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THE PA;RLIAMENT OF 'IHE COMMONWEALTII OF AUSTR.A!LIA 1973-Parliamentary Paper No. 95

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEES A, B, C, D, E and F

REPORTS TO THE SENATE

ON

DEPARTMENTAL ADDITIONAL ESTIMATES 1972-73

Brought up and ordered to be printed 30 May 1973

TilE GOVERNMENT BRIN1'ER OF A USTRALLA C.ANDERM 1973 ",

Print ed by Authority by the Government Printer of Australi a

Contents

Page

1. Resolutions of the Senate-14 March 1973 " " 3

12 April 1973 4

2. Estimates Committee A-Report 10

Minutes of Proceedings 1973-10 May 15

25 May 17

29 May 21

3. Estimates Committee B-Report 26

Minutes of Proceedings 1973-24 May 29

29 May 33

4. Estimates Committee C-Report 38

Appendix-Written answers to questions 42

Minutes of Proceedings 1973-24 M ay 47

24 May 48

29 May 54

5. Estimates Committee D-Report 58

Minutes of Proceedings 1973-25 May 61

6. Estimates Committee E-Report 70

Minutes of Proceedings 1973-24 May 71

7. Estimates Committee F-Report 80

Appendix-Written answers to questions 89

Minutes of Proceedings 1973-25 May 93

29 May 97

29 Ma y 98

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RESOIJUTIONS OF 1HE SENA'I1E

R ,ESOLUTION PASSED ON 14 MAROH 1973

EsTIMATES COMMITTEEs-APPOINTMENT: The Special Minister of State (Senator Willesee), at the request of the Leader of the Government in the Senate (Senator Murphy), by leave, amended Government Business, Notice of Motion !No. 2, standing in the name of Senator Murphy, and, pursuant to notice, moved-That-

(1) Unless otherwise ordered, the annual Estimates, as contained in the Papers presenting the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure, and the Additional Estimates, as contained in the Papers presenting the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure, shall on motion be referred for examina "

tion and report to six Committees, to be known as Estimates Committees A, B, C, D, E and F, which are appointed by this Resolution. (2) Unless otherwise ordered, each Committee shall consist of eight Senators, four being members of the Government Party , to be nominated by the Leader of the

Government in the Senate, and four being Senators who are not members of the Government Party. (3) Non~Government representation upon the Committees shall be as follows: Opposition (Liberal Party)-Sixteen Senators, three to each of four Com "

mittees and two to each of two Committees to be nominated by the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate. Australian Country Party- Three Senators, one to each of three Committees to be nominated by the Leader of the Australian Country Party in the

Senate. Australian Democratic Labor Party- Three Senators, one to each of three Committees, to be nominated by the Leader of the Australian Democratic Labor Party. Independents-Two Senators, one to each of two Committees, to be nomi "

nated by the Independent Senators. ( 4) The particular Committees to which the non-Government Parties and Indepen " dents make nominations, shall be determined by agreement between those Parties and Independents , and, in the absence of agreement duly notified to

the .President , the ,question as to the representation on any particular Com " mittee as between those Parties and Independents shall be determined by the Senate. (5) 1Each Committee may proceed to the despatch of business notwithstanding that

all members have not been appointed and notwithstanding any vacancy. (6) Each Committee shall elect a Government member as Chairman. (7) The Chairman may from time to time appoint another member of the Com " mittee to be Deputy~hairman and the mem:ber so appointed shall act as

Chairman of the Committee at any time when the Chairman is not present at a meeting of the Committee. (8) In the event of an equality of voting, the Ch airman, or the Deputy-Chairman when acting as Chairman, shall have a casting vote. (9) Three members of a Committee shall constitute a quorum.

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(10) A Senator, though not a member of a Committee, may attend and participate in its deliberations, and question witnesses, unless the Committee orders other " wise, but shall not vote. ( 11) The Committees shall sit in open session, unless otherwise ordered, may sit

during any adjournment or suspension of the Senate, and may adjourn from time to time. (12) A Committee shall not meet while the Senate is actually sitting, unless by special order of the Senate.

( 13) Not more than three Committees shall sit simultaneously.

( 14) .Jn considering the Estimates, the Chairman shall, without motion, calJ on divisions of expenditure in the order decided upon and declare the proposed expenditure open for examination.

( 15) The Committees may ask for explanations from Ministers of State in the Senate, or officers, relating to the items of proposed expenditure.

( 16) The Resolution referring the Estimates to the Committees may fix a day for the reporting of their proceedings to the Senate, . by which day the final Reports of the Committees shall be brought up.

( 17) The∑ Report of a Committee shall be presented to the Senate by the Chairman and, if considered necessary, may propose the further consideration of any particular items. A reservation by any member of a Committee may be added to the Report. (18) The Reports from the Committee shall be received by the Senate without debate

and their consideration deferred until consideration of the Appropriation Bi.Ils.

( 19) A Hansard report of Committee proceedings shall be circulated, in manner similar to the daily Senate Hansard, as soon as practicable after each day's proceedings. (20) The foregoing provisions of this Resolution, so far as t'hey are inconsistent with

the Standing Orders, shall have effect notwithstanding anything contained in the Standing Orders. Question-put and passed.

RESOLUTION PASSED ON 12 APRIL 1973

PARTICULARS OF THE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1972-73-PAPERS: The Minister for the Media (Senator Douglas McClelland) laid upon the Table the following Papers, by Command of His Excellency the Govemor~General: ,Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year

ending 30 June 1973. Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973.

Reference to Estimates Committees: Senator ,Douglas McClelland, by Jeave, moved " ( 1 ) That, unless otherwise ordered, ∑ Estimates Committees deal with departmental estimates as follows:

Estimates Committee A : Attomey ~General's Department

Department of Customs and .Excise Parliament Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Department of Science

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Estimates Committee B: 'Department of the Special Minister of State Department of Foreign Affairs Department of the Treasury Department of Services and Property

Department of the Capital Territory Department of External Territories

Estimates Committee C: Department of the Media Department of Social Security Department of Education

Department of Tourism and Recreation Department of Immigration Postmaster-General's Department Department of Health

Estimates Committee D: Repatriation Department Department of Defence Department of the Navy Department of the Army

Department of Air Department of Supply Department of Labour

Estimates Committee E: Department of Works Department of Urban and Regional Development -Department of Transport

Department of Civil Aviation !Department of Aboriginal Affairs Department of Housing Department of the Environment and Conservation

Estimates Committee F: Department of Primary Industry Department of Overseas Trade 'Department of Secondary Industry Department of Northern 'Development Department of Minerals and Energy

Department of the Northern Territory

(2) That the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973 and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973 be referred herewith to Estimates Committees for examination and report.

(3) That the Committees report to the Senate on or before 17 May 1973.

Question-put and passed.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Docume nt*

A

B

A

A

B

A

B

A

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MEMBERS

Senator J. R. McClelland (Chairman) Senator the Honourable V . C. G air Senator G . Georges Senator the Honourable I. J. Greenwood, Q .C. Senator M . G. C. Guilfoyle Senator G . T. McLaren

Senator J. M . Wheeldon Senator the Honourable R. C . W right

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister : Senator the Han. L. K . M urphy, Q.C.)

Page D ivision

I

D epartment

No.

I

6-11 130-144, Attorney-General's . . ..

363, 368

3 807 Attorney-General's .. ..

14

I

210 C ustoms and Excise . . ..

3-4 101-109 Parliament . . . . . .

3 800 Parliam ent . . . . ..

38-40 430-456, Prime M inister and Cabinet .. 245-247, 522 7-8 882, 828 Prime M inister and Cabinet ..

42-44 468, 138, Science .. .. ..

230-241'

I

358, 510 I

. !

A mo unt

$

. . 2,260,400

.. 12,500

.. 901,200

.. 182,000

. . 45,700

.. 1,277,100

.. 56,500

. . 1,78!,900

" Docum ent A-'Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973'. " Do cument B-' Particulars of Certain Proposed Add itional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973'.

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ESTIMATES COMMI'ITEE A

. REPORT TO THE SENATE

1. Estimates Committee A has th~ ∑h~n~m ∑ t ~ report to the Senate.

2. On 12 April 1973, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Departmental Estimates for the year 1972-1973 relating to the following Departments: Attorney-General's

Customs and Excise Parliament Prime Minister and Cabinet Science.

3. The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations ∑ Of them .from the :Attorney~General arld'Minister for Customs and Excise;, Senator Murphy (and, .in his unavoidable absence, from the Special Minister of State, Senator Willesee) and from officers of the Depart " ments concerned. A copy of the Miimtes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1972-73 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 6) 1972-73. Certain written answers to questions asked at the first two hearings are incorporated in the Hansard report of the third hearing (29 May).

4. The Committee draws attention to two matters in particular, detailed refer " ences to which are to be found in the Hansard reports of the Committee's proceedings. These matters are (a) the widespread inclusion in the additional estimates of large sums of money for the item described as 'postage, tele " grams and telephone services', and (b) the unsatisfactory arrangements relat " ing to the accounts connected with the operations of the Anglo-Australian Telescope Board. ∑

(a) In connection with the continuing line entry 'postage, telegrams and telephone services' the Committee noted a consistent pattern of sub " stantial underestimation in the original annual appropriations, which has given rise to an almost universal application for additional funds in what constitute supplementary appropriations to cover the unfore " seen elements of departmental expenditure. The common theme which runs through the explanations as to telephone amounts is that the increases have been caused by increased usage and an increase in the effects of the rise in charges which took place in the second half of 1971. The Committee has not explored the explanations given to it and accepts, therefore, that there has been a greater inaccuracy in estimation than is to be expected. In the view of the Committee, a high degree of underestimation has taken place to which the Senate's attention should be drawn.

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(b) The Committee was informed that, although the Anglo-Australian Telescope Agreement Act 1970-1971 (s. 19) and the Agreement itself (Articles 8 and 16) contain specific reference to financial state " ments to be supplied by the Telescope Board, there has in fact been no

presentation to the Parliament of accounts for farward estimates since that time. The absence of such financial statements received passing reference only in the Report of the Auditor-General for the year 1971-72, and the Committee views with considerable concern

the fact that the statutory requirements have apparently been ignored for a period of two financial years, ostensibly because of administra " tive difficulties between the United Kingdom and Australian authorities. The written explanation for the additional appropriation of $127,000 for the year 1972-73 (above the original appropriation of $282,000), is as follows:

'This appropriation provides for the Australian half share of administra " tive expenses to be incurred by the Anglo-Australian Telescope Board in respect of the construction of the 150-inch optical telescope at Siding Spring observatory, New South Wales, for the period July 1972 to 30 June

1973. The bulk of the increases in the item is due to additional costs of the Board's consultants who have made submissions to the Board for increased fees. The increase reflects the Board's agreement, in part, to these sub " missions. Increased expenditure is also likely under Travel, O ffice Expenses and Salaries.' The Committee is firmly of the opinion that this situation, in which the Parlia " ment is repeatedly asked for large sums of money in pursuit of an operation whose financial arrangements are not available for perusal, is unacceptable

and should not be allowed to continue into the next financial year.

5. The Committee places on record its appreciation of the explanations provided by the Ministers and the Departmental advisers both orally and in the written explanatory notes, which were well documented and consequently invaluable to the Committee members.

30 May 1973

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J. R. McCLELLAND Chairman

'i..l "

;∑. 'l

Estimates Committee A

Minutes of Proceedings

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!:H, 1 ., 'H~'t~l . ' l. d ~-

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.1 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 1973

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.05 p.m.

2. APPOINTMENT OF ESTIMATES COMMITTEES: The Resolutions of the Senate of 14 March and 12 April 1973 relating to the establishment of the Estimates Committees were reported to the Committee.

3. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE: The Resolutions of the Senate of 9 and 10 May recording the appointment of the following members to Estimates Committee A were reported: Senators Gair, Georges, Greenwood, Guilfoyle, James McOelland, McLaren, Wheeldon and Wright.

4. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Wheeldon, Senator James McClelland was elected Chairman of the Committee.

5. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman informed the Com " mittee that, as far as possible, the previous practice and procedure of Estimates Committees would be followed in the conduct of the proceedings of the Committee.

6. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION

FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE: Pursuant to the Order of the Senate, the Committee proceeded to consider the particulars of Proposed Provision for Additional Expenditure for the service of the Year ending 30 June 1973, relating to the following departmental estimates:

Attorney-General's Department Department of Customs and Excise Parliament Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Department of Science The Chairman called on Divisions 130-144, 363, 368 (Document A) and Division 807 (Document B)-Attorney-General's Department. Appearing: Senator the Hon. L. K. Murphy Q.C., the Attorney-General and

Minister for Customs and Excise, accompanied by the following officers:

Attorney-General's Department: C. K. Comans, First Parliamentary Counsel L. J. Curtis, First Assistant Secretary, Executive 'A' Division G. J. Yuill, Senior Assistant Secretary, Executive 'B' Division

L. Harrison, Deputy Commissioner, Office of the Commissioner for Trade Practices

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N. E. Sainsbury, Senior Assistant Secretary, Management and Executive Services Division K. Crotty, Assistant Secretary, Executive Services Branch R. Wilson, Commissioner, A.C.T. Police L. Harper, Deputy Commissioner, Commonwealth Police.

Department of the Treasury: Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer Mr C. J. Louttit, Senior Finance Officer. The following particulars of proposed provision for additional expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A

Division 130-Administrative Division 131-0ffice of the Parliamentary Counsel

$

394,200 2,500

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.45 p.m.

8. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator James McClelland (Chairman) and Senators Gair, Georges, Greenwood, Guilfoyle, McLaren, Wheeldon and Wright. Senators Cant, Drury, Durack, Gietzelt, Keeffe, Laucke, McAuliffe, Milliner, O'Byrne and Young also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

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J. McCLELLAND

Chait man

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.2 FRIDAY, 25 MAY, 1973

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10 a.m. The Chairman (Senator James McClelland) took the Chair.

2. POSTPONEMENT: The Committee resolved that the consideration of the Divisions relating to the Attorney-General's Department and the Depart " ment of Customs and Excise be postponed until after the consideration of the Divisions relating to the Parliament, the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet and the Department of Science.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION

FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR PARLIAMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon . D. R. Willesee, Special Minister of State, accompanied by:

Department of the Senate: Mr J. R. Odgers, Clerk of the Senate; Mr A. R. Cumming Thorn, Clerk-Assistant; Mr H . G. Smith, Usher of the Black Rod; Mr R. G. Mair, Administrative Officer.

Department of the Parliamentary Reporting Staff: Mr W. J. Bridgman, Principal Parliamentary Reporter; Mr F. W. Temperly, Administrative Assistant.

Joint House Department: Mr R. W. Hillyer, Secretary; Mr L. S. Carter, Administrative Officer.

Department of the Treasury: Mr A.M. Finch, Chief Finance Officer. The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Divisions 101-109-Parliament (Document A).

Division 800-Parliament (Document B). The following particulars of proposed provision for additional estimates were considered by the Committee.

Document A Division 10 1-Senate Division 1 02-House of Rpresentatives Division 1 03-Parliamentary Reporting Staff Division 105-Joint Hou se Department

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s

33,400 35,300 39,000 46,000

$

Division 1 08-Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works 23,300

5,000 Division 109-Joint Committee of Public Accounts Document B Division 800'----Joint House-Capital Works and Services 45,700 Consideration of prdpo~ed additional expenditure for Parliament concluded.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS 'oF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR TilE DEPARTMENT OF

THE PRIME MINISTER AND ¨ABINErT: ' 'li : Appearing with the Minister: Mr G. J. Y eend, Deputy Secretary; Mr J. G. Hinton, Director, Establishments and Finance Branch;

Mr∑w. N. Weidner, Finance Officer. Tariff Board: Mr R. G. Robertson, Chief Executive Officer. Australian Council jof the Arts:

Dr Jean Battersby, Executive Officer, Australian Film and Television School. Interim Council: Mr J. Martin-Jones, Executive Officer. Auditor-General's Office:

Mr A. K. Ragless, Assistant Auditor-General; Mr D. W. Burdett, Controller. Office of the Public Service Board: Mr H. B. MacDonald, Secretary;

Mr R. N. Allen, Senior Inspector . Department o1 the Treasury: Mr A. M. Finch, Chief Finance Officer. The Chairman called on the following Divisions:

Divisions 430-456, 245-247, 522-Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (Document A). Divisions 882, 828-Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (Document B). Document A

Division 430-Administrative . ∑I

Division 432-Conveyance of Governor-General, Ministers of State and others by R.A.A.F. and Civil Aviation Air-craft . ∑'

Division 434-Leaders of the Opposition and the Parlia " mentary Parties, Deputy Leaders of the Opposition and the Whips Division 440-0fficial Establishments .. Division 442-Governor-General's Office Division 245-Administrative Division 247-Australian Council for the Arts

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. ∑'

$

273,300

158,000

29,500 12,900 9,000 375,800

72,300

'

Division 454-Auditor-General's Office Division 456-Public Service Board Division 522-Tariff Board

Document B Division 882-0ther Services Division 828-Capital Works and Services Consideration of proposed additional expenditure

the Prime Minister and Cabinet concluded.

$

20,500 134,600 191,200

46,000 10,500

for the Department of

5. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION

FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF

∑ sernNCE. Appearing with the Minister: Department af Science: Mr J. P. Lonergan, First Assistant Secretary, Policy Division;

Mr P. B. Free, Acting Senior Assistant Secretary, General Service11 Division Mr F. P. McMahon, Administrative Officer, Antarctic Division; Mr K. Callaghan, Acting Assistant Commissioner (Administration),

Patents Office; Mr W. D'Este Lockwood, Finance Officer, National Standards Com " mission, Sydney; Mr K. J. Walshe, Executive Officer (Finance), Bureau of Meteorology,

Central Office, Melbourne; Mr F. A. Daw, Regional Director, Bureau of Meteorology, Australian Capital Territory. Commonwea lth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization:

Mr R. W. Viney, Finance Manager; Mr H. Kwong, Budget Officer; Mr S. Lattmore, Assistant Secretary (Industrial and Physical Sciences); Mr K. L. Avent, Assistant Secretary (Agricultural and Biological

Sciences).

The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Divisions 468, 138, 230-241, 358, 510--Department of Science (Document A). The following particulars of proposed provision for additional estimates were considered by the Committee.

Document A: Division 468-Administrative Division 138-Patents, Trade Marks and Designs Offices Division 230-Administrative Division 231-Metric Conversion Board Division 234-Anglo-Australian Telescope Board Division 240-National Standards Commission Division 241-Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial

Research Organization

Division 358-Commonwealth Bureau of Meteorology Division 51 0-Antarctic Division

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$

88,100 6,500 26,100 10,500 127,000

10,300

1,120,000 322,400 71,000

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Science.

6. ADJOURNMENT : The Committee adjourned at 4.05 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator James McQelland (Chairman) and Senators Gair, George1,. Greenwood, Guilfoyle, McLaren, Wheeldon and Wright. Senators Sir Kenneth Anderson, McAuliffe, Marriott, O'Byrne and Young also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

CONFIRMED

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J. McCLELLAND Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMI1TEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.3 TUESDAY, 29 MAY 1973

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 7.30 p.m. The Chairman (Senator James McOelland) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION

FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR TilE ATTORNEY "

GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. L. K. Murphy, Attorney-General and Minister for Customs and Excise, accompanied by: Mr L. J. Curtis, First Assistant Secretary, Executive A Division; Mr G. J. F. Yuill, Senior Assistant Secretary, Executive B Division;

Mr C. L. Hermes, Senior Assistant Secretary, Executive B Division; Mr J. T. Johnstone, Inspector-General in Bankruptcy; Mr R. Wilson, Commissioner, A.C.T. Police Force; Mr L. Harper, Deputy Commissioner, Commonwealth Police Force; Mr R. L. Harrison, Deputy Commissioner, Office of the Commissioner of

Trade Practices; Mr K. Crotty, Assistant Secretary, Executive Services Division; Mr R. A. Jenkins, Director, Management Services Branch; Mr K. Geary, Senior Finance Officer, Management and Executive Services

Division. The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Divisions 130-144, 363, 368-Attorney-General's Department (Docu " ment A).

Division 807-Attorney-General's Department (Document B). The following Particulars of proposed provision for additional estimates were considered by the Committee.

Document A Division 132-Reporting Branch Division 133-Crown Solicitor's Office Division 134-High Court .. Division 136-Bankruptcy Administration

Division 137-Conciliation and Arbitration Division 139-Legal Service Bureaux .. Division 140--0ffice of the Commissioner of Trade Practices Division 141-Commonwealth Police Force Division 142-Australian Police College Division 143-Australian Capital Territory Courts and

Registration Offices

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$

50,800 126,100 41,000 99,200 183,500

24,700 49,000 644,900 12,600

25,600

s

Division 144-Northem Territory Courts and Registration Offices Division 363-Australian Capital Territory Police Division 368-Northem Territory Services ~ . , I,. ; " i ,.

37,800 533,700 34,800

Document B 1' 1 t ~ ' ' .J / ~"

Division 807-0th ,ef. Serv~cct~ '! ". ; ,.. " " , . J ,. " " " " 12,500 Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Attorney-General's Department concluded. i I ∑ 't j

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF

CUSTOMS AND EXCISE. - ,rr

Appearing, with the Minister: Mr A. T. Carmody, Comptroller-General; Mr V . G. Montgomery, First Assistant Comptroller-General ,' Management and Technical Services Division; Mr J. T. O'Connor, First Assistant Comptroller-General, Inland and

Special Services Division; - . ,

Mr G. E. Sheen, Assistant Comptroller-General, P.6rt, 4\.dn;linistration Branch; ' :-

Mr R. J. Carmody, Assistant Comptroller-General, Management Servicea Branch. ∑

The Chairman called on the following Division: Division 210-Department of Customs and Excise (Dopument A).

Document A $

Division 210-Adl:ninistrative 901,200

∑l

Consideration of proposed additional expe~di~re for' the Depart~nent of CUstoms and Excise concluded.

The Minister, Depa∑ rtmental Officers and Members of the Press /. and Public witl(,drew. l 1

Deli~erative Meeting

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∑1. .,

4. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee discussed .the form of draft Report to be submitted to the Senate. it\•~ r~oJved tha~ as .∑ ~ere , was a degree of urgency in the presentation of the Report, the Chairman should circulate his draft Report to members of the Committee -for -their con " sideration, comments and approval.

5; ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjoui:ned 'at 9.50 p.m . .,_ . . . ~ . 6. ATTENDANCE: The follo~g memQers of the Committee were present: Senator James McClelland (Chairman); and Senators ∑ Gair,' 'Georges, Greenwood, Guilfoyle, McLaren,∑ Wheeldon and Wright.

Senators Cant, Gitezelt and Milliner also took '' part in the ∑ Cotnmittee'a proceedings. - ∑ '

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... J. ∑ MGCLELLAND

Chairman

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

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Document*

A

A

B

A

B

A

B

A

B

A

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MEMBERS

Senator A. J. Drury (Chairman) Senator the Honourable R. C . Cotton Senator F. P. McManus Senator C. R. Maunsell Senator B. R. Milliner Senator C. G. Primmer Senator J. P. Sim Senator J. M. Wheeldon

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister: Senator the Hon. D. R. Willesee)

Page Division Department

No.

49-50 245-252, Special Minister of State ..

430,450,505

22-23 270-272, Foreign Affairs .. . .

436

5 835-836 Foreign Affairs .. ..

53-55 540-552 Treasury . . . . ..

9-10 915-917 Treasury . . . . ..

46-47 350-357, Services and Property . . . . 368, 475 8 855 Services and Property . . . .

12

I

362 Capital Territory . . ..

3 855 C apital Territo ry . . ..

20-21 260-268 External Territories . . ..

Amount

$

. . 229,000

. . 8,462,000

. . 10,141,500 . . 4,715,000 .. I 403,000

.. 3,308,400 .. 650,600

. . 410,200

. . 451,200

. . 3,119,700

* Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973'. "* Document B-'Particulars of Certain Proposed Ad ditional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973'.

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ESTIMATES COMMITIEE B

REPORT TO TilE SENATE

1. Estimates Committee B has the 1ionour to report to the Senate.

2. On 12 April 1973, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Departmental Estimates for the year 1972-73 relating to the following Departments: Department of the Special Minister of State

Department of Foreign Affairs Department of the Treasury Department of Services and Property Department of the Capital Territory Department of External Territories.

3. The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Special Minister of State and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1972--73 and the Appropriation Bill (No.6) 1972-73.

4. The Committee places on record its appreciation of the explanations provided by the Minister and his Departmental advisers during the inquiries.

29 May 1973

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A. J. DRURY Chairman

Estimates Committee B

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.1 THURSDAY, 24 MAY 1973

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 12.00 noon.

2. RESOLUTIONS OF THE SENATE: Resolutions of the Senate of 14 March 1973 and 12 April 1973 were read relating to the re-establishment of Estimates Committees and the reference to Estimates Committee B of the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973 and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973 relating to the following Departments-

Department of the Special Minister of State Department of Foreign Affairs Department of the Treasury Department of Services and Property Department of the Capital Territory Department of External Territories.

3. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: In accordance with the Resolution of 14 March 1973, and on the motion of Senator McManus, Senator Drury was elected Chairman of the Committee. Senator Drury thereupon took the Chair.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF THE SPECIAL MINISTER OF STATE :

Appearing: Senator the Hon. D . R. Willesee, Special Minister of State, accompanied by: Mr J.P. Dunner, Director, Commonwealth Archives; Mr F. C. Boyle, Acting Assistant Secretary;

Mr I. D. Gillespie, Finance Officer, General Branch.

Treasury Representative-Mr A. Finch, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch. The Chairman called upon the following Divisions :

Divisions 245-252, 430, 450 and 50S-Department of the Special Minister of State (Document A)-$229,000 The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of the Special Minister of State.

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5. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. D . R. Willesee, Special Mininster of State, accompanied by: Mr P. J. Curtis, Assistant Secretary (Personnel Branch); Mr J. P. Wa lshe, Acting Assistant Secretary (Services);

Mr J. M. Starey, Director ~Aid Branch); Mr F. C. Murray, Director (Overseas Property); Mr J. A. Piper, Acting Assistant Secretary (Information and Cultural Relations) ; Mr J. R. Kelso, Assistant Secretary (United Nations and International

Agencies); Mr R. E. Johns, Director (Finance).

Appearing: Senator the Hon. D. R. Willesee, Special Mininster of State, accompanied by:

Treasury Representative-Mr A. Finch, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch. The Chairman called upon the following Divisions:

Divisions 270-272 and 436-Department of Foreign Affairs (Document A)-$8,462,000 Divisions 835 and 836-Department of Foreign Affairs (Document B) -$10,141,500 The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Foreign Affairs .

6. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. D. R. Willesee, Special Minister of State, accompanied by:

Central Treasury-Mr F. V. Colvin, Director, Finance and General Services; Mr K. F. Corbitt , Finance Officer.

Bureau of Census and Statistics-Me H . R. Hegarty, Director, Establishments and Finance Section.

Office of the Superannuation and Defence Forces Retirement Benefit " Boards-Mr D . Hume , Director , Services. Commonwealth Taxation 0/fice-

Mr K. F. A. Myers, First Assistant Commissioner, Management Division; Mr J. E. Scanlan, Assistant Commissioner, General Legislation Branch; Mr D. N . Ridley, Clerk.

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Treasury Representative-Mr A. Finch, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch. The Chairman called upon the following Divisions:

Divisions 540-552-Department of the Treasury (Docume nt A) " $4,715,000 Divisions 915-917-Department of the Treasury (Documen t B) " $403,000. The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of the Treasury.

7. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR TilE DEPARTMENT OF SERVICES AND PROPERTY :

Appearing: Senator the Ron. D. R. Willesee, Special Minister of State, accompanied by: Mr D. M . Lalor, Acting Assistant Secretary (Finance and Supply); Mr R. C. Burroughs, Acting Director (Finance and Supply);

Mr M. W. Frankcom, Acting Assistant Secretary (Property ); Mr J. K. Taylor, Acting Surveyor-General; Mr C. G. Van Senden, Assistant Surveyor-General (Interstate Operations);

Mr C. J. Rowe, Executive Officer, Electoral Branch; Mr P. G. Woodham, Executive Officer (Parliamentary); Mr A. D. White, Acting Director, Programming and Projects, Property Division.

Treasury Representative-Mr A. Finch, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch. The Chairman called upon the following Divisions :

Divisions 350-357, 368 and 475-Department of Services and Property (Document A)-$3,308,400 Division 855-Department of Services and Property (Document B) " $650,600 The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for

the Department of Services and Propert y.

8. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF THE CAPITAL TERRITORY :

Appearing: Senator the Ron . D . R. Willesee, Special M inister of State, accompanied by:

16109/13-2

Mr D . M. Lalor, Acting A ssistant Secretary (Finance and Supply); Mr R. C. Burroughs, Acting Director (Finance and Supply); Mr J. P. Burbrook, Executive Officer (Social Controls and Authority); Mr L. I. Crowe , Acting Assistant Secretary (Commercial and Transport

Operations) ; Mr N. A. Simpson, Manager (Transport) ; Mr R. Corrigan, Assistant Secretary (Land Administration); Mr J. M . Herner, Director (Welfare);

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Mr M. Edgerley, Director (A.C.T. Forests); Mr J. Huston, Director (Conservation and Agriculture) ; Mr E. M. Aldons, Officer-in-Charge, Loans and Sale, Housing Branch.

Treasury Representative-Me A. Finch, Acting Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch. The Chairman called upon the following Divisions:

Division 362-Department of the Capital Territory (Document A) " $410,200 Division 855-Department of the Capital Territory (Document B) " $451,200 The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of the Capital Territory .

9. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL TERRITORIES:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. D. R. Willesee, Special Minister of State, accompanied by: Mr L. W . Temby, Assistant Secretary (Finance); Mr N. W. Hunt, Officer-in-Charge (Finance and Works Programming);

Mr M. H. Jolliffe, Acting Assistant Secretary (Public Employment).

Treasury Representative-Mr A. Finch, Acting Assistant Secretary , Accounting Operations Branch. The Chairman called upon the following Divisions:

Divisions 260-268-Department of External Territories (Document A) " $3,119,700 The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of External Territories.

10. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 3.19 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

11. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Cotton, Drury, McManus, Maunsell, Milliner, Primmer, Sim and Wheeldon (8). Senator Wright also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

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A. J. DRURY Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.2 TUESDAY, 29 MAY 1973

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 1.00 p.m.

2. MINUTES: The Minutes of the previous meeting were confirmed on the motion of Senator McManus.

3. REPORT: On the motion of Senator Milliner, the draft report of the Com " mittee was approved.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Drury (in the Chair), McManus, Milliner, Primmer and Maunsell. Apologies were received from: Senators Wheeldon, Sim and Cotton.

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A. J. DRURY Cha irman

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

I

I

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Document*

A

B

A

B

A

B

A

A

A

A

B

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ME MB ERS

Senator J. A. Mulvihill (Chairman) Senator H. G. J. Cant Senator J. L. Carrick Senator C. L. Laucke

Senator A . G. E. Lawrie Senator R. E. McAuliffe Senator M. Townley Senator L. D. Wilkinson

D EPARTMENTAL FSTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister : Senator the Hon. Douglas McClelland)

Page

Division

Department N o.

30 250, 360, Media . . . . ..

405

6 863 Media . . . . . .

48 500--501 Social Security . . ..

9 901 Social Security .. . .

15-18 230--239, Education . . . . . .

368

4 825-827 Education . . . . . .

51 524--534 Tourism and Recreati on . .

28 330-332 Immi gration . . . . . .

35 405-406 Postmaster-General's . . . .

24--26 290--295 Health . . . . . .

5-6 840--843 Health . . . . ..

I

Amount

s

. . 2,787,000

.. 144,000

.. 774,800

.. 75,000

.. 8,690,100

.. 9,834,500

.. 60,000

.. 488,800

.. 313,000

.. 2,398,200

.. 653,500

" Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973'. " Document B-'Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973'.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee C has the honour to present its report to the Senate. On 12 April 1973, the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Estimates for the year 1972-73 relating to the following Departments: Department of the Media

Department of Social Security Department of Education Department of Tourism and Recreation Department of Immigration Postmaster-General's Department Department of Health. The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for the Media and officers of the Depart " ments concerned. A copy of the Hansard report of the evidence is tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 5)

1972-73 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 6) 1972-73. Subsequent to the hearing of evidence, in response to an undertaking given by the Minister for the Media, certain additional information was supplied to the Committee. A copy of that information is attached as an Appendix to the Report.

The Committee records its appreciation of the evidence given by both the Minister for the Media and the officers of the Departments concerned. In addition, the Committee records its appreciation of the detailed explanations of the Addi " tional Estimates received by all Senators adequately before the sittings of the Committee. These explanations not only served as a solid base for questioning but also proved of great assistance in the speedy consideration of the Additional Estimates.

29 May 1973

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J. A. MULVIHILL Chairman

Estimates Committee C

Appendix

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Dear Senator Mulvihill,

Minister for Health, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 29 May 1973

During the course of the examination of the amounts included in Appropria " tion Bills numbers 5 and 6 for my Department for 1972-73, members of the Committee asked three questions which required the provision of further information.

This information has now been prepared and is included in the attached statement.

Senator J. A. Mulvihill, Chairman, Estimates Committee C, Parliament House, CANBERRA, A.C.T. 2600

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Yours sincerely,

DOUG EVERINGHAM

PENALTY PAYMENTS-NORTHERN TERRITORY HOSPITALS

Senator Wright asked that he be informed of the amount included in Division 294.1.01 in the original appropriation for 1972-73 for penalty payments. The amount included was $406,000.

Senator Wright also asked if the provision for penalty payments could be broken up into substantial items showing the categories of penalties and if par " ticulars could be provided of the awards or determinations under which penalty payments are made.

The categories of penalty payments are as follows: Day Shift Penalties-20 per cent for Industrial Staff; Nil for Nursing Staff. Night Shift Penalties-30 per cent for Industrial Staff; 15 per cent for Nursing Staff. Public Holiday Penalties-150 per cent Industrial Staff; 150 per cent

Nursing Staff. Saturday Penalties-50 per cent Industrial Staff; 50 per cent Nursing Staff. Casual Worker Penalties--,-15 per cent Industrial Staff; Nil Nursing Staff.

The appropriate determinations are-Industrial Staff-Determination 39/54 amended by Det. 429/71. Nursing Staff-Determination 32/56 amended by Det. 429/71.

Penalty payments are processed by computer along with normal salary and wages payments made to staff. The expenditure is not dissected so as to show a break up under the various categories of penalties or under the various determina " tions. It is not possible therefore to provide particulars of the amounts involved under the various categories or determinations.

NUMBER OF STAFF EMPLOYED IN HOSPITALS IN

NORTIIERN TERRITORY

Senator Wilkinson asked to be advised of the number of staff at the Hospitals in the Northern Territory.

As at 28 February 1973, when the Revised Estimates were prepared the staff employed at the hospitals was-Darwin Alice Springs

Nhulunbuy ( Gove) Katherine East Arm Tennant Creek

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790 339 94

85

49

39

1,396

EVACUATION OF INJURED WORKERS IN THE NORTHERN

TERRITORY FROM MINING AREAS

Senator Mulvihill asked if in the case of an injured worker from a mining area being flown to the Darwin Hospital, does the Northern Territory Health Service get reimbursement from the employer, who, it is assumed would carry workers' compensation coverage.

In the Northern Territory, injured workers are evacuated where necessary to the nearest hospital-usually Tennant Creek or Gove. Ambulance services to the hospital are provided by the Mining Company or, as necessary, by the Northern Territory Health Services. A land ambulance charge is made if a Departmental ambulance is used.

If the injury is such that the patient cannot be treated at Gove or Tennant Creek he is evacuated to Darwin Hospital free of charge as an intra-hospital transfer for medical treatment. If interstate hospitalisation is necessary, a claim is made on the company for

full fares to the interstate hospital where Workers' Compensation or Third Party Claims are involved.

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Estimates Committee C

Minutes of Proceedings

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.1 THURSDAY, 24 MAY 1973

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 9.30 a.m.

2. APPOINTMENT OF AND REFERENCE TO ESTIMATES COM "

MITTEES: The Resolutions of the Senate of 14 March and 12 April 1973 relating to the appointment of Estimates Committees and the referral of additional estimates to them were reported to the Cornn1ittee.

3. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE: The entry of the Jo~nals of the Senate of 9 May 1973 recording the appointment of the follow ing members to Estimates Committee C was reported: Senators Cant, Carrick, Laucke, Lawrie, McAuliffe, Mulvihill, Townley and

Wilkinson.

4. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN : On the motion of Senator McAuliffe, Senator Mulvihill was elected Chairman. Senator Mulvihill thereupon took the Chair.

5. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE : Discussion ensued on procedures to be followed by the Committee when considering the. relevant Divisions of the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the year 1972-73.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at ten minvtes to ten a.m. until twelve midday this day (subjec ~ to the. suspension of the sittings of the Senate).

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Laucke, Lawrie, McAuliffe, Mulvihill and Townley (~).

CONFIRMED

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J .. A. MULVIHILL Chairman

mE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. Z

THURSDAY, Z4 MAY 1973

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 12 noon. The Chairman (Senator Mulvihill) took the Chair.

2. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of particulars of proposed additional expenditure.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1972-73 -DEPARTMENT OF TIIE MEDIA: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Douglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of the Media:

Mr J. Oswin, Secretary; ,

Mr P. Nott, First Assistant Secretary, Information Division.

Australian Government Publishing Service: Mr N. Boyle, Assistant Controller; Mr T. Coppin, Director, Management Services.

Commonwealth Film Unit: Mr D. Brown, Producer-in-Chief.

Australian Information Service: Mr I. Hamilton, Director; Mr B. Banks, Director, Management Services.

Australian Broadcasting CommiSsion: Mr P. A. Dorrian, Assistant General Manager; Mr D. Miley, Federal Director, Television Programs; ' _; 1, Mr G. White, Federal Director, Radio Programs; Mr R. G. Gifford, Assistant Controller, Management Services

(Finance).

Australian Broadcasting Control Board: Mr B. J. Connolly, Secretary.

Treasury Ofjicial-Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference of the Senate of 12 April 1973, the Com " mittee commenced consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Additonal Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973 and the Parti " culars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year

ending 30 June 1973 rdating to the following departmental estimates:

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I Document* Page Division Department No. I Amount --- --- s A 30 250, 360, Media .. . . . . . . 2,787,000 I 405 B 6 863 Media .. . . . . . . 144,0CO A 48 500-501 Soci

The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A

$

Division 405-Broadcasting and Television Services 273,000 Division 406-Wireless Telegraphy Services 40,000 Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Postmaster-General's Depart " ment concluded.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE

1972-73-DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SECURITY:

Appearing: Senator the Han. Douglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, together with the following officers of the Department of Social Security: Mr K. T. Kimball, Acting First Assistant Director-General (Manage-ment);

Mr C. Calvert, Acting Assistant Director-General (Operations); Mr J. W. A. Waugh, Acting Director (Finance); Mr I. R. E. Wingett, Director (Development Section) Hospital Insurance and Benefits Branch;

Mr F. J. Roberts, Acting Director (Policy), Social Security Division; Mr A. J. Whittington, Chief Statistical Officer, Social Security Division; Mr D. Stanton, Senior Project Officer, Social Security Division; Mr R. C. Kaiser, Acting Assistant Director-General (Rehabilitation); Mr J. A. Lucas, Director (Aged Persons' Welfare); Mr A. M. Menere, Acting Director (Rehabilitation) .

Treasury Official-Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer Senator Douglas McClelland made a statement on the Additional Estimates 1972-73 for the Department of Social Security. The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered

by the Committee:

Document A

Division 500-Administrative Division SOl-Administrative

Document B Division 901-Payments to or for the States

$

666,000 108,800

75,000

Certain matters relating to Appropriation Bills ( 3 and 4) 1972-73 were also considered by the Committee. Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Social Security concluded.

6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE

1972-73-DEPARlMENT OF EDUCATION: Appearing: Senator the Han. Douglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, together with the following officers from the Department of Education: Mr H. E. Hughes, Acting Senior Assistant Secretary, Education Facilities

and Management Services Division

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Mr D. M. Morrison, First Assistant Secretary, Student Assistance and International Education Division Mr J. D. Gal!acher, Assistant Director, Special Projects, Northern Territory Branch Mr R. A. Foskett, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Territorial Education

Division Treasury Offi~ial-Mr C. J. Louttit, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered

by the Committee:

Document A

Division 230-Administrative Division 232-Educational Services .. Division 235-Commonwealth Teaching Service Division 236-Australian Universities Commission Division 237-Australian Commission on Advanced

Education Division 238-The Australian National University Division 239--Canberra College of Advanced Education Division 368-Northern Territory Services .. ,

Document B

$

5,053,100 3,176,400 1j9,000 14,500

13,500 134,000 37,000 f12,600

Division 825-Capital Works and Services Division 826-Payments to or for the States Division 827-0ther Services

334,500 100,000

. . 9,400,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Education concluded.

7. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDmONAL EXPENDITURE

1972-73-DEPARTMENT OF TOURISM AND RECREATION: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Douglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, together with the following officers: Department of Tourism and Recreation "

Mr N . Ellis , Assistant Secretary

Department of Overseas Trade-Mr J. Lewin, Director (Finance)

Treasury Official-Mr C. J. Louttit, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A

Division 524-Australian Tourist Commission Division 534-Adrriinistrative

$

53,000 7,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Tourism and Recreation concluded.

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8. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED . ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE

1972-73-DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Douglas McChmand, Minister for the Media, together with the following officers of the Department of Immigration: Mr S. J. Dempsey, First Assistant Secretary, Planning, Research and

Information Division; Mr L. H. Mead, Director, Integ~ation and Welfare Section; Mr A. W . Burt, Acting Director, Finance and General Services; Treasury Offidal-Mr C. J. Louttit, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A

$

441,000 47,800

Division 3 30-Administrative Division 332-0verseas Service Consideration of proposed expenditure concluded.

of the Department of Immigration

9. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE

1972-73-DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Douglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, together with the following officers of the Department of Health: Dr A. D. Spears, Acting Deputy Director-venera!;

Mr M . Carroll, Assistant Director-Gener al '(Planning and Research); Mr R. G. Walton, Director, Finance; Mr P. R. Griffin, Chief Accountant; Mr B. V. McKay, Acting Assistant Director, Planning and Executive

Services, A.C.T. Health Services; Dr J. S. Richardson, Medical Officer. Class 3, Social and Preventive Medicine. Treasury Official-Mr C . J. Louttit, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division. The following Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure were considered by the Committee: ∑

Document A

Division 290-Administrative . Division 292-Canberra Hospital Management Board Division 293-Australian. Capital Territory Health Services Division 294-Northem Territory Hospitals Division 295-Northern Territory Health Services

Document B Division 840-Capital Works and Services Division 842-Payments to or for the States Division 843-0ther S~rvices Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department

concluded.

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$

121,500 487,000 81,400 1,226,000

482,300

53,000 481,000 119,500 of Health

10. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: Discussion ensued on the format and content of the Committee's Report to the Senate. Resolved: That the Chairman prepare a report for circulation to members of the Committee on Tuesday, 29 May 1973.

11. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.15 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

12. ATTENDANCE: The follow4tg members of the Committee were present: Senators Cant, Carrick, Laucke, Lawrie, Mulvihill, Townley and Wilkinson (7). Senators Davidson and Wright also took part in the Committee's

Proceedings.

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J. A. MULVIHILL Chairman

.THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITI'EE C . MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.3 .: , TJ)ESDA~, ~9 ~Y , 1973 I : ∑' t , ,, ,. ,

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 1 p.m. The Chairman ∑ (Senator Mulvij:illl) took the ~hair.

2. MINUTES: The minutes of the meetings held on Thursday, 24 May 1973 were read and confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered the draft of the Committee's Report to the Senate. The Report was adopted, after dis " cussion.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at five minutes past one.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Carrick, Laucke, Lawrie, McAuliffe and Mulvihill.

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J. A. MULVlliiLL Chairman

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

P9Cument "

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A

A '

A

A

,A

A

B

A

A

SENA TE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MEMBERS q

Senator D . N . Cameron (Chairmart}P' S ~nat

Senator C. B: Byrne Senator D . M. Devitt Senator G. Georges Senator G . C. Hannan Senator J. B. Keefe Senator the Honourable J. E. Marriott

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Min•ter .; Senator the Hon. R. Bishop)

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. Page ' N o.

. Departmen~ ~ ' J . .. , .

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'41 460A66 R epatria t i on ~ .. 0 0 00

59 ~9 1 6, , Defence.∑ ∑ 00 . 0 0 . , ..

752 . , .> . ∑∑∑: 630-656 ,, - 60-61 N avy; 0 0 0 "' 0 0 62 660-675 Army . I .. .. 0 0 63-64 690-710 Air 0 0 .. .. .. '65-66 . 720-746 Supply 0 0 .. 0 0 29., 370-372 Labour 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 862 Labour 0 0 0 0 0 . 67 756 Post D ischarge Resettlement Training ..

..

0 0

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. . 0 0

00

" 0

..

67

I

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757 National Service-Vocat ional Training-Technical Training

Amo unt

$

13,725,000 777,000

16,919,000 11,927,000 21,764,000 5,322,000

1,489,000 375,000 1,000 250,000

" Docume nt A-'Particulars of Proposed A dditional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973'. * Do cum ent B--'Particul ars of Certain Proposed A dditional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973'.

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ESTIMATES COMMIITEE D

REPORT TO TilE SENATE

Estimates Committee D has the honour to present its Report to the Senate. On 12 April 1973~ the Senate referred to the Committee the Additional Estimates for the year 1972-73 relating to the following Departments: Repatriation

Defence Navy Army Air

Supply Labour

The Committee has considered these Additional Estimates and has received ' explanations of them from the Minister for Repatriation and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Hansard report of the evidence is tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1972.:.73 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 6) 1972-73.

The Committee records its appreciation of evidence given by both the Minister for Repatriation 'and the officers of the Departments concerned. The Committee also records its appreciation of the detailed explanations of the Additional Estimates which were received prior to the hearings and which in no∑ small measure assisted in the speedy consideration of the Additional Estimates.

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D.N.CAMERON Chairman

Estimates Committee D

Minutes of Proceedings

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.1 FRIDAY, 25 MAY 1973

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10.00 a.m. 2. ESTIMATES COMMITTEES APPOINTMENT AND REFERENCE OF

ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE: The Resolutions of the Senate of 14 March and 12 April relating to the appointment of Estimates Committees and the reference of Additional Expenditure for 1972-73 to the Committees were reported to the Committee. 3. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE: The entry in the Journals of the

Senate of 9 May 1973 recording the appointment of members to Estimates Committee D was reported as follows: Senators Sir Kenneth Anderson, Byrne, Cameron, Devitt, Georges, Hannan, Keeffe and Marriott . 4. ELECTI O N OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Keeffe, Senator

Cameron was elected Chairman of the Committee. Senator Cameron thereupon took the Chair 5. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman made an introductor y statement. 6. CONS ID ERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL

EXPENDITURE: Pursuant to the Order of the Senate, the Committee commenced consideration of the particulars of Proposed Additional Expendi " ture for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973 and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Addition al Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30

June 1973 relating to the following departmental estimates:

Document * I Page Division

Department Amount N o.

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A 41 460-466 R epatriation . . . . .. . . 13,725,000

A 59 600-616, D efence . . . . .. . . 777,000

752

A 60-61 630-656 Navy . . .. .. .. 16,919,000

A 62 660-675 Army .. .. .. . . 11,927,000

A 63-64 690-710 Air .. . . . . . . .. 21,764,000

A 65-66 720-746 Supply . . .. .. . . 5,322,000

A 29 370-372 Labour . . . . . . .. 1,489,000

B 6 862 Labour .. .. .. . . I 375,000

A

I

67 756 Post Discharge Resettlement Training .. 1,000

A 67 757 National Service-Vocation al Training- 250,000

I

Technical Training

* Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973'. " Document B-'Parti culars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973'.

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7. REPATRIATION DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon . R. Bishop, Minister for Repatriation, accom " panied by: Mr G. T. Miller Acting First Assistant, Commissioner, Manage " ment Services, Dr J. H. Hurt, Deputy Chief Director, Medical Services, Mr J. Donovan, Acting First Assistant, Commissioner, Treatment, Mr G . R. Cadd, First Assistant, Commissioner, Benefits and Legislation, and Depart " ment of Treasury Representative, Mr C. J. Louttit. The Chairman called on Divisions 460-466 Repatriation Department, $13,725,000. Senator Bishop submitted the following Paper: Repatriation Department " Additional Estimates of Expenditure 1972-73. The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered.

Document A Division 460-Administrative Division 462-Repatriation Hospitals and other Institu-tions . ∑I

Division 464-War and Service Pensions and Allow " ances Division 466-0ther Repatriation Benefits Ordered-that the consideration of Particulars of Proposed expenditure for the Department of Labour take precedence Departments.

8. DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR:

$

180,000

1,800,000

10,275,000 1,470,000 additional of other

Appearing: Senator the Han. R. Bishop, Minister for Repatriation and Minister representing the Minister for Labour, accompanied by: Mr K. C. McKenzie, Acting Deputy Secretary, Mr D. M. Halpin, Assistant Secretary (Management Services) , Mr D . H . Warner, Senior Executive Officer (Finance and Office Services), Mr J. T. Ryder, Chief Finance Officer and Department of Treasury Representative, Mr C. J. Louttit. The Chairman called on Divisions 370-372, 756, 757 and 862, Department of Labour. Senator Bishop submitted the following paper: Department of Labour " Additional Estimates 1972-73. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 3 70-Administrative Division 3 72-Public Service Arbitrator's Office Division 756-Post Discharge Resettlement Training Division 757-National Service-Vocational Training-

Technical Training

Document B Division 862-0ther Services

9; DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE:

$

1,477,500 11,500 1,000

250,000

375,000

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. Bishop, Minister for Repatriation and Minister representing the Minister for Defence, accompanied by: Mr F. W.

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Mahler, Senior Assistant Secretary, Program Management, Mr. R. W. Beaver, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch, Manpower Policy and Management Services Division, Mr M. W. B. Smithies, Assistant Secre " tary, Planning Branch No. 1, Defence Planning Division, Brig. R. K. Rose blade, M.B.E. (R.L.), Director-General of Recuriting, Brig. R. Bale, E.D. (R.L.), Director, Civil Defence, Mr H. F. Daly, Executive Officer,

Management Services Branch, Manpower Policy and Management Services Division, and Department of the Treasury Representative, Mr C. J. Lout tit. The Chairman called on Divisions 600-616 and 752, Department of Defence. Senator Bishop submitted the following paper: Department of Defence " Explanatory Notes Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1972-73. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 600-Administrative Division 602-Recruiting Campaign Division 616--Rent Division 752-Civil Defence

10. DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY:

$

600,650 124,450 26,400 25,500

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. Bishop, Minister for Repatriation and :Minis " ter representing the Minister for the Navy, accompanied by: Mr W. H. Bore " ham, First Assistant Secretary, Finance and Material, Mr L. J. Murphy, Director of Financial Programming and Estimates, Mr B. F. McDevitt, Direc " tor of Supply Policy, Mr R. Martin, Head of Naval Personnel Branch, Mr G. E. Nicholls, Principal Executive Officer, Naval Technical Services, and

Department of the Treasury representative Mr C. J. Louttit. The Chairman called on Divisions 630-656, Department of the Navy. Senator Bishop submitted the following paper: Department of the Navy " Additional Estimates 1972-73-Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 630-Australian Naval Forces Division 632-Civil Personnel Division 634-Administrative Expenses and General

Services Division 638-Ships, Aircraft, Machinery and Plant-Repair and other charges Division 652-Acquisition of Sites and Buildings Division 654-Rent Division 656-Buildings, Works, Fittings, and Furni "

ture

11. DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY:

$

13,242,000 2,455,000

201,000

318,000 293,000 50,000

360,000

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. Bishop, Minister for Repatriation and Minister representing the Minister for the Army, accompanied by: Mr J. W. Nunn, First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Logistics), Mr K. W. Major, First Assistant Secretary (Establishments and General), and Depart " ment of the Treasury representative, Mr C. J. Louttit.

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The Chairman called on Divisions 660-675, Department of the Army. Senator Bishop submitted the following paper: Department of the Army " Additional Estimates and Savings 1972-73-Explanatory Notes. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered :

Document A Division 660'--Australian Military Forces .. Division 662-Civil Personnel Division 664-Administratlve Expenses and General

Services Division 666---Forces Overseas Division 675-Repairs and Maintenance

12. DEPARTMENT OF AIR:

$

6,676,000 1,326,000

3,462,000 388,000 75,000

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. Bishop, Minister for Repatriation and Minister representing the Minister for Air, accompanied by: Mr M. J. Madden, First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Logistics), Mr H. Pearlman, Chief Finance Officer (Budgets and Costing), Mr G. J. Hansen, Executive Officer (Budgets), and Department of the Treasury representative Mr C. J. Lout tit. ~e Chairman called on Divisions 690-710, Department of Air.

Senator Bishop submitted the following paper: Department of Air-Estimates of Expenditure 1972-73-Explanatory Notes for Additional Estimates. The following p~culars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 690-Royal Australian Air Force .. Division 692-Civil Personnel Division 694-Administrative Expenses and General

Services Division 698-Aircraft and other Equipment-Repair and overhaul Division 700'--Equipment and Stores Division 710-Rent

13. DEPARTMENT OF SUPPLY:

$

13,578,500 400,000

2,414,500

2,737,000 2,379,000 255,000

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. Bishop, Minister for Repatriation and Minister representing the Minister for Supply, accompanied by: Mr K. McKnown, Acting First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Management Services), Mr D. Barnsley, First Assistant Controller (Research and Develop " ment), Mr H. P. Jones, Assistant Secretary (Research and Development), Mr J. J. Mason, Acting Assistant Secretary (Finance), Mr V. R. Coleman, Acting Assistant Controller (Aircraft), Mr K. Jeeves, Director (Electronics) , Mr A. G. Johnson, Principal Executive Officer (Aircraft and Guided Weapons), and Department of the Treasury representative, Mr C. J. Louttit. The Chairman called on Divisions 720-746, Department of Supply. Senator Bishop submitted the following paper: Department of Supply " Explanatory Notes for Additional Estimates 1972-73.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered :

Document A Division 720-Administrative Division 722-Maintenance of Production Capacity Division 724--Storage Services

Division 729-Defence Research and Developments Establishments Division 730-Working Capital Advances Division 735-Furniture removals and Storage Division 738-Production development Division 746-Rent

$

369,000 1,904,000 100,000

1,636,000 362,000 269,000 676,000

6,000

The Minister and Departmental Officers and Members of the Press and Public withdrew

14. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: Resolved: That a draft Report approved by the Chairman be circulated by the Secretary to members of the Committee for consideration and approval before presentation.

15. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 11.50 a.m.

16. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Sir Kenneth Anderson, Byrne, Cameron, Devitt, Georges, Hannan, Keeffe and Marriott.

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Senator R . E. McAuliffe (Chairman) Senator N. T. Bonner Senator G . S. Davidson Senator D. S. Jessop Senator J. B . Keefe Senator J. A. Little Senator G. T. McLaren

Senator A. G . Poyser

DEP AR TMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED (Minister: Senator the Ron . J. L. C avanagh)

Division

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I 57-58 580--5S4 Works 10 925 Works 56 570, 452 U rban an1 Regional D evelopmen t 10 855 U rban and Regional D evelopment 52 480-490 T ransport 9 890-891 T ransport 13 !70-172 C ivil Av iation 5 254--255, A boriginal Affairs 368 3 802 Ab original A ffair s 27 31 0-374 Housing 6 845 H ousing 19 258 Environment and Conservati on .. 4 865 Environmen t and C onservatioa .. Amount

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751,500 297,000 4.029,000 771,600

30,000 233,200 6,000,000 22,900

325,000

* D ocument A-'Partic ulars of Proposed A dditional Expenditure for tl:. e Service of the year ending 30June 1973'. * D ocument B - 'Particulars of Certain Proposed A dditional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973'.

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee E has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

2. On 12 April 1973 the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973, and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973, relating to the following Departments:

Department of Works Department of Urban and Regional Development Department of Transport Department of Civil Aviation Department of Aboriginal Affairs Department of Housing Department of the Environment and Conservation

3. The Committee has considered these estimates of additional expenditure and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Works and officers of the Departments concerned. The Committee records its appreciation of the explanations of the estimates contained in the answers given before the Committee and in the explanatory memoranda prepared by the Departments and circulated to to Senators prior to the sittings of the Committee.

4. The Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee are included in this Report and the Hansard report of the evidence given before the Committee is presented herewith for the information of the Senate.

5. During the examination of the estimates of the Department of the Environ " ment and Conservation some particular questions were asked concerning River Murray water reaching South Australia. Information was sought relating to factors infiuencing both the quantity and quality of this water, and assuran~es were given that funds were available to ensure a continuing series of studies and inquiries. The Committee draws attention to these assurances and looks forward to further information in due course.

24 Ma y 1973

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R. E. McAULIFFE Chairman

TilE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.1 THURSDAY, 24 MAY 1973

1. MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE The Committee met at 12 noon in the Senate Committee Room No. 3. The Secretary drew attention to the record, in the Journals of the Senate of 14 March, 12 April, 9' May, and 10 May 1973, of the constitution of the Committee, the reference of certain estimates of additional expenditure to

the Committee, and the appointment of members.

2. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN On the motion of Senator McLaren, Senator McAuliffe was elect ed Chairman of the Committee, and took the Chair.

3. CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT The Chairman made a statement relating to the particu lars of proposed additional expenditure to be considered pursuant to the order of the Senate, viz:

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Department Amount No. s

A 57-58 580-584 Work s . . . . .. . . 4,996,800

B 10 925 Works . . . . . . .. 715,900

A 56 570, 452 Urban and Regional Development .. 1,172,500

B 10 855 Urban and Regional Developm ent .. 6,000,000

A 52 480-490 Transport . . . . . . .. 751,500

B 9 890-891 Transport . . . . .. .. 297,000

A 13 170-172 Civil Aviation . . . . .. 4,029,000

A 5 254-255, Aboriginal Affairs .. .. . . 771 ,600

368

B 3 802 Aboriginal Affairs . . . . .. 30,000

A 27 310-374 Housing .. .. . . .. 233,200

B 6 845 Housing . . . . .. . . 6,000,000

A 19 258 Environment and Conservation .. .. 22,900

B 4 865 Environment and Conservation .. .. 325,000

" Document A-'Particul ars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973'. " Document B-'Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973'.

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4. DEPARTMENT OF WORKS

Appearing: Senator the Hon. J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Works, accom " panied by Mr A. S. Reiher, Director-General, Mr W. D. Hamilton, Acting Deputy Assistant Director-General (Finance), Mr A. Miles, Acting Deputy Assistant Director-General (Works), Department of Works and Mr C. J. Louttit, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division, Department of the Treasury. The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were called upon by the Chairman and considered:

Document A Division 580-Administrative Division 582-Furniture and Fittings Division 584-Repairs and Maintenance

Document B Division 925-Capital Works and Services Consideration concluded.

5. DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION

$

4,081,000 235,800 680,000

715,900

Appearing: Senator the Hon. J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Works, accom " panied by Mr G. R. Woodward, Assistant Director-General, Finance, Mr H. S. Griffiths, Director, Financial Studies and Assistance, Mr G. T. O'Halloran, Finance Officer, Budget, Department of Civil A viation, and Mr C. J. Louttit, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division, Department of the Treasury. The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were called upon by the Chairman and considered:

Document A Division 170-Administrative and Operational Division 172-Development of Civil Aviation Consideration concluded.

6. DEP A RTMENT OF TRANSPORT

$

4,019,000 10,000

Appearing: Senator the Hon. J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Works, accom " panied by Dr J. H. E . Taplin, Director, Bureau of Transport Economics, Mr E. S. Clarke, First Assistant Secretary, Shipbuilding Division, Mr C. W. M. Freeland, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Land Transport Policy Division, Mr S. P. Smith, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Coastal Services Division, Mr K. A. Murton, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch, Mr E. H . B allar d, Controller (Finance), Department of Transport, Mr R. F. McCormack, Secretary, Commonwealth Bureau of Roads, Mr B. O'Leary, Accountant, Commonwe alth Bureau of Roads, Mr B. Hogan, Assistant Secretar y, Commonwealth Railways, Mr S. Bolam, Budget Officer, Commonwealth Railways, and Mr C. J. Louttit , Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division, Department of the Treasury. The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were called upon by the Chairman and considered:

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Document A Division 480-Administrative Division 482-Commonwealth Bureau of Roads .. Division 490-Commonwealth Railways

Document B Division 890-Capital W arks and Services Division 891-Payments to or for the States Consideration concluded.

$

328,500 70,000 353,000

186,000 111,000

7. DEPARTMENT OF URBAN AND REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT

Appearing: Senator the Hon. J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Works, accom " panied by Mr L. R. Killeen, First Assistant Secretary, Mr G. R. Andrew, Acting Assistant Secretary, Department of Urban and Regional Development, Mr C. G. Willcox, Acting General Manager, Mr R. Wilson, Executive

Officer, National Urban and Regional Development Authority, Mr K. J. Curtis, Senior Assistant Secretary, Management Division, Mr R. J. Greatrex, Senior Executive Officer, Management Division, National Capital Develop " ment Commission, and Mr C. J. Louttit, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting

and Supply Division, Department of the Treasury. The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were called upon by the Chairman and considered:

Document A Division 570--Administrative Division 452-National Urban and Regional Development Authority

Document B Division 855-Capital Works and Services Consideration concluded.

8. DEPARTMENT OF ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS

$

31,500

1,141,000

6,000,000

Appearing: Senator the Han. J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Works, accompan " ied by Mr L. A. J. Malone, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Operations Division, Mr C. Perkins, Acting Assistant Secretary, Liaison and Consultation Branch, Mr D. O'Rourke, Acting Assistant Secretary, Economic Develop " ment Branch, Mr R. Huey, Assistant Director, Operations Branch, Mr B.

Wisener, Finance Officer, Department of Aboriginal Affairs, and Mr C. J. Louttit, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division, Department of the Treasury. The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were called

upon by the Chairman and considered:

Document A Division 254-Adrninistrative Division 255-Aust. Institute of Aboriginal Studies Division 368-Northern Territory Services

Document B Division 802-Capital Works and Services Consideration concluded.

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$

128,100 12,500 631,000

30,000

9. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING Appearing: Senator the Hon. J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Works, accom " panied by Mr J. L. Emanuel, Acting Director of Defence Service Homes and First Assistant Secretary, Management Services Division, Mr A. J. Selleck, First Assistant Secretary, Operations Division, Mr M. J. Williamson, Director, General Operations Branch, Mr R. C. O'Neil, Director, Management Services Branch, Mr J. B. Elliott, Assistant Director, Finance, Department of Housing, and Mr C. J. Louttit, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were called upon by the Chairman and considered:

Document A Division 31 0-Administrative Division 374--Commonwealth Hostels Limited

Document B Division 845-Capital Works and Services

Consideration concluded.

$

231,200 2,000

6,000,000

10. DEPARTMENT OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND CONSERVATION Appearing: Senator the Hon. J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Works, accom " panied by Dr D. F. McMichael, Secretary, Mr A. J. Ayers, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Environment Division, Mr J. Sands, Senior Executive Officer, Water Branch, Mr L. A. J. Malone, Director, Establishments and Finance Branch, Mr B. S. Wisener, Finance Officer, Department of the Environment and Conservation, and Mr C. J. Louttit, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division, Department of the Treasury. The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were called upon by the Chairman and considered:

Document A Division 25 8-Administrative

Document B Division 865-Capital Works and Services

Consideration concluded.

$

22,900

325,000

The Minister and Departmental Officers and members of the press and public withdrew.

11. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE The Committee deliberated upon its Report to the Senate. The Chairman stated that a draft Report as agreed upon would be circulated to Senators for consideration and approval before presentation .

12. ADJOURNMENT The Committee adjourned at 3.50 p.m.

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13. ATrENDANCE The following members of the Committee attended the meeting: Senators McAulifie (in the Chair), Bonner Davidson, Jessop, Keeffe, Little, McLaren, and Poyser. Senators Prowse and Roe also attended.

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MEMBERS

Senator H. G. J. Cant (Chairman) Senator D. M. Devitt Senator P. D. Durack Senator A. E. D. Lillico Senator C. G. Primmer

Senator J. J. Webster Senator L. D. Wilkinson Senator H. W. Young

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(Minister: Senator the Hon. K. S. Wriedt)

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Department

No .

36-37 410--412, Primary Industry .. . .

398

7 875 Primary Industry . . ..

34 520-530 Overseas Trade .. ..

7 910 O verseas Trade . . ..

45 526 Secondary Industry . . . .

32 392 Northern Development ..

7 868 Northern Development ..

31 390, 394, M inerals and Energy . . . .

396, 400

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33 366-368 Northern Territory .. ..

7 855 Northern Territory .. . .

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.. 2,030,500

.. 1,737,500 . . 644,200

. . 800

. . 24,100

.. 1,500,000

.. 875,700

. . 14,000,000 .. 286,500

.. 14,400

" Document A-'Part iculars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1973'. " Document B-'Particulars of Certain Proposed Additional Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1973'.

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

1. Estimates Committee F has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

2. O n 12 April 1973, the Senate referred to the Comm itt ee the Particulars of Proposed Additional Expenditure for the year 1972-73 relating to the follow " ing Departments: Primary Industry

O verseas Trade Secondary Industry Northern Development Minerals and Energy No rthern Territory.

3. The Committee has considered these estimates of additional expenditure and has received explanations of them from the Minister and officers of the departments. The Committee, also in its inquiry into the estimates of addi " tional expenditure took advantage of the opportunity afforded it to refer to the Appropriation Bill (No.3) 1972-73 and the Appropriation Bill (No.4) 1972-73. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Han sard report of the evidence taken by the Committee are presented for the information of the Senate, in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 5) 1972-73 and the A ppropriation Bill (No. 6) 1972-73.

4. Subsequent to th e hearing of evidence and in accordance with undertaking s given by the Minister during the hearing, further information was forwarded to the Committee in reply to specific questions raised during the proceedings. Copies of the documents containing this further information are included as an Appendix to this Report. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the Department of M inerals and En ergy, Division 865, Item 05-$14 million to purchase pipe for the Moomba-Sydney pipeline and to the detailed explanation provided by the Minister (See Appendix to this Report), in reply to information sought which shows that the total for pipes will be $48.5 million.

The Committee noted with concern the following items: (a) Department of Primary Industry, Division No . 875, Item No. 04. Appropriation $2,013,000

The item is to provide funds for Commonwealth loans to certain States to assist Co-operative Fruit Canneries to make payments to growers. (b) Department of Northern Development, Division No. 868, Item No. 01.

Appropriation $1 ,500,000

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The Item is to provide funds for a grant by the Australian Government towards the cost of constructing the Ross River Dam near Townsville. In each case the Committee was informed that an agreement had been reached between the Australian Government and the State Governments concerned but no legislation had been passed, nor was contemplated, to validate the agreement.

In each case Treasury advised that the most satisfactory way of providing the funds was to include an item in the Appropriation Bill. Although the Committee accepts the explanation made in regard to the provision of funds for Commonwealth loans to certain States to assist co " operative fruit canneries to make payments to growers, in the opinion of the Committee this is not a satisfactory way for the Australian Governm ent to make grants to a State because the details of the arrangement and the policy

behind it are not available for public scrutiny and debate before the payments are made. During the course of the Committee's proceedings, some particular matters were raised by individual Senators, but as an examination of the H ansard report indicates, the Committee was of the opinion that these might more properly be raised and considered during the debate on the Appropriation Bills in Committee of the Whole.

5. The Committee records its appreciation of the assistance given by the Minis " ter and officers of the various departments whose estimates the Committee considered.

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COMMONWEAL 1H OF AUSTRALIA

Dear Senator Cant,

Minister for Primary Industry Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 28 May 1973

You will recall at the Senate Estimates Committee F meeting on Friday that I undertook to obtain additional information on certain matters raised by members of the Committee. Enclosed are statements on the matters concerned which I hope prove of use to members.

Senator H. G. Cant, Parliament House, CANBERRA, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely,

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Appropriation Bill (No. 6) 1972-73-DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRY

Division No. 875 Item No. 04

Appropriation-$2,013,000-To assist co-operative fruit canneries to make pay " ments to growers.

Loans Made (1.12.72) to States by Commonwealth

New South Wales Victoria South Australia

TOTAL

Disbursement to Canneries by States New South Wales

$

781,000 849,000 383,000

2,013,000

$500,000 paid to Leeton Co-operative Cannery Ltd in December 1972, with the balance of $281,000 being held by the New South Wales Treasury.

Victoria $849,000 paid to SPC Limited on 6 December 1972.

South Australia $383,000 paid on 1 December: $205,000 to Riverland Fruit Products Co " operative Cannery Ltd and $178,000 to Jon Preserving Co-operative Ltd.

Purpose of Payments The previous Government agreed to provide State Governments with sufficient funds by way of loans to enable the above co-operative fruit canneries to raise their cash payments to growers to 85 per cent of the Fruit Industry Sugar Concession Committee (FISCC) prices for 1971-72 season canning peaches, pears and apricots, except where cash payments to the 85 per cent level would be prevented by cannery levies. The canneries concerned did not have sufficient funds to make full payments to growers for fruit delivered in the 1971-72 season. These canneries impose levies on growers to meet obligations to their bankers.

Principal Terms of Loans (i) All payments to canneries from the loans to be passed to growers in cash for their retention and, in cases where cannery levies exceeded 15 per cent, the amount provided to the cannery to be reduced

correspondingly . (ii) The loans provided to the State bear interest at 5! per cent per annum, on a reducing balance basis, as from the date of payment of the money by the State to the cannery. Interest will accrue and be payable on any

overdue interest payments, as well as on capital outstanding.

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(iii) Repayment of principal will be in four equal six-monthly instalments with the first payment becoming due on 1 June 1973, and the last repayment on 1 December 1974. The State shall also pay the interest that accrues on the same dates as for the repayment of principal. (iv) In addition to making payments in accordance with (ii) and (iii) above,

the State may at any time repay to the Commonwealth the whole or any part of the unpaid balance of the loan, and the interest accruing thereon. ( v) Should the State not receive corresponding payments from canneries, the State's obligations to the Commonwealth will be deferred to the same

extent as the obligations of canneries to the State are deferred, provided the State has taken all reasonable steps to secure payment from the canneries. Canneries are not required to give preferential treatment to repayment of the loans ahead of their prior obligations to banks and other secured creditors.

Position with Loan to New South Wales

The New South Wales Government sought and was paid a loan of $781,000. This was the amount calculated by the Leeton Cannery as necessary to raise its cash payments to growers to 80 per cent of the FISCC prices. Payment beyond 80 per cent was not sought as levies enforced by the Cannery were expected to cover the balance of the prices.

The Leeton Co-operative Cannery operates a share levy of 7t per cent of the prices payable to growers for fruit. In addition, the Reserve Bank, in arranging seasonal finance for 1971-72 season fruit stipulated that any loss should be borne by a levy on growers in order to meet repayments to the Bank.

As a result of consultations between the Cannery, the Reserve Bank and the New South Wales Government, it was decided that the New South Wales Treasury would advance only $500,000 of the $781,000 made available by the Commonwealth.

Payment of the $500,000 enabled Leeton Cannery to lift its payments to growers from 40 per cent to about 64 per cent of FISCC prices. The balance of the $781,000 has been held by the New South Wales Treasury pending determination of the Cannery's financial position for the 1971-72 year. The New South Wales Government is also considering a proposal by the present Commonwealth Government to make part of the $281,000 balance available to the Cannery even if it needs to impose levies in excess of 20 per cent.

Position with Victoria Loan funds brought cash payments by SPC Limited to growers to 85 per cent of FISCC prices. The Cannery has now paid FISCC prices in full.

Position with South Australia

Payments to Riverland and Jon Canneries brought their cash payments to growers to 75 per cent and 67 per cent respectively of FISCC prices. Riverland has since paid 85 per cent, including compulsory levies. Jon has made no further payments.

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Action in Relation to Legislation As indicated above, these loans made to the States in December 1972 were made by the previous Government in order to provide relief urgently to sector s of the canned fruit industry, where growers had received only a part of moneys due to them for fruit delivered in the 1971-72 season.

Because of the urgency of the need to provide the loans, it was not possible to place legislation before Parliament prior to the loans being made available as, Parliament had risen. When the question of Parliamentary approval of the loans was considered subsequently to determine whether the expenditure might be appropriated in specific legislation or by the Appropriation Bill for the Additional Estimates, the Parliamentary Counsel's advice was sought. He advised that specific legisla " tion, such as was passed in 1971 to cover funds provided to the same States for fruit canneries, would be unnecessary and legally ineffective as far as the imposition of conditions governing the loans was concerned.

The Parliamentary Counsel's view was that it is not possible, as a matter of law, to provide for the attachment of conditions to a payment to a State after that payment has been made. The Counsel advised further that there would be no legal impediment to the Government proceeding, as in 1971, to enact specific legislation if this were considered desirable to give an appearance of formalising the arrangement with the States. However, the Council stressed that only appearances would be involved. He suggested further that specific legislation in this instance would probably appear undesirable to the Government which would be legislating only to cover arrangements concluded by the previous Government.

In the circumstances, and especially in the light of the views of the Parliamentary Counsel, it was decided to include the expenditure in the Appro " priation Bill No . 6 ( 1972-73).

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Purchase of pipe a~d associ(\ted consumables for Moomba-Sydney pipeline

1. How much has been expended?

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2. How much is the value of the contracts for pipe taken over? What is the limit of the contract?

Answer: Total value of pipe delivered Australian Ports

Japanese Freight Australian

$

32,500,000 3,300,000 12,700,000

48,500,000

Japanese contract has limits of minus 5 per cent and plus 20 per cent. Split between Australian Gas Light Com " pany and Commonwealth is:

AGL $

Aust. 5,700,000

Imported 2,500,000

Total 8,200,000

C 'WLTH $

7 ,000, 000 33,300,000

40,300,000 48,500,000

3. With whom is the Commonwealth contracting for the supply of pipe? Answer: East-Aust. Pipeline Corporation Ltd.

4. What guarantees have we of pedormance of pipe?

Answer: Pipe inspected in Japanese and Australian mills by inspectors of international repute. Inspection includes high level hydrostatic test ultrasonic and radiographic examination. After backfill in trench pipe will be given further hydrostatic test up to 115 per cent specified minimum yield. All failures due to mill defects will be replaced by

pipe manufacturer at his cost. Pipe to meet API Standard 5LX-X65 grade and conform with the Betelle Institut e notch test recommendation.

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5. What is the Australian content of _the, ~ontract~? .F. f'{ -~ e~ What is the foreign content of the contracts?

Answer: Pipe material 208 miles Australia , 707 miles Foreign. Total project value $165 million of which 75 per cent is Australian content.

DMSION 396.2.06--BUREAU OF MINERAL RESOURCES-MOTOR VEIDCLES~HIRE AND MAINTENANCE

Question: Senator Devitt How many vehicles were involved in the increased cost of $45,000' associated with modification to Toyota vehicles. Answer: Payment for modifications to 44 Toyota vehicles is expected in 1972-73.

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Estimates Committee F

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.1 FRIDAY, 25 MAY 1973

1. PRIVATE MEETING: The Committee met at 10 a.m.

2. APPOI NT ME N T OF AN D REFE REN CE TO EST IMATES COMMIT "

TEES: The Resolutions of the Senate of 14 March and 12 April 1973 relat ing to the appointment of E stimates Committees and the referral of the Particulars of Proposed A dditiona l Expenditure for 1972-73 to the Co m m it " tees for examination and report w as reported to the Committee.

3. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator W ilkinson, Senator Cant was elected Chairman of the Committee. Senator Cant thereupon took the Chair.

-4. PUBLIC MEETING: ORDER OF CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPO SED

ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE 1972-73: Resolved: That the Particulars of Proposed A dditional Expenditure 1972-73 be considered in the following order: Primary Industry, No rthern Territor y, Overseas Trade, Secondary Industr y, Northern Developme nt, Mi nerals and Energy.

-5. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED A DDITION A L

EXP E ND ITURE FOR THE DEPARTM ENT OF PR IM ARY INDUSTRY :

Appearing: Senator the Hon. K. S. Wriedt, Mi nister for Prim ary Industry, accompanied by: Mr D. P. Cleary, Acting Assistant Secretary, M anageme nt Services Division; Mr A. J. Coppin, Acting Director, Finance and General Services Branch; Mr A. G. McArthur, Assistant Director, Forestry R esearch Branch; Mr F. P. Stack, Executive Officer, M arketing Policy Section, Industry No . 3 (Field Crops Division); Mr G. E. Fewster, Assistant Secretary,

Industry No. 4 (Horticultural Crops Division); Mr A . R. K yburz, Assistant Secretary, Industry No . 4 (Horticultural Crops Division); Mr A. G . Bollen, Assistant Secretar y, Industry No. 5 (Finance Division); Dr R. W . Farquhar, Assistant Secretary , Agricultural and Feed Services Division.

Treasury Official : Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer. The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Divisions 410, 412, 398-Departm ent of Primary Industry (D ocume nt A) Division 875-Department of Primary Industry (Document B). The following particulars of proposed additi onal expenditure we re consider ed:

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Document A Division 41 0---Administrative

$

88,100

Division 412-Administration of the Commerce (Trade Descriptions) Act . . ,

Division 398-Forestry and Timber Bureau

Document B Division 875-Payments to or for the States

23,000 81,000

2,030,500

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Primary Industry concluded.

6. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF THE NORTHERN

TERRITORY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Primary Industry, accompanied by: Mr H. T. Plant, Assistant Secretary, Canberra Secretariat; Mr W. Hull, Acting Controller of Finance, Mr L. J. Wameminde, Acting Assistant Controller (Estimates). The Chairman called on the following Divisions:

Divisions 366, 368-Department of the Northern Territory (Document A) Division 855-Department of the Northern Territory (Document B). The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 366-Northern Territory Legislative Council Division 368-Northern Territory Services

Document B Division 855-Capital Works and Services

$

21,100 265,400

14,400

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of the Northern Territory concluded.

7. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPAR1MENT OF OVERSEAS TRADE:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Primary Industry, accompanied by: S. J. Maliphant, Assistant Secretary, Exports Promotion Division; Mr R. J. Thomas, Assistant Secretary, Policy Development Divi " sion; Mr E. J. Lewin, Director, Finance Branch; Mr I. J. Swan, Director , Trade Commissioner Branch, Mr G. J. Collopy, Assistant Secretary, Depart " ment of Secondary Industry; Mr R. A. Daly, Principal Project Officer, Policy Secretariat. The Chairman called on the following Divisions:

Divisions 520, 530-Department of Overseas Trade (Document A) Division 91 0-Department of Overseas Trade (Document B). The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 520-Administrative Division 530-Trade Commissioner Service

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$

1,427,600 309,900

$

Document B Division 910-Capital Works and Services 644,200

Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Overseas Trade concluded. 8. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF SECONDARY

INDUSTRY: Appearing: Senator the Han. K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Primary Industry, accompanied by: Mr T. J. McMahon , Assistant Secretary, Secondary Industry Operations Division; Mr G. J. Collopy, Assistant Secretary, Sec " ondary Industry Operation Division; Mr N. T. Scrivener, Chairman, Australian Industrial Research and Development Grants Board; Mr E. J. Lewin, Director, Finance Branch; Mr R. A. Daly, Principal Project Officer. The Chairman called on the following Division:

Division 526-Department of Secondary Industry (Document A). The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

Document A $

Division 526--Australian Industrial Research and Develop-ment Grants Board .. , 800

Con sideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Secondary Industry concluded.

9. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF NORTHERN

DEVELOPMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Primary Industry, accompanied by: Mr A. G. Bennett, First Assistant Secretary, Resources Division; Mr C. G. Fereday, Senior Project Officer, Mr M. J. Nicholson, Finance Officer. The Chairman called on the following Divisions:

Division 392-Department of Northern Development (Document A) Division 868-Department of Northern Development (Document B). The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered: Document A $

Division 392-Administrative Division 868-Payments to or for the States 24,100 1,500,000 Consideration of proposed additional expenditure for the Department of Northern Development concluded.

10. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF MINERALS AND

ENERGY: Appearing: Senator the Han. K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Primary Industry, accompanied by: Mr G . J. Tredinnick, First Assistant Secretary; Mr A. I. McCutchan, First Assistant Secretary; Mr R. H . J. Thompson, Assistant Secretary, Management Services; Mr E. B. Waldron, Assistant Secretary; Mr M. J. Nicholson, Assistant Director , Bureau of Mineral Resources,

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Geology and Geophysics; Mr A. C. Girard, Chief Administrative Officer, Joint Coal Board; Mr L. G. O'Brien, Assistant Chief Accountant, Joint Coal Board. The Chairman called on the following Divisions:

D ivisions 390, 394, 396, 400'-Department of M inerals and Energy (Document A) Division 865-Department of Minerals and Energy (Document B). The following particulars of proposed additional expenditure were considered:

Document A $

Division 390-Administrative 407,000

Division 394-Division of National Mapping 183,800

Division 396-Bureau of Mineral Resources 202,500

Division 400-Joint Coal Board 82,400

Document B $

Division 865-Capital Works and Services 14,000,000 Resolved: That the Committee adjourn until Tuesday, 29 May 1973, at 10 a.m. for the purpose of considering additional information for which the Minister for Primary Industry indicated that he would ask the Minister for Minerals and Energy. Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Minerals and Energy concluded.

11. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at six minutes to two p.m. until Tuesday, 29 May 1973 at 10 a.m.

12. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Cant, Devitt, Durack, Lillico, Primmer, Webster, Wilkinson and Young.

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H . G. J. CANT Cha irman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.2 TUESDAY, 29 MAY 1973

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Cant) took the Chair.

2. M INU TE S: The Minu tes of the meeting held on 25 M ay 1973 were read and confirmed.

3. CONSIDERATION OF REPLIES TO INFORMATION SOUGHT BY

THE COMMITfEE: The Committee considered replies to information sought relating to the Department of Primary Industry and Department of Minerals and Energy.

4. DRAFT REPORT : The Chairman presented a Draft Repon for con " sideration by the Committee. Resolved: That the Report be agreed to with amendments.

5. ADJOURNMENT : The Committee adjourned at seven minutes to eleven a.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Cant, Devitt, Durack, Lillico, Primmer, Wilkinson and Young . An apology was received from Senator Webster.

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H. G . J. CANT Chairman

1HE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.3 TUESDAY, 29 MAY 1973

1. MEETING : The Committee met at 7.00 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Cant) took the Chair.

2. MINUTES: The Minutes of the meeting held on 29 May 1973 were read and confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman presented an amended Draft Report for consideration by the Committee. Resolved: That the Report, as amended, be agreed to.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at seven minutes past seven p.m.

5. ATIENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Cant, Devitt, Lillico, Primmer, Webster and Wilkinson. Apologies ~ere received from Senators Durack and Young.

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H. G. J. CANT Chairman