates for 1984-85. These Estimates include an amount of $932,000 for the implementation of the first stage of the Senate Information Systems Strategic Plan.

The first stage includes the purchase of microcomputers and associated equipment for a number of Senators' Parliament House offices - the President at present having responsibility for services to Senators only within Parliament House. Later stages of the Strategic Plan make provision for the Parliament House equipment to be directly linked to compatible equipment in

Senators' electorate offices. However, the provision of equipment in electorate offices is presently the responsibility of the Special Minister of State.

Problems which could arise in relation to matters such as differing priorities between the Special Minister of State and the Parliament on the supply of equipment to Parliament House and to electorate offices, compatibility of equipment and

software, and the tendering process, would be obviated if the Parliament had responsibility for Senators' and Members' electorate offices as well as their Parliament House

accommodation. Significant savings on tenders could also result.

The supply of information and information processing services to Members of Parliament is a continually evolving process, but one which is centred on the Parliament. In the Committee's view, it would therefore be both desirable and

logical for the Parliament to have sole administrative responsibility for the supply of all the necessary equipment.

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DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNICATIONS

Explanatory Notes

The Committee noted that the Explanatory Notes of the Department of Communications, more than those of other departments it examined, tended to present the dissection of an item in terms of functional categories while the following reconciliation was presented mainly in terms of programs or activities, with insufficient explanatory material to enable the two to be directly related. Consequently, it was not always possible to find an explanation for each of the variations categorised in the dissection. The Committee commends the Explanatory Notes of the Department of Finance as an example of how the dissection and reconciliation should be related, with

the same categories being used in each.

The Committee also considered that the explanatory material presented by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation could have been better organised. The detailed explanations should have been presented in the order of the functional categories shown

in the dissection rather than being reorganised into the two major categories of 'salaries' and 'expenses', which necessitated considerable tracing through and page-turning to find relevant explanations.

Two other observations the Committee makes in relation to the Department's Explanatory Notes are that:

(1) it would have been assisted by a glossary of the

abbreviations and acronyms used in the Notes; and

(2) the presentation of material should be consistent throughout the Notes (for example, for several items the reconciliation preceded the dissection, whereas the reverse should have been the case; and in some comparisons of 1983-84 expenditure and 1984-85 proposed expenditure the columns were reversed).

Australian Broadcasting Corporation

In its Report of May 1984 on the Additional Estimates for 1983-84 the Committee had cause to criticise the Australian Broadcasting Corporation for its failure to properly inform the Committee at its hearing on 4 May. This failure caused the Committee to seek from the Senate an extension of time for it to

report to enable it, in the words of the May Report, 'to pursue what it regarded as vital questions going to the heart of the accountability of statutory authorities to the Parliament'. A second hearing involving the Australian Broadcasting Corporation

took place on 30 May.

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As a result of its experience with the Corporation, the Committee recommended in its May Report that the Senate re-affirm the following principle, first adopted by the Senate in 1971 after criticisms by Estimates Committee B of the then Australian Broadcasting Commission's attitude to parliamentary

scrutiny:

"That whilst it may be argued that Statutory Authorities are not accountable through the responsible Minister of State to Parliament for day-to-day operations, they may be called to account by Parliament itself at any time and that there are no areas of expenditure of public funds where these corporations have a discretion to withhold details or explanations from Parliament or its Committees unless the Parliament has expressly provided otherwise."

The Senate re-affirmed the principle on 4 June 1984 .

The Committee, in its May Report, also criticised the Corporation for its ' indifference1 to the Committee's role in failing to provide promptly, and then only in limited form, information sought at the 4 May hearing - most of the

information requested was provided only hours before the 30 May hearing.

The Committee's experience in examining the 1984-85 Estimates of the Corporation in September lead it to question whether the Corporation has undergone any change of attitude. Information which the Managing Director, Mr Whitehead, and

senior officers undertook to provide as a result of questioning at the 30 May hearing was not sent to the Committee until 9 July, and what was received was, in the Committee's view, less than adequate. Additional information sought at the September hearing, while this time received promptly, was again considered by the Committee to be less than adequate.

At the hearing itself, the Committee considered as less than satisfactory a number of the answers given by Mr Whitehead who appeared, at least, to be inadequately briefed on matters on which he could reasonably have expected questions. The Committee

suggests that Mr Whitehead should consider the greater use of experienced officers to answer questions which he is not in a position to answer completely or satisfactorily.

Statutory authorities are created by the Parliament and remain fully accountable to the Parliament. While such authorities have been given a degree of independence in terms of their day-to-day operations, they nevertheless remain finally answerable. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation, which is asking Parliament for $340 million of public funds to support

its operations in 1984-85, is -no exception.

Previous Estimates Committees have expressed concern at the manner in which the Australian Broadcasting Corporation has fulfilled its responsibilities to account to the Parliament. Nothing in the past two hearings before this Committee has done

anything to alleviate that concern.

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Unless there is an improvement there will come a time when this Committee will have to recommend to the Senate that it do more than merely draw the attention of the Australian

Broadcasting Corporation to its obligations to the Parliament.

BUDGETARY REFORMS AND THE PRESENTATION OF APPROPRIATIONS

Since coming to office, the present Government has proposed and/or implemented several budgetary reforms, with consequential changes in the presentation and structure of the appropriations presented to Parliament. The Minister for Finance has referred to a number of these changes in correspondence with the Committee during the past year - for example, the consolidation of certain administrative provisions.

In his most recent letter, dated 3 September 1984 , the Minister referred to the fact that the reforms could also have an effect on the explanatory material presented to Parliament and suggested that the time might be opportune to rationalise the current format of departmental explanations and to improve budgetary documentation. The Minister has written in similar terms to all Estimates Committees and to the Standing Committee on Finance and Government Operations.

As the issues arising are common to all Estimates

Committees, the Committee believes there would be merit in discussions at some stage between the Department of Finance and the Committees - perhaps represented by their Chairmen, Deputy- Chairmen and Secretaries.

However, before such a meeting is held the Committee considers that there would be benefit in the whole question being first examined by the Standing Committee on Finance and Government Operations, with a view to it arriving at

recommendations on any changes in the content and presentation of Explanatory Notes. The Committee's report could form the basis of discussions between the Estimates Committees and the Department of Finance.

The Committee therefore recommends that the following be referred to the Standing Committee on Finance and Government Operations for examination and report: Present and planned changes in the presentation and structure of the appropriations presented to Parliament and consequential changes to the content

and format of Departmental Explanatory Notes.

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GENERAL

4. The Committee expresses its appreciation of the

assistance given by the President, the Minister for Industry and Commerce and the officers of the various departments and authorities who appeared before the Committee.

Robert Ray Chairman

October 1984

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E STIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 12

MONDAY, 3 SEPTEMBER 1984

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.38p.m. The Chairman

(Senator Robert Ray) took the Chair.

2. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman reported the Resolution

of the Senate of 23 August 1984 and made a statement relating

to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the Estimates.

3. PUBLICATION OF WRITTEN ANSWERS: The Committee resolved as

follows: The Committee authorises the Secretary to release to

Senators other than members of Estimates Committee A, upon

request, written answers to questions asked at the hearings

of Estimates Committee A.

4. CORRESPONDENCE: The Chairman reported receipt of a letter

and attachments from the Minister for Finance, dated 3 September

1984, relating to several budget reforms and their possible impact

on the information needs of Parliament. Copies of the correspondence

were circulated to members.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984 - 8 5 ­

PARLIAMENTARY DEPARTMENTS

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Douglas McClelland, President of the Senate, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Senate Mr A.R. Gumming Thom, Clerk of the Senate Mr P.N. Murdoch, Clerk-Assistant (Management Office)

Mr H. Evans, Clerk-Assistant (Committee Office)

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Miss A. Lynch, Clerk-Assistant (Procedure Office)

Mr T.H.G. Wharton, Clerk-Assistant (Table Office) Mr R.W. Alison, Usher of the Black Rod

Mr C.G. Edwards, Senior Clerk of Committees

Mr G. Nankervis, Senior Parliamentary Officer

(Administration)

Mr J.E. Dyer, Senior Parliamentary Officer

(Parliamentary Relations)

Mr M.A. Goodall, Acting Principal Parliamentary Officer

(Information Systems)

Department of Parliamentary Reporting Staff

Mr J.W. Roberts, Principal Parliamentary Reporter

Mr J.M. Campbell, Assistant Principal Parliamentary

Reporter Mr M.J. Farrelley, Administrative Officer

Mr S. Blume, Information Systems Officer

Department of Parliamentary Library

Mr H. de S.C. MacLean, Parliamentary Librarian

Mr M.J. Brudenall, Deputy Parliamentary Librarian

Mrs D. Bennett, Acting Head, Legislative Research Service

Mr E. Dobson, Director, Systems and Co-ordination Unit

Mr H. Knight, Finance Officer

Mrs H. Murray, Assistant Finance Officer

Joint House Department

Mr J.M. Jorgensen, Secretary

Mr E.W. Howell, Security Controller

Mr F.W. Bradley, Director, House Management

Mr L.N. Kelly, Director, Management Services

Mr J.B. Holdforth, Acting Manager, Commonwealth

Parliament Refreshment Rooms

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Mr C.R. Crapp, Principal Technical Officer

Mr L.S. Carter, Acting Finance Manager

Department of Finance

Ms P .A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division

Mr P.B. Thomas, Chief Finance Officer, Transport

and Industry Division

Mr D.J. Evans, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division

The President made an introductory statement.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Division 101 - Department of the Senate

Division 102 - Advance to the President of the Senate

Division 105 - Department of the Parliamentary Reporting Staff

Division 106 - Department of the Parliamentary Library

Division 107 - Joint House Department

Division 108 - Joint Advance to the President and the Speaker

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed

expenditure for the Parliamentary Departments, subject to

undertakings by the President to provide additional information

to the Committee.

6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984 - 85 - DEPARTMENT

OF INDUSTRY AND COMMERCE

In attendance; Senator the Honourable John Button, Minister for

Industry and Commerce, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Industry and Commerce

Mr D.M. O'Connor, First Assistant Secretary, Management

Division

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Mr H. Bates, First Assistant Secretary, Inland

Revenue and Dumping Division

Mr K.O. Stilling, First Assistant Secretary,

Systems Division

Mr R.O. Hoppe, First Assistant Secretary,

Executive Division

Mr C. Vassarotti, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Compliance Division

Mr P. Murphy, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Commercial Division

Mr N. Scrivenor, Acting Principal Advisor,

Policy Division

Mr G. Murphy, Assistant Secretary, Automotive Branch

Mr A. Caddy, Assistant Secretary, Iron and Steel Branch

Industries Assistance Commission

Mr A.R. Lawson, First Assistant Commissioner,

Economic Services Division Mr A.J. Cahill, Assistant Commissioner, Services Branch

Department of Finance

Ms, P .A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division

Mr P.B. Thomas, Chief Finance Officer, Transport

and Industry Division

Mr D.J. Evans, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division

The Minister made an opening statement, and presented copies of

the introduction and statistical summary for the Department's 1983 - 84 annual report.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 400 - 410 Divisions 921 - 924

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed

expenditure for the Department of Industry and Commerce, subject

to undertakings by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

7. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984 - 85 -

DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT AND INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

In Attendance: The following officers were in attendance:

Department of Employment and Industrial Relations * &

Mr A.D. Fogarty, Deputy Secretary

Mr N.W.F. Fisher, Director, Bureau of Labour

Market Research

Ms M. Cane, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Management Policy & Development Division

Mr R. Marshman, First Assistant Secretary, Job Creation

& Youth Programs Division

Mr G. Rees, First Assistant Secretary, Employment

Policy & Training Division

Mr M. Ryan, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Industrial

Relations & Arbitration Inspectorate Division

Mr T. Hilsberg, General Manager, Planning & ADP Division

Mr P.L. Mason, Acting General Manager, Special Groups

Division

Mr R.T. Coffey, Assistant Secretary, Resources

Management Branch

Mr T. Gibson, Acting Manager, Aboriginal Employment

& Training Branch

Mr D. Gunzburg, Assistant Secretary, Working

Environment Branch

Mr A, Kaspura, Assistant Secretary, Community

Employment Program

Australian Conciliation and Arbitration Commission

Mr J.D. McMahon, Industrial Registrar Australian Trade Union Training Authority

Commissioner M.E. Heagney, National Director

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National Occupational Health & Safety Commission

Mr J. Brassil, Secretary

Department of Finance

Ms P.A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division

Mr D.J. Evans, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 287 - 290

Divisions 860 - 861

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed

expenditure for the Department of Employment and Industrial

Relations, subject to undertakings by officers to provide

additional information to the Committee.

8. EXPLANATORY NOTES - CORRIGENDA: During the course of the

hearings corrigenda pages for Explanatory Notes were presented

for the following departments:

Parliamentary Library (pages 45 & 46)

Industry and Commerce (page 13)

Employment and Industrial Relations (pages 11 & 28)

9. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9,39 p.m.

10. ATTENDANCE: Senators Robert Ray (Chairman), Coleman, Hill,

Lewis and Peter Rae. Apology received from Senator Cook.

CONFIRMED:

Robert Ray

Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 13

TUESDAY, 4 SEPTEMBER 1984

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 5.00 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Robert Ray) took the Chair.

2. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: The Chairman reported receipt

of additional information, dated 9 July 1984, from the

Australian Broadcasting Commission, in response to questions

raised by Senator Peter Rae at the Committee's hearings on

30 May 1984. The material was incorporated in Hansard.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984 - 85 -

DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNICATIONS

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable John Button, Minister

for Industry and Commerce, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Communications

Mr E.E. Payne, Deputy Secretary

Mr R.M. Ramsay, First Assistant Secretary, Radio Frequency Management Division

Mr J.D. Maclean, Assistant Secretary, Finance and Regulatory Branch, Space, Telecommunications

and Postal Policy Division

Mr R.N. Smith, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Broadcasting Division Mr D.R. Eyles, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Communications Development Division

Mr J.P. Coleman, Assistant Secretary, Policy Analysis

and Co-ordination Branch, Corporate Policy

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Mr A.T. Garner, Assistant Secretary, Station

Establishment and Operations Branch, Corporate

Policy and Projects Division

Mr B.W. Johnman, Acting Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch, Corporate Policy and Projects

Division

Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Mr G. Whitehead, Managing Director

Mr A. N. Le Gallant, Director of Finance and EDP

Mr A.R. Coulter, Corporate Controller, Finance

Mr J. Newsom, Controller, Radio Distribution

and Services

Mr A. Bateman, Federal Director of Television

Transmissions

Mr C. Wilhelm, Assistant Controller Engineering

(Capital Works and Development)

Australian Broadcasting Tribunal

Mr B.J. Connolly, Secretary

Mr M. Payton, Finance Officer

Special Broadcasting Service

Mr R. Stokes, Acting First Assistant Executive

Director, Corporate Affairs

Mr K. Nazaroff, Head of Administration

Mr D. Forsyth, Director Finance

Department of Finance

Ms P.A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division Mr D.J. Evans, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division

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The Minister made an opening statement.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 220 - 224

Divisions 841 - 843

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed

expenditure for the Department of Communications, subject

to undertakings by the Minister to provide additional information

to the Committee.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984 - 85 - DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable John Button, Minister

for Industry and Commerce, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet

Mr A.D. Rose, Deputy Secretary

Mr F.C. Murray, First Assistant Secretary,

Operations Division

Mr J.G. Hinton, Assistant Secretary, Services Branch

Mr A.J. Mann, Senior Adviser, Services Branch

Dr A.F. Summers, First Assistant Secretary,

Office of the Status of Women

Economic Planning Advisory Council

Mr G.L. Miller, Director

Mr R. Hadler, Executive Secretary

Mr B. Williams, Senior Adviser

Office of National Assessments

Dr D. Robertson, Deputy Director-General

Mr N.D. Denning, Chief Executive Officer

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Commonwealth. Ombudsman

Mr. R. Goldstein, Director, Policy

Mr. B. Hugg, Executive Officer

Australian Science and Technology Council

Mr I.R. Shortt, Assistant Secretary

Auditor-General's Office

Mr D.J. Hill, Deputy Auditor-General

Mr P.D. Mazey, Assistant Auditor-General

Mr R. Kowacz, Acting Director, Management

Mr A. Solomon, Acting Executive Officer, Finance

Public Service Board

Ms A. Buttsworth, Acting Secretary

Mr B.G. McCallum, Assistant Commissioner, Staff

Development Branch Mr K.S. Stokes, Assistant Director, Resource Management

Department of Finance

Ms P .A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division

Mr D.J. Evans, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 500 - 516

Divisions 937 - 941

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed

expenditure for the Department of the Prime Minister and

Cabinet, subject to undertakings by the Minister to provide

additional information to the Committee.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.44 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Robert Ray (Chairman), Coleman,

Cook, Hill, Lewis and Peter Rae. Senators Harradine, Kilgariff,

MacGibbon and Reynolds also attended.

CONFIRMED:

Robert Ray

Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 14

MONDAY, 8 OCTOBER 1984

MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 6.30 pm in Senate Committee Room No. 5. The Chairman (Senator Robert Ray) took the Chair.

CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: The Minutes of meetings held on 3 September 1984 and 4 September 1984 were confirmed.

REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered the Chairman's draft Report to the Senate.

Resolved: That the draft Report, as amended, be agreed to.

ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.45 pm.

ATTENDANCE: Senators Robert Ray (Chairman), Coleman, Hill and Peter Rae. Apologies received from Senators Cook, and Lewis.

Certified Correct

Robert Ra^^7 Chairman

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8 October 1984

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee B has the honour to present its Report to

the Senate.

1. On 23 August 1984 the Senate referred to the Committee

the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the

Year ending on 30 June 1985, the Particulars of Certain Proposed

Expenditure in Respect of the Year ending on 30 June 1985 and

the Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance

for the year ended 30 June 1984, for the following departments:

Department of Social Security

Department of Immigration and Ethnic Affairs Department of Housing and Construction

Department of Health

2. The Committee has considered these Estimates and has

received explanations of them from the Minister for Social Security (Senator the Honourable Don Grimes) and officers of the

departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and

Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are

tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with

Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1984-85 and Appropriation Bill

(No. 2) 1984-85.

3. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the

following matter:

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Repetition Strain Injuries

In considering the Estimates of the four departments,

the Committee noted an unusually high incidence of tenosynovitis

and related medical conditions, commonly known as Repetitive

Strain Injury (RSI) in each department. This condition is most common among keyboard staff and in one Department RSI sufferers

amounted to 60% of total keyboard staff.

Although there is such a high incidence of RSI there

have been comparatively few claims for compensation. Most

departments appear to care for their staff by redeploying RSI

sufferers to other duties.

Some of the departments examined have developed their own methods for the management of RSI, in terms of both

prevention and care. Such methods include:

- the education of keyboard staff in recommended

practices such as taking regular work breaks and

preventative exercises;

- the development of more efficient job sharing schedules;

- conducting informative lectures and films; and

- the use of ergonomically designed furniture.

The effectiveness of these measures cannot be properly evaluated as no comprehensive statistics are available.

There also appears to be no co-ordinated programme for the management of RSI to cover all keyboard operators in the Public Service.

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The Committee is concerned at the apparent high

incidence of RSI in government departments and is of the view

that in the interests of occupational health and safety, a

comprehensive study of the problem should be undertaken with a

view to instituting co-ordinated programmes for the prevention

and management of RSI, and for the support of those workers suffering from such injuries.

4. The Committee records its appreciation of the

assistance given by the Minister for Social Security (Senator

the Hon. Don Grimes) and officers of the departments concerned.

Patricia J. Giles Chairperson

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1. MEETING:

The Committee met in private session at 1.00 p.m. in Senate Committee Room 3.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 AND EXPENDITURE

UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1983-84

Senator Giles reported the entry in Journals of the Senate

of 23 August 1984 referring to the Committee the Particulars

of Proposed Expenditure for 1984-85 and expenditure under

the Advance to the Minister for Finance for 1983-84 for the

following departments: Social Security, Health, Immigration

and Ethnic Affairs, and Housing and Construction.

3. MANNER OF EXAMINING THE ESTIMATES:

The Committee discussed matters relating to days and hours of hearings, the order in which departments would be called

and research to be undertaken prior to the hearings.

4. PUBLICATION OF WRITTEN REPLIES:

Senator Messner moved - That the Committee authorizes the publication of departmental written replies to Senators who

are not members of Estimates Committee B, prior to the

replies being tabled in the Senate.

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Question put and passed.

5. ADJOURNMENT:

The Committee adjourned at 1.15 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE:

The following members of the Committee were present:

Senator Giles (Chairperson) Senator Bjelke-Petersen

Senator Elstob

Senator Messner

Senator Walters

Patricia J. Giles Chairpersnn

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 10

MONDAY, 3 SEPTEMBER 1984

1. MEETING:

The Committee met at 4.04 p.m. in Senate Committee Rooms 1

and 2. Senator Giles, took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85:

Department of Housing and Construction.

In Attendance:

Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister for Social

Security, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Housing and Construction

Mr R.J. Egan, First Assistant Secretary (Housing Policy

Division)

Mr K.F. Culph, Acting Assistant Secretary (Finance)

Mr H.J. Milton, Acting Assistant Secretary (Works

Programming) Mr A.L. McIntosh, Business Manager - Snowy Mountains

Engineering Corporation

Mr K.J. Rodda, Deputy Secretary

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Department of Finance

Mr H. Campbell, Senior Finance Officer, Financial Management

and Accounting Policy Division

Mr J. Hammer, Chief Finance Officer, Social Security

Division.

Senator Giles called on the following Divisions for

consideration:

Divisions 352 to 356, 245, 246, 258 and 259 - Department of

Housing and Construction (Document A).

Divisions 896 to 899 and expenditure under the First Home

Owners Act 1983 - Department of Housing and Construction (Document B).

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars

of Proposed Expenditure 1984-85 for the Department of

Housing and Construction, and expenditure under the Advance

to the Minister for Finance, subject to an undertaking by

the Minister to provide additional information to the

Committee.

PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85:

Department of Immigration and Ethnic Affairs

In Attendance:

Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister for Social

Security, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Immigration and Ethnic Affairs

Mr W.A. McKinnon, Secretary

Mr I. McNeil, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Management

Division

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Ms S. Ingram, Assistant Secretary, Settlement Branch Mr A. Conheady, Chief Administrative Officer, Australian

Institute of Multicultural Affairs

Mr P. Judd, Assistant Secretary, Entry Regulation Branch

Mr D. Gastello, Acting Assistant Secretary, Education Branch

Mr J. Wood, Acting Assistant Secretary, Personnel Management Branch

Mr P. Hardie, Acting Assistant Secretary, Migrant Centres

Branch

Mr T. Griffiths, Assistant Secretary, Refugees and

International Branch

Mr N. Hitchcock, Acting Assistant Secretary, Immigration

Policy Branch Mr B. Strangio, Acting Assistant Secretay, Finance and

Services Branch Mr P. Sheldrake, Deputy Director, Australian Institute of

Multicultural Affairs

Department of Finance

Mr H. Campbell, Senior Finance Officer, Financial Management

and Accounting Policy Division

Senator Giles called on the following Divisions for

consideration:

Divisions 360 to 365 - Department of Immigration and Ethnic

Affairs, (Document A)

Divisions 902 to 904 - Department of Immigration and Ethnic

Affairs, (Document B)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars

of Proposed Expenditure 1984-85 and Expenditure under the

Advance to the Minister for Finance 1983-84 for the

Department of Immigration and Ethnic Affairs.

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4. ADJOURNMENT:

The Committee adjourned at 9.34 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE:

The following members of the Committee were present:

Senator Giles (Chairperson)

Senator Crowley

Senator Elstob

Senator Messner

Senator Walters

Senator Kilgariff also attended.

Patricia J. Giles Chairperson

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 11

TUESDAY, 4 SEPTEMBER 1984

The Committee met at 4.59 p.m. in Senate Committee Rooms 1

and 2. Senator Giles, took the Chair.

PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - DEPARTMENT OF

SOCIAL SECURITY

In Attendance:

Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister for Social

Security, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Social Security

Mr J.T. O'Connor, Deputy Director-General

Mr B.A. Wraith, Acting Deputy Director-General Mr V.R. Rogers, Acting Head, Social Welfare Policy

Secretariat Mr D. Corrigan, Commissioner for Employees Compensation Mr P.J. Johnstone, First Assistant Director-General,

Subsidies

Mr J.M. Mahoney, First Assistant Director-General, Resource

Management

Mr S.F. Skehill, First Assistant Director-General,

Legislation and Review Mr A.C. Kingdon, Acting Director, Office of Child Care

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Mr G. Pilger, Acting First Assistant Director-General,

Rehabilitation

Mr R.C. Poole, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Systems

Mr D.I. Stanton, Acting First Assistant Director-General,

Development Mr T.C. Murphy, Acting First Assistant Director-General,

Benefits Delivery

Mr A.R. Begbie, Senior Assistant Director-General,

Performance Monitoring

Mr J.P. MacMahon, Senior Assistant Director-General, Assets

Test Policy

Mr C. Calvert, Assistant Director-General, Finance

Mr J. Humphreys, Assistant Director-General, Income security

Systems

Ms R. Lynch, Acting Assistant Director-General, Secretariat

Ms C. Ockenfels, Acting Assistant Director-General, Manpower

Mr M. Whitelaw, Acting Assistant Director-General, Assets

Test System

Department of Finance

Mr M.J. Danaher, Senior Finance Officer

Senator Giles called on the following Divisions for

consideration:

Divisions 560 to 562 - Department of Social Security

(Document A)

Divisions 948 to 950 - Department of Social Security

(Document B)

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1984-85 and Expenditure under the

Advance to the Minister for Finance 1983-84 for the

Department of Social Security, subject to an undertaking by

the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

In Attendance:

Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister for Social

Security, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Health

Mrs A.L. Kern, Deputy Director-General

Mr J.S. McCauley, First Assistant Director-General,

Surveillance and Investigation Division

Dr W.A. Langsford, First Assistant Director-General, Public

Health Division Mr L.W. Lane, First Assistant Director-General, Quarantine

Division

Dr R.W. Gumming, First Assistant Director-General, National

Health and Medical Research Council Division

Mr H.D. Kelaher, First Assistant Director-General, Insurance

and Hospitals Division Dr L.R.H. Drew, Acting First Assistant Director-General,

Medical Services Division Dr J.w. Donovan, Acting First Assistant Director-General,

Medical Benefits Division Mr R.W. Taylor, Acting First Assistant Director-General,

Policy and Planning Division Mr I.R. Wingett, Acting First Assistant Director-General,

Nursing Home and Long Term Care Division

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Mr J.B. Kelly, Acting First Assistant Director-General,

Management Services Division

Mr R.E.M. Wilson, Assistant Director-General, Therapeutics

Goods Branch

Mr W.T. Taylor, Assistant Director-General, Investigations

Branch

Mr W.G. Turk, Assistant Director-General, Internal Audit

Branch

Mr A.R. Whitfield, Acting Assistant Director-General,

Finance Branch

Mr S.K. Lees, Acting Director, Finance Section

Capital Territory Health Commission

Mr R.A. Foskett, Secretary

Mr J. Reynolds, Acting Assistant Commissioner, Finance and

Services

Health Insurance Commission

Mr T. Karp, Acting Assistant General Manager, Finance

Department of Finance

Mr M. Danah.er, Senior Finance Officer

Senator Giles called on the following Divisions for

consideration:

Divisions 325 to 329 - Department of Health (Document A)

Division 881, 882, 883 - Department of Health (Document B)

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1984-85 and expenditure under the

Advance to the Minister for Finance 1983-84 for the

Department of Health, subject to an undertaking by the

Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

8. ADJOURNMENT:

The Committee adjourned at 10.58 p.m.

9. ATTENDANCE:

The following members of the Committee were present:

Senator Giles (Chairperson) Senator Bjelke-Peter sen

Senator Crowley

Senator Elstob

Senator Messner

Senator Walters Senators Baume, Kilgariff and Robertson also attended.

Confirmed

Patricia J. Giles

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Estimates Committee C has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

1. On 23 August 1984 the Senate referred to the Committee the Estimates of Expenditure for the Year ending on 30 June 1985 relating to the following:

Department of Resources and Energy Department of Trade Department of the Treasury Department of Primary Industry Department of Finance Advance to the Minister for Finance

Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Year ended on 30 June 19 84 was also referred to the

Committee for examination.

2. The Committee has considered the Estimates of Expenditure and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance and received explanations of them from the Minister for Resources and Energy and officers of the departments concerned.

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard report of evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1984-85 and Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1984-85. Further written

explanations furnished by departments will be presented separately and printed in the Hansard record.

3. The Committee expresses its appreciation for the assistance given by the Minister and the officers.

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1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.34 p.m. The Secretary informed the Committee that the Chairman (Senator Primmer) had appointed Senator Childs as Deputy Chairman pursuant to Standing Order 36A B (7). The Acting Chairman took the Chair.

2. STATEMENT BY ACTING CHAIRMAN: The Acting Chairman reported the Resolution of the Senate of 23 August 1984, and made statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the Estimates.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1983-84 - DEPARTMENT OF RESOURCES AND ENERGY.

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Peter Walsh, Minister for Resources and Energy, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Resources

Mr P. Ryan

Mr G.C. Gorrie

Mr A. Manderson

Mr W.G. McGregor

Dr W.B. Rotsey

Mr J.C. Starkey

and Energy

Acting Deputy Secretary

Senior Assistant Secretary, Co-ordination and Management Division

First Assistant Secretary, Water and Development Devision

First Assistant Secretary, Uranium and Nuclear Division

First Assistant Secretary, Energy Research and Development Division

First Assistant Secretary, Petroleum Division

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Prof R.W.R. Rutland Director, Bureau of Mineral Resources

Mr R. Lay land Assistant Secretary,

Energy Conservation

Mr A. A. Gar ran Assistant Secretary, Test Site Management and Investigations

Mr C. Veenstra Director,

Division of National Mapping

Dr D.G. Walker Chief Executive Officer and Director, Research Establishment

Mr T.R. Baker Executive Member,

The Pipeline Authority

Deoartment of Finance

Mr D.K. Wallace Assistant Secretary, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

The Acting-Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions Divisions Divisions

520-525 (Document A)

942-944 (Document B)

522, 943-944 (Document D)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1984-85 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1983-34 for the Deparment of Resources and Energy, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1983-84 - DEPARTMENT OF TRADE.

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Peter Walsh, Minister for Resources and Energy (representing the Minister for Trade) , accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Trade

Mr J.L. Menadue Seer eta ry

Mr A.J. McGoldrick Acting Deputy Secretary

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Mr P.J. Flood First Assistant Secretary, Market Development Division I

Mr F.E. Anderson First Assistant Secretary, Market Development Division II

Mr J.T. Larkin First Assistant Secretary, Economic Policy and Research Division

Mr P. Connolly Acting First Assistant Secretary, Services Trade and Export Facilitation Division

Mr R.J. Hall Acting First Assistant Secretary, Agriculture and Multilateral Policy Division

Mr E.W. Exell Acting First Assistant Secretary, Management Division

Mr K.W. Wilkinson Acting First Assistant Secretary, Manufactures Trade Division

Mr R.H. Vine Acting Principal Adviser,

Minerals and Energy Export Division

Ms M. Bennett Acting Director,

Trade Commissioner Service

Dr E. C. Dr uce Acting Assistant Secretary, Information Systems and Review Branch Management Division

Mr R.J. Thomas Assistant Secretary, Uranium Branch Minerals and Energy Exports Division

Mr P. Flanagan Acting Assistant Secretary, Export Promotion and Publicity Brand Manufactures Trade Division

Mr N.P. Davis Acting Executive Member, Export Development Grants Board

Mr W.J. Kaye Export Development Grants Board

Mr A. Hi si op General Manager,

Export Finance and Insurance Corporation

Mr K. Haz el ton Acting Director,

Resource Management and Establishmen Review Section Management Division

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Department of Finance

Mr D.K. Wallace Assistant Seer eta ry, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 640-644 (Document A)

Division 96 4 (Document B)

Division 640 (Document D)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1984-85 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-84 for the Department of Trade, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1983-84 - DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY.

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Peter Walsh, Minister for Resources and Energy (representing the Treasurer) , accompanied by the following officers:

Department of the Treasury

Mr C. R. Rye

Mr V. Konovalov

Mr R.Q. Freney

Mr K.R. Page

Mr E.F. Delofski

Mr S.J. Curley

Mr B.N. McLennan

Deputy Secretary

Assistant Secretary, Foreign Investment Division

Assistant Secretary, Revenue, Loans and Investment Division

Acting Assistant Secretary, Revenue, Loans and Investment Division

Acting Assistant Secretary, General, Financial and Economic Policy Division

Assistant Commissioner, Office of the Insurance Commissioner

Superintendent, Royal Australian Mint

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Mr A. Rowe Assistant Secretary,

Management Branch

Mr P.H. Suthern Acting Director, Finance and Services Section, Management Branch

Mr J.E. Grenfell Assistant Director, Personnel and Establishments Section, Management Branch

Mr J.B. Peirson Director,

Security and Parliamentary Section, Management Branch

Mr C.V. Kennedy Chief Executive Officer, Prices Surveillance Authority

Australian Bureau of Statistics

Mr P.G. Howell Acting First Assistant Statistician, Coordination and Management Division

Mr C.J. Dent Acting Assistant Statistician, Management Services Branch

Mr J . Cornish Assistant Statistician, Population Census and Demography Branch

Mr B.H. Crook Assistant Statistician,

Operations and Software Branch

Mr G . Reedman Director,

Social Surveys and Indicators Section

Ms M.C. Jones Acting Director,

Finance and General Services Section

Ms P. Guy Acting Senior Inspector,

Finance and Accounts Subsection

Australian Taxation Off:.ce

Mr D. J. Cortese Assistant Commissioner, Resources Branch

Mr G. Biesse Assistant Commissioner,

ADP Branch

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Mr J.J. Crotty Assistant Commissioner, Policy and Legislation Branch

Mr V.T. Mitchell Assistant Commissioner, Internal Audi t

Mr J. Wheeler Executive Office r,

Resources Branch

Mr D.W. Holmesby Inspector Finance, Resources Branch

Deoartment of Finance

Mr D.K. Wallace Assistant Seer eta ry, Financial Mana gement and Accounting Policy Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 670-678 (Document A)

Divisions 976-982 (Document B)

Divisions 671, 977 (Document D)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1984-85 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1983-84 for the Department of the Treasury, subject to a undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.05 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: Senators Sir John Carrick, Childs, Dame Margaret Guifoyle, Maguire and Primmer. Apologies received from Senator Boswell. Senator Jessop also attended.

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TUESDAY 4 SEPTEMBER 1984

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 5 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Primmer) took the Chair.

2. INCORPORATION IN HANSARD: The Chairman reported that he had received a letter from Senator Jessop seeking incorporation of written questions to the Australian Bureau of Statistics in the Committee's Hansard. The Committee agreed to this request.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1983-84 - DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRY.

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Peter Walsh, Minister for Resources and Energy (representing the Minister for Primary Industry), accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Primary Industry

Mr

Mr

Mr

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D. D. R

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P. C.

Gee Acting Deputy Secretary

Smith Acting First Assistant Secretary, Operations Division

. Pearson Assistant Secretary, Financial Management Branch

Jenkins Assistant Secretary, Meat Branch

Gray Assistant Secretary, Marketing and Stabilisation Branch

Pettit Assistant Secretary, Production and Intensive Livestock Branch Mr G . E .

Mr R. R. Alder son Assistant Secretary, Vines, Fruits and Vegetables Branch

Mr T. Mackey Assistant Secretary, Wheat and Coarse Grains Branch

Mr B.V. Lilburn Acting First Assistant Secretary, Fisheries Division

Mr P. Core First Assistant Secretary, Development and Co-ordination Division

Mr J. Auty Acting Director,

Bureau of Animal Health

Mr J . Digby Assistant Director,

Bureau of Animal Health;

Mr G. Murray Acting Director, Export Inspection Service

Mr J. Landos Assistant Director, Export Inspection Service

Mr J . Merton Assistant Director, Export Inspection Service

Dr A.B. Stoeckel Director, Bureau of Agricultural Economics

Department of Finance

Mr D.K. Wallace Assistant Secretary, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions Divisions Division

490-497 (Document A) 930-933 (Document B) 490 (Document D)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1984-85 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1983-84 for the Department of Primary Industry, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee. 4

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1983-84 -DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE.

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In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Peter Walsh, Minister for Resources and Energy (representing the Minister for Finance) accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Finance

Mr G .M. Wauchop Acting Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch

Mr A. L. Ray Acting Director,

Finance and General Services

Mr D. McNamara Senior Finance Officer, Health and General Branch

Mr M. May oh Chief Finance Officer,

Transport and Industry Division

Mr B . Tierney Acting Director Operations, ADP Branch

Mr G . Coulston Acting Chief Finance Officer, Regional Office Administration

Dr J . Tamblyn Assistant Secretary,

Manufacturing, Mining and Energy 3 ranch

Mr R. Martin Acting Assistant Secretary,

Rural and Commerce Branch

Mr B. Gemmel1 Chief Finance Officer,

Special Projects

Mr J . Galbraith Assistant Director Operations, ADP Branch

Mr D.K. Wal1 ace Assistant Secretary, Financial Management and Accounting Pol icy Division

Ms D. Bates Acting Director,

Personnel and Establishments

Mr T. Harris First Assistant Secretary,

General Expenditure Division

Mr M. Bernhardt Acting Senior Finance Officer, Works and Territories Branch

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Mr S. Somlyay Chief Finance Officer,

Defence Branch

Australian Government Retirement Benefits Office 5 6

Mr R.D. McKillop Acting Assistant Secretary Administration

Mr K.J. McCullagh Director, Services

Mr R.R. Jackson Finance Officer

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.40 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Childs, Dame Margaret Guilfoyle, Maguire and Primmer. Apologies received from Senator Sir John Garrick. Senator Archer also attended.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee D presents its report to the Senate.

1. On 23 August 1984, the Senate referred to the Committee the Estimates for the year 1984-85 relating to the following Departments:

Department of Education and Youth Affairs Department of Home Affairs and Environment Department of Sport, Recreation and Tourism Department of Science and Technology Department of Aboriginal Affairs

2. The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Education and Youth Affairs and officers of the Departments concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken

by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1984-85 and Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1984-85.

3. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following matter: The Department of Home Affairs and Environment submitted to the Committee changes to the Australia Council section of the explanatory notes on the day before the hearing with a written apology. Consequently the Committee had no time

to give the new documents adequate scrutiny. It is unsatisfactory for the Committee to receive a revised copy of Estimates documents on the day before it is due to sit. In future, the Department in particular and departments in general

should ensure that all information pertaining to the Estimates hearing is available at least one week before the date of the hearing.

4. The Committee expresses its appreciation of the assistance given by the Minister and the officers.

MAL COLSTON Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 9

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 8.37 am. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1984 - DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH AFFAIRS

In attendance: Senator the Hon. Susan Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Education and Youth Affairs

Mr A .G . Abrahart, Director, Office of Youth Affairs Mr R.N. Allen, Director, Office of ACT Further Education Dr A. Taloni, First Assistant Secretary, Management Division

Mr J.J. Wilson, Special Adviser, Policy and Resource Planning Division

Department of Finance

Mr J.W. Turner, Senior Finance Officer

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for re-consideration: Divisions 270-284 (Document A)

The Committee suspended its hearing of the Department of Education and Youth Affairs.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.55 am.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Baume, Coates, Colston, Martin, Teague and Zakharov. Senator Archer also attended.

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THURSDAY 31 MAY 1984

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 9.55 am in Senate Committee Room No.6. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the chair.

2. NEXT MEETING: The Committee agreed to meet again. It discussed possible meeting times. Resolved:- That the Committee seek leave from the Senate, to sit while the Senate is in session.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.00 am.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Baume, Coates, Colston, Martin, Teague and Zakharov.

MAL COLSTON Chairman

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NO. 11

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 12.47 pm. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1984 - DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH AFFAIRS

The Committee continued and concluded its re-consideration of the proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Education and Youth Affairs, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.20 pm.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Baume, Colston, Martin, Teague amd Zakharov. Apologies received from Senator Coates.

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1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 1.23 pm in Senate Committee Room No.6. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the chair.

2. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered the drafting and tabling of the Committee's report to the Senate. The Committee agreed to wait for the Hansards to become available and meet again at 6.30 pm.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.40 pm.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Baume, Coates, Colston, Martin, Teague and Zakharov.

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NO. 13

THURSDAY 31 MAY 1984

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 6.35 pm in Senate Committee Room No.6. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the chair.

2. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee discussed the Committee's report. Senator Coates put the following motion to the Committee:

'That the report include the following:-On the basis of the evidence in the original hearing, the Committee does not accept certain statements in the minority report about Senator Ryan

and Dr. Taloni,

" ... we have concluded that the Minister and Dr. Taloni consciously withheld information when answering questions on the involvement of the Department in a survey being undertaken by

the Government."

"This is the first recorded instance of an Estimates Committee having been given what appears to be calculated, incorrect

information."

The further hearings served only to confirm this assessment.'

After discussion in which all members participated the question that the Committee agree to the motion was put. The motion was accepted.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.52 pm.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Coates, Colston, Martin, Teague and Zakharov. Apologies received from Senator Baume.

and

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No. 14

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 2.00 pm in

Senate Committee Room No. 6. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the chair.

2. MINUTES: On the motion of Senator Baume the Minutes of the

Committee of the meetings Nos. 25, 26, 27, 28 and 29 held on 31 May 1984 were confirmed.

3. QUESTIONS: It was resolved by the Committee: That the

Chairman be authorised to release written answers to questions

provided subsequent to meetings of the Committee.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 2.07 pm.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Baume, Colston, Martin, Tate, Teague and

Zakharov.

MAL COLSTON

Chairman

THE SENATE

THURSDAY 13 SEPTEMBER 1984

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NO. 15

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.17 pm. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the Chair.

2. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman reported the Resolutions of the Senate of 22 April 1984 and 23 August 1984, and made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the estimates.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1985 - DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH AFFAIRS

In attendance: Senator the Hon. Susan Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Education and Youth Affairs

Dr A. Taloni, Acting Deputy Secretary Mr R.N. Allen, Director, Office of ACT Further Education Mr J.J. Wilson, Special Adviser, Policy and Resource Planning Division

Mr P. Bowler, First Assistant Secretary, Programs and Development No. 1 Division Mr A. Abrahart, First Assistant Secretary, Office of Youth Affairs Mr P. Hughes, Chairman, National Aboriginal Education

Committee Mr P.C. Maher, Assistant Secretary, Departmental Services Branch Miss J. Miller, Assistant Secretary, International Education

Branch Mr J . Parr, Assistant Secretary, Aboriginal Education Branch Mr E.S. Rolfe, Assistant Secretary, Research and Statistics Branch

Mr J . Burnett, Assistant Secretary, Transition Education Branch Mr P. Kearns, Assistant Secretary, Territorial Policy and Co-ordination Branch Mr G.D. Fowler, Director, Language Education Branch

Mr R. Moss, Director, Aboriginal Education Branch Mr G. Franklin, Director, Student Assistance Programs Branch Mr W. Bowron, Assistant Secretary, Parliamentary and Liaison Branch

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Mr R. Harvey, Acting Assistant Secretary, Organisation Development Branch Commonwealth Schools Commission: Mr I. Hossack, First Assistant Commissioner, Operation and

Resources Division Dr J . McMorrow, Acting First Assistant Commissioner, General Recurrent Resources Division Mr B. Peck, Acting Assistant Commissioner Mr B. Thomas, Chief Executive Officer, Finance and

Administration Section Commonwealth Tertiary Education Commission: Mr R.H. Grahame, Assistant Commissioner, Executive Branch Mr R.F. Smith, Assistant Commissioner, Finance, Statistics

and Management Branch Mr C. Burgess, Director, Universities Branch Mr T.J. Mullarvey, Director, Finance Ms F. Hinton, Educational Equity Section Mr M. Boesen, Policy and Analysis Section, TAFE Branch ACT Schools Authority:

R. McNamara, First Assistant Commissioner, Schools Authority Dr B. Price, Senior Director, Resources Ms T. Reilly, Principal Executive Officer, Finance and Computing

Mr G. McIntosh, Senior Finance Officer Australian National University: Professor A. Barton, Treasurer Mr P. Grimshaw, Acting Head, Finance and Accounts

Mr J. Brayshaw, Budget Officer Canberra College of Advanced Education: Mr G. Eadie, Secretary Mr w. Dwyer, Bursar Australian Maritime College:

Mr N. Thomas, Bursar Department of Finance -Mr P. Starkey, Senior Finance Officer

The Minister made a brief statement. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 270-284 (Document A) Divisions 848-855 (Document B)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Education and Youth Affairs, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1985 - DEPARTMENT OF HOME AFFAIRS AND ENVIRONMENT

In attendance: Senator the Hon. Susan Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs accompanied by the following officers:

Mr P. Galvin, Secretary Mr B.E.W. Kelson, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Culture and Heritage Division Mr B . Smith, Assistant Secretary, Cultural Affairs Branch Mr G.R. Mills, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

International Expositions Division Mr E. Anderson, Assistant Secretary, Environment Assessment Branch, Environment Policy Division Mr D. Gascoine, Acting First Assistant Secretary,

Environment Contaminants Division Dr. P. Bridgewater, Director, Bureau of Flora and Fauna Mr G. Gilmour, Acting Assistant Secretary, Co-ordination and Management Services Branch

Mr B. Zanetti, Director, Finance and Services, Co-ordination and Management Services Branch Mr D. Maddern, Acting Assistant Secretary, Bicentennial and Special Events Branch National Film and Sound Archive:

Mr R. Edmondson, Acting Interim Director Mr N. Grimmond, Acting Assistant Director, Business Management Australian Archives: Mr B. Cox, Director-General Australian War Memorial:

Mr D. McKernan, Acting Director Australia Council: Dr D. Yerbury, General Manager

Mr J . Kitney, Director, Management Services Mr R. Taylor, Director, Financial Services Dr R. Letts, Director, Music Board Australian Bicentennial Authority:

Mr R.B. Maher, Deputy General Manager, Operations and Planning Mr W. Fairbanks, Deputy General Manager, Finance and Administrative Australian Film and Television School:

Mr A.S. Walton, Director Mr F. Morgan, Deputy Director Australian Film Commission: Mr K. Williams, Chief Executive

Mr B. Gittings, General Manager, Corporate Services Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority: Dr A. Gilmour, Executive Officer

Mr I. Burston, Assistant Executive Officer, Administration National Library of Australia: Mr H. Bryan, Director-General Mr R. Laing, Director, Management Services

Mr D. Thompson, Director, Co-ordination and Management Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service: Mr M. Hill, Assistant Director Mr J. Crennan, Principal Executive Officer

Australian National Gallery: Mr G. Andrews, Administrator Mr M. Claasz, Financial Manager

Museum of Australia: Mr B. Palmer, Acting Director Mr A.J. Martin, Acting Assistant Director, Collections Management Australian Heritage Commission:

Mr C. Griffiths, Director Dr R. Bruce, Acting Assistant Director, Administration and Register Office of the Supervising Scientist:

Mr R.M. Fry, Supervising Scientist Ms D. Taylor, Head of Management Services Department of Finance -Mr P. Starke, Senior Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 330-349 (Document A) Divisions 888-892 (Document B) The Committee having concluded its consideration of Division 336 suspended its hearing of the Department of Home Affairs and

Environment.

5. ADJOURNMENT. The Committee adjourned at 10.33 pm.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Baume, Colston, Martin, Tate, Teague and Zakharov.

MAL COLSTON Chairman

THE SENATE

FRIDAY 14 SEPTEMBER 1984

1. MEETING. The Committee met at 10.06 am. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1985 - DEPARTMENT OF HOME AFFAIRS AND ENVIRONMENT

In attendance: Senator the Hon. Susan Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs.

Department of Home Affairs and Enviroment: Dr D. McMichael, Secretary Mr P. Galvin, Deputy Secretary Mr B. Smith, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Culture and

Heritage Division Mr E. Wigley, First Assistant Secretary, International Expositions Division Mr K. Thompson, First Assistant Secretary, Environment

Division Dr P. Bridgewater, Director, Bureau of Flora and Fauna Mr B. Palmer, Assistant Secretary, Co-ordination and Management Services Branch

Mr B. Zanetti, Acting Director Finance and Services, Co-ordination and Management Services Branch Mr B. Linehan, Acting Finance Officer, Co-ordination and Management Services Branch Australian Archives:

Mr C. Pitson, Assistant Director-General, Business Management Australian War Memorial: Air Vice-Marshall J.H. Flemming, Director

Mr M. Coley, Assistant Director, Resources Management Australia Council: Mr R. Taylor, Director, Financial Advisory Division Mr J. Kitney, Director, Management Services

Australian Bicentennial Authority: Dr D. Armstrong, General Manager Mr W. Fairbanks, Deputy General Manager

Australian Film and Television School: Mr F. Morgan, Deputy Director Australian Film Commission: Mr J. Skrzynski, General Manager

Mr B. Gittings, Secretary

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Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority: Mr G. Kelleheer, Chairman Mr D. Chippendale, Assistant Executive Officer - Administration National Library of Australia:

Mr B. Yates, Acting Director-General Mr R. Laing, Director, Management Services Mr D. Thorn, Assistant Director-General, References Division Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service: Mr M. Hill, Assistant Director Mr J. Crennan, Principal Executive Officer Australian National Gallery: Mr G. Andrews, Administrator Mr M. Claasz, Finance Manager Museum of Australia: Mr A. Martin, Acting Executive Secretary Australian Heritage Commission: Dr R. Bruce, Acting Assistant Director Office of the Supervising Scientist: Mr J. Whitehead, First Assistant Secretary, Policy and

Administration Mr R.C. Wells, Secretary, Alligator Rivers Region Research Institute Department of Finance -

Mr A.J. Chapman, Acting Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division

The Committee continued and concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Home Affairs and Environment subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1985 - DEPARTMENT OF SPORT, RECREATION AND TOURISM

In attendance: Senator the Hon. Susan Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Sport, Recreation and Tourism

Mr B . MacDonald, Secretary Mr G. Dempster, First Assistant Secretary, Sport and Recreation Division Mr K. Nielson, Assistant Secretary, Facilities and Projects

Branch, Tourism Division Mr K. Fairbrother, Assistant Secretary, Secretariat and Co-ordination Branch Mr A. Barden, Assistant Director, Finance and Accounting

Operations, Secretariat and Co-ordination Branch Australian Tourist Commission: Mr P. Harding, Acting General Manager

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Australian Institute of Sport: Mr P. Brettell, General Manager, Strategy and Planning Mr R. Hobson, Director, Administration and Financial Services Department of Finance -

Mr P. Stark, Senior Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 590-592 (Document A) Division 956-957 (Document B)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Sport, Recreation and Tourism, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1985 - DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY

In attendance: Senator the Hon. Susan Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Science and Technology

Mr G.W. Bullivant, Acting Assistant Secretary, Resources Management Branch Mr J.W. Zillman, Director, Bureau of Meteorology Mr P. Spehr, Assistant Director, Management, Bureau of

Meteorology Mr R. Wilson, Senior Assistant Commissioner, Business Management, Patent, Trade Marks and Designs Office Mr R. Cordy, Assistant Director Finance and General Services,

Patent, Trade Marks and Designs Office Mr R. McCullough, Secretary, Australian Institute of Marine Science Mr R. Mulligan, Acting Assistant Director, Resource

Management, Antarctic Division Mr P.C. Card, Acting Resource Control Manager, Antarctic Division Mr C.A. Webster, Assistant Secretary, Grants and Fellowships

Branch Nr G.F. Montgomery, Acting Assistant Secretary, Technology Commercialization Branch Mr A. Mikkonen, Director, Co-ordination and Administration

Section Ms K. Adams, Head of Management Services, National Standards Commission Mr J.N. Grant, Acting Director, Resource Planning Section

Mrs K.A. White, Acting Executive Officer, Budget Sub-section Mr C.J. Dahl, Acting Australian Government Analyst Mr I. Farrer, Assistant Secretary (Budget), Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation

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Department of Finance - Mr P. Stark, Senior Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division Mr L. Crossfield, Senior Finance Officer, Social Security

Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 540-554 (Document A) Division 945 (Document B)

The Committee having concluded its consideration of Division 542 suspended its hearing of the Department of Science and Technology.

5. ADJOURNMENT. The Committee adjourned at 4.00 pm.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Baume, Colston, Martin, Tate, Teague and Zakharov.

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THE SENATE

WEDNESDAY 26 SEPTEMBER 1984

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10.04 am. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1985 - DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY

In attendance: Senator the Hon. Susan Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Science and Technology Dr J.D. Bell, Acting Deputy Secretary Mr R. Moncur, Assistant Secretary, Resources Management Branch Mr J . Bleasel, Acting Director, Antarctic Division

Mr P.C. Card, Acting Resource Control Manager, Antarctic Division Dr J.W. Zillman, Director, Bureau of Meteorology Mr P. Spehr, Assistant Director, Management, Bureau of

Meteorology Mr C.H. Friemann, Acting Commissioner, Patent, Trade Marks and Designs Office Mr R. Wilson, Senior Assistant Commissioner, Business

Management, Patent, Trade Marks and Designs Office Mr H. Wray, Finance Officer, National Standards Commission Mr R. McCullough, Secretary, Australian Institute of Marine Science Mr C.A. Webster, Assistant Secretary, Grants and Fellowships

Branch Mr A. Mikkonen, Director, Co-ordination and Administration Section Mr K.H. Bryant, Special Projects Officer, Policy Information

and Assessment Branch Policy Division Dr C.J. Dahl, Principal Chemist, Analytical Services Mr G.W. Bullivant, Director, Resource Planning Section Mr J.N. Grant, Assistant Director, Resource Budgeting,

Budgeting Sub-section Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation: Dr N.K. Boardman, Member of the Executive Mr H.C. Crozier, Secretary (Finance and Administration)

Mr N.L. Sullivan, Deputy Executive Secretary Mr I.L. Farrar, Assistant Secretary (Budget) Mr I.L. Harvey, Chief Finance Officer

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Mr K.N. Redford, Chief Finance Officer Mr R.A. Riches, Senior Finance Officer Mr J.H. Payne, Chief Budget Officer Department of Finance -

Mr P. Stark, Senior Finance Officer, Finance Management and Accounting Policy Division

The Committee continued and concluded its consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Science and Technology subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1985 - DEPARTMENT OF ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS

In attendance: Senator the Hon. Susan Ryan, Minster for Education and Youth Affairs and Senator the Hon. Arthur Gietzelt, Minister for Veterans' Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Aboriginal Affairs Mr H. Jacka, Deputy Secretary Mr W. Gray, First Assistant Secretary, Heritage Mr D. O'Rourke, First Assistant Secretary, Program

Development Mr Brownbill, First Assistant Secretary, Communications and Special Services Mr A. Koukoulas, First Assistant Secretary, Management Mr G. Menham, Assistant Secretary, Special Projects Mr R. Beadman, Assistant Secretary, Heritage Administration Mr P. Hand, Assistant Secretary, Heritage Policy Mr C. Bourke, Assistant Secretary, Employment, Education and

Training Mr P. Mackenzie, Assistant Secretary, Health and Social Support Mr G. Bissaker, Assistant Secretary, Community Affairs and

Legal Aid Mr A. Jenkins, Assistant Secretary, Program Support Mr K. Martin, Assistant Secretary, Information Mr K. Wanganeen, Assistant Secretary, Management Mr R. Toohey, Assistant Secretary, Budget Mr M. Strokowsky, Acting Director, Budget Co-ordination Mr W .A. Hamilton, Director, Information and Public Relations

Section Mr C.J. Kay, Acting Director, Administration Division Aboriginal Development Commission: Mr W. Roller, Assistant Administrator, Operations

Mr P. McMahon, Assistant Administrator, Management Mr K. Turner, Director, Personnel Mr E. Crowley, Director, Housing Grants Mr C. Black, Director, Land and Enterprises Mr 0. Pidgeon, Assistant Director, Finance Aboriginal Hostels Limited:

Mr N. Perkins, General Manager

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Mr R. Clarke, Company Secretary Mr R. Thomas, Finance Manager Mrs P. Gilmour, Senior Audit Officer National Aboriginal Conference:

Mr N. Johnson, Acting Secretary-General Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies Mr T. Varga, Finance Officer

Department of Finance - Mr P. Stark, Senior Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division Mr J . Eldridge, Chief Finance Officer, Social Security

Division

The Committee having concluded its consideration of all Divisions except Division 123 suspended its hearing of the Department of Aboriginal Affairs.

4. ADJOURNMENT. The Committee adjourned at 4.26 pm.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Baume, Colston, Teague and Zakharov. Apologies received from Senators Martin and Tate.

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

NO. 34

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 6.14 pm. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1985 - DEPARTMENT OF ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS

In attendance: Senator the Hon. Susan Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, accompanied by the following officers: Department of Aboriginal Affairs

Mr G. Brownbill, First Assistant Secretary, Communications and Special Services Division Mr R. Toohey, Assistant Secretary, Budget Mr M. Strokowsky, Acting Director, Budget Co-ordination Mr G. Hansen, Acting Director, Secretariat Services Section Aboriginal Development Commission:

Mr R. winroe, Administrator Mr M. O'Brien, Assistant Administrator, Policy Mr W. Roller, Assistant Administrator, Operations Mr P. McMahon, Assistant Administrator, Management Mr K. Turner, Director, Personnel Mr 0. Pidgeon, Assistant Director, Finance Department of Finance

Mr P. Stark, Senior Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

The Committee continued and concluded its consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Aboriginal Affairs subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. ADJOURNMENT. The Committee adjourned at 9.35 pm.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Baume, Colston, Teague and Zakharov. Apologies received from Senators Martin and Tate.

MAL COLSTON Chairman

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NO. 35

1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 9.39 pm in Senate Committee Rooms 1 and 2. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the Chair.

2. MINUTES: On the motion of Senator Zakharov the Minutes of the Committee of the meetings Nos. 30, 31, 32 and 33 held on 13, 14 and 26 September 1984 were confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: On the suggestion of Senator Colston the Committee agreed to add a comment on the need for Departments to present their explanatory notes with adequate time to allow prior scrutiny by the Committee, with specific reference to the

Australia Council.

4. ADJOURNMENT. The Committee adjourned at 9.45 pm.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senators Baume, Colston, Teague and Zakharov. Apologies received from Senators Martin and Tate.

MAL COLSTON Chairman

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Estimates Committee E has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

1. On August 23 1984, the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1984-85 relating to the following Departments:

Department of the Attorney-General Department of Defence Department of Defence Support Department of Foreign Affairs Department of Special Minister of State

2. The Committee has considered the Estimates of Expenditure together with the departmental Explanatory Notes and has received explanations of them from the Attorney-General (Senator the Hon. G.J. Evans Q.C.) and officers of the departments concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and

Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are

tabled for the information of the Senate, in connection with its consideration of Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1984-85,

Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1984-85 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1983-84.

3. During the hearing of evidence, undertakings were given that additional written information would be made available to the Committee. Written replies to questions will (with the exception of any confidential information) be tabled for the

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information of the Senate, and incorporated in the final Hansard report of the Committee's hearings. Papers tabled during the public hearings are attached to this report.

4. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following matters arising from its consideration of the estimates.

Division of Responsibilities

5. Over the years, many Estimates Committees have

experienced difficulties in obtaining information in situations

where a department claims that certain matters are directly

administered by another department, despite there being an

appropriation item in the estimates of the department under examination.

6. One such example arose during the Committee's hearings on additional estimates in April 1984, when a number of questions were asked concerning the contracts let by the

Commonwealth for aerial coastal surveillance. The Australian Federal Police, responsible to the Special Minister of State, has responsibility for coastal surveillance, through its Coastal Protection Unit, and in April 1984 the Committee put questions on this matter to the Minister and departmental officials (see Senate Hansard, Estimate Committee E, 3 May 1984, pp. 252-56; 9 May 1984, pp. 355-59) .

7. Just before this year's round of budget hearings, the Committee was advised on 13 September 1984 by the Special Minister of State that as

'... the Department of Transport administers the flying contracts .... it would be more satisfactory if questions relating to contract civil flying for coastal surveillance purposes were asked of the

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Minister for Transport as officers of his department manage all aspects of the contracts.1

8. During its first day of budget hearings on 13 September 1984, the Committee expressed its determination to the Minister representing the Special Minister of State (the Attorney- General) , that questions relating to appropriation items for

coastal surveillance be put and answered in this Committee. The

Committee was gratified that officers of the Department of Transport, which is itself examined by Estimates Committee F,

were able to attend the hearings of the Department of the Special Minister of State. The Committee expresses its appreciation to the Attorney-General, the Special Minister of

State and the Minister for Transport.

9. Less fortunate, however, were other instances of divided responsibility. While the Committee accepts that departments often share administrative arrangements, it is disappointed to note how frequently officials place the onus of

final responsibility on departments other than their own. For instance, in relation to questions concerning delays in the

production of basic trainer aircraft, officials from the Department of Defence and Defence Support disagreed as to who

had prime responsibility and who therefore should respond to the Committee. This appeared to be a classic example of product designers and program managers 'passing the buck'. At least the Committee had the satisfaction of seeing the Minister (the Attorney-General) assume responsibility for the questions.

10. Another example arose in relation to questions about the program for the construction of court buildings. These questions were raised as general questions at the outset of the examination of the Attorney-General1s Department. It is true

that the estimates for the Department of Housing and Construction include provision for construction programs requested by other departments, including the Attorney-General1s

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Department. However, the Department of Housing and Construction acts in consultation with other departments, and questions naturally arise as to the budgetary process within the client o user department - for example, such questions as to the cost guidelines for buildings requested. The Committee simply draws this to the attention of the Senate as another example of divided responsibility.

Attorney-General's Department

11. The Committee again records its grave concern over security problems being experienced by the Judges and staff of

the Family Court. The Committee respects the request of the

Minister and officials not to examine publicly measures currently being undertaken to increase security. The Committee supports every effort to increase the security of all persons

involved with the Family Court, and appreciates the information on recent incidents which was given to the Committee. Also

appreciated is the Attorney-General's stated promise that if

'... any member of the Committee wants detailed briefing on this of a non-public kind we would be only too happy to supply it.'

12. Other Senators would presumably be free to contact the

Minister on this matter.

Defence Department

13. During examination of Division 234 (Equipment and Stores), questions arose in relation to a table produced at page 131 of the Department's Explanatory Notes. The Committee found

the table very useful as far as it went, and a major improvement on earlier documents. However, the Committee requested that future tables include an additional column showing the original

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project cost. The Committee would then have before it information on cost escalation for contracts. The Committee

thanks the Department for its undertaking to provide this additional information in future.

Department of Foreion Affairs - Australian Development Assistance Bureau

14. During the Committee's examination of the Australian

Development Assistance Bureau, questions were raised about the

percentage of aid money which is consumed by administrative costs either for Australian officers or consultants abroad, or

more generally for the Australian aid bureaucracy. Senator Primmer reported concerns expressed to him while touring Indochina as part of a parliamentary delegation that aid figures

would be more useful if the administrative component earned by Australians were separated from the sums of money received by the recipient country. While noting the difficulty of separating such figures, the officials promptly undertook to forward the

relevant financial breakdowns. On a related point, Senator

MacGibbon raised questions about the administrative costs of the overall aid budget. The officials admitted that each individual aid project included such information and undertook to provide similar information for the whole aid program. The Committee draws these issues to the attention of the Senate because of the

frequent interest in the percentage of the foreign aid budget

consumed by the aid bureaucracy.

15. A further related point concerns the relationship between the Explanatory Notes of the Department and those of the Australian Development Assistance Bureau. Division 318 covers

the Bureau. Sub-divisions 1 and 2 deal with salaries and administrative expenses respectively. The Department's Explanatory Notes cover sub-divisions 1 and 2, and the Bureau's

Explanatory Notes covers the other sub-divisions, which deal

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with actual aid projects, separate from the Bureau's administrative expenses. This division between the documents of the Department and the Bureau reflects the Department's responsibility for administrative matters and the Bureau's

relative autonomy in aid projects. The Committee asks the Department to consider what advantage, if any, would flow from a consolidation of all Explanatory Notes relevant to the Bureau.

16. Finally, the Committee expresses its appreciation of the assistance given by the Attorney-General and the officers of the departments and authorities who appeared before the

Committee.

K.W. Sibraa Chairman

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ATTACHMENTS

Documents tabled by Attorney-General:

Legal Assistance Statistics

Australian Institute of Criminology - Director's Terms and Conditions

Australian Law Reform Committee - Current References; Reports

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Professor. Harding University of Western Australia NEDLANDS W.A. 6009

Dear Richard,

I am writing to detail the terms and conditions to which you will be entitled following your appointment as Director of the Australian Institute of Criminology.

As you would be aware fjom your instrument of appointment the conditions applicable to the Director of the Institute basically are those that apply to officers in the First Division of the Australian Public Service.

I have attached a schedule of the terms and conditions to which you will be entitled as Director of the Institute. Of the various special conditions you requested, the only one not

fully met concerns your travel to and from Perth in 1984. It has not been possible to approve more than 12 return trips pr an average of one trip per month. I trust that this will be adequate if not wholly satisfactory.

With best wishes,

GARETH EVANS

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THE LAW REFORM COMMISSION CURRENT REFERENCES

at 12 September 1984

Reference Date Received Consultative Papers Expected date of Completion

Consumer Insolvency Stage II - Debt Recovery and Insolvency 10 Hay 1976 Discussion Paper No. 6. Debt

Recovery and Insolvency July 1978. Research Paper No. 1. Default Summons Survey 1982.

Access to the Courts (Standing to Sue and Class Actions) 1 February 1977 Discussion Paper No. 4. Access to the Courts - I Standing:

Public Interest Suits - November 1977 Working Paper No. 7. Access to Courts - I Standing: Public Interest Suits November 1977.

Discussion Paper No. 11. Access to Courts II Class Actions June 1979.

Aboriginal Customary Laws

9 February 1977 Discussion Paper No. 17. Aboriginal Customary Law Recognition November 1980. Discussion Paper No.18. Aboriginal Customary Law - Marriage, Children

and the Distribution of Property.

Late 1984

Report on Standing: Late 1984

Report on Class Actions: 1985

Late 1984.

Reference Date Received Consultative Papers Expected date of Completion

No. 2. The Recognition of Aboriginal Customary or Tribal Marriage: General Principles, 1982.

No. 3. The Recognition of Aboriginal Tribal Marriage: Areas for Functional Recognition 1982.

No. 4. Aboriginal Customary Law: Child Custody, Fostering and Adoption 1982.

No. 5. Aboriginal Customary Law: Traditional and Modern Distributions of Property, 1982.

No. 6A. Cases on Traditional Punishments and Sentencing.

No. 6. Aboriginal Customary Law and the Substantive Criminal Law, 1982.

No. 8. Aboriginal Customary Law: A General Regime of Recognition, 1982.

No. 9. Separate Institutions and Rules for the Aboriginal People: Pluralism and Reverse Discrimination, 1982.

No. 10. Separate Institutions and Rules for Indigenous Peoples - International Prescriptions and Proscriptions, 1982.

Nos.11 t 12. Aboriginal Customary Law and Community Justice Mechanisms.

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Reference Date Received Consultative Papers

No. 13. Aboriginal Customary Law: Problems of Evidence and Procedure, 1983.

No. 14. The Proof of Aboriginal Customary Law, 1983.

No.7A. (About to be published as combined paper) - Aboriginal Customary Law - Sentencing of Offenders and Taking Advice of Aboriginal Communities - Forms and Procedures.

No. 15. Aboriginal Customary Law: Hunting and Fishing.

Sentencing Stage II 11 August 1978

(but interim report ALRC 15 finished 25/1/80 and stage II consideration

held pending appointment 23/7/84 of member to be Commissioner in Charge.

Evidence 18 July 1979 Discussion Paper No. 16. Reform of

Evidence Law 1980 Issues Paper No. 3. Reform of Evidence Law. October 1980 Research Paper.

No. 1. Comparison of Evidence Legislation in Federal Courts and Courts of Territories, 1981.

Expected date of Completion

1987

Interim report late 1984.

Reference Date Received Consultative Papers Expected date of Completion

No. 2. Common Law of Evidence: Areas of Disagreement and Uncertainty, 1981.

No. 3. Hearsay Evidence Proposal, 1981.

No. 4. Secondary Evidence of Documents, 1981.

No. 5. Competence and compellability of Witnesses, 1981.

No. 6. Sworn and Unsworn Evidence, 1982.

No. 7. Relevance, 1982.

No. 8. Manner of Giving Evidence, 1982.

No. 9. Hearsay Law Reform - Which Approach? 1982.

No. 10. The Judge - Adducing Evidence and Judicial Notice, 1982.

No. 11. Character and Conduct 1982.

No. 12. Identification Evidence, 1982.

No. 13. Opinion Evidence, 1983.

No. 14. Aspects of Proof, 1983.

No. 15. Admissions

No. 16. Privilege

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Reference Date Received Consultative Papers Expected date of Completion

Admiralty Jurisdiction and 23 November 1982 Research Paper No.2i Admiralty 1985

Jurisdiction in Australia: The Court Exercising Original and Appellate Jurisdiction.

Foreign State Immunity 11 November 1982 Research Papers: Report with Printer

No. 1 - Select Bibiography and documents.

No. 2 - Procedural "Immunities and Submissions to Commission.

No. 3 - Basic Principles of Foreign State Immunity; and Assessment of the need for Australian Legislation.

No. 4 - The Content of Australian Legislation on Immunity from Jurisdiction.

No. 5 - Enforcement of Judgments against Foreign States.

Discussion Paper 19 - Foreign State Immunity.

Research Papers: 1985

No. 1 - Service and Execution of Process - Constitutional Aspects.

No. 2 - Service and Execution of Process - Commencing Process.

Service and Execution of 29 November 1982

Process

No.3 - Tribunals

Reference Date Received Consultative Papers Expected date of Completion

Contempt Law

Matrimonial Property

General Insolvency Reference

Community Law Reform (A.C.T.)

7 April 1983

16 June 1983

20 November 1983

No.4 - Enforcement of Judgments.

No.5 - Service of Other Process.

Issues Paper No.4 - Reform of Contempt Late 1985 Law.

Discussion Paper to be issued late 1984 Late 1985

1984

2. Fatal Accidents Legislation 1984

in A.C.T.

3. Loss of Consortium.

Domestic Violence in the A.C.T. 29 May 1984

Note; Proposals have been submitted to Attorney-General in relation to several separate small References.

1985

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LAW REFORM COMMISSION

REFERENCES ON WHICH THE COMMISSION HAS REPORTED

At 12 September 1984

Subject Date Report to Responsible Department

Referred Attorney

Present Position

REPORTS IMPLEMENTED

1. Complaints against 15.05.74 Police - No. 1 (ALRC 1)

2. Complaints against 01.01.77 Police - No. 2 (ALRC 9)

3. Alcohol, Drugs, Driving 22.01.76 (ALRC 4)

4. Human Tissue Transplants 15.07.76 (ALRC 7)

07.08.75

09.06.78

30.06.76

30.06.77

Special Minister of State ) Implemented by Complaints (Australian ) Federal Police) Act 1981. That Act ) and Regulations under it came into ) operation on 1 May 1982. Also ) implemented by Australian Federal Special Minister of State ) Police Amendment Act 1981 as to

) vicarious liability, and ) identification of police.

Territories and Local Government Implemented by Motor Traffic (Alcohol and Drugs) Ordinance 1977 A.C.T.

Health Implemented by Transplantation and

Anatomy Ordinance 1978 (A.C.T.) Legislation based on this report has been enacted in Queensland, Western Australia, Victoria, South Australia, the Northern Territory, and New South Wales.

Subject Date

Referred

Report to Attorney

Responsible Department Present Position

REPORTS PARTIALLY IMPLEMENTED

5. Privacy and the Census 09.04.76 26.09.79 Treasury

6. Sentencing - 11.08.78 25.01.80 Attorney-General's

(ALRC 15)

7. Insurance Agents and 09.09.76 28.07.80 Treasury

Brokers (ALRC 16)

8. Insurance Contracts 09.09.76 24.11.82 Treasury, Attorney-Generals (ALRC 20)

Implemented insofar as it applied to the census by the Census and Statistics Amendment Act 1981 which came into operation on 30 June

1981. Legislation to implement other recommendations in the Report (the Census and Statistics Act (No. 2) (1981) came into operation on 1 March 1983.

The Crimes Amendment Act 1982 gives Judges and Magistrates wider powers and greater flexibility when imposing sentence on federal and A.C.T. offenders. Arrangements

remain to be made between Commonwealth and States on non-custodial treatment of federal offenders. Consultations are being held with the States to resolve the matter.

The Insurance (Agents 1 Brokers) Act 1983 based on Law Reform Commission Report was enacted in June 1984, although some of its provisions are not yet proclaimed.

The Insurance Contracts Act 1984 substantially 1 implement the Commissions' report. The Act was asserted to in June 1984, but is not yet in operation pending making of regulations and to enable the States

to bring in complementary legislation.

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Subject Date

Referred

Report to Attorney

Responsible Department Present Position

REPORTS NOT IMPLEMENTED

9. Criminal Investigation 16.05.75 08.11.75 Attorney-General1s (ALRC 2)

10.Consumers in Debt. 10.05.76 04.11.76 Attorney-General's

Stage 1 - Insolvency; The Regular Payment of Debts (ALRC 6)

11.Unfair Publication: 23.06.76 29.12.78 Attorney-General's (Defamation) (ALRC 11)

Criminal Investigation Bill 1977 introduced into the Senate - lapsed in November 1977. Criminal Investigation Bill 1981 introduced

into Senate on 18 November 1981 - lapsed in March 1983. Attorney-General intends to convene a national conference to discuss the

issues. It is proposed to distribute an exposure draft Bill to the conference and introduce a revised Bill into Parliament in the Autumn Sitting 1985.

The Government announced on 3 June 1984 its intention to revise the ALRC's draft Bill and to expose the revision for public comment. The Office of Parliamentary Counsel has commenced drafting these revisions

plus ancilliary amendments to the Bankruptcy Act. Public exposure is now expected to be in early October 1984.

The recommendations in the report were raised in the Standing Committee of Attorneys-General in July 1979 when the Committee agreed

to examine the Commission's proposals with a view to achieving uniformity.

Subject Date

Referred

Report to Attorney

Responsible Department Present Position

12. Lands Acquisition 07.07.77 12.03.80 Administrative Services

and Compensation (ALRC 14)

A model Bill was considered by the Standing Committee on 1 September 1983. A draft Uniform National Defamation Bill was made public at a media Law Association Seminar on

27/11/83 and was widely criticized.

Following further discussions at the meetings of the Standing Committee on 16 December 1983 and 25 May 1984, a further draft model bill was prepared and circulated to

interested persons for discussion and comment. At the meeting of the Standing Committee on 30 August 1984 it was agrued that a decision on the future of the exercise should be further deferred pending further consideration of the latest draft model Bill.

The Government announced on 30 Sept 1983 that a new Lands Acquisition Bill would be introduced in the near future. The proposed bill will substantially implement the recommendations of the LRC. The Department of Administrative Services has given drafting

instructions to the Office of Parliamentary Counsel. A preliminary draft Bill has been prepared but substantial re-drafting will be required. The intention is

that the Bill, once introduced, lie on the table to allow for public comment.

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Present Position

The reviewing of relevant laws of the A.C.T. have been under consideration by a number of

Government Departments and authorities. The Department of Territories and Local Government has largely accepted the recommendations of the A.L.R.C. report and

preparation of the ordinance is now proceeding.

The report is under consideration by the Attorney-General's Department and by other interested Departments.

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 12

THURSDAY, 13 SEPTEMBER 1984

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 1.40 pm in the Senate Chamber. The Secretary called the meeting to order.

2. CHAIRMAN: The Secretary called for nominations. Senator Coates was nominated and declared Chairman.

3. MEMBERSHIP: The Chairman reported that Senator Primmer had replaced Senator Sibraa as a member of the Committee pursuant to the Resolution ot the Senate on 23 August 1984.

4. ORDER OF HEARINGS: It was agreed to proceed with examination of Departmental estimates in the following order: Department of Defence, Department of Defence Support, Attorney-General1s Department, Department of Foreign Affairs (including the Australian Development Assistance Bureau), Department of the

Special Minister of State.

5. PUBLICATION OF WRITTEN ANSWERS: It was moved and agreed that the Committee authorise the immediate publication of all written answers to questions, subject to the Secretary drawing to the attention of the Committee any answer which deserves closer

examination by the Committee.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.45 pm.

7. ATTENDANCE: Senators Coates, Reynolds and Primmer.

8. APOLOGIES: Senators Durack, Scott and MacGibbon

CONFIRMED:

K.W. SIBRAA Chairman

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MINUTES OP PROCEEDINGS NO. 13

THURSDAY, 13 SEPTEMBER 1984

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 1.55 pm. The Chairman (Senator Coates) took the Chair.

2. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman made an introductory statement. Pursuant to the Resolution of the Senate on 23 August 1984, the Committee would consider the following departmental estimates:

Document* Page Division No. Depa rtment

Amount $ 000s

A 14 165-191 Attorney-General1 s 242 880

B 11 818-821 Attorney-General1 s 4 573

A 76 575-583 Special Minister

of State 26 9 763

B 29 953-955 Special Minister

of State 9 546

A 39 315-319 Foreign Affairs 981 602

B 17 873-876 Foreign Affairs 103 282

A 23 230-252 Defence** 4 807 763

A 26 255-261 Defence Support*** 333 059

* Document A - 'Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Year Ending on 30 June 19851

* Document B - 1 Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in Respect of the Year Ending on 30 June 1985 '

* Excludes items under the control of the Departments of Housing and Construction and Administrative Services (Division 245, 246, 248, 250, 252)

* Excludes items under the control of the Departments of Housing and Construction and Administrative Services (Division 258, 259, 260, 261)

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ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1983-84

Page in Document D* Division No. Depa rtment

Amount $

5 17 8-180 Attorney-General1 s 46 654

12 577-580 Special Minister

of State 144 931

16 955 Special Minister

of State 91 355

8 315-318 Foreign Affairs 11 165 279

14 87 6 Foreign Affairs 430 001

6 233-234 Defence 102 300 640

7 255 Defence Support 2 269 250

* Document D - 'Advance to the Minister for Finance-Statement of Heads of Expenditure and the amounts charged thereto, pursuant to section 36A of the Audit Act 1901, for the year ended 30 June 19841

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE.

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Gareth Evans, Attorney-General representing the Minister for Defence accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Defence

Mr A.K. Wrigley, Deputy Secretary B

Mr G.P. Anderson, Assistant Secretary, Defence Facilities Policy Development

Mr C.D. Campbell, Acting Chief of Supply

Air vice Marshal B.H. Collings, Chief of Joint Operations and Plans

Mr R.W. Corey, Assistant Secretary, Resource Planning-Army

Commodore A.R. Cummins, Director General Naval Operations Requirements

Captain H.J. Donohue, Director Naval Plans

Mr R.K. Ellis, Assistant Director National Disaster Organisation Policy and Support

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Mr R.H. Englund, Acting Controller Organisation and Manpower Resources

Mr R.B. Finnegan, First Assistant Secretary, Industrial

Air Vice Marshal A.E. Heggen, Chief of Air Force Materiel

Mr P.A. Hemsley, Assistant Secretary, Science and Technology Administration

Mr W. Howitt, A/Deputy Chief Defence Scientist

Brigadier C.M. Kahn, Director General, Recruiting

Mr M. Kargas, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting

Mr D.M. McAlister, First Assistant Secretary, Programmes and Budgets

Mr L.A. McGee, Assistant Secretary, Quality Assurance and Engineering Resources

Mr J.E. McMahon, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning-Navy

Mr M.J. Murray, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning-Air Force

Mr J.S. O'Neill, Assistant Secretary, Budgets and Estimates (General and Co-ordination)

Mr J.A. Nockels, Senior Assistant Secretary International Policy

Air Commodore W.G.M. Richardson, Chief of Air Force Operations and Plans

Rear Admiral W.J. Rourke, Chief of Naval Materiel

Rear Admiral B. T. Treioar, Chairman, Services Health Policy Committee

Brigadier B. Wade, Director General, Operations and Plans-Army

Mr D.D. Wood, First Assistant Secretary, Defence Industrial and Materiel Policy

Department of Finance

Mr J . Anderson, Senior Finance Officer, Defence and Government Division

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Mr J . Airey, Senior Finance Officer, Defence and Government Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration.

Divisions 230 to 252 - (Document A) $5 171 217 000 Divisions 233 to 234 - (Document D) $102 300 6 40

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the Department of Defence, subject to undertakings by the Minister to provide additional inf ormation.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE SUPPORT

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Gareth Evans, Attorney-General, representing the Minister for Defence Support, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Defence Support

..r P. Kennedy, Deputy Secretary (Materiel and Resources)

Mr B. MacDonald, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Resources Division

Mr P.G. Gifford, Controller, Defence Aerospace Division

Mr L.M. Targ, Acting Principal Executive Officer, Defence Aerospace Division

Mr A.D. Powell, Controller, Munitions Division

Mr P.G. Terrill, Controller, Defence Shipbuilding Division

Mr A.P. Toohey, Acting Assistant Secretary, Shipbuilding Administration Branch

Mr M. Morrison, First Assistant Secretary, Defence Industry and Purchasing Division

Mr C. Barclay, Assistant Secretary, Industry Strategy Branch

Mr R.W. Howard, Assistant Secretary, Marketing Branch

Mr J. Cross, Assistant Secretary, Major Contracts Branch

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Ms S.J. Welsman, Assistant Secretary, Facilities and Working Environment Branch

Mr G . Tuisk, Director, Computing & Systems Branch

Mr D.I. Taylor, Assistant Secretary, Budgets, Accounting and Supply Branch

Mr J.W. Bollard, Director, Budgets and Estimates

Mr L.C.R. Thompson, Assistant Secretary, Personnel and Administration Branch

Department of Finance

Mr H. Campbell, Senior Finance Officer, Defence and Government Division

Mr J. Airey, Senior Finance Officer, Defence and Government Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 255 to 261 (Document A) - $397 592 000 Divisions 255 (Document D) - $2 269 250

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the Department of Defence Support, subject to undertakings by the Minister to provide additional information.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - ATTORNEY-GENERAL' S DEPARTMENT.

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Gareth Evans, Attorney-General, accompanied by the following officers:

Attorney-General1s Department

Mr L.G. Glare, Deputy Secretary

Mr H.T. Bennett, Deputy Secretary

Mr L.J. Curtis, Deputy Secretary

Mr T.A. Sherman, Deputy Secretary

Mr P.R. Loof, First Assistant Secretary, Justice and Administrative Law Division

Mr p. Ford, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Special Projects Division

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Mr J.L.M. Carnsew, First Assistant Secretary, Management Division

Mr D.J. Rose, First Assistant Secretary, Special Advisers Division

Mr J.H. Greenwell, First Assistant Secretary, Business Affairs Division

Mr R.C. Davey, First Assistant Secretary, Legal Services Co-ordination Division

Mr M.A. Cranswick, First Assistant Secretary, Community Affairs Division

Mr P.F. McDonald, First Assistant Secretary, Litigation Division

Mr P.E. Baskett, Assistant Secretary, Operations Branch

Mr C.C. Creswell, Senior Assistant Secretary, Financial Assistance Branch

Mr R.J. Morgan, Senior Assistant Secretary, Legal Services Co-ordination Division

Mr C.B. Fernando, Senior Assistant Secretary, Family Law Branch

Mr E.M. Haddrick, Senior Assistant Secretary, Human Rights Branch

Mr R.G. Moss, Senior Assistant Secretary, Legal Aid Branch

Mr P. Wenn, Inspector-General in Bankruptcy, Community Affairs Division

Mr R. Smeaton, Assistant Secretary, Management Improvement Branch

Mr M.G. Dwyer, Assistant Secretary, Special Services Branch

Mr T.N. Hemming, Assistant Secretary, ADP Branch

Mr P. Lowe, Convenor, Legal Aid Task Force

Mr A.T. Green, Chief Reporter, Commonwealth Reporting Service

Mr G.K. Kolts, First Parliamentary Counsel

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Mr P.D. Massie, Registrar Administrative Appeals Tribunal

Mr A.A. Hardiman, Acting Director, Legal Aid Commission (Australian Capital Territory)

Prof. R.w. Harding, Director, Australian Institute of Criminology

Mr D. Keane, Executive Officer, Institute of Family Studies

Mr J.F. Thomson, Secretary, Human Rights Commission

Mr B. Knox, Principal Registrar, Family Court of Australia

Mr J. Howard, Registrar, Federal Court of Australia

Mr G.C. Shannon, Clerk of Court, High Court of Australia

Mr R.J. Schoer, Executive Director, National Companies and Securities Commission

Mr H. Spier, First Assistant Commissioner, Trade Practices Commission

Mr R. Wyatt, Assistant Commissioner, Trade Practices Commission

Mr I.G. Cameron, Executive Officer, Office of the Special Prosecutor

Mr P. Clark, Senior Deputy Director, Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions

Mrs D. Higgins, Acting Assistant Director, Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions

Mr J.M. Hyndes, Registrar, Security Appeals Tribunal

Mr R. Venables, Director, Finance

».r R. Thomas, Acting Director Marriage and Grants Section

Mr J.J. Dickie, Director Information and Human Rights Commission

Mr P. Levy, Senior Assistant Secretary Companies and Securities Branch

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Department of Finance

Mr B. Gleeson, Chief Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

The Chairman called the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 165 to 191 - (Document A) - $242 880 000 Divisions 818 to 821 - (Document B) - $4 573 000 Divisions 178 to 180 - (Document D) - $46 654

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the Attorney-General's Department, subject to undertakings by the Minister to provide additional information.

6. NEXT MEETING: The Committee agreed to complete consideration of the Estimates of the Departments of Foreign Affairs and the Minister of State at a meeting set down for Tuesday, 2 October 1984.

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.47 pm.

8. ATTENDANCE:

Senator Coates (Chairman) and Senators Durack, Primmer, Reynolds, Scott and MacGibbon. Senators Reid and Tate also attended.

CONFIRMED:

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 14

TUESDAY, 2 OCTOBER 1984

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 6.10 p.m. in the Senate Chamber. The Secretary called the meeting to order.

2. MEMBERSHIP: The Secretary noted that Senator Sibraa had replaced Senator Coates as a member of the Committee pursuant to the Resolution of the Senate on 23 August 1984.

3. CHAIRMAN: The Secretary called for nominations. Senator Sibraa was nominated and declared Chairman.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.13 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senator Sibraa, Scott, Primmer and MacGibbon.

6. APOLOGIES: Senators Reynolds and Durack.

CONFIRMED:

,K.W. Sibraa Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 15

TUESDAY 2 OCTOBER 1984

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 6.14 p.m. Tne Chairman (Senator Sibraa) took the chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS:

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Gareth Evans, Attorney-General, representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Foreign Affairs:

Mr W.G.T. Miller, Acting Secretary

Mr M.G.D. Williams, First Assistant Secretary, Management & Foreign Service Division

Mr R.S. Laurie, First Assistant Secretary, Europe, Americas & North Asia Division

Mr J.H. Brook, First Assistant Secretary, Legal & Consular Division

Mr G.R. Bentley, Senior Assistant Secretary, Management & Foreign Services Division

Mr H.M. Loveday, Assistant Secretary, Information & Cultural Relations Branch

Mr J.L. Lavett, Assistant Secretary, General Economic Branch

Dr J.V. Chey, Assistant Secretary, Australia-China Council

Mr J.R. Lyndon, Assistant Secretary, Systems Development Branch

Mr G.R. Harber, Assistant Secretary, Security & Communications Branch

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Mr H.C. Mott, Assistant Secretary, International Organisations & Refugees Branch

Mr K.B. Scott, Acting Assistant Secretary, Administrative services Branch

Mr W. Paterson, Acting Assistant Secretary, Nuclear Policy Branch

Mr J.W. Sullivan, Acting Assistant Secretary, Disarmament/Arms Control Branch

Mr R.C. Smith, Acting Assistant Secretary, Personnel Services Branch

Mr C.H. Stuart, Acting Assistant Secretary, South East Asia Branch

Mr K.W. Aspinail, Acting Assistant Secretary, Operations Support Branch - ADAB

Mr N.R. Manton, Deputy Chief of Protocol, Protocol Section

Mr M. Fitzpatrick, Director Finance Section

Mr M.R. Ovington, Head, Defence Plans & Policy Section

Mr J.F. Lindsay, Head, U.N. Economic Agency Section

Mr M.P.F. Smith, Head, U.N. Legal Section

Mr S. Forster, Acting Head, New Zealand Section

Mr T.D. Wilson, Head, Commodities and Commercial Relations Section

Mr R.C.G. Martin, Head, Finance Section - ADAB

Mr R.J. Polack, Budget Officer, Finance Section

Australian Development Assistance Bureau:

Dr R. Dun, Director

Mr C.E.T. Terrell, Acting First Assistant secretary, Bilateral Programs Division

Mr J. Powell, Assistant Secretary, Special Projects

Mr K. Aspinail, Acting Assistant Secretary, Operations Support Branch

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Mr R. Casson, Assistant Secretary, Multilateral and Non-Government Programs Branch

Mr D. Campbell, Assistant Secretary, Pacific, Asia, Africa Programs Branch

Mr L. Watters, Acting Assistant Secretary, South East Asia Programs Branch

Mr A. Alwast, Acting Head, South East Asia Programs Section I

Mr R. Stensholt, Acting Assistant Secretary, Development Training Branch

Mr J. Westcott, Head, Program Control Unit Development Training Branch

Mr G. Lawless, Assistant Secretary, Policy Development & Co-ordination Branch

Mr A. MacDonald, Acting Head, Policy Development Section

Mr P. Hodge, Head, Food Aid Unit

Mr F. Wojtaszak, Acting Head, Strategic Planning Section

Mr J.V. Castrission, Acting Budgets Officer

Australian Centre for International Agriculatural Research:

Mr A. Blewitt, Centre Secretary

Mr A. Satrapa, Executive Officer

Department of Finance:

Ms P.A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

Mr A. Preston-Stanley, Chief Finance Officer, Education & Employment Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 315 to 319 - (Document A) $981 602 000 Divisions 873 to 876 - (Document B) $103 282 000 Divisions 315 to 318 - (Document D) $ 11 165 279 Division 876 - (Document D) $ 430 001

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Foreign Affairs, subject to undertakings by the Minister to provide additional information.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - DEPARTMENT OF THE SPECIAL MINISTER OF STATE:

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Gareth Evans, Attorney-General, representing the Special Minister of State; accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Special Minister of State:

Executive:

Mr J.R. Holdich, Deputy Secretary

Parliamentary and General Division:

Mr H. Logue, First Assistant Secretary

Miss P. Lance, MBE, Assistant Secretary, Parliamentary and Ministerial Services Branch

Mr J. Malone, Acting Senior Assistant Secretary, Information Co-ordination Branch

Mr P. O'Neill, Acting Assistant Secretary, Electoral, Grants and Authorities Branch

Mr H. Keen, Assistant Secretary, Awards and National Symbols Section

Public Order and ADP Division:

Mr G. Quigley, Acting First Assistant Secretary

Mr E.L. Knaus, Assistant Secretary, Systems Development Branch

Ms C. Bee, National Crime Branch

Protective Services Co-ordination Centre:

Brigadier J.A.S. Sheldrick, Head

Mr T. H. Mooney, C»E, Assistant Secretary, Counter Terrorism Branch

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Management Services Branch:

Mr J . Gavin, Assistant Secretary

Mr P. Hempel, Director, Finance and Services Section

Remuneration Tribunal:

Mr A.A. Shakespeare, Secretary

Commonwealth Grants Commission:

Mr A.A. Glasson, Secretary

National Police Research Unit:

Dr G. McGrath, Director

Mr D. Hailes, Executive Officer

Australian Bureau of Criminal Intelligence:

Mr V.A. Anderson, QPM, Director

Mr A. Luther, Executive Officer

Australian Electoral Commission:

Mr B. Friend, Assistant Commissioner, Resources Management Branch

Mr T. Helling, Assistant Commissioner, Operations Branch

Mr J. Mahoney, Assistant Commissioner, Information and Education Branch

Mr E. Klatt, Director, Finance and General Services Section

National Crime Authority:

Mr D. Lenihan

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Australian Federal Police:

Mr R. Farmer, QPM, Deputy Commissioner

Mr A.J. Watt, MVO, QPM, Assistant Commissioner, Protection Unit

Mr S.B. Gavin, Chief Executive Officer

Coastal

Department of Transport:

Mr C.H. Spurgeon, Assistant Director, Coast Watch Policy Section

Mr S. Allen, Acting Director, Supply and Services Section

Department of Finance:

« Ms P.A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Financial Management & Accounting Policy Division

The Cnairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 575 to 583 - (Document A) $269 763 000 Divisions 953 to 955 - (Document B) $ 9 546 000 Divisions 577 to 580 - (Document D) $ 144 931 Division 955 - (Document D) $ 91 355

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of the Special Minister of State, subject to undertakings by the Minister to provide additional information.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.26 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present:

Senator Sibraa (Cnairman) and Senators Durack, Scott, MacGibbon, Primmer. Senators Harradine, Kilgariff, Georges and Colston also attended.

6. APOLOGY: Senator Reynolds.

CONFIRMED:

K.W. Sibraa Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 16

TUESDAY, 9 OCTOBER 1984

1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 1.45 p.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 6.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: The Minutes of the meetings held on 13 September and 2 October were confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered the Chairman's draft report to the Senate.

Resolved: That the draft report be adopted.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.52p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Sibraa (Chairman), Scott, Primmer and MacGibbon.

6. APOLOGIES: Apologies were received from Senators Durack and Reynolds.

CERTIFIED CORRECT:

K.W. Sibraa Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

REPORT TO THE SENATE

•Estimates Committee F has the honour to present its Report to

he Senate.

.. On 23 August 1984, the Senate referred to the Committee for

examination and report the Particulars of Proposed

Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June

19 85, the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in

respect of the Year ending on 30 June 1985 and the Advance

to the Minister for Finance for the Year ended 30 June 1984

relating to the following Departments:

Veterans' Affairs

Transport

Aviation

Administrative Services

Territories and Local Government

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2. The Committee has considered the Estimates and the Advanct

to the Minister for Finance for 1983-84, together with th

Departmental Explanatory Notes and has received evidenc

from the Minister for Social Security (Senator th

Honourable Don Grimes) and officers of the Departments am

authorities concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings

and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committes

are tabled for the information of the Senate in connectior

with Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1984-85 and Appropriatior

Bill (No. 2) 1984-85. Further written explanations furnished

by Departments will be presented separately and printed in

the Hansard record.

3. The Committee expresses its appreciation of the assistance

given by the Minister for Social Security and the officers

of the various departments and authorities who appeared

before the Committee.

(George Georges) October 1984

Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 8

THURSDAY. 13 SEPTEMBER 1984

PRIVATE MEETING: The Committee met in private session at

1.55 p.m. in Senate Committee Rooms Nos. 1 and 2. The

Chairman (Senator Georges) took the Chair.

MANNER OF EXAMINING THE ESTIMATES: It was agreed to proceed

with the examination of departmental estimates in the

following order: Department of Veterans' Affairs, Department

of Transport, Department of Aviation, Department of

Administrative Services and the Department of Territories

and Local Government. It was further agreed to proceed with

the examination of the estimates by division, by

sub-division and as necessary by item, in the order in which

they were presented to the Committee.

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3. WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS: The Committee agreed to the

following Resolution: 1 That the Chairman be authorised to

release written answers to questions provided subsequent to

meetings of the Committee.1

4. TAPING OF PROCEEDINGS: The Committee agreed that Mr Graeme

Downie from The Canberra Times be allowed to use a tape

recorder to record the examination of the Department of

Territories and Local Government.

5. PUBLIC MEETING: At 2.00 p. m. the Committee met in public

session.

6. The Chairman declared the meeting open, reported the

Resolution of the Senate of 23 August 1984, and made a

statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the

Committee in its examination of the estimates.

7. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS' AFFAIRS

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister

for Social Security, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Veterans' Affairs -

Mr D. Volker, Secretary

Mr I.D. Emerton, First Assistant Secretary,

Management Services Division

Mr P. Rake, Acting Assistant Secretary, Finance, Management Services Division

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Mr N. Stewart, Acting Director, Finance Operations, Management Services Division

Mr B. Partridge, Assistant Secretary, Employment Relations and Conditions, Management Services Division

Mr P. Keogh, Acting Assistant Secretary, Personnel and Establishments, Management Services Division

Mr C. Stewart, Director, Public Relations and Publicity, Management. Services Division

Dr J . Mould, Acting Chief Director, Medical

Services, Medical Services Division

Mr N. Trabinger, First Assistant Secretary, Treatment Services Division

Mr B. O'Shaunnassy, Assistant Secretary, Community Health, Treatment Services Division

Dr G. Brooks, Acting Assistant Secretary,

Departmental Health, Treatment Services Division

Mr M. McCartney, Acting Director, Pharmaceutical Services, Treatment Services Division

Mr P. Watson, Assistant Secretary, Treatment Services Control, Treatment Services Division

Mr B. Manning, Assistant Secretary, Special Projects, Benefits and Special Projects Division

Mr R. Hegarty, Assistant Secretary, Benefits, Benefits and Special Projects Division

Mr A. Ashford, Assistant Secretary, Implementation Unit, Legal Services Division

Mr W. Maxwell, Acting Assistant Secretary, Legal Services, Legal Services Division

Mr S. Wookey, First Assistant Secretary, Systems Division

Income - Assets Task Force:

Mr J . Muir, First Assistant Secretary

Mr K. Erwood, Director Policy - Client Relations

Mr J . O'Connor, Director Resource Management

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Defence Service Homes Corporation:

Mr A.J. Selleck, General Manager

Mr R. Taylor, Acting Director Finance Management

Office of Australian War Graves:

Mr P. Young, Director

Vietnam Veterans' Counselling Service:

Mr R. Marshall, Administrator

Steering Committee on Medical Evidence:

Mr J. Cosgrove

Department of Finance -Ms P.A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

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The Chairman called on the following Divisions for

consideration:

Divisions 690-693 (Document A)

Divisions 984-987 (Document B)

Divisions 690-692, 984 (Advance to the Minister for Finance)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed

Expenditure for the Department of Veterans' Affairs, subject

to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional

information to the Committee.

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PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister

for Social Security accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Transport -Mr M.J. Hutchinson, First Assistant Secretary, Management and Co-ordination Division

Mr C. Davidson, Assistant Secretary, Finance and Services, Management and Co-ordination Division

Mr J. Walker, Acting Director, Programs and Budgets, Finance and Services, Management and Co-ordination Division

Mr W.P. Crone, Senior Assistant Secretary, Ship Safety Branch, Marine Safety Division

Mr D. Scorpecci, Acting Assistant Secretary, Rail Branch, Land Transport Policy Division

Mr P.M.B. Cox, Acting Assistant Secretary, Roads Ά 1 Branch, Roads Division

Mr W.G. Upton, First Assistant Secretary, Road Safety Division

Mr K.G. Haupt, Acting Assistant Secretary, Coastal Shipping Branch, Sea Transport Policy Division

Bureau of Transport Economics:

Mr W.P. Egan, Deputy Director

Inter-State Commission:

Mr F. Keith, Secretary

Mr 0. Rodda, Director Administration

Department of Finance -Ms P. A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

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The Minister made an opening statement.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for

consideration:

Divisions 664-668 (Document A)

Divisions 972-973 (Document B)

Divisions 664-66 8, 973 (Advance to the Minister for Finance)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed

Expenditure for the Department of Transport, subject to an

undertaking by the Minister to provide additional

information to the Committee.

9. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION

In_Attendance: Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister

for Social Security, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Aviation -Mr K. Toakley, First Assistant Secretary, Resources

Mr E. Kiel, First Assistant Secretary, Airports

Ms C. Goode, First Assistant Secretary, Management Services

Mr P. Bowen, First Assistant Secretary, Domestic Policy

Mr R. O'Day, First Assistant Secretary, Airways

Mr J. Adams, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Airways

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Mr N. Wicks, Director, Information and Executive Projects

Mr J. Moffatt, Assistant Secretary, Airport Management

Mr A. Kinloch, Acting Assistant Secretary, Finance

Mr G. Macionis, Acting Assistant Secretary, Airways Facilities and Emergency Services

Ms G. Powell, Acting Assistant Secretary, Domestic Regulation

Mr L. Norsworthy, Assistant Regional Director, Flying Unit

Mr G Broomfield, Director, Budget

Mr G. O'Halloran, Director, Airport Resources and Programs

Mr G. Whitty, Director, Airways Resources and Planning

Mr I. Unsworth, Director, Independent Air Fares Committee

Department of Finance -Ms P. A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for

consideration:

Divisions 193-194 (Document A)

Division 830 (Document B)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed

Expenditure for the Department of Aviation, subject to an

undertaking by the Minister to provide additional

information to the Committee.

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DEPARTMENT OF 10. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister

for Social Security, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Administrative Services -

Mr A.R. Palmer, Deputy Secretary

Mr W.D. Kennedy, Director of Property, Property Directorate

Mr D. Rome, Acting Assistant Secretary,

Accommodation Operations Branch, Property Operations Division, Property Directorate

Ms P.F. McCahey, Senior Assistant Secretary, Policy, Planning and Review Division, Property Directorate

Mr J.R. Clark, Senior Assistant Secretary, Overseas Property Office, Property Directorate

Mr J.W. Sleep, Surveyor General, Survey Division

Mr B.E. Hinchcliffe, First Assistant Secretary, Transport and Storage Division

Mr J. Lleonart, First Assistant Secretary,

Information Services Division

Mr R. Hargreaves, Director, Printing Section, Australian Government Publishing Service Branch, Information Service Division

Mr R. D. Rubie, Acting Assistant Secretary, Major Purchasing Branch, Purchasing Division

Mr J . Stewart, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Management Division

Mr M. Wood, Acting Assistant Secretary, Finance Branch, Management Division

Department of Finance -Ms P. A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

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The Chairman called on the following Divisions for

consideration:

Divisions 130-132, 250, 252 and 260-261

(Document A)

Division 811 (Document B)

Divisions 130, 811 (Advance to the Minister for Finance)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed

Expenditure for the Department of Administrative Services,

subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide

additional information to the Committee.

1. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1984-85 - DEPARTMENT OF TERRITORIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT

In Attendance; Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister

for Social Security, accompanied by the following officers:

Department of Territories and Local Government -Mr R.J. O'Connell, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Management Services Division

Mr M.C. Woods, Assistant Secretary, Finance and Supply Branch

Mr W.D. Tyrrell, Director, Programs and Budgets Section

Mr B. M. Browning, Secretary and Manager, National Capital Development Commission

Mr A.C. Phillips, Assistant Secretary, Program Management, National Capital Development Commission

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Mr J.L. Maher, Assistant Secretary, Business Management, Parliament House Construction Authority

Mr A.R. Hedley, First Assistant Secretary, Policy and Program Co-ordination Division

Mr R.G. Gallagher, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Lands Division

Mr J.A. Turner, First Assistant Secretary, Parks and Conservation Division

Mr G. Fraser, First Assistant Secretary, Community Services Division

Mr B.C. Rope, Commissioner for Housing

Mr J.S. Brigg, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Transport and Technical Services Division

Mr N.J. Quinn, First Assistant Secretary,

Territories Division

Mr N. Morgan, Acting Assistant Secretary, Self Government Branch

Mr P. Rayner, Director, Office of Local Government

Department of Finance -Ms P.A. Lyndon, Chief Finance Officer, Financial Management and Accounting Policy Division

The Minister made an opening statement.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for

consideration:

Divisions 620-628 (Document A)

Divisions 959-961 (Document B)

Divisions 620-626 (Advance to the Minister for Finance)

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed

Expenditure for the Department of Territories and Local

Government, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to

provide additional information to the Committee.

„2. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.25 p.m.

L3. ATTENDANCE: Senators Georges (Chairman), Collard, Reid,

Richardson, Robertson and Townley. Senator Peter Rae also

attended the public session of the Committee.

(George Georges) Chairman

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