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THE PARLIAMENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA

1971-Parliamentary Paper No. 220

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEES A, B, C, D and E

REPORTS TO THE SENATE

ON

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES 1971-72

Brought up and orde red

to be printed 23 and 30 November and 1 December 1971

COMMON WEALTH GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE CANBERR A: 1972

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ESTIMATES COMMITIEE A

REPORT TO 1HE SENATE

Estimates Committee A has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

On 16 September 1971, the Senate referred to the Committee the Estimates for the year 1971-72 relating to the following: The Department of Health, The Parliament,

The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, The Department of the Treasury, The Department of Defence. The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received satisfactory and detailed explanations of them from the Minister for Health, Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson (and, during his unavoidable absence, from the

Assistant Minister assisting the Minister for Health, Senator the Hon. J. E. Marriott) and officers of the Departments concerned. Subsequent to the hearing of evidence and in accordance with undertakings given by the Minister and the Assistant Minilster during the hearings, further information was forwarded to

the Committee in reply to specific questions raised during the proceedings. Copies of the three documents containing this further information are included as an Appendix to this Report. During the course of the Committee's proceedings, some particular matters

were raised by individual Senators, but as an examination of the accompanying Hansard shows, the Committee was of the opinion that these might more properly be raised and considered during the debate on the Appropriation Bills in Com­ mittee of the Whole.

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings is tabled with this Report for the information of the Senate, together with the Hansard reports of the evidence. The Committee records its appreciation of the assistance given by the Minis­ ter, the Assistant Minister and the officers of the various departments whose esti­ mates the Committee considered.

November 1971

R. G. WITHERS Chairman

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APPENDIX

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Dear Senator Withers,

Minister for Health, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 27 October 1971

I refer to the hearing of Estimates Committee 'A' on 7 October 1971, and submit, as promised, answers to the following questions:

QUESTION by Senator Murphy Under what statutory authority is assistance given to : (a) the New South Wales Baptist Home Trust toward the cost of construct­ ing Marling Lodge Nursing Home at Red Hill in the Australian Capital

Territory; and (b) the Little Company of Mary?

ANSWER Since the Commonwealth is responsible for all matters in the Territories it will be understood that the provision of medical and nursing facilities in the Australian Capital Territory comes solely within Commonwealth administration. The financial assistance towards the construction of the Marling Lodge Nursing Home and Calvary Hospital which will be conducted

by the Little Company of Mary, was in accordance with Government policy and the relevant appropriations were passed by Parliament.

QUESTION by Senator Douglas McClelland Is it possible to give us an idea of the rise that has occurred in infant mortality (in the Northern Territory)?

ANSWER See attached schedule giving statistics for the years 1967 to 1970.

QUESTION by Senator Douglas McClelland What will be the size of the medical staff (at the Gove District Hospital in the Northern Territory)?

ANSWER The existing and proposed staff for the Gove District Hospital is as follows :

Proposed

Proposed at when

Category Existing 1 January Hospital is

1972 Completed

in mid 1972

Medical .. . . .. . . . . . . 3 3 4

N urs ing . . . . .. . . . . .. 9 11 49

Paramedical . . . . . . . . .. 1 1 3

Industrial . . .. .. . . .. 6 6 30

Orderlies . . . . . . . . . .. 1 1 4

Administrative . . .. .. . . .. 3 6 10

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The other question raised by the Committee in relation to research work on tropical medicine and water viruses will be the subject of a separate letter.

Senator R. G. Withers, Chairman, Senate Estimates Committee A, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely, KEN ANDERSON

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

NORTHERN TERRITORY ABORIGINAL INFANT MORTALITY RATE (Deaths in the first twelve months of life per one thousand live births)

'

I 1967 1968 1969

Northern Division . . . . .. 104 .8 75.0 98.5

Southern Division .. . . . . 94 .9 90.4 88.8

1970

70.1 !81 .8

Total Northern Territory .. 101.2 80.9 94.7 115.1

Infant mortality for all ethnic groups in the Northern Territory as a whole has varied as follows-

1967 1968 1969 1970

Mortality Rate . . .. . . 63 .5 48.5

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45.3 48 .0

Actual number of deaths . . .. 122 101 103 126

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Leader of the Government in the Senate, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T.

4 November 1971

Dear Senator Withers, During the Estimates Committee A sittings on Tuesday, 26 October, dealing with the Division 459, Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, Senator D. McClelland asked, 'Are these funds subject to audit by the Auditor-General?'

A comment was made by Senator Georges which was not relevant to the point to what I desired to refer to and then the Chairman said, 'I understand that the gentleman at the table is a Treasury official who may be able to help Senator Marriott'.

Senator Marriott then said, 'My advice is that the Auditor-General's Depart­ ment does not audit the A.S.1 .0 . accounts. My advice, which I repeat, is that it is accountable to Treasury.'

I have now been informed by the Department of the Treasury that the answer given by Senator Marriott on the advice of the Treasury official present at that time was not completely accurate and I therefore desire to give the corrected information to your Committee as supplied to me by the First Assistant Secretary

of Treasury, Mr D. J. Hill. The corrected answer as supplied to me is as follows : 'The accounts of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation are audited by the Auditor-General under arrangements agreed in 1949 between

the then Prime Minister and Treasurer and the then Auditor-General. These arrangements provide for a normal audit of transactions and include as part of that audit the provision of a certificate by the Director-General of Security in respect of a minor portion of the expenditure and by the responsible Minis­

ter certifying that that portion of the expenditure was properly made in the interests of the Public Service. The Auditor-General accepts these certificates in completion of his audits. This arrangement is patterned on the British prac­ tice, dating back to the late 19th Century.'

I also understand that during the proceedings of the Committee on Tuesday, Senator Gietzelt asked a question relating to certain costs associated with the conduct of the population census in 1966 and 1971. As the inform ation was not available at the time and on your request, as Chairman, the information is now

supplied and is set out hereunder: 1966-67 (Actual) $

Salaries and Wages of Processing Staff Payments to Field Staff 1,138,267 1,845 ,327 The increases between the two censuses may be attributed to :

(i) The increase in the population over the five-year period; (ii) Increases in the level of wages and salaries ; and

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1971-72 (Est.) $

2,204,000 2,934,000

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(iii) Some expansion of the number of questions asked in the 1971 Census resulting in an increase in processing resources required. Along with this letter I am enclosing the appropriate number of copies so that you may, if you desire, forward copies of this letter to the various Senate members of Estimates Committee A.

Senator R. G. Withers, Chairman, Senate Estimates Committee A, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely, KEN ANDERSON

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DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET

ADDITIONAL STATEMENT FOR SENATE ESTIMATES

COMMITIEE A

When Division 432 'Conveyance of Governor-General, Ministers of State and Others by R.A.A.F. and Civil Aviation Aircraft' was under consideration Senator McClelland drew attention to the comparison the Auditor-General made in his Report for the year ended 30 June 1971 on the flying hour rates for V.I.P. air­

craft used during 1969-70 and 1970-71. These were:

Aircraft 1969-70 1970-71

$ s

BAC1-ll 707 485

Mystere 458 442

HS748 192 174

Senator McClelland inquired whether the formula used for the calculation of the hourly rates had been changed in view of the significant variation in the rates for the BAC1-11. A check with the Department of Air has revealed that there has been no

change in the formula on which flying hour costs are calculated. The substantial variation in the hourly rate for the BAC1 -11 arose primarily from the com­ ponent in the 1969·-70 rate for spares and oxygen being assessed in advance of the acquisition of spares. Actual experience during 1969-70 led to a more

realistic component being incorporated into the 1970-71 rate. It is mentioned that the component for spares and oxygen in the 1971-72 rate for the BAC1-ll has increased by less than 1 per cent on the 1970-71 figure. Senator McClelland also sought information on the adjustment made to the

salary of staff of the Australian High Commission, United Kingdom, in respect of cost of living. The salaries of Australia-based staff are the same as those paid to officers of similar classification in the Commonwealth Public Service in Aus­ tralia. Commonwealth Public Service salaries are varied by determinations of the

Public Service Arbitrator. The salaries of locally-engaged staff in the United Kingdom are based on the salaries paid to equivalent classifications in the British Civil Service. British Civil Service salary rates are subject to annual review by the United Kingdom Civil Service Department. Australia-based staff are paid, in

addition to salary, a 'local' allowance which is assessed by the Public Service Board and is designed to compensate officers transferred from Australia for the additional costs they have to meet in living in the United Kingdom. In the past, local allowance has been reviewed every three years but in future reviews at two-yearly intervals are planned. The Board iSsued its most recent determination

on local allowances on 20 October 1971 following a visit to the United Kingdom of one of its senior officers in mid-1971 . The local allowance now stands at $2,350 per annum for a Class 6 officer ranging up to $3,090 per annum for a Class 11 officer. These figures were previously $1,860 and $2,370 respectively

and had been fixed at those levels in November 1969.

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In the course of verbal evidence on Division 434/1/01, the Committee was given the composition of the average employment figure of 47 mep.tioned in the written explanations provided to the Committee. The staff of the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate was stated as three. This figure was the number of staff on Senator Murphy's staff at the time the Estimates were compiled. The approved establishment for his office is four positions, one of which was vacant. For the purposes of the Estimates, allowance was made for this vacancy to be filled during the year. In addition the salaries of the staff of the Government Public Relations Office are paid from this vote-there are four positions all of which are occupied.

These were not included with the Opposition Leaders, Whips, etc., mentioned in the evidence. The composition of the average employment of 47 is repeated below for ease of reference:

Prime Minister's Office 12

Leader of the Opposition in the House of Representatives 7 Deputy Leader of the Opposition-House of Repre-sentatives 5

Leader of the Opposition in the Senate . . 4

Deputy Leader of the Opposition in the Senate 3

Leader of the D.L.P. 3

Government Whip--House of Representatives 2

Opposition House of Representatives 2 *

Country Party Whip--House of Representatives 1

Government 1

Opposition 1 *

Secretary, Federal Parliamentary Labor Party 1

Rt Hon. A A Calwell 1

Government Public Relations Office . . 4

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* Each Opposition Whip has one full-time staff and one additional staff employed only during Parliamentary sessions. For Estimates purposes these two part-time staff are counted as the equivalent of one full-time person. For convenience the Whip in the House of Representatives has been shown with a staff of two and in the Senate one. The literal position is H each.

During the discusions on this vote the query was raised whether any additional requests for staff had been made since the Estimates were compiled. At the time the answer was given that there had been none. It should be noted, however, that from this vote the salaries of Mr Gorton's staff will be paid. When the Estimates were compiled Mr Gorton's staff were covered by the Estimates of the Department of Defence. Since his change of status, approval has been given for him to have a staff of three, up to the end of December 1971, and four thereafter. Funds for the salaries of these staff will be sought in the Additional Estimates

under this vote.

27 October 1971

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.9

THURSDAY, 7 OCTOBER 1971 1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10.50 a.m.

2. REFERENCE OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE TO ESTIMATES COMMITTEES: The Resolution of the Senate of 16 September 1971 relating to the reference of the Estimates by the Senate to the Estimates Committees was reported to the Committee.

3. MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE: Entries in the Journals of the Senate of 28 and 29 September 1971 and 5 and 6 October 1971 recording variations in the appointment of the members to Estimates Committee A were reported, the membership of the Committee now being: Senators Gair, Georges, Gietzelt, Guilfoyle, Jessop, Douglas McClelland,

Prowse and Withers.

4. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN : On the motion of Senator Guilfoyle, Senator Withers was elected Chainnan of the Committee.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until 2.15 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following Members of the Committee were present: Senators Gietzelt, Guilfoyle, Prowse and Withers.

R. G. WITHERS

Chairman

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3J 3

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 10 THURSDAY, 7 OCTOBER 1971 1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m. The Chairman (Senator

Withers) took the Chair. 2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE : Pursuant to the Order of the Senate, the Committee proceeded to consider the particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending

30 June 1972, relating to the following departmental estimates:

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Document* Page D ivision Department Amount

No.

$

A 45 -47 290-294 Health . . . . .. . . 44,832,000

B 8 840-842 Health . . . . . . .. 4,370,000

A 7-9 101-109 Parliament . . . . . . .. 4,829,000

B 5 800 Parliament . . . . . . .. 22,100

A 77-82 430-459 Prime Minister and Cabinet . . . . 28,521,000

B 14 880 Prime Minister and Cabinet . . .. 16,300

A 99-101 540-552 Treasury . . . . .. . . I 03,984,000

B 17 9.!5 -917 Treasury . . . . .. . . 16.464,000

A 102 560 Advance to the Treasurer . . . . 25,000,000

B I 17 920 Advance to the Treasurer .. . . 25,000,000 A I

109-110 600-626 Defence . . . . . . . . 25 ,048,000

* Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year endi ng 30 June 1972'. * Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Cc:rtai n Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 J une !972'.

The Chairman called on Divisions 290-294 and Division 842 Department of Health, $44,832,000, and $4,370,000. Appearing: The Minister for Health (Senator the Hon. Sir Kenneth Anderson), accompanied by the following representatives of the Department

of Health-Sir William Refshauge, Director-General, Mr D. G. Dunlop, First Assistant Director-General (Management Services) , Mr L. J. Daniels, First Assistant Director-General (Health Insurance Benefits Division) , Dr D . B. Travers, Acting First Assistant Director-General (National Health Division), Dr D. A. M. Walshe, Assistant Director-General (Therapeutic Substances Branch) , Mr R. E. Wilson, Assistant Director-General

(Pharmaceutical Services Branch) , Mr R. W. Gee, Assistant Director­ General (Animal Quarantine Branch), Mr R. H. Searle, Assistant Director­ General (A.D.P. Branch) , Mr R. Walton, Acting Assistant Director­ General (Establishments and Finance Branch) , Mr J. 0 . Smith, Principal

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Plant Quarantine Officer, Mr P. Griffin, Chief Accountant, Mr G. F. Bunfield, Estimates Officer, Mr W. G. May, Principal Executive Officer (A.C.T. Health Services), Mr H. Harrison, Assistant Director

(Administration and Finance, Northern Territory Health Services ). Treasury representatives: Mr F. V. Colvin, Acting Chief Finance Officer, Mr A. L. Ray, Senior Finance Officer. The following Divisions were considered by the Committee:

Division 290-Administrative Division 292-Australian Capital Territory Health Services . . Division 294-Northern Territory Health Services Division 840-Capital W arks and Services

Division 842-Payments to or for the States

26,370,100 6,858,400 11,603,500 2,080,000

2,290,000

The Chairman then called on Divisions 101-109, and Division 800, Parlia­ ment, $4,829,000 and $22,100. Appearing with the Minister: Mr J. R. Odgers, Clerk of the Senate, Mr H. G. Smith, Usher of the Black Rod, Mr R. Mair, Administrative Officer,

Department of the Senate, Mr M. J. Brudenall, Chief Reference Librarian, Parliamentary Library, Mr H. Knight, Finance Officer, Library; Mr W. J . Bridgman, Principal Parliamentary Reporter, Parliamentary Reporting Staff, Mr F. Temperley, Administrative Officer, Parliamentary Reporting

Staff, Mr R. Burrell, Chief Executive Officer, Joint House Department. The following Divisions were considered by the Committee:

Division 101--Senate Division 102-House of Representatives Division 103-Parliamentary Reporting Staff Division 1 04-Library Division 105-Joint House Department

$

929,000 1,167,000 978,000 733,000

934,000

Division lOS-Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works . . 41 ,000

Divi sion 109-Joint Committee of Public Accounts 47,000

Division 800-Capital Works and Services 22,100

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.53 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present : Senator R. G. Withers (Chairman) , Senators Gair, Georges, Gietzelt, Guilfoyle, Jessop, D. McClelland an d Prowse.

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R. G. WITHERS Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 11

TUESDAY, 26 OCTOBER 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.45 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Withers) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE : The Chairman called on Divisions 430-459, and Division 880, Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, $28,521 ,000 and $16,300.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. J . E. Marriott, the Assistant Minister assisting the Minister for Health, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet-Me P. H. Bailey, Deputy Secretary; Mr J. G. Hinton, Acting Director

(Establishments and Finance Branch); Mr W. N. Weidner, Finance Officer; Mr J. K. Lawrence, First Assistant Auditor-General (Policy and Special Investigations); Mr D. W. Burdett, Acting Controller (Finance and Administration), Auditor-General's Office; Mr H . B. McDonald, Secretary, Public Service Board; and Mr R. N. Allen, Senior Inspector, Public Service Board.

Treasury representative: Mr A MeG. Finch, Chief Finance Officer. The following Divisions were considered by the Committee:

$

Division 430--Administrative 3,376,200

Division 432--Conveyance of Governor-General, Ministers of State and others 5y R.A.A.F. and Civil Aviation aircraft 950,000

Division 434-Ministers of State, Leaders of the Opposition and Parliamentary Parties and Staffs . . 828,500

Division 436--High Commissioner's Office-United King-dom 6,601,600

Division 440-0fficial Establishments 542,800

Division 442-Govemor-General's Office 132,100

Division 450--Commonwealth Grants Commission 109,500

Division 454-Auditor-General's Office 4,332,000

Division 456--Public Service Board . . 7,278,300

Division Security Intelligence Organization 4,370,000

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The Chairman then called on Divisions 540-552 and 560, and Divisions 915-917, and 920, Department of the Treasury, $103,984,000, $25,000,000, $16,464,000 and $25,000,000.

Appearing with the Assistant Minister: Mr C. F. Grant, Director (Establishments and Finance), Department of the Treasury; Mr D. V. Moye, Chief Finance Officer; and Mr K. F. Corbitt, Finance Officer; Mr K. F. A. Myers, First Assistant Commissioner

(Management), Taxation Office; Mr E. R. Marriott, Director (Establish­ ments), Taxation Office, Mr D. D. Hume, Director, Office of the Super­ annuation and Defence Forces Retirement Benefits Boards; Mr J. G. Miller, Acting Deputy Commonwealth Statistician; Mr F. D. Bagley, Assistant

Statistician (Services).

The following Divisions were considered by the Committee :

Division 540-Administrative Division 546-Commonwealth Taxation Office Division 548-Taxation Boards of Review Division 550-0ffice of the Superannuation and Defence

Forces Retirement Benefits Boards .. Division 552-Bureau of Census and Statistics Division 560-Advance to the Treasurer Division 9'15-Capital Works and Services Division 917-Payments to or for the States Division 920-Advance to the Treasurer

$

10,217,500 63,699,000 61,700

2,254,500 27,751,300 25,000,000 10,117,600

6,346,400 25,000,000

The Chairman then called on Divisions 600-626, Department of Defence, $25,048,000.

Appearing with the Assistant Minister: The following officers of the Depart-ment of Defence--Mr L. V. Hume, Acting First Assistant Secretary (Manpower Policy and Management Services Division); Mr R. W. Beaver, Assistant Secre­

tary (Management Services Branch); Mr D. S. Clues, Assistant Secre­ tary (External Programmes and Standardisation Branch, Logistics Division); Brigadier R. K. Roseblade, Director-General of Recruiting; Mr R. W. Law-Smith, Chief Executive Officer (Defence Planning

Division); Mr R. Anderson, Acting Chief Executive Officer, (Services Pay and Conditions Section, Manpower Policy and Services Personnel Branch); Mr R. L. Jones, Principal Executive Officer (Programme Management Branch, Programme Management and Defence Facilities

Division); Mr J. A. Huggins, Senior Executive Officer (Management Services Branch) ; Mr H . F. Daly, Executive Officer (Management Services Branch). ·

Treasury representative: Mr A. MeG. Finch, Chief Finance Officer. The following Divisions were considered by the Committee:

Division 600-Administrative Division 602-Recruiting Campaign

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$

14,163,100 1,786,200

Division 604-Plant and Equipment Division 606-South-East Asia Treaty Organization Military Planning Office-Contribution Towards Cost Division 608-Defence Aid for Malaysia Division 609-Defence Aid for South Vietnam Division 610-Defence Aid for Singapore Division 616-Rent Division 625-Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture Division 626-Repairs and Maintenance

$

321 ,000

26,700 3,720,000 3,500,000 540,000

360,000 349,000 282,000

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.58 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed .

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Withers (Chairman) , Senators Gair, Georges, Gietzelt, Guilfoyle, Jessop, D. McClelland and Prowse.

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R.G. WITHERS Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 12 THURSDAY, 11 NOVEMBER 1971 1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2 p.m.

2. MINUTES: The minutes of the meetings held on 7 and 26 October were read and confirmed.

3. REPORT OF 1HE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered a Draft Report to the Senate. The Draft Report was agreed to, in the form proposed.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 2.15 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Withers (Chairman), Senators Gietzelt, Guilfoyle, Jessop and Prowse.

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R. G. WITHERS Chairman

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

1. Estimates Committee B has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

2. On 16 September 1971 the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the year 1971-72 relating to the following Departments-Attorney-General's

Postmaster-General's Immigration Social Services Environment, Aborigines and the Arts. 3. The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received explana­ tions of them from the Ministers and officers of the Departments. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate, in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1971-72 and the Appropriation Bill (No.2) 1971-72.

4. In addition, the Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following:

There appeared to the Committee to be a lack of understanding by officers of the Broadcasting Control Board and the Australian Broadcasting Commission of the accountability to Parliament of Statutory Corporations. The Committee is of the opinion that whilst it may be argued that these bodies are not accountable through the responsible Minister of State to Parliament for day to day operations, Statutory Corporations may be called to account by Parliament itself at any time

and that there are no areas of expenditure of public funds where these corpora­ tions have a discretion to withhold details or explanations from Parliament or its Committees unless the Parliament has expressly provided otherwise. The Committee's examination of the proposed expenditure by the Australian Broadcasting Commission was hampered by a lack of officers with sufficient authority and information to reply adequately to questions asked by Senators.

Whilst recognising that the Department of the Environment, Aborigines and the Arts is a newly established Department and obviously some reasonable time is necessary to obtain full efficiency, the Committee, in its examination of the Estimates of the Department, found that there was a considerable degree of confusion, lack of information and slow progress in reaching establishment in certain areas, particularly the section dealing with the environment.

5. Subject to the foregoing comments, the Committee records its appreciation of the explanations provided and the co-operation it received from the Ministers , the Attorney-General, Senator the Honourable I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., and the Minister for Civil Aviation, Senator the Honourable R. C. Cotton, and Officers of their Departments during the inquiry, particularly in relation to the preparation and speedy supply of detailed information sought by Senators.

November 1971

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P. E. RAE

Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 10

THURSDAY, 7 OCTOBER 1971 1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.30 p.m.

2. REFERENCE OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1971-72: The Resolution of the Senate of 16 September 1971 referring the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1971-72 to Estimates Committees for examination and report was reported to the Committee.

3. MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE: Entries in the Journals of the Senate of 28 September, 29 September and 5 October 1971 relating to altera­ tions in membership of Estimates Committees were reported to the Committee. Estimates Committee B to consist of the following members-

Senators Bonner, Byrne, Davidson, Lawrie, McAuliffe, James McClelland, Mulvihill and Rae.

4. RESIGNATION OF CHAIRMAN: The Secretary announced the receipt of a letter from Senator Davidson resigning as Chairman of Estimates Committee B.

5. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Davidson, Senator Rae was elected Chairman of the Committee.

Senator Rae thereupon took the Chair

6. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: Discussion ensued upon the method of considering the Divisions of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure referred to the Committee.

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned to a quarter to three p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed .

8. ATIENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bonner, Davidson, Lawrie, McAuliffe, James McClelland, Mulvihill and Rae.

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P. E. RAE

Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 11

TUESDAY, 26 OCTOBER 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.50 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Rae) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT: A ppearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Attorney-General, accompanied by: Mr Yuill, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Executive 'A', Attorney­

General's Department; Mr Bennett, First Assistant Secretary, Executive 'B', Attorney-General's Department;

Mr Sainsbury, Senior Assistant Secretary, Management and Executive Services Division, Attorney-General's Department; Mr Jenkins, Director 'B ' Section, Management Services Branch, Attorney-General's Department;

Mr Geary, Senior Finance Officer, Attorney-General's Department; Mr Ewens, First Parliamentary Counsel, Office of Parliamentary Counsel; Mr Quayle, Second Parliamentary Counsel, Office of Parliamentary Counsel; Mr Collings, Assistant Commissioner, Office of the Commissioner of Trade

Practices.

Paper: Senator Greenwood submitted the following paper: Attorney-General's Department-Explanation of Departmental Estimates for year 1971-72. The Chairman called upon the following Divisions:

Divisions 130-144-Attorney-General's Department (Document A) Divisions 805-807-Attorney-General's Department (Document B) The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Division 130-Administrative Division 131-0ffice of Parliamentary Counsel Division 132-Reporting Branch Division 133-Crown Solicitor's Offices Division 134-High Court .. Division 136-Bankruptcy Administration Division 13 ?-Conciliation and Arbitration

Division 138-Patent, Trade Marks and Designs Offices

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$

3,307,400 334,600 958,900 2,856.000

434,200 1,499,500 1,429,500 3,441 ,800

Division 139-Legal Service Bureaux-$208,700, being considered by the Committee.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.00 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed .

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bonner, Byrne, Davidson, Lawrie ,McAuliffe, J. McClelland, Mulvihill and Rae (8). Senators Cant, Laucke and Murphy als o took part in the Committee's

proceedings.

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P. E . RAE

Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 12 TUESDAY, 2 NOVEMBER 1971

1. PRIVATE MEETING: The Committee met at 4.30 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Rae) took the Chair.

2. PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee discussed progress in the consideration of estimates referred to it by the Senate and the conduct of future meetings.

3. PUBLIC MEETING-CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR 1HE ATTORNEY -GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT RESUMED: Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Attorney-General, accompanied by:

Mr Yuill, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Executive 'A', Attorney­ General's Department; Mr Bennett, First Assistant Secretary, Executive 'B', Attorney-General's Department; Mr Sainsbury, Senior Assistant Secretary, Management and Executive

Services Division, Attorney-General's Department; Mr Jenkins, Director 'B' Section, Management Services Branch, Attorney-General's Department; Mr Geary, Senior Finance Officer, Attorney-General's Department; Mr Ewens, First Parliamentary Counsel, Office of Parliamentary Counsel; Mr Quayle, Second Parliamentary Counsel, Office of Parliamentary

Counsel; Mr Collings, Assistant Commissioner, Office of the Commissioner of Trade Practices.

Paper: Senator Greenwood produced replies to questions asked by members at the meeting held on 26 October 1971. It was resolved that the replies be incorporated in the Hansard Record of Proceedings. Oral replies to Questions: Senator Greenwood gave oral replies to other

questions which had been asked by members during the meeting on 26 October 1971. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 139:_Legal Service Bureaux

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$

208,700

Division 140--0ffice of the Commissioner of Trade Prac-tices Division 141--Commonwealth Police Force Division 142-Australian Police College

Division 143-Australian Capital Territory Courts and Registration Offices Division 144-Northern Territory Courts and Registration Offices

Document B

Division 80S--Capital Works and Services Division 807-0ther Services

$

706,000 7,632,700 164,100

778,600

502,000

1,326,600 2,500

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Attorney-General's Depart­ ment concluded.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accompanied by: Mr G. C. Watson, First Assistant Secretary, Migrant Services Division;

Mr A. L. Barclay, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch; Mr T. T. McElroy, Director of Finance and General Services, Management Services Branch; Mr R. U. Metcalfe, Assistant Secretary, Operations Branch;

Mr E. L. Charles, Assistant Secretary, Integration Branch; Mr W. G. Kiddie, Assistant Secretary, Entry Policy Branch; Mr H. E. Keen, Acting Director, Information Branch; Mr W. E. Law, Director, Migrant Accommodation Section.

Treasury Official: Mr A. M. Finch.

Paper: Senator Cotton submitted the following paper : Statement for Senate Estimates Committee B­ Department of Immigration Estimates 1971-72.

The Chairman called upon the following Divisions: Divisions 330, 332-Department of Immigration (Document A) Divisions 850, 852-Department of Immigration (Document B)

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 330-Administrative Division 332-0verseas Service

Document B Division 850-Capital Works and Services .. Division 852-Payments to or for the States .. Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of concluded.

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$

58,261,000 8,025,000

2,050,000 380,000 Immigration

5. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES: Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Attorney-General, accompanied by:

Mr R. G . Williams, First Assistant Director-General (Management); Mr K. W. Kelly, Assistant Director-General (Planning and Research) ; Mr K. T. Kimball, Assistant Director-General (Operations) ; Mr P. Shine, Assistant Director-General (Rehabilitation); Mr C. Calvert, Director (Finance); Mr A. F. Sykes, Director (Establishments and Services); Mr J. A. Lucas, Director (Aged Persons Homes). Treasury Official: Mr A. M. Finch.

Paper: Senator Greenwood submitted the following paper: Explanatory Notes for Estimates of Receipts and Expenditure Year Ending 30 June 1972.

The Chairman called upon the following Divisions: Division 500--Department of Social Services (Document A) Divisions 900, 901-Department of Social Services (Document B)

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A Division

Document B Division 900-Capital Works and Services Division 901-Payments to or for the States

$

51,118,000

90,000 540,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Social Services concluded.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.06 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bonner, Byrne, Davidson, Lawrie, McAuliffe, J . McClelland, Mulvihill and Rae ( 8) .

Senator Murphy also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

P. E. RAE

Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 13 TUESDAY, 23 NOVEMBER 1971 1. MEETING: The Committee met at 8.00 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Rae)

took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE POSTMASTER-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Attorney-General.

Paper: Senator Greenwood submitted the following paper: 1971-72 Estimates of the Postmaster-General's Department-Explanations. Order for Consideration of Votes under the Postmaster-General's Department:

It was resolved that the proposed expenditure for the Postmaster-General's Department be considered in the following order:

1. Australian Boardcasting Control Board Document A-Division 405, Sub-division 1-$2,185,000 Document B- Division 872, Sub-division 4- $205,000

2. Australian Broadcasting Commission Document A-Division 405 , Sub-division 2-$58,000,000 Document B-Division 872, Sub-division 2- $2,600,000 Document B-Division 872, Sub-division 3- $90,000

3. Postmaster-General's Department

Broadcasting and Television Technical Services

Document A-Division 405, Sub-division 3-$13,970,000 Document B-Division 872 , Sub-division 1- $2,930,000

Capital Works and Services

Document B- Division 870-$255,000,000

The Chairman called upon th e following Divisions:

Division 405, Sub-division ]-Australian Broadcasting Control Board (Document A) Division 872, Sub-division 4-Australian Broadcasting Control Board (Document B)

The Attorney-G eneral introduced the officers accompanying him for the consideration of the proposed expenditure as follows: Mr J. A. McNamara, Secretary, Australian Broad casti ng Control Board: Mr B. J . Connolly, Assistant Secretary, Australian Broadcasting Control

Board.

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The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A $

Division 405, Sub-division 1 2,185,000

Document B Division 872, Subdivision 4 205,000

The Chairman called upon the following Divisions: Division 405, Sub-division 2-Australian Broadcasting Commission (Document A) Division 872, Sub-division 2-Australian Broadcasting Commission

(Document B) Division 872, Sub-division 3-Australian Broadcasting Commission (Document B)

The Attorney-General introduced the officers accompanying him for the consideration of the proposed expenditure as follows: Mr R. Gifford, Assistant Controller, Management Services (Finance), Australian Broadcasting Commission;

Mr D. Miley, Federal Director, Radio Programmes, Australian Broadcasting Commission; Mr C. Dean, Assistant Federal Director, Television Programmes, Australian Broadcasting Commission; Mr K. Middleton, Controller, Technical Services, Australian Broadcasting

Commission. Document A, Division 405, Sub-division 2-$58,000,000, being considered by the Committee.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.30 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bonner, Byrne, Lawrie, McAuliffe, J. McClelland, Mulvihill, and Rae (7). Senator D. McClelland also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

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P. E. RAE Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 14 THURSDAY, 25 NOVEMBER 1971 1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Rae)

took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE POSTMASTER-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT-AUSTRALIAN BROADCASTING COMMISSION RESUMED: Appearing: Senator the Hon. I . J. Greenwood, Q.C., Attorney-General, accompanied by:

Mr R. Gifford, Assistant Controller, Management Services (Finance) , Australian Broadcasting Commission; Mr D. Miley, Federal Director, Radio Programmes, Australian Broadcasting Commission; Mr C. Dean, Assistant Federal Director, Television Programmes, Australian

Broadcasting Commission; Mr K. Middleton, Controller, Technical Services, Australian Broadcasting Commission.

Treasury Official: Mr A. M. Finch.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered : Document A Division 405, Sub-division 2

Document B Division 872, Sub-division 2 Sub-division 3 The Chairman called upon the following Divisions:

$

58,000,000

2,600,000 90,000

Division 405, Sub-division 3, Broadcasting and Technical Services (Document A) Division 872, Sub-division 1, Broadcasting and Technical Services (Document B)

Division 870, Capital Works and Services (Document B)

The Attorney-General introduced the officers accompanying him for the consideration of the proposed expenditure .as follows :

Mr G. Hudson, Chief Finance Officer; Mr W. Beard, Engineer Class 4 (Television); Mr A. B . French, Senior Finance Officer; Mr D. M. Coleman, Assistant Director-General, Telecommunications

Division;

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Mr F. L. C. Taylor, Assistant Director-General, Engineering Works Division; Mr L. ,K. Manderson, A ssistant Director-General (Area Management Project); Mr C. H. Hosking, Acting Assistant Di rector-General (Engineering

Review); Mr J. R. Smith, Deputy Assistant Director-General (Commercial), Postal Services Division.

Treasury Official: Mr A. M. Finch.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered : Document A $

Division 405, Sub-division 3 13.970,000

Document B

Division 872, Sub-division 1 Division 870

2,9 30,000 255,000,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Postmaster-General's Depart­ ment

concluded.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITUR E FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF THE ENVIRONME NT, ABORIGINES AND THE ARTS: A ppearing: Senator th e H on. I. J . Greenwood, Q .C. , Attorney-General, accompanied by:

Mr R. N. Townsend, Deputy Secretary; Mr B. E. W. Kelson , Senior Adviser, Arts Branch ; Mr L. A. J. Malone , Director, E stablishments and Finance Branch; Mr B. S. Wis ener, Clerk, E stablishments and Finance Branch; Mr K. Farnham, Assistant Executive Officer, Australian Council for the

Arts; Mr R. A. Gamble, Accountant, Australian Council fo r the Arts; Mr J. P. Dunner, Director, Commonwealth Archives Office; Mr N. M. Boyle, Assistant Controller, Australian Government Publishing

Service; Mr M. Woodcock, Finance Officer, Australian Government Publi shing Service; Mr W. R. Lancaster, Director, Australian War Memorial; Mr B. G. Dexter, Director, Office of Aboriginal Affairs; Mr R. Huey, Clerk, Offi ce of Aboriginal Affairs; Mr W. D. Richardson, Ass istant National Librarian; Mr G. C. Clark, Director, Management Services, National Library; Mr D. R. Sheppard, Execuitve Offi cer, Institute of Aboriginal Studies; Mr R. Saunders, Office of Aboriginal Affairs. Treasury Official: Mr A. M. Finch.

Papers: Senator Greenwood submitted the foll owing papers: 1. Department of the Environment, Aborigines and the Arts-Explanat ion s of 1971-72 Estimates.

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2. Division 257-National Library of Australia-Estimates 1971-72.

The Chairman called upon the following Divisions: Divisions 245-257, Department of the Environment, Aborigines and the Arts (Document A) Division 828, Department of the Environment, Aborigines and the Arts

(Document B)

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: Document A Division 245-Administrative, Subdivision 1-Salaries Payments in the nature of Salary

Sub-division 2-Administrative Expenses-Item 01. Traveiling and subsistence .. 02. Office requisites and equipment, stationery printing

03. Postage, telegrams and telephone services 04. Commonwealth Gazette-Printing 05. Fees to part-time members of boards

committees

$

and 565,200

119,000

and

45,200 50,390 323,000

and

36,950

Document A, Division 245, Sub-division 2-Administrative Expenses­ Item 06. War graves-Construction, care and maintenance- $896,600, being considered by the Committee.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.50 p.m. until a day and hour to be fixed.

5. ATTENDANCE: The followi ng members of the Committee were present: Senators Bonner, Byrne, Davidson, Lawrie, McAuliffe , J. McClelland, Mulvihill and Rae ( 8) . Senators D. McClelland, Georges, Laucke and Prowse also took part in the

Committee's proceedings.

P. E. RAE

Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 15 TUESDAY, 30 NOVEMBER 1971 1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10.30 a.m. The Chairman (Senator

Rae) took the Chair.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF THE ENVIRONMENT, ABORIGINES AND THE ARTS RESUMED: Appearing: Senator the Hon. I. J. Greenwood, Q.C., Attorney-General, accompanied by:

Mr R. N. Townsend, Deputy Secretary; Mr J. D. Le Gassick, Assistant Secretary, Arts Branch; Mr L. A. J. Malone, Director, Establishments and Finance Branch; Mr B. S. Wisener, Clerk, Establishments and Finance Branch; Dr Jean Battersby, Executive Officer, Australian Council for the Arts; Mr R. A. Gamble, Accountant, Australian Council for the Arts; Mr J. Martin-Jones, Executive Officer, Interim Council for a National

Film and Television Training School; Mr J. P. Dunner, Director, Commonwealth Archives Office; Mr N. M. Boyle, Assistant Controller, Australian Government Publishing Service; Mr M. Woodcock, Finance Officer, Australian Government Publishing

Service; Mr W. R. Lancaster, Director, Australian War Memorial; Mr B. G. Dexter, Director, Office of Aboriginal Affairs; Mr R. Huey, Clerk, Office of Aboriginal Affairs; Mr R. Saunders, Liaison Officer, Office of Aboriginal Affairs; Mr W. D. Richardson, Assistant National Librarian;

Mr G. C. Clark, Director, Management Services, National Library; Mr D. R. Sheppard, Executive Officer, Institute of Aboriginal Studies. Treasury Official: Mr R. J. Gray.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: Document A Division 245-Administrative, Sub-division 2-Adminis­ trative Expenses

Division 245-Administrative, Sub-division 3-0ther Services 4-Grants-in-Aid .. :

Division 247-Assistance for the Arts

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$

1,520,315

14,246,010 239,975

5,098,000

Division 249-Commonwealth Archives Office Division 250-Australian Government Publishing Service Division 252-Australian War Memorial Division 254--0ffice of Aboriginal Affairs

Division 255-Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies Division 257-National Library of Australia

Document B

Division 828-Capital Works and Services

$

988,200 1,209,000 457,700 583,600

470,000 5,082,000

212,200

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of the Environment, Aborigines and the Arts concluded.

3. DELIBERATIVE MEETING: The Chairman presented a draft Report for consideration by the Committee. It was resolved that the Report be agreed to with amendments.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.00 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bonner, Davidson, Lawrie, J. McClelland, Mulvihill and Rae ( 6).

Senators Georges, D. McClelland and McLaren also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

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P. E. RAE •Chairman

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee C has the honour to present its report to the Senate.

On 16 September 1971, the Senate referred to the Committee the Estimates for the year 1971-72 relating to the following Departments: Works Foreign Affairs

Labour and National Service Education and Science External Territories Housing

The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Works and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Hansard report of the evidence is tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1971-72 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1971-72.

Subsequent to the hearing of evidence and in accordance with undertakings given by the Minister for Works during the hearings, additional information was forwarded to the Committee in reply to certain questions asked during the proceedings. Copies of these replies are attached as an Appendix to the Report.

The Committee records its appreciation of evidence given by both the Minister for Works and the officers of the Departments concerned. The Committee also record$ 3ppreciation of the detailed explanations of the Estimates which were received well prior to the hearings and which in no small measure assisted in the speedy consideration of the Estimates.

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J.P. SIM Chairman

APPENDIX

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Dear Senator Sim,

Minister for Works, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 25 October 1971

I send you the answer to Senator Young's question on the Department of Works Estimates relating to expenditure on maintenance of Parliament House (page 90, Hansard of 12 October 1971 refers).

Senator J. P Sim, Chairman, Estimates Committee C, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely,

R. C. WRIGHT

PAGE 90-HANSARD, SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

12 October 1971

ANsWER TO Q u ESTION BY SENATOR YoUNG

Division 584/l/01, Parliament-Repairs and Maintenance

Maintenance work at Parliament House is undertaken by the Department of Works and by the Joint House Department. The expenditure over the past 10 years by each of these Departments is as under:

Year

Department Joint House Total of Works Department s s $

1961 - 62 . . .. . . .. 63 ,854 39,714 103,568

1962- 63 . . . . .. .. 51 ,996 39,960 91 ,956

1963-64 . . . . .. .. 32,596 40,238 72,834

1964-65 . . . . . . .. 29,980 43,400 73 ,380

1965-66 . . .. .. .. 71 ,995 44,719 116,714

1966-67 .. . . . . . . 41.939 46,718 88,657

1967-68 . . . . . . .. 43,174 47,209 90,383

1968-69 . . .. .. . . 37,305 47,673 84,978

1969-70 . . .. .. . . 34,991 61 ,807 96,798

1970-71 . . .. .. .. 99,593 72,228 171 ,821

991,089

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DEPAR1MENT OF WORKS

MINISTER

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITI'EE C

At the meeting with Senate Committee C on 12 October 1971 Senator Young asked the following question : Page 88-Hansard, Senate Estimates Committee C and D, Tuesday 12 October 1971.

Senator Y oung-1 would like to come back to the introductory paper which was read by Senator Wright and refer to page 4 where there is a heading 'Modem Developing Techniques'. At the end of that section you say: 'Advantage is also taken of the opportunity to enable selected departmental officers to undertake post-graduate studies overseas.' How many are given the opportunity to undertake post-graduate studies, which are for the benefit of both the department and the Commonwealth generally? More impor­ tantly, what is the loss from this? Are these people bonded for a certain period, or do they go overseas and are lost to the Department?

The suggested answer to this question is:

1. The departmental officers who undertake post-graduate studies overseas fall into three categories. Firstly there are the relatively senior profes­ sional officers who visit overseas institutes for short periods for advanced study. Secondly a number of officers have been granted leave without pay to undertake post-graduate studies. Officers in these two categories

are not bonded. Since 1968 seven officers have been granted leave without pay to undertake post-graduate studies overseas. Four of these officers have completed their studies and returned to duty with the Department. One resigned from the service and two have yet to com­ plete their studies.

2. Thirdly there are those officers who have been awarded Public Service Board scholarships or who are departmentally sponsored. It is usual to bond these officers. The opportunity to undertake such studies is offered to all suitably qualified officers of the Department. Usually such offers are made subject to the availability of courses and the appli­ cant's compliance with certain administrative requirements laid down by the Public Service Board.

3. Over the last three years the Department has with the agreement of the Public Service Board sponsored seven officers to undertake post­ graduate studies overseas. Four of these have completed their studies and the remainder have yet to complete their courses. There has been no loss to the service of any of these officers.

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A. S. REIHER Director-General

Dear Senator Sim,

Minister for Works, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 24 November 1971

FOREIGN AFFAIRS

During the review of the Departmental estimates by the Senate Estimates Committee a request was made for additional information on the major projects being undertaken. A copy of a paper setting out information on these projects is attached. Also attached is a paper setting out further details of our participation in the ASP AC Registry of Scientific and Technical Services (located in Canberra)

and the ASPAC Food and Fertiliser Technology Centre (located in Taipei) .

Senator J. P . Sim, Chairman, Senate Estimates Committee C, Parliament House,

Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely, R. C. WRIGHT

Major Australian Aid Projects Under Colombo Plan and Seato in 1970-71 and 1971-72-ltems 270/ 5/ 01 and 26 Burma

(i) Agricultural Project: Australia is assisting the Burmese Agricultural and R esearch Development Corporation by providing agric ultural equipment, water pumps and pipes, drilling equipment, etc. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $132,343 and it is estimated that expenditure in 1971-72 will be $2,000.

India (i) In 1970-71 Australian assistance to the Indo-Australian Sheep Breeding Centre at Hissar cost $254,000. This Centre was set up to provide a source of high quality corriedale rams to upgrade the Indian wool industry

and at the same time to provide training for Indians. Australian aid takes the form of equipment, sheep and the servi ces of four experts. 1,000 sheep were provided in 1970-71 and a further 1 ,000 will be supplied this year.

Australian aid to the Centre is estimated to cost $288,000 in 1971-72. (ii) Cattle: In 1970-71 $1 98,558 was spent on the provision of high quality Jersey cattle. The cattle are sent to · Indian Government Experimental farms and centres for the betterment of the Indian dairy industry. 300

were shipped in 1970-71 and arrangements are being made to supply 300 more this financial year at an estimated cost of $200,000. (iii) Bakery Equipment: In the past we have supplied for Ministry of Food and Agriculture modern automatic bakery units at New Delhi, Madras,

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Ahmadabad, Ernakulam, Bombay and Calcutta. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $60,722. A further request for bakery equipment costing some $3m is under examination at present.

Indonesia (i) Aeronautical Fixed Telecommunications Network: Started in 1962, this will link all the major aerodromes in Indonesia by voice, radio telephone . and teleprinter channels, through the construction of nine telecommunica­

tions stations throughout the country. This will provide an efficient, modern aircraft control system. Eight of the stations have now been completed and are being operated continuously. Australia has agreed, for the present, to accept responsibility for the maintenance of the network. Three Indonesians are training with the Department of Civil Aviation in Melbourne, two others having com­

pleted courses. A further nine are studying engineering in the West Australian Institute of Technology. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $198,240 and is estimated to be $464,000 in 1971-72. (ii) Australian Telecommunications Mission: In April 1968, a team of Aus­

tralian engineers from the Postmaster-General's Department made a pre­ liminary study of Indonesia's domestic and international telecommunica­ tions needs. The second phase of the Mission's investigations, completed in June 1970, involved the detailed planning of a microwave system for Sumatra and another radio relay system extending eastward from Java

to Timor and Sulawesi. The third phase of the Mission's activities will include the planning of a national telecommunications network for Indonesia, the supervision of the construction and installation of a 52-station microwave system for Sumatra and the supervision of the con­ struction and installation of exchange equipment at nine telephone exchanges throughout the same island. The mission is also rehabilitating the Djakarta telephone cable network. In Australia, the Postmaster­ General's Department is providing training for nine exchange installation technicians and four engineers as well as six microwave technicians. The cost to Australia of the projects being undertaken by the Mission to June 1973 is expected to be $A7,080,000. In 1970-71 expenditure was

$636,850 and in 1971-72 is estimated at $1.07m. (iii) Rehabilitation of the Indonesian State Railways (P.N.K.A.): Steel rails and bridging materials, valued at $2.9m, have been supplied to the Indo­ nesian State Railways since 1968, for the rehabilitation of track and

bridges. Over the next two years, Australia will supply further rails and fastenings, bridging steel, swing links for passenger bogies, 250 sets of air brakes and paint, at an estimated cost of $2.2m. A senior engineer from the Commonwealth Railways visits Indonesia approximately every three months to assess the progress of the project. Expenditure in 1970-71 was

$830,870 and in 1971-72 is estimated at $1.35m.

(iv) Bogor Water Supply: A Sydney firm of consulting engineers, Vallentine, Laurie and Davies, was commissioned in January 1970 to design and prepare the plans and specifications for an enlarged and improved water

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supply for the town of Boger in Java. The improved water supply will cater for the projected needs of Boger's population up to 1990. Over the next two years the services of the consultants, including supervision of the construction, and the supplying of equipment and materials from Australia is expected to cost approximately $2.5m. Expenditure in

1970-71 was $449,722 and in 1971-72 is estimated to be $2m. (v) Den Pasar Water Supply: A Melbourne firm of consulting engineers, Scott and Furphy, was engaged in August 1970 to investigate, design and supervise the construction of an expanded water supply scheme for Den

Pasar, the capital of Bali. Design work for the scheme started in January 1971. Investigation of the underground water resources which could be used for the town supply has recently been completed. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $114,255 and expenditure in 1971-72 will depend on the

Indonesian Government's response to the report. (vi) Development of the Port of Tjilatjap, Java: The port of Tjilatjap on the southern coast of Java, with its safe harbour and reasonable communica­ tions to the interior recommended itself to a Western Australian con­

sortium, Australian Indonesian Manufacturing and Trade Pty Ltd as a site for an industrial estate. This would involve the expansion of the shipping and urban facilities and Indonesia sought the assistance of the Australian Government in a feasibility study. A preliminary report pre­ pared on behalf of the Department of Foreign Affairs was compiled in

early 1970. This recommended that assistance be offered in the form of wharf improvements, dredging the harbour, town planning and the pro­ vision of equipment and advisers for the technical school.

Laos

A Sydney firm, Crooks, Mitchell, Peacock and Stewart, has been com­ missioned to recommend a suitable site for industrial development, and to co!lect data for a town plan. This project represents a joint enterprise involving no·t only the govern­ ments of Indonesia and Australia but private businessmen from both inside and outside these two countries. Should Tjilatjap develop as planned, goods manufactured in the town will replace imports and save

scarce foreign exchange. It is hoped that by generating new capital and providing the opportunity for the population to acquire new skills, the development of this port and industrial centre will stimulate further industrialisation in Java. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $19,200 and expen­ diture in 1971-72 is dependent on the Indonesian Government's decision on future development.

(i) Forestry School: Forestry is important to the Lao domestic economy but Laos has no training facilities for forestry rangers. The Lao Government has requested Australian aid for a forestry school at Dong Dok. Following discussions with the Embassy in Vientiane and Lao officials, Professor

Ovington of the Department of Forestry, A.N.U. has recommended this project. Australia will contribute, over a period of three years, pre­ fabricated buildings (being built in Brisbane), vehicles, equipment, short

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tenn specialist lecturers and a Director-Lecturer for the school. The estimated cost of the project is $178,000 of which $77,500 is estimated to be spent in 1971-72.

Malaysia (i) Bridges: This project involves the provision of fabricated steel and super­ visory services for the erection of ten bridges in Sarawak. The Common­ wealth Department of Works has made available the services of an

engineer to supervise the project. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $412,2 77; the estimated expenditure in 1971-72 is $430,000. (ii) Telupid Road: A Malaysian-Australian road project in Sabab provides for the construction of 70 miles of road between Telupid and Ranau,

under the supervision of a team from the S.M.E.C. Australia's aid con­ tribution is estimated to cost $4.25m, over a period of four years, in the form of personnel, materials and equipment. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $828,880; this financial year it is expected to be $906,000. (iii) Flush Sealing Equipment: This equipment was provided in 1970-71, to

the Sabah Public Works Department, at a cost of $170,000. The equip­ ment was provided at the request of the Malaysian Government and on the advice of the S.M.E.C. to facilitate the seaiing of roads in Sabah, initially the Telupid-Ranau road. (See previous project.)

No expenditure will be incurred this financial year. (iv) Premix Bituminous Concrete Plant: This equipment is being provided this financial year, at an estimated cost of $200,000, for the bituminous concrete sealing of trunk roads in Sarawak. The Director of Public Works,

Kuching, Sarawak proposes to set up the plant at Serina, some 40 miles from Kuching to provide bituminous concrete surfacing of the Serina­ Sirnenggong road and later on the Kuching-Sibu road. The provision of this plant was recommended by a Structural Engineer of the Common­ wealth Department of Works after an inspection of the roads.

Nepal (i) Civil Aviation: Assistance is being given to upgrade Nepalese airports, including the upgrading of Katmandu airport to international standard. Five Australian experts from the Department of Civil Aviation are engaged

on the project, assisted by Nepalese engineers and technicians trained in Australia or at an Australian-sponsored course in Bangkok. Equipment being supplied by Australia includes five airport fire tenders, air-to-ground radios and radio beacons. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $591,435 and this financial year is expected to be $580,000.

Pakistan (i) Railways: Railway sleepers costing $136,736 were supplied to the West Pakistan Railways in 1970-71. The sleepers were requested by the Pakistani Government to rebuild existing track routes.

Australia also provided sleepers for the Pakistani railway in 1963 and 1966.

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No Australian aid expenditure on railway sleepers for Pakistan is budgeted for this financial year.

The Philippines

(i) Meteorological Communication Equipment: This financial year Australia is providing communication equipment to the Philippines Meteorological Organisation. Following the disastrous typhoon which struck the Philip­ pines in November 1970, the Philippines Government sought Australian

aid to improve the communications service of their meteorological organisation. An officer of the Commonwealth Bureau of Meteorology visited the Philippines in February 1971 to investigate the position and as a result of his report Australia will be providing 45 radio transceivers,

4 radio receivers, 3 one KW transmitters, generators and aerials. As well as making a significant contribution to the typhoon warning system, the equipment will enable a better weather information se rvice to be provided to aircraft passing through the area en route to and from

Australia. Expenditure in 1971-72 is estimated to be $275,000. (ii) Airport Equipment: Following consultations between the Director of Civil Aviation in the Philippines and the Australian Department of Civil

Aviation, arrangements are in hand for the provision of an approach slope indicator system at the Manila international ai rport. The equipment is being designed by the Department of Civil Aviation which will also supervise its installation.

The in stallation of this Australian system which has now been accepted by the I.C.A.O., will improve the standard of operation of the Manila airport for all international airlines including Qantas. Expenditure in 1971-72 is estimated to be $30,000.

Khmer RepubliC (i) Prek Thnot Project: T his is part of the over-all Mekong Basin develop­ ment and consists of a storage dam, a diversion weir, a hydro-electric power station of 18 megawatts capacity and irriga tion facilities for 5,000

hectares. The project is financed by 'Co-operating Countries' (viz. U.S .A ., U.K., Italy, France, Japan, Canada, Denmark, Germany, India, Netherlands, Pakistan, Philippines) and is the subject of a formal agreement regi stered

with the United Nations. Work commenced on the Prek Thnot project in 1964 with the Snowy Mountains Hydro Electric Authority carrying out the survey and detailed design work. In 1969 construction began with the S.M.H.E .A. acting as construction supervisors. The work of S.M.H.E.A. is finan ced from Australian aid funds. ·

Australia is not carrying out actual construction work but the super­ vision of construction involves the stationing of a number of engineers and technical staff, and their families in the Khmer Republic. Progress on the main dam work has slowed down in 1970-71 , to security requirements.

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Korea

Expenditure in 1970-71 was $595,297. Expenditure in this financial year will depend upon the extent of progress made by the contractor in the light of the current security conditions in the vicinity of the l,iam but will exceed $250,000.

(i) Sheep Demonstration Farm: As a result of a request from the Korean Government for expert advice an Australian farm management consultant was sent to Korea in 1969 to investigate the potential for sheep raising in Korea and to determine how best Australia might assist. Following the recommendations made by the consultant, and a follow-up survey made by two officers of the New South Wales Department of Agriculture

in 1970, it was agreed with the Korean Government that the most useful contribution Australia could make would be to assist in the establish­ ment of a sheep demonstration farm. Australian assistance will be in the form of sheep and plant, shearing shed and sheep yard structures, some fencing materials, pasture seeds and veterinary vaccines. A project manager and supporting research and training personnel are also being provided.

Expenditure on the project will be spread over five years and the total Australian aid will cost $620,000. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $534 and for 1971-72 is estimated to be $299,000.

Thailand (i) Lom Sak-Chumpae Highway: S.M.E.C. is acting as agent of the Depart­ ment of Foreign Affairs for this major road project which is estimated to cost $6.74m, spread over the financial years 1969-70 to 1973-74.

Australia agreed to provide supervisory and technical staff, design, field testing, and part of the plant and equipment for the construction. The Thai Government provides support staff, offices, workshops, accom­ modation and services.

Expenditure in 1970-71 was $1.57m and is estimated at $2.2m for 1971-72. (ii) A .R.D. Prachuap Kiri Khan: This aid was entered into at the request of the Thai Government for assistance with the Accelerated Rural

Development programme in Prachuap Kiri Khan province. This project is directed towards urgent rural development and the provision of expanded services in an effort to raise the standard of living and income of people in remote villages. It is estimated to cost $1.2m, spread over four years.

The Australian contribution envisages the construction of 313 kms of gravel road serving 114 villages. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $783,951; it is estimated expenditure in 1971-72 will be $230,000. (iii) Land Development: Following a request from the Thai Government, a

survey of land use, land tenure and farm economy in the northern valleys of Thailand was carried out in 1966 under the Colombo Plan programme

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by a team of experts led by a Senior Lecturer from the University of New England. The survey showed that the application of improved agricultural techniques and training of farmers was necessary to establish a stable and productive land use.

Vietnam

The project calls for Australia to provide scientific advice and technical equipment. The University of New England acts as the agent of the Department of Foreign Affairs for this project. In 1970-71 expenditure was $119,405; the project is expected to cost

$176,000 in 1971-72.

( i) Surgical Team: Since October 1964 Australian medical teams consisting of doctors, nurses and technicians have been attached to civilian hospitals in Vietnam at the request of the Vietnamese Ministry of Health. In 1970-71 Australian teams were stationed in Long Xu yen (one of the

main towns in the Mekong Delta) and at a provincial hospital in Bien Hoa, near Saigon. The cost in 1970-71 was $353,566. The estimated cost for 1971-72 is $300,000.

(ii) Saigon Water Supply: Pipes and fittings are being supplied for the Saigon water supply system. In 1970-71 expenditure was $526,285. Expenditure this financial year is estimated to be $599,000. The basic reason for supplying this equipment is to assist in overcoming technical restrictions of

the present system and the ever increasing demands upon it due to the influx of refugees and the rapid developmeRt of housing projects on the outskirts of Saigon. (iii) Can Tho Water Supply: This project involves the construction of a water

supply system, including a storage reservoir, for the city of Can Tho. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $181,183. The project is expected to be completed this financial year at a cost of $117,000. (iv) Bien Hoa Hospital: This project is the rehabilitation of the Bien Hoa

hospital, including the re-building of operating theatres and wards. The Commonwealth Department of Works has provided six skilled tradesmen and technicians to assist with the project. Expenditure in 1970-71 was $152,126 and for 1971-72 is estimated to be $700,000.

ASPAC ITEMS IN 1971-72 AID ESTIMATES

'A. 270/5/16 Asian and Pacific Council Registry of Scientific and Technical Services for the Asian and Pacific Region. The 1971-72 estimates provide for expenditure of $67,000. Following Aus­ tralia's intentions to meet 45 per cent of the Registry's agreed total annual budget,

$51,090 of the vote will be applied to the budget. The balance of the vote will be used to meet the establishment costs of the Registry in Canberra, including furniture and fittings, and a car. The estimates compare with actual expenditure of $69,000 in 1970-71. The

savings accrue from a change in the Registry's status to an international organisa-45

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tion in July 1971 and the assumption of part of its running costs by the other member countries of ASPAC, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Malaysia, New Zealand, the Philippines, the Republic of China, Thailand and the Republic of Viet-Nam.

The ASPAC Registry of Scientific and Technical Services, which was estat­ lished in 1968, is the first inter-governmental organisation to have its in Australia. B. 270/5/19 Asian and Pacific Council-Food and Fertiliser Technology

Centre-Taipei Contribution. The 1971-72 estimates provide for a contribution of $36,000 based on Aus­ tralia's commitment to finance approJtimately one-quarter of the Centre's opera­ tional costs. This compares with actual expenditure of $27,000 in the previous financial year.

All of the routine administrative costs of the Centre are met by the Govern­ ment of the Republic of China which also makes some contribution to the opera­ tional costs, the bulk of which are met by contributions from Japan ($US60,000 in 1971), Australia ($US30,000) and New Zealand ($US22,400). The Republic of Korea, the Philippines, Thailand and Republic of Viet-Nam also make modest contributions.

The Food and Fertilizer Technology Centre which is based in the Republic of China was established in 1969. Its activities, which began in 1970, are designed to promote the exchange and dissemination of technical information on food production and, in particular, on the use of chemical fertilisers, and the adoption of related modern farming methods in order to achieve increased output and higher incomes for farmers in the Asian and Pacific region.'

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C Questions concerning 1971-72 Estimates of Department of Foreign Affairs. Reference: Senate Hansard-Estimates Committee C-12 October 1971. Pages 95-96.

Questions: Under Division 270/ 3/ 04-United Nations Association of Aus­ tralia-Grant. In relation to an item included in the previous year's ( 1970-71 ) appropria­ tion, Senator Davidson had asked about:

(i) The composition of the Australian Committee to Combat Racialism and Racial Discrimination and the Committee's relationship to the United Nations Association. (ii) How the amount of the $12,000 grant was spent.

Answers: (i) -The National Committee for observance of 1971 as the International Year for Action to Combat Racialism and Racial Discrimination com­ prises representatives of a wide group of non-governmental organisations

and representatives of each of the Divisions of the United Nations Asso­ ciation of Australia. The attached copy of a Foreign Affairs press state­ ment of 22 March 1971 gives details .

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(ii) An accounting for the spending of the grant has not yet been rendered by the National Committee. It is obliged to present a statement about this to the Department of Foreign Affairs for transmission to Treasury. and this may be expected later in the year. Informally, the Department understands that the grant has been spent mainly on administrative and

secretarial expenses for educational and promotional activities related to the Year in accordance with the purposes endorsed by the General Assembly of the United Nations.

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

NEWS RELEASE No. D/15 22 March 1971

INTERNATIONAL YEAR FOR ACTION TO COMBAT RACISM AND RACIAL DISCRIMINATION The Department of Foreign Affairs said today that a National Committee com­ prising representatives of the organisations listed below• and representatives of each of the Divisions of the United Nations Association of Australia had been formed to observe 1971 as International Year for Action to Combat Racism

and Racial Discrimination. The Committee, which is called the Australian Com­ mittee to Combat Racism and Racial Discrimination, has adopted the initials C.A.R.R.D. to designate its campaign. The background to the formation of the Committee was the unanimous adop­

tion by the General Assembly of the United Nations in 1969 of a resolution designating 1971 as International Year for Action to Combat Racism and Racial Discrimination. Australia voted in favour of this resolution. To assist the Committee organise a suitable programme to observe the Year, the Commonwealth Government made available a grant of $12,000.

The Committee's main objectives are : (a) to promote the study of the disseminate information about the relevant United Nations documents; (b) to relate Australian attitudes and practices to these documents; and

(c) to urge adoption by the Commonwealth Government of the relevant United Nations conventions and the adoption of any necessary legislative and administrative changes. The Committee has also requested the Divisions of the United Nations Asso­ ciation of Australia to set up State Committees to observe the Year, or to expand existing Human Rights Committee for this purpose.

An important part of the work undertaken by the Committee will be the dis­ tribution of appropriate publications pertaining to racial discrimination to secon­ dary schools in Australia. Included among these publications will be the United Nations Declaration on the Elimination of all 'Forms of Racial Discrimination and

the International Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimina­ tion adopted by the United Nation General Assembly in 1963 and 1965 respec­ tively . Another major part of the Committee's work will be the distribution of pertinent literature to the State Commitees and inerested non-governmental

organisations.

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* Abschol Australian Catholic Relief Australian Council of Catholic Women Australian Citizens' Campaign to Overcome Racial Discrimination Australian Council of Churches Australian Council of Social Services Australian Federation of University Women Australian Federation of Women Voters Australian Freedom from Hunger Campaign Australian National Committee for UNICEF Australian Red Cross Society Australian Student Christian Movement Australian Y.W.C.A. Australian Y.M.C.A. Australian Teachers' Federation Catholic Women's League Executive Council of Australian Jewry Federal Council for the Advancement of Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders Italian Commission against Racial Discrimination and National Defamation Federation of Business and Professional Women's Association Federation of Jewish Welfare Societies International Social Services National Commission for Justice and Peace National Council of Jewish Women National Council of Women for Australia World University Services National Youth Council The Bah'ai Faith

Pan Pacific and South East Asia Women's Association United Nations Association of Australia Salvation Army Women's International League for Peace and Freedom Religious Society of Friends Country Women's Association Australian Farmers' Federation

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

Questions concerning 1971-72 Estimates of Department of Foreign Affairs.

Reference: Senate Hansard-Estimates Committee C-12 October 1971. Pages 102-103.

Question: Under Division 270/1 and 272/1, Salaries and Payments in the Nature of Salary Administrative and Overseas Service.

Senator Milliner drew attention to the fact the appropriations for 1971-72 ($18,014,100) were approximately $3m higher ($2,887,955) than expenditure in the previous year 1970-71 ($15,126,145). He also pointed out that, from the figures provided at paragraph 7 of the Introductory Statement by the Honourable Senator R. C. Wright (representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs in the Senate), and figures given at page 74 of the explanatory notes on the Depart­ ment's estimates for 1971-72, there was an increase in staff of only about 300 officers (299). He questioned whether the increase in appropriation was not out of proportion to the increase in staffing and requested an explanation.

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Answer: Actual expenditure in the year 1970-71 exceeded the original appropriation for that year based on the average staffing referred to at paragraph 7 of the Introductory Statement. Factors relevant to that expenditure included the

following: (1) There were 26 pay periods in that financial year;

(2) Payment was made of the 6 per cent National Wage Case increase from 14.1.71 (11 pay periods) ;

(3) Payment was made to the Clerical Administrative Group of the salary increase (approximately 9 per cent) determined by the Public Service Board with effect from 17.12.70 (13 pay periods);

( 4) Payment was made to External Affairs Officers of the increase deter­ mined by the Public Service Board froni 14.1.71 (11 pay periods) in respect of staff in Australia only. The determination was issued too late for payment to be made to staff serving overseas.

On the other hand, factors contributing to the increase in the estimates for the year 1971-72 include the following: (1) There are 27 pay periods in this financial year. This represents an increase of approximately $635,000;

(2) The 6 per cent National Wage Case increase is payable for the full year. This represents an increase of approximately $252,400;

(3) The Clerical Administrative Group determination is payable for the fu ll year. This represents an increase of approximately $174,200;

( 4) The External Affairs Officer Group increase is payable for the full year to all members of the group and for an additional 11 pay periods (back pay) in respect of those officers who were serving overseas at the end of the last financial year. This represents an increase of approximately $174,700;

(5) Increases in Fourth Division salaries determined by the Public Service Board are payable with effect from 17 .6. 71 (a full year plus one pay period). This represents an increase of approximately $258,600. The foregoing factors account for nearly $1,500,000 of the increase in appro­ priation. The balance of the increase is attributable to the following two facton. :

( 1) Increases in Australia-based, Britain-based and locally-engaged Staff. (2) Variations in overseas allowances and locally-engaged Staff wages resulting from inspections by officers of the Public Service Board or the application of formal leave for the adjustment of pay.

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My Dear Minister,

Minister for Labour and National Service Parliament House Canberra, A.C.T. 25 November 1971

Further to my letter of 17 November, I am providing information sought on Commonwealth Hostels Limited by the Senate Estimates Committee.

Senator Mulvihill asked whether the closure of Brassey House was imminent. Its permanent closure has never been posed to or by the Company and does not seem likely to be.

Senator Bishop asked about trends in occupancy at the Hotel Kurrajong. This Hotel has, as you are aware, traditionally been reserved primarily to accom­ modate Parliamentarians, their wives and their staffs, public servants temporarily in Canberra on official duty and small numbers of public servants permanently based in Canberra. Accommodation not taken up by these groups at any time is made available to other casual visitors to Canberra, including tourists. Common­ wealth Hostels Limited, however, does not actively seek to compete against pri­ vate enterprise for casual trade.

The Company is unable to supply specific information about the movements of individual guests accommodated from month to month. It operates the Hotel Kurrajong on commercial principles which means that the records of guests are only sufficient to comply with the normal business practices of the catering and accommodation industry. They are not organised with a view to later analysis by names of guests.

Patronage at the Hotel Kurrajong is spasmodic due to a number of reasons but principally the incidence of Parliamentary sitting days and the demand for short-term accommodation by public servants from other capital cities.

Officers of Commonwealth Hostels Limited have gone to a great deal of trouble to meet Senator Bishop's request for information. They have compiled Table 1 in the Attachment to this letter as an indicator of Parliamentarians' patronage trends. It would have been a tremendous and unrewarding task to try to trace patronage by individual people over three years; some are no longer in the Parliament. Instead, a ratio has been produced of the average number of Parliamentarians accommodated nightly per sitting period each half-year. This shows a fall-off in patronage of eight by Parliamentarians for the last end­ December half-year compared with the same period in 1968 and of twelve for the respective end-June half-year.

Table 2 in the Attachment sets out for half-yearly periods over the last three years the total number of casual guests who occupied rooms nightly and shows hardly any movement. You will note, I am sure with interest, that the short sitting period in the end-December half -year 1969 enabled the Company to take in extra casual guests-that half-year was abnormal.

Senator Little commented on charges at the Hotel Kurrajong and Brassey House and at hotels and motels in Canberra. A survey was made of tariffs

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·charged at the latter. It was found that most mQtels offer T.V. and rtftigerati(lii in rooms but many do not provide private toilet and ablution: tacilities, The charge at the Hotel Kurrajong and Brassey House ffit a doubie over­ night with breakfast is $14.50. Only the Telopea Motor tnn was found to offer .a bed and breakfast rate of $12.00 per double with private facilities. There are

a number which charge $14.00 per double overnight but whose rate for one person is higher than that at Kurrajong and Brassey. Tariffs have to be seen against the fact that Kurrajong and Brassey have to be staffed to cope with three meals per day whereas most motels are staffed

·only for a bed and breakfast operation with a small restaurant providing an a la -carte menu :for other meals. Kurrajong and Brassey offer full daily rates (three meals) at $10.95 single and $19'.40 double, and weekly rates at $54.75 single and $97.00 double. Hotels

.and motels do not generally provide these e0ncessiomal rates, the exceptions found being Hotel Canberra which provides a full daily rate of $18.55 single and the Embassy Motel which provides a bed only weekly rate of $56.00 single. You also lilndertook to provide the Committee with information regarding trading results. I am afraid that until 1 July 1970 separate figures for the opera­

tion of Kurrajong and Brassey are not available. Until then, the policy was to regard all guest house&, etc., m Canberra as one integrated group and- not as a series of separate units. However, because of rapidly rising costs it was decided to separate the Kurrajoog and Brassey off from the remaining guest houses which

primarily provide permanent accommodation for public servants based in Can­ berra. In 1970-71 and for future years a separate Income and Expenditure State­ ment w.ill be produced for the combine·d operation of' the Hotel Kurrajong and Brassey House.

For 1970-71 this combined operation resulted in a loss of $18,412. This was iless than the anticipated loss of $27,000 at the time the estimates were prepared.

Yours sincerely,

PHILLIP LYNCH

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Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

PATRONAGE AT HOTEL KURRAJONG 1968-71

Code

TABLE 1

Parliamentarians Accommodated

Attachment

A-sum of rooms occupied by Parliamentarians on individual nights during the period B-number of Parliamentary sitting days C-average number of Parliamentarians accommodated per sitting day

Period A B c

July to December 1968 . . .. 4,284 39 110

January to June 1969 . . .. .. 3,584 29 124

July to December 1969 .. .. 2,660 22 .121

January to June 1970 . . .. .. 4,732 38 .125

July to December 1970 .. .. 3,220 35 92

January to June 1971 .. .. .. 3,472 31 112

Note: July-December 1971 not complete and hence not comparable yet.

Attachment

PATRONAGE AT HOTEL KURRAJONG 1968-71

TABLE 2

Total Number of Casual Guests Accommodated Nightly for Period July to December 19'68 6,944

January to June 1969 . . 6,188

July to December 1969 8,568

January to June 1970 6,720

July to December 1970 7,056

January to June 1971 6,552

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DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR AND NATIONAL SERVICE

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C­ EMPLO YMENT TRAINING SCHEME FOR WOMEN BREAKDOWN BY O CCUPATIONAL CATEGORY OF APPLICATIONS

N.S.W. Vic . Qld S.A. W.A. Tas. Total

Secretarial . . 352 199 391 139 207 51

Clerical . . .. 88 283 235 30 194 26

Business machines .. 26 77 106 22 33 ..

Teaching .. . . 15 37 '46 15 33 12

Librarianship . . 3 42 7 9 5 12

Medical .. .. 3 I 14 5 36 1

Dressmaking . . 14 I 36 .. 6 . .

Total .. 501 640 835 220 514 102

STATE CENTRES WHERE TRAINING HAS TAKEN PLACE UNDER E .T.S.W.

New South Wales

Albury Armidale Bega Belmont Bombala

Campbelltown Canberra Cessnock Cooma

Corowa Cowra Dubbo Gilgandra

Gosford Griffith Kempsey Leeton

Victoria Geelong Ballarat Shepparton

W arrnambool Warragul Mil dura Horsham

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Lismore Lithgow Maitland Molong

Murwillumbah Narrandera Newcastle Orange

Penrith Port Macquarie Tamworth Taree Trundle

Wagga Wagga Wollongong Sydney

Echuca Bendigo Co lac H amilton

Ararat Mansfield Melbourne

1,339 856 264 158

78 60 57

2,812

Queensland Southport Ipswich Toowoomba Mary borough Bundaberg

South Australia Gawler Mount Gambier Tasmania

Burnie Devon port

Western Australia Perth Albany Bun bury

Townsville Innisfail Cairns Brisbane

Adelaide

Launceston Hobart

Kalgoorlie Northern Esperance

NATIONAL STANDARDS COMMISSION 10 November 1971. To The Secretary, Senate Estimates Committee C,

Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. From Executive Officer, National Standards Commission,

Sydney.

EXAMINATION OF 1971-72 ESTIMATES NATIONAL STANDARDS COMMISSION

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In the discussion on Divisions 240-241 in the 1971-72 Estimates by the Senate Estimates Committee C, Senator Bishop inquired about the activities of the National Standards Commission and whether the influence of the Commission was becoming more national and more acceptable to State Authorities. The Senator also inquired about the ambit of the National Association of Testing Authorities as a national body which sets standards.

In respect of the Commission, its growth over the past five years is reflected in the following figures:

Year

1966-67 1967-68 1968-69 1969-70 1970-71 1971-72 (est.)

Number of Staff I (30 June) Appropriation

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$

77,200 94,500 102,100 125,600 163,000 186,000

The increase in the appropnat10n for 1967-68 was the direct result of the Commonwealth accepting in 1966 the responsibility, on the request of the States, to test and certify the technical design (pattern) of all instruments to be used for measuring physical quantities in the market situation. The States requested

the Commonwealth to undertake this task because of their own inability to achieve effective rationalisation of their requirements with each of the six States acting independently and because of the increasing technical sophistication of the instru­ ments concerned. As a consequence, the Pattern Approval Laboratory was set up

and there is no doubt that the States are fully appreciative of the role now played by the Labmatory and the degree of rationalisation it has been able to achieve in the design of measuring instruments used· for trade and the adoption of uniform legislative provisions for these instruments. Much more needs to be done in these

areas but significant headway has already been achieved.

In the field of pre-packaged goods the Commission has accepted a central role in co-ordination through the activities of the Standing Committee on Packaging. It has achieved considerable uniformity of regulations that apply in the States in relation to packaged goods, e.g. the legislation applying in all States and

Territories (except the Northern Territory) is about 90 per cent uniform in content and interpretation although the actual drafting of legislation varies.

With the adoption of metric based units of measurements of physical quantities in Australia the Commission sees for itself an important role in both the packaging and pattern approval fields and there seems no doubt that the States will continue to endorse and actively support the Commission's activities in both these areas.

As for the National Association of Testing Authorities, while this organisation does set standards of a kind, its main activity is to certify to the competence of laboratories for the performance of specific tests to make measurements in various areas of physical measurement, such as metrology, mechanical engineering, photo­

metry, etc. The standards set by the Association are not given legal identity as are the basic physical measurement standards determined by the National Standards Commission but they are accepted by industry as valuable indicators of com­ petence for the laboratories concerned where accurate measurements may be

made and the results accepted with confidence.

For the sake of completeness I would add that the Standards Association of Australia also publishes 'production' codes which are the standards used exten­ sively by industry. Here again, however, the majority of standards are only advisory, although some, e.g. the Wiring Rules, are given legal identity at State level.

If the Committee wishes to have further information on these matters I would be pleased to supply it.

T. J. CARMODY

Executive Officer

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THE ACTIVITIES OF THE NATIONAL STANDARDS COMMISSION 1. The National Standards Commission is a Statutory Authority, comprising five Commissioners and a present staif of 18, established under the authority of the Weights and Measures (National Standards) Act, 1960-66.

Its functions are to advise the Minister with respect to weights and measures and to administer legislative provisions designed to establish uniform units and standards of measurement of physical quantities throughout Australia and its Territories.

2. When a system of units of measurement is established, it is basic that it should be generally useful to the community and internationally acceptable.

3. The Commission, when recommending the promulgation in the Weights and Measures (National Standards) Regulations of Commonwealth legal units of measurement for physical quantities, makes every endeavour to ensure that the units needed by the Australian community are indeed provided and that there is accord with the international resolutions and recommendations of the General Conference on Weights and Measures published by the Inter­ national Bureau of Weights and Measures (BIPM).

4. In order to provide means whereby measurement of physical quantities may be made in terms of the Commonwealth legal units provided, the Act classifies standards of measurement as Commonwealth Standards, Working Standards and Subsidiary Standards. Of these, the Commonwealth and Working Standards are the more precise whilst Subsidiary Standards are those which find their way into community use and against which the every­ day measuring instruments of science and technology are compared.

5. The Act also establishes a division of responsibility for the maintenance of these various Standards. Precise work (e.g. with Commonwealth and Work­ ing Standards) is performed by CSIRO, in the main (in specialised fields CSIRO appoints 'agents') by its National Standards Laboratory.

6. Subsidiary Standards may be created by CSIRO, the Commission or by Verifying Authorities appointed by the Commission. So far the appoint­ ment of Verifying Authorities has been restricted to Public Authorities (i.e. Commonwealth, State or Local).

7. The Weights and Measures (Patterns of Instruments) Regulations provide for the approval of patterns · of weighing and measuring instruments for use for trade and the Commission maintains a laboratory for the central approval of patterns of these instruments. This approval is carried out in concert with

State and Territorial Administrations; the Commission is responsible to determine the suitability of the pattern for use for trade, whereas State and Territorial Weights and Measures Authorities ensure that operative instru­ ments conform to the approved pattern, and verify instrument accuracy whilst in use.

8. International resolutions and recommendations attempt to incorporate latest knowledge upon the establishment of systems of measurement and upon weighing and measuring instrument design and verification. The main inter­ national bodies concerned are the International Organization for Legal

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Metrology (OIML), and the International Bureau of Weights and Measures (BIPM). Australia is represented by the Commission upon OIML and by CSIRO upon BIPM.

9. The Commission, by co-operation and consultation, also seeks to unify the intent of weights and measures law at all levels of Government throughout the Commonwealth. A good deal of uniformity now exists in respect of units used (States may say which of the Commonwealth legal units may be

used for a specific purpose), the pattern approval, verification and stamping of instruments, and the control of the quantity of material packed in pre­ packaged articles.

10. NATIONAL STANDARDS COMMISSION

Chairman-Professor R. Street Members-Dr R. G. Giovanelli, Messrs F . J. Lehany and S. J. Proctor, Sir Frederick White

Inquiries--Secretariat c/o CSIRO National Standards Laboratory, University Grounds, Chippendale, Sydney 2008 Telephone: 660 0566 Telegrams: Natstancom, Sydney

Inquiries: Pattern Approval, 38 Pine Street, Chippendale, N.S.W. 2008 Telephone: 69 7658 Telegrams: Natstancom, Sydney

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 12

TUESDAY, 12 OCTOBER 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10.30 a.m.

2. MEMBERSHIP OF ESTIMATES COMMITTEE: Entries in the Journals of the Senate of 28 September and 29 September 1971 recording changes in the membership of the Committee were reported. The Committee membership so altered was-

Senators Bishop, Carrick, Davidson, Little, Milliner, Primmer, Sim and Young.

3. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Young, Senator Sim was elected Chairman of the Committee. Senator Sim thereupon took the Chair

4. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: Discussion ensued on procedures to be followed by the Committee when considering the relevant divisions of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the year 1971-72.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at seventeen minutes past ten a.m. until a day and hour to be fixed .

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Carrick, Primmer, Sim and Young.

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J.P. SIM Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 13

TUESDAY, 12 OCTOBER 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 4.45 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Sim) took the Chair.

2. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure which the Committee would follow in the considera­ tion of the particulars of proposed expenditure for the year 1971-72 which the Committee had been charged to consider.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPART­ MENT OF WORKS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Works:

Mr A. S. Reiher, Director-General. Mr A. G. Miles, Deputy Assistant Director-General (Works). Mr W. D. Hamilton, Deputy Assistant Director-General (Finance). Mr E. B. Tate, Ass istant Director, Management Services (A.C.T. Branch). Mr H. G. Parker, Senior Finance Officer.

Trwsury Officials: Mr D. J. Hill and Mr J . Maher.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference of the Senate of 16 September 1971, the Committee commenced consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expen·· diture for the service of the year ending 30 June 1972 and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in ·respec t of the year ending 30 June 1972 relating to the following departmental estimates:

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I Document* Page Division

Department Amount No. $

A 104-107 580-584 Works . . . . . . . . 76,530,000

B 18- 19 925 Works .. . . . . . . 108,150,000

A 125 764 Civi l Defence-Repairs and Maintenance 9,000

A 125 765 Civil Defence- Buildings, Works, Fittings

and Furniture . . . . . . 10,000

A 40-43 270- 272 Foreign Affairs . . . . . . 89,9 13 ,000

B 8 835 Foreign Affairs . . . . .. 1,614,000

A 64-65 370-374 Labour and National Service . . . . 20,500,000

B 12 860- 86.1 Labour and National Service . . .. 698,000

A 123- 124 755 Administration of the National Service

i Act .. . . . . . . 1,752,000

A 124 756 Post Discharge Resettlement Training .. 7,000

A 124 757 National Service-Vocational Training-

Technical Training . . .. 759,000

A 24 -28 230-241 Education and Science .. . . . . 154, 134,000

B 6- 7 825- 827 Education and Science .. . . .. 18 ,601,000

A 123 750 National Service-Vocational Training-

University Courses .. . . 758,000

A 36-38 260- 268 External Territories . . . . .. I I I ,495 ,000

B 7 832 External Territo rie s .. . . 10,108,700

A 49 310 I Housi ng . . . . . . .. 7,235,000

B 9

I 845

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Housing .. . . . . . . 60,451,000

* Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1972' . * Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision fo r Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 .Tunc 1972'.

The Chairman called on D iv isions 580-584, Department of Works, $76,530,000

(Document A). The Minister for Works (Senator Wright) made a statement to the Committee on Estimates for the Department of Works 1971-72. Discussion ens ued on the Department of Works generally.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered by the Committee:

Document A

Division 5 SO-Administra tive Division 582-Furniture and Fittings Division 584-Repairs and Maintenance

Document B D ivision 925-Capital Works and Services

Document A Division 764-Civil Defence-Repairs and Maintenance Division 765-Civil Defence-Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture

$

47,830,000 2 ,8 00,000 25 ,900,000

108,150,000

9,000

10,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Departm ent of Works concluded.

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4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPART­ MENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Foreign Affairs:

Mr H. Marshall, Acting First Assistant Secretary (Management Services Division) . Mr I. G. Bowden, Assistant Secretary (Personnel Branch). Mr R. G . Spratt, Assistant Secretary (Aid Branch) , Mr J. P. Walshe, Acting Assistant Secretary (Services Branch). Mr J. D . McCredie, Acting Assistant Secretary (Information and Cultural

Relations Branch) . Mr P. O'Hehir, Acting for the Director, Overseas Property Section. Mr R. E. Johns, Director, Finance Section. Treasury Offic ial: Mr D. J. Hill.

The Minister for Works (Senator Wright) made a statement to the Committee on Estimates for the Department of Foreign Affairs 1971-72. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A

Division 270-Administrative Division 272-0verseas Service

Document B

$

64,327,700 25 ,585 ,300

Division 835-Capital Works and Services 1, 6 14,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Foreign Affairs concluded. And it being 10.15 p.m.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present : Senators Carrick, Davidson, Little, Milliner, Primmer, Sim and Young (7) . Senators Georges, Murphy, Prowse and Webster also took part in the Com­ mittee's proceedings.

J.P. SIM Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 14 THURSDAY, 28 OCTOBER 1971 1. MEETING: The Committee met at 2.15 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Sim)

took the Chair. 2. MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITIEE: The Chairman announced that Senator Buttfield had been appointed a member of the Committee in the place of Senator Young, resigned. 3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPART­

MENT OF LABOUR AND NATIONAL SERVICE : Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Labour and National Service : Dr P. H. Cook, O.B.E., Secretary.

Mr M. Kangan, First Assistant Secretary (Employment and Training). Mr B. K. Phelan, Assistant Secretary (National Service and External Relations) . Mr D . M. Halpin, Assistant Secretary (Management Services) .

Mr J. T. Ryder, Finance Officer. Treasury Official: Mr D. J. Hill. The Minister for Works (Senator Wright) made a statement to the Committee on Estimates for the Department of Labour and National Service 1971-72. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 370--Administrative Division 372-Public Service Arbitrator's Office Division 374--Commonwealth Hostels Limited

Document B Division 860-Capital Works and Services Division 861-0ther Services

Document A Division ?55-Administrati on of the National Service Act Division 756--Post Discharge Resettlement Training Division ?57-National Semce-Vocational Training-

Technical Training Division 758-Commonwealtb Hostels Limited-Build­ ings, Works and Equipment-Exmouth Guest House . . Division ?59-Commonwealth Hostels Limited-Contribu­

tion to Operational Expenses-Exmouth Guest House

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20,361 ,000 112,000 27 ,000

348,000 350,000

1,752,000 7,000

759,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Labour and National Service concluded.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPART­ MENT OF EDUCATION AND SCIENCE: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Education and Science:

Mr H. K. Coughlan, Senior Assistant Secretary, Education Facilities and Territorial Education Division. Mr A. P. Anderson, Acting First Assistant Secretary. Mr D. M. Morrison, Senior Assistant Secretary, Student Assistance and

International Education Division. Dr R. I. Garrod, Senior Assistant Secretary, Science Division. Mr C. A. Webster, Director, Establishments. Mr L. Lewis, Acting Chairman, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial

Research Organization. Dr J. A. Alllen, Executive Officer, 'Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization. Mr R. W. Viney, Finance Manager, Commonwealth Scientific and Indus­

trial Research Organization. Mr S. Lattimore, Assis:tant Secretary (Industrial and Physica l Sciences) , Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organiza:tioa. Mr K. L. Avent, Assistant Secretary (Agricultural and Biological Sciences) ,

Commo:nw,ealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization. Mr R. Gillett, Operations Officer, Australian Universities Commission. Mr N. Macmullen, Executive Officer, Metric Conversion Board.

Treasury O fficial: Mr D. J. Hill.

The Minister for Works (Senator Wright) made a statement to the Committee on Estimates for the Department of Education and Science 1971-72.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A

Division 230-Administrative Division 231-Metric Conversion Board Divis.ion 232-Educational Services .. Division 234-Anglo-Australian Telescope Board

Division 236--Australian Universities Commission Division 237-Australian Commission on Advanced Education Division 238-The Australian National University Division 239--Canberra College of Advanced Education . .

Division 240-National Standards Commission

$

53,054,000 545 ,000 0,962,000 267,000

307,000

128,000 29,135,000 2,250,000 186,000

The Minister for Works {Senator Wright) made a statement to the Committee on Estimates for the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial : Research Organization 1971-72.

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The following particulars of proposed expenditure were .considered·: Document A Division 241-Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization .. .

Document B 'Division 825-Capital Works and Services Division 826-Payments to or for the States Division 827-0ther Services Document A

Division 750-National Service-Vocational Training-

$

$0,300,000

14,040,000 4,346,000 215,000

University Courses 758,000

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of Education and Science concluded.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPART­ MENT OF EXTERNAL TERRITORIES: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of External Territories :

Mr A. W. Richardson, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Economic Affairs, Mr L. W. Temby, Assistant Secretary, Finance. Mr L. F. Hennessy, Assistant Secretary, Social Development. Mr P. J. Galvin, Assistant Secretary, Defence and International Relations.

Mr G. M. Baird, Acting Assistant Secretary, Legal. Mr A. J. Sutherland, Assistant Secretary, Public Employment. Mr A. C. Campbell, Officer-in-Charge, Government (Smaller Territories). Treasury Official: Mr D. J. Hill. The Minister for Works (Senator Wright) made a statement to the Committee

on Estimates for the Department of External Territories 1971-72. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

Document A Division 260-Administrative Division 262-Christmas Island Division 263-Cocos (Keeling) Islands Division 264-Norfolk Island Division 266-Papua New Guinea-Miscellaneous

Services Division 268-Australian School of Pacific Administration

Document B Division 832-Capital Works and Services

$

3,439,000 490,000 506,000 116,000

106,582,000 362,000

10,108 ,700

Consideration of proposed expenditure for the Department of External Terri­ tories concluded. And it being 5.17 p.m.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

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7. ATIENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Bishop, Buttfield, Carrick, Davidson, Little, Milliner, Primmer and Sim (8). Senator McLaren, Mulvihill and Webster also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 15 THURSDAY, 25 NOVEMBER 1971 1. MEETING: The Committee met at 8.00 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Sim )

took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1971-72-DEPART­ MENT OF HOUSING: Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Wright, Minister for Works, accompanied by the following officers of the Department of Housing: Mr K. D. A. Medbury, Director of War Service Homes and First Assistant

Secretary (Management Services) . Mr T . J. Kelly, First Assistant Secretary (Operations ). Mr A. Selleck, Acting First Assistant Secretary (Policy and Research) . Mr J. B. Elliott, Director (Finance).

Mr J. J. O'Brien, Acting Director (Establishments). Treasury Official: Mr F. V. Colvin.

The Minister for Works (Senator Wright) made a statement to the Committee on Estimates for the Department of Housing 1971-72. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered :

Document A Division 31 0-Administrative

Document B Division 845-Capital Works and Services

$

7,235,000

60,451,000

3. MINUTES: The minutes of the meetings held on 12 October (two) and 28 October were read and confirmed.

4. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered a draft of the Committee's report to the Senate. Senator Milliner moved-That the Report be adopted. Debate ensued. Question-put and passed.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 8.46 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members -of the Committee were present: Senators Carrick, Milliner and Sim ( 3). Senators Cant and McLaren al so took part in the Committee's proceedings.

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee D has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

On 16 September 1971, the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1972 and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1972, relating to the following departmental estimates:

Document* Page Division

Department Amount No. $

A 19-20 170--172 Civil Aviation .. .. . . 88,830,000

B 5 810 Civil Aviation .. .. . . 9,576,000

A 95-97 520--530t Trade and Industry . . .. .. 39,641 ,000

B 16 910 Trade and Industry .. . . . . 115,500

A 96 524 Australian Tourist Commission .. . . 2,650,000

A 67-70 390--402 National Development .. . . .. 39,680,000

B 12 865 National Development. . .. .. 22,893,000

A 87-89 480--490 Shipping and Transport .. . . 90,936,000

B 14-15 890--891 Shipping and Transport . . .. 31,264,000

A 22 210 Customs and Excise .. . . .. 34,879,000

B 6 820 Customs and Excise .. . . . . 161 ,600

A 55-62 350-368 Interior . . . . . . .. 118,648,000

B 9-11 855 Interior . . .. .. . . 116,940,300

A 123 752 Civil Defence . . . . . . 812,000

* Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1972'. * Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1972'. t Less $2,650,000-Division 524-Australian Tourist Commission.

The Committee has considered these particulars of proposed expenditure and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Civil Aviation, Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, and officers of the Departments concerned.

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings is tabled with this Report. The Hansard report of the evidence given before the Committee will be made available for the information of Senators.

In accordance with undertakings gi ven by the Minister during the hearings, further information was supplied to the Committee in reply to qu estions raised during the proceedings. Copies o.f the documents containing this information are included as an Appendix to this Report.

The Committee extends its appreciation to the Minister for Civil Av iati on, Senator the Hon. R . C. Cotton, and to those departmental officers attending th e Committee. for their co-operation and assistance.

The Committee places on record its appreciation of th e detailed explanation s of the particulars of proposed expenditure provided by the Minister on behalf of

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his and other Departments. The Committee particularly records its apprec1at1on of the manner of presentation of the explanations of the estimates for the Depart­ ment of the Interior and the detailed notes incorporated therewith.

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APPENDIX

Dear Senator Laucke,

Minister for Civil Aviation, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 26 October 1971

During the hearings of the Department of Civil Aviation Estimates for 1971-72 by Senate Estimates Committee D on 12 October 1971, I undertook to provide you with further information on a number of subjects.

The required information is now submitted on the attached statements.

Senator Devitt also asked a number of questions about the detail of negotiations for the transfer of airports to local authorities. As the information is required personally by Senator Devitt, I have sent it directly to him.

During the hearing, I answered a question from Senator Bishop about adjustments to current aircraft engines to reduce noise levels. Unfortunately, my answer referred to adjustments to engines to ensure smoke-free operations rather than to adjustments for noise levels. The question of 'retrofitting' aircraft for noise

abatement is still under consideration by the International Civil Aviation Organisa­ tion. However, new sub-sonic aircraft certificated after March 1972 will be required to meet new stringent standards developed by I.C.A.O. In addition, Boeing 74 7's certificated after 1 December 1971 will also comply with these standards. In

general, this means that new jet aircraft will be substantially quieter than existing comparable jet aircraft.

I trust that the foregoing and attached statements are helpful to you .

The Chairman, Senate Estimates Committee D, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely,

ROBERT COTTON

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D-ESTIMATES OF DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION 1971-72

Temporary Employees

Senator Bishop asked for the number of staff employed by the Department, and how many of these were temporary (page 107 of Hansard) .

Permanent Employees at 30 June 1971 7,433

Temporary Employees at 30 June 1971 2,045

Total Employees at 30 June 1971 9,478

Note: Approximately 25 per cent of temporary employees could expect to be permanently appointed in due course.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D-ESTIMATES OF DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION 1971-72

Number of Psychologists Employed

Senator Durack asked why the number of psychologists employed by the Depart­ ment had doubled (from 3 to 6) between 30 June 1970 and 30 June 1971 (page 108 of Hansard).

An establishment of six psychologist positions was approved in 1969, an increase of two positions over the previous establishment which had been created in 1965. The additional positions were created to cope with increased volume of work. Chronic problems of recruitment and retention of psychologists led to the situation in which only three positions were occupied at 30 June 1970. An intensive recruitment programme in late 1970 and early 1971 resulted in all positions being occupied by 30 June 1971.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D-ESTIMATES OF DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION 1971-72

Air PDots Guild

Senator Murphy asked if the Air Pilots Guild is given complete co-operation and recognition by the Department (page 112 of Hansard).

Yes, insofar as it is responsible for industrial matters, the Department gives industrial recognition to the Air Pilots Guild. As I said at the hearing, the Department of Labour and National Service is responsible for labour relations.

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M.M.A. AIRCRAFT AT FITZROY CROSSING

Senator Cant asked for the result of any inquiry about an M.M.A. aircraft, short of fuel, landing at Fitzroy Crossing (page 115 of Hansard). The incident involved a MacRobertson Miller Airline Fokker Fellowship air­ craft, registered VH-FKC, on Flight No. 1792 from Port Hedland to Derby on

31 July 1971. The aircraft arrived in the Derby circuit at 3.13 a.m. but was unable to land because of fog which had developed rapidly during the final stages of the flight to Derby. The Captain carried out two instrument approaches but could not see

the runway at the completion of either. Following advice from the Flight Service Unit at Derby, that Broome was not available because of fog, the Captain diverted the aircraft to Fitzroy Crossing and landed there at 4.30 a.m. The Captain estimated he had 300-600 lb of fuel remaining when the engines were shut down. Lack of illumination on ·the aero­ drome prevented the Captain from taxiing the aircraft further than clear of the runway.

The requirement for ensuring that the aircraft has sufficient fuel, including fuel for diversion to the nominated alternate aerodrome when required, is the responsibility of the pilot-in-command. In non-controlled airspace such as exists at Derby the decision to divert to an alternate aerodrome is also the responsibility

of the pilot-in-command.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D-ESTIMATES OF DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION 1971-72

D.C.A. REPRESENTATION AT I.A.T.A.

Senator Murphy asked if the Department of Civil Aviation has ever been repre-· sented at meetings of the International Air Transport Association (page 116 of Hansard). The Department of Civil Aviation is never represented at I.A.T.A.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D-ESTIMA TES OF DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION 1971-72

T.A.A. APPLICATION FOR PERTII-DARWIN ROUTE

Senator Cant asked what type of aircraft T.A .A. proposes to use if it is granted permission to operate the Perth-Darwin route (page 128 of Hansard). T.A.A. has not specified a particular aircraft type in its application for an airline licence to operate Perth-Darwin with an intermediate stop at Port Hedland.

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NUMBER OF PILOTS EMPLOYED IN D.C.A.

Senator Townley asked for the number of pilots employed in D.C.A. (page 132 of Hansard).

There were 93 professional pilots employed as such in D.C.A. at 30 September 1971. Examiners of Airmen Airways Surveyors

Flight Test Officers

Total

50 30 13

93

There are also many officers who can, and do, fly aircraft in order to carry out their duties in remote and other areas.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D-ESTIMATES OF DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION 1971-72

ANNUAL COST OF OPERATING D.C.A. AIRCRAFT

Senator Townley asked for the total estimated cost of operating D;C.A. aircraft in a year (page 132 of Hansard).

Item

Aircraft Maintenance .. Fuel . . . . . .

Salaries and Allowances of Flight Crew and Administrative Staff* ..

Buildings and Equipment Maintenance ..

Totals

1969-70

$

660,805 128,640

336,788 33 ,8 19

1,160,052

1970-71

$

790,173 130,854

352,964 34,262

1,308,253

* These costs include the salaries and allowances of D .C. A. pilots employed full time in the Flying Unit. They do not include costs of pilots not employed in the Flying Unit itself, e.g. Examiners and Air Safety Inspectors.

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COBAR AERODROME

Senator Douglas McClelland asked if D.C.A. estimates included an amount for taxiway drainage works at Cobar aerodrome, New South Wales (page 139 of Hansard) .

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The drainage proposals for Cobar aerodrome have not yet reached a stage where a finn cost estimate can be obtained so that it may be included in the 1971-72 programme. Nor has the extent of the work needed yet been justified. If approved, funds can be made available within the scope of the vote.

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D-ESTIMATES OF DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION 1971-72

NYNGAN AERODROME

Senator Douglas McClelland asked whether the estimates included provision for a radio beacon and an electrical flare path at Nyngan (page 139 of Hansard).

A non-directional beacon (NDB), a prerequisite for night operations, will be installed at Nyngan during the next three to four months. Discussions will be held during this period with the local authority about the financial arrangements for a flare path.

Dear Senator Laucke,

Minister for Civil Aviation, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 9 November 1971.

The attached letter from my colleague, the Minister for National Development, th e Honourable R. W. C. Swartz, refers to matters raised during the Senate Estimates Committee D hearings on 28 October 1971.

The information is forwarded for yo ur distribution, please.

Senator C. L. Laucke, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

My dear Minister,

Yours sincerely,

ROBERT COTTON

Minister for National Development, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 4 November 1971.

During the Senate Estimates Committee D hearings on 28 October 1971 , several questions were directed to you and my supporting departmental officers upon which it was agreed that further information wou ld be provided to the Committee.

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On three of these questions namely those regarding publication results of water resources research; the International Tin Council and the number of computer hours hired from C.S.I.R.O., answers have been prepared and will be available to the Committee.

A series of questions relating to offshore minerals was put by Senator Cant. I would be glad if you would confirm the information given at the hearing that titles for the exploration of minerals offshore other than petroleum have been issued by Queensland, New South Wales and Tasmania after reference to and concurrence

by the Commonwealth. I might add that the number of titles is four in Queensland, seven in New South Wales and three in Tasmania.

Senator Cant also asked under what authority are the States issuing titles and on what authority is the Commonwealth confirming them. The titles are being issued by the States pursuant to their own mining legislation and consistently with an arrangement offered by my predecessor, the Hon. D. E. Fairbairn, and the forn1er Attorney-General, the Hon. N. H. Bowen, at a meeting of the Minerals Council in September 1969. The effect of this arrangement was that pending

agreement as to the nature and form of a regime for offshore minerals other than petroleum, titles would continue to be issued by the States; for its part the Com­ monwealth undertook that in any legislation it might introduce it would confirm such titles providing there had been prior consultation and agreement by the Commonwealth before new titles were issued.

I fear it will not be possible to provide answers to the remainder of Senator Cant's questions in time for incorporation in the report of Senate Estimates Committee D. There would be a considerable task in collating the relevant information and in relation to some matters it would be necessary to obtain data from the respective States. Moreover, some of the questions concern matters of general Government policy which are being given serious consideration by the Government and announcements as to the course which will be followed will be made at an appropriate time.

Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T.

Yours sincerely,

R. W. SWARTZ

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Dear Senator Laucke,

Minister for Civil Aviation, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 4 November 1971.

At a meeting of Estimates Committee 'D' on Thursday, 28 October, on the Estimates of Expenditure of the Department of National Development, I promised information on a number of matters to certain members of your Committee. The Minister for National Development, has now supplied me with material and

I enclose ten copies for the information of you and your Committee.

Senator C. L. Laucke, Chairman, Senate Estimates Committee 'D', Parliament House,

Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

Yours sincerely,

ROBERT COTTON

Division 390/3/03-Water Resources Research, $200,000

Statemt?nt

Senator Cotton-Mr Chairman, we will make available through you to the members of the Committee a list of the publications and, on request, they will be made available to anybody who wants any of them .

A list of the Departmental publications on water resources is as follows:

Australian Water Resources Council Publications

Review of Australia's Water Resources (Stream Flow and Underground Resources) 1963 , 1965 , 33.7 x 20.8 em, 115 pp, price $2.00. (Out of print.) Review of Australia's Water Resources (Monthly Rainfall and Evaporation), Commonwealth Bureau of Meteorology, Melbourne, 1968. In two parts (separate volumes). Part 1 contains an explanatory text and tabulations of rainfall statistics

by drainage divisions . 30.8 x 21 em, 665 pp, price S 14.00. Part 2 contains maps showing the distribution of the 1Oth, 50th and 90th percentile rainfall and the mean and standard deviation of evaporation. 42 x 34.8 em, 53 sheets, price $8.00. (Obtainable only from the Bureau of Meteorology.)

A. W.R .C. Hydrological Series No. 1-A survey of Water Desalination Methods and Their Relevance to Australia, 1966, 27 x 21.4 em, 50 pp , price $1.50. No. 2-The Representative Basin Concept in Australia (A Progress Report),

1969, 29 x 21 em, 24 pp , maps, price $1.50. No. 3-Sediment Sampling in Australia, Report of a Working Group of the Technical Committee on Surface Water, 1969, 29 x 21 em, 50 pp, price $2.00.

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No. 4-Evaporation from Water Storages, 1970, 29 x 21 em, 81 pp, price $2.80.

No. 5-Estimating Evapotranspiration: An Evaluation of Techniques, Report by an Advisory Panel, 1970, 25 x 17.6 em, 23 pp, price 30c.

No. 6-Evaporation from an Area. (In press.) (Others in preparation.)

A.W.R.C. Technical Papers

No. 1- A.W.R.C. Research Project 68 / 5, Field Study of Evaporation: Installation, Operation and Maintenance of Equipment, Snowy Mountains Engineering Corporation, March 1971, 29.2 x 20.3 em, 137 pp, illus., gratis (limited circulation).

No. 2-A.W.R.C. Research Project 68 / 5, Field Study of Evaporation: Notes on the Extraction and Computation of Data, Snowy Mountains Engineering Corporation, March 1971, 29.2 x 20.3 em, 29 pp, illus. , gratis (limited circulation).

Other Publications

Water Resources Newsletter, published twice a year in June and December. Jt contains an account of the activities of the A.W.R.C. and its Committees and Panels as well as news items and notes on water resources measurement, research and development in Australia, 25 x 17.6 em, gratis (limited circulation).

Inventory of Current Research into Water Resources and Directly Related Matters, prepared by the Secretariat on behalf of the Water Research and Education Steering Committee, 1965, 33.7 x 20.8 em, 130 pp, gratis.

Water Resources Research Inventory, 1969, 25 x 17.6 em, 212 pp, price $2.20

Inventory of Water Resources Research in Australia, 1970, 25 x 17.6 em , 317 pp, price $5.50.

Stream Gauging Information, Australia, June 1965, 27.2 x 21.4 em, 157 pp, price $1.00 and 1966, 1967 and 1968 Annual Supplements, 29.7 x 21 em, 163 pp, price $1 .50.

Stream Gauging Information, Australia, December 1969, 1971, 29.7 x 21 em , 169 pp, map, price $2.50.

Quality Aspects of Farm Water Supplies (Report by Victorian Irrigation Research and Advisory Services Committee), 1969, 25 x 17.6 em, 52 pp, price $1.00.

Desalination, A Survey of Australian Plants, by L. S. Herbert and D. H. Moffatt, 1970, 25 x 17.6 em, 250 pp, price $3.00.

Standards fer Interchange of Surface Hydrologic Data on Computer Media, 1970, 29.7 x 21 em, 51 pp, gratis (limited circulation.) (In press for wider circulation.)

Effects of Land Management on Quantity and Quality of Available Water­ A Review, W. C. Boughton, A.W.R.C. Research Projects 68/2 (Report No. 120, Water Research Laboratory, University of New South· Wales:, Manly Vale, N.S.W. ), 1970, 25.5 x 20.3 em, 330 pp, price $2.75.

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Other Relevant Publications

Atlas of Australian Resources, Sec.ond Series, Surface. Water Resources map sheet at Scale 1 : 6,000,000 and booklet commentary, 1967, price 75c.

Atlas of Australian Resources, Second Series, Rainfall, second edition, map sheet and booklet commentary, 1970, price 75c. (A list showing all resources map sheets for sale is available free of charge.)

Major Development Projects, Australia, June 1970, 29 x 21 em, 206 pp, price $2.00 (published every two years; includes water resources development projects under construction and completed during previous two-year period) .

Division 390/3/04-Intemational Tin Council-Contribution, $631,800

Question S.mator Cant-To what extent does the U.S. influence the International Tin Agreement? I gathered from the report that we had when the Bill to ratify the Agreement was going through Parliament that a certain number of vo tes

were allocated to the U.S. In the schedule to the Bill the number of votes to which each country would be entitled was set out. I gathered from that that the U.S. did in some way influence the nature of the Agreement, but she is not a party to the Agreement.

Answer The broad answers given by the Department at the hearing on 28 October are confirmed. The United States is not a member of the Fourth International Tin Agreement. However, when the Agreement was being prepared at a conference held under the auspices of UNCT AD, a schedule was included showing the pro­

posed voting powers of both producing and consuming countries taking into account the significance, in relation to tin, of those countries participating in the negotiating conference. A copy of this schedule is attached as Annex A. As the United States did not join the Fourth International Tin Agreement it has no votes

as a consuming member, nor does it sit in the International Tin Council. None­ theless, as indicated at the hearing on 28 October, there is close co-operation between the United States and the Tin Council, particularly in relation to the disposal of surplus United States tin.

It might be added that 7 producing and 20 consuming countries joined the Fourth Agreement which carne into force on 1 July 1971. At its first meeting, acting under the provisions of the Agreement, the Tin Council revised the voting powers of members who had joined the new agreement. A copy of this revision

is at Annex B. It will be noted that the United States is not in the list of consuming countries.

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ANNEX A

Percentages and votes of producing countries

Votes

Country Percentage

Initial Additional Total

Australia . . .. .. . . 2.82 5 27 32

Bolivia .. . . .. . . 16.98 5 164 169

Congo (Democratic Republic of) .. .. 4.51 5 44 49

Indonesia .. .. .. . . 9.14 5 88 93

Malaysia .. .. . . .. 45.83 5 442 447

Nigeria (Federal Repu blic of) .. .. 6.36 5 61 66

Thailand . . . . .. . . 14.36 5 139 144

Total . . . . .. . . 100.00 35 965 1,000

Note. The countries, percentages and votes listed in this annex are those arrived at during the United Nations Tin Conference, 1970, at which the Fourth International Tin Agreement was drawn up. The list of names and the figures are subject to revision from time to time in accordance with the operation of the provisions of the Agreement.

ANNEX B

Tonnages and votes of consuming countries

Country

Austria . . . .

Belgium/Luxembourg .. Bulgaria .. ..

Canada . . ..

China (Taiwan) .. . .

Czechoslovakia . . ..

Denmark . . . .

ranee . . . .

,ermany (Federal Republic of) F

G H I

I

J

K M N p

ungary . . . .

ndia .. . . ..

taly .. . . . .

apan .. .. ..

orea (Republic of) . .

exico . . ..

etherlands . . ..

hilippines . . ..

oland .. . . . .

pain .. . . . .

urkey . . ..

nited Kingdom ..

nited States . . ..

..

..

. .

. .

. .

..

. .

. .

. .

. .

..

. .

..

..

. .

..

. .

. .

. .

. .

. .

. .

p

s

T u

u

u

y

nion of Soviet Socialist Republics ugoslavia .. .. . .

Total .. .. . .

Tonnage metric tons Initial

.. 600 5

. . 2,770 5

.. 254 5

.. 4,508 5

.. 284 5

.. 3,153 5

.. 737 5

. . 10,430 5

.. 12,010 5

.. 1,151 5

. . 4,234 5

.. 6,319 5

. . 23,046 5

.. 265 5

.. 1,612 5

. . 4,555 5

. . 630 5

.. 3,470 5

.. 1,798 5

. . 914 5

. . 17,705 5

. . 58,970 5

.. 6,600 5

.. 1,565 5

. . 167,580 120

Votes

Additional Total

3 8

15 20

1 6

24 29

2 7

17 22

4 9

55 60

63 68

6 11

22 27

33 38

121 126

1 6

8 13

24 29

3 8

18 23

9 14

5 10

93 98

310 315

35 40

8 13

880 1,000

Note. The countries, tonnages and votes listed in this annex are those arrived at during the United Nations Tin Conference, 1970, at which the Fourth International Tin Agreement was drawn up. The list of names and the figures are subject to revision from time to time in accordance with the operation of the provisions of the Agreement.

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INTERNATIO NAL TIN COUNCIL-MEMBERSHIP AND VOTES

ANNEX A (Producers) (from 1 July 1971)

CountrY Percentage

Initial Additional votes votes

Australia . . .. . . . . 2 . 89 5 28

Bolivia . . .. . . . . 18 . 36 5 177

Congo (Democratic Republic of) . . . . 3.93 5 38

Indonesia .. .. .. .. 11.65 5 112

Malaysia .. . . .. . . 45 .02 5 435

Nigeria (Federal Republic of ) .. .. 4 .86 5 47

Thailand .. . . .. . . 13.29 5 128

100.00 35 965

ANNEX B (Consumers) (from 1 July 1971)

CountrY Tonnage

Initial Additional votes votes

Austria .. . . .. .. 596 5 5

Belgium/Luxembourg .. . . . . 2,945 5 24

Bulgaria . . .. . . . . 670 5 5

Canada . . .. . . . . 4,313 5 35

China (Republic of) .. . . .. 339 5 3

Czechoslovakia .. .. . . . . 3,548 5 29

Denmark .. .. . . . . 740 5 6

France .. .. . . .. 10,409 5 85

Germany (Federal Republic of) . . .. 13,029 5 106

Hungary .. . . . . . . 1,195 5 10

India . . . . .. .. . . 4,512 5 37

Italy . . . . . . . . . . 6,500 5 53

Japan .. .. .. . . . . 24,396 5 199

Korea (Republic of) .. . . . . 257 5 2

Netherlands .. .. . . . . 4,857 5 40

Poland . . .. . . . . 3,597 5 29

Spain . . .. .. . . . . 2,301 5 19

United Kingdom . . .. .. 17,476 5 142

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics .. 7,400 5 60

Yugoslavia .. . . . . .. 1,335 5 11

110,415 100 900

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Total votes

33 182 43 ll7 440

52 133

1,000

Total votes

10 29 10 40

8

34 II

90 111 15 42

58 204 7

45 34 24 147

65 16

1,000

Division 396/2/13-Computer Services, $220,000

Question Senator Townley-How many hours of .work do you hire from C.S.I.R.O.?

Answer

900 hours in 1970-71, and an estimated 1132 hours in 1971-72.

Division 398/3-0ther Services, $129,800

Question

Senator Cant-Can you tell me, Mr Minister, whether any research is being carried out, or has been carried out, into the cause of dieback in the jarrah forests of Western Australia?

Answer

The problem of 'dieback' of jarrah in Western Australia has received consider­ able attention. The disease has affected at least 100,000 acres of jarrah forest in which this valuable timber tree has either been killed or is dying. The primary pathogen causing the disease, Phytophthora cinnamomi, has been isolated and further work is continuing on its control.

Since 1964, an intensive research programme has been initiated by the Forestry and Timber Bureau and the West Australian Forests Department. Research approaches include: screening species for resistance, ecological studies and site delineation, aspects of control and sanitation. Basic aspects of the fungus, its spore forms, methods of infection and survival are also being studied.

Two fellowships at Australian Universities for the study of jarrah dieback­ a post doctoral at the Australian National University and a post-graduate at the University of Western Australia-have been funded by the Forests Department.

The Commonwealth Government has already sponsored two eminent plant pathologists and Phytophthora cinnamomi experts to visit Western Australia and advise on avenues for investigation and possible control measures. The reports of both Professor Zentmyer (University of California, Riverside) and Professor Newhook (University of Auckland, New Zealand) have been received and both commented favourably on the work currently in progress, but strongly advocated an expansion of the research effort, with the appointment of additional personnel.

The important fact emerging from a recent conference was the knowledge that it has been found in most States in Australia. The problem is associated with both forestry and agriculture and because of this it has been suggested that the Agricul­ tural Council be approached with a view to establishing a working party on th e pathogen.

The existence of the fungus in the forests of Western, Southern and Eastern Australia has been proved and it, or other species of the genus, is causing concern in horticulture and agriculture generally.

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The 4th Australian Plant Pathologists' Conference will be held in Hobart during November 1971 and one of the major items for discussion at this Con­ ference will be the current status of Phytophthora cinnamomi in both forestry and agriculture. It is expected that a thorough review of the problem will re sult

from the Conference. The incidence of the disease in eastern mainland Australia and Tasmania, appears quite different to its occurrence in Western Australia and its association with dieback in eucalypt and pine plantations appears to be part of a general ecological problem bound up with nutrient deficiencies, adverse soil conditiom

and other factors. Although Phytophthora cinnamomi is found through most forest areas in the east, it does not appear to be the primary cause of dieback or death in these forest areas.

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413

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

DEPARTMENT OF CUSTOMS AND EXCISE ESTIMATES HEARING

4 NOVEMBER 1971

Hansard Pages 344, 345 and 346

Senator Bishop's Questions: (A) At 30 June 1971 there were 1,453 officers acting in positions higher than the classifications to which they have been permanently appointed. The main reasons for these officers acting in higher positions are, positions provided with an embargo and thus cannot be permanently filled; relief for furlough and other leave such as recreation, sick and special circumstances. Also, there are permanent positions temporarily occupied pending a permanent appointment.

The total staff of the Department includes 220 temporary employees. (Term 'officer' relates to staff which have been permanently appointed to the Public Service.) Primarily, temporary employees are engaged to fill temporary vacancies caused by officers acting in higher positions or away on various types of leave and to occupy permanent positions where it has not been able to recruit qualified staff, i.e., Typists, Machinists, Clerical Assistants.

Some of these temporary employees would be qualified for permanent appoint­ ment but cannot meet the required medical standards, others are unqualified and another group would be eligible for appointment but permanent vacancies do not exist to which they can be appointed.

(B) The explanatory notes for the 1970-71 Estimates for Expenditure under Division 210/ 1/ 01/03 Item D provided $457,155 for an expected increase in employment in 1970-71 , i.e., the filling of positions already created. The Depart­ mental witness (Mr Walsh) indicated that off-hand he thought the provision in

the 19 71-72 Estimates would be greater than the 1970-71 figure because of increases in the rates of salary. However, a check of the 1971-72 figure indicated that it has been necessary to provide for a greater full-time effect of positions filled than was the case in the 1970-71 estimate. Thus, this increase, together with

the increased rates of salary, are the main reasons for the difference between th e two estimates.

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

DEPARTMENT OF CUSTOMS AND EXCISE ESTIMATES HEARING

Senator Jessop's Question:

4 NOVEMBER 1971

lial1sard Page 345

In 1970-71 the total Departmental staff employed increased by 185. Of these, twenty were recruited for the Narcotics Bureau.

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SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

DEPARTMENT OF CUSTOMS AND EXCISE -ESTIMATES HEARING

Senator Townley's Question:

4 NOVEMBER 1971

Hansard Page 350

Attached hereto is a list of books, periodicals and costs required by the Customs Laboratories during 1971-72.

Laboratory Material

LIBRARY ESTIMATES 1911-72

SUMMARY

(a) Central Office purchases:

Books ..

Journals

(b ) Central Office orders for States: Journals (c) Reserve held for purchase of unprogrammed books and journals for remainder of year . . ,

(d) Total expenditure estimated

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$

937 455

1,392

14,354

2,250 17,996

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LffiRARY ESTIMATES 1971-72

PART I. Laboratory Vote: Books and journals purchased for Customs laboratories since July 1971, are itemised below.

Author

McCutcheon

Gordon, Maxwell Hocking, George M. Winchell

Hartshorne, N . H. Bloss, F. D. Stafford .. Wallis, T. E. Cook, Gordon Benedetti-Pichler, A. A. Kingsbury, John M. Lindquist, Frank . . Clarke, E. G. C ...

Kamlet, M. J. Winchell, A. N ...

United States (Health De-partment) Gupta ..

Larsen ..

Crabbe, Pierre

El-Badry, Hamid M. Van Nostrand

Standards Association of Australia Australia

Australia (Department of Trade) Great Britain (Health De-partment) Porter ..

Winefordner Parham Phillips .. Phillips .. Breslow . . Denney .. Fieser . .

Hardin . .

Claus

Title

Detergents and Emulsifiers 1971 Condensed Chemical Dictionary Psychopharmacological Agents (2 volumes) .. Dictionary of Terms in Pharmacognosy Microscopical characters of artificial inorganic sub-

stances Crystals and the polarising microscope Introduction to the methods of optical crystallography L.S.D. in action Textbook of Pharmacognosy A.B.C. of plant terms Identification of materials Deadly harvest .. Methods of forensic science (4 volumes) Isolation and identification of drugs Organic electronic spectral data (4 volumes) The optical properties of organic compounds

Psychotropic drugs and related compounds ..

Identification guide for tablets and capsules The microscopic determination of new opaque materials Optical rotary dispersion and circular dichroism in organic chemistry Micromanipulators and micromanipulation Scientific Encyclopaedia (2 copies) .. Penguin Dictionary of Electronics .. British Standards Yearbook 1971 Annual list 1971

United States Adopted Names Report of the Senate Select Committee on Drug Traf­ ficking and Drug Abuse (3 copies) British Veterinary Codex and Supplement .. Seafood processing

Amphetamines, barbiturates and LSD and Cannabis

Mass spectrometry of heterocyclic compounds Spectrochemical methods of analysis Synthesis and reactions and organic chemistry Organic electronic spectral data (Volume 5) Organic electronic spectral data (Volume 6) Organic reaction mechanisms Named organic compounds Reagents for organic synthesis Human poisoning from native cultivated plants Pharmacognosy . .

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Price

s

25 25 62 13

20 30 13 6

12 5

21 5

65 40 150 20

20

31 2

15 16 80 2

4

3

2

5

10 2

5

24 15 23 16 20 32 29 18 35 38

Chemical Age Current Contents-Chemical Sciences European Chemical News Feed Additive Compendium ..

Flavour Industry Journal of Forensic Science . . Journal of Psychedelic Drugs Modern Plastics

Nitrogen ..

Scientific American

JOURNALS

Title

Translations on Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs Australian Journal of Forensic Science Medical Journal of Australia Prescription Proprietaries Guide Scientific Serials in Australian Libraries

Nature

Total

B. STATE OFFICES

1. The following journals have been centrally ordered for State libraries:

Chemical Abstracts (2 subscriptions) The Stadler (2 subscriptions) The Colour Index (6 subscriptions) The Analyst (4 subscriptions)

Analytical Chemistry (5 subscriptions)

Title

Association of Official Analytical Chemists Journal (5 subscriptions) Association of Public Analysts Journal (3 subscriptions) Australian Journal of Forensic Sciences (3 subscriptions) Chemistry and Industry (5 subscriptions) Journal of Chromatographic Science (4 subscriptions) .. Journal of Chromatography (4 subscriptions) .. Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences (3 subscriptions) Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture (4 subscriptions) . .

Laboratory Practice (3 subscriptions) . . Modern Plastics (4 subscriptions) The Oil and Colour Chemists Association Journal (3 subscriptions) Textile Institute Journal (3 subscriptions) Chemical and Engineering News (3 subscriptions)

British Corrosion Journal Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry Journal of Applied Chemistry Product Research and Development . . Scientific American (2 subscriptions) .. Journal of Pharmacy and Pharmacology (3 subscriptions)

Total

93

Price

s

25 85 25

23 12 50 15 25

10 10 30 16 22 62

10 35

455

Price

$

5,000 5,000 1,500 325

llO 100 30 30 160

68 940 150 208

51

160 75 170 75

36 40 52 30 20 75

14,354

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

The following are the answers to questions which were not answered at the meeting of Senate Estimates Committee D on 4 November 1971.

Senator Bishop

Hansard reference: Page 354

Question: What is the total number of staff employed by the Department of the Interior and what is the number of temporary staff?

Answer: At 30 September 1971 the total staff of the Department of the Interior was 9,484. The composition of this figure is:

Permanent .. Temporary .. Exempt

5,297 1,271 2,916

9,484

The figures include personnel (a) on leave without pay, (b) on National Service Training and (c) on full-time training courses. They exclude part-time staff.

Hansard reference: Page 356

Question: How many female officers are there in the Department of the Interior and what proportion of them are receiving equal pay?

Answer: Of the 9,484 staff mentioned earlier, 2,142 are female.

There are no fe male employees in positions for which equal pay provisions apply who are in receipt of the full adult male rate at present. Many are on 95 per cent.

The full equ al pay provisions will apply from 1 January 1972 when 31 officers in th e A. C. T. and approximately 50 in elements of the Department in the States will become entitled to 100 per cent.

Hansard reference: Page 358

Question: What a re the provisions for relief of Secretary/ Typists during casual absences?

Answer: Attention is drawn to th e Department of the Interior publication of June 1968 'Notes for the Info rmation of Members of the Commonwealth Parliament on Facilities provided for Members'. On page 9 of that publication reference is made to relief provisions as follows:

'When th e normal Secretary/ Typist is absent on furlough, recreation or sick leave for periods in excess of one week a relief Secretary/ Typist may be employed.'

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Hansard reference: Page 359

Question: (a) In consultation with other departments, what steps have been taken to develop in Adelaide a Commonwealth Centre to accommodate most or some of the 27 Commonwealth departments which are now accommodated in private offices?

(b) Is 27 the correct number of departments? (c) At present there are 27 different departments using private office accommodation?

(d) If a Commonwealth Centre were built, could most of them be accom­ modated in that Centre?

Answer: The Department is conscious of the desirability of providing Common­ wealth buildings to house departments wherever possible. The question of the provision of a Commonwealth Centre in Adelaide is under active consideration but any decision to proceed with such a proposal must be viewed against Australia-wide priorities and the availability of funds for capital works.

The situation in Adelaide is that rental levels are relatively low and stable compared with some other cities and this , together with more press ing needs in, say, Sydney and Melbourne, cause a possible Commonwealth Centre in Adelaide to have a lower priority than in those cities.

At present 22 departments occupy office space in Adelaide. All except one have some, or all, of this space in privately owned buildings.

If a Commonwealth Centre was constructed, it would most likely be of a size comparable to either the recently completed offices in Perth, which are approximately 160,000 sq ft, or the offices at present under construction in Hobart, which are approximately 150,000 sq ft.

As the Commonwealth at prese:lt leases approximately 635 ,000 sq ft of office space in Adelaide, mo st departments would therefore need to remain in leased premises.

Question: What is the total amount of rents and other charges paid for all the Commonwealth departments' offic e accommodation where they are accom­ modated in private offices?

Answer: As .at 5 November 1971 the annual rental commitment for office accom­ modation in South Australia was $2 ,353 ,4 78. Rental usually includes com­ ponents such as rates and in surance premiums payable by th e le ss or but does not normally include payments for cl eaning, lighting, etc. , which would be th e

responsibility of each occupying Department.

Question: How much is paid yearl y for offi ce accomm odation for South Australian members of the Federal Parliament?

Answer: The cost of office accommodation for South Australian members is $53,237 which includes an annual commitment of $49,700 for th e Common­ wealth Parliament Offices, A.M.P. Building, Kin g Wi ilia m Street, Adelaide .

Question: What amount was paid for making alteration s to th e A.M.P. build:ng for the Commonwealth Parliament Offi ces?

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2:194 917 1- 4

42;

Answer: No structural alterations were necessary to establish the Commonwealth Parliament Offices in the A.M.P. Building, King William Street, Adelaide. The cost of establishing the Offices, $157,729, included partitioning, carpets, fur­ niture and re-arrangement of some air-conditioning, lighting and power outlets to suit the layout of the space.

Senator Durack

Hansard reference: Pages 355 and 356

Question: What is the explanation for the large increase in the provision sought for salaries and allowances under Division 350/ 1?

Answer: The increase of $1 ,344,885 sought for 1971-72 is made up as follows: $ $

Additional cost in 1971-72 of Determination No. 346 of 1970 (Surveyors) 38,914

Additional cost in 1971-72 of Determination No. 355 of 1970 (Clerical/ Administrative and related salaries) 89,000

Additional cost in 1971-72 of P.S.B. Circular 1971 / 1-National Wage case 188,864

Additional cost in 1971-72 of Higher Duties Allowances Additional cost in 1971-72 of Increments Additional cost in 1971-72 of Other Allowances Provision for filling New Positions and the cost of

Reclassification of existing positions .. Provision for filling of Existing Positions (those vacant, 1 July 1971) Provision for the 27th Pay Additional cost in 1971-72 of Determination No. 234

of 1971 (Clerical Assistants) Additional cost in 1971-72 of Determination No. 240 of 1971 (Physical Grades) . . Increased Labour Rates (Industrial Staff) Transfer of Information and Public Relations Section

from Division 362/ 1!01

Less Reduction due to introduction of staff ceilings Reductions sought by and agreed with Treasury

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3,503 29,254 20,578

340,988

345,030 235,869

20,100

115,000 52,785

111,000

164,000 82 ,000

1,590,885

246,000

1,344,885

Seaator Cant

Hansard reference: Page 357

Question: How would a new computer require repairs and maintenance? Answer: The term 'repairs and maintenance' in this instance is used in the general sense and the entire provision of $9,000 is for maintenance of the new Honey­ well computer and associated data preparation equipment.

The Commonwealth is not responsible for any maintenance costs prior to satisfactory acceptance tests of the equipment. The Commonwealth's responsi­ bility for maintenance of the computer after acceptance tests is covered in the contract which states as follows:

'(a) Honeywell will enter into an agreement for full maintenance of the equipment including the provision of all spares and test equipment.

(b) The maintenance contract will provide weekly maintenance over a two-year period to ensure that all equipment will function at a per­ formance rate of at least 91.5 per cent during prime shift.

(c) The system will be available for scheduled preventative maintenance during prime shift between the hours of 4.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m. each Friday.

(d) Remedial maintenance will be provided on an average response time of no more than one hour over any period of one month and " down time " is to be calculated from one hour after notification of a fault to the Honeywell office in Canberra.' Honeywell in their tender agreed to enter into a contract to maintain the equipment for an initial period of two years at $8,200 per annum which

includes the cost of labour and parts. The balance of $800 provided for in 1971-72 is for maintenance of paper tape preparation machines, card punch machines and verifiers.

Hansard refe rence: Page 360 Question: What is the annual rent for the accommodation occupied at 191 St George's Terrace, Perth? Answer: The total annual rent paid for some 11,300 square feet of space occupied

by Ministers, members and senators in premises at 191 St George's Terrace, Perth, is $46,895.

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DEPARTMENT OF SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT

The Secretary, Senate Estimates Committee D, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600

24 November 1971

ln the consideration of the 1971-72 Estimates of Expenditure for the Depart­ ment of Shipping and Transport by Senate Estimates Committee D on 23 November, it was undertaken to provide additional questions asked of depart­ mental officers through the Minister.

The understood substance of the questions and the answers thereto are set out in the attachment.

K. A. MURTON Assistant Secretary Management Services Branch

Senator Jessop. Asked concerning the estimate for expenditure on salaries and allowances, what is the estimated expenditure on salaries and allowances for the Bureau of Transport Economics. Division 480/ 1, Item 01.

Answer: The estimated expenditure on salaries and allowances for the Bureau of Transport Economics during 1971-72 is $287,000.

Senator Bishop. Asked: (a) for detailed costs of materials incurred in connection with repairs to rail cars prior to dispatch to Darwin, overhaul and butcher's van, provision stores van and breakdown van; (b) costs of concrete sleepers as compared with jarrah sleepers. Division

490/ 1, Item 02.

Answer: (a) the detailed costs are as follows: Rail cars Butcher's van

Provision stores van Breakdown van

(b) the costs of sleepers at latest contract prices are:

Jarrah ..

Concrete sleepers

$

8,118 4,8 13 3,217 1,250

17,398

$

3.82 9.25

Cost of transport and handling of concrete sleepers would be greater by reason of the fact that concrete sleepers are three times he av ier.

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Senator Bishop. Asked for how many years has the contribution to South Australia in respect of the Eyre Highway remained at $25,000. Division 891 / 4.

Answer: Since 1947-48 the Commonwealth has provided financial assistance toward the cost of maintaining the highway in South Australia and Western Australia (from Penong in South Australia to Norseman in Western Australia-723 miles ). The payments were made from the Commonwealth Aid Roads Trust Account prior to 1959-60 and from Annual Appropriations since 1 July 1959 .

The payments to each of South Australia and Western Australia have been at the rate of $25,000 per annum since 1 July 1961. A condition of payment is that the State expends at least an equal amount on the highway during the financial year.

Senator Bishop. Requested details of the proposed expenditure of $300,000 for road safety promotion purposes. Division 480/ 3, Item 03.

Answer: The following statement details the expenditure for 1970-71 from an appropriation of $300,000. The 1971-72 estimate has been framed on similar premises.

Item Amount

s

Mass Media-(a) Press space . . . . . . . . . . .. .. 51 ,368

(b) Press production . . . . . . .. . . . . .. 3,153

(c) Radio time . . . . . . .. . . .. .. 22,836

(d) Radio production . . .. .. . . . . . . .. 497

(e) Television time . . . . . . .. . . .. .. 42,461

(f) Television production . . . . . . . . .. . . 8,343

Total Mass Media . . . . . . . . . . . . 128,658

Public Relations-(a) General . . . . . . . . .. . . . . .. 9, 574

(b) Quarterly publicity journal 'Report' . . .. . . . . . . 4,220

Total Public Relations . . .. . . . . .. .. 13 ,794

Printed Matter-(a) Production . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . 19,634

(b) Printing . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .. 79,635

(c) Freight . . . . .. .. . . . . .. 0 • 8,453

Total Printed Matter . . 0 • .. .. . . . . 107,722

Films-(a) Production .. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . 25,225

(b) Procurement . . . . . . . . . . .. • 0 15,508

Total Films . . . . . . . . . . .. .. 40,733

Miscellaneous . . .. • 0 . . . . .. . . 0 • 9,053

Grand Total • 0 . . 0 • .. 0 0 . . .. 299,960

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4 ; - ·- I

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 10 THURSDAY, 7 OCTOBER 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session in Committee Room L.58 at 2.15 p.m.

2. REFERENCE OF MATIER TO THE COMMITTEE: An extract from the Journals of the Senate No. 118 of 16 September 1971, embodying the resolution relating to the reference of certain matter to the Committee, was read.

3. MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE: Extracts from the Journals of the Senate Nos 119 and 120 of 28 and 29 September 1971 respectively, recording the appointment to the Committee of Senators Durack, Jessop, Lauckc, Maunsell and Townley, were read. Discussion ensued. It was resolved that the continued membership of the Committee of Senators

Bishop, Cant and Wriedt be recorded.

4. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN: On the motion of Senator Jessop, seconded by Senator Wriedt, Senator Laucke was elected Chairman. Senator Laucke thereupon took the Chair.

5. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman made a statement on th e proposed procedure to be followed . Discussion ensued.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 2.38 p.m. till a day and hour to be fixed .

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Laucke (Chairman) , Senators Bishop, Cant, Durack, Jessop , Maunsell, Townley and Wriedt.

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C. L. LAUCKE Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 11

TUESDAY, 12 OCTOBER 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in Committee Room L.l7 at 4.50 p.m.

2. CHAIRMAN'S OPENING STATEMENT: The Chairman made a statement on procedure.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE: Pursuant to the Order of Reference of the Senate of 16 September 1971 the Committee commenced consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expen­ diture for the Service of the year ending 30 June 1972 and the Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1972, relating to the following departmental estimates:

Document* Page Division Department Amount No. s

A 19-20 170-172 Civil Aviation . . . . .. 88,830,000

B 5 810 Civil Aviation . . .. .. 9,576,000

A 95-97 520-530t Trade and Industry . . .. .. 39,641,000

B 16 910 Trade and Industry . . .. .. 115,500

A 96 524 Australian Tourist Commission . . .. 2,650,000

A 67-70 390-402 National Development . . .. 39,680,000

B 12 865 National Development .. .. 22,893,000

A 87-89 480-490 Shipping and Transport .. .. 90,936,000

B 14-15 890-891 Shipping and Transport .. .. 31,264,000

A 22 210 Customs and Excise . . .. .. 34,879,000

B 6 820 Customs and Excise . . .. . . 161 ,600

A 55-62 350-368 Interior . . . . . . .. 118,648,000

B 9-11 855 Interior . . . . .. .. 116,940,300

A 123 752 Civil Defence .. .. .. 812,000

• Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1972'. • Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1972'. t Less $2,650,000-Division 524-Australian Tourist Commission.

The Chairman called on Divisions 170-172, Department of Civil Aviation . Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accom­ panied by Mr G. R. Woodward, Assistant Director-General (Finance) , Department of Civil Aviation; Mr R. A. Bickley, Director of Finance, Depart­ ment of Civil Aviation; Mr H. F. Griffiths, Acting Director of Financial Studies

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and Assistance, Department of Civil Aviation; and Mr R. J . Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury.

Senator Cotton made a short statement and submitted the following paper:

Department of Civil Aviation-Estimates of Expenditure and Receipts 1971-72-Explanatory Notes. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered by the Committee:

DIVISION 170.-ADMINISTRATIVE AND OPERATIONAL Item 01 being considered by the Committee­ (Sitting suspended from 6 to 8 p.m.)

DIVISION 170.-ADMINISTRATIVE AND OPERATIONAL

DIVISION 172.-DEVELOPMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION

ToTAL: Department of Civil Aviation

$

84,501,000

4 ,329,000

88,830,000

The Chairman called on Division 810, Department of Civil Aviation, $9,576,000.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered :

DIVISION 810.-CAPITAL WORKS AND SERVICES

$

9,576,000

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.55 p.m. till a day and hour to be fixed.

5 . ATIENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Laucke (Chairman), Senators Bishop, Cant, Durack, Jessop, Maunsell and Townley. Senators Devitt, Douglas McClelland and Murphy also took part in the

Committee's proceedings.

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 12

THURSDAY, 28 OCTOBER 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in Room L.17 at 2.25 p.m.

2. MINUTES: The Minutes of the meetings of 7 and 12 October 1971 were read and confirmed.

3. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE: The Chairman called on Divisions 520-530, Department of Trade and Industry. Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accom­ panied by Mr T. J. McMahon, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr E. J. Lewin, Director Finance, Management Services Branch, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr A. J. McGoldrick, Principal Project Officer, Policy Secretariat, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr S. J. Moliphant, Assistant Secretary, Export Promotion Division, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr R. J. Thomas, Assistant Secretary, Policy Development Division, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr J. H. Rowland, Assistant Secretary, Exports Services Division, Depart­ ment of Trade and Industry; Mr P. J. Dixon, Assistant Secretary, Exports

Services Division, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr P. Patroni, Director, Secondary Industry Policy Division, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr R. G. Robertson, Chief Executive Officer, Tariff Board, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr E. W . Ryan, Executive Officer, Australian Industrial

Research and Development Grants Board, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr F. D. Quinane, Assistant Secretary, Overseas Markets Division, Depart­ ment of Trade and Industry; Mr I. J. Swan, Director, Trade Commissioner Branch, Department of Trade and Industry; Mr N. C. K. Evers, Deputy General Manager, Australian Tourist Commission, Department of Trade and

Industry; Mr G. L. Holland, Director of Finance and Administration, Australian Tourist Commission, Department of Trade and Industry; and Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered by the Committee:

DIVISION 520.-ADMINISTRA TIVE

DMSION 522.-TARIFF BOARD

DMSION 524.-AusTRALIAN ToURIST CoMMISSION DiviSION 526.-AUSTRALIAN INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT GRANTS BOARD

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$

14,642,000

1,728,000 2,650,000

13,119,000

DMSION 530.-'TRADE COMMISSIONER SERVICE

ToTAL: Department of Trade and Industry

$

7,502,000

39,641,000

The Chainnan called on Division 910, Department of Trade and Industry. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

DIVISION 910.-CAPITAL WORKS AND SERVICES $

115,500

The Chairman called on Divisions 390-402, Department of National Development. Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation; Mr R. H. J. Thompson, Assistant Secretary (Management Services Branch),

Department of National Development; Mr J. B. R. Livermore, Senior Assistant Secretary (Minerals and Forests Policy Branch), Department of National Development; Mr A. I. McCutchan, Senior Assistant Secretary (Water, Power and Geographic Branch), Department of National

Development; Mr M. J. Nicholson, Finance Officer, Department of National Development; Mr L. W. Williams, Assistant Director (Petroleum Explora­ tion), Bureau of Mineral Resources, Department of National Development; Mr W. J. Ricketts, Director, Northern Division, Department of National

Development; Mr A. D. Thomas, Deputy Head, Development Group, Australian Atomic Energy Commission; Dr R. K. Warner, Head, Nuclear Technology Division, Australian Atomic Energy Commission; Mr A . .T. Moulding, Director of Finance, Australian Atomic Energy Commission; Dr R. Smith, Deputy Director, Research Establishment, Australian Atomic

Energy Commission; Mr M. C. Bridges, Deputy Secretary, Joint Coal Board; Mr F. J. Embrey, Chief Accountant, Joint Coal Board; Mr W. Woodward, Chief Finance Officer, Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority; Mr J. Mackintosh, Accountant, Snowy Mountains Engineering Corporation; and Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

DIVISION 390.-AoMINISTRATIVE DIVISION 392.-NORTHERN DIVISION DIVISION 394.-DIVISION OF NATIONAL MAPPING DIVISION 396.-BUREAU OF MINERAL RESOURCES DIVISION 398.-FORESTRY AND TIMBER BUREAU

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.18 hour to be fixed.

$

3,922,400 563,000 4,507,000 16,728,000

1,835 ,800

p.m. till a day and

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members the Committee were present : Senator Laucke ( Chainnan) , Senators Cant, Durack, Jessop, Maunsell, Townley and Wriedt. Senator Rae also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 13

THURSDAY, 4 NOVEMBER 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in the Senate Chamber at 8.25 p.m.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDI­ TURE: The Chairman called on Division 210, Department of Customs and Excise.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accompanied by Mr J. E. Walsh, First Assistant Comptroller-General, Management and Technical Services, Department of Customs and Excise; Mr B. Ortlepp, First Assistant Comptroller-General, Inland and Special

Services Division, Department of Customs and Excise; Mr G. E. Sheen, Assistant Comptroller-General, Special Services Branch, Department of Customs and Excise; Mr V. Montgomery, Assistant Comptroller-General, By-law Branch, Department of Customs and Excise; Mr D. K. Campbell, Assistant Comptroller-General, Revenue Branch, Department of Customs and Excise; Mr D. G. Marshall, Assistant Comptroller-General, Tariff and Appraisements Branch, Department of Customs and Excise; Mr H. Beard, Director, Port Operations, Department of Customs and Excise; Mr G. Sheldon, Director, Literature Review and Policy, Department of Customs

and Excise; Mr E. J. Fernon, Chief Inspector, Excise, Department of Cus­ toms and Excise; and Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

DIVISION 210.-ADMINISTRATIVE

TOTAL: Department of Customs and Excise

$

34,879,000

34,879,000

The Chairman called on Division 820, Department of Customs and Excise. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

DIVISION 820.--CAPITAL WORKS AND SERVICES

$

161,600

The Chairman called on Divisions 350-368, Department of the Interior.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accompanied by Mr L. L. Gillespie, Acting First Assistant Secretary, N.T.

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Economic Affairs, Department of the Interior; Mr D. M. Lalor, Acting Assistant Secretary (Finance and Supply), Department of the Interior; Mr J. H. Marshall, Assistant Secretary (A.C.T. Facilities), Department of the Interior; Mr G. N. Steele, Assistant Secretary (N.T. Lands and Urban

Development), Department of the Interior; Mr J. S. Brigg, Assistant Secre­ tary (N.J:. Government and Community Affairs), Department of the Interior; Mr J. B. Machin, Acting Assistant Secretary (N.T. Welfare and Social Services), Department of the Interior; Mr F. L. Ahrens, Assistant Secretary Mining Industries), Department of the Interior; Mr J. A.

Northage, A

Finance), Depaivnent of the Interior; Mr T. F. Hopkinson, Director (Pro­ gramming and Property Division, Department of the Interior;

Mr R. W. McHenry, Director (Organisation Classification and Methods) , Establishments Branch, Department of the Interior; Mr P. O'Clery, Director (Land Co-ordinatiop Section) , A.C.T. Lands Division, Department of the Interior; Mr C. J. Rowe, Executive Officer, Commonwealth Electoral Office, Department of the Interior; Mr C. Hamilton, Finance Officer, Finance and

Supply Branch, Department of the Interior; Mr F. L. Ley, Chief Electoral Officer, Department of the Interior; Mr G. C. Shannon, Assistant Secretary, Programmes, National Capital Development Commission; Mr K. J . Curtis, Senior Executive Officer, Programmes, National Capital Development Com­

mission; Mr K. A. Myers, Business Manager, National Capital Development Commission; and Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were examined:

DIVISION 350.-ADMINISTRATIVE

DIVISION 351.-MINISTERS AND MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND OTHERS

DIVISION 354.-RENT

DIVISION 357 .-ELECTORAL BRANCH-being considered by the Committee.

$

17,087,400

2,595,000 16,524,000

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.25 p.m. till a day and hour to be fixed.

4. AITENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Laucke (Chairman) , Senators Bishop, Cant, Durack, Jessop, Maunsell, Townley and Wriedt. Senators Mulvihill and McClaren also took part in the Committee's

proceedings.

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 14

TUESDAY, 23 NOVEMBER 1971

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session in the Senate Chamber ar 8.03 p.m.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDI­ TURE: The Chairman called on Division 400-402, Department of National Development.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accom­ panied by Mr R. H. J. Thompson, Assistant Secretary (Management Ser­ vices Branch), Department of National Development; Mr R. J. Richards, Act­ ing Assistant Secretary (Water, Power and Geographic Branch), Department of National Development; Mr M. J. Nicholson, Finance Officer, Department of National Development; Mr W. B. Lynch, Secretary, Australian Atomic Energy Commission; Mr W. Wright, Head, Nuclear Fuel Section, Australian Atomic Energy Commission; Dr A. R. W. Wilson, Acting Chief, Technical Policy and International Relations Division, Australian Atomic Energy Com­ mission; Dr R. Smith, Acting Deputy Director, Research Establishment, Aus­ tralian Atomic Energy Commission; Mr A. J. Moulding, Director of Finance, Australian Atomic Energy Commission; Mr A. W. Murray, Secretary, Joint Coal Board; Mr F. J. Embrey, Chief Accountant, Joint Coal Board; Mr W. Woodward, Chief Finance Officer, Snowy Mountains Hydro-electric Authority; Mr R. W. Bradley, Manager Administration, Snowy Mountains Engineering Corporation; and Mr R. J. Gray, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered: $

DIVISION 400.-JOINT COAL BOARD 523,800

DIVISION 402.-AUSTRALIAN ATOMIC ENERGY COMMISSION 11 ,600,000

ToTAL: Department of National Development 39,680,000

The Chairman caiJed on Division 865, Department of National Development.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

DIVISION 865.-CAPITAL WORKS AND SERVICES $

'22,893 ,000

The Chairman called on Divisions 480-490, Department of Shipping and Transport.

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Appearing: Senator the Hon. R. C. Cotton, Minister for Civil Aviation, accom­ panied by Mr R. W. Cole, Director, Bureau of Transport Economics, Depart­ ment of Shipping and Transport; Mr K. J. Cosgrove, First Assistant Secretary, Land Transport Policy Division, Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr

T. M. Williams, First Assistant Secretary, Marine Standards Division, Depart­ ment of Shipping and Transport; Mr E. S. Clarke, First Assistant Secretary, Shipbuilding Division, Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr C. W. M. Freeland, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Sea Transport Policy Division, Department of Shipping and Transport; MrS. P. Smith, Acting First Assistant

Secretary, Coastal Services Division, Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr K. A Murton, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch, Depart­ ment of Shipping and Transport; Mr E. H. Ballard, Controller (Finance) , Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr J. L. Morgan, Assistant General

Manager, Australian National Line, Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr R. F . McCormack, Secretary, Commonwealth Bureau of Roads, Depart­ ment of Shipping and Transport; Mr K. Matthews, Chief Clerk, Common­ wealth Railways, Department of Shipping and Transport; Mr S. Bolam, Works Officer, Commonwealth Railways, Department of Shipping and Trans­

port; and Mr R. J. Gray, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered :

DIVISION 480 .-ADMINISTRATIVE

DIVISION 482.-COMMONWEAL TH BUREAU OF ROADS DIVISION 486.-SHIPBUILDING DIVISION

DIVISION 490.-COMMONWEALTH RAILWAYS

TOTAL: Department of Shipping and Transport

$

10,668,000 786,000 54,775,000 24,707,000

90,936,000

The Chairman called on Divisions 890-891 , Department of Shipping and Transport. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

DIVISION 890.-CAPITAL WORKS AND SERVICES ..

DIVISION 891.-PAYMENTS TO OR FOR THE STATES

ToTAL: Department of Shipping and Transport

$

26,150,000 5,114,000

31,264,000

The Chairman called on th e resumed consideration of Divisions 350-368, Department of the Interior.

Appearing: Mr L. L. Gillespie, Acting First As sistant Secretary (N.T. Eco­ nomic Affairs), Department of -th e Intetior; Mr D. M. Lalor, Acting Assis­ tant Secretary (Finance and Supply) , Department of the Interior; Mr G. N. Steele, Assistant Secretary (N.T. Lands and Urban Development), Department

of the Interior; Mr J. S. Brigg, Assistant Secretary (N.T. Government and Community Affairs) , Department of the Interior; Mr J. B. Machin, Acting

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Assistant Secretary (N.T. Welfare and Social Services), Department of the Interior; Mr J. A. Northage, Acting Assistant Secretary (N.T. Primary Industries), Department of the Interior; Mr E. H. McGrath, Commissioner for Housing, Department of the Interior; Mr W. Brooks, Assistant Director,

News and Information Bureau, Department of the Interior; Mr M. Brassington, Executive Officer, News and Information Bureau, Department of the Interior; Mr B. H. Coughlin, Director (N.T. Finance), Department of the Interior; Mr T. F. Hopkinson, Director (Programming and Projects), Property Division, Department of ·the Interior; Mr R. W. McHenry, Director

(Organisation Classification and Methods), Establishments Branch, Depart­ ment of the Interior; Mr J. Davies, Acting Director (Land Co-ordination Section), A.C.T. Lands Division, Department of the Interior; Mr C. J. Rowe, Executive Officer, Commonwealth Electoral Office, Department of the

Interior; Mr R. C. Burroughs, Acting Director (Finance and Supply Branch), Department of the Interior; Mr G. C. Shannon, Assistant Secretary, Pro­ grammes, National Capital Development Commission; Mr K. J. Curtis, Senior Executive Officer, Programmes, National Capital Development Commission; Mr K. A. Myers, Business Manager, National Capital Development Com­ mission; and Mr R. J. Gray, Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

DIVISION 357 .-ELECTORAL BRANCH

s

3,193,000

DIVISION 360.-NEWS AND INFORMATION BUREAU being con-sidered by the Committee.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.42 p.m. till a day and hour to be fixed.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Laucke (Chairman), Senators Bishop, Cant, Durack, Jessop, Maunsell, Townley, and Wriedt. Senators McClaren, Mulvihill and Wilkinson also took part in the Com­ mittee's proceedings.

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C.L.LAUCKE Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 15

THURSDAY, 25 NOVEMBER 1971

1. MEETING: The Commitee met in public session in Room L.17 at 2.18 p.m.

2. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDI­ TURE: The Chairman called on the resumed consideration of Divisions 350-368, Department of the Interior.

Appearing: Mr L. L. Gillespie, Acting First Assistant Secretary (N.T. Eco­ nomic Affairs), Department of the Interior; Mr D. M. Lalor, Acting Assistant Secretary (Finance and Supply), Department of the Interior; Mr J. H. Marshall, Assistant Secretary (A.C.T. Facilities), Department of the Interior; Mr G. N. Steele, Assistant Secretary (N.T. Lands and Urban Development) , Department of the Interior; Mr J . S. Brigg, Assistant Secretary (N.T. Gov­

ernment and Community Affairs), Department of the Interior; Mr J. B. Machin, Acting Assistant Secretary (N. T. Welfare and Social Services) , Department of the Interior; Mr F. L. Ahrens, Assistant Secretary (N.T. Mining Industries), Department of the Interior; Mr J. A. Northage, Acting Assistant Secretary (N.T. Primary Industries), Department of the Interior; Mr E. H. McGrath, Commissioner for Housing, Department of the Interior; Mr W. Brooks, Assistant Director, News and Information Bureau, Depart­ ment of the Interior; Mr B. H. Coughlin, Director (N.T. Finance), Depart­

ment of the Interior; Mr T. F. Hopkinson, Director (Programming and Pro­ jects), Property Division, Department of the Interior; Mr R. W. McHenry, Director (Organisation Classification and Methods), Establishments Branch, Department of the Interior; Mr J. Davies, Acting Director (Land Co-ordina­

tion Section), A.C.T. Lands Division, Department of the Interior; Mr G. Nichol, Executive Officer, Bureau of Meteorology, Department of the Interior; Mr R. Burroughs, Acting Director, Finance and Supply Branch, Department of the Interior; Mr N. Braidwood, Director, Information, Public

Relations Section, Department of the Interior; Mr L. Ryan, Executive Officer, A.C.T. Lands Division, Department of the Interior; Mr G. Mansfield, Assis­ tant Secretary, N.T. Economic Services Branch, Department of the Interior; Mr G. C. Shannon, Assistant Secretary, Programmes, National Capital

Development Commission; Mr K. J. Curtis, Senior Executive Officer, Pro­ grammes, National Capital Development Commission; Mr K. A. Myers, Busi­ ness Manager, National Capital Development Commission; and Mr R. J. Gray, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Treasury.

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The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

DiviSION 360.-NEWS AND INFORMATION BUREAU DIVISION 358.--COMMONWEAL TH BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY DIVISION 362.-AUSTRALIAN CAPITAL TERRITORY SERVICES DMSION 363.-AUSTRALIAN CAPITAL TERRTORY PoLICE ..

DIVISION 364.-NATIONAL CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT COM-MISSION

$

4,370,800 18,176,500 16,000,300 3,261,300

2,695,000

DMSION 366.-NoRTHERN TERRITORY LEGISLATIVE CouN­ CIL 207,200

34,537,500 DIVISION 368.-NORTHERN TERRITORY SERVICES

TOTAL: Department of the Interior 118,648,000

The Chairman called on Division 855, Department of the Interior. The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

DiviSION 855.--CAPITAL WORKS AND SERVICES

The Chairman called on Division 752, Civil Defence.

$

116,940,300

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered:

DIVISION 752.--CIVIL DEFENCE

s

812,000

(Sitting suspended at 4.40 p.m. and resumed in Senate Committee Room L.58 at 4.54 p.m. in private session.)

3. REPORT TO mE SENATE: The Committee deliberated on the draft of its Report to the Senate which had been circulated. Paragraphs 1 to 3 agreed to without amendment.

Paragraph 4: Moved by Senator Durack, seconded by Senator Cant:

That the following words be added to paragraph 4: 'The Committee particularly records its appreciation of the manner of presentation of the explanations of the estimates for the Department of the Interior and the detailed notes incorporated therewi·th.'

Paragraph 4, as amended, agreed to. 4. MINUTES: The Minutes of the meetings of 28 October, 4 and 23 November 1971, as circulated, were confirmed. 5. ACKNOWLEDGMENT: Moved by Senator Jessop, seconded by Senator

Cant: 'That the Committee record its appreciation of the manner in which th e Chairman bad conducted the proceedings of the Committee.'

Question-put and passed.

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6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.04 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Laucke (Chairman), Senators Bishop, Cant, Durack, Jessop, Maunsell, Townley and Wriedt. Senator McClaren also took part in the Committee's proceedings.

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C. L. LAUCKE Chairman

Document*

A A B A

A A B A A A B

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MEMBERS

Senator J. J. Webster (Chairman) Senator D. N. Cameron Senator J. L. Carrick Senator D. M. Devitt Senator J. T. Kane Senator A. E. D. Lillico Senator L. D. Wilkinson Senator I. A. C. Wood

DEPARTMENTAL ESTIMATES EXAMINED

(Minister: Senator the Honourable T. C. Drake-Brockrnan, D.F.C.)

Page Division Department

No.

117-118 690-717 Air .. . . .. .. ..

74-75 410-414 Primary Industry . . .. . .

13 874-875 Primary Industry . . .. ..

124 760 National Service-Rural Occupations-

Re-establishment Loans and Vocational Training . . .. . . . .

114-116 660-688 Army . . . . . . ..

84-85 460-466 Repatriation . . .. . . ..

14 885 Repatriation .. .. .. ..

111-113 630-657 Navy . . . . .. ..

93 510 Supply-Antarctic Division . . ..

119-122 720-749 Supply . . .. .. . .

16 905 Supply .. . . .. ..

Amount

$

287,420,000 78,646,000 17,882,000

434,000

465,081,000 374,545,000 395,000 261 ,081,000

2,667,000 109,638,000 313,200

• Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending 30 June 1972'. • Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year ending 30 June 1972'.

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ESTIMATES COMMIT1EE E

REPORT TO THE SENA1E

Senate Estimates Committee E has the honour to present its report to the Senate:

On 16 September 1971 the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year Ending 30 June 1972, and the Particulars of Proposed Provisions for Certain Expenditure in respect of the Year Ending 30 June 1972, relating to the following Departments:

Department of Air Department of Primary Industry Department of the Army Repatriation Department

Department of the Navy Department of Supply

The Committee has considered these estimates of proposed expenditure and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Air and officers of the Departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of proceedings together with the copy of the Hansard report of the evidence is tabled for the information of the

Senate in connection with the Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1971-72 and the Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1971-72.

The Committee again notes with satisfaction that in response to its recom­ mendations last year, the provision by the Minister of detailed Departmental explanatory notes on the Estimates well in advance of the meetings, gave Committee members the opportunity to inform themselves, and frame their questions accordingly. liowever, the Committee does consider that the value of

the explanatory notes would be enhanced by the addition of a chart outlining the organisational structure in broad terms. The provision of such a chart would enable Senators to more readily es·tablish the areas within a Department under which the various heads of expenditure fall.

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J. J. WEBSTER Chairman

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.7

THURSDAY, 7 OCTOBER 1971

Minutes of meeting held in Senate Committee Room L.17 on Thursday, 7 October 1971, commencing at 2.15 p.m. Present: Senator J. J. Webster, Chairman Senator D. N. Cameron

Senator J. L. Carrick Senator D. M. Devitt Senator J. T. Kane Senator A. E. D. Lillico Senator L. D. Wilkinson Also present during the proceedings were Senators Cant, Laucke, McLaren, Murphy and Wriedt.

1. The Chairman made an introductory statement.

Consideration of Particulars of Proposed Expenditure Pursuant to the Resolution of the Senate dated 16 September 1971, the Committee commenced consideration of the estimates for the year 1971-72 relating to the following departments:

Document* Page Division

Department Amount No. s

A 117- 118 690-717 Air . . . . . . .. .. 287,420,000

A 74--75 410--414 Primary Industry . . .. . . 78,646,000

B 13 874--875 Primary Industry . . . . . . 17,882,000

A 124 760 National Service- Rural Occupations-

Re-establishment Loans and Vocational Training . . . . .. . . 434,000

A 114-116 660-688 Army .. . . .. .. 465 ,081,000

A 84--85 460--466 Repatriation .. . . .. . . 374,545,000

B 14 885 Repatriation . . . . . . .. 395,000

A 111-11 3 630-657 Navy . . . . . . .. 261 ,081 ,000

A 93 510 Supply-Antarctic Division .. . . 2,667,000

A 119-1 22 720-749 Supply . . . . . . . . 109,638,000

B 16 905 Supply .. . . . . .. 313,200

• Document A-'Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year endmg 30 June· 1972'. • Document B-'Particulars of Proposed Provision for Certain Expenditure in respect of the year· ending 30 June 1972' .

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2. DEPARTMENT OF AIR:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, Minister for Air, accom­ panied by Mr F. C. Sutherland, First Assistant Secretary (Finance and Logistics), Mr H. Pearlman, Chief Executive Officer (Budget Costing) and Mr I. D. McLeod, Director of Budgets, Department of Air, and the Depart­

ment of the Treasury representative, Mr A. Finch.

The Chairman called on Divisions 690-717, Department of Air,

$287,420,000.

Senator Drake-Brockman submitted Departmental Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered :

Division

690 Royal Australian Air Force 692 Civil Personnel 694 Administrative Expenses and General Services 696 Forces Overseas

698 Aircraft and Other Equipment-Repair and

Overhaul • • i

700 Equipment and Stores 702 Aircraft and Associated Initial Equipment-Pur-chase, Manufacture and Lease

706 Housing for Servicemen-Advances to States 707 Acquisition of Sites and Buildings 709 National Capital Development Commission 710 Rent

716 Buildings, Works, Fittings, and Furniture 717 Repairs and Maintenance

$

115,300,000 18,576,000 22,074,000 12,063,000

12,120,000 54,814,000

20,996,000

2,1 64,000 515,000 203,000 4,245 ,000 16,000,000

8,350,000

Consideration of the Estimates of the Department of Air were completed. Departmental representatives undertook to advise further on Division 709 and to provide to Senator Wriedt details in respect to Division 702. Mr Finch undertook to advise further on Division 690, Item 03, and Division 694, Item 13.

3. DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRY:

Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, representing the Minister for Primary Industry, accompanied by Mr J. G. Rainbow, Assistant Secretary, Management Services, and Mr C. M . Beer; Director, Finance and General Services, Department of Primary Industry. A number of other Departmental officials attended to give information as required. Mr A. Finch represented th e Department of the Treasury.

The Chairman called on Divisions 410-414, 874-875 and 760, Department of Primary Industry.

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Senator Drake-Brockman submitted Departmental Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered : $

·Division 410-Administrative 64,276,000

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.50 p.m. until Tuesday, 12 October 1971, at 4.30 p.m.

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No.8 TUESDAY, 2 NOVEMBER 1971

Minutes of meeting held in Senate Committee Room L.17 on Tuesday, 2 November 1971, commencing at 4.40 p.m.

Present: Senator J. J. Webster, Chairman Senator D. N. Cameron Senator J. L. Carrick Senator A. E. D. Lillico

Senator L. D. Wilkinson

An apology was received from Senator J. T. Kane. Also present during the proceedings were Senators Jessop, Laucke, McLaren, Murphy, and Wriedt.

1. DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, representing the Minister for Primary Industry, accompanied by Mr J. G. Rainbow, Assistant Secretary, Management Services, and Mr C. M. Beer, Director, Finance and General Services, Department of Primary Industry. Other Departmental Officials were also present. Mr R. J. Gray represented the Department of the Treasury.

The following particulars of proposed expenditure were considered :

Division 412 Administration of the Commerce (Trade Descrip-tions) Act 414 Bureau of Agricultural Economics 874 Capital Works and Services ..

875 Payments to or for the States ..

$

12,319,000 2,051 ,000 10,000,000 7,882,000

Senator Drake-Brockman presented replies to questions asked by Senator Webster on 7 October 19'71.

2. REPATRIATION DEPARTMENT: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman, representing the Minister for Repatriation, accompanied by Mr R. G. Kelly, Secretary, Repatriation Commission, Dr J. H . Hurt, Deputy Chief Director (Medical Services),. Mr G. R. Cadd, Acting First Assistant Commissioner (Benefits and Legislation), Mr C. A. Nettle, First

Assistant Commissioner (Treatment Services) and Mr R. J. P. Daffy, First Assistant Commissioner (Special Projects) and the Department of the Treasury Representative, Mr R. J . Gray. The Chairman called on Divisions 460-466 and 885, Repatriation Department.

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Senator Drak:e-Brockman made a statement to the Committee and submitted Departmental Explanatory Notes. The following particulars were considered : Division

460 Administrative 462 Repatriation Hospitals and other institutions 464 War and Service Pensions Allowances 466 Other Repatriation Benefits .. 885 Capital Works and Services ..

$

19,135,000 39,495 ,000 262,805,000 53,110,000

395 ,000

3. DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drak:e-Brockman, representing the Minister for the Navy, accompanied by Mr W. Boreham, Assis·tant Secretary (Finance), Mr P. McNamara, Assistant Secretary (Assistant Controller of Supply) and Mr L. J. Murphy, Director

(Financial Programming and Estimates) , Department of the Navy and the Department of the Treasury Representative Mr R. J. Gray. The Chairman called on Divisions 630-657, Department of the Navy. Senator Drak:e-Brockman submrtted Explanatory Notes. The following particulars were considered :

Division 630 Australian Naval Forces 632 Civil Personnel

$

76,609,000 49,480,000

634 Administrative Expenses and General Services 16,850,200 636 General Stores-H.M.A. Ships, Fleet Auxiliaries and Naval Establishments 49,765,000

638 Ships, Aircraft, Machinery and Plant-Repair and other charges 17,248,000

And it being 10.15 p.m.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed .

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No.9

TUESDAY, 4 NOVEMBER 1971

Minutes of meeting held in Senate Committee Room L.17 on Tuesday, 4 November 1971, commencing at 8.20 p.m.

Present: Senator J. J. Webster, Chairman Senator D. N. Cameron Senator J. L. Carrick Senator D. M. Devitt

Senator J. T. Kane Senator A. E. D. Lillico Senator L. D. Wilkinson

Also present during the proceedings were Senators Wriedt and Young.

1. DEPARTMENT OF 1HE NAVY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake-Brockman and Departmental advisers. Mr A. Finch represented the Department of the Treasury. Senator Drake-Brockman presented replies to questions asked on 2 November

1971.

Division $

640 Naval Construction . . 17,579,000

642 Aircraft and Associated Initial Equipment-Purchase and Manufacture 5,525,000

644 Machinery and Plant for Naval Dockyards and Estab-lishments 2,294,000

646 Defence Research and Development 235 ,000

649 Recoverable Expenditure for other Governments 650 Housing for Servicemen-Advances to States 652 Acquisition of Sites and Buildings 654 Rent

656 Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture 657 Repairs and Maintenance

1,565,000 3,749,000 1,500 2,300,000 13,500,000

4,380,000

2. DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY : Appearing: Senator the Hon. T . C. Drake­ Brockman, representing the Minister for the Army, accompanied by Mr K. W. Major, First Assistant Secretary, Establishments and General, and Mr J. W. Nunn, First Assistant Secretary, Finance and Logistics, Department

of the Army.

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The Chairman called on Divisions 660-688 Department of the Army. Senator Drake-Brockman presented Departmental Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars were considered :

Division 660 Australian Military Forces .. 662 Civil Personnel 664 Administrative Expenses and General Services

666 Forces Overseas 668 Arms and Equipment-Repairs and Maintenance .. 670 Arms, Armament and Equipment 673 Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture 675 Repairs and Maintenance 683 Housing for Servicemen-Advances to States 684 Acquisition of Sites and Buildings 685 Rent

$

208,606,000 50,314,000 43,202,000 20,263,000

7,595,000 97,420,000 1,340,000 1,000,000

2,165,000 1,631,000 4,745,000

687 Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture 14,800,000

688 Repairs and Maintenance 12,000,000

Consideration of the Estimates of the Department of the Army completed, subject to an undertaking by Senator Drake-Brockman to provide additional information.

And it being 10.30 p.m.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned until a day and hour to be fixed.

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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 10 THURSDAY, 25 NOVEMBER 197 1

Minutes of meeting held in Senate Committee Room L.1 7 on Thursday, 25 November 1971, commencing at 4.55 p.m.

Present: Senator J. J. Webster, Chairman Senator D. N. Cameron Senator J. L. Carrick Senator J. T. Kane

Senator A. E. D. Lillico

An apology was received from Senator L. D. Wilkinson.

1. DEPARTMENT OF SUPPLY: Appearing: Senator the Hon. T. C. Drake­ Brockman, representing the Minister for Supply, accompanied by Mr D. J. O'Connor, Deputy Secretary, MT K. Johnston, Assistant Controller (Aircraft) , Mr H . J. Ryan, First Assistant Secretary, (Finance and Management Services),

Mr K. McKnown, Assistant Secretary (Finance) and Mr J. Mason, Director (Programmes and Eestimates), Department of Supply and Mr F. V. Colvin of the Department of the Treasury. The Chairman called on Divisions 720-749, 510 and 905 Department of Supply.

Senator Drake-Brockman made a statement and presented Departmental Explanatory Notes.

The following particulars were considered :

Division 720 Administrative 722 Government Factories-Maintenance of Production

s

18,611,000

Capacity . ·' 6,170,000

724 Storage Services 2,904,000

729 Defence Research and Development Establish-ments 730 Working Capital Advances 732 Reserve Stocks 734 Vehicles and Equipment

735 Furniture Removals and Storage 737 Machinery and Plant 738 Production Development

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44,832,000 593,000 585,000 3,003,000 5,831 ,000

8,458,000 6,389,000

Division 739 Production Assistance for Light Helicopters 740 Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture 7 41 Repairs and Maintenance 745 Acquisition of Sites and Buildings 746 Rent

748 Buildings, Works, Fittings and Furniture 749 Repairs and Maintenance 510 Antarctic Division 905 Capital Works and Services

$

1, 653,000

150,000 580,000 148,000 731,000 5,500,000 3,500,000 2,667,000

313 ,200

Consideration of the Estimates of the Department of Supply completed.

2. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.10 p.m.

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