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THE PARLIAMENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUST R A LIA

1974- Par/iamentwT PaJ!I.'I" No. 194

Senate Estimates Committees

A, B , C, D , E, F, and G

Reports to the Senate on Departmental Estimates

1974-75

Brought up and ordered

to be pri!l/1!(//2 Octoher 1974

THE GOVERNMENT PR IN T E R OF AUSTRA LIA

CANBERRA 1975

Printed by Cour i ~r-Mail Printing Service. Campbell Strccl. Bowen Hills. Brisbane. Qld.

CONTENTS

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I. Resolution of the Senate-3 O ctober 1974 v

2. Estimates Co mmittee A -R eport 3

App endix-Written answ ers to questions 11

Minutes of Proceedings 1974-15 O ctober 47

18 O ctober 50

31 O ctober 52

1 N ovemb er 56

12 N ovember 59

3. Estimates C ommittee B ~ R eport 63

Minutes of Proceedings 1974-15 October 67

31 October 70

12 November 72

Appendix-Written answers to questions 75

4. Estimates Committee C -Report 99

Minutes of Proceedings 1974-15 October 103

31 October 106

Appendix-Written answers to questions 109

5. Estimates Committee 0-Report 127

Minutes of Proceedings 1974-17 October 131

22 October 136

31 October 140

Appendix-Written answers to questions 143

6. Estimates Committee E-Report 187

Minutes of Proceedings 1974-17 October 191

Appendix-Written answers to questions 199

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7. Estimates Committee F-Report 231

Appendix-Written An swers to questions 235

Minutes of Proceedings 1974-17 October 247

30 October 250

8. Estimates Committee G -Report 253

Minutes of Proceedings 1974-22 October 257

31 October 260

12 November 262

Appendix-Written answers to questions 265

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RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE

RESOLUTION PASSED ON 3 OCTOBER 1974

9 PART ICU LARS OF PR O POSED ExPEND ITU RE 1974-75- Rej"erence to Estimates Committees: The Mana ger of Governm ent Bu siness in the Senate (Senator Douglas McClelland), pursuant to Notice of Motion not objected to as a Fonnal Motion, m oved-(!) That the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service for the year ending

on 30 June 1975 and the Particular s of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1975 be referred herewith to Estimates Committees A, 8, C , D , E, F and G for examination and report. (2) That the Comm ittees deal with departmental estimates as follows:

Estimates Commiflee A Attorney-General's Department D epartment of Customs and Excise Parliament

Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet D epartment of Science Estimates Com miflee B D epartment of Foreign Affairs

D epartment of Services and Property D epartment of the Special Minister of State D epartment of the Capital T errit ory Estimates Comm if/ ee C

D epartment of the M edia Department of Education Department of Tourism and Recreation Estimates Commillee D

Department of Agriculture Department of Ov erseas Trade Department of Minerals and Energy Department of the Treasury D epartment of Northern Developm ent

Departm ent of the Northern Territ ory D epartment of Manufacturing Industry Estimates Commiflee E D epartm ent of Repatriation and Compensation

D epartment of Social Securit y Department of Health Department of the Environment and Conservation Estimates Commillee F Postmaster-General' s Department

Department of Defence Department of Labor and Immigration Estimates Commillee G Department of Aboriginal Affairs

Department of Urban and Regional Development Department of Housing and Construction Department of Transport (3) That the Committees report to the Senate on or before Tuesday, 12 November

1974.

Question- put and passed.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee A has the honour to report to the Senate.

I. On 3 October 1974, the Senate referred to the Committee the Departmental Estimates for the year 1974-1975 relating to the following Departments:

Attorney-General's Customs and Excise Parliament Prime Minister and Cabinet, and Science.

2. The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received explanations of them from the President of the Senate, Senator the Hon. Justin O'Byrne (in relation to the Parliamentary D epartments), from the Attorney-General and Minister for Customs and Excise, Senator Murphy , and from officers of the Departments con " cerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence

taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1974-75 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1974-75. Certain written answers to questions asked at the hearings are incorporated in the Han sard report of the hearings of 31 October, and additional replies received since the Committee's last hearings are included as an Appendix to this Report.

3. The Committee wishes to draw the attention of the Senate to several matters which arose during its hearings. These matters are:

(1) Form of Appropriation Bills

During the hearings of the Committee in October 1973 Senator Guilfoyle, who was then a member of the Committee, referred to the difficulty of comparing proposed appropriations with previous appropriations and expenditure when the figures contained in the documents before the Committee did not reveal total appropriations from all sources, including the Advance to the Treasurer. This matter was again

referred to during the Committee's hearings this year, in relation to the close similarity between the previous year's appropriations and expenditures . In answer to a question from the Chairman, the Treasury Officer at the hearings, Mr Herring, said:

... we had the position last year- and questions were asked about it by the Senate Estimates Committee- where there was a disparity between the appropriation and the expenditure. In some cases the expenditure exceeded the appropriation and the officers were asked why. We said then that we would examine the possibility of adding into the appropriation column the funds that were made available from the Advance to the Treasurer appropria "

tion. We have examined this and thought it was a reasonable thing to add all the appro " priations made available to the departments during the year in this appropriation column. So we have a set of figures which are very much closer to one another in the appropriation columns and in the expenditure columns. The appropriation columns now include the

appropriations made in the Appropriation Bill (No. 1) and the Appropriation Bill (No.3), the Advance to the Treasurer, and, in some cases, an appropriation made for salary increases. This accounts, in many cases, for the closer approximation of those two sets of figures.

The Committee appreciates the action of the Treasury following the comments which were made last year. It has become apparent, however, that the change in

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format prevents a ready comparison being made between the appropriations sought in the Appropriation Bills (No. I) in succeeding years. There is now no ready ability to m ake a comparison, for example, of the percentage increase in the appropriation. The fact that in the 1974-75 Bill, the appropriations for !973-74 now include the total appropriations from Appropriation Bill (No. I). Appropriation Bill o. 3 and from the Advance to the Treasurer has the effect of making the comparison between appropriations in the current format a comparison between diff erent amo unts. It is not proper to compare the present appropriation for 1974-75, which will probably have addition s m ade to it before the end of the financial year, with the total figure for the financial year 1973-74.

The Co mmittee offers the suggestion that it m ay be desirable to revert to the original practice and to indicate by asterisk or notation to the expenditure figure w hether further appropriations had been sought by another appropriation Bill or by the Advance to the Treasurer during the course of the year.

A second, and very important matter, to which the Committee wishes to refer is the nature of those estimates items which should properly be included in the Appro " priation Bill (No. I)- the Bill for the 'ordinary annual services of the Go vernment', which the Senate may not amend.

The Senate will recall the events of 1964 and 1965, when a Committee of G overn " ment Senators recommended that the first provision for new policies which have not been authorised by special legislation, and for which the only parliamentary author " isation proposed is an annual Appropriation Act should be included in the Bill for other than the ordinary annual services of the Government.

At that time the Treasurer announced that in future the Bill amendable by the Senate would include appropriations for ...

'(e) New policies not authorised by special legislation. '

The Committee, in an answer to a question asked by Senator Greenwood on the placing of an amount of 220000 for an ∑Australian Ombudsman∑ in the Appropri " ation Bill (No. 1) was provided with a written statement (see Appendix) in which the Treasury's interpretation of this principle is that the inclusion of such an item is in accordance with the 1965 undertaking because although the amount was 'not authorised by special legislation ' separate legislation is proposed. This view is con " sistent with the view expressed in a letter from the Treasurer to Estimates Committee C in October 1973 and gives an interpretation to the particul ar phraseology of the Government Senators' Committee Report which does not appear consistent with the then Government's official announcement, made by the Treasurer and quoted above.

This Committee believes that a proper consideration of the deliberations of the 1964 Committee would lead to a practice of not including in the non-amendable Bill an item of new policy unless and until the special legislation referred to in the Treasurer 's statement had heen passed by the Parliament. Paragraphs 11 3 and 114 of the Committee's Report (Parliamentary Paper 55, 1967) appear to explain that Committee's intention and read: (OUR ITALI CS)

113. If such a practice were adopted, Parliament would be protected from the possibilit y of appropriations for any new policie s not being readily identifiable in an omnibus Appropriation Bill. Member s or both H ouses could then approach a consideration or till∑ annual appropriations sure in the knowledge that onh approprimionsjin∑ serrices alrmdr approved H'ere included in one Appropriation Bill, while those for any new polici es not previousl\'a uthoriseda!lractedthe searchlight of attention in a separate Bill. W e think that proper and good government.

114. The Committee appreciates that departmental difficulties ma y arise in deciding

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which activity should, and which should not, be classified as new policy. We suggest that, in cases of doubt, such doubts be resolved by excluding the appropriation s from the A ppropriation Bill for the ordinar y annual services of the G overnment.

The Co mmittee draws the Senate's attention to this matter as one of considerable con titutional and parliam entary importance.

(2) Legal A id

The Co mmittee received considerable assistance from the Attorney-General in response to questions seeking information as to the scope of operations of the Aus " tralian Legal Aid Office, and also as to the distribution of other monies proposed to be appropriated for legal aid. The Committee notes the increasing number of agencies dispersing legal aid and is concerned at the possible duplication , inefficiencies and

waste that unco-ordinated development may produce. It considers that a full scale government sponsored inquiry into the services providing legal aid is desirable.

(3) Levels of D epartmental Representation

The C ommittee is aware that the level of officer representation before Estimates Committees is a matter for Minister s to determine, in conjunction with the Depart " m ents concerned. It is also aware that the practice varies considerably from Depart " ment to Department. During the hearings this year the Committee was pleased to

receive the co-operation of a most satisfactory level of representation, including the appearance of the Permanent Heads of the Attorney-General's Department, the Department of Customs and Excise, and all the Parliamentary Departments appearing before the Committee.

During the proceedings, specific reference was made to this matter (p. 452 of H ansard, 31 October) and the Committee was pleased to receive the comment from the Attorney-General and Minister for Customs and Excise that the presence of such senior officers is of very great help to the Departments also.

The Committee believes that one of the benefits to be gained from the estimates committee system is the opportunity which is available for Senators to establish a working relationship with the senior officers of the public service and the many statutory authorities whose e.stimates are included in the Appropriation Bills.

( 4) Estimates for Parliament

During the consideration of the Estimates for the Parliament two matters of particular interest were considered by the Committee. The first was the problem of committee operations following the prorogation of the Parliament or the dissolution of both Houses ofthe Parliament , and the second related to the 'independence' of the

Parliament in so far as the necessity to apply to the Treasury for funds is concerned. In connection with the first matter the Committee refers the Senate to pages 453-460 of the Hansard for 31 October, in which it will be seen that the Committee members expressed a desire that some solution should be sought for the problem which arises

in the Senate when quick action is not taken to re-constitute Committees following prorogation of the Parliament or dissolution of both Houses of the Parliament. The Committee considers this to be a matter of principle as well as of practical concern and recommends that the Senate should consider action to avoid any repetition of the

situation which existed this year, when the operations of Committees were con " siderably restricted by the application of existing rules and practices to the particular parliamentar y events which transpired. On the second matter, of the 'independence' of the parliamentary vote, it was

suggested to the Committee that it might be a good thing if, recognising the autonomy

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and independence of the parliamentary arm of government, the Parliament had some provision , by way of uncommitted funds, for unanticipated parliamentary expenses, which could be used without the necessity for going back to the Treasury for funds. In connection with this, the Committee refers the Senate to pages 461-464 of the Hansard of 31 October and, in particular , to the following quotation:

C HAIRMAN - Mr H erring, would you not agree that perhaps the only solution consistent w ith the dignity of Parliament is that an additional sum - what the Clerk picturesquel y referred to as kitty- should be voted to each H ouse at this time each year? It does not have to be used but it is available for the purposes of the Parliament without any necessary approach to the Treasury. After all, if the mone y is misspent there are ways in which the Parliament is accountable to the people, who are entitled to wreak their vengeance. But wo uld this not be a possible solution of the problem?

MR HERRING - That is a possible solution. It is a matter for the Government, of course, which recomm ends these appropriations to the Governor-General and to Parliament.

The question of appropriations for the Parliament was previously referred to in the Report from the Committee appointed by Government Senators on Appropri " ation Bills and the Ordinary Annual Services of the Government (Parliamentary Paper 55, 1967) which recommended that those amounts should not be included in the Appropriation Bill for the ordinary annual services of the Government, but in a special Appropriation Bill subject to Senate amendment. Paragraphs 98 to 101 of that

Report are relevant to any consideration of the subject. This Committee recommends that this question should be further considered in the Senate and it may be that the most appropriate action would be for the Senate to refer the matter to one of its Legislative and General Purpose Standing Committees (the most appropriate being the Committee on Finance and Government Operations or the Committee on Constitutional and Legal Affairs) .

(5) Parliament House During the consideration of the Parliamentary estimates , reference was made by members to the poor atmospheric conditions within Parliament House and the absence of any provision for mone y to alleviate the problem. The Committee was informed that air-conditioning of the 'old main structure ' of the building was the long term solution and that some action had been taken towards achieving that aim. A ring-main system has been installed but no concrete proposal exists for extending the existing partial air-conditioning.

The Committee believes that this matter is of sufficient importance for immediate consideration to be given to completing the work and recommends that this consider " ation be undertaken as soon as possible. (The Committee discussion of the matter is at pages 467-469 of H ansard for 31 October.)

4. In considering the Estimates the Committee was, as in previous years, greatly advantaged by the provision of explanatory notes from Departments. As in its report in November 1973, the Committee again suggests that consideration be given to a procedure whereby the explanatory notes might be tabled in the Senate so that they may become public parliamentary documents. The importance of this suggestion was underlined this year by the very fine note furnished to the Committee by, for example, the CSIRO. Senators are well aware that many Staturory Authorities have their annual appropriations listed as a 'one-line ' entry in the Appropriation Bill, and the provision of such detailed explanatory notes might well act as a model for other authorities as well as a fund of information if such documents were to become public documents as recommended .

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In conclusion, the Committee expresses its appreciation of the assistance given by the President of the Senate, the Attorney-General and Minister for Customs and Excise, and the officers w ho attended with them before the Committee. The particular ma tter investigated by Co mmittee m emb ers, and the detailed answers given in re ponse are contained in the H ansard reports of the four sittings of the Committee, (dated 15, 18 and 31 October, and I November) which are recommended to Honour " able Senators for their consideration prior to the Senate debating the Appropriation

Bills.

J. MC CLELL AND

Chairman

12 NOVE MBER 1974

R ese rvation Senator G reenwood desired his dissent recorded and explained upon a ruling by the Commit tee relating to the am ount of$4.6 million in Division 430.3.03. Acquisition of works for and conservation of the National Collection - Department of Prime

M inister and Cabinet. Sen a tor G reenwoo d had asked what were the paintings and works of art on which 4.6 million sought in the appropriation was proposed to be expended. The Chairman ruled and, on dissent from the C hairman's ruling, the Committee upheld the ruling that the question did not have to be answered (Hansard31.10.74, p. 477).

Senator Greenwood expresses his opinion that the resolution of the Senate ought to be accepted by the Co mmittee, namely: That the Senate r e-affirms the principle expressed in the Resolution agreed to in Committee of the Whol e on 2 Decemb er 1971 and adopted by the Senate on 9 December 1971, viz.:

That w hilst it ma y be argued that Statutory Authoritie s are not accountable through the responsible Minister of State to Parliament for day-to-day operations, they may be called to account by Parliament itself at any time and that there are no areas of expenditure of public funds where these corporations have a discretion to withhold details or explanations from Parliament or its Co mmittees unless the Parliament has expressly provided otherwise.

The function of Senate Committees in seeking explanations of items of proposed expenditure will be completely thwarted if the Committee can frustrate a unanimous opinion of the Senate by deciding that it has a discretion. On this occasion the dis " cretion was exercised to protect a Minister who did not wish to provide information even though there was a willingness on the part of the person having custody of the

information to provide material in private session to the Committee. If the above view is accepted, a Government majority on a Committee may prevent any real examination of the Estimates by simply determining that questions need not be answered. This would effectively destroy the Estimates Committees' procedures.

IVOR J. GREENWOOD

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Estimates Committee A

Appendix

M y dear Senator,

Attorney-General Canberra

II NOV EMBER 1974

On 31 October 1974 at the resumed meeting of Estimates Committee A, which is examining the Estimates of the Attorney-General's Department, I undertook to supply further information to the Committee. Attached for the information of the Committee are a number of statements on

matters raised by members of the Committee. I have forwarded separately to each member of the Committee several publications of the Institute of Criminology about whose activities some interest was expressed.

Senator J. R . McClelland Chairman Estimates Committee A The Senate

Parliament Hou se Canberra, A .C.T. 2600

Yours sincere! y,

LIONEL M U RPHY

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

31 OCTOBER 1974

QUESTION BY SENATOR JESSOP

RECRUIT TRAINING, AUSTRALIAN CAPITAL TERRITORY AND COMMONWEALTH POLICE FORCES

I. Commonwealth Police Force Practice I. Each recruit to the Commonwealth Police Force undergoes an initial induction course for one week. These courses are held in the various State Capitals and are aimed at impressing on the recruit the objects of the Force and the duties and respon " sibilitie s of its members. On the first day the recruit is sworn in as a member of the Force on probation for a period of twelve months.

2. For the next twenty weeks each recruit is attached to various posts for on-the-job training , During this time he also undertakes a correspondence course conducted by the Australian Police College consisting of ten assignments. The main emphasis of the course is on the following subjects in the percentages shown:

Law Police duties Official writing Security ..

50% 18% 25% 7%

The course also covers a number of general features and each assignment contains some elements of instruction in Basic English and English Expression.

3. Providing he has satisfactorily completed at least seven of the ten assignments the recruit then spends one month in residence at the Australian Police College where the whole course is recapitulated and extended. At the end of the month the recruit has to sit for and pass an examination set by the College.

4. The College also provides a number of specialist courses which are only for Commonwealth Police Officers. In addition, there is continuous on-the-job training plus overall direction of supplementary training in the larger districts where Inspectors Third Class have been appointed to carry out this task.

11. Australian Capital Territory Police Force Practice 1. Upon induction each new member is sworn in as a Probationary Constable and undergoes a seven months recruit training program which comprises:

" Initial Training .. 16 weeks

" Workshop training . . 7 weeks

" Consolidation 5 weeks

2. The training covers a wide variety of subjects including: " Lectures (mainly on the law and the police responsibilit y) . . 28%

" Practical set ups; syndicate and class discussions and films 15%

" Drill, weapon training , P.T., unarmed combat, lifesaving , first aid 20%

" Typing 10%

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Additional specialist courses are available to each member after graduation and throughout his career. Attached are copies of: " Commonwe rlth Police Co nstables Correspondence

Course

" A ustralian Capital Territor y Police Training courses. This includes the R ecruit Training program.

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COMMONWEALTH POLICE FORCE

CONSTABLES CORRESPONDENCE COURSE

Assignment No. 1 Law 1

Introduction Common Law

Statute Law Study notes Federation Judicial powers of the Commonwealth

G enera/] History and objects of police powers Duties, etc. of Constables

Police Duties 1 Powers of observation Personal description Describing properl y

Official Wr iting 1 Communication of orders Policy and procedure Police Gazette and Supplements Protective Forces Handbook Police communications Official records

English Expression Introduction The basic sentence Exercises

Assignment No . 2 Law2 Initiating prosecutions Limitations of time

Judiciary Act Informations Procedure Particulars of the offence

Genera/2 Status and powers of Commonwealth Police Officer

Police Duties 2 The scene of qime Duties of first officer at the scene Exhibits

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Official Writing 2 Official note books and diaries Basic rules re entries Details of entries

English Expression The paragraph Exercises

Assignment No. 3

Law3 Arrest General Common Law Statute Law

Commonwealth Law State Law With warrant

Security 1 Security of Commonwealth Establishments The concept of security The principles of security

Police ~Duti es

Arrest The Law Mode of arrest Procedure of arrest

Official Writing 3 Report Writing

English Expression Punctuation Exercises

Assignment No. 4 Law4 Search Searching persons in custody

Searching persons not in custody Search warrants

Securit y 2 Security of Commonwealth Establishments Perimeter defence.

Police Duties 4 Practical aspects of police searches

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The Law System Search of the person Search of property Search of premises Property taken into possession Disposal of property Other police searches Searching police vehicles

Official Writing Modus operandi report and supplementary modus operandi report

English Expression Punctuation Part 2 Exercises

Assignment No. 5 Law5 Part I Larceny- Common Law Section 71(1) Commonwealth Crimes Act

Part 2 R eceiving Sec. 71(3) C.C.A. Part 3 Doctrine of Recent Possession Part 4 Section 30, C.C.A.

Security 3 Securit y of Commonwealth Establishments Intermediate defences Plant patrols Restricti ve zoning Identification systems

Police Duties 5 Interviewing witnesses

Official Writing 5

Witnesses statements

English Expression Punctuation Part 3 Exercises

Assignment No. 6 Law6 The Law of Evidence Criminal proofs

Burden of proofs Facts in issue Judicial Notice

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Information Nature of evidence Qualities of evidence Circumstantial evidence Te timony courts will not accept

Evidence of similar Acts Hearsay evidence Opinion evidence Character evidence

Presumptions in law Co nclusive presumptions R ebutta ble presumptions Competency of witnesses

Leading questions

Security 4 Securit y of Commonwealth Establishments Intermediate defences II Search of persons and vehicles Protective lighting

Equipment checks

Police Duties 6 Confessional statements Judges Rules Head Office Instructions

Official Writing 6 Confessional statements Practical application Scene and observation Questioning of suspect

Modified caution Usual caution Arrest and formal caution Statement caution Obtaining a statement

English Expression The use of capital letters Exercises

Assignment No. 7 Law 7

The machinery of the Courts Witnesses Jurisdiction of the various Courts Machinery of the Court

Proceedings Evidence for the Defence

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Evidence in reply Addresses Judgm ent

Securit y 5 Inner defences Buildings Safes, cabinets and strongrooms

Police Duties 7 Confessional statements The Law

The Discretionary Rule Written confessions

Official Writing 7 The police witnesses' statements

English Expression Direct and indirect speech Exercises

Assignment No. 8

Law8

Public disturbances [The Public Order (Protection of Persons and Property) Act]

Security 6 Fire The police function Detection of fire Nature of fire and equipment to employ Duties at the scene.

Police Duties 8 Search wa rrants, process serving and warrant apprehension Execution of search warrants Other search warrants Process serving Arrest by warrant

Official Writing 8 The comprehensive report

English Expression Comparison of adjectives Exercises

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Assignment No. 9 Law 9

Damage to Commonwealth property Section 29 C.C.A.

Security 7 Theft control

Police Duties 9 Part I The use of the Force Part 2 Other police duties Apprehension Use of firearms, baton and handcuffs Police action at accidents, fires Police vehicles

Official Writing 9 Brief head Annexure list Sketch plans

Photographs

English Expression The apostrophe Exercises

Assignment No . 10 Law 10

Assaults Obstructing or resisting a Commonwealth Officer. Assault definition

Battery definition Assault and battery Wounding Maiming Consent

Classes of assault Common assault Aggravated assault Defences

Police action Assault with aggravation .

Security 8 Major disasters Types of disaster

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Initial action by Police Assistance to injured persons Follow up action by Police.

Police Duties 10 Deportees and prohibited immigrants Escorts Prohibited immigrants Deportees Duties of Police Arrest Departmental instructions Offences Classes of escorts Person in custody Duties- general and female Classified material Pay escorts Currency escorts .

Official Writing Preparation of paper for submission of brief of evidence.

English Expression Elementary rules of construction Exercises

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SENATE ES TIMAT ES COMMITTEE A

31 OCTOB ER 1974

QUESTION BY SENATOR JESSOP

COST OF EMBASSY GUARD SECURITY PROVIDED BY

THE A.C.T. POLICE

. The A .C.T. Police Force current ly provides a continuous police guard on the Soviet Embassy and the R esidence of the Soviet Ambassador, the Yugo slav Em bassy and the R esidence of the Yugoslav Ambassador, the Israeli Embassy. and Residence and the Embassy of the A rab R epublic of Egypt. There is also continual mobile

upervisio n by a Sergeant and a mobile patrol covering generally all diplomatic missions to m eet any unforeseen contingencies arising from international incident s or crises. The total numb er of personnel involved in Embassy guard duties for a twenty-four hour period averages three Sergeants and forty-thr ee Constables.

The three tables below give the cost of a twe nty-four hour period for three days this year.

(i) Monday , 9 September- a normal weekday (ii) Sunday, 27 O ctober 1974-a normal weekend (iii) W ednesday, II September 1974-a day w hen, in additi on to the normal guard requirement , securit y had to be provided because of the possibilit y of

demonstrations against the Chilean and South African Embassies.

I. Sunday, 27 October, 1974 Loca/iollS guarded

R ussian Yu goslavian Israeli Egyptian

M obile patrol Supervision

Total

NO T E: (a) M an-hours figure includes 181.25 hours overtime. (b) Total costs figure includes 59 18.80 overtime.

Man -hours

11 7

104 74 35 16

24.25

(a)370.25

Toral costs

571.36 540.16 391.20 181.52

84.48 168.88

(b)$1937.60

(c) The cost of operating the Parliam ent H ouse Gu ard on this date w as 72 m an-hours (including 45 hours overtim e) costing $401.76 (including $250.80 overtime).

2. Monday , 9 Septemb er, 1974 (24 hour period)

Locations guarded

Russian Yu goslavian Israeli Egyptian

Mobile patrol Supervision

Total

NOT E : (a) M an-hours ligurc includes 34.5 hours overtim e. (b) Total costs figure includes $263.61 overtime.

Man -hours

11 7

104 32

24

16

25.5

(a)318.5

Total costs

478.72 41 8.88 214.72 134.64

70.40 158.41

(b)$1475.77

(c) The cost of operating the Parliam ent H ouse Gu ard on this date was 70 m an-hours (includes 14 hours overtime) costing $292.16 (includ ing $73.92 overtime).

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3. We dn esday, II Septem ber, 1974 (24 hour period) Locations guarded Ru ssian Yugoslavian Israeli Egyptian South African Chilean

M obile patrol Supervision

Total

NOTE : (a) M an-hours figure includes 90.5 hours overtime. (b) Total costs figure includes $541 .69 overtime.

Man-h ours 117 74

52

35 31

25 16

25.5

(a)375.5

Total costs 473.47 313.28 205.92

134.64 190.96 132.00 70.40 158.41

(b)$1679.08

(c) The cost of operating the Parliam ent H ouse Guard on this date was 76 man-hours (includes 20 hours overtime) costing $323.84 (including $105.60 overtime).

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

31 OCTOBER 1974

QUESTION BY SENATOR GREENWOOD

PLACING OF PROPOSED APPROPRIATION FOR

THE AUSTRALIAN OMBUDSMAN IN

APPROPRIATION BILL (NO. 1) 1974-75

The decision on the placement of items in the Appropriation Bills is one for the Treasurer. In this case, I am informed that the inclusion of the estimate for running expenses for the Australian Ombudsman in the No. I Appropriation Bill 1974-75 is in accordance with the undertaking given in 1965 by the then Treasurer following

discussions with a Committee of Government Senators and representative Members of the H ouse of Representatives. The purpose of the discussions was to achieve agreement on the nature of estimates items to be included in the Bill for the ordinar y annual services of the Government- which the Senate may not amend- and in the second Bill- which the Senate may amend .

In the undertaking of 1965, estimates items of new policy, for which separate Parliam entary authorisation is proposed, may be included in Appropriation Bill ( 0. 1 ).

The establishment of an Australian Ombudsman is new policy, and new policy w hich the Government proposes to have authorised by separate legislation. Conse " quently, the inclusion in Appropriation Bill (No. 1) of an estimate of running expenses for the Australian Ombudsman complies with the terms of the undertaking of 1965.

This legislatio n is being drafted for presentation to the Parliament in this current sesswn .

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

31 OCTOBER 1974

QUESTION BY SENATOR GREENWOOD

GRANTS TO SUPPLEMENT EXISTING LEGAL AID SCHEMES---1973-74

The grant of $2m in the last financial year was distributed per capita through the States w hich in return distributed the funds to the Law Societies' Legal Aid Schemes or to State Legal Aid Committees.

The grant was allocated as follows: New South W ales Victoria Qu eensland ..

South Australia We stern Australia Tasm ania

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$732040 $557 728 $295 903 $186517 $166143

$61 669

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

31 OCTOBER 1974

QUESTION BY SENATOR MULVIHILL

USE OF INTERPRETERS BY THE BANKRUPTCY BRANCH

The use of interpreters in bankruptcy proceedings has been confined almost entir ely to examinations conducted before the Registrar in Bankruptcy by Official Receivers. During the year ended 30 June 1974 interpreters were used on about 25 occasions. The method of obtaining an interpreter varies from State to State. In Qu eensland, Western Australia and Tasmania a request is made to the Department of Labor and Immigration. In New South Wales a request is made to the State Govern "

m ent Interpreters and Translators located in the Central Court of Petty Sessions. In Victoria an organisation known as the Interpreters Association of Victoria has supplied a list of its members and the languages which they speak, and a request is m ade direct to a member. In South Australia a request is made to an organisation

know n as Interpreter s International. On occasions, in some States an approach has been made to the relevant Consul or a relative of the person involved has been used. Interpretation has generally been limited to the Italian , Greek, German , Dutch, Yu goslav, Hungarian and Lebanese languages.

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.SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

31 OCTOBER 1974

QUESTION BY SENATOR GREENWOOD

AUSTRALIAN LEGAL AID OFFICE " COMPARISON OF WORKLOAD STATISTICS.

Attached are details of the workload of three offices of the Australian Legal Aid Office for four one-week periods from 7 October 1974 onwards. These are:

Attachment A- Newcastle Regional Office Statistics Attachment B- Fremantle Regional Office Statistics Attachment C- Canberra Office Statistics

Also attached as Attachment D is a comparison of duty lawyer attendances at Newcastle and Fremantle Regional Offices.

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ATTACHMENT A

AUSTRALIAN LEGAL AID OFFICE

NEWCAST LE R EG IONAL OFFICE STATISTICS

WEEKS COMMENC ING 7 October 1974

21 October 1974 14 O ctober 1974 28 October 1974

(a) WEEK CO MMENC ING 7 OCTOBER 1974 (4 day week: 7 October 1974 Public

Holiday in New South Wales)

Sta[f ---3 Lawyers 2 lntenieH∑ s (a) Landlord and Tenant (b) Criminal Law and Police Offences

(c) M ercantil e Law and Co ntracts (d) Family Law (e) Wills and Estates (f) Property (g) Social Securit y (including R epatriation) (h) T orts

(i) M otor Vehicle U) Other Matters

~

Attendances br duty lmryer .) 4 Ou/lrard correspondence (includ ing advice)

5 A d1 " ice br telephone

6 R eferrals to private practitioners

(b) WEE K CO MME NC ING 14 OCTOBE R 1974

I Staf{ ~3 Lawy ers

2 lnterl'i eli'S

(a) Landlord and Tenant (b) Criminal Law and Police Offences (c) Mercantile L aw and Co ntracts (d) Family Law

(e) Wills and Estates (f) Property (g) Social Security (including Repatriati on) (h) Torts (i) Mot or Vehicle U) Other M atters

3 A 1/endances by duty lawyer 4 Outward correspondence (including advice) 5 A ell' ice In tele;J!wne 6 Referrals 10 ;Jril'at e practi tioners ((//(/ for Puhlic Solicito r

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2

7

17

52

8

II

4

7

12

4

6

7

19

80 5

8

2

9

II

7

124 17

56

27

225

154 12

78

34 2

280

(c) WEEK COMMEN C ING 21 O CTOB ER 1974

I Staff- - 3 Law yers 2 Interviews (a) Landlord and Tenant (b) Criminal Law and Police Offences

(c) Mercantile Law and Contracts (d) Family Law (e) Wills and Estates (f) Property (g) Social Securit y (including Repatriation (h) Torts (i) Motor Vehicle (j) Other Matters

3 Attendance by duty lawyer 4 Oull\'ard correspondence (including advice) 5 A dl'i ce hl' telephone 6 Referrals to private practition ers

(d) WEEK C OMME NC ING 28 OCTOBER 1974

I Sta/f - 3 Lawyers 2 Intervi ews (a) Landlord and Tenant (b) Criminal Law and Police Offences

(c) Mercantile Law and Contracts (d) Family Law (e) Wills and Estates (f) Property (g) Social Securit y (including Repatriation) (h) Torts ( i) Motor Vehicle (j) Other Matters

3 Attendances by duty lawyer 4 Outward correspondence (including advice) 5 Advice hr telephone 6 Re(errals to pril'({f e practitioners

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7

7

19 57 7

12 6

13 15

3

146 16

64 20 16

262

3

6

30 57 10 8

7

9

15 6

151 14

67 21

14

267

ATTACHMENT B

AUSTRALIAN LEGAL AID OFFICE

FREMANTLE REGIONAL OFFICE STATISTICS

WEEKS COMMENC ING 7 October 1974

21 October 1974

(a) W EE K C OMM ENC ING 7 O C TO BER 1974

Swfr-- 2 Law yers 2 lnrerl'i eli'S

(a) Landlord and T enant (b) Criminal Law and Police Offences (c) M ercantile Law and Co ntracts (d) Family Law (e) Wills and Estates (f) Property (g) Social Security (h) T orts (i) W orkers Compe nsation (j) M otor Vehicle (k) Other Matters

3 A rtendances by duty !clll' yer

4 Out11ard correspondence (including advice) 5 A dvice by -re/ephone

(b) W EEK COMME N C ING 14 OCTOBER 1974

I Srajf - 2 Lawyers

2 lnrervieli'S (a) Landlord and T enant (b) Criminal Law and Police Offences (c) M ercantile Law and Contracts (d) Family Law (e) Wills and Estates (f) Property (g) Social Security (h) T orts

(i) W orkers Compensation (j) Motor Vehicle (k) Other M atters

3 Artendances by duty lawyer

4 Outward correspondence (including advice)

5 Advice by telephone

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14 October 1974 28 October 1974

5

5

17

II

3

I

3

2

7

12

7

3

18

4

10

4

2

6

12

66

10

63

32

171

66

8

60

39

173

WEEK COMMEN C ING 21 O C TOBER 1974

Sta/f - 2 Lawyers 2 lntervieli'S (a) Landlord and T enant 2

(b) Criminal Law and Police Offences 8

(c) M ercantil e Law and Co ntracts 2

(d) Family Law 17

(e) Wills and Estates 4

(f) Property 7

(g) Social Security (h) Torts I

(i) Workers Compensation 3

(j) Motor Vehicle 5

(k) Other Matters 13

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3 A 1/endances by duty lawyer 15

4 Ou/lt' ard correspondence (including advice) 83

5 Advice by telephone 42

202

WEEK COMMENC ING 28 OCTOBER 1974

I Staf l-----2 Lawy ers 2 Interviews (a) Landlord and Tenant (b) Criminal Law and Police Offences 7

(c) Mercantile Law and Contracts 5

(d) Family Law 14

(e) Wills and Estates 9

(f) Property 5

(g) Social Security I

(h) Torts 3

(i) Workers Compens ation I

(j) Motor Vehicle 4

(k) Other Matters 16

65

3 A llendances by duty lawyer 20

4 Outwa rd correspondence (including advice) 68

5 Advice by telephone 39

192

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A lT ACHMENT C

AUSTRALIAN LEGAL AID OFFICE

CANBERRA OFFICE STATISTICS

WEEKS COMMENCING - 7 October 1974

21 October 1974

(a) WEEK COMMENC ING 7 O CTOBER 1974

I Sta.ff - 2 Lawyers* 2 Interviews (a) Landlord and Tenant (b) Criminal Law and Police Offences

(c) Mercantile Law and Contracts (d) Family Law (e) Wills and Estates (f) Torts (g) Other Matters

3 Outwa rd correspondence (including advice) 4 Advice by telephone

(b) WEEK CO MMENCING 14 OCTOBER 1974

1 Sta.ff - 2 Lawyers* 2 Interviews (a) Landlord and Tenant (b) Criminal Law and Police Offences

(c) Mercantile Law and Contracts (d) Family Law (e) Wills and Estates (f) Torts (g) Property (h) Social Security (including Repatriation)

(i) Workers Compensation G) Other Matters

3 Outwa rd correspondence (including advice) 4 Advice by telephone

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14 October 1974 28 October 1974

1

1

11

4

8

4

1

6

2

9

4

1

3

1

1

1

5

30 13

9

52

33 5

9

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(c) WEEK COMMENCING 21 OCTOBER 1974

1 Staff ---2 Lawyers*

2 interviews (a) Landlord and Tenant 3

(b) Mercantile Law and Contracts 9

(c) Family Law 2

(d) Wills and Estates 3

(e) Torts 9

(f) Property 2

(g) Other matters 4

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3 Outward correspondence (including advice) 6

4 Advice by telephone 7

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(d) WEEK COMMENCING 28 OCTOBER 1974

1 Sta.ff-2 Lawyers* 2 interviews (a) Landlord and Tenant 3

(b) Criminal Law and Police Offences 2

(c) Mercantile Law and Contracts 10

(d) Family Law 5

(e) Wills and Estates 2

(f) Torts 2

(g) Property 4

(h) Other Matters 9

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3 Outward correspondence (including advice) 5

4 Advice by telephone

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* The Australian Legal Aid Office at Canberra is not fully operational and will be opened officially on 23 November 1974. During the period to which the above statistics relate the Office was acting only as an advisory service and was staffed by 2 recent graduates in law who were located in rooms in the Office of the Deputy Crown Solicitor.

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AUSTRALIAN LEGAL AID OFFICE

FREMANTLE REGIONAL OFFICE

DUTY LAWYER REPORT

8 JULY 1974 TO 1 NOVEMBER 1974

(a) Adjournments and remands (b) Guilty pleas (c) Bail applications

Total cases handled

Referrals

Australian Legal Aid Office Aboriginal Legal Service Legal Aid Committee Private Practitioners

Mental Hospital Alcoholic Clinic

70 153 11

234

11 4

27 3

2

I

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NEWCASTLE REGIONAL OFFICE

DUTY LAWYER REPORT

ATTACHMENT D

12 AUGUST 1974 TO 1 NOVEMBER 1974

(a) Adjournments and Remands (b) Guilty pleas (c) Bail Applications

Total cases handled

Referrals Public Solicitor Legal Aid Committee Private Solicitor

Salvation Army Local Clergy

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34 117 38

189

5

11 2

I

I

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

31 OCTOBER 1974

QUESTION BY SENATOR GREENWOOD

THE AUSTRALIAN LEGAL AID OFFICE

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LEGAL AID

The purpose of this paper is to provide an outline note about three major steps that the Australian Government has taken in the field of legal aid: " the establishme nt of the Au stralian Legal Aid Office; " the Australian Go vernment grant to supplement existing legal aid services; and

" the appointment of the Legal Aid Review Committee.

Australian Legal Aid Office

2. In this year's Bud get, $12.4 million has been provided for legal aid, including $2 million for Aboriginal Legal Aid Services. The Australian Legal Aid Office has been allocated $8.8 million, of which $3.7 million will be paid by the office to the private profession in legal aid m atters. $1.3 million has been provided for grants to assist existing legal aid services.

3. On 25 July 1973 the Attorney-General announced the establishment of the Aus " tralian Legal Aid Office incorporating the Legal Service Bureaux. Establishment of the Office is the major step the Government has taken to make sure that legal aid is readil y and equally available to all persons in need- particularly disadvantaged persons- throughout Au stralia . Legislation will be introduced to create it as a statutory office.

4. The Office has been established on the view that: " legal aid can best be made available to those in need by a nation-wide salaried service working in conjunction with the private legal profession; " there are areas in which legal aid can best be provided by a salaried service of

lawyers, skilled in the fields oflaw that most affect the ordinary citizen; and " in other areas, legal aid can best be provided by utili sing the talents of the private legal profession. The Bud get provisions will enable both salaried and private lawyers to fulfil major roles in legal aid.

5. The program for 1974-1975 is to complete the establishment of new offices in capital cities and a basic framework of 62 regional offices (Attachment A) throughout Australia that are intended to bring the law to persons-in need.

6. Regional offices will be small 'shop-front ' legal offices - usually staffed by two lawye rs- that will rely to a large extent upon local private practitioners to whom a substantial volume of work will be referred. They will operate in conjunction with local community and welfare organisations. Offices will be opened in the suburbs of cities and in towns and regional centres throughout Australia. Special provision

will be made to serve sparsely settled areas of Australia. Mobile legal offices will be used in some areas.

7. The role of the Australian Legal Aid Office will be to provide a community legal service of advice and assistance, including assistance in litigation , in co-operation with community organisations, referral services, existing legal aid schemes and the private legal profession. Its decentralised offices will provide administrative support for community advice centres and legal or welfare advice groups generally .

8. The Office will provide a general problem solving service of legal advice, including continuing advice, for all persons in need. It is intended to solve the majority of problems that affect the ordinary citizen . Eligibility will be determined on interview without a formal means test.

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9. Subject to a 'means and needs test', the Office will also provide assistance, including assistance in litigation , in matters arising: " under Federal Law , including family law- to all persons; and " under State or Federal law- to persons for whom the Australian Government

has a special responsibility , such as those in receipt of social services, Aborigines, ex-servicemen, students , and newcomers to Australia.

I 0. The 'means and needs' test for the conduct of litigation is inability to afford the c_gst of representation. This is the test applied by a number of Legal Aid Committees. It seeks to avoid the injustices that can occur with a fixed income or propert y test.

II. In the field of family law, the Office will conduct undefended divorce proceedings , ancillar y proceedings and other family law proceedings arising under federal legis " lation. Where both parties to proceedings are eligible to seek assistance, one or both will be referred to private practitioners. An environmental legal aid scheme is being developed in conjunction with the Minister for the Environment and Conservation and the Office will provide assistance in this field. The Office will also provide assis " tance in consumer matters arising under the Trade Practices Act.

12. Other litigation will be conducted on behalf of persons for whom the Australian Government has a special responsibility. There will be special cases where the interests of justice will dictate the grant of aid by the Office. The Office will also prepare simple documents such as simple wills or powers of attorney. It will not engage in conveyan " cing work except in special circumstances, e.g. in conjunction with a family law matter.

It will not ordinarily act in probate matters; it will act in cases of hardship, e.g. on behalf of a widow who is the beneficiary of a small estate.

13. In litigious matters in which the Office does not act, clients will be referred to the appropri ate legal aid body such as the Public Solicitor or Legal Aid Committee or to private legal practitioners on a panel maintained by the Office under procedures ensuring a reasonable and equitable spread of work.

14. Regional offices will provide a service of 'Duty Lawyer' at the local magistrates court. The legal officer will advise persons in custody and deal with matters of bail, adjournments, pleas of guilty and the like. An officer of the Sydney branch office will provide a 'Duty Lawyer' service at the 'Special Federal Court', Sydney.

15. Special provision will be made in the Northern Territory to ensure that adequate legal aid facilities are available to all. There, the Australian Legal Aid Office will perform the functions described above and, in addition , will provide a Public Defender service in the Supreme Court in trials , appeals and sentence matters and in the

Magistrates ' Courts in matters of other than a minor nature. Private legal practitioners will be able to participate in this service. Initially, there will be offices in Darwin and Alice Springs and they will be staffed to provide public defenders as required in all courts. Lawyers from the Office will also travel on circuit to represent persons charged with offences before Magistrates' Courts throughout the Territory. A 'Duty Lawyer' service will also be provided.

16. In the Australian Capital Territory , the Australian Legal Aid Office will provide a similar service to that in the Northern Territor y.

17. The Australian Legal Aid Office will co-operate with other bodies providing legal assistance. Its regional offices will, if desired, act as agents for State Depart " ments or Legal Aid Committees in relation to applications for legal assistance. Its premises will be made available for the conduct of night Legal Referral Services

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conducted by private practiti oners. Consultations are proceeding with State Depart " m ental officers, Legal Aid Co mmittees and other legal aid bodies to achieve co " operation and avoid duplication.

A ustralian Government Grant 18. The Au stralian Gove rnment grant of$2 million was made available to supple " me nt existing legal aid chem es during 1973-1974. The grant w as made available on a per capita basis as an interim m easure with a view to effecting a quick improvement in

the availabilit y of legal aid. $1.3 million has been provided in 1974-1975 to assist existing legal aid services . It will take time to identif y all areas of need and to decide how needs can best be met. The Legal Aid R eview Co mmittee should provide assis " tance upon these que tions and also the ultimate role that the Australian Legal Aid Office hould have.

Legal Aid Review Committee 19. The recommendations m ade by the Legal Aid Review Committee in its first report are in Attachment B. The report was tabled in the Australian Parliamerlt on 3 Ap ril 1974. The Com mittee is presently examining the operation of pilot 'Duty

Lawyer' schemes conducted by Law Societies , Legal Aid Committees and the Au stralian Legal Aid Office.

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AUSTRALIAN ATTORNEY-GENERAL'S D EPA RTME NT, CAN BERRA .

A

REGIONAL OFFICES OF THE AUSTRALIAN LEGAL AID OFFICE

New South Wales Blacktown (opened 15 Ma y 1974); Leichhardt (opened 26 July 1974); Newcastle (opened 2 August 1974); Wollongong (opened 20 August 1974); Fairfield (opened 25 October 1974); Queanbeyan.

Victoria Sunshine (opened 6 May 1974); Brunswick (opened 19 July 1974); Bendigo ; Broadme adows ; Gee long; Springvale.

Queensland Ipswich (opened 26 April 1974); Townsville (opened II October 1974); InaJa; Rockhampton.

South Australia Elizabeth (opened 13 May 1974); Christies Beach; Port Adelaide.

Western Australia Fremantle (opened 10 May 1974).

Northern Territory Alice Springs

Tasmania Burnie (opened 2 May 1974); Launceston.

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B

RECOMMENDATIONS OF LEGAL AID

REVIEW COMMITTEE

l. The Co mm ittee recommend s that funds be made available for legal assistance in C ourts of Summ ary Jurisdiction throughout Au strali a. We are well aware of the deficiencies in legal aid in the Criminal Courts, particularl y in that some people are unrepresented in criminal trial s and other criminal proceedings. The Committee will consider w hat is the mo st effective way of meeting such deficiencies .

2. W e further recomm end that funds be made available to create an effective 'Duty Lawyer' Schem e in the Courts of Summ ary Jurisdiction throughout Australia .

3. The Co mmittee has noted the setting up of the Australian Legal Aid Office and its proposed type of operation. The Committee is of the view that a salaried service has a role to play in providing legal assistance and advice, particularly in those areas of need presently unmet. The Au stralian Legal Aid Office should provide a model of a salaried service and when fully operational we recommend that its activities should be reviewed as to cost and effectivene ss. This will assist this Committee to determine in what areas legal assistance and advice should be provided by a salaried service.

4. The Au stralian Legal Aid Office should provide an internal career structure to encourage continuit y in staffing and a body of expertise in the field of legal aid.

5. The Committee considers that legal advice is seriously lacking in many areas and recommend s the extension of legal service centres.

6. It recommends that pilot studies be conducted with the establishment of Com " munity Legal Service Centres in highly populated lower income areas with partici " pation by non-lawyers.

7. It recommends examination of the feasibility of providing a flying legal aid service for those areas of Australia which by virtue of their location have a lack of accessibilit y to legal services .

8. We recommend that salaried legal services should draw upon the resources of the university teaching programs in the field of legal aid and that students of those courses and other community volunteers should be encouraged to participate in the activitie s of those salaried services in a non-lawyer capacity .

9. The Committee does not favour the establishment of a legal aid organisation that would control all legal aid services . However the Committee does recommend further consideration being given to the forming of an Australian Legal Aid Advisory Commission.

10. Four further urgent needs requiring special consideration are the problems of juveniles , migrants, social casualties and prisoners. The Committee proposes to make a special study of these problems in conjunction with the pilot studies referred to above.

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THE DEPARTMENT OF

THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

Dear Mr Cumming Thorn,

CANBE RRA , A.C.T. 2600 1 I November 1974

Attached for the information of the members of the Committee is a copy of a Staff Position List supplied by the Council for the Arts. Dr Battersby undertook to provide this information following a question asked by Senator Greenwood . Page 277 of Senate Estimates Committee A Hansard, dated 18 October 1974, refers.

Mr. A. R. Cumming Thorn Secretary Senate Estimates Committee A Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

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Yours sincerely ,

J. G. HINTON Assistant Secretary Services Branch

STAFF POSITION LIST

C/assific a/ion

xecutive Officer Assistant Executive Officer (Class 9) Project Officer (Class 6)- Dance Steno-Secretar y (Grade I)

C lerk (Class I) Senior R esearch Officer (Class 7) Senior R e earch Officer (Cia s 6) Project Officer (Class 6)- Special Projects

Project Officer (Class 6)- Training Project Officer (Class 6)- Dram a Clerk (Cias 2/3)- Accounts C lerk Project Officer (Class 6)- Ab original Arts

Project Officer (Class 6)- Y outh Project Officer (Class 6)- Mu sic Clerk (Class 2/3)- A ssistant Project Officer .. Clerk (Class I) (Graduate)- Project Assistant Clerk ( lass I) (Graduate)- Project A ssistant Clerk (Cia' ' I) (G raduate) Project A ssistant Clerk (Class I) (Graduate)- Project A ssistant

lerical Assistant (Grade 3)- Statistics C lerk (Class 6)- Theatre Board Secretary C lerk (Class 5 O .I.C. Office Services Clerical A ssistant (Grade 6)- 0 .I.C. R egistry Clerical A ssisw nt (Grade 3)- Registry (Distribution ) Clerical Assistant (Grade 2)- Receptionist

C lerical A ssi t ant (Grade I )- Registry T ypist (Grade 2) T ypist (Grade 2) T ypist (Grade 2) T ypist (Grade I) T ypist (Grade I)

Attendant Clerk (Class 8)- Accountant C lerk (Class 8)- Administrative Officer C lerk (Class 2/3)- Accounts Clerk

Position Transferred Library Officer - Grade I Senior Project Officer {Class 9) Clerical Assistant (Grade I) T ypist-in-Charge

Clerical Assistant (Grade I)- Printing Clerk (Class 6)- Secretary to Council C lerk (Class I) (Graduate) Clerk (Class I) (Graduate) Clerk (Class I) (Graduate) Clerk (Class I) (Graduate)

Clerk (Class I) (Graduate) Clerk (Class I) (Graduate) Clerk (Class I) (Graduate) C lerk (Class I)- Personnel Clerk (Class I)- Travel T ypist (Grade I) T ypist (Grade I) Typist (Grade I) T ypist (Grade I) T ypist (Grade I)

Clerical Assistant (Grade I)- Registr y Clerical Assistant (Grade I)- Printing Clerical Assistant (Grade I)- Registry

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O ccupant

J. Battersby Vacant D . Greaves Vacant

L. Taylor W . Woodward M. Lynch R. Perram Vacant

D. Walsh P. Byrne A . W allis J. Blazow J. Vogel J. Sheppard J. Thynne Vacant

D . Porter Vacant G. Steele V . Calvert A. Williams G. Nelson

K .lrwin Vacant R . Simon F. Wh yte I. Stevens S. Bo yd

D . Stevenson L. Highfield A. Montgomery R. Gamble T. W arry

M. Hermes

S. Boaden F. Harvey Vacant C. Bond Vacant G. Sweetland S. Corry Vacant

Vacant Vacant Vacant M. O sborne

M . Wallace Vacant D . Walters H . Webb B. Craw J. Granger Vacant S. Bernie K . Weiss Vacant V. Carr

Classifi c{l[ ion

C lerical Assistant (Grade I )- Registry Clerk (Class 6)- Craft Enquiry D rama Co nsultant C lerk (Class 8)- Craft Enquiry Typist (Grade 2)- Craft Enquiry C lerk (Class 4)- T em porary Director , Management Services (Class 10) C lerk (Class 6)- Personnel O fficer C lerk (Class 2/3)- Staff C lerk . Clerk (Class 6)- M ethods Ofllcer C lerk (Class 2/3)- A dministrative Assistant. Clerical Assistant (Grade 2)- Travel .. C lerical Assistant (Grade 5)- Registry (Classifier) C lerical Assistant (Grade 5)- R egistry (Examiner) .. Clerical Assistant (Grade 3)-0.l.C. Printing Typist (Grade I) Typist (Grade I) Typist (Grade I) T ypist (Grade I) Typist (Grade I) A ttendant Attendant C lerk (Class I )- R elief. Clerk (Class 4)- National A nthem Clerical Assistant (Grade 1)- ational Anthem C lerk (Class 7)- Board Accountant Clerk (Class 7)- Board Accountant Clerk (Class 6)- Board Accountant C lerk (Class 2/3)- Accounts C lerk Clerk (Class 6)- Board Accountant C lerk (Class 2/3)- Acco unts C lerk C lerk (Class 6)-Board Accountant Clerk (Class 2/3)- A ccounts C lerk C lerk (Class 6)- Board A ccountant C lerk (Class 2/3)- Accounts Clerk C lerk (Class 5)- Sub-A ccountant (Administration) .. C lerk (Class 2/3)- Accounts Clerk (Payme nt) C lerk (Class I)- Accounts Clerk (Banking) .. C lerk (Class 5)- Supervisor (D ata Processing) Operator (ADP ) (G rade 2) Operator (ADP ) (Grade 2) Clerk (Class 6)- Internal A uditor Librarian (Class I) C lerical Assistant (Grade 3)- Library Clerical Assistant (Grade 1)- ational Anthem Position Transferred Steno-Secretary (Grade I)- V isual Arts Board Steno-Secretary (Grade I)- Crafts Board Steno-Secretary (Grade I)- Ab original Arts Board .. Steno-Secretary (Grade I)- Film and T.V. Board Steno-Secretary (Grade I)- Mu sic Board Steno-Secretary (Grade I )- Literature Board Steno-Secretary (Grade I )- Information & Publicity Steno-Secretary (Grade I)- Theatre Board Director - Research Director- Information and Publicity .. Senior Projects Officer - Commu nity Arts Programme Proje'\t Ofllcer- Community Arts Programme Senior Project Officer- International Programme D irector - Theatre Board Director- Mu sic Board

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Occupant

J. M arsh P. Jones A. H arvey F. A braham Vacant W . Chambers D . Ingall P. Brow n M . Shaw

A . Johnson P. Camp bell J. W atson S. Pearson L. L udw ig M.Moffitt P. Du esbury

Vacant J. R ecord Vacant P. Sneesby C. lublin G . elson

L. Tab-Hunter A. Hull Vacant D . Maso n K . Waddell D . R oper D . Lynch R . L und G. Wi se B. Frost P. K erl N. Patterson B. Thornton B. Brown C. D ale I. R atchford

R . H olden P. Grimes V. A lexander E. Bankowski Vacant J. White Vacant

Vacant M . Co llins V acant J. Croll V acant Vacant Vacant Vacant Vacant J. Taylor

K . M organ P. H arley J. Coo per R . Adams A. Gamb le

C lassific ation

Senior Project Officer (Op era)- Mu sic Board Senior Project Officer (M usic)- Mu sic Board Project Officer (Contemp orary Mu sic)- Mu sic Board Secretary- Mu sic Board

D irector- C rafts Board Project Officer- C rafts Board Project Officer- C rafts Board Secretary- C rafts Board

D irector- V isual A rts Board Senior Project Officer- V isual A rts Board Senior Project Officer- V isual A rts Board Senior Project Officer- Visual A rts Board

Project O fficer- Visual A rts Board Secretary- Visual Arts Board Administn:tor- Literature Board Project O fficer-- Literature Board Secretary- Literature Board

Director- Film and Televisio n Board Senior Project Officer- Film and T .V. Board Senior Project Officer- Film and T.V. Board Project Officer- Film and T.V. Board

Project Officer- Film and T.V. Board Secretary- Film and T.V. Board Director- A boriginal Arts Board Senior Project Officer- Ab original Arts Board

Project Officer- A boriginal A rts Board Secretary- Aboriginal Arts Board Research Officer (G rade 2)-Craft Enquiry C lerk (Class I )- Craft Enquiry

Project Officer- Informa tion and Publicity Clerk (C lass 4)- Me lbourne O ffice T ypist (Grade 2)- Melbourne Office . C lerical Assistant (Grade 2)- Melbourne Office

Dep uty Executive Officer Senior Project Officer- Crafts Board . Assistant Project Officer (Class 4)- C rafts Board A ssistant Project Officer (Class 4)- C rafts Board

Project Officer- International /Entrepr eneurial Assistant Project Officer- International/Entrepreneurial Clerk (C lass 6)- M anagement Services Branch C lerk (Class 6)- M anagem ent Ser vices Branch Clerk (Class 6)- M anagem ent Services Branch

Project Officer- Community Arts Programm e Project O fficer- V isual Arts Board A ssistant Project Officer (Class 4)- Film and T .V. C lerk (Class 6)- Co uncil- Chairman's Office

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Oc cupa11t

I. Campbell Vacant J. Spring S. Gleeson J. N ewm an

M . K err

D . Beeston A. G errard L. Paroissien P. Brown M . W ookey

B. L. C ompte K . Ku ziow N . Yuill M . Costigan V acant J. O 'Donnell J. Murray W . Childs J. Mitchell

Vacant R . Keys A. Chesters Vacant C. McGuigan

K . Kh an C. Fondum P. Arbib A . Bird Vacant

D . Johnson S. Foley V. C onnor D. Mills Vacant Vacant V acant Vacant

V acant V acant Vacant V acant

Vacant Vacant Vacant V acant

Estimates Committee A

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITIEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 1

TUESDAY , 15 OCTOBER 1974

1. MEETING: The Commi ttee met at 2.10 p.m.

2. AP POINTMENT OF ESTIMATES COMMITTEES: The Resolutions of the Senate of I October and 3 October 1974, relating to the establishment of the Estimates Committees and the reference of Departmental Estimates to the Committees, were reported to the Committee.

3. MEMBERS OF THE COMM ITTEE : The Resolution ofthe Senate of3 October recording the appointment of the following members to Estimates Committee A was reported: Senators Everett , Gietzelt, Greenwood , Jessop, James McClelland and Missen.

4. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion ofSenator Everett Senator James McClelland was elected Chairman of the Committee.

S. ORDER OF CONSIDERATION OF DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES: The

Chairman informed the Committee that he had received a letter from the Attorney " General seeking the approval of the Committee to a proposal that, in order to ensure the availability of certain officers, the votes relating to the Australian Council for the Arts, the Prices Justific ation Tribunal and the Film and Television School, be considered on Friday, 18 October.

Resolved: That the Committee agree with the proposal contained in the letter from the Attorney-General.

6. CONSI DERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE: Pursuant to Order of the Senate, the Committee proceeded to consider the particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1974, relating to the following departmental estimates:

D ocum enr* Page

Division No. Det'arrmen£ Amounr

$

A 18-27 120-149 Attorney-General's 62 764000

B 7-8 810-812 Attorney-General 's 3 726000

A 31-32 180 C ustoms and Excise . 5202:

0

00

B 9 825 Customs and Excise . I 546 uOO

A 6-9 101-109 Parliament 9 952 000

A 89-94 430-450 Prime Minister and Cabinet 88851000

B 20-21 920-923 Prime Minister and Cabinet 56446 000

A 98-104 475-494 Science 126 352 000

B 21-22 930-934 Science 14 058 000

" Document A - ∑ Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending on 30 June 1975'. " D ocument B- ∑Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditur e in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1975'

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7. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975-Attorney-General's Department " The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Division 120-149- Attorney-General's Department (Document A). Division 81 0-812- A ttorney-General's Department (Document B).

Appearing:

Senator the Hon . L. K. Murphy , the Attorney-General and Minister for Customs and Excise, accompanied by the following officers: Mr C. W. Harders, o.B.E. Secretary , Attorney-General's Department Mr. C. K. Comans, Q.C. First Parliamentary Counsel, Office of Par-

Mr F. J. Mahony , O.B.E.

Mr B. J. O 'Dono van

Mr L. J. Curtis

Mr N. T. Sexton

Mr J.P. Harkins Mr G . J. F. Yuill

Mr J. 0. Ballard

Mr K. M. Crotty

Mr J. T. Johnstone

Mr R. L. Harrison

Mr J. M. Da vis, c.v.o. , Q.P.M. Mr R. A . Wilson, M.v.o., Q .P.M. Mr W. J. McLaren Mr A. B. French Mr P. A. Seith

Department ()[the Treasury MrS. G. Herring

Mr C. J. Dolman

liamentary Counsel Deputy Secretary , Attorney-General's Depart " ment First Assistant Crown Solicitor , Crown

Solicitor 's Office First Assistant Secretary , Federal Courts, Intellectual Property, Territories and Law Reform Division First Assistant Secretary , Legislative Drafting

Division Director , Australian Legal Aid Office Acting First Assistant Secretary, Business Affairs Division Acting First Assistant Secretary, Justice and

Family Law Division First Assistant Secretary , Management and Special Services Division Inspector-General in Bankruptcy, Attorney "

General's Department Deputy Commissioner, Office of the Com-missioner of Trade Practices Commissioner, Commonwealth Police Force Commissioner, A.C.T. Police Force Commissioner, N .T. Police Force Director , Finance Section Administrative Assistant , Attorney-General's

Department

Assistant Secretary , Accounting Operations Branch Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch

The Committee concluded its consideration of the following Divisions: Division 120-Administrative Division 121- 0ffice of Parliamentary Counsel The Committee agreed to postpone further consideration of Divisions until after the consideration of Divisions 145 (Document A) and 810, Sub-division 2, item 04 (Document B), relating to the Northern Territor y Police Force.

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The ommittee thereupon considered and concluded its consideration of: Divi ion 145- orthern Territory Police Force Division 810 2-04--- orthern Territory Police Force Division 123- Reporting Branch Divi ion 12 Crow n Solicitor's Office

8. ADJO R ME T: The Comm itt ee adjourned at 10.02 p.m .

9. A TTENDA CE: The following m embers of the Committee were present:

Senator Jam es M cClelland (Chairman) and Senators Everett, Gietzelt, Green " w ood, Jessop and M issen. Senator Sir K enneth Anderson, Baume, Bessell, C haney, Sir M agnus Co rmack, Durack, Ke effe, Mclaren, Martin, Milliner , Sheil, Town ley and W ebster also took part in the C ommittee's proceedings.

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Co nfirmed

J. MCCLELLAND

Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO . 2

FRIDAY, 18 OCTOBER 1974

I. MEETING: The Comm ittee met at 10 a.m. The Chairman (Senator James McClelland) took the Chair.

2. Particulars of proposed Expenditure 1974-7~Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet

Appearing: Senator the H on. L. K . Murph y, Attorney-General and Minister for Customs and Excise, accompanied by the following officers:

D epartment of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Mr J. G. Hinton Assistant Secretary , Services Branch Dr Jean Battersby Executive Officer, Australian Council for the

Mr D. Ingall

Mr J. Martin-Jones

Mr M . Tan

Mr D. T. Lattin

Mr A. Lumsden

Department of the Treasury MrS . G . Herring

Mr C. J. Dolman

Arts

Director of Administration, Australian Council for the Arts Assistant Director , The Film and Television School Accountant, The Film and Television School Assistant Registrar, Prices Justification

Tribunal Director, Services Branch, Prices Justification Tribunal

Assistant Secretary , Accounting Operations Branch Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch

Pursuant to the Resolution of the Committee, the Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Division 442- Australian Council for the Arts. Division 443- The Film and Television School.

Division 920)--} b d

. . .

2 ) The Film and Television School. SU - !VISIOn.

Division 447- Prices Justification Tribunal. The Committee concluded it~ consideration of these Divisions.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 3.45 p.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator James McClelland (Chairman) and Senators Everett, Gietzelt , Greenwood and Missen.

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Senator McLaren also took part in the Committee's proceedings .

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Confirmed

J. M CC L ELLAND

Ch airman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO.3 THURSDAY , 31 OCTOBER 1974

I. MEETING: The Committee met at 12.10 p.m. The Chairman (Senator James McClelland) took the Chair.

2. CHANGE IN M EM BERSHIP: The Chairman tabled an extract from the Journals of the Senate, dated 24 October, recording the Resolution of the Senate that Senator Gietzelt be discharged from the Committee and Senator Mulvihill be appointed in his place.

3. REPLIES TO REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION : The Chairman tabled a letter from the Attorney-General forwarding replies to questions asked at the sitting of the Committee on 15 October. He also tabled a letter from Dr Battersby , Executive Officer, Australian Council for the Arts, forwarding information arising from the sitting on 18 October. The Committee agreed that the material be incorporated in the record of proceedings for this day.

4. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-75: Attorney-General's Department Appearing: Senator the Hon. L. K . Murphy , Attorney-General and Minister for Customs and Excise, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr C. W . Harders, O.B.E. Secretary , Attorney-General's Department Mr F. W. Mahon y, O.B.E. Deputy-Secretary , Attorney-General's Depart-Mr L. J. Curtis

Mr N . T. Sexton

Mr J. P. Harkins Mr J. 0. Ballard

Mr R. A. St. John

Mr K. M . Crotty

Mr J. T. Johnstone

Mr R. L. Harrison

Mr J. M. Davis, c.v.o., Q.P.M. Mr R. A. Wilson, M.v .o., Q.P.M. Mr A. B. French Mr P. A. Seith

ment

First Assistant Secretary, Federal Courts, Intellectual Property, Territories and Law Reform Division First Assistant Secretary Legislative Drafting

Division Director , Australian Legal Aid Office Acting First Assistant Secretary, Justice and Family Law Division Senior Assistant Secretary Bu siness Affairs

Division First Assistant Secretary , Management and Special Services Division Inspector-General in Bankruptcy, Attorney "

General's Department Deputy Commissioner, Office of the Com-missioner of Trade Practices Commissioner, Commonwealth Police Force Commissioner, A .C.T. Police Force Director , Finance Section Administrative Officer, Attorney-General' s

Department

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Department of the Treasury MrS . G . Herring

Mr . J. D olman

Assistant Secretary , Accounting Operations Branch Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration : Divisions 126-149- Attorney-General's Department (Document A) Divisions 81 0-812- A ttorney -General's Department (Document B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Attorney-General's Dep artment.

5. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975-Department of Customs and Excise

Appearing:

Senator the Hon . L. K . Murphy , Attorney-General and Minister for Customs and Ex cise. accomp anied by the following officers:

Mr A. T. Carmod y, C .B.E. Comptroller-General Mr J. T. O 'Connor First Assistant Comptroller-General, Manage -Division M r A. Luckman Assistant Comptroller-General , Inland Services

Branch

Mr H . Bates, M .B.E. Assistant Comptroller -General, Special Ser-vices Branch Mr E. G. Dunshea Assistant Comptroller -General, Tariff Control

Mr D. Reith

Mr D . K . Campbell

D epartment of the Treasury MrS. G. Herring

Mr C. J. Dolman

Branch Assistant Comptroller-General, Automatic, Data Processing Branch Assistant Comptroller-General,Appraisements

Branch

Assistant Secretary , Accounting Operations Branch Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration : Division 180--Department of Customs and Excise (Document A). Division 825- Department of Customs and Excise (Document B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the

Department of Customs and Excise.

6. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975-Parliament

Appearing: The President of the Senate, Senator the Hon . Justin O 'Byrne, accompanied by the following officers: D epartment of the Senate

Mr J. R . Odgers Mr A. R . Cumming Thorn Mr H. G . Smith Mr R . G . Mair

Clerk of the Senate Clerk-Assistant Usher of the Black Rod Senior Parliamentary Officer (Administration)

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D epartment of the Parliamentary R eporting Staff Mr W . C. Bridgman Principal Parliamentary Reporter Mr F. W . Temperly Administrative Officer

D epartment Jf the Parliamentary Library Mr A . L. Moore Parliamentary Libr arian

Mr H. Knight Finance Officer

Joint H ouse D epartment Mr R . W. Hillyer Mr R . L. Burrell

D epartment of the Treasury: Mr S. G . Herring

Mr C. J. Dolman

Secretary Chief Executive Officer

Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 101 - 109 - ~arliament (Document A). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Parliament.

7. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Appearing: Senator the Hon . L. K . Murph y, Attorney-General and Minister for Customs and Excise, accompanied by the following officers :

Department of the Prime Minister and Cab inet Mr K. W . Pearson First Assistant Secre~ary , Operations and Ser-

Mr J. G. Hinton Mr W. N. Weidn er

Mr A . W. McCasker

Child Care and Pre-School Services Mr N.J. Tanzer

Mr J. B. Machin

vices Division Assistant Secretary, Services Branch Senior Executive Officer, (Finance and Accounts) Services Branch First Assistant Secretary , Projects Division

Acting Director , Office of the Interim Com " mittee for the Children's Commission Assistant Secretary, Op erations Division, Office of the Interim Committee for the Children's

Commission

Acquisition of Works of Art and National Gallery Mr J. Mollison Director , Australian National Gallery

Public Lending Right Mr R. Hall Chairman, Australian Author's Fund

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A udi10r-General' s O ffice

Mr L. G. Farm er Mr K . F. Co rbitt

Puhlic Service Board

Mr R. J. Y oung

r K. F. Faul

Industries Assistance Comm ission

Mr A. G . K oukoulas Mr K . B. Mourant

D epartment of the Treasury: MrS. G. H erring

Mr C. J. D olma n

First A ssistant Auditor-General Executive Officer, Finance and Services Section

D eputy Com missioner Acting Secretar y

A ssistant Co mmi ssioner, Services Branch A ssistant Director , Administrative Services Section

A ssistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: D ivisio ns 430-450- Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (Document A). Divisions 920-923- Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (Document B).

The Committee proceeded to consider Division 430- Administrative . U pon Senator Greenwood asking a question for information relating to the amount of £4 600 000 in Division 430, sub-division 3, item 03- Acquisition of works for, and conservation of, the National Collection - the Chairman ruled that the question need not be answered.

Senator Greenwood moved - That the ruling be dissented from. The Comm itt ee proceeded into private session with the Attorney-General m attendance. Senator Greenwood 's motion for dissent from the Chairman's ruling was debated,

put and negatived. The Committee resolved that proceedings should be resumed in public session and that the C hairman should announce the result of the deliberations. The Commit tee thereupon returned to public session.

The Chairman announced that the Co mmittee had decided that although it had the clear power to insist upon an answer to any question it had exercised its discretion not to insist upon an answ er to the question asked by Senator Greenwood.

8. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.57 p.m.

9. ATTENDANCE: The following member s of the Committee were present:

Senator James McClelland (Chairman) and Senators Everett, Greenwood, Jessop, Missen and Mulvihill. Senators Baume , Button, Davidson, Georges, Grimes, McAuliffe, Milliner, Withers, Wood and Y oung also took part in the Committee's proceedings .

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Confirmed

J. M CCLELLAND Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO.4 FRIDAY , 1 NOVEMBER 1974

1. MEETING: The Commit tee met at 9.30 a.m. The C hairman (Senator James

McCl elland) took the Chair.

2. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet

Appearing:

Senator the Hon. L. K. Murphy , Attorney-General and Minister for Customs and Excise, accompanied by the following officers: D epartment of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Mr. K. W. Pearson

Mr J. G. Hinton Mr W . N. Weidner

Mr A. W. McCasker

Child Care and Pre-School Services Mr N. J. Tanzer

Mr J. B. Machin

First Assistant Secretar y, Operations and Ser " vices Division Assistant Secretar y, Services Branch Senior Executive Officer, (Finance and Ac "

counts) Services Branch First Assistant Secretary, Projects Division

Acting Director , Office of the Interim Com " mittee for the Children's Commission

Assistant Secretary , Operations Division, Office of the Interim Committee for the Children's Commission

Acquisition of Works of Art and National Gallery Mr J. Mollison Director , Australian National Gallery

Public Lending Right Mr R. Hall

Auditor-General's Office Mr L. G. Farmer Mr K. F. Corbitt

Public Service Board Mr R. J. Young Mr K. F. Faul

Industries Assistance Commission Mr A. G. Koukoulas Mr K. B. Mourant

Chairman, Australian Author's Fund

First Assistant Auditor-General. Executive Officer, Finance and Services Section

Deputy Commissioner Acting Secretar y

Assistant Commissioner, Services Branch Assistant Director , Administrative Services Section

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Depal"lln l:'/11 o{ t!w Treasun∑ MrS. G. H erring

Mr C. J. D olman

Assistant Secretary, A ccounting Op erations Branch Senior Finance Officer, A ccounting Op erations Branch

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 430-450- D epartmen t of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (D ocum ent A).

D ivisions 920-923- D epartment of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (Document B )

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditur e for the D epartment of the Prime M inister and Cabinet.

3. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Science

AJ!JWOI' ill g .-Senator the H on. L. K . M urphy, A ttorney-General and Minister f or C ustom s and Excise. accompanied by the follow ing officers : D epart111e11t o{ Science

M r A. F. R ainbird

Mr P. B. Free

MrC. A. Webster

M r W. N . Hurst

M r P. W . O'Brien

Mr K. J. Wal she

Mr . C. MacM ullen

CS!RO M r R. W. V iney

M r P. F. B utler

MrS . Lattimore

Mr I. C. Bogg

Department of' the Treasurr M r S. G. H erring

Mr C. J. D olman

A cting First Assistant Secretary, Policy Division Senior Assistant Secretary, G eneral Services Division Assistant Secretary, M anagem ent Services

Branch A ssistant Secretar y, Research Branch Assistant Co mmi ssioner (Administration), Patents, Trade M arks and D esign Offices

Executive Officer (Finance). Bureau of M eteorology Executive Officer, M etric Co nversion Board

Senior Assistant Secretary (Finance and Property) Senior Assistant Secretary, A gricultur al and Biological Sciences Senior Assistant Secretary, Industri al and

Physical Sciences C hief Finance O fficer

Assistant Secretary, Acco unting Operations Branch Senior Finance Officer, A ccounting Operations Branch

The C hairman called on the follow ing Divisions for consideration. D ivisions 475-494-D epartment of Science (D ocume nt A). Divisions 930-934-D epartment of Science (D ocum ent B).

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Science.

4. DRAFT REPORT: It was agreed that a draft report to the Senate be prepared for consideration by the Committee.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.33 a.m.

6. ATTENDANCE : The following members of the Committee were present: Senator James McClelland (Chairman), Senators Everett and Missen.

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Confirmed

J. MCCLELLAND Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO.5 TUESDAY , 12 NOVEMBER 1974

I. MEETING: The Committee met at I p.m. The Chairman (Senator James Mc C lelland) took the Chair.

2. MI U TES : The Minutes of the meetings held on 15, 18, and 31 October and 1 November were read and confirmed, with an amendment to those for 31 October.

3. R EPLIES TO REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION: The Chairman tabled a letter from the Attorney-General and Minister for Customs and Excise, dated 11 ovemb er, forwarding information relating to questions asked at a previous sitting of the Committee. The Secretary tabled a similar letter from Mr Hinton, Assistant Secretar y, Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. It was agreed that the infor " m ation should be included as an Appendix to the Committee's Report to the Senate.

4. DRAFT REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman presented a Draft Report for the Committee's consideration. The Committee proposed amendments to the Report and agreed that the amendments be circulated for approval before inclusion in the final Report. Senator Greenwood indicated that he would attach a reservation to the Report.

5. ADJOURNMENT : The Committee adjourned at 2.15 p.m.

6. A TTENDA CE: The following members of the Committee were presen!: Senator James McClelland (Chairman), Senators Greenwood, Jessop, Missen and Mul vihilL

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Certified Correct

J. MCCLELLAND Chairman

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE 8

REPORT TO THE SENATE

I. Estima tes Co mm ittee B has the honour to Report to the Senate.

2. On 3 O ctober 1974 the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of E timates for the year 197 75 relating to the following Departments: oreign Affairs Services and Property

Special Minister of State Capital Territor y

3. The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received explanations from the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Officers of the various Departments. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and the Han sard reports of the evidence taken by the Co mmittee are tabled for the information of the Senate, in connection with the

Ap propriati on Bill ( o. I) 1974-75 and the Appropriation Bill (No.2) 1974-75.

4. The C ommittee had difficult y in obtaining all the information required in relation to its investigation of the Estimates of the Department of Foreign Affairs . This was for two reasons. Firstly, there were no Officers present from the International O rganisations Division of the Department and therefore the Committee was unable

to obtain satisfactor y replies to questions relating , in particular , to Australia 's activitie s at the United ations and its participation in the various agencies of the U nited ations. Secondly, the Committee was disappointed that more senior advisers on departmental policy were not present to be examined.

5. The Committee was concerned at the lack of any detailed report to the Parliament relating to Australia 's aid projects and thanks the Minister for his assurance that planning is in progress to prepare and table, on a regular basis, a publication informing the Parliament of the nature of particular aid projects and the progress that has been reached in finalising these projects.

6. The Committee is also concerned at the number of single-line appropriations w hich it was asked to consider. It accepts the assurance of the Minister that Depart " m ental Officers will consult with Officers of the Treasury with a view to ensuring that in future years these amounts will be itemised in order to indicate the nature of expenditure .

7. The Committee places on record its appreciation of the detailed written expla " nations which were provided to Senators prior to the hearings, and also the evidence given by the Minister for Foreign Affairs and the Officers of the various Departments, who assisted the Minister, during the inquiry.

8. After the completion of the Committee hearings, additional information was received from the Minister and his Department in reply to questions asked by Senators during the inquiry. This information is included as an Appendix to the Report.

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J. N. BUTTON

Chairman

E stimates Committee B

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO.1 TUESDAY, 15 OCTOBER 1974

l. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m.

2. ESTA BLISHMENT OF COMMITTEE AND REFERENCE OF PAR "

TICU LARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1974--75: The Resolutions of the Senate of 1 and 3 October 1974 establishing Estimates Committees and referring the Particular s of Proposed Expenditure for 1974--75 to them for examination and report were reported to the Committee.

3. MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE: The entry in the Journals of the Senate of 3 October 1974, relating to the appointment of members of Estimates Committees was reported to the Committee. Estimates Comm ittee B to consist of: Senator J. N. Button

Senator J. L. Carrick Senator G . S. Davidson Senator D. L. Grimes Senator G . D. Mcintosh Senator J.P. Sim

4. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Carrick, Senator Button was elected Chairman of the Commi ttee. Senator Button thereupon took the Chair.

5. STATEMENT BY CHAI R MAN: The C hairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the Particu lars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975, and stated that, pursuant to the Order of the Senate of 3 October 1974, the Com m ittee wo uld consider the following departmental estimates :

Documem * Page

Division

Department Amount

No.

$

A 43-50 250-258 Foreign Affairs 354265 000

B 11 856-862 Foreign Affairs 55 727000

A 105-108 515-523 Services and Property 83310000

B 22-23 940 Services and Property 32 325 000

Defence Research and Development Establish -ments (Manufacturing Industry)

A 69 328 - Acquisition of Sites and Buildings .. I 000

A 69 329 - Rent .. 72000

A 142 629 Rent (Defence) .. 17002000

A 142 631 Acqu isition of Sites and Buildings (Defence) .. 15 652 000

A 112-121 535-549 Special M inister of State 66296000

B 24 950 Special Minister of State 448 000

A 28-30 152-155 Capital Territory 30 639 000

B 8 815 Capital Territory 29411000

* Docum ent A-'Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending on 30 June 1975'. * Document B-'Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1975'.

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6. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Foreign Affairs

Appearing: Senator the Hon. D. R . Willesee, Minister for Foreign Affairs, accompanied by the follow ing officers: Mr A. L. Fogg, Assistant Secretary

Mr L. E. Phillip s, Cultural Relations Section Mr R . E. Johns, Director (Finance) Mr I. Me szes, Acting Finance Officer (Estimates) Mr A. A . Hillier , Assistant Director , Overseas Property Bureau Mr N. A. Richardson, Princip al Executive Officer (ADP), O verseas Property Bureau Office Agency-the Australian Development Assistance Agency-

Mr L. W . Temby , Assistant Director-General (Finance) Mr R. G . Spratt , Assistant Director-General (Operations) Mr E. Ingevics, Acting Assistant Director -General (M ulti-l ateral Organisations) Mr R. P. Throssell , Acting Assistant Director-General (International Training and Education) Mr B. Bray (Director, Liaison and Services) Mr N. W. Hunt, Officer-in-Charge (Budgets and Programming) Treasury Officials:

Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer (Accounting and Supply Division) Mr E. 1. Flood, Finance Officer (Accounting and Supply Division) The Chairman called upon the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 250-258- Department of Foreign Affairs (Document A) $354 265 000

Divisions 856--862- Department of Foreign Affairs (Document B) $55 727 000

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Foreign Affairs.

7. Particulars of proposed expenditure 197 4-1975: Department of Services and Property Appearing: Senator the Han. D . R. Willesee, Minister for Foreign Affairs , accompanied by the following officers:

Mr B. H. Coughlin, Acting Assistant Secretary (Management Services) Mr G. T. O 'Connor, Acting Director (Finance) Mr M. W . Frankcom, Assistant Secretary (Land) Mr J. R. Clark, Assistant Secretary (Planning and Review) Mr B. J. Franklin, Acting Executive Officer (Programming) Mr P. Woodham, Director (Parliamentary and Special Projects) Mr C. G. Van Senden, Assistant Surveyor-General Mr C. J. Rowe , Executive Officer (Australian Electoral Office) Mr B. W . Palmer, Director (Management Consultancy)

Treasury Officials: Mr A . L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer (Accounting and Supply Division) Mr E. J. Flood, Finance Officer (Accounting and Supply Division)

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The Chairman called upon the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 515-523- Department of Services and Property (Document A) Division 940- Department of Services and Property

(Document B) Division 328- Defence Research and Development Establishments (Manufacturing Industry)-- Acquisi " tion of Sites and Buildings (Document A) Division 329- Defence Research and Development

Establishments (Manufacturing lndustry )--Rent (D ocument A) Division 629- Rent (Defence) (Document A) Division 631- Acquisition of Sites and Buildings

(Defence) (Document A)

$83 310000

$32 325000

$1000

$72000 $17 002 000

$15 652 000

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Services and Property.

8. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.05 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

9. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Button, Carrick, Davidson, Grimes, Mcintosh and Sim (6). Senators Sir Kenneth Anderson, Sir Magnus Cormack, Baume and Mulvihill also took part in the Committee proceedings .

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Confirmed

J. N. BUTTON Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCE EDINGS

NO.2

THURSDAY , 31 OCTOBER 1974

I. MEETING: The Committee met at 12.11 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Button) took the Chair.

2 Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of the Special Minister of State Appearing : Senator the Hon . D . R. Willesee, Minister for Foreign Affairs , accompanied by the following officers:

Mr P. J. Galvin, Assistant Secretary , Ministerial and Management Services Branch Mr R. A . Wise, Assistant Secretary (Royal Commissions) Mr I. D. Gillespie , Acting Director (Establishments and Finance) Mr P. D. Priestly , Finance Officer Mr J. Mears, Finance Officer Mr C. Campbe ll, Senior Executive Officer, Island Territories Branch Mr I. McLean , Acting Director , Australian Archives Mr W . O'Neill, Executive Officer, Australian Archives. Grants Commission :

Mr B. Major, Assistant Secretary , Local Government Finances Mr G . Rayner, Administrative Officer Australian Bureau of Statistics: Mr A . R . Bagnall, Assistant Statistician , Management Services Branch

Mr J. Butler, Director (Finance and General) National Library of Australia: Mr W. D. Richardson, Assistant Director-Gener al, Co-ordination and Policy Branch

Mr G . F. Clark, Director , Management Services Branch

Treasury Officials : Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division Mr E. J. Flood, Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Chairman called upon the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 535-549- Department of the Special Minister of State (Document A) . . $66 296 000

Division 950- Department of the Special Minister of State (Document B) $448 000

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the D epartment of the Special Minister of State.

3. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of the Capital Territory

Appearing: Senator the Hon. D . R . Willesee, Minister for Foreign Affairs and Senator the Hon. K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Agriculture , accompanied by the following officers:

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Mr R . C. Burrough, Acting Assistant Secretary (Finance and Supply) Mr J. A . Turner, Director (Organisation , Classification and Methods) Mr R. Smeaton, Acting Director (Personnel and Services) Mr L. J. Hu ston, Executive As sistant (Sma ller Territori es) Mr W. E. Law rence, A ssistant Secretary (Public Finance) M r E. C. Daly, Acting Assistant Secretary (City Services) Mr J. C. McF arland, A ssistant Secretary (Prices and Co mmercial Practice s)

Mr J. S. Brigg, Assistant Secretar y (Recreation and Tourism) M r B. C. Darke, Assistant Secretary (Transport) Mr G. M essiter, Director (Traffic) M rD. W . Shoo bridge, Director (City Parks Administration) Mr P. C. O 'Clery, Assistant Secretary (Land Policy) Mr M . W. Edgerley, Director (Forests) Mr G . A. O 'Meara, Acting Director (Conservation and Agriculture)

Mr J. M. H erner, Assistant Secretary (Welfare) M r H . F. D aly, Acting Director (Loans and Finance) Mr . Braidwood, Director (Information and Public Relations) M r C. R . Alexander, Executive Officer (Administrative Planning and Develop " m ent) Mr G. W. Dunb ar, Acting Finance Officer (Budgeting and Works Programming)

Treasurv O fficials: M r A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer (Accounting and Supply Division) M r E. J. Flood, Finance Officer (Accounting and Supply Division) The Chairman called upon the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 152-155- Department of the Capital Territory (Document A) £30 639 000

Division 815- D epartment of the Capital Territor y (Document B) £29 411 000

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of the Capital Territory.

4. D ELIBE RATIVE MEETING: For the purpose of considering the preparation of a draft report the Committee went into deliberative session. It was agreed after debate- that a draft report be prepared by the Chairman and forwarded to each m ember for consideration, and that the Committee would meet again at 9.30 a.m. on Tuesday, I 2 November I 974 to consider the draft report.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 3.30 p.m. until 9.30 a.m. on Tuesday, 12 November 1974.

6. A TIE DA CE: The following members of the Committee were present:

Senators Button, Davidson, Grimes, Mcintosh and Sim (5).

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Confirmed

J. N. BUTTON Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO.3 TUESDAY , 12 NOVEMBER 1974

I. MEETING : The Committee metat9.45 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Button) took the Chair.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES : On the motion of Senator Davidson the Minutes of the previous meetings were confirmed.

3. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT : The Committee considered the draft report distributed by the Chairman and on the motion of Senator Carrick the draft report was adopted.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.00 a.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Button, Carrick and Da vidson (3).

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J. N. BUTTON Chairman

Estimates Committee B

Appendix

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

The Secretary Estimates Comm itt ee B The Senate Parliall)e nt H ouse CAN BERRA , A.C.T. 2600

CA BERRA, A.C.T. 2600 I November 1974

The following sets out the additional information asked for by your Committee on Tuesday 15 October 1974 during the consideration of the Estimates for this D epartment for financial year 1974-75.

BUDGETARY MATTERS RELATING TO THE UNITED NATIONS

I. As a general starting point, it can be said that the programs and budgets of the organisations are prepared by the respective Secretariats following broad Conference discussions between the member State and sometimes the adoption of specific resolutions setting priorities for the organisation's activities. The draft detailed program and budget is discussed by a committee (which has various names in the different organisations) on which Australia is often but not always represented. If we are not member s, Australia can still attend and take part in discussion but cannot vote. The annual report of the Secretariat and the annual accounts and report of the external auditor thereon are discussed and passed by the major legislative body of w hich Australia is always a member . Apart from the Department of Foreign

Affairs, Treasury and relevant specialist departments (e.g. Primary Industry in the case of the Food and Agriculture Organisation) participate in our own consideration of the budget and program before instructions are passed to the Australian Delegation on how it should react. Regular reviews are m ade by these Departments of the pro "

grams of the United Nations and its Specialised Agencies and consultation takes place with other like-minded countries to determine to what extent we may be able to direct them towards meeting our own particular functional or regional interests. Inevitabl y, however, the programs of such organisations must take into account a variet y of sometimes competing requirements. We cannot mould them to our own

needs, but we try to ensure that our needs are recognised to a reasonable degree.

2. When programs/budgets are increased , providing there is no change in the scale of assessments (discussed hereunder) an increase of 10 per cent in a budget over that of the previous year would result in the same increase in all member States' con " tributions.

3. The United Nations regular budget has in the past been approved by the General A ssembly on an annual basis. (The budget was approved on a biennial basis for 1974-75 .) Member States are required to contribute to the expenses of the budget in accordance with a scale of contributions determined by the Committee on Con " tributions and approved by the General Assembly. Australia has been a member of

the Committee of Contributions and takes a prominent part in discussions in the Fifth Committee of the UNGA which considers budgetary questions.

4. The draft scale of contributions is based mainly on statistics provided by Member States. Other information is used to supplement that provided, e.g. World Bank

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Statistic s, particularl y in the case of developing countries whose national statistics are still in a rudimentary stage. Broadly speaking the scale of contributions is based on relative capacity to pay. It follows, therefore , that as the GNP of member s increases at a faster rate than that of other members, e.g. from oil revenues, their share of budget costs would also increase. The recent large increases in receipts of oil rich countries is not yet reflecte d in the scale of contributi ons. Further detail is show n in A nn_ex A

which is an extract from the report of the Committee of Contributions to the twe nty " eighth session of the General Assembly. (The full report is available in the Parlia " mentary Library as Supplement No. II (A/9011 ) ).

5. During the initial period of the United Nations, the United States contributed over 40 per cent of the costs of the Organisation because of her high share arising from a simple application of the ability to pay basis. Even then, how ever, it was recognised that too high a share should not be paid by any one Member State and the Assemb ly agreed that the U nited States ' contrib ution should be reduced to 30 per cent by stages

using contributions from new m embers, and by mean s of increa ed contributions from those m ember states w hose abilit y to pay had also increased. For the triennium 1971/72/73, the U nited States was assessed at 31.52 per cent. o other Memb er State could be said to be in a comparable position to the U nited States.

6. R ecently, the U nited States Congress decided that as the financial position of the United States had declined to such an extent w hen com pared w ith the other developed countries , that it was reasonable that the U nited States a se sment be reduced to 25 per cent over a period but that no m emb er State should suffer thereby. The nited Nations agreed and in the scale of contributi ons for 1974-76 that f or the U nited States was fixed at 25 per cent. The reduction in its contribution was more than equalled by the admi sion to the United ations in 1973 of the two Germ anies (their assessments total 8.32 per cent).

7. At the end of 1973 the U nited ations was in debt to the extent of$ US87.5 million, brought about e entially by peace-keeping expenditur es and non-paym ent of con " tributions by ome M ember States. The debts have been funded partly from the receipts from the nited Nation Bond I ue (to which ustralia contribut ed U 4 million) and from the Working Capital Fund. Although the nited ation can be

aid to live financially from day to day, it po ition i not critical. The ecretary " General has recentl y reque ted M ember State to make voluntary contribution to assist and relieve it present financial difficu ltie .

8. The cale of a e ment for ILO , WHO , CO and F are baed directly

on that of the nited ati n , allowance being made for diff erent memb ership. (A ustralian repre entative participate in and vote n deci ion made n these matter .) The I calc i ba cd on the nitcd ations scale. but a!. o c ntain an element ~ r payme nt of∑ afeguard ': the developed countrie pa at a much higher rate than do the developing countrie . D etail of contribut ion ale are a ailablc in docum ent rela ting to the finance of thee rgani ation held in the Parliamentary

Library.

9. The budget for the ood and gricultur e rgani ation (item - 0 4 03 refer.) i. determined on a biennial ba i . ur a e ed contribution i 9 . 0 f reach of thecalendaryear 1974and 197 comparedt 297 ~ foreachofthet\\Oprcviou~ year . The expenditur e for the financial year 1973 4 wa "30_5 made up of half the 1973 a e mcnt and half that of 197-1. . et out in the cxpla natory n te the amount included for the financial year 19 4 1 9 6 30 . Variation in the exchange rate between the u tralian and 'nitcd tate d liar ha\e reduced the

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difference between financial years, when expressed in Australian dollars . F AO acts as a stimulus and clearing house for international co-operation in the field of agri " culture , but there are many other important international agricultural development programs such as those funded by theW orld Bank and, for example, under Australia's

bilateral aid programs. Further important new programs may emerge from the World Food Conference being held in Rome 5-16 November, under United Nations auspices but involving the support and participation of the FAO.

I 0. The Fisheries Development Research Program of the Food and Agriculture Organisation is a new and special program. The function of the program is to assemble all biological knowledge on marine mammals to assess what avenues future research should take and how marine mammals can be rationally exploited. It is in Australia's interests to contribute to the Program because of our whaling industry and the potential Antarctic sealing grounds. Other major contributors include the United States, Norwa y and Canada. This Program is in addition to the continuation of

Fisheries in the regular programs contained in the F AO budget for the biennium 1974-75. The total cost of these programs is spread throughout the FAO budget, and details are available in the Parliamentary Library.

11. The purpose of UNESCO, as defined in its Constitution, is 'to contribute to peace and security by promoting collaboration among the nations, through education, science and culture in order to further universal respect for justice, the rule of law, and for the human rights and fundamental freedoms which are affirmed for the

peoples of the world, without distinction of race, sex, language, or religion, by the Charter of the United Nations'. Australia is a member of UNESCO and currently a candidate for election to UNESCO's Executive Board.

12. UNESCO'S activities embrace the broad fields of education, science and culture, and its programs consequently cover a wide variety of activities both on a world-wide and on a regional basis. Australia has participated in UNESCO from its establish " ment, and we believe that the organisation makes an important contribution in promoting understanding and knowledge throughout the world community. U NESCO is notable in that its activities and programs involve non-governmental bodies and individuals to a markedly greater extent than many other United Nations organisations. Apart from its major contributions to education and cultural under " standing UNESCO programs have provided an important stimulus to areas of co-operation in Australia in the physical sciences , e.g. the Man in the Biosphere

program, tropical zone ecology, etc. and in the newer areas of human environmental studies. There are Australian National Committees covering all the main areas of U NESCO activity involving various Australian , State and academic bodies in their programs. Australian education thinking has been stimulated by UNESCO studies . The UNESCO report Learning to Be was the subject of a recent national seminar in

A ustralia attended by key educationalists. Other UNESCO studies have formed the basis of Australian seminars, a most recent example was the seminar 'Man and Land " scape' concerning man's perception of his environment.

13. UNESCO is directly involved in studies on the information explosion through its U NTSIST program. UNESCO is attempting to have every country in the world use compatible, machine readable, and computer retrie vable informa tion materials. Me dical information in the USA is now printed on tape (M EDUARS ). Th e Au stra " lian National Library is developing its own system (STICEC) of computer accessible ma terial. UNESCO is attempting to ensure that the development of such systems is complementary. Part of the Australian contribution to U NESCO is diverted to the

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UNISIST program, a program, which if successful , will be of direct benefit to Australia and every nation.

14. UNESCO publications an:: widely disseminated among governments, organi " sations and individuals, and are generally freely accessible to any enquirer. Their utilisation varies as widely as their recipients and subject matter, but specific examples could be obtained from the Department and the Department of Education.

15. EROPA was founded in 1958 as an Asian regional organisation designed to promote regional co-operation - through interchange amongst academics and administrators - in improving knowledge, systems and practices of governmental administration to help accelerate economic and social development in the region.

It is an independent group not affiliated to the United Nations, SEATO or any other regional organisation . EROPA is made up of II State Members including Australia , Indonesia, Iran, Japan, Republic of Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, Philippine s, Thailand and South Viet-Nam. Taiwan, while a Member , was not invited to attend the last meeting which was held in Tokyo in 1973. Membership is also open to Group members , which include numerous institutions in the area, and individual member s.

16. The purposes of the United Nations Fund for Drug Abuse Control, established in 1970, are to develop short and long-term plans and programs and to provide assistance in their execution. The voluntary contributions are being used for specific projects to expand the research and information facilities of United Nations drug " control bodies, to plan and implement programs of technical assistance in pilot projects for crop substitution purposes, in the establishment and improvement of national drug-control administrations and enforcement machinery, the training of personnel, and in the setting up or expansion of research and training centres which could serve national or regional needs, to enlarge the capabilities and extend the operations of United Nations drug-control bodies and their secretariats , and to promote facilities for the treatment , rehabilitation and social reintegration of drug addicts.

17. The contribution to the Fund is voluntary and is borne on the votes of the Department of Foreign Affairs , since it is a United Nations body, but representation on the Fund (and also on the .United Nations Commission on Narcotic Drugs) comes from the Special Services Branch, Department of Customs and Excise. The Depart " ment of Health also has an interest in this Fund. These Departments consult on the effectiveness of the program which is a useful and important one but represents only a small part of the total effort going into the area of international co-operation in dealing with drug problems.

Peace keeping costs 18. Australia contributes financially to both the United Nations peace keeping forces. (See items 250/4/12 and 210/4/16.) The financing of the United Nations peacekeeping operations has fallen into broadly two categories. In the first category are those which are financed by agreement on a compulsory basis and therefore by and large by contributions from members levied in the usual manner according to the United Nations scales or some variation of them as a charge on the organisation 's budget. In a second category are those which have had to be financed by voluntary con " tributions because of the refusal of a substantial group of member States to accept responsibility for them. The Members who carried the burden concluded, never " theless, that the activity was too important to be allowed to fail for lack of financial support.

19. The United Nations Force in Cyprus was established by the Security Council in

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arch 1964. It i financed on a voluntary basis and therefore is in the second of the two categories referred to the paragraph above. Australia has contributed since the inception of the force: the current contribution being $U S I 00 000 per annum and is borne on the rate of the D epartment of Foreign Affairs.

20. Also Au stralia has provided a police contingent. The costs of their fares, salaries and uniforms have been met by the Attorney-General's D epartment. Similar arrange " me nt are m ade in respect of a numb er of other contingents , e.g. those supplied by anada and the Un ited Kingdom. Other contributor s of the contingents e.g. Sweden and Finland, have claimed salary costs on the grounds that their units were made up of

volunteers and not regular soldier s whose pay would be a normal charge on their respective national defence budgets.

21. The deficit of the U FICYP Special Account is estimated at over $U S20 million since expenditur e has exceeded receipts .

22. The United ations Emergency Force in the Middle East was establi shed by the Security Co unci I on 25 October 1973 for the period 25 October 1973 to 24 April 1974. The m ethod of financing the Force was approved by the General Assembly on II D ecember 1973 ; all member States being called upon to contribute , but on a scale

om ew hat different from that of the regular budget.

23. An amo unt of $30 million was appropriated to cover expenditure for the six m onths ending 24 April 1974. An amo unt of$US 18 945 000 was appropriated among the permament members of the Securit y Council, $US I 0 434 000 among the developed countries (including Australia ), U S606 000 among the developing countries and S S 15 000 amon g the least developed countries. Australia was assessed at $U S32 000 at the same percentage rate as for the regular budget. Members of the Security Co uncil thus paid more than they would have if the regular budget scale had been

used.

24. There is an in built shortfa ll in the receipts of the Fund as China has been included in the permanent members of the Securit y Council, but has declined to make any contribution. Some of the Arab countries are still considering whether or not they w ill contribut e.

25. The General Assembly also agreed to reimburse Governments for extra and extraordinary expenses incurr ed by them in providing contingents to UNEF. The Secretar y-General was requested to study the possibilit y of standardising costs and determining a ceiling , after appropriate consultations , with the aim of reducing the

w ide existing descrepancies and to report on this matter to the A ssembly at its twenty " ninth session. This report has not yet been issued. The Security Council has recently extended the term of the Force to 24 Aprill975.

R . E. JOHNS

for the Secretary

VI. REVIEW OF THE SCALE OF ASSESSMENTS

14. The scale reviewed by the Committee at its current session totalled 100.24 per cent as a result of the General Assembly's decision, in resolution s 2762 (XXVI) of 8 ovember 1971 and 2961 A (XXV II), to add to the scale adopted by the General Assembly for the years 1971 , 1972 and 1973 [resolution 2654 (XXV)], the rates of assessments for the six Members (Bahrain, Bhutan, Fiji, Oman , Q atar and the United

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Ara.b Emirates) admitted to the Organisation at the twenty-fifth and twenty-sixth sess1ons of the General Assembly.

! 5. F~r its :evie~ of the scale, the Committee applied its original terms of reference m conJunctiOn w1th the further directives given to it by the General Assembly, as referred tom paragraph 2 above, which ma y be summarised as follows: (a) Under the Committee's original terms of reference adopted in 1946, the

expenses of the United ations should be apportioned broadly according to capaCity to pay, and comparative estimates of national income were recommended as the fairest guide. The main factors to be taken into account to prevent anoma " lous assessments resulting from the use of comparative estimates of national mcome were:

(i) Comparative income per head of population; (ii) Temporary dislocation of national economies arising out of the Second World War ; (iii) The ability of Members to secure foreign currency. (b) By the further directives given to the Committee, the Assembly has:

(i) Established a ceiling on the rate of assessment of the highest contributor which, as a matter of principle , should not exceed 25 per cent of the total; (ii) Recognised that, in normal times, the per capita contribution of any Member State should not exceed the per capita contribution of the largest

contributor ; (iii) Requested the Committee to change the elements of the low per capita allowance formula so as to adjust it to the changing world economic conditions ; (iv) Established a minimum rate of assessment of0.02 per cent;

(v) Requested that due attention be given to the developing countries in view of their special ecdnomic and financial problems.

A. CAPACITY TO PAY

16. As a basis for determining the relative capacities to pay of Member States in the scale for 1974-1976 now presented, the Committee, as previously mentioned, used averages of national income at market prices for the three years 1969-1971. Before the calculation of the scale of assessments , the Committee examined in detail the national income statistics made available to it for each Member State. For many countries , official estimates had been submitted by Governments for the three-year period. In the case of countries for which official figures were not available for the three base years, or for some of them, the Committee reviewed the methods of estimation and extrapolation used by the Statistical Office of the United Nations in the compilation of the data. The Committee also examined the rates of exchange used for the conversion of the national income figures expressed in national currencies into a common unit, namely, the United States dollars , particularly in the case of countries with multiple exchange rates systems.

17. The triennium 1969-1971, which was used as the base of the scale of assessments for 1974-1976, was one of economic progress in many Member States. The aggregate of the national incomes of Members States, expressed in their current dollars , in " creased by 28 per cent over the level of the previous triennium (1966-1968). Part of this increase was due to changes in price levels and exchange rates, which accounted for an increase of 14 per cent. When the changes in prices and exchange rates as compared with the earlier triennium were eliminated, the global volume of the national incomes in real terms was found to have increased by 12 per cent. Mo st

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Member States showed increases in the volume of national income close to the average of 12 per cent and only in a few cases exceeded that average.

18. The Committee considered the role played by changes in exchange rates and price levels in relation to the capacity to pay. When prices show a continuous rise in a country, the result is a corresponding increase in its national income expressed in current dollars, which is used by the Committee for assessment purposes. When the

increase in prices has attained a height out of proportion to the price changes of other countrie , ma inly those of the country's tr ading partner s, the tendency is for devalu " ation to take place. The devaluation then operates to reduce the figure of the country's national income expressed in current dollars and thus to restore the country to a lower figure in the scale of assessments. The opposite course of events, that is, a decrease in the country's price relativ e to the price levels of other countries, tends to compel a revaluation. Wher e the price rise and the consequent devaluation occur in

the same triennium, the Committee's task is greatly simplified . Where this does not happen, care mu st be taken not to over-assess a given country for its pre-devaluation period. The Co mmittee bore these considerations in mind in recommending changes in the scale.

19. At its session in 1971 and again in 1972, the Committee made a detailed examin " ation of the question of taking account of differential price changes in relation to exchange rates. This study reaffirmed the importance of ensuring that countries showing inordinately large upward or downw ard relative price movements, not proportionately reflected in the rates of exchange, were not overassessed or under " assessed purely as a result of such relative price mo vements. As stated in its report to the General Assembly at its twenty-seventh session, the Committee decided that it wo uld 'continue to follow the practice in reviewing the scale of assessments of paying

particular attention to the effect of noticeable differential price changes in price levels in relation to exchange rates in individu al cases'. Consequently, in arriving at the scale now recommended , the Committee made certain adjustments designed .. to m oderate the impact of inordinately high price movements on the national income data.

( i) Co mparative incom e per head of populati on

20. In using national income statistics for measuring the relative capacity to pay of Member States, the Committee is required , under its original terms of reference , to take into account the factor 'comparative income per head of population '. A system " atic allowa nce has been made for this factor from the inception of the Committee's wo rk and, under the present furmula, Member States with per capita income below $1000 receive for the purpose of assessment a reduction up to a m aximum of 50 per cent in their national income figures used as a basis for the scale. It has also been the practice of the Committee to give special attention to the concession of relief , par "

ticularl y to the countries with per capita income below $300, as well as to a wider range of low per capita income countries.

21. The question of the allowance for low per capita income and the attention to be given to developing countries in view of their special economic and financial problems has continued to be the subject of discussion in the Committee on Con " tributions and in the Fifth Committee of the General Assembly. At its session in 1971 and again in 1972, the Committee on Contributions made in-depth studies of the allowance for low per capita income in the light of the various views expressed in the Ge neral Assembly. As a result of its detailed study of several variants in the allowance formula, the Committee, in its report to the General Assembly at its twenty-seventh

session, expressed the view that:

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On the basis of the data available , it became apparent that changing the elements of the present allowance formula would be justified , particularly when account is taken of changes in the per capita income of Member States, of changes in value of the dollar over the past 25 years, and of the General Assembly's request for special attention to be given to developing countries.

22. This was the background for the adoption of resolution 2961 C (XXVII) in w hich the General A ssembly:

I. R eaffi rms its previous directives to the Committee on Contributions regarding the additional recognition to be given to the low per capita income countries and the attention to be given to the developing countrie s in the calculation of their their rates of assessment;

2. R equests the Committee on Contributions , at its next review of the scale of assessments, to change the elements of the low per capita income allowance formula so as to adjust it to the changing world economic conditions.

23. At its current session, on the basis of national income statistics for the years 1969-1971, the Committee on Contributions again studied the effects on the scale of different variants of the allowance formula for low per capita income, as compared to the present formula. The Committee considered the two elements of the allowance formula: the upper limit for concession of relief and the maximum percentage allow " an~e. It noted that, on the basis of data for 1969-1971, there are now 33 Member

States with per capita income above the level of$1000.1t is also noted that the figure of $1000 per capita fixed in 1946 would be equivalent to more than twice that amount in terms of current United States prices. In considering the question of the upper limit, the Committee further took into account that, if the present limit of $1000 were maintained, countries with per capita income below that level might have increases in assessments not only because of the increases in their national income, but also because of a diminishing low per capita allowance as they approached the $1000 limit. For all these reasons and given the general increase in per capita incomes of Member States, the Committee considered it would be justified to raise the upper limit. The Committee reached the additional conclusion that, to meet more fully the General Assembly's -request concerning the attention to be given to the developing countries, the maximum allowance should be increased from its present level of 50 per cent. The Committee examined in detail several variants in the allowance formula and found that the most effective way of providing progressive relief in the scale in th~ light of changing world economic conditions would be to adopt the formula of an

upper limit of $1500 and a maximum reduction of 60 per cent. 1

24. Throughout its deliberations , the Committee also considered the Fifth Com " mittee's request, as contained in the following paragraph of its report to the General Assembly, at its twenty-seventh session 2 which was endorsed by the Assembly at its 2108th plenary meeting:

The Fifth Committee requested the Committee on Contributions, in granting. relief to countries with low per capita income, to give additional attention to the less developed of the developing countries.

25. Whereas the adoption of the revised allowance formula reduced somewhat the need for the practice of making small downward adjustments in individual cases in

1 Th e method used for making allowance for low per capita income in the scale now recommended is in brief as follows:

a deduction was ma de from the national income of each Member State with a per capita income below $1500. The difference between $1500 and a country's per capita income below $1500 is expressed as a percentage of $1500 and 60 per cent of that percentage is used to reduce the country's total national income for the purpose of assessment. ' Official Records oft he General Assem bly, Tw enty-seventh Session, Annexes, agenda item 77, document A /8952, para. 13.

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the rates of the low est per capits income countries , the Committee still re-examined the rate of assessm ent for the less developed of the developing countries and made mall dow nwa rd adjustments, as appropriate. In making adjustments, the Committee bore in m ind throughout the basic principle of capacit y to pay for the apportionment of the nited at i ons ex pen es.

(ii) Mi1iga1ion of" changes in 1he scale

26. In line with its usual procedure, as explained in earlier reports , the Committee exam ined in detail any large changes, upw ards or downwards, in the rates of assess " me nt of certain M ember States as compared to the present scale. The Committee again found it advisable to adjust such changes in order to avoid too drastic shifts from one

cale to another. In m odifying the changes in rates of assessment, the Committee had to keep in mind, however, the effect of increasing the gap between the statistical rate and the actual rate of assessm ent either for a country with a rapidly expanding econom y, or f or one with less than average growth in its economy. Through special

crutiny of the basic statistical data, the Committee sought to assure, moreover, that the changes in rates of assessment would not be excessive and would be mitigated again to the extent comp atible with the basic principle of capacity to pay.

(iii) Olherfactors 27. Two other factors specific ally mentioned in the Committee's original terms of reference are 'temporary dislocation of national economies arising out of the Second W orld W ar' and 'the abilit y of Member s to secure foreign currency'. For the first of these factors, the Committee in earlier report s has confirmed its conclusion - accepted

by the General Assembly- that it is no longer necessary to make any special allow " ance for this factor.

28. A s regards the ability of Members to secure foreign currency, the Committee in earlier reports has explained the difficulties in devising any systematic and sound way of making allowance for payments difficulties in the determination of contribution rates for all Member States. It has been the practice of the Committee, however, to

take into account available data on the servicing of the external debt of Member States in making small downward adjustments in individual assessments .

29. At its current session, the Committee on Contributions was provided with as comprehensive data as practicable bearing on this problem, and studied a series of data on the subject of external public debt. The data examined related to the years 1969-1971 , which is the base period for the statistical data used for the computation of the scale. The Committee noted that there are wide variations among countries in the nature and extent of the external public debt, the terms on which the debt is serviced and in the relationship of debt servicing costs to export earnings. The Com "

mittee did not find it possible , however, to devise a method of making a systematic allowance for this factor and decided that it should continue the practice of taking into account, as appropriate, available data on the servicing of the external debt of Member States. In arriving at the scale now recommended, the Committee has paid

particular attention to countries that had to devote a large portion of their foreign earnings to the servicing of foreign debts and has made downward adjustments in individual assessments for this factor.

30. In paragraph 66 below, the Committee refers to the arrangements made by the Secretary-General for the payment of part of Member States' contributions in currencies other than United States dollars. In view of the continued interest shown by Member States in the possibility of meeting part of their financial obligations to

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the United Nations in currencies other than dollars , the Committee recommends that the Secretary-General should be authorised to continue similar arrangements for the period 1974-1976.

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FOREIGN AFFAIRS

SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

Se11aror Willesee: Senator Carrick asked me during the Estimates Committee B debate on 15 October 1974, to provide a list of countrie s with w hich Australia has no form of diplomatic representation. A ustrali a is not represented in or accredited to any of the following States:

nited Arab Em irates Albania Burundi Cameroon Central African R epublic Chad

Co ngo (Brazzaville) C uba

D ahomey D ominican R epublic El Salvadore Gabon Gambia Gu inea

H aiti H onduras Jordan Liberia

Libya Malawi

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Mali Mauritania M orocco Nicaragua Niger Om an

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Division 515/2-Administrative Expenses $19 686 000

Senator Mulvihill Han sard Reference- Page 82

Qu estion ... I wondered if you could give me an idea in the future of the transfer of Mem " bers of Parliament from the Commonwealth Bank Building to the Australian Government Centre, which I applaud. What was our rent bill annually with the Commonwealth Bank in Sydney?

Answer The Australian Go vernment currently leases about 2740m 2 (29 500 sq ft) in the Commonwealth Bank Building. The annual rental is $240969. Following the transfer of the Federal Members ' offices and two Ministerial offices to the Australian G overnment C entre it is proposed to relinqui sh about 1047m 2 (I I 270 sq ft) of this leased space.

This mo ve w ill reduce the annual rental for the building by about $50 700.

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Division 523-Rent enator Carrick H ansard Reference- Pages 87 and 88 Q uesrion

Senator Carrick referred to pages 196 and 197 of the Auditor-General's Report which dealt with unoccupied Government owned and leased accommodation and asked ' ... could we have a list setti ng out the property, the length of time that it has been unoccupied and the reasons and the amou nt that is involved and the department? In other words, could we convert into specifics the Auditor-General 's

report?'

Ansll'er The information sought is as follows:

U OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT-OWNED PROPERTIES

Wo rkshop premises at C oncord W esr

Purchased for Postmaster -General's D epartment. Contracts were exchanged on 17 December 1971 for the purchase of this propert y for $1 050 000. Settlement was effected on 9 June 1972. The property was purchased at the request of the Postmaster " G eneral's Department and has been available to that Department since 9 June 1972.

Arrangements for its occupation and use have been a matter for the Postmaster " General's D epartment.

I 3 I Whitehorse R oad, Blackburn

Purchased at a cost of $190 000 in February 1969 at the request of the Postmaster " G eneral's Department for use as an engineering depot. The propert y has been available to the Postmaster-General's Department since acquisition and arrangements for its occupation and use have been a matter for that

Department. The Postma ster-General's D epartment has arrangements in hand with the D epartment of Housing and Construction for certain works necessary to enable the propert y to be used as a mail handling centre. This results from a change of plans and it is understood that the wo rk is expected to be completed by Decemb er 1974.

Property at 24-26 W est Street, North Sydney This property, adjoining the P.M.G. D ata Processing Centre at 28 W est Street , comprises a pair of semi-detached two-storey brick residences which, prior to acquisition, were in separate ownerships. Acquisition was necessary to provide for expansion of data processing facilities expected to be undertaken in 1975. The

purchase of o. 26 West Street w ith vacant possession was completed on 26 April 1973 and keys were handed to an officer of the Postm aster-General's Department on 27 April 1973 following advice that the premises wo uld be utili sed for departmental purposes pending demolition.

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The purchase of No. 24 West Street was subsequently settled on 12 June 1973 when vacant possession was given. This section of the property was utilised by the owners for office purposes and it was initially intended to grant them a lease back on a month to month basis. However, as this did not eventuate , the keys were handed to an officer of the P.M.G.'s Department on 13 June 1973 when it was indicated that the premises would be utilised for departmental purposes.

The properties were purchased at a cost of $1 Q8 854 and arrangements for the occupation and use of them have been a matter for the Postmaster-General 's Depart " ment.

Site Comprising 1∑ 4 hectares at French's Forest, N.S. W . Purchased for the Postmaster-General's Department, the site was purchased for $60000 from the N.S.W. Department of Main Roads on 17 October 1972 at the request of the P.M.G.'s Department. That Department proposed to use it for a telephone exchange centre.

The property has been available to the Postmaster-General's Department from that date and arrangements for its occupation and use have been a matter for that Department.

Former Commonwealth Clothing Factory, South Melbourne, Victoria This property valued at $1 200 000 was declared by the former Department of Supply for disposal on 18 June 1973. All departments and statutory authorities were advised of the availability of the property on 27 June 1973 and bids were received from the Department of Defence, the Australian Archives Office and the Australian Broadcasting Commission

A decision on the future of the property was delayed pending full documentation by the three bidders of their claims including comprehensive environmental impact statements. A decision has now been taken for joint re-development of the site for the purposes of Australian Archives Office and the Australian Broadcasting Com " mission.

Wiltona Migrant H ostel, Williamstown, Victoria This property was formally declared to the Department of Services and Property for disposal on 17 August 1973 by the former Department of Immigration. The propert y is valued at $2 425 000.

The Department of Services and Property assumed administrati ve control of it on 20 September 1973. Previously the hostel was held on a 'care and maintenance' basis by the Department ofimmigration from October 1972. Services and Property circularised all Australian Government Departments to ascertain whether there w as any Au stralian Government requirement. The only expressed interest was by the Navy Office- but this interest lapsed.

Subsequently discussions were commenced with the State H ousing C ommi ssion but these ended when a request was received from the former D epartment of Immi " gration on 26 April 1974 that, in view of an expected shortage of immigration hostel accommodation resulting from large increase? in the migration application rate in the United Kingdom and South America, any disposal action in relation to the hostel should be deferr ed.

Milli gan Street Post Office, Perth W.A . This propert y, valued at $110000 wa s declared by the P.M.G .'s D epartment for disposal in October 1972. Subsequently in November 1972 disposal action w as deferred at P.M .G .'s request.

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Further advice from P.M .G .'s on 31 March 1973 renewed the advice that the property was available for disposal. All Australian Government Departments and the Western Au stralian State Government were asked by Services and Property if they had any intere st in using the propert y. There was no such requirement.

Th e Minister indicated that in accordance with Government policy, the property should be retained rather than sold. Consideration is being given to ways and means of effectively using the property.

U OCCUPIED LEASED PREMISES

It should be noted that the delays in occupancy of the leased premises mentioned in the Auditor-General's Report are understood to have resulted from delays in the setting up of the various premises involved. Until recently , arrangements for the setting up of such premises have been the responsibility of the user department and

the D epartment of Housing and Construction. Reasons for delays in occupancy are, therefore, a matter for the user department and the Department of Housing and Co nstruction. C omment s on each of the properties involved are provided below.

Bridgegate H ouse--406-412 Elizabeth Street, Sydney A lease for the major portion of the building was acquired at the request of the P.M.G .'s Department to provide accommodation for apprentices and staff of the Engineering Training Section.

The lease commenced on 9 November 1973 at a rental of$347 588.80 per annum. It is understood that the premises are not yet occupied.

Central Square, Sydney A lease of 2620m 2 of space in these premises was taken out at the request of the Department of Defence. Rental paid from the date of commencement of the lease (1 May 1973) until it was occupied amounted to approximately $150 000.

Shipnews H ouse, N orth Sydney, N.S. W. These premises were leased from 7 June 1971 at the request of the Postmaster " General's Department. It is understood that they were progressively occupied between March 1972 and June 1972. Rental paid from the commencement of the lease until the premises were occupied amounted to approximately $146000.

Carlton Centre, Elizabeth St., Sydney, N.S. W. Rental on unoccupied portions of an area of 3260m 2 leased from 19 March 1973 at the request of the P.M.G.'s Department amounted to approximately $80000.

34-30 Grosvenor St., Sydney These premises were leased at the request of the P.M .G.'s Department from 7 February 1972 and occupied on 7 August 1972; rental incurred during the period that the premises were unoccupied was approximately $12 000.

Miranda Fair, Miranda, N.S. W. A lease of 1 032m 2 of office space in these premises was taken out on behalf of the Postmaster-General 's Department. Rental paid from the date of commencement of the lease (1 July 1973) until the premises were occupied in November 1973 was approximately $12750.

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A viati on H ouse, Brisbane, Queensland This lease was taken out on behalf of the Postmaster-General's Department. Rental paid from the date of commencement of the lease (I September 1973) until the premises were occupied on I June 1974 was approximately $35000.

Scotti sh Amicable H ouse, Parkside, South Australia This lease was taken out at the request of the Attorney-General 's Department for the Commonwealth Police from 1 August 1973. Prior to full occupation of the premises on 27 May 1974, rental paid was approximately £16 000.

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Division 523--Rent $34 037 000

Senator Grimes H ansard Reference- Page 88 Qu estions I refer to D ivision 523, Item 20 D epartment of R epatriation and Compensation.

There is an increase of $7 I 8 426 due to the lease of accommodation at 444 St Kilda Road, M elbourne, largely . Who is going into 444 St Kilda Road, do you know, and w here we re they before? It is a fairly big jump just for members of the D epartment being transferred.

A 1/S \t'e r

The Department of Repatriation and Compensation occupies about 8900m 2 (95 900 sq ft) at 151-169 Kings Way , Melbourne. The buildings were constructed as temp orary accommodation in 1946-47 on land leased from the State Government. The buildin gs have developed structural deficiencies due to ground subsidence and

part of one building was damaged by fire in 1973. They are no longer suitable for office accommodation. T o provide suitable accommodation a lease has been taken out on the whole of the building at 444 St Kilda Road, Melbourne. The area involved is 10 615m 2 (I I 4 260 sq ft) and the lease is for a term of7 years with a 3 year option.

Consideration is being given to the use of the existing accommodation when vacated. It is no longer suitable for office accommodation and departments are being approached which may have a use for the building for other purposes, e.g. storage.

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Division 523-Rent $34 037 000

Senator Carrick

H ansard Reference- Page 89

Qu estion I have the impression that the overall volume of rented space has very considerably increased in the last year or two . H as the D epartment any statistic, not me asured in mo ney for rental but measured in actual space rented, w hich wo uld either support, or give the lie to m y belief? In other wo rds, has there been a substantial increase in space rented ? Can we m easure it other than in costs?

Answer The follow ing table provides details of Go vernment office accomm odation from 1969 to 1974. Own ed Leased

Accommodation Accommodation

(m 2) (m 2)

Area as at 30.6.69 . 53 1 700 438 800

Increase 1969-70 63 200 33400

Area as at 30.6. 70 .. 594 900 472 200

Increase 1970-71 900 29 300

Area as at 30.6.71 595 800 501 500

Increase 1971-72 II 000 53 100

Area as at 30.6. 72 . 606800 554 600

Increase 1972-73 76100 95400

Area as at 30.6. 73 . 682 900 650 000

Increase 1973-74 9400 132 000

Area as at 30.6. 74 .. 692 300 782 000

OTE: The figure of I 78 1 000 square me l res provided lo I he C om mince during its examination of I he D epanm ent"s estimate s includ ed G ove rnm ent ow ned and lease d ac commodat ion for both capital city and count ry area s. The figures shown in the table above exclude the statistics for country areas as these are available only in respect of 197:1 onwa rds.

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Division 629-Department of Defence-Rent $17 002 000

Senator Carrick H ansard Reference- Page 94 Q uestion In commenting upon Mr Franklin's statement that the proposed appropriation

of $17m provided for both office accommodation and rental for servicemen's dwe llings, Senator Carrick asked: 'Ought it not to be submitted in the subdivided state for us, if that is the case? As one item, a single line item, it is impossible to comprehend. lfit contains a variet y of rents, including servicemen's homes, surely

it should be broken up. Is there any way in which we can tell what are the individual items involved in this'?

A nswer Of the total appropriation being sought $14026m is for rental on servicemen's dwellings, and the balance is for office accommodation. Details are as follows:

Defence Central Nav y Office Army Office Air Office

Total ..

Office Servicemen's Total

accommodation dwellings estimate

$m $m $m

0.653 0.653

1.218 3.157 4.375

0.454 5.146 5.600

0.651 5.723 6.374

2.976 14.026 17.002

Servicemen are charged rental for the dwellings they occupy. These rentals are collected by the Department of Defence from servicemen by way of deduction from salary and are credited to Consolidated Revenue.

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DEPARTMENT OF MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY

D epot No. 310 Batman Street We st Melbourne

STORES AND TRANSPORT BRANCH

INVO ICE OF TRANSPORT C HAR GES

Period Ending 22/9/74

R endered to

Claimant's Reference 03/0174

The Accountant D ept. Spec Min 'ter/State East Block Ca nberra 2600

HIR E R CODE 2252 SIR ROBERT MENZIES (VIC)

T/0 Vehicle Line Km Cha rged

No. T1pe No. 1o G il'( 'll D(/fe

500100 Bentley Sedan 433 (29.8 74)

500IOO Bentley Sedan 561 (5.9.7 4)

500100 Bentley Sedan 773 (11.9.74)

500 IOO Bentley Sedan 1295 (21.9.74)

T 0 Total 3062

T otal H ire 5 $1811.58

T otal Hire $1811.58

Total Charge

to resolve queries relating to this Account please telephone 328 1551 Ext. 243

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Days Labour

Chgd E:oras

7 109.01

7 I82.24

7 266.63

7 389.98

PAGE No . 1

Misc. TjO

Ex 1ras Charge

0.00 304.99

0.00 385.90

0.00 483.0I

0.00 637.68

I811.58

$1811.58

DEPARTMENT OF MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY

D epot No. 310 Batman Street W est Melbourne

R endered to

STORES A N D TRANSPORT BRANCH

IN VOI C E OF TRANSPORT C HARGES

Period Ending 22/9/74

The Accountant Dept. Spec. Min 'ter/State East Block Canberra 2600

C laimant's Reference 03/0175

HIRER CODE 2253 CAR SIR JOHN McEWEN. PAGE No. 1

TO Vehicle Line K m C harged Da ys Labour Misc. T/0

No. T tpe No . ro Given Dar e Chgd Exrras Exrras Charge

500101 Ford L TO Sedan 0 29.93 0.00 38.99 Cr

500101 Ford LTD Sedan 0 18.0S 0.00 28.79 Cr

500101 Ford LTD Sedan 0 0.00 0.00 34.00 Cr

500101 Ford LTD Sedan 0 0.00 0.00 34.00 Cr

500101 Ford LTD Sedan 0 0.00 0.00 40.38

500101 Ford LTD Sedan 0 0.00 0.00 34.00 Cr

500101 Ford LTD Sedan 707 (29.8.74) 7 42.28 0.00 254.70

500101 Ford LTD Sedan 544 (4.9.74) 7 64.68 0.00 267.32

500101 Ford LTD Sedan 1218 (12.9.74) 7 126.11 0.00 369.19

500101 Ford LTD Sedan 2184 (21.9. 74) 7 195.46 0.00 496.50

T /0 Total 4323 1258.31

T otal Hire 5 $1258.31

T otal Hire $1258 31

T otal Ch arge $1258.31

To resolve queries relating to this account please telephone 328 1551 Ext. 243

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Co mmittee C has the honour to present its report to the Senate.

I. On 3 October 1974, the Senate referred to the Committee the Estimates for the year 1974-75 relating to the following Departments: M edia Education

Tourism and Recreation

2. The Co mmittee has considered these Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for the Media. A copy of the Han sard report of the evidence is tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill ( o. I) 1974-75 and the Appropriation Bill (No.2) 1974-75.

3. Subsequent to the hearing of evidence and in accordance with undertakings given during the hearings, additional information was forwarded to the Committee in reply to certain questions asked during the proceedings. Copies of these replies are attached as an Appendix to the Report.

4. During its examination of the departmental estimates, members of the Committee queried wh ether certain items of proposed expenditure were correctly included in Appropriation Bill (No. I) 1974-75, a bill which appropriates moneys for the ordinary annual services of the Government and which the Senate cannot amend, or w hether the items should have been included in Appropriation Bill (No.2) 1974-75, a bill which the Senate may amend.

5. Bills which appropriate moneys for the ordinary annual services of the Govern " ment have received the continued attention of the Senate since Federation. In 1965 a compact was reached between Senators and the then Treasurer , Mr Holt, who announced in the House of Representatives (Hansard, Vol. 46, pp. 1484-1485) that:

The G overnment has now decided that henceforth there will be a separate Bill ... , subject 10 am endm ent by !he Senale, containing appropriation s for expenditur e on:

(a) the construction of public wo rks and buildings ; (b) the acquisition of sites and buildings; (c) item s of plant and equipment w hich are clearl y definable as capital expenditure; (d) grants to the States under section 96 of the Constitution ; and (e) new policies not authori sed by special legislation.

6. In November 1973, Estimates Committee C made the following recommendation to the Senate: That the matter of the interpr etation of the 1965 compact in so far as it related to new policies should be referred to the Senate Standing Committee on Co nstituti onal and Legal

Affairs.

The Committee reaffirms this recommendation.

7. The Committee also wishes to draw attention to the fact that, in certain cases, one line appropriations for Statutory Authorities were not accompanied by sufficiently detailed explanations. The Committee draws attention to the fact that, if sufficiently detailed explanations are provided, the time taken by the Committee in examining

the estimates must be reduced.

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8. The Committee wishes to express its thanks to the Minister for the Media and to the departmental officers for the full and frank response which the Committee received to its questioning .

R. E. MCA U LIFFE

Chairman

23 O C TOBER 1974

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Estimates Committee C

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO. 1

TUESDAY , 15 OCTOBER 1974

I. MEETING : The Com mittee met at 2.15 p.m.

2. APPO I TME TOF ,A DREFERE CETO,ESTIMATESCOMMITTEES: The Resolutions of the Senate of I and 3 October 1974 relating to the appointment of E timates C ommittees and the referral of particulars of proposed expenditure for 1974-75 to them were reported to the Co mmittee.

3. MEMBERS QF TH E COMM ITTEE: The entry of the Journals of the Senate of 3 October 1974 recording the appointment of the following members to Estimates C omm ittee C was reported: Senators Coleman, Guilfoyle, Laucke, McAuliffe, Melzer and Scott.

4. ELECTIO OF CHAI RMA N: On the motion of Senator Coleman, Senator McAu liff e was elected C hairman.

Senator M cAuliffe thereupon took the Chair.

5. STATEMENT BY CHA IRMAN: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditur e for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975 and stated that. pursuant to the Order of the Senate of 3 October 1973, the Committee would consider the following departmental estimates.

D ocwn en1* Page Dil'ision D epanm ent Am oum

No .

$

A 70-73 330-342 M edia. 115419000

B 17 885 Media. 17992000

A 33-40 200-215 Education 275 522 000

B 9-10 845-848 Ed ucation 15 361 000

A 122-124 555-558 T ourism and R ecreation 8 356 000

B 24 958-959 T ourism and Recreation 7 927 000

* D ocumen t A - -Particulars of Proposed Ex penditure for the Service of the year ending on 30 June 1975". * D ocumen t B- ∑P articulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1975"

Ordered- That the estimates be considered in the following order: D epartment of Tourism and Recreation D epartment of the Media Department of Education

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6. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Tourism and Recreation Appearing: Senator the Hon . Douglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, accompanied by the following officers: D eparrment of Tourism and R ecreation:

Mr . N. Ellis, First A ssistant Secretary M r L. G. Stroud, Assistant Secretary Australian Tourist Commission: Mr J. W. Miller, Assistant General Manager D epartment ol the Treasury:

Mr F. V . Colvin, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division MrS . Woodley, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 555-558- Department of Tourism and Recreation (Document A)

Divisions 958-959- Department of Tourism and Recreation (Document B) The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Tourism and Recreation.

7. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of the Media Appearing: Senator the Hon . Douglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, accompanied by the following officers: D epartment of the M edia: Central Office:

Mr J. H . Oswin, Secretary Information D ivision: Mr P. A. Nott, First Assistant Secretary Mr N. M. Boyle, Assistant Controller

Mr T. W . Coppin, Director , Management Services Mr A. Wheatley, Estimates Officer Mr I. C. Hamilton, Director , Australian Information Service Mr K. Bogg, Executive Officer, Australian Information Service Film A ustralia:

Mr D. E. Brown, Producer-in-Chief Mr J. R. Wood , Executive Officer Planning and Finance Branch: Mr L.A. MacDonald , A ssistant Secretary Australian Film Development Corporation:

Mr T. Stacey, Executive Officer Australian Broadcasting Control Board: Mr B . J. Connolly, Secretary Mr J. R . Cowen , Assistant Secretary Australian Broadcasting Commission:

Dr C. Semmler, Deputy General Manager Mr P. A . Dorrian, Assistant G eneral Manager Mr W. Funnel, Acting Controller Finance Ministerial Staff:

Mr W . Rigby, Adviser Mr J. Atkinson, Private Secretary

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D eparrmenr ol rhe Treasurv: Mr F. V. Co lvin, C hief Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division MrS. W oodley, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division Th e Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 330-342- Department of the Media (Document A) Division 885- D epartment of the M edia (Document B)

The Comm ittee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the D epartment of the Media. ∑

8. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Education Appearing: Senator the H on. D ouglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, accompanied by the following officers :

Mr D. M . Morrison, First Assistant Secretary , Policy Division Mr R. A . Foskett, First Assistant Secretary, Territorial and Facilitie s Division Dr H . Beare, First Assistant Secretar y, Northern Territor y Education Division Mr R. N . Allen, Assistant Secretar y, Management Services Branch Mr E. S. Rolfe, Assistant Secretary , Student Assistance No.2 Branch Mr G. D . Fowler, Director , Language Teaching Branch Mr J. W. Mather, Assistant Secretar y, Special Programs Branch M r C. L. Beltz, Assistant Secretar y, Research Branch Mr B. P. Peck, Director , Schools and General Policy Branch, A.C.T. Schools

A uthority M r E. M . McConchie, Assistant Secretar y, Facilitie s Branch Mr J. R. Scutt, Secretary, Schools Commission Mr M. J. Woodward , Secretary , Commonwealth Teaching Service Mr R. M . Gillett , Operations Officer, Australian Universities Commission Mr L. P. Fricker , Secretary, Australian Commission on Advanced Education, Mr R . H . Graham e, Director , Information and Research Section, Australian

Commi ssion on Advanced Education.

D epartmenr ol rhe Treasurv : Mr F. V. Colvin, Chief Finance Officer , Accounting and Supply Division MrS . W oodley, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration :

Divisions 200-215- Department of Education (Document A) Divisions 845-848- Department of Education (Document A) The C ommittee concluded its consideratton of the proposed expenditure for the D epartment of Education.

9. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.30 p.m. till a date to be fixed.

I 0. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present:

Senators Coleman, Guilfoyle, Laucke, McAuliffe, Melzer and Scott. Senators Sir Kenneth Anderson, Baume , McLaren , Milliner and Young also attended.

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Confirmed

R. E. MCA U LIFFE Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO.2 THURSDAY , 31 OCTOBER 1974

I. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session, at 12.15 p.m. The Chairman (Senator McAuliffe) took the Chair.

2. MINUTES : The Minutes of the meeting held on Tuesday, 15 October 1974, were read and confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman presented a draft report for the Committee's consideration . Discussion ensued. It was resolved: That Senator Laucke ask leave of the Senate to mo ve a motion for

the adoption of Estimates Committee C's recommendation of November 1973 relating to the interpretation of the 1965 compact between the then Treasurer and regarding the appropriate placing of new policies in Appropriation Bills (No. I) and (No.2). The draft report was agreed to, subject to the provision by departments of additional information requested at the hearing on 15 October 1974.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 12.30 p.m .

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Coleman, Guilfoyle , Laucke, McAuliffe, Melzer and Scott (6).

Certified correct

R. E. MCA U LIFFE

Chairman

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Appendix

AUSTRALIAN BROADCASTING COMMISSION

FORMATION FOR SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

During the proceedings of the above Com mittee on 15 October the Chairman a ked that a list be submitted to the Committee show ing what additional activity in program production commenced during 1973-74 as a result of the additional staff engagem ents during that year, and for which funds are being sought during the current year t o continue the emp loyment of such staff.

The Co mmittee ma y be interested to note the information shown on page 49 of the Co mmi ssion's Annual Report recentl y tabled in the Parliament, that during 1973-74 of the total increase of $22 224 000 available in funds to the Commission for that year 5)5 391 000 of that increase wa s devoted to the development and improve " men t of program s and related activit ies w hich are continuing this year.

Of this $5 391 000 the following sum s were provided for Salaries and Direct Ex penses (engagement of artists, scriptw riter s, construction of sets, costumes, etc.):

T elevision Programs $4571 000 R adio Programs $820 000

With the e additiona l funds it was possible to expand the Australian content of both television and radio programs and to improve the qualit y of existing programs. Som e highlights of the new program activity which comm enced last year, and much of which is continuin g into this year, are shown in the attached statements.

RADIO

Drama and Features: Continues to use addition al funds for the purchase and production of a higher rate of Australian features of all kinds for the now well-established 'Sunday Night R adio Two ': this program pioneered and developed major feature s of up to 2} hours length. T ypical special full-length production s were:

Land of Ghosts including origin al bush stories by Bob Moncrieff, a documentary about the author and his impressions of northern Australia. Journey oj'Aubrey D by John Blay, a fantasy exploration of adolescence.

Charles and Barbara Blackman by Robert Peach. Vo ices of Van Diemen's Land by Jeff Maslin. Glencoe by Douglas Stewart.

Petrol' with Rupert Lockwood , by Tim Bowden .

Peter Porter. expatriate Australian poet. Dingo King by Ivan Smith.

A ustralian material is also being further developed for the Monday night serial spot and for drama productions generally.

Special Projects: Specifically , the book review program 'Books and Ideas' has been extended from 15 to 45 minutes weekly.

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Short stories were especiall y commissioned for 'Sunday Night Radio Tw o' while a new evening series of 15-minute Australian short stories will shortly begin. R esearch for the discussion program 'Lateline' was strengthened enabling it to m aintain its strong international character.

Science:

Comp leted extensive preparation for a major series of six 2-hour program s called 'Investigations' w hich is about to go to air.

Rural: Local content in the national program s 'Sounds Easy' and 'Always on Sunday' has been increased while m ajor elem ents of the 'Country H our' have been presented from each State in turn, allowing for stronger local participation.

Music: Additional effort on a continuin g basis was put into the production of recordings of Au stralian compositions for commercial issue. The basis was laid for the compila " tion of biographical and musical information about Australian composers. A m ajor docum entary was commi ssioned and produced on the life and achievements over 50 years of the noted Australian conductor, Sir Bernard Heinze.

Religion : Produced a special series of six program s called 'Relationships' for children of secondary school age. A second series is in the course of preparation.

Entertainment - Light Music: These additional funds made it possible to extend program series by the Sydney and Melbourne Showband s, which would normally have gone into recess for bud " getary reasons. Both bands we re augmented by adding players to key sections " particularly in the string section.

Local Broadcasting: Funds have been used to develop local programming both at the Branch and R egional level. Rural D epartment extension has been mentioned above but there has been a particular developm ent in the area of local Breakfast Shows: each capital city now has its own locally presented morning program, while funds have also been used to engage comperes for local Breakfast Show s presented by, for instance, all of the N.S.W. R egional Stations and at other m ajor centres throughout Australia.

Extension of Transmission H ours: Funds were used for extra staff to allow for an increase in transmission hours by 1 hour daily: R adio 2 extended transmission from midnight to I a.m. from 30 D ecember 1973; R adio I and 3 opened at 5 a.m. instead of6 a.m. from 3 March 1974.

News: News bureaux were opened in Peking, Brussels and Wellington, widening the available range on on-the-spot news facilities.

Radio Australia: 'Editorial Opinion', previously broadcast for 15 minutes twice a week, became a daily five-minute program in English and Pidgin.

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C hinese program s underwe nt m ajor changes wh en the spoken word content w as increased and a news bulletin in M andarin w as added. New scientific and cultur al talks we re introduced in the M andarin and Cantonese services. The Japanese service also underweent changes in format and context with the introduction of popular mu sical programm es and individual programm e spots.

W ith the transfer on I D ecemb er 1973 of the AB C's responsibility for local broadcasti ng in Papua New Gu inea to the Papua N ew Guinea N ational Broadcasting Comm ission, R adio Australia began a 3~ hour daily service in English for listeners in the area. T his service was supplem ented in June by the introduction of broadcasts

in Pidgin.

TELEVISION

TV Drama: The overall output for 1973-74 represented an increase of more than 30% in the hours produced. The additi onal studio output w as achieved through the introduction of the weekly serial Ce rtain Wo m en and an increase in the number of shorter series produced. The

latter included Fourth Wish, Mar ion, R ush and This Love Affair. The thirteen episode series Castaway w as filmed in colour and was produced as a co-production w ith 'Castaw ay Productions Pty Ltd', 'Scottish Television' and Bayerucher Rundfunk.

Two m ajor features, Essington and Th e Losers, are being held for transmission shortly after 'C' D ay.

Mus ic: There w as a general expansion of activity including the production of the opera Violins of Saint-Jacques in colour and several major programs to mark the opening of the Sydney Op era House. This year's Master Class series included four devoted to operatic interpret ation by Miss Joan Hammond and a pilot series of 'All About

Mu sic' wa s produced to provide a test of the demand for programs dealing with assessm ents of the art of music. The documentary, Fritz Rieger- Portrait of a Conductor, was completed and production commenced of a colour documentary on the life of Sir Bernard Heinze.

T V Features: N ew programs included the highly successful motoring magazine 'Torque', the late-evening series 'Open End' from Canberra and 'An Evening With ... ',a series of personal anthologies of prose and verse.

The N atural History Unit w as able to travel more widely and filmed material from widely separated areas including Macquarie Island, Arnhem Land and Papua New Guinea. A major colour documentary The Year of the Green Centre was produced in co-operation with the BBC and the Time-Life Organisation .

Young People's Programs: The weekly maga zine program for 10-14 year olds w as extended to five days per w eek under the title 'Switched On Set'. 'Otis', which dealt with questions of interest to older teenagers , moved abroad to

report on the trek of young people to London ('The Great Australian Pilgrimage')

Ill

and to the east C D arwin to Bali') and the work of young Australians assisting refugees in Vietnam ('Children of Qui hon'). The drama output from Melbourne was increased and two film colour dramas Birds of" Passage and A Drop in the O cean were produced in Sydney.

Sporting:

A greatly expanded sports program covered many major international events includin g the following live satellite coverages from overseas: Wimbled on Finals World Swimming C hampionships, Belgrade

Da vis Cup Finals, C leveland (8 hours on opening day) Australian World Cup Soccer elimination matches Australia v. Great Britain Rugby League Tests from England 1974 Com m onwealth Games, Christchurch D elayed transmissions included:

Au stralian Rugby Union against England and Wales British Open Golf Championship Admirals C up, Cowes Within Australia there was an increase in sporting programs relayed on the national television service and staff recruitment commenced for a new weekly national sporting maga zine programme.

TV Entertainment: During the year more than one hundred comedy, light music and panel programs were produced for television . Comed y production included two new series, each of 6 episodes- ' Mac and Merle' and 'Scatter good- Friend of All'. A second series of 6 episodes of 'Aunty Jack' was produced. Musical programs included 'Brian Cadd and Family', 'Ted Hamilton's New Wave ' (6 programs introducin g new Au stralian talent) .

Two new mu sic series were m ade to cater to more specialised tastes: 'Sit Yourself Down - Take a Look Around', a contemporary folk program in 6 half hours. 'Jazz'- 8 programs

Education: The preparations for the education project were started by providing each production centre throughout Australia with a film team including operational equipment and Education Officers . The aim of the scheme is to increase the output of education programs for schools by introducing fresh material into the schedules and thereby avoiding a considerable number of repeats .

Religious: In addition to the normal output the new documentary unit commenced pro " duction work in the second half of the financial year with 'Man in Question'- six programs on the convictions of six prominent Australians. Also, production of two colour television programs about the church in New Guinea was com m enced.

Rural: In addition to 'Big Country' production was undertaken of a new senes of 50 documentaries under the title of 'Face Australia ',

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Public AfFairs:

∑Thi s Da y To night' units throughout Au stralia have introduc ed a numb er of new arrangements to improve coverage and comm unications between the six production centres. Regular micro-wave links have been extended from M elbourne to Adelaide and

H obart (and to Perth on occasion). The program was transmitted throughout Australia in a national edition on six occasions. Tw o editions of 'M onday Conference' were recorded overseas in Toronto and Ottawa.

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ABC television news made increasing use of the global satellite system to obtain instant film of significant stories. During the year television news comm enced covering all events in colour.

Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth and H obart: Funds were also given to production centres in Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth and H obart to increase their local output w hich extended over the full spectrum of entertainment and information areas. For instance, a new series for daytime audiences started in Ade laide and other programs included folk music, games participation show s and expansion of sporti ng broadcasts , rural sessions. Also 'This D ay Tonight'

was repeated during the day in Brisbane.

CONCERTS

During 1973-74 there was an increase in concerts as follows: 1972-73

Orchestral Concerts R ecitals Master C lass

Total Paid Concerts

310

149 3

462

1973-74

365 135 5

505

In 1974-75 there will be a reduction of29 in the total numb er of paid concerts.

INFO RM A TION FOR SENATE EST IMAT ES C OMMITT EE C

Y ou will recall that at the Senate Estimates Committee on 15 O ctober 1974 Senator Guilfoyle asked Mr Connolly, Secretary of the Australian Broadcasting Co ntrol Board, how man y standard bearers there will be for colour televi sion between Sydney and Melbourne.

As stated at the time, the relay facilities are the responsibilit y of the Postmaster " General, but I have now ascertained that at the present time there are two dedicated each way bearers and a protection bearer with television capability between Sydney and Melbourne.

It is anticipated that by mid-1975 there will be an additional dedicated each-way bearer installed between Sydney and Melbourne.

DOUGLAS MC C LELLA N D

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AUST R AL IAN BRO A D CASTING C O MMISSI O N

DISSECTION OF ESTIMATES FOR THE YEAR ENDING

30 JUNE 1975

(After allocation of overheads and service department costs)

Radio Television Total

$ $ $

ABC Produced Programs: Dram a 11 39775 8 837 237 9977012

Features - television .. 3259747 3 259 747

Music (excluding orchestras) 2983471 956131 3 939 602

Entertainment 2150876 3 222 124 5 373 000

Young people's programs 490 783 I 751 020 2241803

Education 2417 669 2131 017 4 548 686

Public affairs . 1469 853 6619939 8 089 792

Special projects - radio 1621 879 I 621 879

Science- radio 256 949 256949

Religious 465489 827 087 I 292 576

Rural .. 2 140420 2182 907 4 323 327

Sporting I 167 176 3 787 976 4955152

News service 5 783 782 5115 614 10 899 396

$22088 122 $38 690 799 $60 778 921

Orchestras and concerts .. 8 496 134 381 750 8 877 884

Radio Australia 3 610963 3610963

Purchase of programs 208 710 3 798 242 4006 952

Presentation . distribution and transmission of programs 9 632 110 12355637 21 987747 Publication s and publicit y 924 584 3 345 249 4 269 833

Total gross payments $44960623 $58 571 677 $103 532 300

Less: Receipts 2 507 428 3 024872 5 532 300

N et expenditure $42 453 195 $55 546 805 $98000000

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OVERSEAS REPRESENTATIVES

AUSTRALIAN INFORMATION SERVICE

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27 Au gust 1 974

A ustralian Information Service A ustralian Co nsulate-General International Building 636 Fifth A venue

N ew Y ork, 10020. U.S.A . Director- Mr R . D. Harris Press Officer- Mr J. Coleman Telephone (212) Circle 5 4000

Au stralian Embas sy No. 1-14 Mita 2-Chome Min ato-Ku Tokyo, Japan

4014

Cable Address

(AUSTCOM)

First Secretary (Information) - Mr J. L. Graham First Secretary (Information) - Mr B. Dobbyn Telephone 453-0251 /9 (Mr Graham is the senior officer) (AUSTEMBA) Australian Information Service Canberra House

I 0-16 Mal travers Street Strand London, WC2 4LA . England Director - Mr H. J. Murphy

Director Immigration Publicity - Mr H. Keen Press Officer - Mr P. Kaye Immigration Information Officer - Mr R . Skivington Temple Bar 01-836-2435 (AUSTCOM)

Australian Embassy International Bank for Reconstruction and Development 64-66 Ave D'Iena Paris, 75116. France

First Secretary (Information) - Mr L. Hall First Secretary (Information), Immigration- Mr F. A. Morton Telephone 720--33-04 (AUSTEMBA)

Australian Embassy Koninginnegracht 23 The Hague, The Netherlands First Secretary (lnformation) - Mr B. Martin

Publications Editor- Mr G. Dixon Telephone 070--630983 070--647908 (AUSTEMBA)

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BO N Australian Embassy

Kolnerstrasse I 07 53 Bonn-Bad Godesberg I Bonn, West Germany Information Attache- M r P. Davison

Telephone (02221) 376941-7 (AUSTEMBA)

STOCKHOLM Australian Embassy

Sergels Torg, 12 Stockholm C., Sweden First Secretar y (lnformation) - Mr M.A. McMillan Telephone 24--46-60 WASH! GTON D.C. Australian Embassy .

1601 Massachusetts Avenue Wa shington, D .C. 20036. U .S.A. First Secretary (lnformation) - Mr H. Hurst Second Secretary (Information) - Mr M. Rosel

Telephone (202) 797-3000

SAN FRANCISCO Australian Consulate-General 360 Post Street San Francisco, California 94108. U.S.A . Press and Information Officer - Mr R . Hincksman

Telephone (415) 362-6160 (AUSTCON)

LOS A GELES Australian Consulate-General

Suite 912 3550 Wilshire Boulevarde Los Angeles, California 90010. U.S.A . Press and Information Officer "

Mr J. C. Hanafin Telephone 380--4610 (A USTCON)

OTTAWA Australian High Commission

Royal Bank of Canada Building 90 Sparks Street Ottawa KIP B84. Canada First Secretary (Information) - Mr G . Morris

Telephone 236--0841 (AUSTCOM)

BANGKOK Australian Embassy

Anglo-Thai Building 64 Silom Road Bangkok. Thailand First Secretary (Information) - Mr S. A . Barney

Second Secretary (Information) - Mr A . Miller Telephone 35970/9 (AUSTEMBA)

JAKARTA Australian Embassy

Djalan Thamrin 15 Jakarta , Indonesia First Secretary (Information) - Mr B. Peck Second Secretary (Information) - Mr P. Carpenter

Telephone 56021

SINGAPORE Australian High Commission

201 Clemenceau Avenue Singapore 9 First Secretary (Information) - Mr R . Wall brink Telephone 379-311 (AUSTCOM)

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Australian High Co mmi ssion No . 1/50-G Shantipath Chanakyapuri ew D elhi, India

First Secretar y (Information) - Mr K . D arrow Telephone 70337 (AU STCOM)

Australian High Commi ssion 44 Jalan Ampang Ku ala Lumpur , M alaysia First Secretary (lnformation)- Mr G. R . Wicks

Telephone 80166/9,80541 (AUSTCOM)

Australian Embassy C hina Banking Corporation Building (Cnr Villat Street) Paseo de R oxas

P.O. Bo x 1274 Makati Rizal. Philippin es First Secretary (Information) - Mr N .J. Smail Telephone 87.49.61, 88.26.71/2 (AU STEMBA) Au stralian Embassy

M attiellistrasse 2-4 Postfach 136 1040 Wi en Vienna, Austria

First Secretary (lnformation) - Mr E. Sheil Telephone 52.85.80 (AUSTEMBA)

Australian Embassy Via Alessandria 215 Rome 00187, Italy First Secretary (lnformation)-Mr T. Murrell

T elephone 841241 (AUSTEMBA)

Australian High Commission I.C.I. House (P.O. Box 12145) 4th Floor Molesworth Street Wellington, N.I. New Zealand

First Secretar y (Information)-Mr R. Scambary Telephone 44.410 (AUSTCOM)

Australian Consulate-General 23rd Floor O saka Internation al Building Azuchimachi 2 chome

Higashi ku Osaka, Japan First Secretar y (lnformation) - Mr P. N. Temm Telephone (03) 271-7071 (AUSTCON)

Australian Office P.O. Box 2123 Konedobu, Papua New Guinea First Secretary (Information) - Mr B. Flanagan

Telephone 44661 (Ext. 286) 44882 (Direct) (AUS TOFF)

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BRUSSELS Australian Embassy

52 A venue des Arts I 040 Brussels, Belgium First Secretary (Information) - Mr V. Matthews Telephone 13.41.46 (AUSTEMBA)

MEXICO Australian Embassy

Paseo de Ia Reforma 195, 50 Piso Mexico, 5. D.F. First Secretary (Information) - Mr B. Shirley

Telephone 566-30-55 (AUSTEMBA)

SUVA (approval granted last week)

Senator McClelland, Minister Representing the Minister for Tourism & Recreation

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

During the Senate Estimates Committee hearing on 15 October 1974, Senator Laucke asked the following question: 'What has been expended thus far on the Albury-Wodonga study and what amounts put aside for its completion?' 2. The answer to Senator Laucke's question is attached.

SECRETARY

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DEPARTMENT OF TOURISM AND RECREATION

Senator Laucke: What has been expended thus far on the Albury-Wodonga study, and what am ounts put aside for its completion? Reply:

T o this date $27 994 has been paid to the consulting firm for the Albury-Wodonga study. It is estimated that $26161.50 remains to be paid. This figure may vary slightl y depending on future claims for expenses connected with the survey. The total cost of the study will not exceed $54 500.

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DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION

CAN BERRA, A.C.T.

I II 74

M y dear Minister. In the course of the hearing before Senate Estimates Committee Co n 15 O ctober 1974 it became apparent that member s of the Committee wished for additional information in respect of item s of expenditur e relating to the Au strali an ational University and the Darwin Co mmunity College. This is attached.

I have also attached a statement in relation to the spouse allowance payable under the Tertiary Education Assistance Scheme. This wa s not specific ally requested, but has been included for the information of member s of the Committee. I would appreciate it if you would pass the information to Senator McAuliffe. the Chairman of the Committee.

Senator the Hon. Douglas McClelland Minister for the Media Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely,

K . N. JO ES

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ITEM 214/1

THE AUST RALIAN NAT IONAL UN IVE R SITY

R U I G EXP EN SES- SU PPL E MENTARY GRANT

During the hearing, a break-up of the total of this into academic salaries, non " academ ic salaries and costs other than salaries, was given for 1974--75. Senator Laucke enquired about the variation in these figures from the 1973-74 year. Ex penditur e for 1973-74 can be divided in about the same proportion. This wo uld give the follow ing comp arative table:

Academic Salaries (37% ) No n-academic Salaries (36% ) .. O ther than Salaries (27% )

1973-74 1974-75 $14.5m $14.3m $10.6m

$39.2m

$17.2m $16.7m $12.6m

$46.5m

A m ore detailed dissection of the appropriation s sought for 1974--75 by the A ustralian National U niversity is set out below.

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The Australian National U niversity

Recurrent Estimates- Co mmonw ealth Fiscal Year Ending 30 June 1975

A. Estimated Recurrent Incom e Go vernment Grant (includin g $650000 Statutory Grant and En glish/Malay Dictionar y Grant of $40 000) D epartment of Education letter of 31.7.74 refers Supplementary Grant for Affiliated C olleges Investment Incom e

T otal Estimated Incom e

B. Estimated Recurrent Ex penditure Inslilu/ e of Advanced S1udies John C urtin School of Medical R esearch Research School of Physical Sciences Research School of Social Sciences Research School of Pacific Studies Research School of C hemistry R esearch School of Biological Sciences Research School of Earth Sciences Un allocated Institute Funds School a_{ G eneral S!udies Faculty of Arts Faculty of Economics. Faculty of Law Faculty of Asian Studies Faculty of Science Scholarships Administration U nallocated Posts A cademic Ce111res Centre for Resource and Environmental Studies Hum anities R esearch Centre .. N orth Australi a R esearch Unit Academic Services Library .. Computer Centre Observatory Services Unit Office for Research in A cademic Methods Survey Research Centre Analytical Services Unit Cenlral Areas General University Activities Central Administration Property and Plans Administrative and W elfare Services

Sub-Total Halls of Residence

TOTAL

122

$000

47 257

66

370

47 693

4 884 4 706 3 130 3 584 2 71 9

2877 I 503 17

2 920 I 226 72 1

773 4 710 517 320

85

246 11 0

82

2 301 I 024 I 059 34

53 88

753 3681 2634 870

47627 66

47 693

ITEM 215

DARWIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE

RUNNING EXPENSES - SUPPLEMENTARY GRANT

Information was sought in respect of 'Consumables' and 'General Expenses'. This is set out below: (a) Consumables ($150000) This item provides for day-to-day supplies essential for the running of courses

within the College, of the College Library and the College administration. Apart from stationery and writing materials , it includes materials for trade and craft courses (e.g. wood, metal, pottery , industrial gas cylinders, deter " gents, duplicating spirit, etc.) and minor equipment used in these courses. (b) G eneral expenses ($134 000)

As the description of this item implies, it has many components, the major ones being: Electricity /W ater Rates Publications and Publicity

Telephones and Postage

$50000 $32000 $24000

Lesser amounts are included for things such as advertising for staff, freight, photo-copy rental , official emertainment and garbage collection costs.

ITEM 200/4/02

TERTIARY EDUCATION ASSISTANCE SCHEME SPOUSE ALLOWANCE

A -student who qualifie s for a living allowance may also receive an allowance of $8 per week ($1 0 in 1975) for a spouse who is wholly or substantially dependent. The allowance is a fiat weekly rate and is not payable when the spouse has a separate income in any week. Income includes earnings from employment and assistance from a scholarship for full-time study but does not normally include 'once only' payments, such as lottery prizes, child endowment and maternity allowance, and annual pay "

ments such as bank interest or dividends which do not exceed $50. Students may apply for the dependent spouse allowance at any time during the year but normally do so when applying for their own allowances. A student when applying for the spouse allowance undertakes to advise the Department of Education

in writing within 7 days if the dependent spouse receives any income and failure to comply is an offence under the Student Assistance Regulations.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

R EPORT TO THE SE ATE

Estimates Commit tee D has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

I. On 3 October 1974, the Senate referred to the Co mmittee the Estimates for the year 1974--75 relating. to the follow ing D epartments:

D cp~t rt men t ol" !\ ~ricul t u rc

D epartment ol" U v cr s c ~ t s I raclc D epartment of Minerals and Energy D epartment of the Treasury D epartment of No rthern D evelopment D epartment of the No rthern Territor y D epartment of Manufacturing Industry

2. The Co m mi ttee has considered these Estimates and has received explanation s of them from the Minister for Agriculture (Senator Wriedt) and officers of the Depart " ments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Han sard reports of the e,∑ idence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection \\ith Appropriation Bill ( 1 o. I) 1974 75 and Appropriation Bill ( o. 2)

197 -.J. 75.

3. Subsequent to the Com mittee's examination of the estimates referred , further information wa s forwa rded to the Committee in reply to specific questions raised during. the proceedings. C opies of these replies are attached as an Append ix to the R eport.

4. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following:

(a) During the Comm ittee's examination of the estimates for the Department of Agriculture additi onal information was sought from the Minister and his officers on some of item s of revenue associated with the Department which appeared in the Budget docum ent ∑Estimates or Receipts and Summ ary of Estimated

Expenditur e∑. Whilst this information wa s readily provided by the Minister. the Comm ittee is ol't he opinion that where a department collects revenue wh ich can generally be related-re-that department's estimated expenditure , as proposed to be appropriated by the Appropriation Bills. it wo uld be of considerable interes t and advantage if a statem ent outlining such estimated revenue could be incorporated

in the explanator y notes w hich are circulated to Senators. The Committee feels that this suggestion m ight particularl y apply to those statutory corporations w hich receive an appropriation in the Appropriation Bills and are therefore examinable by the Co mmittees.

The availabilit y or information on the estimated revenue of departments and statutory corporati ons wou ld (a) provide the Estimates Committees with infor " mation on an area w hich attract s littl e Parliamentar y scrutin y; (b) present a broader pictur e or a department's !'unction and (c) would certain ly assist a more

thorough and purposeful examination of departmental estimat es by the Estimates Co mmittee. (b) During the consideration of the estimates for the D epartment of Minerals and Energy (Division 890 -Capital W orks and Services- Sub-division 5- for expenditure under the Petroleum and Min erals Authority Act $50000000) further

information was sought from the responsible Minister on the Authority's use of

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legal advice when undertaking expenditure prior to the hearings of the High Court of Au stralia on the validit y of the Petroleum and Minerals Authorit y Act. At the time of tabling of the Committee's Report the information sought had not been received by the Committee.

5. The Committee places on record its appreciation of the explanations provided by the Minister and departmental advisers both orall y and in the written explanatory notes, which were generally well documented and consequently of great assistance to the Committee during its examination of the estimates .

C . G. PRIMM ER

Chairman

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Estimates Committee D

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO.1 THURSDAY , 17 OCTOBER 1974

I. MEETING: The Committee met at 12.25 p.m.

2. APPOINTMENT OF AND REFERENCE TO ESTIMATES COMMITTEES: The Resolutions of the Senate of I October and 3 October 1974 relating to the appointment of Estimates Committees and the referral of the Particular s of Proposed Expenditure for 1974-75 to the Committees for examination and report was reported

to the Comm ittee. 3. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE: The entry in the Journals of the Senate of 3 October 1974 recording the appointment of members of Estimates Committee D was reported as follows:

Senators Cotton, McLaren , Martin, Primmer, Walsh and Webster.

4. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator McLaren, Senator Primmer was elected Chairman. Senator Primmer thereupon took the Chair. 5. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman made an introductory state " ment.

6. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE: Pursuant to Order of the Senate, the Committee commenced consideration of the Particular s of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending on 30 June 1975 and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in Respect of the year ending on

30 June 1975 relating to the following departmental estimates.

Do cumelll* Page

A 13-17

B 6-7

A 84-86

B 19

A 74-77

B 17-18

A 130-133

B 26-27

A 134

B 27

A 78-79

B 18

A 80-83

B 18-19

A 66-69

B 16

Departmental Estimates to be examined (Minister: Senator the Hon. K . S. Wriedt)

Division

Department

No.

114-118 A griculture 807-809 Agricultur e 390-394 Overseas Trade 907 Ov erseas Trade

350-359 Minerals and Energy 890 Min erals and Energy 580-586 Treasury 965-967 Treasury

590 Adv ance to the Treasurer 970 Advance to the Treasurer 370 Northern D evelopment 894-895 Northern D evelopment 380-382 Northern Territor y

900 Northern Territor y 315-323 Manufacturing Industry** 881-883 Manufacturing Industry

Amoulll

$

49418000 47 480 000 27 205 000 250 000

44181 000 132 944 000 132 627 000 16953000

75 000 000 75 000 000 2 547 000 I 355 000

36 213 000 15557000 94 809000 27 184000

* Document A - ' Particu lars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending on 30 June 1975". * Document B- "Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1975" ** Excluding those items under the control of the D epartment of Defence (division 325), D epartment of H ousing and Construction (divis ions 326, 327) and the D epartment of Services and Property (divisions 328, 329).

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7. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Agriculture

A Jifii:'CII'ing: Senator the H onourable K . S. Wriedt, Minister for Agricultur e, accompanied by the follow ing officers: M r W. D . H ardy

Mr J. G. R ainbow

Mr F. J. O 'Bryan

Mr E. S. H offman

Mr A. J. Bennett

Mr B. V. Lilburn

M r A. E. W allace

Mr G . E. Few ster

Mr A. R. K yburg

Mr A. G. Bollen

Acting Assistant Secretary, M arketing and Production Branch, Industry N o. I (Meat and Me at Products) Division

Assistant Secretar y, Industry o. I (Me at and Meat Products) Division

A ssistant Secretary , Marketing and Stabilis-ation Branch, Industry o. 2 (D airy Products) Division

A ssistant Secretar y, Production and Inspection Services Branch, Industry No. 2 (D airy Products) Division

A ssistant Secretar y, G eneral Crops and In " spection Services Branch, Industry No. 3 (Field Crops) Division

Principal Executive Officer, Cereals and V egetables Oilseeds Branch, Industry No.3 (Field Crops) Division First Assistant Secretar y, Industry o. 4

(Horticultural Crops) Division

Assistant Secretar y, Fruit, Win e and Inspection Services Branch, Industry No. 4 (H orti " cultural Crops) Division

Assistant Secretar y, Sugar, Vegetables and Canned, Fruit Branch, Industry o. 4 (Horticultura l Crops) Division

First Assistant Secretary o. S (Fisheries ) Division

Mr J. W. Van Holst Pellekaan First Assistant Secretar y, Industry No. 6 (Wool) Division

Mr E. Malikides Principal Executive Officer, Reconstruction

Branch, Development Division

Dr R. N. Farquhar Assistant Secretary , Extension Services Branch, Agriculture and Food Services Division M r B . Barlow Senior Executive Officer, Agriculture and Food

Services Division

M r J. Carney Principal Executive Officer, Agriculture and

Food Services Division

Mr D.P. Cleary Acting Assistant Secretary , Management

M r L. C. Elliott

Mr A. A. Cooley

Services Branch Director , Finance and Gen eral Services, Management Services Branch Senior Finance Officer, Finance Section,

M anagement Services Branch

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Mr G. L. Miller Deputy Director , Bureau of Agricultural

Economics

Mr A. G. McArthur Director, Forest Research Branch, Forestry and Timber Bureau. Treasury Officials: MrS. G. Herring, Assistant Secretary , Accounting Operations Branch; MrS. J.

Woodley , Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: D ocum ent A Division 114-Administrative Division 115- Export Inspection Services - Meat

Division 116-Export Inspection Services - Other than Meat Division 117- Bureau of Agricultural Economics Division 118- Forestry and Timber Bureau Document B

Division 807- Capital Works and Services Division 808- Payments to or for the States Division 809- 0ther Service-s

$

21 217 000 18 855 000 2 878000 3 606000

2862000

85600

47144400 250000

8. Particulars of proposed expenditures: Department of The Northern Territory

Senator the Honourable K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Agriculture and Minister representing the Minister for the Northern Territory, accompanied by the following officers: Mr C. J. Stephens

Mr W. J. F. Hull

Treasury Officials:

First Assistant Secretary , Management, Legis " lation and Planning Branch

Acting Assistant Secretary , Finance, Supply and Transport

MrS. G. Herring, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch; MrS. J. Woodley, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: Document A

Division 380-Administrative Division 382-Northern Territory Legislative Council Document B Division 900-Capital Works and Services

9. Particulars of proposed expenditure: Department of Overseas Trade Appearing:

$

35 770200 542 800

15 557 000

Senator the Honourable K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Agriculture and Minister representing the Minister for Overseas Trade, accompanied by the following officers: Mr W. Ratcliff Acting Assistant Secretary. Management

Mr H. R. Hegarty Mr J. B. Rutter

Mr G. M. Hill

Mr P. S. Field

Services Branch

Director , Finance and Services Director, Trade Fairs, Display and Project Section

Assistant Secretary, Trade Services Division

Assistant Secretary, Trade Services Division

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Mr R . J. T homa s Assistant Secretary.

Services Branch. Division

A D P and Technical

Policy D c,∑elopment

M r F. D. Q uinane Assistant Secretary. Trade Commi ssioner

Branch. O verseas Ma rkets Division

Trca.lurr Officials: Mr S. G . H erring, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Op erations Branch; M rS. J. W oodley, Senior Finance O fficer. A ccounting Op erations Branch. The follow ing particulars of proposed expenditur e were considered :

D ocum ent A Division 390- A dministrative Division 394--Trade Comm issioner Service Docu m ent B

Division 907- Ad m inistrative

$

18534000 8 671 000

250000

I 0. Particulars of proposed expenditure: Department of Minerals and Energy Appearing: Senator the H onourable K. S. Wried!. Minister f or Agricultur e and Minister representing the Minister for Min erals and Energy, accompanied by the follow ing officers:

Mr D . H . Hunter First Assistant Secretary

M r R. H . J. Thompson

Mr D . M . M cA lister

Mr L. R . Riches

Assistant Secretary. Managemen t Services

Assistant Secretary. General Branch

Finance Olticer

M r L. G. Turner A ssistant D irector. D ivision of National

Mapping

Mr K . R . Yale Assistant Director. Bureau of Min eral Rc "

source.s. G eology and G eophysics

Joint Coa l Board Mr A . W . Murray. Secretary: Mr L. G. O 'Brien. C hief Accountant. Australian Atomic Energy Co mmission Dr R . Smith, Director, Ex ternal R elations Section; M r R. C. Co les, Director of

Finance SnoiiT M ounwins Hrdro-electric Authoritr:

Mr W . W oodwa rd, C hief Finance Officer. Treasury O fficials: MrS . G. Herring, A ssistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch; MrS . J. W oodley, Senior Finance Officer. Accounting Operations Branch.

The following parti culars of proposed expenditur e were considered: D ocum ent A Division 350-Administrati ve Division 352- Division of National Mapping

Division 355- Bureau of Min eral Resources, G eology and G eophysics Division 357- Joint Coal Board .. Division 359- Au strali an Atomic Energy Co mmi ssion

II. ADJOURNMENT: The Co mmittee adjourned at 10.35 p.m .

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$

5 324000 5 784 000

16275 000 767 000 16031000

12. ATTEN D ANCE: The follow ing members of the Com mittee were present: Senator Primmer (Chairm an) and Senators Cotton, McLaren , Martin, W alsh and Webster. Senators Greenwood , Maun sell, Scott, and Young also took part in the

Committee's proceedings.

Confirmed

C. G. PRIMMER

Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO .2

TUESDAY, 22 OCTOBER 1974

I. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m . The Chairman (Senator Primm er) took the Chair.

2. Consideration of particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Minerals and Energy Appearing: Senator the Honourable K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Agriculture and Minister assisting the Minister for Minerals and Energy, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr D . H . Hunter Mr R . H. J. Thompson Mr D . M. McAlister Mr L. R. Riches Mr L. G . Turner

Mr K. R . Vale

Joint Coal Board:

Mr A. W. Murray Mr L. G. O'Brien

First Assistant Secretar y

Assistant Secretary, Management Services

Assistant Secretar y, General Branch

Finance Officer

Assistant Director, Division of National Mapping

Assistant Director , Bureau of Mineral Re " sources, Geology and Geophysics

Secretar y

Chief Acwuntant

Australian A Iamie Energy Commission:

Dr R. Smith Director , External Relations Section

Mr R . C. Coles Director of Finance

Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority:

Mr W. Woodward Chief Finance Officer

Pipeline Authorit y:

Mr J. K . Kaye Secretary

Mr A. E. Crebbin Assistant Secretary

Petroleum and Minerals Authority:

Mr B. H arvey Manager (Administration)

Mr T. Wharton Director (Management Services)

Treasury Officials: Mr D . J. Hill, First Assistant Secretary , Accounting and Supply Division; Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch

136

Th e follow ing particu lars of proposed expenditure were considered: Docum enr B Division 890---Capital Work s and Services 132 944000

3. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of the Treasury Appearing: Senator the H onourable K . S. Wriedt. Minister for Agricultur e and Minister representing the Treasurer, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr D. P. R eynolds

Mr K . B. Moore

Mr . Stuparich

M r A. J. Law rence

Mr B. MacD onald

Mr R . S. StGeorge

Mr D . J. Hill

Mr C. J. D olman

Mr L. A. Barley

Rom/ Ausrraiian Min i:

Mr J. B. Joslin

Actmg A ssistant Secretary, Mana gem ent Services

Finance O fficer. Management Serivces

Chief Finance Officer (Overseas Econom ic R elations Division)

Finance Officer (Defence and W orks Division)

C hief Finance Officer (R evenue, Loans and Investment Division)

Acting C hief F inance Officer (Revenue, Loans and Investment Division)

First Assistant Secretary (Accounting and Supply Division)

Senior F inance Officer (Accounting and Supply Division)

Senior Programmer (Accounting and Supply D ivision)

Con troller

A usrralian Gorem111enr Rerire111enr Benefirs Office:

Mr D . N. Droop Director (Services)

Ausrralian Ta.wtion O ffice:

Mr E. R. Marriott

Mr J. E. Scanlan

Mr D. C. Wa lker

Assistant Comm issioner. Management Services

Assistant Commissioner, General Legislation

Finance Officer

The following particular s of proposed expenditure were considere d :

D ocument A

Division 580---Administrative Division 58!- Taxation R eview Comm ittee Division 582- Australian T axation Office Division 584--Taxation Boards of R eview Division 586-Australia n Governme nt R etir ement Benefits

Office

137

$

19 102400 209 600 109224200 88 800

4002000

Do cument B

Division 965- Capital Work s and Services Division 967- Payments to or for the States 2 642 000 14 311 000

D ocum ent A

Division 590- Ad vance to the Treasurer 75 000000

D ocum ent B Division 970- Advance to the Treasurer 75 000 000

4. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Northern Development Appearing: Senator the Honourable K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Agriculture and Minister representing the Minister for Northern Development, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr R. F. Felgenner

Mr R. F. O 'Donohue

Mr B. Smith Mr C. G. Fereday

Treasurr O fficials:

Mr D. J. Hill

M r C. J. Dolman

First Assistant Secretary, Commodities Div-ISion

Assistant Secretary. Min erals Branch

Assistant Secretary, Projects No .2 Branch

Director, Managem ent and Special Services Branch

Assistant Secretary, Accounting and Supply Division

Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: Document A Division 370- Administrative Document B

Division 894-Capital Works and Services Division 895-Payments to or for the States

$

2 547000

930000 425 000

5. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Manufacturing Industry Appearing: Senator the Honourable K. S. Wriedt, Minister for Agriculture and Minister representing the Minister for Manufacturing Industry , accompanied by the following officers:

Mr H. J. Ryan, First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Management Services): Mr A. M. Godfrey, First Assistant Secretary (Industrial Policy and Planning).

Treasury Officials:

M r D. J. Hill, First Assistant Secretary , Accounting and Supply Division; Mr C. J. Dolman, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch.

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Department of D efence R epresentatives Mr M. N. W oolley, Assistant Secretary , Program Management , Department of D efence; Mr D . D. Wood , Assistant Secretary , Logistic Management and Industria l Policy, D epartment of Defence. Th e following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Docum ent A D ivision 315- Administrative D ivision 317- Australian Industrial Re search and Develop-m ent Grants Board Division 318- Storage Services .. Division 319- Furniture Removals and Storage Division 320- Maintenance of Production Capacity Division 321- Reserve Stocks CR

Division 322- Production Development Division 323- Production Assistance

D ocum ent B Division 881- Capital Works and Services Division 883- 0ther Services

$

28 797000

15 368000 5 016000 9134000 21 774000

89000 7 339 000 7 470000

16944000 10240000

The Minister and D epart men tal O fficers and M em bers olthe Press and Public withdr ew.

6. R EPORT OF THE COMMITTEE : The members of the Committee discussed its proposed draft report.

7. ADJOURNMENT : The Committee adjourned at 9.48 p.m .

8. ATTENDANCE : The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Primmer (Chairman) and Senators McLaren, Martin, Walsh and Webster. Senators Durack, Greenwood and Young also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

Confirmed

C. G . PRIMMER

Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO.3 THURSDAY , 31 OCTOBER 1974

1. MEETING: The Committee met at I 0.30 a.m . The Chairman (Senator Primmer) took the Chair.

2. MINUTES: The Minutes of the meetings held on 17 and 22 October 1974 were read and confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman presented a Draft Report for consideration by the Committee. Resolved: That the Report be agreed to with an amendment.

4. ADJOURNMENT : The Committee adjourned at fifteen minutes to eleven a.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Primmer (Chairman) and Senators Cotton, McLaren and Webster. An apology was received from Senator Martin.

C. G. PRIMM ER

Chairman

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Appendix

AUSTRALIAN MINISTER FOR AGRICULTURE

Dear Cyril,

CANBERRA , A.C.T. 2600

30.10.74

During the Committee's examination of the estimates of the Department of Agriculture, Senator Cotton requested that a table of receipts be provided and he also raised questions in relation to the activities of the Australian Wool Corporation. Although it is outside the estimates of expenditure under examination by the Committee, I enclose for the Committee's information a summary showing amounts credited to heads of revenue during 1973-74 and the estimated amounts for 1974-75. Explanations for the more significant variations are attached.

As regards the activities of the Australian Wool Corporation , the main question of principle concerning the appropriate method by which Parliament should review the Corporation's finances and operations requires consideration. The functions and powers of the Corporation are defined in the W oo/Industry Act 1972 and details of its costs, revenues and activities are only available directly from the Corporation.

Members of the Committee are probably aware that the Corporation 's Interim Annual Report for 1973-74 was tabled recently . For convenience I attach a copy of the financial statements included in that Report. This is the only readily accessible financial information which I can provide to the Committee within the time available.

However, the major aspect requiring consideration is the question of principle mentioned above.

Senator C. G. Primmer Chairman Senate Estimates Committee D Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely,

KEN WRIEDT

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SUMMARY OF ESTIMATED REVE NUE

Item o( R ei'!!IIU!!

Agricultural Re-establishment Loans- Interes t Agricultur al Re-establishment Loans- Repayments Apple and Pear Export Charge Apple and Pear Export Duty Butter Fat Levy . Canned Fruit Export Charge Canning Fruit Charge .. Canned Fruit Industry Assistance - Interest . Canned Fruit Industry Assistance - Repayments

Dairying Research Levy Dried Fruit Export Charge Dried Fruits Levy Dried Vine Fruits Levy Egg Export Charge Honey Export Charge .. Honey Levy Inspection Service C harges Livestock Slaughter Levy- Cattle Livestock Slaughter Levy- Sheep and Lambs Marginal D airy Farms- Interest Marginal Dairy Farms- Repayments Meat Chicken Levy Meat Export Charge- Cattle Meat ..

- Other Meat

Meat Research- Recoverable Administrative Charges Pig Slaughter Levy Poultry Industry Levy Recoupment of Meat Export Inspecti on Expenses Recoupme nt of contribution to Eradication of Bo vine Brucellosis and

Tuberculosis States Grants- Rural Reconstruction- Repayments - Interest Tobacco Charge War Service Land Settlement Loans- Intere st War Service Land Settlement - R ents War Service Land Settlement - Repayment by Settlers War Service Land Settlement - Other Wheat Export Charges .. Wheat Tax Wine Grape Charges Wool Tax Wool Industry Research- Recoverable Administrative Charge Miscellaneous

144

Revenue 1973-74

$

4926 79 660 335 728 10501 1672847

291 800 182 829 391 807 962 500 513 123

86 818 43 977 IL

3 370 1486 128 716 139409 2 847 845

907 788 449 874 71 732 145 626 5 668 709

967 036 177 284 214 719 11 612025

NIL

NIL

IL

4195955 535 353 1156479 1443 931 6 652 995

892 563 9 842 503 1104012 791 528 26 531 399

458 082 I 875 295

83392231

Estimote 1974-75

$

4000 50 000 450 000 100000 I 820000

310 000 150000 291 000 889 000 520 000

11 8000

35 000 156000 5 000 25000 150 000 120000 3 542000

I 074000 532 000 62000 133000 26 300 000

2400000 209000 220000 II 500000 26000000

10969000 185 000 6 740 000 510000

738000 I 162 000 4607000 777000 39 000 000

I 320000 705000 71700000 544000

550000

216672000

DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

EXPLANATION FOR MAJOR VARIATIONS IN

ESTIMATED REV ENUE FOR 1974--75 AS COMPARED

WITH 1973-74 REVENUE

(a) Meat Export Charge - Cattle Meat - Other Meat

1973-74

$

5 668 709 976036

1974--75

$

26300000 2400000

The estimated increase is due to the effect of collecting charges for a full year with allowance also for an increased level of exports. (The 1974--75 estimates require revision due to the decline in exports.)

(b) Recoupment of meat export Inspection expenses (c) Recoupment of contribution to eradication of bovine brucellosis

1973-74 $

NIL

1974--75 $

26000000

and ruberculosis NIL I 0 969 000

These two heads of revenue are for accounting purposes only to enable the two respective Trust Accounts to be debited with relevant expenditur e.

1973-74 1974--75

(d) Wheat export charges $ $

9 842 503 39 000 000

These charges are payable by the Australian Wheat Board consequent upon higher export prices wh ich are in excess of the guaranteed price. 1973-74 1974--75

(e) Wool tax $ $

26531399 71700000

The increase is due to the additional wool tax of 5% payable on wool sold on or after 2 September 1974 to cover possible losses incurred by the Wool Corporation in its operation of a floor price scheme.

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AUSTRALIAN WOOL CORPORATION INTERfM

Balance Sheet as at 30 June /974

30 June 1974

$ $ $

C urrent assets Cash and bank balances. Debtors 21 10975

Less: Provision for doubtful debts 17 733 2 093 242

I nco me accrued 174 572

Investments (at cost): Maturing within 12 months 7050000

Investments (at cost): Brokers' surplus PAP funds Prepayments 11 3421

Stocks of wool (at cost): Non-PAP (See note) 46 845 234

PAP

56276469

Current liabilities Bank overdraft 734470

Creditors and accrued liabilities 7 720 844

Brokers' advances on PAP stocks Brokers' surplus PAP funds

8455314

47821155

Other assets Investments (at cost) 2827 668

Advances and sundry items 132 423

Land and building s (at cost) 30 504465

Less: Provision for depreciation 438 402 30066 063

Machinery, equipment, furniture and motor vehicles (at cost) 1465446

Less: Provision for depreciation 582 311

883 135

33 909 289

81 730444

Other liabilities Claims for damages- Bo tany fire 44 744

Long term loans: Wool Stores 6000000

Yennora 17 000000

23 000 000

23 044 744

58 685 700

Amounts are Interim only and rema in subjecr ro audir.

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30 June 1973

$

969 !57

I 842 930 2 009 853

38615000

2 880 000 60 181

900 762 23061242

70 339 125

I 777 455 23001609 2 880 000

27 659 064

42 680061

2 457 973 !55 203

24 268 350

693 414

27 574 940

70 255 001

752 250

6000000

14945667

21697917

48 557 084

Balance Sheet as at 30 June 1974 (Continued)

Provisions and reserves Long service leave Amortisation Store Ill Carrington Property Replacement and Development Sinking Fund Appropriation Account. W ool Trading Operations Reserve:

Balance I 1 uly 1973 Transfer from Woo l Profit and Loss Account

Accumu lated funds Balance I July 1973 Payments in respect of Botany Fire

Transfer from Statement of Income and Expenditure

$

30 965 848

6 164 300

30 June 1974

$

280 878 60203 4013412 I 151400

37 130 148

13752461 210135

13 542 326

2 507 333

30 June 1973

$ $

199 228 53 453 2 997 341 588 753

24 176178

6 789 670

42 636 041 34 804 623

14317752 24879

14292873

(540412)

16 049 659 13752461

58 685 700 48 557 084

NO TE∑ Stock at 30 June 1974 shown at cost. estimated market value $43230000. It was not practicable to conduct a physical examination of stock held at 30 June 1974.

Amou/1/s are Interim only and remain subject to audit.

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AUSTRALIAN WOOL CORPORATION INTERIM W ool Profit and Loss Account for year ended 30 June 1974

No n-PA P Wool Trading Op erations Sales

Cost of Sales Stock on hand I July 1973 Purchases

Less: Stock on hand 30 June 1974

Gross Profit (loss) on N on-PAP trading Trading Expenses Inter est .. Storage

H andling Selling

Profit (loss) on Non-PAP trading

PA P Woo l Trading Operations PAP Pool No . 5- Sale of part of inventory in PAP Pool No .6

Sales Cost of Sales

Gross Profit H andling and selling expenses.

Profit - Part PAP Pool o. 5 inventory PAP Pool No. 6- Sale of inventory in PAP Pool o. 7 Sales Cost of Sales

Gross Loss H andling and selling expenses.

$

900 762 61 836981

62 737 743 46 845 234

50 337 587 994 296 729 502 258

30 750 708 20 320 886

10429 822 944850

18516583 19 290065

773 482 614 212

$

14 972 956

15 892 508

(919553)

1437318

(2356871)

9484972

Loss- PAP Pool No . 6 inventory (I 387 694)

Am ounts are flllerim only and remain subject to audit.

148

6 months 30 June 1973

$

10037974

5328 153 3 455 263

8 783416 900 762

7 882 654

2 !55 320

41 8 589 76 789 !57 538

652 916

I 502404

Pool 0. 4

and pan Pool 0. 5

14112793 8 827 489

5 285 304 513 096

4 772 208

Wool Profit and Loss Account for year ended 30 June 1974 (Continued)

PAP Pool o. 7- Sale of inventor y Sales Cost of Sales

Gross Loss H andling and selling expenses.

Loss- PAP Pool o. 7 inventory

Profit on PAP operations

on-Trading Income Interest

Profit transferred to Wool Trading Operations Reserve

Amounts are Interim only and remain subject t o audit.

149

$

7 612978 8 078 345

465 367 236480

$

(701 847)

6 mon ths 30 June 1973

$

7 395 431 4 772 208

I 125 740 515058

6164300 6789670

A U STRALIA N WOOL CO R PORAT IO N

INTE RIM

Statement of" Income and Expenditure for _\'ear ended 30 June 1974

Incom e Proceeds from W ool Tax __ Au stralian G overnment grant for woo l prom otion Proceeds from deductions from ;tuction sales Woo l Stores Y en nora Australia n W ool Testing Authority Interest Other incom e

Ex penditure M em bers of Corporation- Fees. allowances and expenses _ . Au stralian W ool Industry Conference Executive- Fees.

expenses and secretariat costs Joint W ool Selling Organisation : Expenses_ Salaries:

Ad m inistration. accouming and other services Product Op erations Fibre M arketing W ool Stores Au stralian W ool T esting Authority

O ther Expenses: A dm inistration. accounting and other services Product Ope rations Fibre Marketing Wo ol Stores A ustralian Woo l Testing Authority

International Wool Secretariat contrib ution Interest on long term loans Woo l Stores Yennora _

Y ennora- O ther expenses Mi scellane ous Depreciation

Am ounts are Interim onlt∑ and remain suhject to audil.

150

s

:178 210 561 479 I 008 731 275 824 I 175942

595 770 1524 716 69 1 138 I 243 622

566 128

372 750 819673

s

15 616 796 15 700 000 I X5 914 4 162 900

I 471570 I 942 659 538 111 66 16 :1

39695213

114 576

:13 750

16 -160

-' 400 186

4621374 25 636 128

I 192423 307 399 28 116 26 1 620

(,month, .\0 J UllC 197.\

s

1 5 ~0 663

5 516000 11X3 -1-N 2 0-16 5-10 67-1137

711 760 1 7J~5()

:15 08-l

I :1 960 88.\

:1-1595

9 50-l

7 369

158 5-l-l 150 5~1 -178 7X I

110 :1 -l ~ -158 8:1:1

1-167021

219 661 I 197 310 411 441 640 9:19

187 719

2657071 9 134 58-l

135 783 398 980

534 763 141 8:14 2 130 124 960

35612032 141 13831

Statement of Incom e and F:xpenditur e for year ended 30 June 1974 (Continued)

Excess of incom e over expenditur e Appropriations: Sinking Fund App ropriation A ccount: W ool Stores

Yen nora

Property Replacem ent and D evelopm ent

T ransferred to Accumulated Funds

$167250 345 498

Amounts are interim only and remain subject to audit.

151

$

512 748 I 063 I 00

6 months 30 June 1973

$ $

4083 181 (152 949)

134140 133 323

267 423 120000

I 575 848 387 463

2 507 333 (540 412)

AUSTRALIAN WOOL CORPORATIO N

Australian Government Support-Price Averaging Plan INTERIM Statement of Receipts and Payments for six months ended 30 June 1974

Australian Governme nt Support receipts and payme nts in respect of re-handling and additional administration charges:

Ba lance I July 1973 Investments Less: Bank O verdraft

Receipts A ustralian Government contribution Interest

Payme nts ∑ PAP Pool No. 6 (balance) PAP Pool No. 7 Repayment to the Australian Government

Balance 30 June 1974 Investments Less: Bank Overdraft

Amoun ts are.f nterim only and remain subject to audit.

152

$

628 000 124 299

525 000 4 326

663 244 239 260 130 523

$

503 70 1

6 months 30 June 1973

$

353 000 12 793

365 793

I 650000 7973

529 326 I 657 973

I 033 027 2 023 766

I 033 027

N IL

I 520065

628000 (124 299)

503 701

A U STRALIAN WOOL CORPORATION Wool (Deficiency Paym ents) Act 1971-1973 IN T E R IM

Statement of Receipts and Payments for year ended 30 June 1974

Cash at bank 1 July 1973 Receipts Australian G overnment- deficiency payments. - administration

Appraisement fees .. R efunds by brokers of advances made for PAP wool . Refunds of overpayments

Payme nts D eficiency payme nts made under the Wool (Deficiencv Paymems) Act 1971-1973 Administration - salaries ..

_:other expenses

Repayments to the Australi an Government

Cash at bank 30 June 1974

Amounts are Interim only and remain subject to audit.

153

$

2068 7 662

6 months 30 June 1973

$ $

9 730 193

4427 51 513 444

11 649

9 730 68 226

4427 21 031 21 389

9 730 11649

NIL 9 730

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

l7 OCTOB E R 1974

DEPARTMENT OF AGRI CU LT U RE

During the examination of Item 11 4-2-01, Travelling and Subsistence , Senator W ebster and Senator McLaren requested additional information in respect of a motor vehicle provided for the use of Ministerial staff . This vehicle, a Leyland Marina 4-cylinder, has been on hire from the D epartment of Capital Territor y since 22 February 1974. The current rates of charge are $156.00 per annum for hire plus a running charge of $0.03 per kilometre. On the basis of an estimated usage of 13 000 kilometres per annum the total annual cost i s $546.00.

Prior to the hire of this vehicle the arrangements were that a car with driver was ordered from the Transport Pool of the Department of Capital T errit ory for each individu al journey. The current rate of charge for this service is $0.05 per kilometre plus an hourly rate of$7.56. The total cost under this arrangement is estimated to be $2600 per annum .

As a result of the permanent hire of a vehicle for the use of Ministerial Staff a reduction in expenditure of approximately $2000 per annum is being achieved.

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17 OCTOBER 1974

DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE During the examination of Item 114-2-0 I, Travelling and Subsistence , Senator Cotton requested that he be supplied with a list of Departmental officers who would be travelling overseas during 1974-75 to attend various international conferences.

Officers who are expected to travel overseas are listed hereunder: Name and Designation Purpose of Visit Mr L. E. Nicholls - (i) F.A.O.fWHO

Commo nwealth D airy E xpert (ii) International

Mr E. A. Purnell- Webb-Assistant Secretary , Fisheries Division

Mr A. G. Bollen- First Assistant Secretary , Fisheries Division Mr P. R yan- Assistant Secretar y, Fisheries

Division (2 visits) and one Officer to be selected Mr P. Ryan- Assistant Secretar y, Fisheries

Division Mr A. G. Bollen-First Assistant Secretary, Fisheries Division Mr A. G . Bollen- First Assistant Secretary , Fisheries Division

Mr P. Ryan- Assistant Secretary , Fisheries Division, and I Officer to be selected Mr J. James- Technical Ad viser, Wool Measurement Standards - (2 visits)

Mr J. W . Van Holst Pellekaan, First Assistant Secretary , Wool Division

Dairy Federation -Annual Meeting (iii) International Conferences

Australia /New Zealand Agreement and Star Kist discussions International Whaling

Commission Meeting Australia /Papua New Guinea Fisheries Agreement

Law of Sea Conference

Australian / Indonesia Fisheries Agreement Australian / Japanese

Fisheries Agreement

International Wool Textile Organisation Meetings

Discussions on Wool Marketing ∑Proposals

155

Destination Japan

Italy, U.K. U.S.A.

New Zealand

U .K. and United States Papua/New Guinea

New Zealand

Indonesia

Japan

Europe

Europe and U .S.A.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

17 OCTOBER 1974

DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

During the examination of Item 117-3-01 , National Agricultural Outlook Conference, Senator Webster requested additional information in respect of printing costs. The cost of the Fourth Annual Conference held in February 1974 was $45 945, and comprised the following:

Servicing Office requisites Printing Incidental

$

7 488 I 826 34 312 2 359

45 945

Expenditure under Division 117-3-01 in 1973-74 was $29 945 ; however, an account for $16 000 from the Government Printer for printing costs of the Conference was not paid in 1973-74. The estimate of $47 000 in 1974-75 for printing provides for:

(i) carry over from 1973-74--Fourth Conference (ii) Estimated cost

of Fifth Conference

16 000

31 000

$47 000

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17 OCTOBER 1974

DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

During the Committee's examination of Division 114, Sub-Division 3 Senator Young requested information about the main areas in which fishing research is being undertaken and the cost of this research to the Australian Government. The Australian Government matches, on a dollar for dollar basis, money raised by the States from the fishing industry and paid into approved fisheries research funds. The Australian Government's contribution is paid into the Fishing Industry Research Trust Account, grants from which are recommended by a special committee composed of representatives of the Australian Government, States fisheries auth " orities and the fishing industry. Each State has full control of expenditure from its own research fund.

Expenditure on projects financed by the Australian Government from the Fishing Industry Research Trust Account was $426 228 in 1973-74 compared with an estimate of $643 670 for 1974-75. Details of the 1973-74 expenditure and 1974-75 estimate for individual projects are given on Attachment A.

157

Orgarrisarion Project

CS IRO I. No rthern prawn research

2. Studies of prawn processing and qualit y 3. Processing of abalone 4. Monitoring program of surface sea propertie s 5. Handbook ofAusrra/ian Fisheries 6. Aerial survey for S. E. pelagic llsh stock assessment. 7. Research on technology of separating m eat from rock

lobster and llsh

NS.W. I. High density oyster cultur e and oyster husbandry Stare Fisheries 2. Oyster pathology services 3. Raft culture of edible mussel 4. F ish smo king extension service Vicrorian D ivision of Fisheries and

Wildlife Queensland D eparrmenr of Primary Industries

I. Investigation into m ercury and other heavy m etals in shark and other commerc ial fish 2. Commercial shark llshing investigations

Studies of llsh spoilage in Qu eensland

South Ausrra/ian 1. Studies on western population of Southern Rock Department of Fisheries W esrern AusTralian D epartme111 of Fisheries and Fauna Tasmanian D epartment of Agriculture University of N.S. W. South Australian Fishermen's Co-operative Ltd

W estern Australian Institute of Technology Eden Fishermen's Co -operative Australi an D epartment of Agriculture

Lobster

I. Study of rock lobster preditation by octopus 2. Monitoring and evaluation of managem ent m easures in W .A. rock lobster llshery 3. Development of farm dam culture of Marron 4. Scholarships for trainee fishermen

I. Laboratory rea rings of commercial scallops .. 2. Background study on commercial utilisation of sea urchin 1. Feasibility study of raft culture of edible mussel on the

Australian east coast 1. Shark handling and processing methods

I. Improve echo-sounder and sonar perfom1ance 111 Australian prawn fisheries

I. Practical research and investigation into the suitability of various species of llsh for use in prepared foods ..

1. Fisheries officers course 2. National Fisheries Seminar 3. National Prawn Seminar 4. Seminar on fish population dynamics 5. Sonar operations course

TOTALS

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AITACHMENT A

Expendirure 1973-74

$

I 03 900 10 348 I 291 II 000

7 623

27 865 27 506 27 673 17910

20963 50409

6 068

II 290

12 252

14 207 22 720 6 900 15108

19774

1255 4543 5 623

426 228

Estimate 1974-75

$

I 03 900 19 500

12 760 75 000

15410 67 400 30 290

II 620

28 590 69 270

7900

31 100

13 910

15 110 21960 7000 10940

15450

29160 12 540

14090

24300

I 050 5420

643 670

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

17 OCTOBER 1974

DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

During the examination of the Forestry and Timber Bureau estimates (Division 11 8), Senator Cotton requested identification of the Forestry Research Institute

expenditure s for 1973-74 and estimates for 1974-75.

The information sought by Senator Cotton is detailed hereunder:

Item

1.01: Salaries and allowances 02: Overtime

Total Sub-Division 118/1

2.01: Travelling and subsistence .. 02: Office requisites and equipment, stationery and printing 03: Postage, telegrams and telephone services 04: Office services 05: M otor vehicles- hire. maintenance and running expenses 06: General stores 07: Forestry scholarships-university fees and sustenance payments 08: Printin g of publications 09: Purchase of seeds for sale and research

I 0: Computer services II: Consultants ' fees 12: Incidental and other expenditure

Total Sub-Division 118/2

!59

F. R.I.

Expenditure Estimate 1973-74 1974-75

$ $

I 230 000 1465 100

34 720 32 900

---I 264 720 1498 000 ---52 500 59000 36450 41000 33 800 38000 48900 55 000 62 300 70000 44500 50000 NIL NIL 59600 67000 16000 18000 II 500 13000 9 750 II 000 35 600 40000 410 900 462000

DEPARTMENT OF OVERSEAS TRADE

CANBERRA , A.C.T.

The Chairman, Senate Estimates Committee D Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T.

29 October 1974

Senator Wriedt has asked me to reply to the questions raised by your Committee during its examination of this Department's estimates. The first of these questions was asked by Senator Cotton (Hansard, p. 170, col. 2, paras. I and 4.) who sought information relating to travel overseas. Attachment A provides the information sought by Senator Cotton.

The second question was asked by Senator Martin (Hansard, p. 173, col. 2, para 3.) and concerns 1973-74 expenditure on the Peking Trade Display. A break-up of that expenditure is provided on Attachment B. The third question was asked by Senator McLaren (Hansard p. 174, col. 2, para. I 0.) who sought a breakdown by marketing boards of the estimate of $1.203m for the Overseas Promotion of Rural Products. Attachment C refers.

Attached are sufficient copies for the members of the Committee but additional copies can be provided if necessary.

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ACTING ASSISTANT SECRETARY ,

Management Services.

ATIA CHMENT A

Question asked by ~nator Cotton (Hansard, p. 170, col. 2, paras. I & 4)

ITEM 390-2-01

DETAILS OF OVERSEAS TRAVEL

Qu estion-Can we have an estimate of ... the number of overseas visits , the assigned purpose of the visits and the cost.

Answer-Details of the estimated overseas travel are attached .

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A nnual Estim ates 1974-75

O verseas Travel

Trip D etail s

Total C ost f11volved D esignation Purpose of Trip

D ays From To

Fares T/A

T rade Prom otion Division $ $

C lass 9, Clerk Mi ssion Manager Canberra Jakarta Trade Mi ssion , , 21 750 500 Mi ssion Manager Canberra East Berlin Trade Mi ssion .. 21 I 700 500 Mi ssion Manager Ca nberra Nigeria Survey Mi ssion .. .. 28 I 300 700 Mi ssion Manager Ca nberra Jakarta Trade Mi ssion .. .. 21 750 500 Mi ssion Manager Canberra .Jakarta Trade Mi ssion .. 21 750 500 Mi ssion Manager Canberra Brazil Survey Mi ssion .. 21 2000 500 Mi ssion Manager Canberra South East Asia Survey Mi ssion .. 21 I 300 500 Mi ssion Manager Canberra Arabian Gulf Trade Mi ssion .. 21 I 500 500 0\ M ission Manager Canberra Japan Trade Mi ssion .. .. .. 21 I 200 500 N Mi ssion Manager Canberra Japan Trade Mi ssion 21 1200 500 .. .. .. Mi ssion Manager Canberra Europe Trade Mi ssion .. .. .. 21 2 100 500 Mi ssion Manager Canberra Europe Trade M ission .. 21 2 100 500 Mi ssion Manager Canberra South East Asia Survey Mi ssion .. .. .. 21 I 300 500 Level I: Official Member Canberra South East Asia Survey Mi ssion 21 I 300 500 C lass II (D of M) Canberra Suva Trade Discussions .. .. .. 21 380 500 C lass II (D of M) Canberra N airobi Trade Discussions .. .. 21 I 700 500 C lass II (D of M) Canberra Bangkok Trade Discussions .. 21 970 500 C lass II (D of M) Canberra Seoul Trade Discussions 21 I 100 500 C lass II (D of M) Canberra W ellingt on Trade Discussions .. . . .. 21 240 500 A sst Secretary Canberra Pacific Islands M arket Assistance 21 I 200 330 C lass II Canberra Iran M arket A ssistance .. .. 21 I 200 700 C lass II Canberra Iran M arket Assistance .. 21 I 200 700 C lass II Canberra Iran M arket Assistance .. 21 I 200 700 Class II Ca nberra Central South America M arket A ssistance .. .. 28 I 500 700 C lass II Canberra C entral South America M arket Assistance .. 28 I 500 700 C lass II Canberra Central South Am erica M arket Assistance .. .. 28 I 500 700 C lass 9 (D .D.M .) Canberra Suva Trade Discussions .. 28 380 700 C lass 9 (D.D.P.) Canberra Suva T rade Discussions 42

Trip D etails

Total

Cost Involved

D esignation Purpose of Trip

Da ys

From To Fares T/A

$ $

Class 9 (D .D.M .) Ca nberra Nairobi Trade Discussions 28 2000 700

Class 9 (D .D .P.) Ca nberra Nairobi Trade Discussions 42

Class 9 (D .D.M .) Canberra Bangkok Trade Discussions 28 970 700

Class 9 (D . D .P.) Ca nberra Bangkok Trade Discussions 42

Class 9 (D .D .M .) Canberra W ellingt on Trade Discussions 28 240 700

Class 9 (D . D .P.) Canberra Wellington Trade Discussions 42

Class 9 (D.O.M .) Canberra Auckland Auckland Easter Show 21 240 500

0\ Class 8 (D. D . E.) Canberra Suva Trade Display .. .. .. .. 28 \,;.) 2 x C lass 8 (S.S.) Canberra Suva Trade Display .. .. .. 14 I 140 I 000 Class 8 (D .D .E.) Ca nberra N airobi Trade Display 28 2 x C lass 8 (S.S.) Ca nberra Nairobi Trade Display 14 6000 I 000 Class 8 (D .D .E.) Canberra Bangkok Trade Display 28 2 x Class 8 (S.S.) Canberra Bangkok Trade Display 14 2 910 I 000 Class II (D of D) Ca nberra Leipzig Trade Display 21 2 300 650 Class 9 (D .D .M .) Canberra Leipzig Trade Display 28 2 300 850 Class 8 (D .D .E.) Canberra Wellington Trade Display 28 Class 8 (D.D.E.) Canberra Auckland Auckland Easter Show 28 31 Officers-Class 7 to F.A.S. Level Canberra Peking Trade Display .. 23 380 15 770 Total 75000 37 800

Trip D etail s

Total

Cost Involved

D esignati on Purpose of Trip

Days

From To Fares T fA

Trade Services Division $ $ $ Director Canberra M alaysia Individual visits to investi gate possible projects for Indonesia Co nsultancy Feasibilit y Fund 24 I 000 600

Philippine s Thailand

Director Canberra Ken ya Individual visits to investigate possible project s for

ambia Co nsultancy Feasibilit y Fund 35 I 100 900

Tanzania Ethiopia Bahrain

~

Oman

First Asst Sec. Canberra Indonesia Investment Survey Mi ssion to ASBAN 21 I 000 600

M alaysia Thailand Philippine s

Director Canberra lndonesia Investment Survey Mi ssion to ASBAN 21 I 000 500

M alaysia Thailand Philippines

Asst Secretar y Canberra Africa/Middle East Investment Survey Mi ssion .. 14 I 200 400

Clerk 9 or 8 Canberra Africa/Middle East Investment Survey Mi ssion .. 14 I 200 300

Director Canberra Washington Discussions on legal and administrative arrange-

Ottawa ments involved in establishm ent Export Banking

London facility .. 30 I 500 700

-8 000 4000

Trip D etail s Total

Cost Involved

D esignation

Purpose of" Trip Days

From To

Fares T/A

$ $

Trade Relations Division First Asst Sec. Canberra Prague Meeting of Mixed Commissions ..

10 1600 300

Budapest

Asst Secretary /Director Canberra Budapest Meeting of Mixed Commissions

10 1600 300

First Asst Sec. Canberra European Capitals Accompany Minister on Trade Discussions

30 2 500 900

First Asst Sec. Canberra Moscow Second Meeting Aust./USSR Mixed Commission 8

2000 340

Asst Secretary Canberra Moscow Second Meeting Aust./USSR Mixed Commission

8 2000 340

First A sst Sec. Canberra Wellington Ministerial Talks 8

400 240

Asst Secretary Canberra Wellington Ministerial Talks 8

400 240

Director Canberra Wellington Ministerial Talks 8

400 240

Assistant Sec. Canberra Wellington Discussions on Trade Agreement

8 400 240

Director Canberra Wellington Discussions on Trade Agreement 8

400 240

A sst Secretary Canberra Singapo/e Discussions on Trade Agreement 5 700

300

Director Canberra Singapore Discussions on Trade Agreement 5 700 300

0\ Director Canberra Wellington Panel Meetings 4 400 240 Vl Asst Director Canberra Wellington Panel Meetings 4 400 240

First Asst Sec. Canberra Tokyo Treaty of Commerce Agreement Discussions 6 I 300 275

First Asst Sec. Canberra Tokyo Treaty of Commerce Agreement Discussions 6 I 300 275

Director Canberra Tokyo Treaty of Commerce Agreement Discussions 6 I 300 275

Director Canberra Tokyo Treaty of Commerce Agreement Discussions 6 I 300 275

First Asst Sec. Canberra Bangkok Signing of Trade Agreement 4 700 180

Director Canberra Bangkok Signing of Trade Agreement 4 700 180

First Asst Sec. Canberra Tehran Signing of Trade Agreement 5 1200 200

Director Canberra Tehran Signing of Trade Agreement 5 1200 200

Asst Secretary Canberra Tokyo Negotiations on NARA Treaty, Trade Discussions 5 I 300 250

Director Canberra Tokyo Negotiations on NARA Treaty, Trade Discussions 5 I 300 250

Asst Sec. Canberra Romania Trade Discussions 6 1200 250

Bulgaria

Director Canberra Bulgaria Trade Discussions 6 1200 250

Asst Secretary Canberra Berlin Mixed Commission Meeting 6 1400 300

Director Canberra Berlin Mixed Commission Meeting 6 1400 300

--30 700 7920

0\

0\

D esignation

International Trade Organisations Division A sst Secretary

From

Canberra

Trip D etails

Purpose of Trip

To

G eneva Consultations on the Multilateral Trade Nego-

Brussels tiations

London W ashington O ttawa

Total

Cost Involved

Days

Fares T/A

$ $

21 2000 840

-2000 840

Trip D ew ils

D esignation

From To

Commodity Policy Division First A sst Sec. C anberra Jamaica

A sst Sec. or Director Canberra Jamaica

Asst Sec. or Director C anberra Jamaica

A sst Secretary Canberra W ashington

Asst Secretary Canberra T okyo

0\ A sst Secretary C anberra W ellington --.) Director Canberra W ellin gton A sst Secretary C anberra Ge rmany Director C anberra Wellington C lerk C l. 8 Canberra W ellington First Asst Sec./ Canberra European Capitals A sst Secretary Foreign Affairs to finance

Purpose oj" Trip

Attend m eetings associated w ith International Bauxite A ssociation Me etings- International Bauxite Association M eetings- International Bauxite A ssociation Discuss U .S. M arket for A ustralian Meat in 1975 Discuss import arrangem ent of A ustralian M eat in 1975 Attend me at discussions A ttend m eat discussions Tripartit e discussions on C anned Fruit

Discuss dairy trade m atters- Au st./N.Z. Joint Dairy Co mmittee Discuss dairy trade matters- Au st./N .Z. Joint Dairy Committee Co ntinuation of comm odity discussions on effects of EE C enlargement on Au stralian trade

{ Lead and Zinc Study G roup (E.A. only) International Tin Coun cil Session (E.A. only)

Tow/ D ays

7

7

7

7

7

3

3

7

3

3

14

Cost Involved

Fares TfA

$ $

I 400 280

1400 200

1400 200

I 300 200

I 040 200

240 80

240 80

I 800 200

240 80

240 80

2 200 400

--II 500 2000 - - ---

Trip D etail s

Total

Cost Involved

D esignation Purpose of Trip

Days

From To Fares T/A

$ $

Policy Development

Division

0\ Director (0 . R .E.) Ca nberra Europe D iscussion on Econom etric W ork .. 14 I 000 400 00 Director (O.R .E.) Ca nberra U .S.A. Discussion on Econom etric W ork 14 I 500 300 Director (A. D .P.) Canberra U.S.A. Examination of Co mputer Centres. 14 I 500 300 First Asst Sec. Canberra U .S./Europe/ A sia Special Projects 2 X 21 2000 I 000 -- --6000 2000

Trip D etail s

Total

Cost Involved

Designation Purpose of Trip Days From To Fares T/A

$ $

Overseas Ma rkets Division First Asst Sec. Canberra Europe T.C. Co nference, Trade talks 60 5 700 2000

Asia U .S.A. Africa

Director C l. II Canberra Mo scow Post Inspection .. 17 2000 540

Warsaw East Germany

0'1 Belgrade

\0 Vienna

Stockholm

Director C l. II Canberra Athens Post Inspection 16 2000 540

Berne Brussels Geneva Milan

R ome Tel Aviv M alta

Director C l. II Ca nberra Bahrain Post Inspectio n .. .. .. 17 2000 540

Jeddah Cairo Beirut Tehran N airobi Lagos

Trip D etail s

Total

Cost Involved

D esignation Purpose of Trip

Da ys

From To Fares T/A

$ $

Director Cl. ll Canberra Bangkok Post Inspection 16 1500 ∑ 400

Dacca Rangoon Saigon Jakarta

Hanoi Peking

Director Cl. l 0 Canberra Karachi Post Inspection .. .. .. . . 16 l 300 400

-....) Ceylon

0 New Delhi

Calcutta Bombay Kuala Lumpur Singapore

Director Cl. ll Canberra Fiji Post Inspection .. .. .. 12 500 300

Noumea New Zealand - Christchurch - Auckland --Wellington

--15000 4 720

Trip D etails

Total Co st Involved

Designation Purpose of Trip

Days

From To Fares T/A

$ $

Executive

-...J Secretary Canberra World Trip 4 X 28 10000 2240

Deputy Secretary Canberra Asia/Japan 21 1500 840

Deputy Secretary Canberra North America/Europe 28 2250 1200

Deputy Secretary Canberra World Trip 14 2250 560

- -

16000 4840

Trip D etails

Tow/ Cost Involved D esignation Pu rpose of Trip

Da ys From To

Fares T/A

Trade Publicity Branch $ $

A sst Dir. (Ex.) Melbourne London London Trade Display 49 3000 A sst Dir. (Pub.) M elbourne London London Trade Display 28 3000 A sst Dir. (Ex .) M elbourne Hamilton, N .Z . H am ilt on National Field Days 21 336 Asst Dir. (Ex.) M elbourne Wellington W ellington Trade Display 49 336 I 070 Asst Dir. (Pub.) M elbourne Wellington Wellington Trade Display 21 336 460 Asst Dir. (Ex.) M elbourne Peking Peking Australian Ex hibiti on 76 I 345 740 Asst Dir. (Ex.) M elbourne Peking Peking Australian Ex hibiti on 74 I 345 735 Dir. Tech. Serv. Melbourne Peking Peking Australian Ex hibiti on 43 I 345 420 Admin. & Fin. Off. M elbourne Peking Peking Au strali an Ex hibition 42 I 345 420 Asst Dir. (Pub.) M elbourne Peking Peking Au strali an Ex hibiti on 29 I 345 310 Director (Films) M elbourne Peking Peking A ustrali an Ex hibiti on 20 I 345 210 -.J Asst Dir. (Ex.) M elbourne Bangkok Bangkok Trade Display 49 I 050 840 N Asst Dir. (Pub.) M elbourne Bangkok Bangkok Trade Display 28 I 050 420 A sst Dir. (Ex.) Melbourne Auckland Auckland Easter Show 49 336 I 100 Asst Dir. (Pub.) M elbourne Auckland Auckland Easter Show 29 336 560 Asst Dir. (Ex.) Melbourne Nairobi Na irobi Trade Display 49 I 650 I 100 A sst Dir. (Pub.) M elbourne Nairobi Nairobi Trade Display 28 I 650 560 Asst Dir. (Ex.) M elbourne Seoul Seoul Trade Display .. .. 49 1400 I 000 A sst Dir. (Pub.) M elbourne Seoul Seoul Trade Display 28 1400 625 Asst Dir. (Ex.) M elbourne Suva Suva Trade Display 49 525 950 A sst Dir. (Pub.) M elbourne Suva Suva Trade Display .. 21 525 480 ---- 25 000 12000 -- -- Total Cost- Air Fares .. .. $189 200 - Travelling Allowance . .. 76 120 ---$265 320 No. of M an Trips- 167 -- -

Question by Senator Martin

(Han sard, p. 173, col. 2, para. 3.)

Qu estion-

ITEM 390-3-02 PEKING TRADE DISPLAY

Do you have any details of the $300 000.

Answer-

ATTACHMENT B

Expenditure of$299 553 was incurred on the Peking Trade Display in the 1973-74 financial year, and expected expenditure in 1974-75 is $780 000. Details are:

Rent Construction and Design Printing , publication and advertising Films and seminars Staffing and transport

Reception and marketing Facilities and services Freight Incidentals including wharfage, charges,

stationery, insurance, communications, furniture hire and provision for con " tingencies

173

1973--74

$

21 205 143 248 58 492 22 909

13 307

3 917 36 475

299 553

1974-75

$

30 000 235 000 105 000 36 000

60 000 25 000 22 000 206 000

61 000

780 000

Question by Senator McLaren (Hansard, p. 174, col. 2, para. 10.)

Qu estion-

ITEM 390-3-03

OVERSEAS PROMOTION OF RURAL

PRODU CTS CONTRIBUTION

AlTA C HM ENT C

... could we be provided at a later date with a breakdown of the amo unts provided for those marketing boards which are listed here.

Answer-The amounts expected to be provided Boards during 1974-75 are as follows: by the Government to the Co mm odity

Matched Grants Wine Board Dairy Bo ard Honey Board Apple and Pear Board Egg Board Canned Fruits Board Meat Board Dried Fruits Bo ard Unmatched Grants

$

107 100 351 000 14 200 71 200

7 500 369 000 166 100 35 000

81 700

1 203 000

The unmatched portion of $81 700 relate s to the administrative cost. to the Go vernment. in handling the promotion of these products. ∑

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AUSTRALIAN MINISTER FOR AGRICULTURE

Dear Senator Primmer,

CANBE RRA , A .C.T. 2600

30 October 1974

During the Committee's consideration of the estimates of the Department of Overseas Trade, Senator Greenwood raised matters relating to the establishment of an Australian Overseas Trading Corporation. The situation is that on 7 August 1974, Dr Cairns made a press statement about

the creation of an Australian Overseas Trading Corporation. Copies of this statement are enclosed. An interdepartmental committee has almost finalised a detailed outline of legis " lation for the establishment of the Corporation . As stated by Dr Cairns, in response to a query in Singapore, no definite decision has been made to depart from the

proposed introduction of legislation . However , given the attitude of the Opposition parties to many important Govern " ment legislative initiatives it is only natural that Dr Cairns and the Attorney-General, Senator Murphy , would study alternatives to the passage of legislation through Parliament should this contingency be required.

Senator C. G. Primmer Chairman Senate Estimates Committee D Parliament H ouse Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely ,

K. S. WRI EDT

175

MINISTER FOR OVERSEAS TRADE

Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 7 August 1974

AUSTRALIAN OVERSEAS TRADING ORGANISATION

(STATEMENT BY THE HON. J. F. CAIRNS , M.P .,

DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER FOR OVERSEAS TRADE )

Dr J. F. Cairns announced today that Cabinet has approved the est ablishment of an Australian Overseas Trading Organisation. It is intended that it will be operating before the end of the year. It will use the communications facilities of the Export Payments Insurance Corporation (EPIC).

In making the announcement today, Dr Cairns said that Australian s were unfamiliar with the customs and languages of many other countries , and trade links were often immature and ineffective. 'Until now , Australia's overseas trade has flowed along the traditional lines of the United Kingdom , North-Western Europe, and other English-speaking countries ', he said. 'We must now take advantage of the changing nature and structure of world trade.'

The Corporation will be expected to assist in developing trade with centrall y planned economies and with developing countries in Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Dr Cairns stressed that these countrie s contained more than half the world's popu " lation . He said trade in the countries with centrally planned economies alone amount " ed to well over $100000 million. Our trade with them in 1972-73 was less than $400

million. This was less than 4 per cent of Australia 's trade compared with 0∑4 per cent of theirs. 'The intention of the Corporation is not in any way to subtract from or harm businesses being conducted by private firms,' Dr Cairns said, 'but rather to generate substantial and additional trade to the benefit of Australian exporters.'

Dr Cairns said that another important function of the Corporation will be to assist the many small Australian manufacturers and processors into intern ational trade. Because of the various factors such as lack of finance, export skills , and an insufficient volume of production , these small establishments are unable to export as a single unit or to engage in import transactions for raw materials or machinery. The new Corporation - at the request of small manufacturers - would be able to aggre " gate small lots into viable export orders, and bulk purchase import requirements on their behalf. Dr Cairns said that no machinery existed to fill this particular gap.

A third aspect of the Corporation would be its role as a prime contractor for comprehensive trade arrangements on 'turn-key' projects which are beyond the abilities of individual Australian tizms. Dr Cairns emphasised that the Corporation would not have any exclusive or preferred position in trading . It would not enter into overseas trading transaction s where commercial trading houses are equipped and prepared to conduct the same business. It will not undertake any transactions relating to goods subject to control of a statutory body unless the statutory body requests its help. The Corporation will have to pay its own way and be a commercially viable unit.

In conclusion, Dr Cairns said that his Department had been consulting State Government authorities and representative trade and industry groups in relation to the proposal. This would be continued.

176

MINISTER FOR MINERALS AND ENERGY

My dear Senator,

Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

During the examination of the estimates of expenditure for 1974-75 of the Depart " ment of Minerals and Energy and the Australian Atomic Energy Commission before Estimates Committee Don 17 and 22 October 1974 a number of questions were taken on notice.

There were four such questions. Answers to those relating to coal research and devaluation assistance (Hansard, p. 182) are provided on the attached sheets. The other two relate to the Australian Atomic Energy Commission (Hansard, P. 313). In the context of the underwriting by the Australian Atomic Energy Commission of a share issue by Mary Kathleen Uranium Ltd, Senator Durack inquired 'is it intended that that should continue to be the form of the Australian Government's participation through the Commission or is this only a temporary standing arrange " ment?' The answer to this inquiry is to be found in my statement entitled 'Northern Territory Uranium', tabled in the Senate on 31 October 1974, in which I referred inter alia to the role to be discharged by the Commission as agent of the Australian Government in the development of the Territory's uranium resources. Studies that

have been made by the Commission on the reopening of the Mary Kathleen mine are not public documents. Senator Young made enquiries about Port Pirie as a possible site for a uranium enrichment plant. I have indicated publicly that prima facie the area around the head of Spencers Gulf has attractions as a possible site for an enrichment plant, and that remains my view. As announced in the press statement issued after the recent talks between the Australian and Japanese Prime Ministers, joint studies of various matters relating to uranium enrichment in Australia will be initiated as early as practicable. Further consideration of the question of an appropriate site will be related

to those studies.

Senator C. G. Primmer Chairman Senate Estimates Committee D Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely ,

R. F. X. CONNOR

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Question Division 350-3-01 Coal Research

Senator Cotton- There is a )0'tal sum of $360 000, $260 000 of which is provided to the National Coal Research Advisory Committee and approximately $100 000 of which is provided to the ACIRL. I do not know what the break-up is between Ne w South Wales, Western Australia , Victoria or Queensland.

Answer The recommended allocations of the National Coal Research Advisory Com " mittee represent assistance to the applicant research organisations as follows:

Australian Coal Industry Research Laboratories University of Melbourne Department of Metallurgy

Department of Chemical Engineering University of New South Wales School of Chemical Engineering Wollongong University College

Department of Geology University of Newcastle Department of Chemical Engineering University of Queensland

Department of Mining and Metallurgical Engineering

Question Division 350-3-01 Revaluation

$

310 000

10 000 7 000

14 000

8 000

9 000

2 000

$360000

Adjustment Assistance to Chrysotile Corporation of Australia Ltd ($150 000 in 1973-74 Appropriation). Senator Scott- Were there no other companies that requested devaluation assistance?

Answer All applications received from commercial interests are treated as confidential between the Government and the parties concerned, except where payments are approved and thus must be appropriated by Parliament.

178

THE TREASURY

Dear Sir,

CANBERRA, A.C.T. 2600

29 October 1974

I refer to the examination of the Department of the Treasury's 1974-75 Estimates in the Senate on 22 October 197 4. The full import of the question in Division 580, Sub-Division 2- Administrative Expenses, by Senator Webster was unfortunately not appreciated. I refer to pages 329 and 330 of the Senate Hansard of Tuesday, 22 October 1974. The answer to the question regarding the National Savings Campaign and whether it was a Campaign for private industry or for Public Servants was imprecise.

For the benefit of the Committee the National Savings Plan is directed at all sectors of the community and provides a means of regular saving through pay-roll deductions. The deductions are then transferred to the savings bank accounts of the individual employees. There are approximately 6000 groups throughout Australia through which 250 000 employees save $80 million annually. The main promotional

work consists of personal representation by the Organisation's outdoor staff. A functional statement on the Australian Government Loans and National Savings Organisation is attached for the benefit of the Committee.

The Chairman Senate Estimates Committee D Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

179

Yours faithfully,

D. P. REYNOLDS

Acting Assistant Secretary Management Services

AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT LOANS

AND NATIONAL SAVINGS ORGANISATION

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

The Australian Government Loans and National Savings Organisation is the local name given to the State offices of the Loans and N ational Savings Branch of the Revenue, Loans and Investment Division, Department of the Treasury.

Background The Commonwealth Loans Organisation was originally formed in 1940 to en " courage investment in War Loans. In 1949 the National Savings Plan was added to the duties of the Organisation which then became the Commonwealth Loans and National Savings Organisation. In 1950 the Organisation became involved in

recruiting for the Defence Force. In 1974 the name of the Organisation was changed to 'Australian Government Loans and National Savings Organisation'.

Organisation There is a central office in the Treasury, Canberra staffed by a Director and a Clerk Class 5 and an office in each State capital - Hobart office is a branch of the Melbourne office. Each of the five State offices has a Deputy Director , a small office staff and a team of representatives .

The staff is as follows: Second Division: Director (Level 1) Third Division:

Deputy Directors (Classes 7 to 9) 5 Assistant Deputy Directors (Class 6) Sydney and Melbourne 2

Other Third Division Officers 6

Fourth Division: Representatives : Country (Clerical Assistant Grade 7) 18

Metropolitan (Clerical Assistant Grades 5 to 7) 24

Other Fourth Division: 13

Total 69

In addition there are officers of the Department of Defence attached to the Defence Force Recruiting Centres in each State.

Functions The four main functions of the Organisation are: " Promotion of Treasury Bonds and Special Bonds " Promotion of Drought Bonds

" Promotion of the National Savings Plan " Administration of Defence Force Recruiting Centres. In promoting the various Australian Government securities , the Organisation attends to all advertising, maintains liaison with banks and the media, and solicits subscriptions through personal representation to prospective investors.

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The National Savings Plan provides a means of regular saving through pay-roll deductions. The deductions are then transferred to the savings bank accounts of the individual employees. There are approximately 6000 groups throughout Australia through which 250 000 employees save $80 million annually. The main promotional work consists of personal representation by the Organisation's outdoor staff.

The Deputy Directors of Loans and National Savings are also Deputy Directors of Recruiting in the States and administer the Defence Force Recruiting Centres. They are directly responsible to the Director-General of Recruiting, Department of Defence, Canberra, on recruiting matters. Deputy Directors and office staff are fairly heavily committed to recruiting work. Country outdoor staff are regularly committed and metropolitan outdoor staff relatively lightly committed.

The Organisation, because of its widely spread representation, was able to assist the Decimal Currency Board on an ad hoc basis during the currency change.

Cost In terms of the Financial Agreement the cost of promoting securities (except Drought Bonds) is shared by the Australian Government and the States, in the same proportion as the allocation of the proceeds of the borrowings. The Australian Gov " ernment's share is a charge against the Loan Fund.

The cost of promoting Drought Bonds is a charge against the Consolidated Revenue Fund- a special appropriation under the Loan (Drought Bonds) Act 1969. The cost of promoting the National Savings Plan is charged, as an annual appro " priation , against the Consolidated Revenue Fund.

All costs associated with the recruiting functions are charged, as an annual appropriation, through the Department of Defence against the Consolidated Revenue Fund.

The Treasury Canberra

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July 1974

DEPARTMENT OF THE NORTHERN TERRITORY

The Secretary Estimates Committee D Parliament Hou se Can berra, A. C. T. 2600

D A RWI N, .T. 5794

21 October 1974

DIVISION 380-3-35- CONSULTANTS FEES

At the hearing into the estimates of the Department of the Northern Territor y, completed 17 October, Senator K. J. Martin requested advice on expenditure in 1973-74 against items newly included in the above Division. The information is: Allocation Expenditure Allocation

Item 1973-74 1973-74 1974-75

$ $ $

Investigation N.T. Fishing Industry Electricit y Tariff Review Marrakai Pilot Farm Population Count Alice Springs *Transport Surveys *Crocodile Research *Land Use Studies

Disposal of tailings and effluent from uranium " Treatment Investigation into N.T. Penal System Others

40 000

5 000

150 000 10 000 32 000

12 000

249 000

34 478 10 000 26 934

11 850

83 262

" Provided in 1973-74 under Division 380-3-07. 380-3- 11 and 380-3-06 respectively.

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20 000

4 560 5 000

3 000 240 000 10 000 25 600

12 500

8 440

329 100

W . H ULL

for Secretary

DEPARTMENT OF MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY

Secretar y Senate Estimates Committee D The Senate Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

CANBERRA , A.C.T. 2600

30 October 1974

SENATE COMMITTEE D

DEPARTMENT OF MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY

During the examination of this Department's estimates on Tuesday, 22 October 1974, Mr Ryan undertook to provide an answer to a question by Senator McLaren relating to a provision of $9000 in Division 315-2-14 for films (refer Hansard, page 341).

Would you please advise the Chairman, members of the Committee and Senator McLaren in particular , that the $9000 included in the 1974-75 estimates related to residual expenditure for sales promotion films, and films of general departmental activities. These particular films are not considered to be of great benefit in the tertiary education area; however should the Department produce films which could have a

wider educational application there would be no objection to their being available to 'further education centres .'

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H. J. RYAN

First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Management Services)

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO THE SENATE

I. Estimates Committee E has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

2. On 3 October 1974 the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending on 30 June 1975, and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1975, relatin g to the following Departments:

Department of Repatriation and Compensation Department of Social Security Department of Health Department of the Environment and Conservation.

3. The Committee has considered these estimates ofexpenditure and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Repatriation and Compensation and officers of the Departments concerned. The Committee records its appreciation of the explanations of the estimates contained in the answers given before the Committee and in the explanatory memoranda prepared by the Departments, and circulated to Senators prior to the sitting of the Committee.

4. The Minutes of proceedings of the Committee are included in this Report and the Hansard report of the evidence given before the Committee is presented herewith for the information of the Senate.

5. After the meeting of the Committee written answers to certain questions were supplied by Departments, and these answers are appended to this Report.

6. The Committee wishes to darw the attention of the Senate to sub-division 4 of division 530 in the estimates of expenditure of the Department of Social Security. This sub-division proposes a sum of$5 970 000 to be spent under the Australian Assistance Plan for the development of regional welfare services. Most of this money is to be spent through bodies known as Regional Councils for Social Development, which are

intended to include representatives of governments and private organisations. The Committee considers thatthere is a need for adequate procedures to be laid down to ensure that the Regional Councils are genuinely representative and that the fullest opportunity is provided for public participation in them.

17 October 1974

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D. M. DEVITT

Chairman

Estimates Committee E

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO . 1

THURSDAY, 17 OCTOBER 1974

I. MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE

The Committee met at 12.15 p.m . in the Senate Committee R oom No . I. The Secretary drew attention to the record, in the Journals of the Senate of I and 3 October 1974, of the constitution of the Committee, the reference of certain estimates of expenditure to the Committee, and the appointment of members .

2. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN On the motion of Senator Baume, Senator Devitt was elected Chairman of the Committee, and took the C hair.

3. CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT The Chairman made a statement relating to the particulars of proposed expen " diture to be considered pursuant to the order of the Senate, viz. :

Document* Page

Division

D epartme/11 Amount

No.

$

A 95-97 460-466 Repatriation and Compensation .. 650953000

B 21 925 Repatriation and Compensation 2187000

A 109-111 530-533 Social Security 141 637 000

B 23-24 945-948 Social Security 17 085 000

A 51-55 270-279 H ealth. 99872000

B 12-13 865-868 H ealth .. 98 108 000

A 41-42 230 Environment and Conservation 3 653 000

B 10 850-852 Environment and Conservation 13 750000

" Document A-' Particular s of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending on 30 June 1975'. " Docum ent B- 'Particular s of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1975'.

4. D epartment of Repatriation and C omp ensation Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. M . Wheeldon, Minister for Repatriation and Com " pensation, accompanied by the following departmental officers:

Department of Repatriation and Compensation Mr R. Kelly First Assistant Commissioner (Managem ent Services) and Secretary to the Comm ission Dr J. H. Hurt Chief Director (Medical Services) Mr J. F. Donovan First Assistant Commissioner, Treatment Services

Division

Mr G. R . Cadd First Assistant Commissioner, Benefits and Legis " lation Division Mr G. T. Miller Assistant Commissioner (Methods and Services) Department of the Treasury

Mr F. V. Colvin Chief Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division

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Mr C. 1. Dolman Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were called upon by the Chairman and considered: Do cum ent A

Division 460 Division 462

Division 464

Division 466 Docum ent B Division 925

Consideration concluded.

Administrative Repatriation Hospitals and other Institution s W ar and Service Pensions and Allowances Other Repatriation Benefits

Capital Works and Services

$

30161 000

66916000

470778000 83 098000

2187000

5. Department of Social Security Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. M. Wheeldon, Minister for Repatriation and Com " pensation, accompanied by the following departmental officers :

Department of Social Securit y Mr K. T . Kimball Acting First Assistant Director-General (Management) Mr D . R . Scott

Mr L. H . Ryan Mr J. V . Crocker Mr K. Mead Mr K. W. Kelly

Mr J. M . Mahone y

Mr A. S. Colliver Mr J. de B . Wall

Mr M. M. Gartland Mr G. Newbown Mr J. A. Lucas Mr L. B. Holgate

Mr V . E. Pickering Mr B . J. Lewis

Social W elfare Commission Mr B. F. Luby

Ms M. J. Scott lfealth Insurance Commission Mr R . G . Williams

Assistant Director -General (Establishments and Finance) Acting A ssistant Director-General (ADP) Director (ADP Planning and Services) Acting Director (Finance) First Assistant Director-General (Benefits Policy and Review) Acting Assistant Director-General (Planning and Research) First Assistant Director-General (Social Welfare) Acting Assistant Director-General (Community and Professional Services) Director (Rehabilitation) Assistant Director (Handicapped Persons) Director (Aged Persons Welfare) First Assistant Director-General (Medical Services Division) Assistant Director-General (Practitioner Services) Director (Policy and Legislation ) Hospital Insurance Development and Review

Acting Deputy Chairman, Social Welfare Commission Director (Policy), Social Welfare Commission

General Manager, Health Insurance Commission

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Mr R . W . Taylor Assistant General Manager, Health Insurance Commi ssion Mr M. J. N icholson Chief Finance Officer, Health Insurance Commission Department of Labor and Immigration

Mr W . G . Kiddie A ssistant Director-General (Settlement Services Branch) Mr L. H. Mead Director (Communit y Services) Department of the Treasury

Mr F. V . Colvin

Mr C. J. Dolman

Chief Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were called upon by the Chairman and considered: Docum ent A Division 530

Division 532 Division 533 D ocum ent B Division 945

Division 947 Division 948 Consideration concluded.

6. Department of Health Appearing:

Administrative Social Welfare Commission Health Insurance Commission

Capital Works and Services Payments to or for the States Other Services

$

133 310 000 639 000 7 688 000

12015000 3270000 1800000

Senator the Honourable J. M. Wheeldon, Minister for Repatriation and Com " pensation , accompanied by the following departmental officers: D epartment of H ealth Dr C. P. Evans

Mr M. Carroll

Dr W. A. Langsford

MrR. W. Gee

Mr R. E. Wilson

Dr B. L. Hennessy

Mr P.R . Griffin Mr B. D. Pentony Mr R. Gordon

Mr H. Harrison

D epartment of the Treasury Mr F. V. Colvin

Deputy Director-General First Assistant Director-General , Policy and Planning Division First Assistant Director-General, Public Health Division First Assistant Director-General , Quarantine

Division Assistant Director-General , Pharmaceutical Benefits Branch First Assistant Director-General , Health Services Division

Director, Finance Assistant Director, Finance Assistant Commissioner (Services), Australian Capital Territory Health Services Assistant Director, Management Services, Northern Territory Health Services

Chief Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division

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Mr C. J. D olman Senior Finance Officer , Accounting and Supply Division.

The following particulars of proposed expenditur e were called upon by the Chairman and considered: Document A Division 270

Division 271 Division 272 Division 276

Division 278 Division 279 Document B Division 865

Division 868 Co nsideratio n concluded.

$

Administrative 45010400

H ospitals and H ealth Services Commission I 353 000 Australian Capital Territory H ospitals 16641 500 Australian Capital Territory Health Services Northern Territory H ospitals Northern Territory H ealth Services

Capital W orks and Services Payme nts to or for the States

10058 100 16696000 10 11 3000

10533000 87 575 000

7. Department of the Environment and Conservation Appearing: Senator the H onourable J. M. Wheeldon, Minister for R epatriat ion and Com " pensation , accompanied by the following departmental officers:

Department of the Environment and Consen " ation Mr A. J. Ayers First Assistant Secretary , Policy Co-ordination Mr G. G. Kelleher Acting First Assistant Secretary , Water and Soil

Mr J. C. Starkey Mr L. W. Wal sh Mr s E. A. Gladwin Department of the Treasury

Mr F. V. Colvin

Mr C. J. Dolm an

R esources Assistant Secretary, Policy Branch Finance Officer Estimates Officer

C hief Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division

The following particulars of proposed expenditur e were called upon by the C hairman and considered: Document A Division 230 Document B

Division 850 Division 851 Division 852

Consideration concluded.

Administrative

Capital Works and Services Payments to or for the States Other Services

$

3 653 000

4019000 9 000000 731 000

The Minister and Departmental Officers and members of the press and public withdrew.

8. REPORT OF TH E COMMITTEE The Committee deliberated upon its Report to the Senate. The Chairman stated that a draft Report as agreed upon would be circulated to Senators before presenta " tion.

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9. ADJOURNMENT The Committee adjourned at 9.30 p.m.

10. ATTENDANCE The following members of the Committee attended the meeting: Senators Devitt (in the Chair), Baume , Brown , Drake-Brockman and Townley. Senators Milliner and Sheil also attended.

195

D . M . DEVITT Chairman

Estimates Committee E

Appendix

MINISTER FOR REPATRIATION AND COMPENSATION

Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

9 October 1974

Dear' Don , You will recall that during the examination of Repatriation and Compensation estimates by Senate Estimates Committee E, certain additional information was required. This information has now been compiled in the form of Attachments A to G .

An appropriate number of copies will be forwarded to the Clerk of Committees, Mr H . Evans, for distribution to Committee Members .

Senator D . M . Devitt Chairman Senate Estimates Committee E Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely

JOHN WHEELDON

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

Hansard, 17 October 1974- page 187 DEPARTMENT OF

ATIACHMENT A

REPATRIATION AND COMPENSATION DIVISION 460/2 ITEM 02-0FFICE REQUISITES, ETC.

List of office machines to be purchased.

The dissection of the sub-item- 'Purchase of Office Machines'- under division 460/2 item 02 Office requisites and equipment etc.- is as follows: Typewriters Calcdators

Accounting Machines .. Envelope Sealer/Franker Guillotine Filing System Equipment Kardveyors Letter Folding/Inserting Machine .. Printing Equipment .. Duplicating Machine .. Photocopiers .. Addressing Machine .. Other Items (including Add Lister, Overhead Projector, Tape

Recorders, Dictating Machines, Transparency Maker etc.)

$25000 $ 7000

$ 6500

$ 2000

$ 1200

$ 8000

$ 6000

$12000 $ 4000

$ 4000

$ 3000

$ 1200

$17100

$97000

Included in the above total are the following items which are additional to the normal yearly replacement requirements: Letter folding/inserting machines Typewriters

Kardveyor Printing equipment Duplicating equipment Envelope Sealer Franker

Filing System equipment Photocopy

$12 000 $13 000 $ 6000

$ 4000

$ 4000

$ 2000

$ 2000

$ 3000

$46000

Over the last three years average yearly expenditure on this sub-item has been $41 000.

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ATTACHMENT B

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMmEE E

Hansard, 17 October 1974- page 189 DEPARTMENT OF

REPATRIATION AND COMPENSATION DIVISION 462/1 ITEM 01- SALARIES " REPATRIATION HOSPITALS AND INSTITUTIONS

Increased number of staff

Provision has been made in the estimates for an average employment of 7449 which is an increase of 126 (I. 7%) over the average for 1973-74 (7353).

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A IT A C HMENT C

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

Han sard, 17 O ctober 1974- page 190 DEPARTMENT OF

REPATRIATION AND COMPENSATION DIVISION 462/2 ITEM 02- MEDICAL SUPPLIES

Dissection of drug increase

The increase of $164 920 is due to an increase in average costs of drugs (approx. $89 000) and increased usage approx. 3.9%-($76 000).

202

ATTA C HMENT D

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

Han sard, 17 O ctober 1974- page 190 DEPARTMENT OF

R EPAT RIATION AND COMPENSATION DIVISION 462/2 ITEM 04-FEES FOR VISITING MEDICAL /PARA-MEDICAL SERVICES

Estimate 1974-75: Medical Para-medical

Increase for 1974-75

Medical Para-m edical

Dissection of item

203

. . $3 530000 .. $ 110000

$3 640000

.. $1 002 781

. . $ 972477

. . $ 30304

$1 002 781

ATIACHMENT E

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

Hansard, 17 October 1974- page 191 DEPARTMENT OF

REPATRIATION AND COMPENSATION DIVISION 462/2 ITEM 10- INCIDENTAL & OTHER EXPENDITURE

Dissection of items under the heading 'Other'

A dissection of the sub-item 'Other' under division 462/2/1 0-Incidental and Other Expenditure - is as follows: Advertising .. Freight and cartage - mainly dispatch of artificial limbs

Contract cleaning services in some small Institutions , e.g. R.A.L.A.C. .. Payroll delivery services Film Hire Film Production Hire of temporary kitchen- during remodelling of an existing

kitchen Reimbursement to Red Cross for part-time services, e.g. librarian s Other-which includes waste disposal , night security patrol, indoor plant maintenance, piped music

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$153 000 $ 31 000

$ 40000 $ 25000 $ 19 000 $ 39000

$ 21 000

$ 44000

$ 33000

$405000

ATTACHMENT F

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

Hansard, 17 October 1974- page 193 DEPARTMENT OF

REPATRIATION AND COMPENSATION DIVISION 466 ITEM 01- SPECIALISTS LOCAL MEDICAL OFFICERS AND ANCILLARY SERVICES

Checking for over-use

Claims received for medical treatment are investigated for over-use on a test check basis. If this check indicates a possibility of over-use, the claimant (e.g. local medical officer) is contacted personally by a Departmental Medical Officer and the m atter discussed with him. If irregularities are shown to exist (this is usually due to

misunderstandings) , and they persist after counselling, consideration is given to termination of appointment. Termination is rare, as counselling has proved a success " ful method of control. Since January 1972, there have been four terminations.

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ATTA C HM EN T G

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

Hansard, 17 O ctober 1974-page 191 DEPARTMENT OF

REPATRIATION AND COMPENSATION DIVISION 464----WAR PENSIONS

Additional information relating to the review of war pension entitlements

Mention was made of the fact that relevant information appeared at pages 73-6 of the Annual R eport of the Repatriation Commission. It is now thought desirable to add that further statistics appear at page 69 of the Report. The Committee may also be interested in the following information which is not included in tbe 'Report.

During 1973-74 the Department reviewed, on a programmed basis, 19200 war pensions and this resulted in the reduction of 1500 pensions and the cancel!ation of another 207.

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AUSTRALIAN DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SECURITY

The Chairman Sellat e Estimates Committee E Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Juliana House Bowes Street Phillip, A.C.T. 2606

4 November 1974

EXAMINATION OF DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SECURITY ESTIMATES OF EXPENDITURE 1974--75

The Senate Estimates Committee E at its meeting on 17 October 1974 requested further information appertaining to this Department's 1974--75 estimates of expenditure . ∑

The following statements are submitted as replies to the questions raised: Statement A Information concerning the cost of new positions , reclassifications, etc. in the estimate for Salaries and Allowances in nature of salary - Division 530/1/01 Statement B

Information concerning the Department's travel and subsistence expenditure " Division 530/2/01 Statement C Information concerning increased expenditure for office requisites, etc. due to

the increase in number of pensioners - Division 530/2/02 Statement D Information concerning postal expenditure incurred in the issue of group certificates and statements of pension subject to tax- Division 530/2/03 Statement E

Information concerning the cost of computer services since the introduction of computers into the Department in 1967- Division 530/2/08 Statement F Explanation of publicity procedures to advertise Regional Councils of Social

Development, Australian Assistance Plan- Division 530/2/09 Statement G Information concerning travel and subsistence expenditure of the Social Welfare Commission- Division 532/2/01 Statement H

Information regarding the use of consultants by Social Welfare Commission " Division 532/3/01 Ten copies of each Statement are attached.

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L. J. DANIELS

Director-General

STATEME N T A

(530/l/01)

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

INFORMATION SOUGHT BY SENATORS BAUME AND

TOWNLEY

Details of the basis of the estimates of$2 390 000 for the increased costs in 1974-75 of filling positions newly created, reclassified or vacant in 1973-74.

Response The estimate for item 530/l/01 was calculated on the following basis: l. (a) the estimate was originally prepared in April 1974 and was based on the total salary for the number of positions actually staffed at that time, i.e. 6473

employees. At an annual average salary of approximately $7306 per person, this accounted for $47 290 000 of the estimate; (b) at 30 June 1973 approximately 600 positions were not occupied and during 1973-74 a further 926 positions were newly created. During 1973-74 the

number of staff actually employed increased by 812 officers , some of whom occupied positions previously vacant and others occupied some of the newly created positions. These additional staff were employed for only part of 1973-74. Accordingly, allowances had to be made in the 1974-75 estimate for the cost of their salaries for a full year. The additional amount required was estimated at $1115 000 ; (c) at April 1974 it was estimated that a further 239 positions would be staffed

during 1974-75. These positions were vacant during the whole or part of 1973-74. The increased cost in 1974-75 was expected to be $117 7000 ; (d) in addition , !50 positions were reclassified to higher levels at various times during 1973-74, and the cost of staffing these positions for a full year, i.e.

1974-75, was estimated at $98000; (e) the increased cost of salary increments, higher duties allowances etc. during 1974-75 was estimated at $290000; (f) an amount of $1 330 000 was included in the estimate to cover the cost of

salaries of 164 officers associated with the provision of migrant welfare services and who will be transferred from the Department of Labor and Immigration during the year.

2. The above amounts total $51 300000 which is the full estimate for the item.

3. As shown on page I of the Departmental Explanatory Notes, an increase of $11 880 000 is estimated for in 1974-75 because of the following factors:

(i) The cost in 1974-75 of arbitration determinations and awards issued during 1973-74 (ii) The cost in 1974-75 of filling positions newly created, reclassi " fied or vacant in 1973-74 (iii) The full year's cost of the increases payable in consequence of

the National Wage Case in 1974 (iv) The additional cost of salary increments (para. !(e) above) .. (v) The additional cost of higher duties and other allowances (para. 1 (e) above)

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$

7310000

2390000

1 890000 230000

60000

11880000

4. In relation to the specific question asked regarding item (ii), the amount of $2 390 000 is accounted for as follows:

The cost in 1974-75 of filling positions that were vacant during the whole or part of 1973-74 (para. 1(c) above) ..

The increased cost in 1974-75 of salaries for positions that were created in 1973-74 but not staffed for the whole of that year (para. l(b) above) The increased~ost in 1974-75 of positions reclassified

to higher salary ranges during 1973-74. The amount is the difference between the full year and part year costs (para. 1(d) above)

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No . of Estimated

Positions Cost

$

239 1177000

812 1115000

150 98000

1201 $2390000

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

STATEME N T B

(530/2/01)

INFORMATION SOUGHT BY SENATOR TOWNLEY

Detailed reasons for expenditure of $1 750 000 and reasons for increases over last year's expenditure under Division 530/2/01- Travel and Subsistence.

Response The Department's estimated expenditure on travel and subsistence in 1974-75 is approximately $159 000 higher than expenditure in 1973-74 representing an increase of 10% compared with an overall increase of 43.5% in total expenditure for the whole Sub-Division 530/2/, Administrative Expenses.

The break-up of actual expenditure in 1973-74 and estimated expenditure in 1974-75 under this item is shown below:

Travelling Allowances Fares Car Hire ..

Miscellaneous

Estimate 1974-75 $

826900 387100 385 000 151 000

1 750 000

Expenditure 1973-74 $

684184 421 954 334033 150 516

1 590 687

It will be seen from the above table that expenditure on travelling allowances is expected to increase by approximately $143 000. Of that amount $121000 is due to an increase in travelling allowances rates. Therefore, in real terms, the increase in travelling allowance amounts only to $22 000. It will also be noticed that a drop in expenditure on fares is forecast ; however, the estimate does not provide for the latest increase in air fares.

Part of the increase of$51 000 in car hire is due to increased day and mileage rates . The most significant reasons for increased travel and car hire requirements arise from the Department's decentralisation program involving travel to areas where new offices are being set up and also costs incurred in running training courses necessary to enable the Department's officers to implement the Government's extended Social Welfare program. For these reasons expenditure is expected to increase by $128000 but this will be offset by the decreased expenditure on travel resulting from the installation of a new computer in the Department's Central Office in Canberra.

The Department is employing approximately 7000 officers in about 100 office.s throughout Australia and considerable travel has to be undertaken to service these offices in various ways and to service the Department's clients in outlying areas. Stringent controls are applied in all areas of expenditure under this item.

The main purposes for which travel and subsistence expenditure is required during 1974-75 and the approximate amounts for each are shown hereunder:

Regional Offices On 30 June 1974 the Department had 79 Regional Offices in all States. It intends to open 60 new Regional Offices in 1974-75 under the Department's decentralisation program. Expenditure will be incurred in internal audit visits to these offices, inspections of the offices for

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Approx. Cost $

various purposes, provision of relief staff and travel in connection with setting up new offices Automatic Data Processing Travel is necessary for ADP Systems D evelopment and System s and

Programm ing wo rk in connection w ith new computer equipment in State H eadquarters and Regional Offices H ospital and M edical Services Departmental officers are required to visit Nursing Homes , Ho spital

and Medical Funds offices , etc. in connection with the Government's existi ng H ospital and Medical Benefit s Scheme Inquiry Office rs Visits to clients by Inquiry Officers from State Headquarters and

Regional Offices in connection with benefits under the Social Services Act Australian Assistan ce Plan Travel t o Regional areas in all States in connection with the develop "

ment of the Australian Assistance Plan Settlement Services Travel in connection with migrant sett lement services which were previously the responsibilit y of the Department of Labor and

$

600000

200000

80000

100 000

80000

Immi gration 50 000

Co mmission oflnquiry into Poverty Travel necessary in connection with the Poverty Inquiry 50000 Planning Control and D evelopm ent Travel by officers of the Central Administration to State Headquarters

and som e Regional Offices in connection with the introduction of new Management Systems and Procedures and the development and review of existing m ethods and procedures 40 000

Training Travellin g and Subsistence expenditure incurred by officers selected to attend special training courses . . 50 000

National Superannuation Committee of Inquiry Travelling and Subsistence expenditure incurred in the hearings to be held in various State capital cities 30000

Mea l Allowances Meal allowances due to officers required to work over-time. . 150 000 Subsidised Travelling A llowances Allowances paid to unmarried officers on temporary duty in capital

cities 40 000

Miscellaneous Inter state visit s by senior officers of Central Administration and State H eadquarter s on meetings and various departmental business, travel by departmental officers assisting various committees of inquir y and payme nt of air fares for Ministerial staff 280 000

TOTAL l 750000

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STATEMENT C

(530/2/02)

SENATE ESTIMATES CO MMITTEE E

INFORMATION SOUGHT BY SENATOR BAUME

Details of the estimated increase in the number of pensioners expected during 1974--75. This question was asked in relation to the estimated increased expenditure of office requisites , stationery, printin g- Division 530/2/02- directl y attribu table to the increase in numb ers of pensioner s.

R esponse The actual number of pensioners being paid under the Social Services Act by the Department of Social Securit y as at 30 June 1974 and the estimated numb er at 30 June 1975, together with the respective net and percentage increases are tabulated here " under:

Ac!Ual Estimated

Estimated

Pension or Beneji I N umber at Number at

Increase

30.6.74 30.6.75

No %

Age Pensions .. I 027 582 I 100000 72 41 8 7.05

Invalid Pensions !56 783 161000 4217 2.69

Widow s Pensions 11 5 310 120 200 4890 4.24

Sub-total I 299 675 1381200 81525 6.27

Wive s Pensions 47 399 50000 2601 5.49

Supporting M others Benefit 26286 28 800 2 514 9.56

Total I 373 360 1460000 86640 6.31

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STATEMENT D

(530/2/03)

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

INFORMATION SOUGHT BY SENATOR BAUME

An explanation was sought as to why it was necessary to incur postage costs of $100000 in sending group certificates and statements of taxable pensions to pensiOners.

Response During the Budget 1973 sittings of Parliament , amendments to the Taxation legislation had the effect that certain pensions commenced to be treated as income subject to tax as from I July 1973. However, some pensions or components of pen " sions paid under the Social Services Act continue to be exempt from taxation. These include:

" pensions paid to those who have not reached the age at which they may qualify for age pension; " additional pension for children and guardian's or mother's allowance; " supplementary assistance (rent allowance). The Australian Taxation Office produced explanatory material to assist pen " sioners to determine whether they had to submit a taxation return. Despite that assistance and the availability of advice from Taxation officers about the new measures, few pensioners would have been able to calculate with certainty the amount of pension subject to tax they had received in 1973-74.

Most pensioners in receipt of pensions subject to the means test do not come into the taxable bracket. Although it was estimated that no more than 20% of pensioners in receipt of pensions subject to tax would need to lodge tax returns , it was recognised that, despite the assistance of the Taxation Office leaflets , many pensioners might not fully understand this position and many would not know precisely how much taxable pension they had received. Only a very few pensioners , who were in receipt of other income, had asked for taxation deductions to be made from their pension.

It was decided that with the exception of those who had arranged deductions, the most appropriate course to take at the end of the first financial year in which some pensions were taxable was to issue an individual statement to each pensioner inform " ing him of the amount of pension paid to him during 1973-74 which was subject to tax. This would not only assist those pensioners who were required to lodge taxation

returns but would assure the majority of pensioners that they would not need to submit returns. Group certificates were issued to those pensioners who had requested taxation deductions to be made from their pensions. The method adopted was to forward to pensioners a statement of pension paid subject to tax and to enclose with the statement an advice prepared by the Australian Taxation Office clearly explaining the circumstances under which tax was payable.

In a number of cases where statements could not be provided immediately after the end of the financial year, pensioners were advised of the general position and invited to obtain details from the Department if they wished to complete an early return.

By adopting the above procedure, the majority of pensioners receiving pensions subject to the means test, and with little other income, were saved the trouble and the worry of having to submit a tax return. Furthermore, a great deal of effort and expense was saved by the Taxation Office because the number of returns which would

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otherwise have been submitted was substantially reduced. Had the alternative approach been adopted of allowing pensioners to state the gross pension received, or their calculation of taxable pension, it would have been necessary for elaborate liaison and procedural machinery to have been established so that Taxation Office could be informed by the Department of Social Security of the correct figure for pension subject to tax in each individual case.

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STATEMENT E

(530/2/08)

SENA TE ESTIMATES CO MM ITTEE E

INFORMATION SOUGHT BY SENATOR TOWNLEY

The total cost of computer services since the introduction of computers within the Department in 1967.

Response The total cost of computer equipment purchased and the cost of maintenance and hire of computing equipment and consumable stores is tabulated hereunder:

Cost of"

Cost of" n1aintenance, To tal

Year capital

hire and cost

equipm ent consumable stores

1967-68. 823 766 266180 1 089946

1968-69 .. 822 862 237 620 1 060482

1969-70 .. 235 114 235114

1970-71. 2401519 300 808 2 702 327

1971-72 .. 399 160 399 160

1972-73 . 438 860 438 860

1973-74. 9 053 558 601141 9 654699

Total 13 101705 2 478 883 15 580588

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

STATEMENT F

(530/2/09)

INFORMATION SOUGHT BY SENATOR BAUME

A statement was required of the estimated expenditure for advertising which related to the setting up of interim Regional Councils and Regional Councils for Social Development under the Australian Assistance Plan. An explanation of the procedures associated with that advertising was also required. Response

Of the amount of $100 000 estimated expenditure for Australian Assistance Plan publicity , $35 000 has been set aside for national resources material and $65 000 for promotion on a regional basis. The national promotion will include the production of a leaflet for national distribution , outlining the scope and purpose of the Australian Assistance Plan. The leaflet will be translated into at least six languages. Posters , charts , back-up leaflets and audio visual aids will also be produced. A newsletter is also being produced and circulated regularly to Regional Councils for Social Development and people involved

in the Plan. The objective with these 'common user' resource materials is to enable communities and people involved in community action to look at the AAP from a uniform basis. The printing of publications will be arranged through the Australian Government Publishing Service.

In regard to the Regional promotion, the Department and Social Welfare Commission are in the process of reviewing the various regions to see where publicity could stimulate wider community interest and understanding of the Australian Assistance Plan and thereby attract wider representation .

It is not intended to allocate funds from the Australian Assistance Plan Advert " ising Program to separate organisations , such as Regional Councils for Social Development. Consultations will be held with Regional Councils which have specific problems concerning the presentation of the Australian Assistance Plan to the public and where problems are identified , funds will be expended by the Department on publicity

projects within individual regional areas. The main components will be printing and advertising and these will be arranged through the Australian Government Publishing Service and the Australian Government Advertising Service respectively. Representatives of this Department and the Social Welfare Commission are working together to identify problem areas and to investigate ways of solving them before funds are used.

Apart from this, groups involved in establishing an interim Regional Council for Social Development can use part of the $2000 Initiating Grant for publicity. Regional Councils for Social Developl.\1ent and interim councils can allocate part of their Administrative Grant to publicity , ).vhich is a recognised administrative cost. Some Councils have in fact done so.

The experiences of two Regional Councils for Social Development may be relevant to some of the Senator's queries. The administrator of the Melbourne Outer Eastern Region Council has reported that in his region interest in the Australian Assistance Plan had been stimulated in the following ways:

(I) a publicity sub-committee was formed, with one person responsible for weekly contact with the Press;

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(2) Press releases to local newspapers, radio stations etc., and circulating infor " mation to organisations ; (3) creating a speaker's panel to address organisations to in-depth discussions. Very little was expended on paid advertising . It was considered more important to establish personal contact with new s editors and journalists.

The Director of Social Planning of the South West Sydney Regional Council commented similarly and reported that response to paid advertising in newspapers had been poor. Addresses by Departmental and Commission officers to organisations had been 'fruitful '; as had one interview about the AAP on television . The most effective method had been to encourage leaders of local government authorities to

promote the AAP and to take an active role in it. The Regional Council now employed a part-time publicity officer , who had obtained widespread free publicity, and Community Development Officers stimulated considerable interest.

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

STATEMENT G

(532/2/0 I)

INFORMATION SOUGHT BY SENATOR TOWNLEY

A detailed breakdown of expenditure on travelling and subsistence , under Division 532/2/01, for the Social Welfare Commission.

Response An amount of $70 000 has been estimated to provide for the payment of travelling allowances, fares, meal allowances, hire and running of vehicles and expenses incidental to travelling for officers of the Social Welfare Commission. Provision is also made for the payment of travelling allowances and fares to part-time Com " missioners , members of Committees and representatives from outside organisations to attend Commission meetings.

In order to undertake the functions as outlined in the Social W elfare Commission A ct 1973, the Chairman, Deputy Chairman and Commission staff are required to travel extensively to consult with relevant State Government, Local Government and voluntary agencies throughout Australia . The estimate for 1974-75 is expected to exceed expenditure in 1973-741argel y because the Commission has now recruited its basic operating staff . Steps are being taken to appoint the Deputy Chairman but this position has been filled on an acting basis since August 1974.

The detailed breakdown of this item is as follows: (1) Interstate Travel Chairman Deputy Chairman

Commission Staff

(2) Overseas Travel

$6450 3170 16880

(Including visit of Chairman and Secretary to Africa, Europe and North America- already undertaken) (3) Commission and Committee Meetings Travel expenditure of part-time Commissioners and members of

Working Party on Social Welfare Manpower and Research Advisory Committee ( 4) Outside Organisations Reimbursement of travel expenditure to members of public

invited to attend Commis sion (5) Car Hire and M eal Allowance Car hire Meal allowance

$9000 I 000

$

26500

7 500

20000

6000

10000

$70000

The Commission is exercising stringent supervision of all travel undertaken as a means of conserving a travel vote which is rather limited relative to the extensive functions with which the Commission is charged.

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STATEMENT H

(532/3/01)

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

INFORMATION SOUGHT BY SENATOR BAUME

Details of proposed expenditure on consultants including names, fees and purposes for which they are being used by the Social Welfare Commission.

Respor>se An amount of $120 000 has been estimated to provide for remuneration of consultants engaged by and responsible to the Commission, to investigate and evaluate social welfare projects and to advise the Commission on matters pertinent to its functions , other than the Australian Assistance Plan for which separate pro " vision has been provided in Division 530/4/02.

The Commission has to have capacity to engage consultants to provide specialist advice, where appropriate , on existing programs and project s which may be approved at future Comm ission meetings or which may be referred to the Commission by the Government. An example of the latter type of project is the Child Care Report which wa s referred to the Commission in January 1974 and for which a core team of 15 persons wa s engaged on a consultanc y basis over a period of some months.

The estimate for 1974-75 is based on the equivalent of up to twelve consultants engaged full time, but the number of consultants and period of engagement of each will vary throughout the year according to specific needs as they arise. At present four consultant s are working with the Commis sion on the following

basis:

Nam e

MrS. Yuen

Mr D . Boorer

Mrs H . McLeish

Current rate of r emun eration

$11 032 for 12 months

contract

Travelling allowance and and other relevant reim " bursements, as approved by the Secretary $10524 for 12 months

contract

Travelling allowance and other relevant reimburse " ments, as approved by the Secretar y $5221 for 6 months contract

Travelling allowance and other relevant reimburse " ments, as approved by the Secretary

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Purpose

To provide advice and to undertake research related to the needs of the Working Party on Social Welfare Manpower

To advise on communica " tion system and a publica " tion policy for the Com " mission

To provide, on an experi " mental basis, Commission contact point in Victoria and to advise on the most effective way for the Com " mission to have a continuing liaison with Statutory and

voluntary bodies at State and local levels

Name

Dr T. Vinson

Current rate of remuneration

Honorary consultancy arrangement approved by the State Government of New South Wales, which employs Dr Vinson

Travelling allowance and other relevant reimburse " ments, as approved by the Secretary

Purpose

To advise the Commission on the use of social

indicators and related matters

Consultants attached to the Child Care project as a carry over from 1973-74 have now completed their contracts and consideration is currently being given to the engagement of additional consultants to advise the Commission in the areas of social welfare manpower planning and income security . As previously stated , the estimate provides for the engagement of consultants in areas of work which are as yet not determined.

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DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

OVERSEAS VISITS SCHEDULE

Senator Baume during the discussions on overseas travel asked for a copy of the Overseas Visits Schedule. Attached is the schedule of overseas travel to be undertaken by Departmental officers in 1974-75, as approved by the Departmental Overseas Visits Committee and the Treasury.

DETAILS OF OVERSEAS TRAVEL TO BE INCLUDED IN

THE ESTIMATES 1974-75

Detail s of Travel

I. Director-General and two officers to attend the 4th Common " wealth Medical Conference at Sri Lanka during November 1974 2. Director-General and one officer to attend 28th World Health Assembly, 14th Governing Council of IARC and to visit

Migration Centres in Europe during May -June 1975 (Director " General's air fare will be recovered from WHO in 1975-76) 3. Director-General and Dr Evans to attend 9th Eastern Regional Conference of International Union Against Tuberculosis in

New Delhi from 3-8 November 1973 (Estimates for Dr Evans are included under the Medical Services Division) Quarantine Division- General Quarantine Branch 4. Six Medical Officers to attend a Smallpox Training Course in

India, Bangladesh and Ethiopia during February-March 1975

Plant Quarantine Branch 5. Deputy Director-General and State Director of Health to visit New Zealand for an International Quarantine Congress during October 1974 6. Assistant Director-General to attend the meeting of South East

Asia and Pacific Plant Protection Committee and Indonesian aid Programme during December 1974 in Bangkok and Jakarta . Also to visit Japan for technical meeting on Container Shipping and Plant Protection 7. Assistant Director-General to attend F AO Ad hoc Consultation

on International Plant Protection Convention in Rome .. Animal Quarantine Branch 8. Two State Veterinary Officers to attend the Exotic Disease training course at Gross Ile, Canada during May 1975 ..

9. Four State veterinary officers to study outbreaks of exotic disease. No dates or countries available at this stage 10. ADG Animal Quarantine to attend annual meeting of OlE in France and the U.K. during May 1975 11. ADG Animal Quarantine to attend F AO-OIE regional con "

ference and for preliminary negotiations on disease testing for exports through high security animal Quarantine Station during

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Amount

$

4100

6400

1220

10700

1100

2200

2200

3600

5600

2500

Details of Travel

September 1974. Countries to be visited are Iran, France, West Germany , Switzerland and the U.K.

Managem ent Services Division 12. Mr R . Searle to attend the Medinfo Conference in Stockholm and WHO Geneva for discussions on adverse drug reactions during July-August 1974 13. An officer to attend a European Guide (IBM Equipment Users)

Conference and visit IBM installations in Europe in November 1974 or June 1975 14. Mr D . Dunlop to travel to U.S.A., Canada and Europe, for the Interim Committee on Production of Pharmaceutical Products

15. Recruitment of Medical Officers and Programmers from overseas

Public Health Divisi on 16. First Assistant Director-General to attend an international conference on Control of Communicable Diseases in Man at San

Amount

$

3000

3600

3 550

5000 12000

Francisco, USA in November 1974 1 706

Occupational Health Branch 17. Assistant Director-General to visit the USA, Russia, Frartce and the U.K. to investigate and report on government occupational health services in these countries. Dates of travel not known 3 485

Environmental Health Branch 18. An officer and State Director of Health to attend the 1Oth Session of the Codex Alimentarius Commission in Italy during July 1974 paid by F/A 19. An officer to attend 8th Session of Codex Committee on Foods

for Special Dietary uses to be held in Germany in September 1974. Also to attend 4th International Congress of Food Science and Technology in Spain paid by F/A

20. An officer to attend the 5th International Clean Air Conference New Zealand during February 1975 550

21. An officer to attend the 12th Session of the Codex Committee on Food Hygiene in May 1975 in USA. Also to attend the lOth Codex Committee on Food Labelling in Canada during the Food Hygiene trip . . paid by F/A

22. An officer of Food Section to attend the lOth Session of the Codex Committee on Food Additives in Holland during June 1975 paid by F/A 23. An officer to attend the 8th Session of the Codex Committee on Pesticide Residues in Holland during June 1975 paid by F/A

Therapeutics Division - Therapeutic Goods Branch 24. Dr I. B. Thomas (Member of the Adverse Drug Reaction Committee) to attend annual meeting of Teratology Society in Canada during July 1974 2 800

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Detail s of Travel

25. An officer to attend a clinical conference on Pharmacological and clinical control of Cardiovascular Drugs to be held in New York in January 1975 26. An officer to attend a New Drug Seminar at the National Institute

of Health, Maryland, USA in February 1975

Na tional Biological Standards Laboratory

27. An officer to attend a Sympo sium on the Standardization and control of Allergens administered to Man , and also to attend the 2nd International Conference on Immunology in July 1974. Countries to be visited are Switzerland and England 28. The Director , N .B.S.L. to visit Europe and the U.K. for dis "

cussions on future editions of the B .P. and E .P. and closer liaison regarding new monographs, and to also attend the International Sympo sium on the future developments of the Pharmacopoeias in Rome during October I 974 .. 29. Two officers from N .B.S.L. to visit Europe and United States as

part of an evaluation team with officers of the Department of Housing and Construction to study special facilities for the production of SPF Animals and to visit the National Animal Diseases Laboratory, U.S. Department of Agriculture

M edical Services Division 30. First Assistant Director-General to attend the 9th Eastern Regional Conference of the International Union Against Tuberculosis to be held in New Delhi from 3-8 November 1974

and to attend a Program Committee Meeting of the World Body of IUAT at Lagos from 18-20 November 1974. He will also visit Calcutta , Dacca, Born bay, Nairobi, DarEs Salaam for discussion s with Immigration and Foreign Affairs personnel 31. Two officers to attend the 25th Meeting of WHO Regional

Committee for the Western Pacific in September 1974 .. 32. An officer from Central Office and one from the Northern Territory to attend the 6th Conference of Directors of South Pacific Commission Territorial Health Services in February 1975

at the Cook Islands .. 33. The Director of the Gerontology Branch to attend the Inter " national Conference on Gerontology to be held m Jerusalem from 22 to 27 June 1975

D ental H ealth Branch Assistant Director-General to travel to World Dental Congress

Amount

$

2500

2 500

3000

4000

6000

3 850

2100

1 650

1400

at London 8-14 September 1974 3 200

Total Central Office.. $108 011

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Details of Travel Am ount

$

New South Wales School of Public H ealth and Tropical M edicine 1. Professor McPherson to attend the I st W orld Congress on Environmental Medicine and Biology in France in July 1974 . . 2 800

2. Dr G . Budd to attend a meeting of SCAR Working Group on Human Biology and Medicine in Wyoming , U SA to be held in September 1974 2165

3. Professor C. Kerr to attend the lEA Epidemiology Conference and to read a paper to the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine in the U.K. during August 1974 3 !50

4. Dr G. Scott to attend the lEA Regional Meeting in Zurich in April 1975 2 680

5. Dr G. Smith to attend the International Labour Conference in Geneva and the 12th Internatio nal Congress on Disease, in the U.K . during June-July 1974 730

6. Professor E. Black to visit Bangkok for consultation re SPH & TM and SEAMEP . . I 940

7. Dr P. Moodie to visit the USA for course in diesease control techniques during October-November 1974 3 800

8. Dr I. Webster to attend a training seminar in Cardiovascular Epidemiology in Hungary in August 1974 2 545

National A coustic Laboratories 9. Mr G . Kossoff to attend American Ultrasonics m Medicine Meeting in the USA in October 1974 2 000

10. Mr D. Robinson to attend and present papers at two scientific meetings, visit a number of research laboratories and service on the Faculty of a Summer School run by the American Association of Physicists in Medicine during July-August 1974 I 000

11 . Mr D. Byrne to attend the American Speech and Hearing Association Congress in the USA and to visit centres in Europe in November 1974 . . 3 000

12. One engineer to visit manufacturing plants of hearing and components in the USA and Europe 3 000

13. An officer to attend the 8th International Congress on Acoustics in London during July 1974 8 000

Institut e of Child H ealth 14. Dr Rowe to attend a Biochemistry Congress m Hamburg in May 1975 3 300

15. Professor Stapleton to attend a paediatricians conference at Budapest in May 1975 3 300

16. Professor Katz to participate and present a paper at the Eighth International Congress of the International Association for Child Psychiatry and Allied Professions to be held in the USA in July-August 1974 3 245

Total N.S.W. $46 6555

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Details of Travel Amount

$

Victoria

Australian Radiation Laboratori es

I. Mr Stevens to attend two meetings of the International Com-mittee for Radiation Protection 5 400

2. Principal Physicist to attend the conference of Nuclear Medicine and Biology at Tokyo in October 1974 I 934

3. Mr Richardson to attend the First Asian Regional Congress on Radiation Protection at Bombay in December 1974 1 700

Bureau of D ental Standards

Mr Ware to attend the Federation Dentaire Internationale and International Organisation for Standardisation in London m September 1974 2 500

Total Victoria $11 534

Provision for local travel at overseas subtreasuries, London, Geneva and New York 12 500

Total Overseas Travel Division 270 $176 200

TRAINING OF AUSTRALIAN DENTAL THERAPISTS IN

NEW ZEALAND

Senator Baume sought additional information on the training of Australian dental therapists in New Zealand. In particular he wished to know how many thera " pists Australia is getting from the program, how many are currently being trained and how many years the program will run before Australia will be able to run its own training schools.

The following information is supplied in response to Senator Baume's questions . In 1973 the Australian and New Zealand Governments agreed that New Zealand would train up to a maximum of 100 Australian dental therapists and that Australia would reimburse New Zealand for the costs involved. Training Australian students in New Zealand is an interim measure only, pending the development of Australian dental therapy training schools.

As at June 1974, 77 Australian dental therapy students had gone to New Zealand for training and it is expected that a further 23 will commence study there in March 1975. This will complete the New Zealand training project. Of the 100 students , it is expected that approximately 90 will graduate and be available to work in the Australian School Dental Service.

The number of students commencing training in Australian dental therapy schools has increased from 50 in 1973 to 200 in 1974. There are currently 6 dental therapy training schools in Australia. It is expected that by 1977-78 there will be 15 such schools operating in Australia with a combined capacity to graduate 600 dental therapists each year.

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FALL-OUT STUDIES UNIT

In the course of the Committee's discussions on postage, telegrams and telephone services- Division 27012 03. Senator Baume asked to be provided wi th particular s of the amount included under this item for the Fall-out Studies U nit. The following information is provided in response to Senator Baum e's inquir y:

Included in the 1974-75 Estimates under Item 270 2,03 is an amoun t of $1400 for the Fall-out Studies Unit. The amount provided is required for: (i) telephones $1200

(ii) postage $ 200

Total $1400

CANBERRA HOSPITAL SALARIES AND WAGES

Senator Baume asked for a comp arative statement of salaries and wages between the estimates for 1974-75 and the actual expenditure for 1973-74 Expenditure on salaries and wages for the Canberra Hospital in 1973-74 amounted to $8 787 632. The estimated requirement for 1974-75 is $10 751 500.

NORTHERN TERRITORY HOSPITALS - CAPITAL EQUIPME T

Senator Baume sought additional information regarding the composition of the Capital Equipment Program for 1974-75. The main components of expenditure are medical, radiolog y, wards, paramedical, vehicles and miscellaneous items. The areas covered by each component, the type of equipment used, and the estimated total provision for each component are set out below.

I. Medical 1.1 Covers anaesthetics, surgery, central sterilising, casualty and all other medical specialities. 1.2 Equipment includes anaesthetic machines, operating tables , blood gas

analysis machines, monitoring equipment, EEG machines, ventilators , blood pressure monitors, infant incubators, operating microscopes, autoclaves , fibro-optic equipment, trolleys etc. 1.3 Estimated provision $165 000.

2. Radiology 2.1 Covers all equipment for X-ray theatres . 2.2 Equipment includes X-ray tables , cameras, image intensifiers , film processor s, etc. 2.3 Estimated provision $132 000.

3. Wards

3.1 Covers all wards. 3.2 Equipment includes beds, lockers, tables overbed, wheelchairs, instruments and patient trolleys , drug refrigerators and cabinets , scales, cots, sphygmo " manometers, examination lamps, commodes, diagnostic sets, infra-red lamps,

bassinettes , instrument sterilisers, etc. 3.3 Estimated provision $112 000.

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4. Para-Medical

4.1 Covers physiotherapy, pharmacy, occupational therapy, speech therapy, etc. 4.2 Equipment includes exercisers, electric stimulation machines, microwave units, pottery, printing and weaving equipment, diapulse units, traction equipment, etc.

4.3 Estimated provision $62 000.

5. Vehicles

5.1 Covers specialised drivable units for all areas. 5.2 Equipment includes ambulances, forklifts, tractors, tow motors, etc. 5.3 Estimated provision $71 000.

6. Miscellaneous Items

6.1 Covers training, laundry, kitchen, boiler rooms, yards, stores administration, accommodation, etc. 6.2 Equipment includes vacuum cleaners, polishers, lawnmowers, kitchen and laundry trolleys, anatomical models, ladders, wheelbarrows, industrial

sewing machines, vitamisers, stovettes, etc. 6.3 Estimated provision $88 000.

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DEPARTMENT OF THE ENVffiONMENT AND CONSERVATION

The Secretary Senate Estimates Committee E Room L 15

Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

P.O. Box 1937

Canberra City, A.C.T. 2601 22 October 1974

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

The following information is supplied in response to a question raised during this Department's appearance before Senate Estimates Committee Eon 17 October 1974.

Division: 230 Administrative Sub Division: 2 Administrative Expenses Item: 08 Advertising

Question: Could the Committee be informed of the order of costs involved in placing advertisements for top level specialist positions in the Department? Answer: All advertising for positions within the Department is undertaken

through the Australian Government Advertising Service. Costs vary with the type, size and coverage of advertisements . By wa y of an example, an advertisement 2 columns x 15 em , for the position of First Assistant Secretary - Environment Protection which was placed in the newspapers listed below on 27 July 1974, cost $1064.32 in total: The Australian The Sydney Morning Herald The Daily Telegraph The Melbourne Age The Melbourne Sun The Brisbane Courier The Canberra Times The Hobart Mercury The Adelaide Advertiset The West Australian The Northern Territory Times

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D . F. MCMI CHAEL

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee F has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

l. On 3 October 1974, the Senate referred to the Committee the Estimates for the year 1974-75 relating to the following Departments: Postmaster-General's Department D epartment of Defence

D epartment of Labor and Immigration. 2. The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Postmaster-General and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Han sard report of the evidence taken by the

Commi ttee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropria " tion Bill ( o. I ) 1974-75 and Appropriation Bill (No.2) 1974-75.

3. After the completion of the Committee's hearing additional information was received in reply to questions asked by Senators and this is included as in Appendix A to the Report.

4. The Co mmittee records its appreciation of the assistance given by the Postmaster " General and officers of the various Departments whose Estimates the Committee considered.

J. A . MULVIHILL

Chairman

ovember 1974

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Estimates Committee F

Appendix

POSTMASTER-GENERAL

Canberra, A. C. T. 2600

Dear Senator Mulvihill ,

During the examination of the Estimates of my Department on Thursday, 17 October 1974, there were several matters in respect of which I undertook to provide additional information. There were others for which some further explanation could be helpful and these are commented on also in the following paragraphs.

For convenience, the comments are referenced to the page number of Hansard in which the points are discussed. Page 232- Senator Durack Contract Work on Broadcasting and Television Capital Works.

Generally contractor installation is restricted to the erection oflarge broadcasting and television masts and towers which are, of necessity , purchased on a supply and erect basis because larger structures are outside the capacity of our staff. The total value of mast and tower erection work handled by contractors would be in the vicinity of $150 000 per annum.

However, a special current project is the establishment of remote area television stations in Queensland under Phase 7 of the Television Extension Plan, and due to labour resource shortages within the Department and in order to expedite this work, it is being carried out largely under contract. The total value of the project is approxi " mately $2.5m of which about $800 000 covers the contract installation and com " missioning aspects. This project is being spread over the 1973-74 and 1974-75 financial years.

Page 234- Senator Durack Payment of the $16 a week increase to Non -Official Postmasters. Although the rise was effective from I July 1974 and 4 July 1974, depending on whether the office was full time or scale rate (conducted in conjunction with another business) , the determination was not issued until 4 September 1974. The current objective of the Department is to pay rises awarded to Departmental employees within four full pay periods from the issue of detailed instructions in respect of a determination. While this period was agreed with Departmental Staff Associations some time ago as being reasonable , having regard to the work pressures in the payroll preparation area, the Department has undertaken to reduce the period to three pay

periods in the new year. Senator J. A. Mulvihill Chairman Senate Estimates Committee F Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

The same objective in paying increases to non-official postmasters is followed, although in the case under discussion, the adjustments are more complex than for Post Office staff, as they affect allowances for such things as work outside normal office hours and on Sundays. The payment for Postmasters at full time offices where

payment is made fortnightl y should be completed by 6 November 1974 and by the November payment for scale rate offices where payment is made monthly. Having regard to the date of the determination and the complexity of the adjust " ments, the increas es are being paid as quickly as practicable.

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Page 238- Senator Lawrie Non-Continuous Telephone Exchange Service

In Queensland, at 30 June 1974, there were 330 non-continuous exchanges pro " viding 4600 subscribers' services . The national figures, which are shown in Table 16 on Page 69 of the Postmaster-General's Department Annual Report for 1974, are 1075 and 15 830, respectively. Page 243-Senator Marriott Television Relays, Sydney-Brisbane Standby Bearer

Senator Marriott said that Senator Guilfoyle has been told of dissatisfaction with television services in Brisbane in respect to the standby bearer service from Sydney. Standby bearers are provided on our major routes because the reliability of telephony bearers is not sufficiently high for the standard of service the Department seeks to provide. In this regard, a study of the Sydney-Brisbane route for the six-month period from April to September showed that the standby bearer was required for telephony purposes on a number of occasions quite apart from any conditions which affected the standby bearer itself.

The study indicated that, over the period mentioned, about 5 per cent of scheduled programme time was lost because of the use of the standby bearer for telephony purposes. However, as failures of both telephony and standby bearers occur at random, some program relays were more adversely affected than others. Moreover, the time lost was considerably g~;eater during the past few months than earlier in the year.

As the equipment used for this bearer is of an older design employing valves, it is subject to random interruptions to a greater extent than the modern solid state equipment. In this regard, too, colour upgrading work has been in progress on the route in recent months. This work involves testing , adjustments and replacement of certain components and it has been the Department's experience that such distur " bances usually cause a temporary increase in the fault rate with some faults occurring hours or even days after the staff have left a location. Further upgrading work is still to be undertaken but, when this is completed by about the end of the year, it is expected that the general performance of the bearer will improve.

Because it is the primary role of a standby bearer to provide protection tor tele " phony, it will always be affected by interruptions to a greater degree than dedicated television bearers. In these circumstances, the Department will be unable to provide a high quality service on the Sydney-Brisbane route until an additional dedicated bearer can be made available. On present indications , it is expected that a dedicated television bearer will be brought into service early in 1976. Pages 238 and 242 Statements by Officers

Apart from the above comments I would draw your attention to page 238 where the letters RPx appear in a statement by Mr Freeman; these should read RCEX. On page 242, Mr Brasier is reported as saying labour costs of the new courier service would be about $90 000, whereas the figure should read $900 000.

Yours sincerely,

R. BISHOP

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COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA

My dear Senator,

MINISTER FOR DEFENCE Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

31 October 1974

In accordance with my undertaking to provide addition al information to the Estimates Committee on the operation of the Defence Forces, attac hed are expla " nations in relation to: " Off-shore wildlife sanctuaries

" Civilian manpower savings " Uniformed personnel working in Defence Headquarters in Canberra " Air accident of Red Sales pilots " RAN and RAAF surveillance of patrol activity " RAAF guard dogs

There was an additiona l question asked by Senator Marriott on the amount of work placed in the local aircraft industry by Defence. The answer to this question will take a little time to provide because of its complex nature and the detail which needs to be extracted from departmental records involving the three Service Offices and the Department of Manufacturing Industry .

I trust that this information will be of assistance to the Committee.

Senator J. Mulvihill Chairman Senate Estimates Committee F Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

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REG BISHOP Representing the Minister for D efence

ADDITIONAL EXPLANATIONS ON THE DEFENCE VOTE

1974-75 PROVIDED TO SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

Division 602-Civil Personnel

Off-Shore Wild Life Sanctuaries

Coastal surveillance by the Services is regularly undertaken for both defence and civil purposes, and the two requirements often complement each other. Although routine patrols are not specifically directed to investigation of off-shore wild life sanctuaries, these areas are covered from time to time. The frequency and area of routine patrolling is normally agreed between the Services and appropriate civil authorities, such as the Department of Agriculture. In addition, Services assistance is often provided to State authorities to meet ad hoc requests arising from specific reports or where there is a demonstrable need for a sustained effort in a particular place or time.

Liaison between State authorities and the Services is effected through the senior single service authority in each State who respond to specific requests from State authorities. This procedure applies particularly in respect to Navy patrol boats and reserve training vessels (through the Naval Officers in command in each state) to

requests by State authorities. In addition Joint Service Local Planning Committees are being set up in each State to co-ordinate activities of this kind.

Manpower savings The Minister for Defence has made various statements both in Parliament and to the press about the manpower reductions in the Department of Defence over the last 18 months or so. In relation to the Senate Estimates Committee inquiry which men " tioned a figure of three to four thousand civilians being saved within a period of 12 to 18 months the following is pertinent.

In 1973-74 civilian reductions totalled 4320 these reductions were made largely by economies and reducing lower priority support manpower all Service and civilian support areas. The planned reductions for 1974-75 of 1500 civilian personnel will be as a result of rationalising activities through better organisation by further reducing support in areas which no longer warrant priority and some savings will occur from the re-organisation of the Defence Department provided that Parliament adopts the new legislation before middle of I 974. It is considered that most of these reductions will be achieved from normal attrition and will not have a significant effect on Defence capabilities under the Defence force structure.

Uniformed Personnel Working in Defence Headquarters in Canberra An approximate number of uniformed personnel working at Defence head " quarters which basically consists of the Russell Offices and Campbell Park Offices is 2250. This of course does not include other uniformed personnel working in such establishments as Joint Services Staff College, RAAF Base, Fairbairn, on which the RAAF Staff College is situated, Naval Communications Station, Harman which does provide some Service personnel on a daily basis to the Department and the Royal Military College Duntroon.

Air Accident and Red Sales Pilots The pilots involved in the Red Sales accident were on duty at the time the accident occurred. Accordingly their families received compensation payable under the Commonwealth Employees' Compensation Act 1930-1971. In addition, High Court Writs were issued on behalf of the dependants claiming damages in negligence against

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the Commonwealth its servants and agents. The actions were settled in favour of the m ajority of plaintiffs in 1965. Two of the plaintiffs , however, did not receive their settlement monies until 1971. The Commonwealth paid the plaintiffs costs in each case.

RAN and R A AF Patrol Activit y Although the Defence Force is not responsible for policing the fisheries, customs, imm igration , quarantine and pollution laws, it is the major supplier of vehicles for coastal surveillance activity associated with those laws. An IDC on Australian Coastal Surveillan ce has been charged with developing the most effective co-ordinating organisation for routine coastal surveillance. The services will contribute to this organisation which, if approved, will co-ordinate 'systematic coastal observation' through the M arine Operations Centre. Coastal law enforcement operations requiring D efence Force assistance will continue to be a matter for direct liaison between the responsible Department(s) and the Department of Defence.

The RAN and the RAAF co-ordinate their efforts in coastal surveillance activity , and ensure effecti ve liaison between ships and aircraft on patrol. In addition to patrols specificall y tasked for coastal surveillance , the RAN and the RAAF are tasked to utilise appropriate operational and normal training tasks for this purpose.

Reports of signific ant sightin gs mad e during these tasks are processed in the same wa y as reports from specific patrols . The Services' effort in coastal surveillance is programmed to take account of the requirements of user departments. For example, detailed plans to implement the fisheries patrol program are developed by the Department of Agriculture with Defence (Navy Office) and Defence (Air Office). Since 1968 the RAN patrol boat program has been primarily designed to cover at least the minimum requirements of user depart "

ments, especially in respect of fisheries patrol requirements. Before February 1974, the RAAF commitment to coastal surveillance consisted of 540 flying hours for Dakota fisheries patrols , and response to ad hoc requests . Following authorisation in February of an additional 800 flying hours for Long Range Maritime Patrol aircraft activity in coastal surveillance , the RAAF has been increasing the frequency of its patrol s in this role.

A Coastal Surveillance Co-ordination Committee has been established within Department of Defence to effect co-ordination between the Department of Customs and Excise and the Services in respect of Customs requirements . A wider role is foreseen for this Committee; it is seen as the co-ordinating body for Defence Force assistance in all coastal surveillance activities . This matter is currently under exam " ination.

Guard dogs The RAAF did not take police dogs to Vietnam. I understand Army donated two Labradors to families attached to an Embassy because of quarantine regulations and that Army is giving you a note about this.

The number of police dogs held by the RAAF as at 17 October 1974 was 155.

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DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE

Senator J. Mulvihill Chairman Senate Estimates Committee F Parliament House Canberra, A .C.T. 2600

P.O. Box 33, C anberra, A.C.T. 2600

DEFENCE VOTE 1974-75

On 31 October 1974 I forwarded responses to the majority of the Committee's questions in relation to the Defence Vote 1974-75. Attached are the answers to the questions on: (a) The amount of work directed to the Aircraft Industry by Defence, and

(b) further information on the question of guard dogs in Vietnam.

REG BISHOP Postmaster General and Minister representing Minister for Defence

The Defence Estimates for 1974~ 75 include amounts of$35.850m directed towards the aircraft industry. In addition some $12m is provided in the Department of Manufacturing Industry Estimates for Nomad aircraft other than Defence aircraft.

Offset work for Defence contractors in the aircraft industry amounts to some $4m in 1974 ~75.

Army office advise that tracker dogs not guard dogs were employed in Vietnam from 1967 to 1971. Due to Australian quarantine regulations it was impractical to repatriate these dogs to Australia; they were donated as pets to European families resident in Saigon.

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DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR AND IMMIGRATION

REPLIES TO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SOUGHT BY COMMITTEE

Question by Senator Durack (Hansard, page 247) Fees Paid to Casual Translators Fees set down by the Public Service Board are as follows:

Monday to Friday $

Duty performed wholly between 6.30 a.m. and 6.00 p.m. - I st hour or part thereof 8.83

- each additional hour or part thereof 5.30

subject to maximum daily payment of 35.34

Duty performed wholly between 6.00 p.m. and 6.30 a.m. - I st hour or part thereof 9.99

- each additional hour or part thereof 5.99

Higher rates are payable for work on weekends and public holidays. Where it is considered more suitable to calculate payment on the basis of the number of words translated, as is the case of the Translation Unit at Canberra, a scale of fees set down by the CSIRO is adopted. These vary from $3.00 to $9.00 per hundred words according to the complexity of the language and the type of material to be translated. For example the rates for French, German , Latin, Italian and Spanish vary from $3.00 to $3.75 per hundred words whereas the rates for Chinese and Japanese vary from $6.00 to $9.00 per hundred words.

Question by Senator Durack (Hansard page 247) Committee on Overseas Professional Qualifications

Factors which influence the need to establish expert panels include the extent to which the assessment of foreign qualifications is already being satisfactori ly handled in a profession , existing vacancies in the profession, the pressure of overseas inquiries in the profession , the capacity of the profession itself to undertake the assessment of qualifications (it is difficult for a small profession , for example, to find the financial

resources to support an assessment system or to find people within the profession acquainted with a wide range of countries), and the likelihood of profitable results.

Engineering is a profession in which there has been a large movement of people from other countries to Australia. However, as the profession has itself developed an effective national procedure for assessing overseas engineering qualifications there has not been a need for substantial COPQ involvement.

In medicine a lengthy and detailed study of the existing situation, both in Aus " tralia and overseas, has been a necessary precursor to the establishment of an expert panel. Assessment procedures in Britain, New Zealand and the U.S.A. have been carefully examined. Professor E. G. Saint, a Committee member and an eminent member of the medical profession in Australia has visited Britain and the U.S.A. and the Chairman of the New Zealand Medical Council has visited Australia. Negotiations

to establish an expert panel in medicine were in progress at the time of the Senate Committee hearing and this has now been achieved. The Committee has not considered it appropriate to set up an expert panel on the legal profession at this stage.

In addition to work on the professions in which expert panels have been estab " lished, the COPQ has taken action to facilitate the recognition of qualifications in

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other professions. For example, information booklets have been prepared for the professions of Agricultural Science, Occupational Therapy, Physics and Speech Therapy. To the extent that the Committee's resources permit, other panels will be estab " lished as the need arises .

Question by the Chairman (Hansard, page 249) Deportations

As at 30.6.74 (the expiry date for lodgment of applications) a total of 367 persons had come forward to regularise their status under the dispensation program. They comprised: Ship deserters . . 249

Stowaways 23

Overstayed visitors 45

Former students 27

Transients 3

Others . . 20

367

Greeks (126) and British (84) comprised the principal national groups and reflected the high incidence of ship desertions by them. Not all those who reported under the dispensation program were the subject of current deportation orders. A significant percentage had been here for many years and having regard to procedures then operating , deportation orders were not taken out.

Statistically it is not possible to relate those prohibited immigrants who reported under the dispensation program and against whom deportation order were held, to the 286 deportation orders recorded as having been revoked in the year 1973-1974. Some increase in the number of deportation orders revoked could be attributed to the dispensation program for the period 26.1. 74-30.6.74 but it is felt that the number would not be significant.

Question by Senator Durack (Hansard, p. 249) regarding publishing each month of NEAT statistics.

It is intended to publish NEAT statistics regularly.

Question by Senator Durack (Hansard, p. 250) regarding maximum capacity of the NEAT scheme.

The capacity of the scheme is controlled by labour market demands, availability of training facilities , and the numbers of people willing and capable of pursuing training as an option to the solution of their labour market difficulties. Each of these factors , and especially the first mentioned, is a variable and it is therefore impossible to estimate the maximum capacity of the scheme independently from the finance allocated for the purpose.

Question by Senator Cameron (Hansard, p. 251) regarding the drop-out rate in other schemes.

Up-to-date figures are not currently available for all schemes but figures for the financial year 1973-74 are as follows:

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Employment Training Scheme: Approved Dropped- Percentage

for out of dropped-

training training out

For wome n 4260 331 7∑8

For persons di splaced by redundancy 2623 123 4∑ 7

For persons with a history of substantial unemployment 2257 427 18∑ 9

Question by Senator Marriott (Hansard, p. 251) regarding use of book allowance funds.

U nder the schemes referred to by Senator Marriott , trainees did not draw amounts for books but were either issued with orders (when they could not afford a cash out " lay) or, on production of receipts , were reimbursed the cost of books purchased, where they were certified as essential for the course being undertaken.

Question by Senator Cameron (Hansard, p. 253) regarding a decrease in proposed overtime worked in the Public Service Arbitrator's office.

Since Determinati ons are issued on a day-to-day basis, as soon as possible following the expiration of the prescribed period, or the comp letion of agreements, they are typed on stencils , reproduced in roneoed form and distributed to all interested parties. This system provides the flexibility required to cope with the volume of Determinations issued.

For stock copies for sale, and copies to be bound in the Tribunal's permanent annual record (CPSAR) the Determination s were re-typed without the same degree of urgency required for the first strike. Reproduction was done by a proper printing process and the Determinations were published in pamphlet form using a good quality typeface. This naturally involved considerable time in the preparation of drafts , master production and in proof-reading.

Due to the great increase in the volume of Determination s issued last year, staff were required to work more overtime in the preparation of these pamphlets and it became obvious that the continuance of this system would necessitate an increase in staff and m achines. It was decided to adopt another system involving a slight reduction in the quality of the printed pamphlets, offset by a greatly reduced work requirement.

Master copies are produced direct from a roneoed copy by photographically reducing the pages to a size approximately that used in the previous process, resulting in an almost complete time saving. Although the qualit y of the present pamphlet is inferior to the more conventional process, it was acceptable to the Arbitrator , and since there was no question of the economics of the proposal, the new arrangement was introduced coming with the

issue of the first Determination in 1974.

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Estimates Committee F

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES CO MMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PR O CEEDINGS NO . 1

THURSDAY, 17 OCTOBER 1974

1. PRIVATE MEETING: The Committee met at 12.20 p.m.

2. APPOINTMENT OF , MEMBERSHIP AND REFERENCE TO ESTIMATES COMMITTEES: The Resolutions of the Senate of 1 October and 3 October 1974 relating to the appointment of Estimates Committees, membership of the Committee and the referral of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for 1974-75 to the Com "

mittees for examination and report were reported to the Committee.

3. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Marriott, Senator Mulvihill was elected Chairman of the Committee. Senator Mulvihill thereupon took the Chair.

4. ORDER OF CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED

EXPENDITURE 1974-75: Ordered- That the Committee consider the Estimates in the following order: Postmaster-General's Department, Department of Labor and Immigration, and Department of Defence.

5. PUBLIC MEETING :

STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN : The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending on 30 June 1975 and the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1975, and stated that, pursuant to the Order of the Senate of3 October 1974, the Committee would consider the following departmental estimates:

D ocument* Page Division

Department A m oun/

No .

$

A 87-88 400--406 Postmaster-General 's 18895000

B 20 9!0-9!4 Postmaster-General 's 39!42! 000

A !38-!42 600-6!9 Defence** !205!58000

D efence Re search and D evelopme nt Establish-ments (Manufacturing Industry)

A 68-69 325 - Administrative 64 706000

A 62-65 300.312 Labor and Immigration !07 466000

B !5-16 878-879 Labor and Immigration 40 863 000

" Document A-" Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending on 30 June 1975'. " Document B- 'Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1975'. " " Excluding those items under the control of the Department of Hou sing and Construction (division s 623, 625. 627) and the Department of Services and Property (divisio ns 629, 631 ).

6. Particula rs of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Postmaster-General's Department Appearing: Senator the Honourable R . Bishop, Postmaster-General, accompanied by the following officers :

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Mr G. P. Hud son

Mr D. M . Coleman

Mr J. E. Freeman

Mr L. D . Sebire

M r G. L. Brasier

Mr J. E. Carroll

Mr B. W. Byrnes

Treasury R epresentati ves:

Deputy Assistant Director-Gener al (Financial Planning and Managem ent Accounting), M anagement Services Division A ssistant Director-General, Telecommunica "

tions Division Senior Assistant Director-General (Work s Program Co-ordinat ion), Engineering D evelopme nt Division Princip al Engineer, N ational Broadcasting,

Engineering Support Services Division Controller Product Management , Postal Services Division C hief Finance Officer (Financial M anagem ent

Accounting), M anagement Services Division Con troller Com mercial Planning and Economic Studies, Telecommuni cations

Division.

Mr A . L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer Mr E. J. Flood, Finance Officer. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration : Divisions 400-406- Postmaster-Gen eral's Department (D ocument A)

Divisions 91 0-914- Postmaster-General's Department (Docum ent B)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Postm aster-General's D epartment.

7. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Labor and Immigration

Appearing : Senator the H onourable following officers:

MrS. J. D empsey

Mr D . M . H alpin

Mr J. E. Coo ley Mr T. T . McElroy Mr J. T. R yder

Treasury Representative s:

R . Bishop, Postma ster- G eneral, accompanied by the

First A ssistant Secretar y (Planning, Program and R eview Division) First Assistant Secretar y (Ma nagem ent and Secretari at) Assistant Secretary (Finance and Information) Director (Finance and G eneral Services) Senior Executive Officer (Finance and Office

Services).

Mr A . L. R ay, Senior Finance Officer Mr E. J. Flood, Finance O fficer. The Postmaster-General (Senator Bishop) mad e a statement to the Co mmittee on Estimates for the Department of Labor and Immi gration 1974-75. The C hairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

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Divisions 300-312- Department of Labor and Immigration (Document A) Divisions 878-879- Department of Labor and Immigration (Document B)

The Co mmittee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the D epartment of Labor and Immi gration.

8. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Defence Appearing :

Senator the Honourable R. Bishop, Postmaster-General, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr M . T. H yland

Mr M. . Woolley

Mr R . B. Smith Mr M. W . B. Smithies Mr. P. Jones

M r A. Sharpe Mr B. Crook Mr K. T. L yon

Brigadier (ret.) R. R oseblade Co lonel R. T. Jones

Mr P. McNamara

Mr C. J. Hill Mr T . Sullivan Mr P. Gerrans

Mr J. unn

Mr K . W. Major

Mr M. Madden

Mr R . D . M artin

Treasury R epresentativ es:

Acting First Assistant Secretary , Program Man agem ent and Defence Facilities A ssistant Secretary, Program Management Branch Chief Executive Officer, D efence Facilities Assistant Secretary, Defence Planning Assistant Secretar y (Administrative), Research

and D evelopment Controller , Research and D evelopm ent A ssistant Secretary , Technical Support Acting Assistant Secretary , Manpower Policy

Director-G eneral of Recruitin g Principal Staff Officer, Natural Disaster Or " ganisation Acting First Assistant Secretary , Finance

Material Assistant Secretary , Civil Industrial Assistant Secretary , Finance Acting Assistant Secretar y, N aval Technical

Services First Assistant Secretar y, Finance and Logistics First Assistant Secretar y, Establishments and Gen eral First Assistant Secretar y, Finance and Legis "

lation Princip al Executive Officer, Naval Personnel.

Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer Mr E. J. Flood, Finance Officer. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 600-619, 325- Department of Defence (Document A). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the D epartment of Defence.

9. ADJOURNMENT : The Committee adjourned at 9.39 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

10. ATTENDANCE: The following member s of the Committee were present: Senator Mulvihill (Chairman), and Senators Cameron, Durack, Lawrie, Mcintosh and M arriott (6). Senator Guilfoyle also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

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J. A . MULVIHILL Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO.2 WEDNESDAY, 30 OCTOBER 1974

I. MEETING: The Committee met at 7.32 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Mulvihill) took the Chair.

2. MINUTES: The Minutes of the meeting held on 17 October 1974 were confirmed on the motion of Senator Marriott.

3. DRAFT REPORT: The Chairman presented a Draft Report for consideration by the Committee. Resolved: That the Draft Report be agreed to, subject to the receipt by the Secretary to the Committee, before the Committee is required to report to the Senate on 12 November 1974, of all outstanding replies to questions seeking additional infor " mation.

4. ADJOURNMENT : The Committee adjourned at 8.47 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Mulvihill (Chairman), Senators Cameron, Durack, Lawrie, Mcintosh and Marriott.

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Confirmed

J. A. MULVIHILL Chairman

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE G

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE G

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Co mmittee G has the honour to present its Report to the Senate. I. On 3 October 1974, the Senate referred to the Committee the Estimates for the year 1974-75 relatin g to the following Departments: D epartment of Aboriginal Affairs

D epartment of Urban and Regional Development D epartment of Hou sing and Construction D epartment of Transport 2. The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received explanations

of them from the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, the Minister for the Media and the Minister for Repatriation and Compensation, and officers of the D epartments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information

of the Senate in connection with Appropriation Bill (No. I) 1974-75 and Appropriation Bill (No.2) 1974-75. 3. After the completion of the Committee hearings additional information was received in reply to questions asked by Senators and this is included as an

Append ix to the R eport. 4. The Co mmittee records its appreciation of the explanations provided by the Ministers and the officers of the various Departments who assisted during the examination.

12 November 1974

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J. B. KE EFF E

Chairman

Estimates Committee G

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE G

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO . I

TU ES DAY , 22 OCTOBER 1974

I. PRIVAT E M EETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m.

2. A PPOI TME T OF , REFERENC E TO , AND MEMBERSHIP OF ESTI "

MATES COMM ITTEES : The Resolutions of the Senate of 1 October and 3 October 1974 relating to the appointment of Estimates Committees, the reference to them of proposed expenditure for 1974-75 and the member ship of the Committees were reported.

3. ELECTIO OF C HAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Milliner , Senator K eeffe was elected Chairman of the Committee. Senator K eeff e thereupon took the Chair

4. P U BLIC MEETI G - STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman m ade

a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its exam " ination of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1975, and stated that, pursuant to the Resolution of the Senate on 3 October 1974, the Committee would consider the following departmental estimates:

D oCllllleJll* Page Dil'i sioll

D l'parrmelll A moun/

No.

$

A 10- 12 110- 111 Aboriginal A ffairs 69 809000

B 6 805-806 Aboriginal Affairs 41403000

A 135-137 592-598 U rban and R egional Developm ent. 14 292 000

B 28 971-973 Urban and Regional D evelopm ent. 143 965 000

A 56-61 285-292 H ousing and Construction 160 707 000

B 13-15 870-874 H ousing and Construction 273 76 1 000

D efence Research and D evelopm ent Establish-m ents (Mallu/ctc/urill g flldusliT)

A 69 326 - Buildings, W orks, Fittings and Furniture .. I 805000

A 69 327 - Repairs and M aintenance 900000

A 142 623 Buildings, Work s, Fittings and Furniture (Defence) 48 992000

A 142 625 R epairs and Maintenance (Defence) 34 252 000

A 142 627 H ousing for Servicemen-

Ad vances to States (D efence) 16109000

A 125-129 560-575 Transport 260 114000

B 25-26 960-964 Transport 96 572 000

* D ocum ent A - "Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending on 30 June 1975'. * D ocument B- ∑Particulars of Certain Proposed Ex penditur e in respect of the year ending on 30 June 1975".

Ordered- That consideration of the Estimates commence with the Estimates for the Department of Transport.

5. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Depar tme nt of Transport Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, accom " panied by the following officers :

Mr J. Spencer Assistant Secretary, Land Transport Policy

Division

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Mr I. Grigor

M r E . H . Ballard Mr G . Woodw ard

Mr D . O 'Brien

Mr J. Meehan

M y R. McCormack Mr R . Hogan

Treasury Officials: Mr F. V. Colvin

MrS. Woodley

A ssistant Secretary, Sea Transport Policy Division Controller (Finance), Surface Transport Group Assistant Secretary (Finance), Air Transport

Group Assistant Secretary , Air Transport Policy Division Secretary and Director of Finance, Australian

Coastal Shipping Commission Secretary, Commonwealth Bureau of Ro ads Assistant Secretary , Commonwe alth Railways

Chief Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division Senior Finance Officer , Accounting and Supply Division.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 560-575- Department of Transport (Document A) Divisions 960--964-Department of Transport (Document B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Transport.

6. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Aboriginal Affairs Appearing: Senator the Honourable J. L. Cavanagh, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs , accom " panied by the following officers:

Mr B. G . Dexter Mr L.A. J. Malone Mr D . J. O'Rourke Mr P.M. Mackenzie

Mr N.J. L. Jansz

Mr C. N. Perkins Mr P. J. Sullivan

Mr F. C. Thorburn

Dr P. J. Ucko Mr D. R. Sheppard

Treasury Officials: Mr F. Y. Colvin

MrS . Woodley

Secretary First Assistant Secretary, Operations Division Assistant Secretary, Program Branch Assistant Secretary, Policy Development and

Review Branch Assistant Secretary , Operations Management Branch Assistant Secretary , Liaison and Consultation Assistant Secretary, Management Services

Branch Assistant Director , Northern Territor y Division Principal, Institute of Aboriginal Studies Executive Officer, Institute of Aboriginal

Studies

Chief Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division

The Minister for Aboriginal Affairs (Senator Cavanagh) made a statement to the Committee on Estimates for the Department of Aboriginal Affairs 1974-75.

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The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration : Divisions 110-111- Department of Aboriginal Affairs (Document A) Divisions 805-806---Department of Aboriginal Affairs (Document B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Aboriginal Affairs.

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.07 p.m.

8. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Keeffe, Bonner, Gietzelt, Milliner, Rae and Sheil (6). Senators Jessop and Lawrie also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

Confirm ed

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J. B. KEEFFE Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE G

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO.2 THURSDAY , 31 OCTOBER 1974

I. MEETING: The Committee met at 12.11 p.m. The Chairman (Senator K eeffe) took the Chair.

2. POSTPONEMENT: Ordered- That consideration of the remaining Estimates commence with the Department of Housing and Construction.

3. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Housing and Construction Appearing :

Senator the Honourable D ouglas McClelland, Minister for the Media, accom-panied by the following officers :

Mr A. S. R eiher Mr K. J. R odda Mr A. J. Selleck

Mr J. L. Eman ual

Mr A. W. G. Miles

Mr W. D. H amilton Mr R. Bruce Brown

Treasury Officials: Mr F. V. Co lvin

MrS. Woodley

Secretary Deputy Secretary First Assistant Secretary, Welfare H ousing Division Assistant Secretary, D efence Service Hom es

Division Assistant Secretary , Works Assistant Secretary , Finance General Manager, Commonwealth Ho stels

Limited

Chief Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 285-292-Department of Housing and Construction (Document A) Divisions 870-874--Department of Housing and Construction (Document B) Divisions 326-327- Department of Manufacturing Industry (Document A) Divisions 623, 625 and 627- D epartment of Defence (Document A) The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the Department of Housing and Construction.

4. Particulars of proposed expenditure 1974-1975: Department of Urban and Regional Development Appearing : Senator the Honourable John Wheeldon, Minister for Repatriation and Co m " pensation, accompanied by the following officers:

M r R. B. Lansdown Secretary

Mr L. R. Killeen First Assistant Secretary. Management

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Mr P. White Mr K. A . Myers

Mr G. C. Shannon

M r K . J. C urtis

Mr C. G. Willcox M r D. W. H ain

Mr H . K. Coghlan Mr R. J. Greatorex Mr G. C. C raig Mr G. R . Andrew

TrC'aswor Officials: Mr F. V. Co lvin

MrS . Woodley

Acting Director, Finance and General Services Secretary and Manager, National Capital Development Commission Associate Commissioner, National Capital

Dev elopment Commission Acting Secretar y and Mana ger, National Capital D evelopment Co mmi ssion General M anager, Cities Co mmi ssion

First A ssistant Co mmi ssioner, Cities Co m-mi SS ion Associate Commissioner, C itie s Commission Chief Finance Officer, Cities Commission Albury-Wodonga Development Corporation Secretar y and Manager, Albury-Wodonga

Development Corporation

Chief Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 592-598- Department of Urban and Regional Development (Docu " ment A) Divisions 971-973- Department of Urban and Regional Development (Docu " ment B). The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the

Department of Urban and Regional Development. 5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 2.52 p.m. till a date and hour to be fixed.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Keeffe, Bonner, Gietzelt, Milliner, Rae and Sheil (6).

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J. B. KEEFFE Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE G

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS NO.3 TUESDAY, 12 NOVEMBER 1974

I. MEETING: The Committee met at 9.30 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Keeffe) took the Chair.

2. MINUTES: The Minutes of the previous meetings were confirmed on the motion of Senator Sheil.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman presented a Draft Report for the Committee's consideration . On the motion of Senator Milliner, the Draft Report was agreed to without amendment.

Ordered- That the Ministerial speeches and press statements supplied to the Committee concerning the Australian Shipbuilding Industry and the Australian Urban Passenger Train be not included in the Appendix to the Report.

4. ADJOURNMENT : The Committee adjourned at 9.45 a.m.

5. ATTENDANCE : The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Keeffe, Bonner, Milliner and Sheil (4).

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Chairman

Estimates Committee G

Appendix

PARLIAM ENT OF AUSTRALIA

MINISTER FOR ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS

M y Dear Senator,

Parliam ent H ouse Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 I Novembe r 1974

At the Estim ates Co mmittee G H earing on 22 October, during consideration of the D epartment of Transport estimates, the subject of air service subsidies wa s discussed. Senator Rae asked for more information about the termination of the Tasmanian Islands subsidy paid to Ansett Airlines until Decemb er 1973, particularl y as som e other subsidies were still being paid, being reduced on a progressive basis to be eliminated by 30 June 1977.

I hope the following will satisfy Senator Rae's inquiry. Firstl y, it is interesting to note that as far back as 1968 the previous Government decided that it was desirable to reduce the subsidy paid on the T asmanian Island services.

In July 1973, w hen the Australian Government considered a number of aspects of air service subsidies, it was known there were commuter operators w ho were willin g to take over the Ansett Airline s' Tasm anian Island services without subsidy. The Governme nt decided to ask Ansett Airlines to transfer all or part of its M e lbourne ~

King I sla nd ~L a unc esto n ~Fiind e r s Island service to a commu ter operator prior to 31 December 1973, or alternat ively to accept the withdrawal of subsidy from that date. A nsett Airlines was advised by letter in Aug ust 1973 of this position. T o put it into context, Ansett Airlines was informed at the same time that it had been decided, in principl e, to phase out developmental subsidy paym ents, other than for Co nnair operations which were the subject of a longer term contract w ith the Australian Government. Ansett Airlines was also informed that the Australian National Airlines

Com mission was to subm it to the Minister plans for the transfer of all or part of T.A.A. 's C hannel and Gulf Country services in Queensland to light aircraft operators , or for the termination of such services, any change being effective before 31 D ecember 1973. Advice was sought from Ansett A irlin es of its plans for the operation of its Tasm anian Island services.

Ansett Airlines replied to the letter in July 1974, advising that the Company had decided to cease operating its service between Launce s ton ~ King Island and La u nceston ~ Flinders Island on and from 15 July 1974. There had been inform al contact between

the D epartment and the airlin e in the meantime. The withdrawal date was revised from time to time and eventually became 21 October. Ansett Airlines has co-operated w ith the D epartment throughout this exercise to ensure that air links we re maintained during the period in which it had to w ithdraw a

Fokker Friendship aircraft , and also for the introduction of a comm uter operator. Executive Airline s Pty Ltd commenced operations in its own right on these routes, w ithout any break in continuity of service to the public, from 22 October 1974. Authority was granted to Executive Airlines after departmental officers had on the spot

discussions w ith local interests at Flinders Island and King Island. D epartmental liaison was maintained w ith the Tasm anian transport authoriti es. I might add that T.A.A. assisted the new operator by providing a handling service at Launceston and reservatio ns control from that centre.

Senator J. B . Keeffe The Chairman Senate Estimates Co mmittee G Parliam ent H ouse Can berra, A.C.T. 2600

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Yours sincerely, 1. L. CAVANAG H