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THE PARLIAMENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA 1970— Parliamentary Paper No. 251

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEES A, B, C, D and E

REPORTS TO THE SENATE

ON

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES 1 9 7 0 -7 1

Brought up and ordered to be printed 26 and 28 October 1970

COMMONWEALTH GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE CANBERRA: 1971

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Printed by Authority by the Government Printer of the Commonwealth of Australia

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CONTENTS

1. RESOLUTIONS OF THE SENATE— page

11 June 1970 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 1

19 August 1970 .. .. .. .. .. .. 3

2. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A— Report .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 8

Minutes of Proceedings 1970—· 17 September .. .. .. .. .. .. 13

13 October .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 16

20 October .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 19

22 October .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 22

27 October .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 25

3. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B— Report .. .. .. .. .. .. ■ · 32

Minutes of Proceedings 1970— 17 September .. .. .. .. .. .. 33

13 October .. .. .. .. .. .. · · 34

15 October .. .. .. .. .. .. ·· 36

20 October .. .. .. .. .. .. · · 38

22 October .. .. .. .. .. .. · · 40

27 October .. .. .. .. .. .. · · 42

4. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C— Report .. .. .. .. .. .. · · 48

Minutes of Proceedings 1970—-17 September .. .. .. .. . · · · 50

24 September .. .. .. .. .. · · 51

13 October .. .. .. .. .. .. · · 54

20 October .. .. .. .. .. . · · · 55

22 October .. .. .. .. .. .. · · 58

27 October .. .. .. .. .. .. · · 60

28 October .. .. .. .. .. .. · · 63

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5. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D— page

Report .. .. . . .. .. .. .. 68

Minutes of Proceedings 1970—

17 September .. .. .. .. .. .. 69

24 September .. .. .. .. .. .. 71

15 October .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 74

20 October .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 76

27 October .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 81

6. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E— Report .. ..

Minutes of Proceedings 1970— 17 September ..

24 September ..

15 October .. ..

20 October .. ..

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RESOLUTIONS OF THE SENATE

RESOLUTION PASSED ON 11 JUNE 1970 (1) Unless otherwise ordered, the annual Estimates, as contained in the Papers presenting the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure, shall on motion be referred for examination and report to five Committees, which are

appointed by this resolution. The Committees shall deal with the Depart­ mental Estimates as follows:

Estimates Committee A: Department of Supply Parliament Prime Minister’s Department

Department of the Cabinet Office Department of Trade and Industry Department of External Affairs Department of the Treasury

Department of Defence

Estimates Committee B: Department of Housing Department of Immigration Department of Social Services (including Aboriginal Affairs)

Department of Health Postmaster-General’s Department

Estimates Committee C: Department of Works (and Tourist Activities) Department of Labour and National Service Department of Education and Science

Attorney-General’s Department Department of External Territories

Estimates Committee D : Department of Civil Aviation Department of the Interior Department of National Development

Department of Shipping and Transport Department of Customs and Excise

Estimates Committee E: Department of Air Department of Primary Industry Department of the Army Department of the Navy

Repatriation Department

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(2) A report shall be presented to the Senate not later than the commence­ ment of the first session of 1971 as to the operation of the Committees and their administration, accommodation and staff requirements.

(3) Unless otherwise ordered, each Committee shall consist of eight Senators, comprising four Government Senators, three Opposition Senators, and one Senator from the minority groups, to be appointed by a subsequent resolution.

(4) Each Committee shall elect a Government member as Chairman.

(5) The Chairman may from time to time appoint another member of the Committee to be Deputy-Chairman and the member so appointed shall act as Chairman of the Committee at any time when the Chairman is not present at a meeting of the Committee.

(6) In the event of an equality of voting, the Chairman, or the Deputy-Chair­ man when acting as Chairman, shall have a casting vote.

(7) Three members of a Committee shall constitute a quorum.

(8) A Senator, though not a member of a Committee, may attend and partici­ pate in its deliberations, and question witnesses unless the Committee orders otherwise, but shall not vote.

(9) The Committees shall sit in open session, unless otherwise ordered, may sit during any adjournment or suspension of the Senate, and may adjourn from time to time.

(10) In considering the Estimates, the Chairman shall, without motion, call on divisions of expenditure in the order decided upon and declare the pro­ posed expenditure open for examination.

(11) The Committees may ask for explanations from Ministers of State in the Senate, or officers, relating to the items of proposed expenditure.

(12) The resolution referring the Estimates to the Committees may fix a day for the reporting of their proceedings to the Senate, by which day the final Reports of the Committees shall be brought up.

(13) The Report of a Committee shall be presented to the Senate by the Chair­ man and, if considered necessary, may propose the further consideration of any particular items. A reservation by any member of a Committee may be added to the Report.

(14) The Reports from the Committees shall be received by the Senate without debate and their consideration deferred until consideration of the Appro­ priation Bills.

(15) A Hansard report of Committee proceedings shall be circulated, in a manner similar to the daily Senate Hansard, as soon as practicable after each day’s proceedings.

(16) The foregoing provisions of this resolution, so far as they are inconsistent with the Standing Orders, shall have effect notwithstanding anything con­ tained in the Standing Orders.

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RESOLUTION PASSED ON 19 AUGUST 1970

That, with reference to the appointment of the five Estimates Committees A, B, C, D and E agreed to by the Senate on 11 June 1970, the Senate resolves:

(1) Each Committee shall consist of eight Senators, four to be appointed by the Leader of the Government in the Senate, three to be appointed by the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, one to be appointed by the Leader of the Australian Democratic Labor Party to each of four

of the said Committees, and one to be appointed by any minority group or groups or Independent or Independents to one of the said Committees.

(2) The particular Committees in respect of which the Australian Democratic Labor Party, or any minority group or groups or Independent or Inde­ pendents make appointments shall be determined by agreement between the Australian Democratic Labor Party and any minority group or groups

or Independent or Independents and, in the absence of agreement duly notified to the President, the question as to the representation on any particular Committee as between the Australian Democratic Labor Party and the minority group or groups or Independent or Independents shall be determined by the Senate. (3) Each Committee may proceed to the despatch of business notwithstand­

ing that all members have not been appointed and notwithstanding any vacancy. (4) A Committee shall not meet while the Senate is actually sitting, unless by special order of the Senate.

(5) The foregoing provisions of this resolution, so far as they are inconsistent with the Standing Orders, shall have effect notwithstanding anything con­ tained in the Standing Orders.

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

1970

Report and Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee

28 October 1970

S E N A T E E ST IM A T E S C O M M IT T E E A

M EM BERS

Senator Sir M agnus C orm ack, K .B.E. (Chairman)

Senator the H on. V. C. G air

Senator G. G eorges

Senator D. M cC lelland

Senator L. K. M urphy, Q.C.

Senator D. B. Scott

Senator J. P. Sim

Senator H . W . Y oung

D E P A R T M E N T A L E ST IM A T E S E X A M IN E D

(Minister: S enator the H on. Sir K enneth A nderson)

D o c u m e n t* P age

D iv isio n N o .

D e p a r tm e n t A m o u n t

A 117-120 7 2 0 -7 4 9 S u p p ly . . . . . . . .

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104,600,500

A 6 -9 101-109 P a rlia m e n t . . . . . . . . 3,753,000

B 5 800 P a rlia m e n t . . . . . . . . 20,400

A 7 3 -8 2 430-459+ P rim e M in iste r’s . . . . . . 45,773,000+

B 13 880 P rim e M in is te r’s . . . . . . 37,700

A 18-19 150 C a b in e t Office . . . . . . 255,000

A 9 2-95 520-530++ T ra d e a n d I n d u s try . . . . . . 40,030,000++

B 15 910 T ra d e a n d In d u s tr y . . . . . . 15,000

A 31-35 2 5 0 -2 5 2 E x te rn a l A ffairs . . . . . . 81,276,600

B 7 8 3 0 -8 3 2 E x te rn a l A ffairs . . . . . . 797,000

A 9 6 -9 9 5 4 0 -5 5 2 T re a s u ry . . . . . . . . 83,068,000

B 15 9 1 5 -9 1 7 T re a s u ry . . . . . . . . 13,530,000

A 100 560 A d v an ce to th e T re a s u r e r . . . . 20,000,000

B 16 920 A d v an ce to th e T re a s u r e r . . . . 20,000,000

A 107-108 6 0 0 -6 2 6 D efen ce . . . . . . . . 23,724,000

* D ocument A —‘Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971’.

* Document B— ‘Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 197Γ.

t Less $10,400,000—Division 430/3/08—Aboriginal Advancement, $502,000— Division 444—Office of Aboriginal Affairs, and $425,000—Division 446—A ustralian Institute of Aboriginal Affairs examined by Senate Estimates Committee B.

t f Less $2,350,000—Division 524—Australian Tourist Commission examined by Senate Estimates Committee C.

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E S T IM A T E S C O M M IT T E E A

R E P O R T T O T H E S E N A T E

E stim a te s C o m m ittee A h a s the h o n o u r to p re se n t its R e p o rt to th e S enate.

Introduction T h e estab lish m en t an d o p e ra tio n o f th e E stim ates C o m m itte e s m a rk s a n

im p o rta n t d ev elo p m en t in the C o m m itte e S ystem and the S e n a te ’s c o n sid e ra tio n of the A n n u a l E stim ates.

S ince F e d e ra tio n , th e y early a p p ro p ria tio n s hav e been c o n sid e re d b y th e Senate sitting as a C o m m ittee o f th e W hole S en ate. O n 11 Ju n e 1970, th e S e n a te resolved

to a d o p t a new p ro c e d u re w h ereb y th e A n n u a l E stim ates o r m o re c o rre c tly , as they are now d escrib ed , p a rtic u la rs of p ro p o se d e x p e n d itu re an d p a rtic u la rs o f p ro p o se d p ro v isio n fo r c e rta in e x p e n d itu re , w o u ld b e re fe rred to five e stim a te s co m m ittees

fo r ex am in atio n .

H isto rically , this n ew p ro c e d u re re p re se n ts the th ird stag e in th e S e n a te ’s

d ev elo p m en t o f a n effective m e th o d of b u d g e ta ry exam ination.

P rio r to th e 1960s, S enate p ra c tic e w as to aw ait the re c e ip t of th e A p p ro p ria ­

tion B ills fro m th e H o u se o f R e p re se n ta tiv e s b efo re exam ining th e d etails of the

D e p a rtm e n ta l votes. I t h a d its g en eral d e b a te o n th e B udget p ro p o sa ls early in the

B u d g et session on th e m o tio n ‘T h a t the B u d g e t P ap ers be p rin te d ’, b u t it w as only

a fte r th e A p p ro p ria tio n B ills h a d been re ceiv ed fro m the H o u se o f R e p re se n ta tiv e s, an d th e first an d seco n d re a d in g d eb ates w ere concluded, th a t th e S e n a te ex am in ed th e a c tu a l item s o f p ro p o se d e x p e n d itu re in C o m m ittee of th e W h o le. I t w as th e n

u su ally v ery late in th e B u d g e t session, a n d this, com bined w ith th e seem ingly

in e v itab le en d o f session ru sh o f legislation, m e a n t th a t the S en ate w as alw ays u n d e r ex trem e p ressu re to co n clu d e its bu sin ess an d , u n d e r such p re ssu re , th e e x a m in a tio n o f th e B udget p a rtic u la rs w as p e rh a p s n o t alw ays as d etailed a n d effective as it

co u ld h a v e been.

In 1961, th e S en ate o v ercam e th e d e la y in considering th e d etails o f p ro p o se d

ex p e n d itu re b y th e p ro c e d u re of co n sid erin g th e m in C o m m ittee o f th e W h o le o n

a m o tio n to ‘tak e n o te o f th e p ro p o se d e x p e n d itu re ’, w hich w as m o v e d a fte r th e

g en eral d eb ate o n th e B u d g et P a p e rs h a d b e e n concluded an d b e fo re th e A p p ro ­

p ria tio n Bills w ere receiv ed fro m th e H o u s e o f R ep resen tativ es. T h is p ro c e d u re

w as a co n sid erab le im p ro v e m e n t on th e e a rlie r p ractice, as, b y th e tim e th e Senate

received th e A p p ro p ria tio n Bills, it h a d n o rm a lly exam ined the m a jo r p a rt of th e

d etailed e x p en d itu re, a n d very little d e b a te , if any, w as n e c e ssa ry d u rin g the

C o m m ittee of the W h o le stage of the p assag e of the Bills.

T h e p u rp o se of th e new p ro c e d u re w h ich o p e ra te d this y e a r w as to e n ab le the

E stim a te s to be even m o re th o ro u g h ly ex am in ed . In a d d itio n to th e responsible

S en ate M inister, D e p a rtm e n ta l O fficers also a tten d ed C o m m ittee m eetings, and b o th M in iste r and, th ro u g h the M in iste r, O fficers w ere ask ed fo r ex p lan atio n s

relatin g to item s of p ro p o se d ex p en d itu re.

At its initial meeting, it was determined that, as far as possible, the procedure of the Committee of the Whole would be followed in the proceedings of the Com­ mittee; a decision which proved to be quite satisfactory for the Committee’s purposes.

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I n a d d itio n to C o m m itte e M e m b e rs, o th er S e n a to rs w ere entitled to a tte n d and p a rtic ip a te in th e p ro c e e d in g s o f th e C om m ittee. T h is facility w as ta k e n ad v an tag e o f b y n u m e ro u s S en ato rs, a n d p ro v e d very u sefu l a n d , in som e cases, co n sid erab ly assisted th e C o m m itte e ’s in q u irie s.

G e n e ra lly , S en ato rs fo llo w e d th e ir ow n p a rtic u la r lin e of q u e stio n in g b u t, over all, it a p p e a rs fro m th e p ro c e e d in g s th a t the m a tte rs w h ic h a ttra c te d m o st atten tio n w ere—

( a ) P ro v isio n fo r any new policies, p a rtic u la rly th o se n o t a u th o rise d by special leg islatio n ;

( b ) Significant v a ria tio n s, u p o r dow n, in any votes as c o m p a re d w ith the

p re v io u s y ear;

( c ) M a tte rs re fe rre d to in R e p o rts an d P a p e rs ta b le d in th e S en ate w hich h a d

a b e a rin g o n th e ite m s u n d e r ex am in atio n ;

( d ) T h e fo rm of th e E stim a te s, p a rtic u la rly w ith re sp e c t to th e p r o p e r division

o f ex p e n d itu re fo r the o rd in a ry a n n u a l services of th e G o v e rn m e n t and

e x p e n d itu re w h ich w as n o t fo r th e o rd in a ry a n n u a l services, in o rd e r to

sa fe g u a rd th e S e n a te ’s co n stitu tio n a l po w ers of am en d m en t.

T h e p ro ceed in g s w ere ta p e -re c o rd e d fo r th e p u rp o se o f p ro d u c in g a daily

Hansard re p o rt w hich w as d istrib u te d in th e sam e m a n n e r as th e daily Senate

Hansard.

T h e C o m m itte e believes th a t th e C o m m itte e ’s existence h a s b e e n com pletely justified a n d th a t th e E stim a te s h av e, in fa c t, b e e n m o re th o ro u g h ly ex am ined

th a n ev e r b efo re.

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The Estimates O n 17 S ep tem b er 1 9 7 0 , th e S enate re fe rre d to the C o m m itte e fo r e x a m in a tio n

an d re p o rt th e P a rtic u la rs o f P ro p o se d E x p e n d itu re an d the P a rtic u la rs of P ro p o se d P ro v isio n fo r C e rta in E x p e n d itu re fo r th e y e a r 1970-71 in re la tio n to D e p a rtm e n ta l E stim a te s (in acc o rd a n ce w ith th e R e so lu tio n o f the Senate o f 11 J u n e 1 9 7 0 ) a s

fo llo w s:

D ocum ent* * Page Division No.

Department

A 117-120 720-749 Supply . . .. .. . .

A 6-9 101-109 Parliam ent .. .. .. . .

B 5 800 Parliament .. .. .. ..

A 73-82 430-459+ Prime M inister’s .. . . ..

B 13 880 Prime M inister’s .. .. . .

A 18-19 150 Cabinet Office .. . . . .

A 92-95 520-530ff Trade and Industry .. .. ..

B 15 910 Trade and Industry .. .. ..

A 31-35 250-252 External Affairs .. .. ..

B 7 830-832 External Affairs .. .. ..

A 96-99 540-552 Treasury .. .. .. ..

B 15 915-917 Treasury . . .. .. . .

A ICO 560 Advance to the Treasurer .. . .

B 16 920 Advance to the Treasurer .. . .

A 107-108 600-626 Defence .. .. .. . .

A m o u n t

104,600,500 3,753,000 20,400 4 5 ,7 7 3 ,0 0 0 t

37,700 255.000 4 0 ,0 3 0 .0 0 0 + f 15.000

81,276,600 797.000 83.068.000 13.530.000 20,000,000 20,000.000 23.724.000

* D o c u m e n t A — ‘P a rtic u la rs o f P ro p o s e d E x p e n d itu re f o r th e Service o f th e Y e a r e n d in g 30 J u n e

197Γ .

* D o c u m e n t B— ‘P a rtic u la rs o f P ro p o s e d P ro v is io n fo r C e rta in E x p e n d itu re in re sp e c t o f th e y e a r

e n d in g 30 J u n e 1971’.

t L ess $10,400,000— D iv isio n 4 3 0 /3 /0 8 — A b o rig in a l A d v an ce m e n t, $502,000— D iv isio n 444— Office o f A b o rig in a l A ffairs, an d $425,000— D iv isio n 446— A u s tra lia n In s titu te o f A b o rig in al A ffairs, e x a m in e d by S en ate E stim a te s C o m m itte e B.

t t L ess $2,350.000— D iv isio n 524— A u s tra lia n T o u ris t C o m m issio n , e x a m in e d b y S en ate E stim a te s C o m m itte e C .

T h e C o m m ittee h as e x a m in e d these E stim a te s an d has received c o n sid e re d ex p la n a ­ tions o f them fro m th e M in iste r fo r S up p ly an d L e a d e r of the G o v e rn m e n t in the

S en ate (S e n a to r th e H o n . S ir K en n eth A n d e rs o n ) and officers o f th e D e p a rtm e n ts co ncerned.

In the m ain, the ex p lan atio n s receiv ed fro m the M in ister a n d d e p a rtm e n ta l

officers w ere satisfacto ry to th e C o m m ittee. H ow ever, the C o m m itte e w ishes to

re p o rt som e aspects w hich it believes sh o u ld be b ro u g h t to th e G o v e rn m e n t’s

a tte n tio n fo r fu rth e r c o n sid e ra tio n p rio r to th e d rafting o f fu tu re e stim ates fo r

c e rta in d ep artm en ts. T h e se are as follow s:

Prime Minister’s Department— Division 431-1-02— Assistance for the Arts— National Organisations A new description should be found for the item ‘National Organisations’. The term of expression used is misleading as organisations other than national bodies

are also included.

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Division 434— Ministers of State, Leaders of the Opposition and Parliamentary Parties and Staffs

T h e full tra d itio n a l s ta tu to ry fo rm of d e sc rip tio n sh o u ld b e u se d in all referen ces to th e L e a d e r of th e O p p o sitio n in th e H o u se o f R e p re se n ta tiv e s an d the L e a d e r

o f th e O p p o sitio n in th e S e n a te . T h e use of th e w o rd s ‘L e a d e r of th e O p p o sitio n ’

c a n le a d b o th to e m b a rra s s m e n t a n d confusion.

Division 436— High Commissioner’s Office— United Kingdom T h e Ite m of e x p e n d itu re fo r the Office of H igh C o m m issio n er in L o n d o n

a p p e a rs to b e to o large w h e n c o m p a re d w ith th e a m o u n t a p p ro p ria te d fo r o th er

em bassies, p a rtic u la rly A s ia n em b assies, w hich a re b eco m in g in creasin g ly m ore im p o rta n t to A u stralia.

Department of Trade and Industry—

Division 522— Tariff Board

C o n c e rn w as e x p ressed a t th e delays in co m p letin g a n d re p o rtin g o n referen ces by th e T ariff B o ard .

C o n c e rn w as also ex p re sse d in re la tio n to te m p o ra ry duties. O n ce the Special

A d visory A u th o rity h a s a p p lie d te m p o ra ry d u ties, th ey rem ain in fo rc e u n til such

tim e as th e T ariff B o a rd h a s re p o rte d on th e in d u stry . T his does n o t allow tem ­

p o ra ry d u tie s to b e lifted ev en th o u g h the in d u stry m ay no lo n g e r re q u ire eith er

p ro te c tio n o r p ro te c tio n a t th e s a m e level.

Division 526— Australian Industrial Research and Development Grants Board

C o n c e rn w as ex p ressed by th e C o m m ittee of the c o n tro l of e x p e n d itu re under

the In d u stria l R e search a n d D ev elo p m en t G ra n ts A ct. A tte n tio n is d ra w n to the

o b se rv a tio n s of the C o m m ittee ap p e a rin g on pages 551 to 55 7 of S en ate E stim ates C o m m itte e A Hansard of 22 O c to b e r 1970.

M a n y o th e r m a tte rs of co n c e rn in relatio n to th e E stim a te s w e re e x p ressed by

C o m m itte e m em b ers b u t th ese are all detailed in th e Hansard r e p o rt of th e C o m ­ m itte e ’s p ro ceed in g s an d , accordingly, the C o m m ittee does n o t a tte m p t to record th e m all in its re p o rt. B u t th e C o m m ittee does w ish to m a k e o b se rv a tio n s o n the

follow ing p ro c e d u ra l m a tte rs.

T h e C o m m itte e c o n sid e rs th a t ex p lan ato ry n o tes re la tin g to th e E stim ates

sh o u ld b e m a d e available to th e C o m m ittee at le a st o n e w eek p rio r to the C om ­

m itte e ’s co n sid e ra tio n of th e E stim a te s of a D e p a rtm e n t.

T h e C o m m itte e also c o n sid e rs th a t it is essen tial th a t a firm tim etab le for

E stim a te s C o m m itte e s’ h e a rin g s b e arran g ed e a rly d u rin g the B u d g e t sittings of

th e S enate.

I t is also im p o rta n t th a t tim e fo r d elib erativ e sessions b e p ro v id ed each day

of a C o m m itte e m eeting to e n ab le an assessm ent to b e m ade of th e inform ation

an d e x p la n a tio n s o b ta in e d by th e C om m ittee. T h is w as n o t possible d u rin g the

p re se n t sittings of th e C o m m ittee due to th e lim ita tio n of tim e av ailable fo r the

e x a m in a tio n of th e E stim a te s an d th e absence o f an y firm tim etable.

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T h e C o m m ittee co m m en d s the n ew system of ex am in in g th e E stim a te s. I t is

satisfied th a t th e E stim a te s C o m m ittee e n a b le s S enators to p ro b e a n d o b ta in fa r

m o re in fo rm a tio n fro m th e M in iste r a n d d e p a rtm e n ta l officers th a n is possib le

in p ra c tic e in th e C o m m itte e o f th e W h o le.

T h e C o m m ittee re c o rd s its a p p re c ia tio n to th e M in ister a n d th e m a n y d e p a rt­

m e n ta l officers w ho assisted him in fu rn ish in g in fo rm atio n to th e C o m m itte e . T h e ir p re se n c e c o n trib u te d in n o sm all w ay to th e th o ro u g h e x a m in a tio n o f th e

E stim a te s.

M A G N U S C O R M A C K

Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 1

THURSDAY, 17 SEPTEMBER 1970 1. M E E T IN G : T he C o m m itte e m e t a t 4 .3 0 p.m .

2. A P P O IN T M E N T A N D M E M B E R S H IP O F E S T IM A T E S C O M M IT T E E S : T h e R e so lu tio n s of th e S en ate o f 11 Ju n e an d 19 A u g u st 1 9 7 0 re la tin g to the

e sta b lish m e n t and m e m b e rsh ip o f the E stim a te s C o m m ittees w e re re p o rte d to th e C o m m ittee.

3. M E M B E R S O F T H E C O M M IT T E E :

T h e e n try in th e J o u rn a ls of th e Senate of 16 S ep tem b er 1 9 7 0 re c o rd in g the

a p p o in tm e n t of the follow ing m em bers to E stim a te s C o m m itte e A w as

re p o rte d :

S en ato rs Sir M ag n u s C o rm a c k , G air, G eo rg es, M cC lellan d , M u rp h y , D . B.

S cott, Sim an d Y o u n g .

4. E L E C T IO N O F C H A IR M A N : O n the m o tio n of S en ato r Sim , S e n a to r Sir

M ag n u s C o rm a c k w as elected C h a irm a n of th e C o m m ittee.

Senator Sir Magnus Cormack thereupon took the Chair

5. A P P O IN T M E N T O F D E P U T Y -C H A IR M A N : T h e C h a irm a n , in acco rd an ce w ith th e term s of th e C o m m itte e ’s R e so lu tio n o f A p p o in tm e n t, ap p o in ted

S e n a to r M u rp h y as D e p u ty -C h a irm a n of th e C o m m ittee.

6. P R O C E D U R E O F T H E C O M M IT T E E : T h e C h a irm a n in fo rm e d th e C o m ­

m itte e th a t, as fa r as p o ssib le, th e practice a n d p ro c e d u re of th e S en ate w ould

b e follow ed in the c o n d u c t of th e p roceedings of th e C o m m ittee.

7. C O N S ID E R A T IO N O F P A R T IC U L A R S O F P R O P O S E D E X P E N D IT U R E F O R T H E D E P A R T M E N T O F S U P P L Y : Appearing: S e n a to r th e H o n . Sir K e n n e th A n d erso n , M in iste r fo r Supply, a c c o m p a n ied by M r D . J . O ’C o n n o r, D e p u ty S ecretary , M a n a g e m e n t and S upply, D e p a rtm e n t of S upply.

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Pursuant to the Order of Reference of the Senate this day the Committee com­ menced consideration of the particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Ser­ vice of the year ending 30 June 1971, and the Particulars of Proposed Pro­ vision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1971 relating to the following departmental estimates:

D o c u m e n t* P age

D iv isio n N o .

D e p a rtm e n t A m o u n t

A 117-120 72 0 -7 4 9 S u p p ly . . . . . . . .

$

104,600,500

A 6 -9 101-109 P a r lia m e n t . . . . . . . . 3,753,000

B 5 800 P a r lia m e n t . . . . . . . . 20,400

A 7 3 -8 2 4 3 0 -4 5 9 1 P rim e M in is te r’s . . . . . . 45,773,0001

B 13 880 P rim e M in is te r’s . . . . . . 37,700

A 18-19 150 C a b in e t Office . . . . . . 255,000

A 9 2 -9 5 5 2 0 - 5 3 0 f t T ra d e a n d I n d u s try . . . . . . 40,0 3 0 ,0 0 0 + t

B 15 910 T ra d e a n d In d u s tr y . . . . . . 15,000

A 3 1-35 2 5 0 -2 5 2 E x te rn a l A ffairs . . . . . . 81,276,600

B 7 8 3 0 -8 3 2 E x te rn a l A ffairs . . . . . . 797,000

A 9 6 -9 9 5 4 0 -5 5 2 T re a s u ry . . . . . . . . 83,068,000

B 15 9 15-917 T re a s u ry . . . . . . . . 13,530,000

A 100 560 A d v a n c e to th e T re a su re r . . . . 20,000,000

B 16 920 A d v a n c e to ih e T reasu rer . . . . 20,000.000

A 107-108 60 0 -6 2 6 D efen ce . . . . . . . . j 23,724,000

* Document A—‘Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1971’. * Document B—‘Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1971’. t Less $10,400,000—Division 430/3/08—Aboriginal Advancement,

$502,000—Division 444— Office of Aboriginal Affairs, and $425,000—Division 446—Australian Institute of Aboriginal Affairs, examined by Senate Estimates Committee B. tt Less $2,350,000—Division 524—Australian Tourist Commission, examined by Senate Estimates Committee C.

T h e C h a irm a n called o n D ivisions 7 2 0 -7 4 9 , D e p a rtm e n t of Supply,

$ 1 0 4 ,6 0 0 ,5 0 0 .

S e n a to r Sir K e n n e th A n d e rso n m a d e a sh o rt statem en t to th e C o m m itte e on

the activities of his D e p a rtm e n t, a n d su b m itte d the follow ing P a p e r: D e p a rm e n t of Supply— E stim a te s 1 9 7 0 -7 1 — E x p la n a to ry N o te s.

D iscussion en su ed o n th e D e p a rtm e n t of Supply generally.

T h e follow ing p a rtic u la rs of p ro p o se d ex p en d itu re w ere c o n sid e re d : D ivision 7 2 0 — A d m in istra tiv e :

1.— Salaries a n d P ay m en ts in th e n a tu re of Salary:

0 1 . Salaries and allowances . . . . . .

$

1 1 ,8 0 1 ,0 0 0

0 2 . Overtime . . . . . . . . 2 3 0 , 0 0 0

0 3 . Secretary— Salary ( $ 1 9 , 5 0 0 ) and allowance

( $ 1 , 0 0 0 ) . . . . . . . . 2 0 , 5 0 0

-Administrative Expenses: 0 1 . Travelling and subsistence . . . . . . 7 7 2 , 5 0 0

0 2 . Office requisites and equipment . . . . 1 5 0 ,0 0 0

0 3 . Postage, telegrams and telephone services . . 6 7 0 , 0 0 0

0 4 . Freight, cartage and packing . . . . 1 0 6 ,0 0 0

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Item 05. Training of personnel, $170,000, of sub-division 2 of Division 720 being considered by the Committee.

A n d it b ein g 6 p .m .

8. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

9. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present:

Senators Sir Magnus Cormack, Gair, Georges, McClelland, Murphy, D. B. Scott, Sim and Young (8 ) .

Senator Greenwood also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CONFIRMED

MAGNUS CORMACK

C h a irm a n

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 2 TUESDAY, 13 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.30 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Sir Magnus Cormack) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF SUPPLY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply, accompanied by Mr D. J. O’Connor, Deputy Secretary, Management and Supply, Department of Supply.

Also in Attendance: Mr H. J. Ryan, First Assistant Secretary, Management and Services Division; Mr K. McKnown, Assistant Secretary, Finance and Management Services Division; Mr J. Mason, Senior Inspector Administration; Mr T. M. McLaughlin, Finance Officer, Administration; Mr W. N. Wensley, Assistant Secretary, Administration; Mr D. M. Hogan, Clerk, Administration;

and Mr McAleer, Clerk, Administration.

Papers: Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson submitted the following papers: Department of Supply— Estimates 1970-71— Explanatory Notes. (To be substituted for document submitted to the Committee on 17 September 1970.)

Antarctica— Exploitation of Mineral Resources— Reply to Question by Senator Young on Thursday, 17 September 1970.

Weather Forecasting and Satellites— Reply to Question by Senator Young on Thursday, 17 September 1970.

Defence Purchasing Policy and Procedures—Reply to Questions by Senator McClelland and Senator Murphy on Thursday, 17 September 1970.

Civil Applications of Space Research and Co-operation with United States Authorities— Replies to Question by Senator Murphy on Thursday, 17 September 1970.

Ordered: That the Papers be considered at later hour of the day. Consideration resumed of Divisions 720-749, Department of Supply, $104,600,500 (Document A ).

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The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

2.— Administrative Expenses—· Division 720— Administrative $

05. Training of Personnel . . . . . . 170,000

06. Disposals expenses . . . . . . 209,000

07. Advertising . . . . . . . . 91,000

08. Office services . . . . . . . . 98,000

09. Patent fees . . . . . . . . 40,000

10. Incidental and other expenditure . . . . 286,000

Total sub-division 2 Items 1 to 10 . . . . 2,892,000

Total Division 720 . . . . . . 14,944,000

D i v i s i o n 7 2 2 — G o v e r n m e n t F a c t o r i e s —

Maintenance of Production Capacity . . . .

Division 724— Storage Services . . . . . .

Division 727— Antarctic Division . . . . . .

Division 729— Defence Research and Development Establish­ ments . . . . . . . . . . . .

Division 730— Working Capital Advances . . . .

Division 732— Reserve Stocks . . . . . .

Division 734— Vehicles and Equipment . . . .

Division 735— Furniture Removals and Storage . . . .

Division 73 7— Machinery and Plant . . . . . .

Division 738— Production Development . . . ■

Division 740— Building, Works, Fittings and Furniture . . Division 741— Repairs and Maintenance . . · ■

3.425.000 3.054.000 2.640.000

43,335,000 298.000 1.290.000 2.945.000 4.988.000

9.763.000 5.260.000 170.000 525.000

The following particulars of proposed expenditure under the control of the Department of the Interior were considered together: $ Division 745— Acquisition of Sites and Buildings · · 539,500

Division 746—Rent . . . . . . · ■ 674,000

The following particulars of proposed expenditure under the control of the Department of Works were considered: S Division 748— Building, Works, Fittings and Furniture . . 7,250,000

Division 749— Repairs and Maintenance · · · · 3,500,000

The Committee proceeded to consider the Papers submitted by Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson at the commencement of the sitting.

Ordered— That the Replies submitted by the Minister to Questions asked by Members of the Committee on 17 September 1970 be incorporated in the Hansard record of the Committee’s proceedings.

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After discussion, the Minister undertook to table in the Senate the following

Paper— Department of Supply— Estimates 1970-71— Explanatory Notes.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR THE PARLIAMENT: A p p e a r in g : Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply.

A ls o in A tte n d a n c e : Mr M. W. Rosser, Administrative Officer, Department of

the Senate; Mr J. R. Odgers, Clerk of the Senate; Mr F. Temperly, Adminis­ trative Officer, Parliamentary Reporting Staff; Mr M. J. Brudenall, Chief Reference Librarian, Parliamentary Library; Mr H. Knight, Administrative Officer, Parliamentary Library; Mr R. W. Hillyer, Secretary, Joint House Department; Mr R. Burrell, Administrative Officer, Joint House Department.

$

The Chairman called on Divisions 101-109, Parliament . . 3,753,000 (Document A), and Division 800, Parliament . . . . 20,400

(Document B).

The following particulars of proposed expenditure and particulars of proposed provision for certain expenditure were considered: $ Division 101— Senate . . . . . . . . . . 658,000

Division 102— House of Representatives . . . . . . 951,000

Division 103— Parliamentary Reporting Staff, $770,000, being considered by the Committee.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at ten minutes to ten p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Sir Magnus Cormack, Gair, Georges, McClelland, Murphy, D. B. Scott, Sim and Young (8). Senators Webster and Wriedt also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CONFIRMED

MAGNUS CORMACK C h a irm a n

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 3

TUESDAY, 20 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.25 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Sir Magnus Cormack) took the Chair.

3 . CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR THE PARLIAMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply.

Also in Attendance: Mr W. J. Bridgman, Principal Parliamentary Reporter; Mr F. Temperley, Administrative Officer, Parliamentary Reporting Staff; Mr M. J. Brudenall, Chief Reference Librarian, Parliamentary Library; Mr H. Knight, Administrative Officer, Parliamentary Library; Mr R. W. Hillyer,

Secretary, Joint House Department; Mr R. Burrell, Administrative Officer, Joint House Department. Consideration resumed of: $

Divisions 101-109 Parliament (Document A ) . . . . 3,753,000

Division 800 Joint House Department— Capital Works and Services (Document B) . . . . . . . . 20,400

Division 103— Parliamentary Reporting Staff, $770,000 (Document A ), was further considered.

Papers: Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson, submitted the following papers: Parliamentary Library— Estimates of Expenditure for the year ended 30 June 1971— Explanations. Joint House Department— Explanations on Estimates for 1970-71— Divi­

sions 105, 108 and 109. Joint House Department— Proposed Display Area— Parliament House.

Ordered: That the papers submitted by the Minister be incorporated in the Hansard record of the Committee’s proceedings.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure and particulars of proposed provision for certain expenditure were considered. Document A S

Division 104— Library . . . . . . . . 544,000

Division 105— Joint House Department . . - - 752,000

Division 108— Parliamentary Standing Committee of Public Works . . . . . . . . . . 37.000

Division 109— Joint Committee of Public Accounts . . 41,000

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Document B

Division 800— Joint House Department— Capital Works and Services . . . . . . . . . . 20,400

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AN D PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR THE PRIME MINISTER’S DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply and

Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, Minister for Air.

Also in Attendance: Prime Minister’s Department: Mr R. N. Townsend, Deputy Secretary; Mr G. J. Yeend, First Assistant Secretary, Parliamentary and Govern­ ment Division; Mr J. D. Le Gassick, Assistant Secretary, Education

and Arts Branch; Mr J. G. Hinton, Acting Director, Establishments and Finance Branch; Mr W. M. Weidner, Finance Officer, Establish­ ments and Finance Branch; Dr Jean Battersby, Executive Officer, Aus­ tralian Council for the Arts; Mr R. A. Gamble, Accountant, Australian Council for the Arts. National Library: Mr C. A. Burmester, Assistant National Librarian; Mr W. D. Richardson, Canberra Public Librarian; Mr G. E. Clark, Director, Establishments and Finance. Public Service Board: Mr F. C. Nordeck, First Assistant Commissioner, Conditions and General Division; Mr Η. B. MacDonald, Acting Sec­ retary; Mr R. N. Allen, Senior Inspector, Secretary’s Branch. Auditor-General’s Office: Mr J. K. Lawrence, First Assistant Auditor- General, (Policy and Special Investigation); Mr D. W. Burdett, Chief Establishments Officer.

The Chairman called on:

$

Divisions 430-459 Prime Minister’s Dept (Document A) . . 45,773,000 Division 880— Prime Minister’s Dept. Capital Works and Services (Document B ) . . . . . . · ■ 37,000

Paper: Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson submitted the following paper: Prime Minister’s Department— Information for Senate Estimates Committee September 1970.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $ Division 430— Administrative . . . . . . 15,197,500

Division 431— Assistance for the Arts . . . . 4,322,000

Division 432— Conveyance of Governor-General, Ministers of State and Others by R.A.A.F. and Civil Aviation Aircraft . . . . . . · · ■ · 1,015,000

Division 434— Ministers of State, Leaders of the Opposition and Parliamentary Parties and Staff . . . . 761,000

Division 436— High Commissioner’s Office, United Kingdom, being considered by the Committee . . . . 5,361,000

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4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at five minutes to ten p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Sir Magnus Cormack, Georges, McClelland, Murphy and Young.

(5).

CONFIRMED

MAGNUS CORMACK

Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 4 THURSDAY, 22 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m. the Chairman (Senator Sir Magnus Cormack) took the chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR THE PRIME MINISTER’S DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply.

Also in Attendance:

Prime Minister’s Department: Mr R. N. Townsend, Deputy Secretary; Mr G. J. Yeend, First Assistant Secretary, Parliamentary and Government Division; Mr J. D. Le Gassick, Assistant Secretary, Education and Arts Branch; Mr J. G. Hinton, Acting Director, Establishments and Finance

Branch; Mr W. N. Weidner, Finance Officer, Establishments and Finance Branch.

National Library: Mr C. A. Burmester, Assistant National Librarian; Mr W. D. Richardson, Canberra Public Librarian; Mr G. E. Clark, Director, Establishments and Finance.

Public Service Board: Mr F. C. Nordeck, First Assistant Commissioner, Conditions and General Division; Mr Η. B. MacDonald, Acting Secretary; Mr R. N. Allen, Senior Inspector, Secretary’s Branch.

Auditor-General’s Office: Mr J. K. Lawrence, First Assistant Auditor- General (Policy and Special Investigations); Mr W. H. Scott, Acting First Assistant Auditor-General (Departmental Audits and Inspections).

Consideration resumed of: Division 430-459, Prime Minister’s Department (Document A) $45,773,000. Division 880—-Prime Minister’s Department Capital Works and Services

(Document B ) $37,700. Division 436— High Commissioner’s Office, United Kingdom, $5,361,000 (Document A ), was further considered.

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The following particulars of proposed expenditure and particulars of proposed provision for certain expenditure were considered.

Document A

$

Division 438— Commonwealth Archives Office . . . . 607,000

Division 440— Official Establishments . . . . . . 514,000

Division 442— Governor-General’s Office . . . . 115,000

Division 448— National Library of Australia . . . . 4,331,000

Division 450— Commonwealth Grants Commission . . 94,000

Division 454— Auditor-General’s Office . . . . . . 3,544,000

Division 456— Public Service Board . . . . . . 5,530,000

Division 459— Australian Security Intelligence Organisation . . 3,454,000

Document B Division 880— Capital Works and Services . . . . 37,700

Papers: Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson submitted the following papers: Division 448— National Library of Australia— Estimates 1970-71-— Explanations. Answers to questions raised in the Committee on Tuesday, 20 October 1970.

Ordered: That the papers be incorporated in the Hansard record of the Com­ mittee’s proceedings.

Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson submitted the following Paper: Office of the Public Service Board— Information for Senate Estimates Committee, September 1970. Senator Murphy submitted eight (8 ) documents relating to the practice of the

Magna Group of companies providing rewards for purchase orders.

Ordered: That copies of the documents submitted by Senator Murphy be made available to the Public Service Board.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF THE CABINET OFFICE: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply.

Also in Attendance: Mr P. H. Bailey, First Assistant Secretary, Department of the Cabinet Office, and Mr D. V. Eddowes, Administrative Officer, Depart­ ment of the Cabinet Office. The Chairman called on Division 150, Department of the Cabinet Office

(Document A ), $255,000. Division 150— Department of the Cabinet Office, $255,000, was considered.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION OF EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF TRADE AND INDUSTRY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply.

Also in Attendance:

Department of Trade and Industry: M r T . J. M c M a h o n , A ssista n t Secretary, M a n a g em en t S erv ices B ranch; M r E . J. L e w in , D ire cto r F in a n ce,

M a n a g em en t S erv ices B ran ch ; M r A . J. M cG o ld rick , P rincipal P roject

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Officer, Policy Secretariat Branch; Mr S. Burton, First Assistant Secretary,. Policy Development Division; Mr J. M. Gothe, First Assistant Secretary, Exports Promotion Division; Mr A. L. Paltridge, First Assistant Secretary, International Trade Relations Division; Mr A. J. Woods, Assistant Secretary, Secondary Industry Policy Division; Mr E. W. Ryan, Executive

Officer, A.I.R.D. Grants Board; Mr T. M. Williams, Assistant Secretary, Export Services Division; Mr R. J. Thomas, Assistant Secretary, Policy Development Division.

The Chairman called on: Divisions 520-530, Department of Trade and Industry

$

(Document A ) . . . . . . . . . . 40,030,000

Division 910, Department of Trade and Industry, Capital and Services . . . . . . . . . . 15,000

Paper: Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson submitted the following paper: Department of Trade and Industry— Estimates of Expenditure and Explana­ tory Notes, 1970-71. The following particulars of proposed expenditure and particulars of proposed provision of certain expenditure were considered.

Document A

Division 520— Administrative . . . . . .

Division 522— Tariff Board . . . . . .

Division 526— Australian Industrial Research and Develop­ ment Grants Board . . . . . . . .

Division 530— Trade Commissioner Service . . . .

Document B Division 910— Capital Works and Services . . . .

$

12.965.000 1,222,000

17.093.000 15.000

15.000

5. Adjournment: The Committee adjourned at twenty-nine minutes past five p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

6. Attendance: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Sir Magnus Cormack, Georges, Murphy, D. B. Scott, Sim and Young (6 ).

The President of the Senate (Senator the Hon. Sir Alister McMullin) and Senator Cant also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CONFIRMED

MAGNUS CORMACK

Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 5 TUESDAY, 27 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 11.00 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Sir Magnus Cormack) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply.

Also in Attendance: Mr L. H. Border, Senior Assistant Secretary, Manage­ ment Services Branch; Mr P. Flood, Head, Aid Policy Section; Mr N. Hope, Director, Projects and Services Section; Mr A. Jenkins, Executive Officer, Building, Property and Supply Sub-section; Mr R. Johns, Finance Officer, Mr B. Meade, Director Services, Management Services Branch; Mr R. J.

McCoy, Estimates Officer; Mr R. Spratt, Assistant Secretary, External Aid; Mr R. Throssell, Director of International Training Section; Mr M. J. Wilson, Assistant Secretary, Information and Cultural Relations Branch; Mr J. P. Walshe, Senior Executive Officer; Mr C. A. Bromwich, Director,

Personnel; Mr P. F. O’Hehir, Executive Officer, Property. The Chairman called on Divisions 250-252, Department of External Affairs (Document A), $81,276,600.

Divisions 830-832, Department of External Affairs (Document B), $797,000.

Paper: Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson submitted the following paper: Department of External Affairs—Estimates 1970-71.

Ordered: That the Paper be incorporated in the Hansard record of the Com­ mittee’s proceedings.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure and particulars of pro­ posed provision for certain expenditure were considered:

Document A $

Division 250— Administrative . . . . · · 60,447,000

Division 252— Overseas Service . . . . · · 20,829,600

Document B Division 830— Capital Works and Services . . . . 649,000

Division 832— Other Services— Papua and New Guinea 148,000

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3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply.

Also in Attendance: Department of the Treasury: Mr D. R. S. Craik, Deputy Secretary (Supply and General); Mr C. F. Grant, Director, Establishments and Finance Branch; Dr N. W. Davey, Assistant Secretary, Revenue, Loans and Investment Division; Mr J. D. Moore, Assistant Secretary, Revenue, Loans and Investment Division; Mr K. J. Horton-Stephens, Chief Finance Officer, Overseas Economic Relations Division; Mr D. L. Sainsbury, Chief Finance Officer, General Financial and Economic Policy Division; Mr P. A. Nott, Controller, Australian Government Publishing Service;

Mr T. W. Coppin, Acting Government Printer; Mr D. J. Hill, First Assistant Secretary, Accounting and Supply Division. Bureau of Census and Statistics: Mr I. G. Jones, Assistant Statistician; Mr F. D. Bagley, Assistant Statistician, Services; Mr H. R. Hegarty, Director, Establishments and Finance; Mr J. A. Butler, Assistant Director, Establishments and Finance. Office of

the Superannuation and D.F.R.B. Boards: Mr L. K. Burgess, President/ Chairman, Office of the Superannuation and D.F.R.B. Boards. Common­ wealth Taxation Office: Mr K. F. A. Myers, First Assistant Commissioner, Management Division; Mr K. F. Brigden, First Assistant Commissioner, Policy and Legislation Division; Mr M. D. McPherson, Director (Establish­ ments), Management Division.

The Chairman called on Divisions 540-552, Department of the Treasury (Document A) . . . . . . . . $83,068,000

Divisions 915-917, Department of the Treasury (Document B) . . . . . . . . . . . . $13,530,000

Paper: Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson submitted the following paper: Department of the Treasury— Estimates 1970-71— Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure and particulars of pro­ posed provision for certain expenditure were considered:

Document A

$

Division 540— Administrative . . . . . . 8,312,000

Division 542— Commonwealth Stores Supply and Tender Board . . . . . . . . . . —

Division 543— Australian Government Publishing Service 826,000 Division 546— Commonwealth Taxation Office . . 52,457,000 Division 548— Taxation Boards of Review . . . . 53,000

Division 550— Office of the Superannuation and Defence Forces Retirement Benefits Boards . . . . 2,042,000

Division 552— Bureau of Census and Statistics . . 19,378,000

Document B Division 915— Capital Works and Services . . . . 648,000

Division 917— Payments to or for the States . . 12,882,000

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4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR ADVANCE TO THE TREASURER: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply.

Also in Attendance: Officers of the Department of the Treasury.

The Chairman called on Division 560— Advance to the $

Treasurer (Document A ) . . . . . . . . 20,000,000

Division 920— Advance to the Treasurer (Document B ) . . 20,000,000 Divisions 650 and 920 were considered by the Committee.

5. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE:

Appearing: Senator the H on. Sir Kenneth Anderson, Minister for Supply.

Also in Attendance: Mr N. Boyle, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Service Personnel and Management Services Division; Mr R. Holt, Principal Executive Officer, Defence Planning Division; Mr H. F. Daly, Finance Officer (Departmental) Management Services Division; Mr D. Sandy,

Assistant Director-General, Recruiting Directorate:

The Chairman called on Divisions 600-626, Department of Defence (Document A) . . . . . . . . $23,724,000

Paper: Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson submitted the following paper: Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1970-71— Explanatory Notes on Department of Defence Section.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure and particulars of pro­ posed provision for certain expenditure were considered: Document A $

Division 600— Administrative . . . . . . 10,799,800

Division 602— Recruiting Campaign . . . . 1,835,800

Division 604— Plant and Equipment . . . . 1,179,000

Division 606— South-East Asia Treaty Organisation Military Planning Office— Contribution towards cost 25,400 Division 608— Defence Aid for Malaysia and Singapore 5,500,000 Division 609— Defence Aid for South Viet-Nam . ■ 3,304,000

The following particulars of proposed expenditure under the control of the Department of the Interior were considered together: $ Division 616— Rent . . . . . . · · 250,000

Division 617— Joint Defence Space Research Facility —

The following particulars of proposed expenditure under the control of the Department of Works were taken together and considered: $ Division 625— Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture . . 560,000

Division 626— Repairs and Maintenance . . · · 270,000

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6. PHOTOGRAPH OF COMMITTEE: A photograph of the Committee, the Minister for Supply and Leader of the Government in the Senate, Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson, and the President of the Senate, Senator the Hon. Sir Alister McMullin, was taken by the Australian News and Information

Bureau.

The Minister and Departmental Officers and Members of the Press and Public withdrew Deliberative Meeting

7. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: A draft report was considered by the Committee and with certain modifica­ tions was approved.

Resolved— That the Report as amended be presented to the Senate.

8. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 8.00 p.m.

9. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Sir Magnus Cormack, Gair, Georges, McClelland, Murphy, D. B. Scott, Sim and Young. (8). Senators Mulvihill and Wilkinson also took part in the Committee’s pro­ ceedings.

CONFIRMED

MAGNUS CORMACK

Chairman

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

1970

Report and M inutes of Proceedings of the Com m ittee

2 8 October 1 9 7 0

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MEMBERS

Senator G. S. Davidson (Chairman)

Senator J. F. Fitzgerald

Senator A. G. E. Lawrie

Senator J. A. Little

Senator D. McClelland

Senator J. A. Mulvihill

Senator R. G. Withers

Senator I. A. C. Wood

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister: Senator the Hon. Dame Annabelle Rankin, D.B.E.)

Document* Page Division

No.

Departm ent Amount

A 44-45 310 Housing .. .. .. . .

$

6,314,000

B 8 845 Housing .. . . .. . . 60,830,000

A 46-49 330-332 Immigration .. .. .. .. 71,274,000

B 9 850-852 Im migration .. . . .. .. 6,070,000

A 90-91 500 Social Services .. . . . 40,251,000

B 14 900-901 Social Services .. . . . . 2,743,000

A 74 430/3/08 Aboriginal Advancement . . . . 10,400,000

A 80 444 Office of Aboriginal Affairs .. .. 502,000

A 81 446 Australian Institute of Aboriginal Affairs .. 425,000

A 40-43 290-294 Health .. . . .. . . 36,328,000

B 8 840-842 Health . . . . . . .. 8,432,000

A 68-69 405 Postmaster-General’s .. . . . . 64,988 000

B 12 870-872 Postmaster-General’s . . . . .. 245,735,000

* D o c u m e n t A — ‘P a r tic u la r s o f P r o p o s e d E x p e n d itu r e f o r t h e S e rv ic e o f t h e Y e a r e n d in g 3 0 J u n e

1 9 7 1 ’.

* D o c u m e n t B — ‘P a r tic u la r s o f P r o p o s e d P r o v is io n f o r C e r t a i n E x p e n d i tu r e i n r e s p e c t o f t h e y e a r

e n d in g 3 0 J u n e 1 9 7 Γ .

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

1. Estimates Committee B has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

2. On 17 September 1970, the Senate referred to the Committee the Depart­ mental Estimates for the year 1970-71 relating to the following Departments: Housing Immigration

Social Services (including Aboriginal Affairs) Health Postmaster-General’s

3. The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received explana­ tions of them from the Minister for Housing and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings is tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1970-71 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1970-71. The Hansard report of the evidence

given before the Committee is available for the information of Senators.

4. The Committee places on record its appreciation of the very detailed explanations of the particulars of proposed expenditure for the year 1970-71 provided by the Minister for Housing and the officers of the various government departments she represents. Their co-operation and ready response assisted Com­

mittee members to a better understanding of the Estimates under consideration.

GORDON S. DAVIDSON Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 1

THURSDAY, 17 SEPTEMBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.30 p.m.

2. APPOINTMENT AND MEMBERSHIP OF ESTIMATES COMMITTEES: The Resolutions of the Senate of 11 June and 19 August 1970 relating to the establishment and membership of the Estimates Committees were reported to the Committee.

3. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE: The entry in Journals of the Senate of 16 September 1970 recording the appointment of the following members to Estimates Committee B was reported: Senators Davidson, Fitzgerald, Lawrie, Little, McClelland, Mulvihill,

Withers and Wood.

4. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Withers, Senator Davidson was elected Chairman of the Committee. Senator Davidson thereupon took the Chair.

5. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: (a) After discussion, the Committee resolved not to consider the proposed estimates of expenditure this day. (b) Discussion ensued on procedures to be followed by the Committee when

considering the relevant Divisions of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the year 1970-71.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at a quarter-past five p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Davidson, Fitzgerald, Lawrie, McClelland, Mulvihill, Withers and Wood (7.)

CONFIRMED

GORDON S. DAVIDSON Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 2

TUESDAY, 13 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.30 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Davidson) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Dame Annabelle Rankin, Minister for Housing, accompanied by Mr K. D. O. Medbury, O.B.E., Director of War Service Homes and First Assistant Secre­

tary for Management Services, Dr R. Mendelsohn, First Assistant Secretary for Policy and Research, Mr T. Kelly, First Assistant Secretary for Opera­ tions and Mr Elliott, Director of Finance. Paper: Senator Dame Annabelle Rankin, submitted the following paper: Department of Housing—Estimates 1970-71—Background information.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Division 310—Department of Housing (Document A). Division 845—Department of Housing (Document B).

The following particulars of proposed expenditure and particulars of proposed provision for certain expenditure were considered: Division 310—Department of Housing, $6,314,000. Division 845—Capital Works and Services, $60,830,000. Consideration of proposed expenditure for Department of Housing concluded.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Dame Annabelle Rankin, Minister for Housing, accompanied by Mr S. J. Dempsey, First Assistant Secretary, Planning Research and Infor­ mation Division; Mr T. T. McElroy, Director, Finance and General Services; Mr A. L. Barclay, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch; Mr R. U. Metcalfe, Assistant Secretary, Operations Branch; Mr E. L. Charles, Assistant Secretary, Integration Branch; Mr W. E. Law, Controller of Migrant Accommodation; Mr J. Moylan, Director, Establishments Section; Mr C.

Stanilewicz, Statistical Officer, Statistics Section; Mr H. Boardman, Director, Information Branch. Paper: Senator Dame Annabelle Rankin, submitted the following paper: Department of Immigration 1970-71 Estimates.

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The Chairman called on the following Division: Divisions 330 to 332—Department of Immigration (Document A), $71,274,000. Divisions 850 to 852—Department of Immigration (Document B),

$6,070,000.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: Division 3 30—Administrative—$64,010,000.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at thirteen minutes to ten p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following Members of the Committee were present: Senators Davidson, Lawrie, Mulvihill, Withers and Wood (5). Senators Webster and Wilkinson also took part in the Committee’! proceedings.

CONFIRMED

GORDON S. DAVIDSON Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 3 THURSDAY, 15 OCTOBER 1970 1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m. The Chairman (Senator

Davidson) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION, CON­ SIDERATION RESUMED: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Dame Annabelle Rankin, Minister for Housing, accompanied by:

Mr S. J. Dempsey, First Assistant Secretary, Planning Research and Infor­ mation Division; Mr T. T. McElroy, Director, Finance and General Services; Mr A. L. Barclay, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch; Mr R. U. Metcalfe, Assistant Secretary, Operations Branch;

Mr E. L. Charles, Assistant Secretary, Integration Branch; Mr W. E. Law, Controller of Migrant Accommodation; Mr J. Moylan, Director, Establishments Section; Mr C. Stanilewicz, Statistical Officer, Statistics Section;

Mr H. Boardman, Director, Information Branch. The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered: $ Division 332—Overseas Services . . . . . .

Division 850—Capital Works and Services . . . . Division 852—Payments to or for the States .. . .

Consideration of proposed expenditure for Department of concluded.

7.264.000 5.900.000 170,000 Immigration

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Dame Annabelle Rankin, Minister for Housing, accompanied by: Mr R. G. Williams, First Assistant Director-General (Management);

Mr K. W. Kelly, Assistant Director-General (Planning and Research); Mr P. Shine, Assistant Director-General (Rehabilitation); Mr K. T. Kimball, Assistant Director-General (Automatic Data Processing); Mr C. Calvert, Acting Assistant Director-General (Operations); Mr J. Lucas, Director (Aged Persons Homes). Paper: Senator Dame Annabelle Rankin submitted the following paper:

Department of Social Services— Explanatory Notes for Estimates of Receipts and Expenditure for year ending 30 June 1971.

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, The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Division 500—Department of Social Services (Document A) Divisions 900-901—Department of Social Services (Document B) The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

$

Division 500—Department of Social Services . . . . 40,251,000 Division 900—Capital Works and Services . . . . 2,468,000 Division 901—Payments to or for the States . . . . 275,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for Department of Social Services concluded.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE IN RELATION TO ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Dame Annabelle Rankin, Minister for Housing, accompanied

by: Mr B. G. Dexter, Executive Member of the Council for Aboriginal Affairs and Director of the Office of Aboriginal Affairs; Mr J. G. Hinton, Acting Director, Establishments and Finance Branch;

Mr Weidner, Finance Officer; Mr Huey, Executive Officer, Office of Aboriginal Affairs; Mr Martin, Senior Project Officer, Office of Aboriginal Affairs; Mr J. S. Boydel, Secretary, Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies. Paper: Senator Dame Annabelle Rankin submitted the following Paper:

Office of Aboriginal Affairs—Information for Senate Estimates Committee. The Chairman called on the following proposed expenditure: Division 430, Sub-division 3, item 08—Aboriginal Advancement (for pay­ ment to the Aboriginal Advancement Trust Account) (Document A)

Division 444—Office of Aboriginal Affairs (Document A) Division 446—Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies (Document A) The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $

Division 430, Sub-division 03, item 08—Aboriginal Advance­ ment for payment to the Aboriginal Advancement Trust Account) . . . . . . . . · ■ 10,400,000

Division 444-—Office of Aboriginal Affairs consideration con­ tinuing . . . - ·. . . · · 502,000

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at six p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Davidson, Fitzgerald, Lawrie, McClelland, Mulvihill, Withers and Wood (7). Senators Laucke and Murphy also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CONFIRMED

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GORDON S. DAVIDSON Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 4 TUESDAY, 20 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Davidson) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS RESUMED: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Dame Annabelle Rankin, Minister for Housing, accompanied by: Mr B. G. Dexter, Executive Member of the Council for Aboriginal Affairs

and Director of the Office of Aboriginal Affairs; Mr K. C. Martin, Project Officer, Office of Aboriginal Affairs; Mr F. D. McCarthy, Principal, Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies; Mr J. S. Boydel, Secretary, Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies;

Mr J. G. Hinton, Acting Director, Establishments and Finance Branch— Prime Minister’s Department; Mr W. N. Weidner, Finance Officer— Prime Minister’s Department.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $

Division 444— Office of Aboriginal Affairs . . . . 502,000

Division 446— Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies . . 425,000 Consideration of proposed expenditure for Aboriginal Affairs concluded.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Dame Annabelle Rankin, Minister for Housing, accompanied by:

Dr L. J. Wienholt, Deputy Director-General; Mr L. B. Holgate, Director, Finance; Mr D. Corrigan, Acting Assistant Director-General, Legislation and Special Projects;

Dr K. W. Edmondson, First Assistant Director-General, National Health Division; Mr J. L. Hayes, Acting Assistant Director-General, Medical and Hospital Branch;

Mr J. G. G. Kelleher, Assistant Director-General, Pharmaceutical Services Branch; Mr H. R. Peisley, Senior Veterinary Officer, Animal Quarantine Branch; Mr P. R. Griffin, Chief Accountant, Finance Section;

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Mr G. F. Bunfield, Estimates Officer, Finance Section; Mr H. C. Harrison, Assistant Director, Administration and Finance, Northern Territory; Dr J. S. Boxali, Senior Medical Officer, International Health Section;

Mr W. G. May, Acting Assistant Director, General Services, Australian Capital Territory, Paper: Senator Dame Annabelle Rankin submitted the following paper: Department of Health— Explanation of Estimates of Expenditure and

Revenue 1970-71 including comparison with 1969-70.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were: Division 290— Administrative— $21,602,000.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at five minutes to one p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Davidson, Fitzgerald, Lawrie, McClelland, Withers and Wood (6). Senator Murphy also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CONFIRMED

GORDON S. DAVIDSON

Chairman

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THE SENATE

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 5.

THURSDAY, 22 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Davidson) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH RESUMED: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Dame Annabelle Rankin, Minister for Housing, accompanied by:

Dr L. J. Wienholt, Deputy Director-General; Mr L. B. Holgate, Director, Finance; Mr D. Corrigan, Acting Assistant Director-General, Legislation and Special Projects;

Dr K. W. Edmondson, First Assistant Director-General, National Health Division; Mr J. L. Hayes, Acting Assistant Director-General Medical and Hospital Branch;

Mr J. G. G. Kelleher, Assistant Director-General, Pharmaceutical Services Branch; Mr H. R. Peisley, Senior Veterinary Officer, Animal Quarantine Branch; Mr P. R. Griffin, Chief Accountant, Finance Section; Mr G. F. Bunfield, Estimates Officer, Finance Section; Mr H. C. Harrison, Assistant Director, Administration and Finance,

Northern Territory; Dr J. S. Boxall, Senior Medical Officer, International Health Section; Mr W. G. May, Acting Assistant Director, General Services, Australian

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

Capital Territory.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $ Division 292— Australian Capital Territory Health Services 5,795,000 Division 294— Northern Territory Health Services . . 8,931,000 Division 840— Capital Works and Services . . . . 6,210,000

Division 842— Payments to or for the States . . . . 8,432,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Health con­ cluded.

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3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR POSTMASTER-GENERAL’S DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Dame Annabelle Rankin, Minister for Housing,

accompanied by: Mr D. G. McQuitty, Senior Assistant Director-General (Finance and Accounting); Mr D. M. Coleman, Acting Assistant Director-Control, Telecommunica­

tions Division; Mr F. L. C. Taylor, Assistant Director-General, Engineering Works Division; Mr J. R. Smith, Deputy Assistant Director-General (Commercial), Postal

Services Division; Mr J. A. McNamara, Secretary, Australian Broadcasting Control Board; Mr B. J. Connolly, Assistant Secretary; Dr C. W. Semmler, Deputy General Manager, Australian Broadcasting

Commission; Mr P. A. Dorrian, Controller, Management Services; Mr C. Dean, Acting Federal Director of Television Programmes; Mr D. Miley, Federal Director of Radio Programmes;

Mr S. Revill, Head of Information Services; Mr J. F. Venn, Acting Assistant Controller of Management Services (Finance).

Paper: Senator Dame Annabelle Rankin submitted the following paper: Postmaster-General’s Department— Estimates Explanations 1970-71.

The Chairman called on the following Divisions: Division 405— Postmaster-General’s Department (Document A) Divisions 870 872— Postmaster-General’s Department (Document B)

"Hie following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $ Division 405— Broadcasting and Television Services . . 64,988,000 Division 872— Sub-division 4— Australian Broadcasting Control Board . . . . . . · · 320,000

Division 872— Sub-divisions 2 and 3— Australian Broad­ casting Commission . . . . . . · · 2,510,000

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at six p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Davidson, Fitzgerald, Lawrie, Little, McClelland, Mulvihill, Withers and Wood. (8).

Senator Murphy also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CONFIRMED

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Chairman

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 6 TUESDAY, 27 OCTOBER 1980

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 11 a.m. The Chairman (Senate·· Davidson) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AND PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED PROVISION FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURE FOR POSTMASTER-GENERAL’S DEPARTMENT RESUMED: Appearing: Senator the Hon. Dame Annabelle Rankin, Minister

for Housing, accompanied by: Mr D. G. McQuitty, Senior Assistant Director-General (Finance and Accounting); Mr D. M. Coleman, Acting Assistant Director-General, Telecommunications

Division; Mr F. L. C. Taylor, Assistant Director-General, Engineering Works Division; Mr J. R. Smith, Deputy Assistant Director-General (Commercial), Postal

Services Division; Mr G. Hudson, Chief Finance Officer; Mr B. Byrnes, Assistant Comptroller (Telecommunications).

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $

Division 870— Capital Works and Services . . . . 240,000,000

Division 872— Sub-division 1— Engineering Equipment and Services . . . . . . . . . . 2,905,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Postmaster-General’s Depart­ ment concluded.

The Committee, having concluded its consideration of the particulars of pro­ posed expenditure referred to it by the Senate, the Minister, departmental officers, members of the press and public withdrew.

3. DELIBERATIVE MEETING: The Commitee resolved, on the motion of Senator Lawrie, that the ‘draft report’ be adopted. After discussion, it was resolved, on the motion of Senator Little— That the Committee place on record its appreciation of the very detailed explanations of

the particulars of proposed expenditure for the year 1970-71 provided by the Minister for Housing and the officers of the various government departments she represents.

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Their co-operation and ready response assisted Committee members to a better understanding of the Estimates under consideration.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at twenty minutes to one p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Davidson, Lawrie, Little, Mulvihill and Wood (5 ).

CONFIRMED

GORDON S. DAVIDSON

Chairman

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

1970

Report and Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee

28 October 1970

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MEMBERS

Senator C. L. Laucke (Chairman)

Senator R. Bishop

Senator N. E. Buttfield

Senator C. B. Byrne

Senator I. J. Greenwood, Q.C.

Senator B. R. Milliner

Senator P. E. Rae

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright)

D ocum ent* Page

D ivision N o.

D epartm ent A m ount

A 101-105 580-584 W orks . . . . . . ..

S

68,668,500

B 16-17 925 W orks . . . . . . .. 106,280,000

A 123 764 Civil Defence— R epairs and M aintenance 11,000

A 123 765 Civil Defence— Buildings, W orks, F ittings

and F urn itu re . . . . . . 8,000

A 92,94 524 A ustralian T ourist C om m ission . . . . 2,350,000

A 10-17 130-144 A ttorney-G eneral’s . . . . . . 18,966,000

B 5 805-807 A ttorney-G eneral’s . . . . . . 1,122,300

A 60-62 370-374 L ab o u r a n d N a tio n a l Service . . .. 14,088,000

B 11 860-861 L ab o u r a n d N a tio n a l Service . . .. 497,000

A 121-122 755 A dm inistration o f the N atio n al Service

Act . . . . . . . . 1,373,500

A 122 756 Post D ischarge R esettlem ent T raining . . 6,000

A 122 757 N ational Service— V ocational T rain in g —

Technical T raining . . . . 405,000

A 122 758 C om m onw ealth H ostels Lim ited— Build-

ings, W orks a n d E quipm ent— E xm outh G uest H ouse . . . . . · 7,000

A 25-30 230-246 E ducation and Science . . .. 129,478,000

B 6 825-827 E ducation and Science . . · ■ 17,874,000

A 121 750 N ational Service— V ocational T raining—

U niversity C ourses . . · . 612,000

A 36-39 270-282 External T erritories .. . . ■ · 104,616,000

B 7 835 E xternal T erritories . . . . ■ · 8,130,200

* D ocum ent A— ‘P articulars o f P roposed E xpenditure fo r th e Service o f the Y ear ending 30 June 1971’.

* D ocum ent B— ‘Particulars o f Proposed Provision fo r C ertain E xpenditure in respect o f the year ending 30 Ju n e 1971’.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee C has the honour to present its report to the Senate.

On 17 September 1970, the Senate referred to the Comrpittee the Depart­ mental Estimates for the year 1970-71 relating to the following Departments: Works (and Tourist Activities) Labour and National Service

Attorney-General’s Education and Science External Territories.

The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Works and officers of the Departments concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and the Hansard report of the evidence are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation

Bill (No. 1) 1970-71 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1970-71.

In addition, the Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following:

1. That, during the course of taking evidence, the Committee was concerned with the lack of clarity and appropriate information in the Budget Papers in the presentation of figures relating to programmes and expenditure for the Department of Works. The Civil Works Programme and Particulars of Proposed Expenditure contained in the Appropriation Bills Nos 1 and 2 do not disclose all the construction works under the control of the Department of Works being, or to be undertaken for clients. Secondly, there is no dissection shown of the appropriation included in

the Appropriation Bills Nos 1 and 2 or the Civil Works Programme which would enable a ready division of the Estimates to show the work approved prior to the current financial year, the moneys which have been revoted and the moneys which are approved but will not be expended during

the current finacial year. The Committee is of opinion that the documents should clearly show the total vote proposed for new construction and the proportion of that amount which is to be expended in the ensuing year.

2. When the Committee was hearing evidence relating to the Office of the Parliamentary Counsel, during consideration of the Estimates for the Attorney-General’s Department, the matter of delay in preparation of up-to-date sets of bound Consolidated Statutes and Statutory Rules was raised. The latest set of bound Consolidated Statutes is dated 1950 and

of Statutory Rules, 1956. Reference was also made to the late publication of annual volumes of Statutes and Statutory Rules. The evidence indicated that there was little immediate likelihood of up-to-date bound consolidated volumes of Statutes or Statutory Rules or

any satisfactory alternative being available in the foreseeable future. The Minister for Works undertook to take the matter up with the Attorney- General and have some decisive explanation by 31 March 1971.

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3. Having seen the documents circulated by some Departments to this and other Estimates Committees, the Committee considers that future opera­ tions of the Estimates Committees would be greatly helped if all Depart­ ments were to prepare and supply members of the relevant Committee with

advance copies of detailed explanations of Estimates, and that, so far as possible, Departments should present such documents in a uniform, itemised and indexed form.

4. The Committee felt that consideration should be given in future to the number of Committees which meet simultaneously, to the rotation of Com­ mittees sitting simultaneously, and to the general accommodation which is available for Committee meetings. Consideration should also be given

to increasing the time available for the sittings of the Committees.

The Committee also wishes to record its appreciation of the evidence given by both the Minister for Works and the officers of the Departments concerned. The Committee feels that the examination of the Estimates, as carried out by this Committee, even in the formative stages of the new system, has been far more

detailed and of much greater value than was the type of the examination of the Estimates undertaken in the past by the Committee of the Whole Senate.

C. L. LAUCKE

Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

THE SENATE

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 1 THURSDAY, 17 SEPTEMBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.15 p.m.

2. APPOINTMENT AND MEMBERSHIP OF ESTIMATES COMMITTEES: The Resolutions of the Senate of 11 June and 19 August 1970 relating to the establishment and membership of the Estimates Committees were reported to the Committee.

3. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE: The entry in Journals of the Senate of 16 September 1970 recording the appointment of the following members to Estimates Committee C was reported: Senators Bishop, Buttfield, Byrne, Greenwood, Keeffe, Laucke, Milliner and

Rae.

4. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Rae, Senator Laucke was elected Chairman of the Committee.

Senator Laucke thereupon took the Chair.

5. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: Discussion ensued on procedures to be followed by the Committee when considering the relevant Divisions of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the year 1970-71.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at twenty-five minutes to five p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bishop, Byrne, Laucke, Greenwood, Milliner and Rae (6 ).

CONFIRMED

C. L. LAUCKE Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 2

THURSDAY, 24 SEPTEMBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Laucke) took the Chair,

2. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman made a statement relating to the establishment of, and procedure which the Committee would follow in the conduct of its proceedings.

3. MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman read a letter from the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, addressed to the President of the Senate, advising that he had appointed Senator Willesee a member of the Committee in the place of Senator Keeffe, resigned.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1970-71— DEPART­ MENT OF WORKS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Works:

Mr A. S. Reiher, Director-General

Mr J. W. Pearce, Director (Establishment Services)

Mr A. W. G. Miles, Executive Officer, Works Administration

Mr W. D. Hamilton, Executive Officer, Finance.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference of the Senate of 17 September 1970, the Committee commenced consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expen­ diture for the service of the Year ending 30 June 1971, and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the Year ending 30 June 1971 relating to the following departmental estimates:

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Docum ent* Page

D ivision N o.

Department Amount

A 101-105 580-584 Works . . .. . . . .

S

68,668,500

B 16-17 925 Works .. .. . . . . 106,280,000

A 123 764 Civil D efence— Repairs and M aintenance 11,000

A 123 765 Civil D efence— Buildings, W orks, Fittings

and Furniture . . . . . . 8,000

A 92,94 524 Australian Tourist Commission . . .. 2,350,000

A 10-17 130-144 Attorney-General’s . . . . . . 18,966,000

B 5 805-807 Attorney-General’s . . . . . . 1,122,300

A 60-62 370-374 Labour and National Service .. .. 14,088,000

B 11 860-861 Labour and National Service . . . . 497,000

A 121-122 755 Administration o f the National Service Act 1,373,500

A 122 756 Post Discharge Resettlement Training . . 6,000

A 122 757 N ational Service—Vocational Training—

Technical Training . . . . 405,000

A 122 758 Commonwealth Hostels Limited—Build-

ings, Works and Equipment— Exmouth G uest H ouse .. .. . . 7,000

A 25-30 230-246 Education and Science . . . . 129,478,000

B 6 825-827 Education and Science . . . . 17,874,000

A 121 750 N ational Service—Vocational Training—

University Courses .. . . . . 612,000

A 36-39 270-282 External Territories . . . . . . 104,616,000

B 7 835 External Territories . . . . . . 8,130,200

* Docum ent A— ‘Particulars o f Proposed Expenditure for the Service o f the Year ending 30 June 197Γ.

* Document B— ‘Particulars o f Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect o f the year ending 30 June 1971’.

The Chairman called on Divisions 580-584, Department of Works, $68,668,500 (Document A ).

Senator Wright made a statement to the Committee on Estimates for the Depart­ ment of Works 1970-71.

Discussion ensued on the Department of Works generally.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A

Division 580— Administrative . . . . . .

$

41,477,000

Division 582— Furniture and Fittings 1.— Departmental— 01. Parliament . . . . . . . . 78,000

02. Attorney-General’s Department . . . . 240,000

03. Department of the Cabinet Office . . . . 300

Item 04. Department of Civil Aviation— $630,000: On the motion of Senator Rae, consideration of Item 04 was deferred, after discussion.

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The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered by the Committee:

$

. . 130,000

. . 30,000

05. 06. 07.

Department of Customs and Excise . . . .

Department of Education and Science . . . .

Department of Education and Science— Common­ wealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organiza­ tion . . . . . .

08. Department of External Affairs 09. Department of External Territories 10. Department of Health . .

11. Department of Housing . .

12. Department of Immigration . . 13. Department of the Interior . . 14. Department of Labour and National Service 15. Department of National Development 16. Department of Primary Industry

17. Prime Minister’s Department . . 18. Repatriation Department . . 19. Department of Shipping and Transport 20. Department of Social Services . .

21. Department of Trade and Industry 22. Department of the Treasury . . 23. Commonwealth Taxation Office

24. Department of Works . .

2.— Australian Capital Territory Services— 01. Department of Education and Science— $270,000 On the motion of Sen: tor Greenwood, consideration of Item 01 deferred, after discussion.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

330.000 60,000 18,000 125.000

9,500 73.000 180.000 90.000 105.000

33.000 120.000 240.000 53.000

190.000 45.000 140.000 200.000

145.000

w a s

02. Department of the Interior . . . . ■ · 100,000

03. Department of Works . . . . · · 16,000

3. — Cocos (Keeling) Islands— 01. Department of External Territories . . ■ · 700

4. — Northern Territory Services . . . , ·· 410,000

5. — Broadcasting and Television Services . . · · 30,000

Division 584— Repairs and Maintenance . . 23,100,000

And it being 6 p.m.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Buttfield, Byrne, Greenwood, Laucke, Rae, Milliner and Willesee ( 7 > Senator Young also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CONFIRMED

C. L. LAUCKE

Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 3 TUESDAY, 13 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.30 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Laucke) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1970-71— DEPART­ MENT OF WORKS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of: (a) The Department of Works: Mr A. S. Reiher, Director-General; Mr

W. D. Hamilton, Executive Officer (W orks); Mr J. C. E. Gore, Acting Executive Officer (Management Services). (b) The Department of Civil Aviataion: Mr B. Lewis, First Assistant Director-General (Management Services), Mr J. A. Munday, Senior

Property Officer.

The Committee considered the following postponed item of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the service of the Year ending 30 June 1971 for the Department of Works: Document A

Division 582— Furniture and Fittings. 1— Departmental 04. Department of Civil Aviation— $630,000.

Papers: The Minister for Works (Senator Wright) tabled answers to certain questions relating to the Department of Works, asked at the previous sitting of the Committee. The Chairman called on Document B, Division 925.— Capital Works and Services— $106,280,000.

Discussion ensued.

And it being 9.45 p.m.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bishop, Buttfield, Byrne, Greenwood, Laucke, Milliner, Rae and Willesee (8). Senator Cant also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CONFIRMED

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 4 TUESDAY, 20 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10.00 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Laucke) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1970-71— DEPART­ MENT OF WORKS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Works:

Mr A. S. Reiher, Director-General Mr W. D. Hamilton, Executive Officer (Works) Mr J. C. E. Gore, Acting Executive Officer (Management Services)

The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered: Document B $ Division 925— Capital Works and Services . . . . 106,280,000

Document A Division 764— Civil Defence— Repairs and Maintenance 11,000 Division 765— Civil Defence— Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture . . . . . . . . 8,000

Consideration of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Department of Works concluded with the exception of postponed Item— Division 582.— Furniture and Fittings, 2.— Australian Capital Territory Services— 01.— Department of Education and Science— $270,000— to be considered when

the Committee considers Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Depart­ ment of Education and Science.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1970-71— DEPART­ MENT OF TRADE AND INDUSTRY— AUSTRALIAN TOURIST COMMISSION: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of:

(a) The Department of Trade and Industry: Mr C. G. Dyson, Assistant Secretary, Tourism Branch, and Mr J. N. Lane, Finance Officer. (b) The Australian Tourist Commission: Mr D. C. Beresford, Director of Operations, and Mr G. L. Holland, Director of Finance and Adminis­

tration.

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Mr Dyson, on behalf of the Minister for Works (Senator Wright), made a statement on the Estimates for the Australian Tourist Commission 1970-71. The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered: Document A $

Division 524— Australian Tourist Commission . . 2,350,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Australian Tourist Commission concluded.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1970-71— ATTORNEY- GENERAL’S DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of: (a) The Attorney-General’s Department: Mr K. S. Edmunds, First

Assistant Secretary, Executive ‘A ’ Branch, Mr Η. T. Bennett, First Assistant Secretary, Executive ‘B ’ Branch, Mr N. E. Sainsbury, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch, and Mr K. Geary, Finance Officer, Management Services Branch. (b) The Office of Parliamentary Counsel: Mr C. K. Comans, Second

Parliamentary Counsel. (c) The Office of Commissioner of Trade Practices: Mr K. Ceilings, Assistant Commissioner. Mr Edmunds, on behalf of the Minister for Works (Senator Wright), made a statement on the Estimates for the Attorney-General’s Department 1970-71.

The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered by the Committee: Document A $

Division 130— Administrative . . . . . . 2,748,000

The Chairman called on Division 131— Office of Parliamentary Counsel— $310,000. Discussion ensued.

Sitting suspended from 1 p.m. to 4.25 p.m.

The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered by the Committee: Document A $

Division 131— Office of Parliamentary Counsel . . . . 310,000

Division 132— Reporting Branch . . . . . . 796,000

Division 133— Crown Solicitor’s Office . . . . 2,220,000

Division 134— High Court . . . . . . . . 373,000

Division 136— Bankruptcy Administration . . . . 1,213,000

Division 137— Conciliation and Arbitration . . . . 1,203,000

Division 138— Patent, Trade Marks and Designs Offices . . 2,639,000 Division 139— Legal Service Bureaux . . . . 175,000

Division 140— Office of the Commissioner of Trade Practices 592,000 Division 141— Commonwealth Police Force . . . . 5,634,000

Division 142— Australian Police College . . . . 115,000

Division 143— Australian Capital Territory Courts and Registration Offices . . . . . . . . 585,000

Division 144— Northern Territory Courts and Registration Offices . . . . . . . . . . 363,000

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Paper: Mr Bennett tabled the following documents: Organisations approved by the Attorney-General as Marriage Guidance Organisations under the provisions of the Matrimonial Causes Act. Summary of Activity of Approved Marriage Guidance Organisations in

Australia 1960-61 to 1968-69. Document B $

Division 805— Capital Works and Services . . . . 1,118,800

Division 807— Other Services . . . . . . 3,500

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Attorney-General’s Depart­ ment concluded.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1970-71— DEPART­ MENT OF LABOUR AND NATIONAL SERVICE: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Labour and National Service:

Dr P. H. Cook, O.B.E., Secretary; Mr M. Kangan, First Assistant Secretary (Employment and Industrial Services); Mr B. H. Tregillis, Assistant Secretary (Industrial Relations);

Mr B. K. Phelan, Acting Assistant Secretary (National Service); Mr D. M. Halpin, Director (Establishments and Finance); Mr J. T. Ryder, Finance Officer.

The Minister for Works (Senator Wright), made a statement on the Esti­ mates for the Department of Labour and National Service 1970-71. Discussion ensued.

The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered: Document A Division 370— Administrative $

L— Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary . . 11,125,000 2.— Administrative Expenses . . . . ■ · 2,193,000

The Chairman called on Sub-division 3.— Other Services— $677,000 Discussion ensued. A nd it being 9.45 p.m.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bishop, Buttfield, Byrne, Greenwood, Laucke, Milliner and Willesee (7). Senators Mulvihill and Murphy also took part in the Committee’s pro­

ceedings.

CONFIRMED

C. L. LAUCKE

Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 5 THURSDAY, 22 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Laucke) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1970-71— DEPART­ MENT OF LABOUR AND NATIONAL SERVICE: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Labour and National Service:

Dr P. H. Cook, O.B.E., Secretary; Mr B. K. Phelan, Acting Assistant Secretary (National Service); Mr D. M. Halpin, Director (Establishments and Finance); Mr J. T. Ryder, Finance Officer.

The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered:

Document A $

Division 370— Administrative— 3.— Other Services . . . . . . . . 677,000

Division 372— Public Service Arbitrator’s Office . . . . 87,000

Division 374— Commonwealth Hostels Limited . . . . 6,000

Document B Division 860— Capital Works and Services . . . . 147,000

Division 861— Other Services . . . . . . 350,000

Paper: The Minister for Works (Senator Wright), tabled the following paper: Employment Training Scheme for Women restricted by Domestic Responsi­ bilities.

The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered:

Document A $

Division 755— Administration of the National Service Act 1,373,500 Division 756— Post Discharge Resettlement Training . . 6,000 Division 757— National Service— Vocational Training— Technical Training . . . . . . . . 405,000

Division 758— Commonwealth Hostels Limited— Build­ ings, Works and Equipment— Exmouth Guest House . . 7,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Labour and National Service concluded.

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3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1970-71— DEPART­ MENT OF EDUCATION AND SCIENCE: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Education and Science and Associated Offices:

Mr K. N. Jones, C.B.E., First Assistant Secretary; Mr Η. K. Coughlan, Senior Assistant Secretary; Dr R. I. Garrod, Senior Assistant Secretary; Mr C. J. Lenihan, Director (Establishments and Finance);

Mr F. R. Smith, Acting Assistant Secretary (International Education); Mr J. C. Cobb, Director (Education Facilities); Mr A. F. Harper, Secretary of the National Standards Commission and Executive Member of the Metric Conversion Board;

Mr J. K. Kaye, Secretary, Australian Universities Commission; Mr R. W. Viney, Finance Manager, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization.

The Minister for Works (Senator Wright), made a statement on the Estimates for the Department of Education and Science 1970-71.

The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered: Document A $

Division 230— Administrative 1. — Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary . . 3,985,500 2. — Administrative Expenses . . . . . . 1,146,000

The Chairman called on Sub-division 3.— Other Services— $656,500. Discussion ensued.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee, in order to view a sample of the films produced by the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organiza­ tion, adjourned at twenty-three minutes to six p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bishop, Buttfield, Byrne, Greenwood, Laucke, Milliner and Rae (7).

CONFIRMED

C. L. LAUCKE

Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 6

TUESDAY, 27 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 11 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Laucke) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1970-71— DEPART­ MENT OF EDUCATION AND SCIENCE AND DEPARTMENT OF WORKS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Education and

Science and associated Offices:

Mr K. N. Jones, C.B.E., First Assistant Secretary

Mr Η. K. Coughlan, Senior Assistant Secretary

Dr R. I. Garrod, Senior Assistant Secretary

Mr C. J. Lenihan, Director (Establishments and Finance)

Mr L. P. Fricker, Acting Assistant Secretary, Student Assistance Branch

Mr R. A. Foskett, Assistant Secretary, Territorial Education Branch

Sir Henry Basten, C.M.G., Chairman, Australian Universities Commision

Mr J. K. Kaye, Secretary, Australian Universities Commission

Mr R. W. Viney, Finance Manager, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization

Mr S. Lattimore, Assistant Secretary, Industrial and Physical Sciences Branch, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization

Dr J. B. Allen, Assistant Secretary, Industrial and Physical Sciences Branch, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization

Mr G. R. Williams, Assistant Secretary, Agricultural and Biological Sciences Branch, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization

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Mr R. W. Hinde, Principal Research Scientist, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization.

(1 ) Department of Education and Science:

The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered:

Document A

Division 230— Administrative 3. — Other Services . . . . . . . .

4. — Commonwealth Scholarships Schemes . . . . 5. — Grants-in-Aid . . . . . . . .

Division 231— Metric Conversion Board . . . .

Division 232— Educational Services . . . .

Division 234— Anglo-Australian Telescope Board . .

Division 236— Australian Universities Commission . .

Division 238— The Australian National University . .

Division 239— Canberra College of Advanced Education Division 244— National Standards Commission . .

$

1.986.000 37.390.000 656,500 107.000 14.473.000

119.000 222.000 24.950.000 1.480.000

163,000

The Minister for Works (Senator Wright) made a statement on the Estimates for the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization 1970-71:

Paper: The Minister for Works (Senator Wright) then tabled the following Paper:

CSIRO Estimates of Expenditure 1970-71 Brief Explanatory Notes.

The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered:

Division 246— Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial $ Research Organization . . . . . . . . 42,800,000

Document B Division 825— Capital Works and Services . . . . 13,140,000

Division 826— Payments to or for the States . . . . 4,394,000

Division 827— Other Services . . . . . . 340,000

Document A Division 750— National Service— Vocational Training— University Courses . . . . . . . . 612,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Education and Science concluded.

(2 ) Department of Works— Postponed item:

The following postponed item was considered by the Committee:

Division 582— Furniture and Fittings $

2.— Australian Capital Territory Services . . - .

01.— Department of Education and Science . . . ■ 270,000

Consideration of postponed expenditure for the Department of Works concluded.

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3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1970-71— DEPART­ MENT OF EXTERNAL TERRITORIES: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of External Territories:

Mr M. A. Besley, First Assistant Secretary, Central Secretariat; Mr A. W. Richardson, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Economic Affairs; Mr J. H. Greenwell, Assistant Secretary, Legal; Mr L. F. Hennessy, Assistant Secretary, Community Services;

Mr L. W. Temby, Assistant Secretary, Finance; Mr P. Galvin, Assistant Secretary, Government.

The Minister for Works (Senator Wright), made a statement on the Estimates for the Department of External Territories 1970-71.

The following Particulars of Proposed Expenditure were considered: Document A $ Division 270— Administrative . . . . . . 2,980,000

Division 274— Christmas Island . . . . . . 423,500

Division 276— Cocos (Keeling) Islands . . . . 506,000

Division 278— Norfolk Island . . . . . . 76,000

Division 280— Papua and New Guinea— Miscellaneous Services . . . . . . . . . . 100,314,500

Division 282— Australian School of Pacific Administration 316,000

Document B Division 835— Capital Works and Services . . . . 8,130,200

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of External Territories concluded.

The Minister and members of the press and public withdrew

4. DRAFT REPORT: The Committee considered a draft report and made amendments thereto.

Ordered: That a further draft report be prepared for consideration at the next meeting of the Committee.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at five minutes past six p.m. until tomorrow at nine-thirty a.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bishop, Buttfield, Byrne, Greenwood, Laucke, Milliner, Rae and Willesee (8).

Senators McClelland and Murphy also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 7 WEDNESDAY, 28 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 9.30 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Laucke) took the Chair.

2. MINUTES: The minutes of the meetings held on 17 and 24 September, 13, 20, 22 and 27 October were read and confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered a draft of the Committee’s Report to the Senate which was amended, after discussion. Draft Report, as amended, agreed to.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at twenty minutes past ten a.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bishop, Greenwood, Laucke and Rae (4).

CONFIRMED

C. L. LAUCKE Chairman

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

1970

Report and M inutes of Proceedings of the Com m ittee

2 8 October 1 9 7 0

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MEMBERS

Senator J. E. Marriott (Chairman)

Senator R. Bishop

Senator G. H. Branson

Senator H. G. J. Cant

Senator A. E. D. Lillico

Senator D. B. Scott

Senator R. J. D. Turnbull

Senator K. S. Wriedt

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton)

D ocum ent* Page

D ivision N o .

D ep artm en t A m ount

A 20-22 170-172 Civil A viation . . . . . .

$

72,823,000

B 5 810 Civil A viation . . . . . . 11,300,000

A 63-67 390-402 N a tio n a l D evelopm ent . . . . 38,457,200

B 11-12 865 N a tio n al D evelopm ent . . . . 37,473,000

A 50-59 350-368 In te rio r . . . . . . . . 103,167,000

B 9-11 855 In te rio r . . . . . . . . 87,739,000

A 121 752 Civil D efence . . . . . . 780,800

A 23-24 210 C ustom s and Excise . . . . . . 28,112,000

B 5 820 C ustom s and Excise . . . . . . 284,400

A 86-89 480-490 Shipping and T ra n sp o rt . . . . 83,900,000

B 13-14 890-892 Shipping and T ra n sp o rt . . . . 30,827,000

* Docum ent A — ‘Particulars o f Proposed Expenditure for the Service o f the Year ending 30 June 1971’.

* D ocum ent B— ‘Particulars o f Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1971’.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee D has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

On 17 September 1970, the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1971, and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1971, relating to the following departmental estimates:

D ocum ent* Page

D ivision N o.

D epartm ent A m ount

A 20-22 170-172 Civil A viation . . . . . .

$

72,823,000

B 5 810 Civil A viation .. . . . . 11,300,000

A 63-67 390-402 N a tio n a l D evelopm ent . . . . 38,457.200

B 11-12 865 N a tio n a l D evelopm ent . . . . 37,473,000

A 50-59 350-368 In te rio r . . . . . . . . 103,167,000

B 9-11 855 In te rio r . . . . . . . . 87,739,000

A 121 752 Civil D efence . . . . . . 780,800

A 23-24 210 C ustom s a n d Excise . . . . . . 28,112,000

B 5 820 C ustom s a n d Excise . . . . .. 284,400

A 86-89 480-490 Shipping a n d T ransport . . . . 83,900,000

B 13-14 890-892 S hipping a n d T ransport . . . . 30,827,000

* Docum ent A — ‘Particulars o f Proposed Expenditure for the Service o f the Year ending 30 June 1971’.

* D ocum ent B— ‘Particulars o f Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect o f the year ending 30 June 197Γ.

The Committee has considered these particulars of proposed expenditure and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Civil Aviation and officers of the Departments concerned.

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings, together with a copy of the Hansard report of the evidence, is tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1970-71 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1970-71.

The Committee believes that the new procedures have facilitated the provision of information to Senators attending the Committee meetings, and to all others through the daily Hansard report. It extends its appreciation to the Minister for Civil Aviation, Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, for his co-operation and assistance and to the departmental officers for the manner in which they discharged their duties.

The Committee regrets the inadequacy of the present facilities for the meetings of the Estimates Committees and for the officers waiting to be called. The Committee recommends that consideration be given to procedures that would permit all relevant expenditures, for example, rent or works and services items, to be considered along with the other expenditures for each department, but not so as to exclude them from examination in their present divisions.

(Senator Cant dissented from the inclusion of the words ‘but not so as to exclude them from examination in their present divisions’.)

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 1

THURSDAY, 17 SEPTEMBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session in Committee Room L.22 at 2 p.m.

2. ESTABLISHMENT AND MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE: Extracts from the ‘Journals of the Senate’ of 11 June and 19 August 1 9 7 0 , embodying the resolutions relating to the establishment of the Committee, were read. The entry in the ‘Journals of the Senate’ of 16 September 1 9 7 0 , recording the appointment of members, was read.

3. ELECTION OF CHAIRM AN: On the motion of Senator Branson, seconded by Senator Lillico, Senator Marriott was elected Chairman. Senator Marriott thereupon took the chair.

4. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman informed the Committee that as far as possible the traditions, practices and procedures of the Committee of the Whole would be followed, and made a short statement on procedure.

Discussion ensued.

(Sitting suspended from 2.10 to 4.30 p.m.)

5. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE: It was resolved that the Committee not proceed to the consideration of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure at the present meeting, and that the Minister and departmental representatives in attendance on the Committee

be so notified.

6. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman made a further statement on procedure. Discussion ensued, and general agreement on the following matters was noted:

1. That smoking be permitted during sittings of the Committee. 2. That sittings not be suspended for morning and afternoon teas. 3. That questions be addressed, through the Chairman, to the Minister or, in his absence, the senior departmental officer present. 4. That visiting senators be afforded an opportunity to ask questions on

an item after members of the Committee had completed their questioning. 5. That the proceedings be regarded as questioning sessions rather than debating sessions.

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7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.56 p.m. till a day and hour to be fixed.

8. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Marriott (Chairman), Senators Bishop, Branson, Cant, Lillico, D. B. Scott and Wriedt. On leave: Senator Turnbull.

CONFIRMED

J. E. MARRIOTT

Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 2 THURSDAY, 24 SEPTEMBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in Committee Room L.22 at 2.15 p.m.

2. CHAIRM AN’S OPENING STATEMENT: The chairman made a brief state­ ment on the new procedures for the consideration of the Estimates.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE: Pursuant to the Order of Reference of the Senate of 17 September 1970 the Committee commenced consideration of the particulars of Proposed Expen­ diture for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1971, and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30

June 1971, relating to the following departmental estimates:

D ocum ent* Page D ivision

N o.

D ep artm en t A m ount

A 20-22 170-172 Civil A viation . . . . . .

$

72,823,000

B 5 810 Civil A viation . . . . . . 11,300,000

A 63-67 360-402 N a tio n a l D evelopm ent . . . . 38,457,200

B 11-12 865 N a tio n a l D evelopm ent . . . . 37,473,000

A 50-59 350-368 In te rio r . . . . . . . . 103,167,000

B 9-11 855 In te rio r . . . . . . . . 87,739,000

A 121 752 Civil D efence . . . . . . 750,800

A 23-24 210 C ustom s and Excise . . . . . . 28,112,000

B 5 820 C ustom s and Excise . . . . . . 284,400

A 86-89 450-490 Shipping a n d T ra n sp o rt . . . . 83,900,000

B 13-14 890-892 Shipping and T ra n sp o rt . . . . 30,827,000

* D ocum ent A — ‘Particulars o f P roposed E xpenditure fo r th e Service o f th e Y ear ending 30 June 1971’.

* D ocum ent B— ‘Particulars o f P roposed Provision fo r C ertain E xpenditure in respect o f th e year ending 30 Ju n e 1971’.

The Chairman called on Divisions 170-172, Department of Civil Aviation, $72,823,000. (Document A ) Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accom­ panied by Mr B. Lewis, First Assistant Director-General (Management Ser­

vices), Department of Civil Aviation; Mr G. R. Woodward, Assistant Director- General (Finance), Department of Civil Aviation; and Mr J. Holt, Director of Financial Studies and Assistance, Department of Civil Aviation.

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Senator Cotton made a short statement on the activities of the Department, and submitted the following paper:

Department of Civil Aviation— Estimates 1970-71— Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

D ivision 170.— A d m in istr a tiv e and O perational $ 68,951,000

D ivision 172.— D e v e l o p m e n t o f C ivil A viation 3,872,000

Total: Department of Civil Aviation . . . . 72,823,000

The Chairman called on Division 810, Department of Civil Aviation, $11,300,000. (Document B)

The following particulars of proposed provision were considered:

D ivision 810.— C apital W orks and Services $ 11,300,000

Total: Department of Civil Aviation . . . . 11,300,000

The Chairman called on Divisions 390-402, Department of National Develop­ ment, $38,457,200. (Document A )

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accom­ panied by Mr R. H. J. Thompson, Assistant Secretary (Management Services), Department of National Development; Mr D. J. Gates, Assistant Secretary (Mineral and Forests Policy), Department of National Development; Mr L. J. Hickey, Finance Officer, Department of National Development; Mr C. T.

Wheeler, Engineer (Programmes), Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority; Mr W. Woodward, Chief Finance Officer, Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority; Mr A. C. Girard, Chief Administrative Officer, Joint Coal Board; Mr F. J. Embrey, Chief Accountant, Joint Coal Board; Mr K. F. Alder, Director, Research Establishment, Australian Atomic Energy Commission; and Mr C. A. Walters, Director, Finance, Australian Atomic Energy Commission. Senator Cotton made a short general statement on the activities of the Depart­ ment and presented the following paper:

Department of National Development— Statement of Functions and Activities of the Department, together with (a) a chart showing the Department’s divisions and the authorities responsible to the Minister, (b) a list of officers from the Department and its authorities, (c) the staffing statistics

of the Department, (d) the latest annual reports of the Australian Atomic Energy Commission, the Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority, the Joint Coal Board and the River Murray Commission, and (e) maps and commentaries dealing with the geology, mineral deposits and mineral industry of Australia.

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The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

D ivision 390— A d m in istr a tiv e

1.— Salaries and Payments in the nature of Salary $

01. Salaries and allowances . . . . . . 1,660,000

02. Overtime . . . . . . . . 40,000

03. Secretary— Salary ($19,500) and allowance ($1,000) 20,500

1,720,500

2.— Administrative Expenses $

01. Travelling and subsistence . . . . . . 115,000

02. Office requisites and equipment, stationery and printing . . . . . . . . . . 60,000

03. Postage, telegrams and telephone services . . 79,000

Item 04. Gas turbine research— Equipment and operational expenses, $26,000, being considered by the Committee—

And it being 6 p.m.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned till a day and hour to be fixed.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Marriott (Chairman), Senators Bishop, Branson, Cant, Lillico, D. B. Scott and Wriedt.

On leave: Senator Turnbull.

Senators Sir Magnus Cormack, McClelland and Mulvihill also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CONFIRMED

J. E. MARRIOTT

Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 3 THURSDAY, 15 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in Committee Room L.22 at 2.15 p.m.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDI­ TURE: Consideration resumed of Divisions 390-402, Department of National Development, $38,457,200— (Document ‘A ’). Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation; accompanied by Mr R. H. J. Thompson, Assistant Secretary (Management Services), Department of National Development; Mr D. J. Gates, Assistant Secretary (Minerals and

Forests Policy), Department of National Development; Mr L. J. Hickey, Finance Officer, Department of National Development; Mr A. I. McCutchan, Senior Assistant Secretary (Water Power and Geographic Branch), Depart­ ment of National Development; Mr C. T. Wheeler, Engineer (Programmes),

Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority; Mr W. Woodward, Chief Finance Officer, Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority; Mr A. W. Murray, Secre­ tary, Joint Coal Board; Mr F. J. Embrey, Chief Accountant, Joint Coal Board; Professor Sir Philip Baxter, Chairman, Australian Atomic Energy Commission; Mr A. D. Thomas, Head Technical Policy Division, Australian Atomic Energy Commission; Dr R. K. Warner, Head, Nuclear Technology Division, Australian Atomic Energy Commission; Mr C. A. Walters, Director, Finance,

Australian Atomic Energy Commission; Mr K. R. Vale, Assistant Director (Operations), Bureau of Mineral Resources, Department of National Develop­ ment. Senator Cotton submitted the following paper: Department of National Development— Explanations in respect of 1969-70 Items of Expenditure for which no Appropriation is sought in Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1970-71—

(Document A ). The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: j

D ivision 390— A d m in istr a tiv e . . . .

D ivision 392— N o rthern D ivision . . . .

D ivision 394— D ivision o f N ational M apping D ivision 396— Bureau o f M ineral R esources D ivision 398— F orestry and T im b e r B ureau . . D ivision 400— J o in t C oal B oard . . . .

D ivision 402— A ustralian A t o m ic E nergy C o m m issio n

2,599,400 490.000 4,128,000 17.082.000

1,696,800 513.000 11.948.000

Total: Department of National Development . . . . 38,457,200

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The Chairman called on Division 865, Department of National Development, $37,473,000— (Document B ).

The following particulars of proposed provision were considered: Division 865—Capital Works and Services

1. —Plant and Equipment . . .. . . . .

2. —For expenditure under the Snowy Mountains Hydro­ electric Power Act . . .. . . ..

3. —For expenditure under the Atomic Energy Act .. 4. —For expenditure under the River Murray Waters Act . . 5. —Australian Atomic Energy Commission—Repayable advance . . . . . . . . ..

6. —For expenditure under the Snowy Mountains Engineer­ ing Corporation Act .. .. .. ..

$

1.194.000

31,201,000 1.840.000 60,000

2.378.000

800,000

Total: Department of National Development . . 37,473,000

3. MINUTES: The Minutes of the meetings of 17 and 24 September 1970 were read and confirmed.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.1 p.m. till a day and hour to be fixed.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Marriott (Chairman), Senators Bishop, Cant, Lillico, D. B. Scott and Wriedt (6 ) .

Apology: Senator Branson.

On Leave: Senator Turnbull.

CONFIRMED

J. E. MARRIOTT

Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 4

TUESDAY, 20 OCTOBER 1970

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in Committee Room L.58 at 10 a.m.

2. MINUTES: The Minutes of the meeting of 15 October 1970 were read and confirmed.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDI­ TURE: The Chairman called on Divisions 350-368, Department of the Interior, $103,167,000. (Document A ) Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation; accompanied by Mr L. L. Gillespie, Assistant Secretary (Finance and Supply), Department of the Interior; Mr D. M. Lalor, Director (Expenditure and Costing), Department of the Interior; Mr B. H. Coughlin, Director (Northern Territory Finance), Department of

the Interior; Mr R. C. Burroughs, Finance Officer (Budgeting and Works Programming), Department of the Interior; Mr J. H. Marshall, Assistant Secretary (Facilities), Department of the Interior; Mr E. P. O’Brien, Executive Officer, Housing Branch, Department of the Interior; Mr C. H. Davis, Acting Assistant Secretary (Land Administration), Department of the Interior; Mr

T. F. Hopkinson, Director (Programming and Projects), Department of the Interior; Mr E. E. Payne, Assistant Secretary (Northern Territory Govern­ ment and Social Affairs), Department of the Interior; Mr G. L. Mansfield, Assistant Secretary (Northern Territory Development and Services), Depart­ ment of the Interior; Mr R. Crawley, Acting Assistant Secretary (Establish­ ments), Department of the Interior; Mr R. B. Lansdown, Associate Com­ missioner, National Capital Development Commission; Mr G. C. Shannon, Assistant Secretary, National Capital Development Commission; Mr K. A. Myers, Business Manager, National Capital Development Commission; and Mr K. J. Curtis, Principal Executive Officer, National Capital Development

Commission.

Senator Cotton made a short statement on the activities of the Department, and submitted the following paper:

Department of the Interior— Background Information for 1970-71 Esti­ mates; together with Background Information— Northern Territory; 1970-71 Estimates— Explanations for Variations; and five departmental publications.

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The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

D ivision 350— A d m in ist r a t iv e . . . . . .

D ivision 351— M in ist e r s and M e m b e r s o f P arlia m en t and O thers . . . . . . . . . .

D ivision 354— R e n t . . . . . . . .

D ivision 357— E lec to r a l B ranch . . . . . .

D ivision 358— C o m m o n w e a l t h Burea u o f M eteorology D ivision 360— N e w s and In fo r m a tio n Bu r ea u . .

D ivision 361— A ustra lia n W ar M em o ria l . . . .

D ivision 362— A ustra lia n C apital T er r ito r y Services D ivision 363— A u stra lia n C apital T erritory P olice . . D ivision 364— N ational C apital D e v e l o p m e n t C o m -

$

14.644.000

2,369,300 14,299,600 4,582,000 15.250.000

3,580,700 444,000 13.755.000 2,131,900

mission . . . . . . . . . . 2,190,000

D ivision 366— N orthern Territory Legislative Council 169,000 D ivision 368— N orthern Territory Services . . . . 103,167,000 The Chairman called on Division 855, Department of the Interior, $87,739,000. (Document B)

The following particulars of proposed provision were considered: $

D ivision 855— Capital Works and Services . . . . 87,739,000

The Chairman called on Division 752, Civil Defence, $780,800. (Document A )

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

D ivision 752— Civil D efence . . . . . .

$

780,800

(Sitting suspended from 12.45 to 4.25 p.m .)

The Chairman called on Division 210, Department of Customs and Excise, $28,112,000. (Document A )

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation; accom­ panied by Mr J. E. Walsh, Acting First Assistant Comptroller-General (Management and Technical Services), Department of Customs and Excise; Mr J. Cahill, Assistant Comptroller-General (By-law), Department of Customs

and Excise; Mr D. K. Campbell, Assistant Comptroller-General (Revenue), Department of Customs and Excise; Mr G. E. Sheen, Assistant Comptroller- General (Special Services), Department of Customs and Excise; Mr V. Montgomery, Assistant Comptroller-General (Inland Services), Department

of Customs and Excise; Mr J. T. O’Connor, Assistant Comptroller-General (General), Department of Customs and Excise; Mr D. G. Marshall, Assistant Comptroller-General (Tariff), Department of Customs and Excise; and Mr D. J. Roche, Acting Assistant Comptroller-General (Management Services),

Department of Customs and Excise.

Senator Cotton made a short statement on the activities of the Department, and presented the following paper: Department of Customs and Excise— Notes on Estimates 1970-71, together with Review of Activities 1969-70, and Organisation Chart (Central

Office).

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The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $

D i v i s i o n 210— A d m i n i s t r a t i v e .. . . .. 2,214,500

Total: Department of Customs and Excise . . . . 28,112,000

The Chairman called on Division 820, Department of Customs and Excise, $284,400. (Document B) The following particulars of proposed provision were considered: $

D ivision 820— Capital Works and Services . . . . 284,400

The Chairman called on Divisions 480-490, Department of Shipping and Transport, $83,900,000. (Document A ) Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister or Civil Aviation; accompanied by Mr K. J. Cosgrove, First Assistant Secretary, Department

of Shipping and Transport; Mr N. G. Jenner, Assistant Secretary (Sea Transport Policy), Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr T. Morehead, Assistant Secretary (Legislation and Liaison), Department of Shipping and

Transport; Mr K. A. Murton, Controller (Establishments and Finance), Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr E. H. Ballard, Chief Accountant, Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr R. F. McCormack, Secretary, Commonwealth Bureau of Roads; Mr K. Matthews, Chief Clerk, Common­ wealth Railways; and Mr S. Bolam, Works Officer, Commonwealth Railways.

Senator Cotton made a short statement on the activities of the Department, and submitted the following papers:

4 Department of Shipping and Transport— Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure 1970-71— Explanatory Notes for Senate Estimates Committee D.

Commonwealth Railways— Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure 1970-71 — Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

$

D ivision 480— A dministrative . . . . . . 8,282,000

D ivision 482— Commonwealth Bureau of R oads . . 636,000 1.— For expenditure under the Commonwealth Bureau of Roads Act Senator Branson having asked for information about the break-up of the proposed expenditure under this Division, further consideration was deferred till the next day of sitting of Estimates Committee D. $

D ivision 486— Shipbuilding D ivision . . . . 52,662,000

D ivision 490— Commonwealth Railways . . . . 22,320,000

Total: Department of Shipping and Transport . . .. 83,900,000

The Chairman called on Divisions 890-892, Department of Shipping and Transport, $30,827,000. (Document B)

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The following particulars of proposed provision were considered:

D iv is io n 8 9 0 — C a p it a l W o r k s a n d Se r v ic e s $

1. — V essels, P la n t a n d E q u ip m e n t . . . . . .

2 . — C o m m o n w e a lth R a ilw a y s— B u ild in g s, W o rk s, P la n t

5 0 0 ,0 0 0

an d E q u ip m e n t— 01. T ra n s -A u s tra lia n R a ilw a y . . . . . . 8 ,3 1 6 ,0 0 0

02. C e n tra l A u s tra lia R ailw ay . . . . . . 2 ,7 2 2 ,0 0 0

0 3 . N o rth A u s tra lia R a ilw a y . . . . . . 2 ,9 6 0 ,0 0 0

04. S eat of G o v e rn m e n t R ailw ay . . . . . . 2 3 2 ,0 0 0

05. P o r t A u g u sta to W h y alla R ailw ay . . . . 3 ,0 0 0 ,0 0 0

06. W o rk in g a d v a n c e (fo r p ay m en t to th e c re d it of th e

R ailw ay P la n t a n d S to res S uspense T ru s t A cc o u n t) 3 0 0 ,0 0 0

1 7 ,5 3 0 ,0 0 0

3. — Australian Coastal Shipping Commission— For expenditure under the Australian Coastal Shipping $

Commission Act . . . . . . . . 2,000,000

By resolution oj the Committee: Further consideration of the proposed provision under this sub-division was deferred till the next day of sitting of Estimates Committee D, to enable Senator Cotton to consult with the Minister for Shipping and Transport with

a view to the attendance of an officer of the Australian Coastal Shipping Commission to provide information concerning the Australian National Line. 4. — Wilson’s Promontory Lightstation— Contribution $ towards construction of access track . . . . 25,000

Total: Division 890 . . . . . . . . 20,055,000

D ivision 891— Payments to or for the States 1.— For expenditure under the Railway Standardization $ (South Australia) Agreement Act . . . . . . 700,000

2.— For expenditure under the Railway Agreement (Western Australia) Act . . . . .. . . 7,628,000

3. —Promotion of road safety practices .. . . 150,000

4. —Eyre and Barkly Highways—Contribution to mainten­ ance .. . . . . . . . · 64,000

5. —For expenditure on railway works in New South Wales 2,180,000

Total: Division 891 . . . . . . . · 10,722,000

D i v i s i o n 892—O t h e r S e r v i c e s . . .. .. 50,000

Total: Department of Shipping and Transport . . 30,827,000

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4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.43 p.m. till a day and hour to be fixed.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Marriott (Chairman), Senators Bishop, Branson, Cant, Lillico, D. B. Scott and Wriedt (7 ).

On leave: Senator Turnbull.

Senator Mulvihill also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CONFIRMED

J. E. MARRIOTT

Chairman

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1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in Committee Room L.17 at 11 a.m.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE: Consideration resumed of Division 482, Department of Shipping and Transport, $636,000.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accom­ panied by Mr N. G. Jenner, Assistant Secretary (Sea Transport Policy), Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr R. F. McCormack, Secretary, Commonwealth Bureau of Roads; Mr G. R. Andrew, Secretary, Australian

Coastal Shipping Commission; and Mr J. G. Meehan, Chief Accountant, Aus­ tralian Coastal Shipping Commission.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure (Document A) were considered: D ivision 482— Commonwealth Bureau of R oads 1.— For expenditure under the Commonwealth Bureau of $

Roads Act . . . . . . . . . . 636,000

Consideration resumed of Division 890, Subdivision 3, Department of Shipping and Transport, $2,000,000 (Document B)

The following particulars of proposed provision were considered: D ivision 890— Capital Works and Services 3.— Australian Coastal Shipping Commission— For expen­ diture under the Australian Coastal Shipping Commission $

Act . . . . . . . . . . 2,000,000

The following particulars of proposed expenditure (Document A) were further considered by the Committee: D ivision 482— Commonwealth Bureau of R oads 1.— For expenditure under the Commonwealth Bureau of $

Roads Act . . . . · ■ · · · · 636,000

3. REPLIES TO QUESTIONS ASKED AT PREVIOUS HEARINGS: It was agreed that replies which had been transmitted by Senator Cotton in writing be incorporated in the Hansard report of this day’s proceedings.

(Sitting suspended at 12.55 p.m. and resumed in Senate Committee Room L.22 at 2.15 p.m. in private session.) 81

4. MINUTES: The Minutes of the meeting of 20 October were read and confirmed.

5. REPORT TO THE SENATE: The Committee deliberated on the draft of its Report to the Senate which had been circulated. Paragraphs 1 to 4 agreed to without amendment. Paragraphs 5 and 6 agreed to with amendments.

Proposed new paragraph: Moved by Senator Cant, seconded by Senator Lillico: That the following paragraph be added to the Report: ‘The Committee recommends that consideration be given to procedures

that would permit all relevant expenditures, for example, rent or works and services items, to be considered along with the other expenditures for each department.’ The following amendment was proposed by Senator Bishop, and seconded by Senator Branson: That the following words be added to the proposed new paragraph:

‘ , but not so as to exclude them from examination in their present divisions’. Question put. The Committee divided—

Ayes Noes

Senator Bishop Senator Cant

Senator Branson Senator Lillico

Senator D. B. Scott Senator Wriedt Question resolved in the affirmative. Question— That the proposed new paragraph, as amended, be added to the Report—put. The Committee divided—

Ayes Noes

Senator Bishop Senator Cant

Senator Branson Senator Lillico

Senator D. B. Scott Senator Wriedt Question resolved in the affirmative. At Senator Cant’s request, it was agreed that it be recorded in the report that he had dissented from the amendment to the proposed new paragraph.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 3.35 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Marriott (Chairman), Senators Bishop, Branson, Cant, Lillico, D. B. Scott and Wriedt (7 ).

On Leave: Senator Turnbull. Senator Young also took part in the Committee’s proceedings.

CERTIFIED CORRECT

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Report and Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MEMBERS

Senator J. J. Webster (Chairman)

Senator D. N. Cameron

Senator F. P. McManus

Senator C. R. Maunsell

Senator the Hon. M. F. Scott

Senator Dame Ivy Wedgwood, D.B.E.

Senator L. D. Wilkinson

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

{Minister: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, D.F.C.)

D ocum ent* Page

D ivision N o.

D epartm ent A m ount

A 115-116 690-717 A ir . . . . . . . . . .

S

272,998,500

A 83-85 460-466 R e p atriatio n . . . . . . 329,237,400

B 13 885 R e p atriatio n . . . . . . . . 2,266,000

A 70-72 410-414 Prim ary In d u stry . . . . . . 77,867,000

B 13 875-876 Prim ary In d u stry . . . . . . 39,467,000

A 122 760 N a tio n a l Service— R u ra l O ccupations—

R e-establishm ent L o an s a n d V ocational T raining . . . . . . . . 554,000

A 112-114 660-688 A rm y . . . . . . . . 402,512,000

A 109-111 630-657 N avy . . . . . . . . 216,888,000

* D ocum ent A — ‘P articulars o f P roposed E xpenditure fo r the Service o f the Y e ar ending 30 June 1971’.

* D ocum ent B— ‘Particulars o f Proposed Provision for C ertain E xpenditure in respect o f the year ending 30 June 197Γ.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee E has the honour to present its Report to the Senate:

On 17 September 1970 the Senate referred to the Committee the Departmental Estimates for the year 1970-71 relating to the following Departments:

Air

Repatriation

Primary Industry

Army

Navy

The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Air and officers of the Departments concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and the Hansard report of the evidence are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1970-71 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1970-71.

The Senate’s attention is drawn to observations made by the Committee appearing in the Minutes of Proceedings of Tuesday, 20 October. {See end of Report).

J. J. WEBSTER

Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 1

THURSDAY, 17 SEPTEMBER 1970

1. The Committee met at 12.45 p.m.

2. CONSTITUTION OF COMMITTEE: The Secretary reported the appoint­ ment of the Committee as recorded in Journals of the Senate. No. 35 of 11 June 1970, and No. 41 of 19 August 1970.

3. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE: The entry in the Journals of the Senate No. 50 of 16 September 1970 recording the appointment of the following members to Estimates Committee E. was reported: Senators Cameron, Keeffe, McManus, Maunsell, M. F. Scott, Webster,

Dame Ivy Wedgwood and Wilkinson.

4 . ELECTION OF CHAIRM AN: Members were informed by the Secretary that under the terms of standing order 298 and in accordance with the Resolution of the Senate it should now proceed to the election of a Chairman. Nominations were invited and on a proposal by Senator Wilkinson, seconded by Senator McManus, Senator Webster was nominated. There being no further

nominations Senator Webster was unanimously elected. Senator Webster thereupon took the chair.

5. DISCUSSION OF PROCEDURE: A short discussion was conducted on the proposed procedures to be followed by the Committee in considering the estimates referred to it by the Senate. It was agreed that wherever possible a greater time would be allotted to the discussion of the more important Divisions of Expenditure than to the less important ones.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.00 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Cameron, McManus, Maunsell, M. F. Scott, Webster and Wilkinson (6).

CONFIRMED

J. J. WEBSTER

Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 2

THURSDAY, 24 SEPTEMBER 1970

Minutes of meeting held in Senate Committee Room L.58 on Thursday, 24 September 1970, commencing at 2.00 p.m.

Present:

Senator Webster— Chairman

Senator Cameron

Senator McManus

Senator M. F. Scott

Senator Devitt

Senator Maunsell

Senator Wedgwood

Senator Wilkinson

1. PRIVATE MEETING: The Committee discussed the introductory statement proposed to be given by the Chairman. The Committee noted that votes would not be taken during public consideration of the various items in the Estimates. However, questions may be put and votes taken during the Committee’s consideration of the final report to the Senate.

2. PUBLIC MEETING: The Chairman announced that he was in receipt of a letter from the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate appointing Senator Devitt to replace Senator Keeffe on Estimates Committee E.

Consideration of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure

Pursuant to the Order of Reference of the Senate dated 17 September 1970, the Committee commenced consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expen­ diture for the Service for the year ending 30 June 1971, and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending

30 June 1971 relating to the following departmental estimates:

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D ivision N o .

D e p artm en t A m ount

A 115-116 690-717 A ir . . . . . . .. . .

$

272,998,500

A 83-85 460-466 R ep atriatio n . . . . . . 329,237,400

B 13 885 R epatriation . . . . . . . . 2,266,000

A 70-72 410-414 Prim ary Ind u stry . . . . . . 77,867,000

B 13 875-876 Prim ary In d u stry . . . . . . 39,467,000

A 122 760 N ational Service— R u ra l O ccupations—

R e-establishm ent L o an s a n d V ocational T raining . . . . . . . . 554,000

A 112-114 660-688 A rm y . . . . . . . . 402,512,000

A 109-111 630-657 N avy . . . . . . . . 216,888,000

* D o c u m e n t A — ‘P a r t ic u la r s o f P r o p o s e d E x p e n d itu r e f o r t h e S e rv ic e o f t h e Y e a r e n d i n g 3 0 J u n e

1 9 7 1 ’.

* D o c u m e n t B — ‘P a r t ic u la r s o f P r o p o s e d P r o v is io n f o r C e r t a i n E x p e n d itu r e in r e s p e c t o f t h e y e a r

e n d i n g 3 0 J u n e 1 9 7 1 ’.

(i) Consideration of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Department of Air:— Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, Minister for Air, accompanied by Mr F. C. Sutherland, First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Logistics); Mr H. Pearlman, Chief Executive Officer (Budget and

Costing); Mr N. C. D. Allen, Assistant Secretary (Air) and Mr I. D. McLeod, Director of Budgets (B ), Department of Air. The Chairman called on Divisions 690-717, Department of Air, $272,998,500. (Document A )

Senator Drake-Brockman made a short statement to the Committee on the activities of his Department, and submitted the following Paper: Department of Air— Estimates of Expenditure 1970-71—Explantory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $

D i v i s i o n 690— R o y a l A u s t r a l i a n A i r F o r c e . . . . 92,376,000

D i v i s i o n 692— C i v i l P e r s o n n e l . . . . . . 15,780,500

D i v i s i o n 694— A d m i n i s t r a t i v e E x p e n s e s a n d G e n e r a l

S e r v i c e s . . . . . . . . . · 21,549,000

D i v i s i o n 696— F o r c e s O v e r s e a s . . . . . . 22,025,000

D i v i s i o n 698— A i r c r a f t a n d O t h e r E q u i p m e n t — R e p a i r

a n d O v e r h a u l . . . . . . . . · · 11,170,000

Discussion on this Division was deferred until the next day of sitting of Committee E when documents relating to the maintenance programme would be produced. (Following a question by Senator D evitt). $

D i v i s i o n 700— E q u i p m e n t a n d S t o r e s . . · · 54,143,000

D i v i s i o n 702— A i r c r a f t a n d A s s o c i a t e d I n i t i a l E q u i p ­

m e n t — P u r c h a s e , M a n u f a c t u r e a n d L e a s e . . · · 27,344,000

Under Control of Department of Housing D ivision 7 0 6 — Advances to States U nder the Common­ wealth and State Housing Agreement . . . . 4 ,0 1 6 ,0 0 0

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D ivision 707— A cquisition o f Sit e s and Buildings . . 182,000

D ivision 709— N ational Ca pita l D e v e l o p m e n t C o m ­ m ission . . . . . . . . . . 647,000

D ivision 710— R e n t . . . . . . . . 2,966,000

Under Control of Department of the Interior $

Under Control of Department of Works D i v i s i o n 716— B u i l d i n g s , W o r k s , F i t t i n g s a n d F u r n i t u r e 12,800,000

D i v i s i o n 717— R e p a i r s a n d M a i n t e n a n c e . . . . 8.000,000

(ii) Consideration of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Department of Repatriation: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman representing the Minister for Repatriation, accompanied by Mr R. Kelly, First Assistant Com­ missioner (Management Services) ; Mr R. Daffy, First Assistant Commissioner

(Benefits and Legislation); Mr C. A. Nettle, First Commissioner (Treatment Services); and Dr R. H. Coleman, Assistant Chief Director (Medical Services), Department of Repatriation.

The Chairman called on Divisions 460-466, Department of Repatriation, $329,237,400. (Document A )

Senator Drake-Brockman made a short statement to the Committee on the activities of the Department of Repatriation.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

$

D i v i s i o n 460— A d m i n i s t r a t i v e . . . . . . 15,743,500

D i v i s i o n 462— R e p a t r i a t i o n H o s p i t a l s a n d O t h e r I n s t i ­

t u t i o n s . . . . . . . . . . 33,951,400

D i v i s i o n 464— W a r a n d S e r v i c e P e n s i o n s a n d A l l o w ­

a n c e s . . . . . . . . . . . . 235,027,000

Senator Drake-Brockman undertook to provide information on the Com­ mittee’s next day of sitting in answer to a question by Senator Murphy on the future cost of World War II repatriation benefits, war service pensions and allowances and benefits arising out of the Vietnam war.

$

D i v i s i o n 466— O t h e r R e p a t r i a t i o n B e n e f i t s . . . . 44,515,500

The Chairman called on Division 885— Capital Works and Services, $2,266,000. (Document B)

(iii) Consideration of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Depart­ ment of Primary Industry:— Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockmon repre­ senting the Minister for Primary Industry, accompanied by: Mr D. P. Cleary, Director, Management Services Branch

Mr C. M. Beer, Senior Finance Officer Dr S. F. Harris, Director, Bureau of Agricultural Economics Mr J. F. O’Bryan, Assistant Secretary, Dairy Produce, Eggs and Special Projects Branch Mr A. J. Bennett, Acting Assistant Secretary, Grains and Miscellaneous

Crops Branch Mr J. L. Smith, Assistant Secretary, Export Inspection Branch

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Mr L. R. Kentwell, Assistant Secretary, Sugar and Fruit Branch Mr A. E. Wallace, Assistant Secretary, Wool and Meat Branch Mr F. M. Collins, Assistant Secretary, Agricultural Production Branch Mr A. C. Bollen, Assistant Secretary, Fisheries Division Mr R. A. Sherwin, First Assistant Secretary, Extension Services Division

Mr B. C. Barlow, Land Settlement Officer

The Chairman called on Divisions 410-414, Department of Primary Industry, $77,867,000. (Document A )

Senator Drake-Brockman made a short statement to the Committee on the activities of the Department of Primary Industry.

The following particular of proposed expenditure were considered: $

D i v i s i o n 410— A d m i n i s t r a t i v e . . . . . . 67,509,000

D i v i s i o n 410

Senator Drake-Brockman undertook to supply replies to questions by Senator Devitt on fishing and pollution and on devaluation payments. Senator Drake-Brockman undertook to supply further information on the allocation of funds for wheat research in response to a question by the Chairman.

D i v i s i o n 412— ADMINISTRATION OF THE COMMERCE ( T R A D E

DESCRIPTIONS) ACT. To be considered by the Committee.

A nd it being 6.00 p.m..

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

CONFIRMED

J. J. WEBSTER

Chairman

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 3 THURSDAY, 15 OCTOBER 1970

1. The Committee met at 2.15 p.m.

2. DEPARTMENT OF AIR: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake- Brockman, Minister for Air. Senator Drake-Brockman presented replies to questions asked by Senators Devitt and Wilkinson on September 24, 1970.

3. DEPARTMENT OF REPATRIATION: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, representing the Minister for Repatriation. Senator Drake-Brockman presented a reply to a question by Senator Murphy on 24 September.

4. DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, representing the Minister for Primary Industry, accompanied by:

Mr D. P. Cleary, Director, Management Services Branch; Mr C. M. Beer, Senior Finance Officer; Dr S. F. Harris, Director, Bureau of Agricultural Economics;

Mr J. F. O’Bryan, Assistant Secretary, Dairy Produce, Eggs and Special Projects Branch; Mr A. J. Bennett, Acting Assistant Secretary, Grains and Miscellaneous Crops Branch; Mr I. H. Smith, Assistant Secretary, Export Inspection Branch; Mr L. R. Kentwell, Assistant Secretary, Sugar and Fruit Branch;

Mr A. E. Wallace, Assistant Secretary, Wool and Meat Branch; Mr F. M. Collins, Assistant Secretary, Agricultural Production Branch; Mr A. G. Bollen, Assistant Secretary, Fisheries Division; Mr R. A. Sherwin, First Assistant Secretary, Extension Services Division; Mr B. C. Barlow, Land Settlement Officer;

Mr C. G. Setter, Assistant Secretary (Fisheries Branch); Mr L. Z. Jelinek, Chief Marketing Officer (Wool and Skin Section).

Senator Drake-Brockman presented replies to questions asked on 24 September by the Chairman and Senator Devitt.

The Chairman called on Divisions 412 and 414, Department of Primary Industry. (Document A)

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The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: D iv is io n 412— A d m i n i s t r a t i o n o f t h e C o m m e r c e ( T r a d e $

D e s c r i p t i o n s ) A c t . . . . . . .. 8,717,000

D iv is io n 414— B u r e a u o f A g r ic u l t u r a l E c o n o m ic s . . 1,641,000

The Chairman called on Divisions 875-876, Department of Primary Industry, $39,467,000. (Document B)

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $ D iv is io n 875— P a y m e n t s t o o r f o r t h e S t a t e s . . 5,867,000

D iv i s i o n 876— O t h e r S e r v ic e s . . . . . . 33,600,000

Senator Drake-Brockman undertook to supply replies to questions by Senator Wilkinson on allocation of funds to minor research projects.

5. DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY: Consideration of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman representing the Minister for the Army, accompanied by Mr K. W. Major, First Assistant Secretary (Establishment and General) and Mr J. W. Nunn, First Assistant

Secretary (Finance and Logistics).

The Chairman called on Divisions 660-688, Department of the Army, $402,512,000. (Document A)

Senator Drake-Brockman made a short statement to the Committee on the activities of the Department of the Army, and submitted the following paper:

Department of Army— Estimates of Expenditure 1970-71—-Summary of Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $ D iv is io n 660— A u s t r a l ia n M il it a r y F o r c e s . . . . 176,856,000

D iv is io n 662— C iv i l P e r s o n n e l . . . . . . 40,137,500

D iv is io n 664— A d m i n i s t r a t i v e E x p e n s e s a n d G e n e r a l

S e r v ic e s . . . . . . . . . . 42,410,500

D iv is io n 666— F o r c e s O v e r s e a s . . . . . . 21,846,000

D iv is io n 668— A r m s a n d E q u i p m e n t — R e p a ir s a n d

M a in t e n a n c e . . . . . . . . 6,942,000

D iv is io n 670— A r m s , A r m a m e n t a n d E q u i p m e n t . . 78,554,000

D iv is io n 672— S e r v ic e D w e l l i n g s — R e n t a l s . . . . —

D iv is io n 673— B u i l d in g s , W o r k s, F i t t i n g s a n d F u r n i t u r e 800,000

D iv is io n 675— R e p a ir s a n d M a in t e n a n c e . . . . 750,000

Under Control of Department of External Territories D iv is io n 681— A c q u i s i t i o n o f Si t e s a n d B u il d in g s . .

D iv is io n 682— R e n t . . . . . . . .

Under Control of Department of Housing D iv is io n 683— A d v a n c e s t o St a t e s U n d e r t h e C o m m o n ­ w e a l t h a n d S t a t e H o u s in g A g r e e m e n t . . . . 2,147,000

Under Control of Department of the Interior Division 6 8 4 — Acquisition of Sites and Buildings . . 2 ,0 2 3 ,0 0 0 Division 6 8 5 — R ent . . . . . . - - 3 ,8 5 5 ,0 0 0

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D iv is io n 687— B u il d in g s , W o r k s , F i t t i n g s a n d F u r n i t u r e 14,200,000 D iv is io n 688— R e p a ir s a n d M a i n t e n a n c e . . . . 12,000,000

T o t a l — D e p a r t m e n t o f t h e A r m y . . . . 402,512,000

6. DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY: Consideration of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman representing the Minister for the Navy, accompanied by Mr Μ. T. Hyland, First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Material) and Mr W. H. Boreham, Assistant Secretary

(Naval Staff).

The Chairman called on Divisions 630-657, Department of the Navy, $216,888,000. (Document A)

Senator Drake-Brockman made a short statement to the Committee on the activities of the Department of the Navy, and submitted the following paper:

Department of the Navy— Estimates of Expenditure 1970-71— Explanatory Notes.

Under Control of Department of Works $

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $

D ivision 630— A ustralian Naval Forces . . . .

D ivision 632— Civil Personnel . . . . . .

D ivision 634— A dministrative Expenses and General Services . . . . . . . . . .

(Moneys received from canteen tenancies and associated rentals may be credited to this Division).

D ivision 636— General Stores— H.M.A. Ships, F leet A uxiliaries and N aval Establishments . . . .

D ivision 638— Ships, A ircraft, Machinery and Plant- Repair and Other Charges . . . . . .

D ivision 640— Naval Construction . . . .

D ivision 642— A ircraft and A ssociated Initial Equip­ ment— Purchase and Manufacture . . . .

D ivision 644— Machinery and Plant for Naval Dock­ yards and E stablishments . . . . . .

D ivision 646— D efence R esearch and D evelopment . . D ivision 649— R ecoverable Expenditure f or Other Governments . . . . . . . . . .

63.841.000 39.626.000

15.824.000

4.405.000

12.535.000 13.554.000

880,000

3.568.000 200,000

1.862.000

Under Control of Department of Housing

D iv is io n 650— A d v a n c e s t o S t a t e s U n d e r t h e C o m m o n ­ w e a l t h a n d S t a t e H o u s in g A g r e e m e n t . . . . 1,876,000

Under Control of Department of the Interior Division 6 5 2— Acquisition of Sites and Buildings . . 3 3 ,0 0 0 D ivision 654— R ent . . . . ... . . 1 ,7 8 4 ,0 0 0

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D iv is io n 656— B u i l d in g s , W o r k s, F i t t i n g s a n d F u r n i t u r e 12,300,000

D iv is io n 657— R e p a ir s a n d M a i n t e n a n c e . . . . 4,600,000

Under Control of Department of Works $

T o t a l — D e p a r t m e n t o f t h e N a v y . . . . 216,888,000

Senator Drake-Brockman undertook to supply replies to questions by Senator Murphy at the next sitting of the Committee.

Senator Drake-Brockman agreed to provide details of the expenditure of Division 760— National Service— Rural Occupations— Re-establishment Loans and Vocational Training, $554,000 at the next sitting of the Committee.

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.47 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

8. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Cameron, McManus, Devitt, Maunsell, Webster and Wilkinson (6).

CONFIRMED

J. J. WEBSTER

Chairman

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TUESDAY, 20 O C TO B ER 1970

1. The Committee met at 4.30 p.m.

2. DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, representing the Minister for Primary Industry. Senator Drake-Brockman presented a reply to a question asked by Senator Wilkinson on Division 876, Item 04— Emergency assistance to woolgrowers—

on 15 October 1970.

Senator Drake-Brockman presented an explanatory note on Division 760— National Service— Rural Establishment Loans and Vocational Training in response to a query raised at the Committee’s meeting of 15 October 1970.

3. DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake- Brockman, representing The Minister for the Navy.

Senator Drake-Brockman presented replies to questions asked by Senator Murphy on 15 October 1970 concerning Division 636, Item 02 and Division 656.

Senator Drake-Brockman presented replies to a question asked by Senator Devitt on 15 October 1970 concerning service of naval personnel on HMAS Melbourne in Malaya in 1965.

The Minister and members of the Press and public withdrew.

4. DELIBERATIVE MEETING:

(i) Consideration of Report to The Senate.

After discussion the Committee noted that the Minister and the Departmental Representatives had provided very satisfactory answers to the questions put to them and that the proceedings of the Committee were recorded in Hansard. On the motion by Senator McManus seconded by Senator Maunsell the

Committee agreed that “the draft Report as circulated be adopted.”

(ii) General Discussion on Estimates Committees.

It was generally agreed that the type of procedure followed in The Estimates Committees was much preferable to the procedure followed in considering The Estimates in The Committee of The Whole. It was also agreed that the direct question and answer methods of the Estimates Committees were more efficient than the Committee of The Whole procedure.

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After discussion it was agreed:

(A ) that the physical facilities available in Parliament House for the meetings of the Committees and for the Departmental Officers waiting to be called were inadequate.

(B ) that the most efficient use be made of Departmental resources. It was considered wise that there be a short break after the examina­ tion of each Department to enable the next Department to be called. Wherever possible Departmental representatives should not be kept waiting for extended periods in the corridors of Parliament House.

(C ) that copies of Departmental Explanatory Notes on the Estimates be circulated to Committee members 2 or 3 days in advance of the meetings.

(D ) that it was essential, in the interests of the efficiency of proceedings, for Committee Members to be well prepared to present their questions at the time the item of expenditure is considered.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.30 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Cameron, Devitt, Maunsell, McManus, M. F. Scott, Webster, Dame Ivy Wedgwood and Wilkinson (8).

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