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The Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEES A, B, C, D , E and F

Reports to the Senate on Departmental Estimates for year 1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for year 1982-83

Presented and Ordered to be printed 6 October 1983

Parliamentary Paper No. 114/1983

Parliamentary Paper No. 114/1983

The Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia

SENATE ESTIMATES COMMITTEES A, B, C, D, E and F

Reports to the Senate on Departmental Estimates for year 1983-84 and Expenditure under the

Advance to the Minister for Finance for year 1982-83

The Com m onwealth G overnm ent Printer C anberra 1984

© Commonwealth of Australia 1984

ISSN 0811-0883

Printed by Authority by the Commonwealth Government Printer

Contents

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1. Resolution of the Senate .

2. Membership of Committees

3. Estimates Committee A Report .........................

Minutes of Proceedings 1983 6 September 1983 . . 12 September 1983 . 13 September 1983 . 4 October 1983 . . .

4. Estimates Committee B Report .........................

Minutes of Proceedings 1983 8 September 1983 . . 13 September 1983 . 20 September 1983 . 22 September 1983 .

5. Estimates Committee C Report .........................

Minutes of Proceedings 1983 12 September 1983 . 5 October 1983 . . .

6. Estimates Committee D Report .........................

Minutes of Proceedings 1983 15 September 1983 . 16 September 1983 .

7. Estimates Committee E Report .........................

Minutes of Proceedings 1983 8 September 1983 . . 15 September 1983 . 16 September 1983 . 5 October 1983 . . .

8. Estimates Committee F Report .........................

Minutes of Proceedings 1983 15 September 1983 . 5 October 1983 . . .

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RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE PASSED ON 25 AUGUST 1983

ESTIM ATES CO M M ITTEES—REFERENCE OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND DEPARTMENTAL EXPENDI­ TURE UNDER ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1982-83: The Manager of Government Business (Senator Grimes), by leave, moved—

(1) That the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year end­ ing on 30 June 1984 in relation to the Parliamentary Departments, the Particu­ lars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June 1984 and the Pajticulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in Respect of the Year ending on 30 June 1984 be referred herewith to Estimates Committees for examination and report. (2) That expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Year

ending 30 June 1983 be referred to Estimates Committees for examination and report prior to its consideration in Committee of the Whole. (3) That the Committees consider Proposed Expenditure and Departmental Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance in the Estimates

Committee groupings agreed to by Resolution of the Senate of 22 April 1983. Estimates Committee A Parliament Industry and Commerce

Prime Minister and Cabinet Employment and Industrial Relations Communications Estimates Committee B

Social Security Immigration and Ethnic Affairs Housing and Construction Health Estimates Committee C

Resources and Energy Trade Treasury Primary Industry Finance Estimates Committee D

Education and Youth Affairs Sport, Recreation and Tourism Science and Technology Home Affairs and Environment Aboriginal Affairs Estimates Committee E

Attorney-General Special Minister of State Foreign Affairs Defence Defence Support Estimates Committee F

Veterans’ Affairs Transport Aviation

Administrative Services Territories and Local Government (4) That the Committees report to the Senate on or before Thursday, 6 October 1983. Question—put and passed.

MEMBERSHIP OF COMMITTEES

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A Senator Robert Ray (Chairman) Senator Coleman Senator Cook Senator Hill Senator Lewis Senator Peter Rae

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B Senator Giles (Chairman) Senator Bjelke-Petersen Senator Crowley Senator Elstob Senator Messner Senator Walters

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C Senator Primmer (Chairman) Senator Boswell Senator Sir John Carrick Senator Childs Senator Dame Margaret Guilfoyle Senator Maguire

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D Senator Colston (Chairman) Senator Baume Senator Coates Senator Martin Senator Teague Senator Zakharov

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E Senator Sibraa (Chairman) Senator Durack Senator MacGibbon1 Senator Reynolds Senator Scott Senator Tate Senator Watson2

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F Senator Georges {Chairman) Senator Collard Senator Hearn3 Senator Reid Senator Richardson Senator Townley Senator Robertson4

(1) Discharged 6 September 1983 (2) Appointed 6 September 1983 (3) Discharged 14 September 1983 (4) Appointed MSeptember 1983

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee A has the honour to report to the Senate.

1. On 25 August 1983, the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Year 1983-84, and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Year ending 30 June 1983, relating to the Parliament, the Department of Industry and Commerce, Department of Prime Minister and Cabi­

net, the Department of Employment and Industrial Relations, and the Department of Communications.

2. The Committee has considered the Estimates of the Departments, together with the Departmental Explanatory Notes, and has received evidence in relation to them from the President of the Senate (Senator the Honourable Douglas McClelland), the Leader of the Government and Minister for Industry and Commerce (Senator the

Honourable John Button), the Deputy Leader of the Government and Minister for Social Security (Senator the Honourable Don Grimes) and officers of the Departments concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropriation (Parliamentary Departments) Bill 1983-84, Appropriation Bill (No. 1)

1983-84 and Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1983-84. Answers to questions which were de­ ferred and subsequently given in writing since the Committee’s last hearings will be tabled in the Senate and incorporated in the final Hansard report of the Committee’s hearings.

3. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following matters aris­ ing from its consideration of the estimates.

PARLIAMENTARY DEPARTMENTS

In considering the Estimates of the Department of the Senate, the Committee noted a potential difficulty with the form of the Explanatory Notes of all Parliamentary De­ partments. The proposed expenditure for each Parliamentary Department is included in the form of a one-line appropriation in the Appropriation (Parliamentary Depart­

ments) Bill. However, as noted by Senate Estimates Committee A in its Report to the Senate of September 1982, the full details of proposed expenditures are included in the publicly available Explanatory Notes issued by each of the Parliamentary Depart­ ments, in accordance with the standards which the Senate has always required of other

bodies funded by one-line appropriations. It is apparent that, in order to allow valid comparisons to be drawn across individual sub-items, the Explanatory Notes must clearly show the estimate of proposed expendi­ ture for the previous year, i.e. the estimate which was examined by the Committee

twelve months previously. The Committee understands that the balance of actual expenditures within sub-items may be varied as a necessity, with the approval of the Presiding Officer. The Committee expects financial statements in the Explanatory Notes to be an

accurate guide in all respects, but especially in such important matters as annual vari­ ations in items. To enable effective comparisons, the Explanatory Notes should con­ tain, in relation to each item, information on the previous year’s estimate and actual expenditure, as well as the estimate of proposed expenditure for the new financial year.

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During the hearings, the President of the Senate agreed to examine the form of the Senate’s Explanatory Notes with the Senate Standing Committee on Appropriations and Staffing, of which he is Chairman. The Committee appreciates the President’s undertaking, and draws this matter of the format of one-line appropriations to the attention of the Senate in that it may be of relevance to the estimates of other Parlia­ mentary Departments.

Department of the Senate

The Committee noted that the first Annual Report of the Department had recently been tabled. The Annual Report was a valuable adjunct to the Committee in its con­ sideration of the Department’s estimates. The Committee is grateful to the President for making available the Annual Report at an early stage in the Budget period of sittings.

The Committee also noted with appreciation the work of the Standing Committee on Appropriations and Staffing. This Estimates Committee noted in its Report to the Senate of September 1982 the beneficial influence of the original Senate Select Com­ mittee on Appropriations and Staffing on improving the procedure for Parliamentary appropriations. The Committee maintains its interest in seeing the implementation of other recommendations of the Select Committee, particularly in relation to the transfer of functions from Executive Departments to the Department of the Senate. The Com­ mittee welcomes the commitment given by the President during the Estimates hearings that he will, as soon as possible, report to the Senate on the progress that is being acheived in the transfer of further functions to the Department of the Senate.

Joint House Department

The Committee was advised that a general information booklet on the Parliament had recently been withdrawn from circulation and was now being revised and updated be­ fore being reprinted.The President agreed to expedite the reprinting of the booklet. The President also agreed to examine the adequacy of the security arrangements for Senate committee rooms—in particular whether the rooms are secure from possible electronic surveillance. The Committtee had raised the possibility of the Department making spot checks which might at least give some indication of the state of room secur­ ity. The President undertook to discuss the matter with Joint House authorities and the Usher of the Black Rod.

GENERAL

4. The Committee expresses its appreciation of the assistance given by the Leader of the Government and Minister for Industry and Commerce, the Deputy Leader of the Government and the Minister for Social Security, and the officers of the various de­ partments and authorities who appeared before the Committee.

Robert Ray Chairman October 1983

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Estimates Committee A

Minutes of Proceedings

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THE SENATE

THURSDAY, 6 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 7.15 p.m. in Senate Com­ mittee Room 7.

2. MANNER OF EXAMINING THE ESTIMATES: It was agreed to proceed with the examination of departmental estimates in the following order: Parliamentary Departments, Department of Industry and Commerce, Department of Employment and Industrial Relations, Department of Communications and the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. To assist with the appearance by interstate officers it was agreed to examine Communications on Tuesday, 13 September and, if necessary, bring

Prime Minister and Cabinet forward. It was further agreed to proceed with the examin­ ation of the estimates by division, by sub-division and as necessary by item.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 7.25 p.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Cook, Peter Rae and Robert Ray. Apologies received from Senators Coleman, Hill and Lewis.

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 1

ROBERT RAY Chairman

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THE SENATE

MONDAY, 12 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10.32 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Robert Ray) took the Chair.

2. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman reported the Resolutions of the Senate of 22 April and 25 August 1983, and made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the estimates.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84— PARLIAMENTARY DEPARTMENTS

In Attendance: Senator the Honourable Douglas McClelland, President of the Senate, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f the Senate Mr A. R. Gumming Thom, Clerk of the Senate Mr P. N. Murdoch, Clerk-Assistant (Management Office) Mr H. Evans, Clerk-Assistant (Committee Office) Mr M. Rosser, Senior Parliamentary Officer, IPU Mr G. Nankervis, Senior Parliamentary Officer (Administration) Mr J. Sloan, Parliamentary Officer, Finance (Management) Mr J. Vander Wyk, Acting Usher of the Black Rod Mr W. Adam, Parliamentary Officer, Senators’ Services Department o f the Parliamentary Reporting S taff

Mr J. W. Roberts, Principal Parliamentary Reporter Mr J. M. Campbell, Assistant Principal Parliamentary Reporter Mr M. J. Farrelley, Administrative Officer Department o f the Parliamentary Library

Mr H. de S. C. MacLean, Parliamentary Librarian Mr M. J. Brudenall, Deputy Parliamentary Librarian Dr G. Webb, Head, Legislative Research Service Mr M. Bray, Acting Director, Management Services Branch Mr E. Dobson, Director, Systems and Co-ordination Unit Mr H. Knight, Finance Officer Joint House Department

Mr J. M. Jorgensen, Secretary Mr E. W. Howell, Security Controller Mr F. W. Bradley, Acting Director House Management Mr L. N. Kelly, Acting Director Management Services Mr L. S. Carter, Acting Finance Manager Mr J. B. Holdforth, Manager, Commonwealth Parliament Refreshment Rooms Mr C. R. Crapp, Principal Technical Officer

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 2

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Department o f Finance Mr D. J. Evans, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division Mr A. J. Chapman, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division Mr R. J. Hunt, Senior Finance Officer, Transport and Industry Division Mr J. Nichols, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The President of the Senate made an introductory statement. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Division 101 Department of the Senate Division 105 Parliamentary Reporting Staff Division 106 Parliamentary Library Division 107 Joint House Department (Document A—Parlimentary Departments) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the

Parliamentary Departments, subject to an undertaking by the President to provide ad­ ditional information to the Committee.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84— DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY AND COMMERCE In Attendance: Senator the Honourable John Button, Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Industry and Commerce and Minister Assisting the Minister for Communications, and Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Social Security, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Industry and Commerce Mr D. O’Connor, First Assistant Secretary, Management Division Mr H. Bates, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Operations Division Mr A. Bain, First Assistant Secretary, Policy Division 3

Mr R. Hoppe, First Assistant Secretary, Tertiary Industry Division Mr D. Smedley, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Systems Division Mr P. A. Murphy, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch Mr D. Lee, Assistant Secretary, Barrier Control Branch

Mr H. McMahon, Assistant Secretary, Resources, Excise and Bounties Branch Mr B. Cody, Assistant Secretary, Inland Service Branch Mr T. G. Boag, Assistant Secretary, Commerce and Regional Development Branch

Ms V. Stretton, Assistant Secretary, Development Finance Branch Mr B. Gallagher, Director, Consultation Section Mr B. Meredyth, Assistant Secretary, Steel Branch Industries Assistance Commission

Dr M. L. Parker, First Assistant Secretary, Inquiry Division No. 1 Mr K. B. Mourant, Acting Assistant Commissioner, Services Branch Department o f Finance Mr R. J. Hunt, Senior Finance Officer, Transport and Industry Division

Mr D. J. Evans, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Minister made an opening statement. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Division 400-404 (Document B)

Division 921-924 (Document C) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the De­ partment of Industry and Commerce, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to pro­ vide additional information to the Committee.

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5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84— DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT AND INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS In Attendance: Senator the Honourable John Button, Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Industry and Commerce and Minister Assisting the Minister for Communications (representing the Minister for Employment and Industrial Re­ lations), accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Employment and Industrial Relations Mr M. Jenkins, Deputy Secretary Mr A. Fogarty, Acting Deputy Secretary Mr R. Coffey, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Management Services Division Mr J. Ray, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Manpower Policy and Programs Mr J. Cooley, First Assistant Secretary, Employment Support Policy and

Programs Mr J. O’Shea, First Assistant Secretary, Industrial Relations and Arbitration Inspectorate Mr K. Fitzgerald, Manager, Resources Branch Mr G. Holmes, General Manager, Commonwealth Employment Service,

Programs Division Mr R. Saunderson, General Manager, Commonwealth Employment Service, Planning and Automatic Data Processing Division Mr G. Evans, Manager, Automatic Data Processing Branch Mr N. Fisher, Director, Bureau of Labour Market Research Mr N. Schouten, Acting Assistant Secretary, Community Programs Branch Mr C. Madden, Manager, Employment Operations Office o f the Industrial Registrar

Mr J. McMahon, Industrial Registrar Australian Trade Union Training Authority Mr M. Heagney, National Director Department o f Finance

Mr D. J. Evans, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Division 287-290 (Document B) Division 860-862 (Document C) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the De­ partment of Employment and Industrial Relations, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84— DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET In Attendance: Senator the Honourable John Button, Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Industry and Commerce and Minister Assisting the Minister for Communications (representing the Prime Minister), accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f the Prime Minister and Cabinet Mr A. D. Rose, Deputy Secretary Mr A. J. Mann, Acting Assistant Secretary, Services Branch Ms K. Taperell, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Office of the Status of Women Office o f National Assessments

Mr G. Taylor, Deputy Director-General Mr N. Denning, Chief Executive Officer

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Commonwealth Ombudsman Mr C. T. Hunt, Deputy Ombudsman Mr B. Hugg, Executive Officer Australian Science and Technology Council

Mr I. Shortt, Assistant Secretary Dr M. Wardrop, Principal Project Officer Auditor-General’s Office Mr A. A. Taylor, First Assistant Auditor-General

Mr P. D. Mazey, Assistant Auditor-General Mr B. J. Boland, Director (Management) Mr A. Solomon, Acting Executive Officer (Finance) Public Service Board

Mr B. R. Hamilton, Secretary, Public Service Board Mr J. Foley, First Assistant Commissioner, Management Systems and Ef­ ficiency Division Mr B. McCallum, Assistant Commisioner, Staff Development Mr B. A. Leahy, Director, Training Programs Section Mr K. S. Stokes, Assistant Director, Finance and Accounts Mr A. O’Shea, Assistant Commissioner, Management Branch Department o f Finance

Mr D. J. Evans, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Division 500-516 (Document B) Division 937-941 (Document C) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the De­ partment of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

7. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.51 p.m.

8. ATTENDANCE: Senators Coleman, Cook, Lewis, Peter Rae and Robert Ray. Apologies received from Senator Hill. Senators Baume and Robertson also attended.

ROBERT RAY Chairman

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THE SENATE

TUESDAY, 13 SEPTEMBER 1983

1 · MEETING: The Committee met at 3.44 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Robert Ray) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84— DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNICATIONS In Attendance: Senator the Honourable John Button, Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Industry and Commerce, and Minister Assisting the Minister for Communications, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Communications Mr E. E. Payne, Deputy Secretary Mr P. B. Westerway, First Assistant Secretary, Broadcasting Division Mr M. R. Ramsay, First Assistant Secretary, Radio Frequency Management

Division Mr V. J. Kane, First Assistant Secretary, Space, Telecommunications and Postal Policy Division Mr D. R. Eyles, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Communications Develop­

ment Division Mr J. P. Coleman, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Corporate Policy and Proj­ ects Division Mr R. N. Smith, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Mr B. Mulvey, Acting Assistant General Manager, Management Services Mr G. White, Assistant General Manager, Television Mr A. Wyndham, Acting Assistant General Manager, Radio Mr K. Bourke, Controller, Engineering Mr A. Bateman, Acting Controller of Television Programs Mr A. Coulter, Director, Finance Australian Broadcasting Tribunal

Mr B. Connolly, Secretary Mr C. Answerth, Senior Executive Officer, Management Services Mr D. Gilham, Executive Officer, Management Services Mr M. Payton, Finance Officer Special Broadcasting Service

Mr L. Shaw, First Assistant Executive Director, Corporate Affairs Division Mr K. Nazaroff, Head of Administration Mr D. Forsyth, Acting Director, Finance Australian Postal Commission

Ms J. Spiller, Acting General Manager, Operations Mr G. Brasier, Acting Manager, Financial Planning Branch

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 3

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Australian Telecommunications Commission Mr A. Kellock, Director, Finance Mr R. Liggett, Manager, Financial Planning Mr K. West, Commercial Services (Manager, Trunk Services)

Mr K. Barnes, Chief Planning Engineer Overseas Telecommunications Commission Ms M. Hellicar, Manager Legal Affairs Mr J. Randall, Assistant General Manager, Finance and Accounts

Mr D. Adams, Director, Finance Department o f Finance Mr D. J. Evans, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Minister made an opening statement. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Division 220-224 (Document B) Division 841-842 (Document C) The Committee concluded its consideration of the proposed expenditure for the De­ partment of Communications, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide ad­ ditional information to the Committee.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.08 p.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: Senators Coleman, Cook, Lewis, Peter Rae and Robert Ray. Apologies received from Senator Hill.

ROBERT RAY Chairman

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THE SENATE

TUESDAY, 4 OCTOBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 6.35 p.m. in Senate Com­ mittee room No. 4. The Chairman (Senator Robert Ray) took the Chair.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: The Minutes of meetings held on 6 September 1983,12 September 1983 and 13 September 1983 were confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered the Chairman’s draft Report to the Senate. Resolved: That the draft Report be agreed to.

4. PROVISION OF BRIEFING MATERIAL TO THE COMMITTEE: The Com­ mittee considered the provision of briefing material to Committee members. The Com­ mittee agreed to direct the Secretary to take up with the Clerk Assistant (Committees) the matters raised, and to report back to the Chairman.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.45 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senators Coleman, Lewis and Robert Ray. Apologies received from Senators Cook, Hill and Peter Rae.

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE A

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 4

ROBERT RAY Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee B has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

1. On 25 August 1983 the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June 1984, the Particu­ lars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in Respect of the Year ending on 30 June 1984 and the Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the year ended

30 June 1983, for the following departments:

Department of Social Security Department of Immigration and Ethnic Affairs Department of Housing and Construction Department of Health

2. The Committee has considered these Estimates and has received explanations of them from the Minister for Social Security (Senator the Honourable Don Grimes) and officers of the departments concerned, A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1983-84 and Appropri­ ation Bill (No. 2) 1983-84.

3. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following matter:

Minister for Finance—Special Funds

During the examination of the estimates for the Department of Social Security, the Committee sought an explanation of the intended use of the $53m sought under Div­ ision 312—Special Funds for Expenditure in relation to Government Programs at the Direction of the Minister for Finance.

Officers of the Department of Social Security informed the Committee that $20m of this vote was to be allocated for programs administered by the Department, particu­ larly the proposed assets test of pensions. The officers were only able to describe the intended use of the money in general terms, apparently because more specific details of

the expenditure had yet to be determined. While the Committee appreciates the difficulties faced by departments in setting up new programs at short notice, concern is expressed about several aspects of this proposed expenditure.

Firstly, the Committee questions the appropriateness of expending funds on a program which does not have parliamentary approval. Legislation concerning the assets test has not yet been introduced into the Parliament, so it could be considered premature to seek funds to finance administrative aspects of the test.

Secondly, the Committee considers that funds should not be sought without com­ prehensive details being available on their likely use. Programs should be comprehen­ sively costed before funding is sought, and a detailed explanation of expenditure pro­ vided in the Explanatory Notes.

The Committee notes the undertaking given by officers of the Department of Social Security to provide a detailed explanation of the application of moneys expended by that Department under the Special Funds item to Estimates Committee B as soon as possible, and before consideration of the Additional Estimates in 1984.

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Finally, the Committee questions the practice of seeking funds for the assets test under the vote for the ordinary annual services of the Government which is not subject to amendment by the Senate. The assets test is clearly a new program and its initial funding should have been in­ cluded in either Appropriation Bill (No. 2) which is intended, in part, for the funding of new policies or otherwise in a subsequent Appropriation Bill which could be introduced when the purposes for which the funds are required have been identified to the Parlia­ ment and the program approved by the Parliament.

The Committee considers that if a ‘Special Funds’ Division is to become a standard feature of future departmental estimates, it will be necessary to establish a mode of presentation and explanation mutually acceptable to the Parliament and the Executive in order to enable the proper scrutiny of such estimates.

4. The Committee records its appreciation of the assistance given by the Minister for Social Security (Senator the Hon. Don Grimes) and the officers of the departments concerned.

P. J. GILES Chairperson

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Estimates Committee B

Minutes of Proceedings

THE SENATE

THURSDAY, 8 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session in Senate Committee Room No. 3.

2. REFERRAL OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE: The Chairperson reported the entry in Journals of the Senate No. 21, dated 25 August 1983, relating to the referral of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June 1984, the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in respect of the Year ending on

30 June 1984 and the Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Year ended 30 June 1983.

3. STATEMENT BY CHAIRPERSON: The Chairperson made a statement relating to the procedure to be followed by the Committee in its examination of the estimates of expenditure.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.45 a.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: Senator Giles (Chairperson), Senators Bjelke-Petersen, Crowley, Elstob, Messner and Walters.

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 1

P. J. GILES Chairperson

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THE SENATE

TUESDAY, 13 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 3.45 p.m. in Senate Committee Rooms 1 and 2. The Chairperson, Senator Giles, took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983 84 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1982-83—DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SECURITY.

In attendance: Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister for Social Security, ac­ companied by the following officers:

Department o f Social Security Mr A. J. Ayers, Director-General Mr J. T. O’Connor, Deputy Director-General Mr N. J. Tanzer, Deputy Director-General Mr J. A. Battanta, Acting National Manager, Field Operations Mr J. F. MacMahon, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Benefits Delivery Mr D. Stanton, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Development Mr M. R. Douglas, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Legislation and

Review Mr J. Humphreys, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Operations Support Mr J. D. Hall, First Assistant Director-General, Rehabilitation Mr J. M. Mahoney, First Assistant Director-General, Resource Management Mr G. Pilger, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Subsidies Mr K. Burnett, Director, Office of Child Care Mr D. Dixon, Head, Social Welfare Policy Secretariat Mr C. Calvert, Assistant Director-General, Finance Mr P. Alexander, Assistant Director-General, Secretariat Department o f Finance

Mr H. Campbell, Senior Finance Officer Mr M. Danaher, Senior Finance Officer The Chairperson called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 560,561—Department of Social Security (Document B) Divisions 948,949 and 950—Department of Social Security (Document C) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 for the Department of Social Security, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1982-83—DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 2

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In attendance: Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister for Social Security, ac­ companied by the following officers:

Department o f Health Mr P. T. Pflaum, Acting Deputy Director-General Dr C. Selby Smith, First Assistant Director-General, Policy and Planning Division Mr J. S. McCauley, First Assistant Director-General, Surveillance and Investi­

gation Division Dr W. A. Langsford, First Assistant Director-General, Public Health Division Dr L. R. H. Drew, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Medical Services Division

Dr R. W. Gumming, First Assistant Director-General, National Health and Medical Research Council Division Dr K. W. Edmondson, First Assistant Director-General,Therapeutics Division Mr H. D. Kelaher, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Medical Benefits

Division Mr P. J. Johnstone, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Insurance, Hospi­ tals and Nursing Homes Division Mr K. M. Riordan, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Management Ser­

vices Division Dr J. W. Donovan, Acting First Assistant Director-General, Quarantine Division Mr W. G. Turk, Assistant Director-General, Internal Audit Branch Mr J. B. Kelly, Assistant Director-General, Finance Branch Mr G. F. Bunfield, Director, Finance Section

Mr A. E. Shields, Assistant Director-General, Pharmaceutical Benefits Branch Mr W. T. L. Taylor, Acting Assistant Secretary and Director-General, Investi­ gations Branch Capital Territory Health Commission Mr K. Doust, Chairman Mr R. Foskett, Secretary

Mr G. Thom, Assistant Commissioner, Finance and Services

Health Insurance Commission Mr M. Murray, Assistant General Manager, Finance

Department o f Finance Mr H. Campbell, Senior Finance Officer Mr M. Danaher, Senior Finance Officer Mr R. T. Perry, Acting Chief Finance Officer, Social Security Division

The Chairperson called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 325, 326, 327 and 329 Department of Health (Document B) Divisions 881, 882 and 883 Department of Health (Document C) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 for the Department of Health, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide ad­ ditional information to the Committee.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.40 p.m.

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5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present:

Senator Giles (Chairperson), Senators Bjelke-Petersen, R. A. Crowley, Elstob, Messner, Walters. Senators Baume, Chaney and Macklin also attended.

P. J. GILES Chairperson

THE SENATE

TUESDAY, 20 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 8.00 p.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 6. The Chairperson (Senator Giles) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPEN­ D ITU RE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1982-83—DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION AND ETHNIC AFFAIRS. In attendance: Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister for Social Security, ac­

companied by the following officers:

Department o f Immigration and Ethnic Affairs Mr L. Woodward, Deputy Secretary Mr R. Anderson, First Assistant Secretary, Management Mr A. Goward, First Assistant Secretary, Legislation and Review Ms B. Benson, Assistant Secretary, Personnel and Establishments Mr N. Hoffmann, Assistant Secretary, Settlement

Mr H. Ramsay, Assistant Secretary, Education Mr T. Griffiths, Assistant Secretary, Refugees and International Mr I. McNeil, Assistant Secretary, Finance and Services Mr N. Hitchcock, Acting Assistant Secretary, Immigration Policy

Mr J. Mahoney, Acting Assistant Secretary, Migrant Centres Mr B. Strangio, Acting Director, Financial Policy and Estimates Australian Institute o f Multicultural Affairs Mr P. Sheldrake, Deputy Director

Mr G. Woodward, Assistant to the Director Department o f Finance Mr H. Campbell, Senior Finance Officer The Chairperson called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 360, 364, 365 Department of Immigration and Ethnic Affairs (Document B) Divisions 902,903, 904 Department of Immigration and Ethnic Affairs (Document C) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure

1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 for the Department of Immigration and Ethnic Affairs, subject to an undertaking by the Minister to provide additional information to the Committee.

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 3

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3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPEN­ DITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR F IN A N C E 1 9 8 2 -8 3 — D E P A R T M E N T O F H O U S IN G A N D

CONSTRUCTION. In attendance: Senator the Honourable Don Grimes, Minister for Social Security, ac­ companied by the following officers:

Department o f Housing and Construction Mr K. J. Rodda, Deputy Secretary Mr W. E. Butler, Acting Assistant Secretary, Housing Assistance Branch Mr T. L. Slater, Assistant Secretary, Works Programming Branch Mr B. J. Wight, Assistant Secretary, Home Ownership Branch Mr R. G. Pitt, Acting Assistant Secretary, Finance Branch Department o f Finance

Mr H. Campbell, Senior Finance Officer The Chairperson called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 352, 353, 354, 355, 356 Department of Housing and Construction (Docu­ ment B) Divisions 896, 897 Department of Housing and Construction (Document C) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure

1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 for the Department of Housing and Construction, subject to an understanding by the Min­ ister to provide additional information to the Committee.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.50 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present:

Senator Giles (Chairperson), Senators Bjelke-Petersen, Crowley, Elstob, Messner. Senator Kilgariff also attended.

P. J. GILES Chairperson

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE B

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 4

THURSDAY, 22 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 6.30 p.m. in Senate Committee Room No. 7. The Chairperson (Senator Giles) took the Chair.

2. REPORT: The Committee discussed matters to be included in the Committee’s Re­ port to the Senate.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.35 p.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present:

Senator Giles (Chairperson), Senators Crowley, Elstob and Messner.

P. J. GILES Chairperson

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee C has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

1. On 25 August 1983 the Senate referred to the Committee the Estimates of Expendi­ ture for the Year ending on 30 June 1984 relating to the following:

Department of Resources and Energy Department of Trade Department of the Treasury Department of Primary Industry

Department of Finance Advance to the Minister for Finance Minister for Finance—Special Funds Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Year ended on 30 June 1983 was also referred to the Committee for examination.

2. The Committee has considered the Estimates of Expenditure and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance and received explanations of them from the Minister for Resources and Energy and officers of the departments concerned. A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard report of evidence taken by the Com­ mittee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropriation

Bill (No. 1) 1983-84 and Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1983-84. Further written expla­ nations furnished by departments will be presented separately and printed in the Hansard record.

3. The Committee expresses its appreciation for the assistance given by the Minister and the officers.

B. K. CHILDS Acting Chairman

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Estimates Committee C

Minutes of Evidence

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 1

MONDAY, 12 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 10.33 a.m. in Senate Com­ mittee Rooms 1 and 2. The Chairman (Senator Primmer) took the Chair.

2. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman made an introductory state­ ment. Pursuant to the Resolution of the Senate on 25 August 1983, the Committee would consider the following departmental estimates:

D iv is io n

D o c u m e n t * P a g e N o . D e p a r t m e n t A m o u n t

B 81 520-525 Resources and Energy

$

101 878 000

C 22 942-944 Resources and Energy 170 294 000

B 108 640-644 Trade 301 577 000

B 114 670-678 T reasury 458 586 000

C 28 976-982 Treasury 804 288 000

B 72 490-497 Primary Industry 146 912 000

C 21 930-933 Primary Industry 66 594 000

B 44 304-306 Finance 59 287 000

B 47 310 Advance to the Minister for Finance 150 000 000

B 47 312 Minister for Finance—Special Funds 53 000 000

C 14 864-865 Finance 158 834 000

C 14 863 Advance to the Minister for Finance 120 000 000

* Document B- ‘Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June 1984’. * Document C—‘Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in Respect of the Year ending on 30 June 1984'.

and expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance:

P a g e in D iv is io n

D o c u m e n t D * N o D e p a r t m e n t A m o u n t

11 430-431 Resources and Energy

$

32 532

13 644 Trade 1 444

14 160 Treasury 6 290

16 980 Treasury 193 398

11 495 Primary Industry 49 882

9 306 Finance 6 064

* Document D ‘Advance to the Minister for Finance— Statement of Heads of Expenditure and the amounts charged thereto, pursuant to section 36a of the A u d it A c t 1901, for the year ended 30 June 1983'.

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3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPEN­ DITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE FOR YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1983—DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH AFFAIRS Appearing: Senator Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Education and Youth Affairs Mr R. N. Allen, Director of Australian Capital Territory Further Education Mr J. J. Wilson, First Assistant Secretary, Resource Allocation and Transition Education Division Mr I. Ward, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Programs and Development No. 1

Division Mr P. C. Maher, Assistant Secretary, Departmental Services Division Mr M. Cusack, Assistant Secretary, Officer of Youth Affairs Division

MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1982-83—DEPARTMENT OF RESOURCES AND ENERGY. Appearing: Senator the Hon. P. A. Walsh, Minister for Resources and Energy, ac­ companied by the following officers:

Department o f Resources and Energy Mr D. J. Ives, Deputy Secretary Mr G. F. Cadogan-Cowper, Senior Assistant Secretary, Co-ordination and Management Division Mr A. Manderson, First Assistant Secretary, Water and Development Division Mr G. Gorrie, Assistant Secretary, Energy and Conservation Branch Dr W. B. Rotsey, First Assistant Secretary, Energy Research and Development

Division Mr P. Ryan, First Assistant Secretary, Coals and Minerals Division Mr J. C. Starky, First Assistant Secretary, Petroleum Division Dr A. R. Jensen, Assistant Director, Planning and Programs Branch, Bureau of

Mineral Resources Mr C. Veenstra, Director, Division of National Mapping Dr P. Kelly, Acting Deputy Director, Australian Atomic Energy Commission Mr W. H. Ratcliff, Secretary Manager, Administration, Australian Atomic En­

ergy Commission Mr T. R. Baker, Executive Member, The Pipeline Authority Department o f Finance Mr D. K. Wallace, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 520-525—Department of Resources and Energy (Document B) Divisions 942-944—Department of Resources and Energy (Document C) Divisions 430-431—Department of Resources and Energy (Document D) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure

1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 for the Department of Resources and Energy.

4. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1982-83—DEPARTMENT OF TRADE.

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Appearing: Senator the Hon. P. A. Walsh (representing the Minister for Trade) ac­ companied by the following officers:

Department o f Trade Mr B. F. Meere, First Assistant Secretary (Acting), Commodities No. 1 Division Mr J. M. Wilcox, First Assistant Secretary, Commodities No. 2 Division

Mr J. B. Gregory, Principal Adviser (Acting), Economic and Policy Division Mr J. McDonnell, Assistant Secretary, Trade Policy Division Mr F. E. Anderson, First Assistant Secretary, Trade Promotion and Services Division

Mr D. G. Gastin, Assistant Secretary, Trade Relations and Markets Division Mr P. Jenkins, Director, Development, Office of New Zealand Relations Mr R. J. Hall, Principal Adviser, Uranium Division Mr E. W. Exell, Senior Assistant Secretary, Management and Overseas Division

Mr M. Godfrey, Director, Finance and Services (Acting), Management and Overseas Division Mr R. A. Daly, Executive Member, Export Development Grants Board Mr J. T. Larkin, First Assistant Secretary, Economic and Policy Division Department o f Finance

Mr D. K. Wallace, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 640-644—Department of Trade (Document B) Division 644—Department of Trade (Document D) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 for the Department of Trade.

5. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE M IN ISTER FOR FIN A N C E 1982-83—DEPA R TM EN T OF THE TREASURY. Appearing: Senator the Hon. P. A. Walsh (representing the Treasurer) accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f the Treasury Central Treasury Mr J. D. C. C. Moore, Deputy Secretary (General) Mr J. Fraser, Assistant Secretary, Foreign Investment Division

Mr R. Q. Freney, Assistant Secretary, Revenue Loans and Investment Division Mr E. L. Waterman, Assistant Secretary, Revenue Loans and Investment Division Mr K. Waller, Assistant Secretary, Financial Institutions Division

Mr B. D. Cassidy, Acting Assistant Secretary, General Financial and Economic Policy Division Mr P. Sutherland, Senior Finance Officer, Resources Allocation and Develop­ ment Division

Mr S. Curley, Acting Assistant Commissioner, Office of the Insurance Commissioner Mr J. Joslin, Controller, Royal Australian Mint Mr A. Rowe, Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch

Mr T. L. Jobling, Director, Finance and Services Section 37

Mrs P. M. Bridge, Acting Finance Officer, Finance and Services Section Mr G. L. Burns, Director, Operations, Systems and ADP Section Mr J. E. Grenfell, Assistant Director, Personnel and Establishments Section Mr J. B. Pierson, Director, Security and Parliamentary Section Australian Taxation Office

Mr D. J. Cortese, Assistant Commissioner, Resources Mr R. L. Conwell, Senior Assistant Commissioner, Policy and Legislation Mr J. J. Crotty, Executive Assistant, Treaties and Projects Mr D. W. Holmesby, Inspector Finance, Resources Australian Bureau o f Statistics

Mr W. McLennan, First Assistant Statistician, Co-ordination and Management Division Mr D. Anderson, First Assistant Statistician, Economic Accounts Division Mr R. P. Green, Assistant Statistician, Manufacturing, Construction and Distri­

bution Branch Mr S. Parson, Acting Assistant Statistician, Manpower Branch Mr D. Leaver, Assistant Statistician, Statistical Services Branch Mr B. H. Crook, Assistant Statistician, Operations and Software Branch Mr J. W. Maurer, Assistant Statistician, Management Services Branch Mr J. Mackay, Director, Finance and General Services Section Ms M. C. Jones, Senior Inspector, Finance and Accounts Sub-section Mr R. Leovic, Assistant Director, Information Services Section Department o f Finance

Mr D. K. Wallace, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 670-678—Department of the Treasury (Document B) Divisions 976-982—Department of the Treasury (Document C) Division 160—Department of the Treasury (Document D) Division 980—Department of the Treasury (Document D) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure

1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 for the Department of the Treasury.

6. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1982-83—DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRY. Appearing: Senator the Hon. P. A. Walsh (representing the Minister for Primary In­ dustry) accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Primary Industry Mr G. L. Miller, Deputy Secretary Mr E. J. Waring, Assistant Secretary, Meat and Wool Division Mr G. E. Pettit, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Dairy and Intensive Livestock

Division Mr E. W. Muir, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Field Crops Division Mr G. Mackey, First Assistant Secretary, Forestry and Horticultural Crops Division Mr D. R. Barnes, Assistant Secretary, Fisheries Division

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Mr G. M. Young, Principal Executive Officer, Development and Co-ordination Division Mr E. S. Malikides, Acting Assistant Secretary, Development and Co­ ordination Division Mr P. H. Langhorne, Acting Director, Export Inspection Service Mr J. R. Smith, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Operations Division

Mr D. D. R. Pearson, Acting Assistant Secretary, Operations Division, Manage­ ment Services Branch Mr N. J. Kelly, Acting Director, Financial Management Section Dr A. B. Stoeckel, Director, Bureau of Agricultural Economics Mr W. A. Scanlan, Principal Veterinary Officer, Bureau of Animal Health Department o f Finance

Mr D. K. Wallace, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 490-497—Department of Primary Industry (Document B) Divisions 930-933—Department of Primary Industry (Document C) Division 495—Department of Primary Industry (Document D) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure

1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 for the Department of Primary Industry.

7. CONSIDERATION OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPENDITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1982-83—DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE. Appearing: Senator the Hon. P. A. Walsh (representing the Minister for Finance) accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Finance Mr A. D. Preston-Stanley, Acting Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch Mr J. V. Galloway, Assistant Secretary, Employment and Government Branch Mr C. W. Patch, Senior Finance Officer, Employment and Government Branch Mr A. L. Ray, Acting Director, Finance and General Services Mr P. J. Barrett, First Assistant Secretary, Transport and Industry Division Mr H. J. Heinrich, Principal Adviser, Transport and Industry Division Mr M. J. Mayoh, Acting Assistant Secretary, Transport and Communications

Branch Mr R. G. Humphry, First Assistant Secretary, Accounting and Supply Division Mr D. K. Wallace, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Branch Mr W. Walker, Senior Finance Officer, Accounting Operations Branch

Mr P. Hickey, Acting Assistant Secretary, Social Welfare Branch Mr B. J. Tierney, Acting Director, Planning and Operations, ADP Branch Mr L. J. Buckland, Senior Finance Officer, Special Projects Australian Government Retirement Benefits Office

Mr P. J. Gunther, Assistant Secretary, Administration Mr K. J. McCullagh, Director, Services Mr R. Jackson, Finance Officer Superannuation Fund Investment Trust Mr R. Douglas, Secretary for the Trust

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The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 304-306—Department of Finance (Document B) Division 310—Department of Finance, Advance to the Minister for Finance (Document B) Division 312—Department of Finance, Minister for Finance-Special Funds (Docu­ ment B)

Divisions 864-865—Department of Finance (Document C) Division 868—Department of Finance, Advance to the Minister for Finance (Document C) Division 306—Department of Finance (Document D) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure

1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 for the Department of Finance.

8. INCORPORATION OF FETTER IN H ANSARD : It was agreed that the letter and attachment from the Minister for Finance addressed to the Chairman, dated 9 Sep­ tember 1983, relating to Division 312 of Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1983-84, be incor­ porated in the Committee’s Hansard.

9. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.06 p.m.

10. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Childs, Sir John Carrick, Dame Margaret Guilfoyle, Maguire and Primmer. Also present were Senators Archer, Kilgariff and Robertson.

B. CHILDS Acting Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 2

MONDAY, 12 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 6.07 p.m. The Chairman (Senator Primmer) took the Chair.

2. DRAFT REPORT: The Chairman asked for matters of interest which could be in­ cluded in the Committee’s Report. It was agreed to wait until the written replies had been received from the Departments.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.09 p.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Childs, Sir John Carrick, Dame Margaret Guilfoyle, Maguire and Primmer.

B. CHILDS Acting Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE C

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 3

WEDNESDAY, 5 OCTOBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 7.50 p.m.

2. ABSENCE OF CHAIRMAN: The Secretary announced that the Chairman was unavailable due to ill health, and had appointed Senator Childs as Deputy-Chairman. Senator Childs thereupon took the Chair.

3. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: The minutes for the meetings on 12 Sep­ tember were read and confirmed.

4. DRAFT REPORT: The Acting Chairman presented a draft Report for consideration.

Resolved—That the Report be adopted.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 7.55 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: Senator Childs (Acting Chairman), Senators Boswell, Dame Margaret Guilfoyle and Maguire.

B. CHILDS Acting Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee D has the honour to report to the Senate.

1. On 25 August 1983, the Senate referred to the Committee the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Year 1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83, relating to the Department of Education and Youth Affairs, the Department of Sport, Recreation and Tourism, the Department of Science and Technology, the Department of Home Affairs and Environment and the Depart­

ment of Aboriginal Affairs.

2. The Committee has considered the Estimates of the Departments, together with the Departmental Explanatory Notes, and has received evidence in relation to them from the Minister for Education and Youth Affairs and officers of the departments. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropri­ ation Bill (No. 1) 1983-84 and Appropriation Bill (No. 2). Answers to questions which

were deferred and subsequently given in writing since the Committee’s last hearings will be tabled in the Senate and incorporated in the final Hansard report of the Com­ mittee’s hearings. The Committee has no additional comments to make on the depart­ mental estimates.

3. The Committee expresses its appreciation of the assistance it received from the Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, Senator Susan Ryan, and from the officers of the various departments.

October 1983

M. A. COLSTON Chairman

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Estimates Committee D

Minutes of Evidence

THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 1

THURSDAY, 15 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 11.39 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the Chair.

2. STATEMENT BY CHAIRMAN: The Chairman stated that, pursuant to a Resolution of the Senate of 25 August 1983, the Committee would consider the follow­ ing departmental estimates:

D iv is io n

D o c u m e n t * P a g e N o . D e p a r t m e n t A m o u n t

B 35 270-284 Education and Youth Affairs

$

730 303 000

C 12 848-851 Education and Youth Affairs 37 041 000

B 101 590-592 Sport, Recreation and Tourism 43 600 000

C 26 956-958 Sport, Recreation and Tourism 1 284 000

B 85 540-554 Science and Technology 521 304 000

C 24 945-947 Science and Technology 52 889 000

B 57 330-349 Home Affairs and Environment 152 989 000

C 16 888-892 Home Affairs and Environment 14 483 000

B 9 120-125 Aboriginal Affairs 185 775 000

C 9 804-806 Aboriginal Affairs 40 245 000

* Document B—‘Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June 1984’.

* Document C —‘Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in Respect of the Year ending on 30 June 1984’.

and expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance:

P a g e in

D o c u m e n t D *

D iv is io n

N o . D e p a r t m e n t A m o u n t

8 270-284 Education and Youth Affairs

$

6 476 314

12 542-544 Science and Technology 135 007

10 330-336 Home Affairs and Environment 95 887

5 120 Aboriginal Affairs 170 881

15 805 Aboriginal Affairs 196 967

* Document D—‘Advance to the Minister for Finance—Statement of Heads of Expenditure and the amounts charged thereto, pursuant to section 36a of the A u d it A c t 1901, for the Year ended 30 June 1983'.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPEN­ DITU RE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR

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FINANCE FOR YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1983—DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND YOUTH AFFAIRS Appearing: Senator Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Education and Youth Affairs Mr R. N. Allen, Director of Australian Capital Territory Further Education Mr J. J. Wilson, First Assistant Secretary, Resource Allocation and Tran­ sition Education Division Mr I. Ward, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Programs and Development

No. 1 Division »

Mr P. C. Maher, Assistant Secretary, Departmental Services Division Mr M. Cusack, Assistant Secretary, Officer of Youth Affairs Division Mr B. Milligan, Assistant Secretary, Office of Youth Affairs Division Ms H. Briggs, Acting Principal Executive Officer, Office of Youth Affairs

Division Ms J. Miller, Assistant Secretary, International Education Branch Mr G. D. Fowler, Director, Language Teaching Branch Mr B. Morey, Acting Assistant Secretary, Research Branch Mr D. Moss, Director, Student Assistance Branch No. 1 Mr G. Franklin, Acting Assistant Secretary, Student Assistance Branch No. 2 Mr R. Moss, Acting Assistant Secretary, Aboriginal Education Branch Mr P. Hughes, Chairman, National Aboriginal Education Committee Mr P. Kearns, Assistant Secretary, Territorial Policy and Co-ordination Branch Mr J. Morey, Director, Territorial Policy and Co-ordination Branch Commonwealth Schools Commission

Mr P. Cameron, Acting Assistant Secretary Ms D. Mildern, Acting First Assistant Secretary Mr R. McNamara, Assistant Secretary, School Development Branch Mr W. Street, Assistant Secretary, Special Services to Students Branch Mr J. McMorrow, Assistant Secretary, General Recurrent Resources Branch Mr V. Lorenz, Finance Officer Commonwealth Tertiary Education Commission

Mr L. Hennessy, First Assistant Commissioner Mr P. Grant, Director, Policy and Analysis, Technical and Further Education Branch Mr R. Walker, Director, Finance and Management Services

Curriculum Development Centre Mr D. Francis, Acting Director Australian Capital Territory Schools Authority Mr R. P. Sadler, Assistant Chief Education Officer

Ms T. Reilly, Assistant Director, Finance and Services Australian National University Mr R. Boardman, Bursar Canberra College o f Advanced Education

Mr G. Eadie, Secretary Australian Maritime College Mr N. Thomas, Business Manager

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Department o f Finance Mr A. J. Chapman, Acting Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 270-284—Department of Education and Youth Affairs (Document B) Divisions 848-851 —Department of Education and Youth Affairs (Document C) Divisions 270-284—Department of Education and Youth Affairs (Document D) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure and Expendi­ ture under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Department of Education and Youth Affairs.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPENDI­ TURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1983—DEPARTMENT OF HOME AFFAIRS AND ENVIRONMENT Appearing: Senator Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, accompanied by

the following officers:

Department o f Home AJfairs and Environment Dr D. McMichael, Secretary Mr P. Galvin, Deputy Secretary Mr B. Smith, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Culture and Heritage Division Mr E, Wigley, First Assistant Secretary, International Expositions Division Mr K. Thompson, First Assistant Secretary, Environment Division

Dr P. Bridgewater, Director, Bureau of Flora and Fauna Mr B. Palmer, Assistant Secretary, Co-ordination and Management Services Branch Mr B. Zanetti, Acting Director Finance and Services, Co-ordination and Man­

agement Services Branch Mr B. Lineham, Acting Finance Officer, Co-ordination and Management Ser­ vices Branch Australian Archives

Mr C. Pitson, Assistant Director-General, Business Management Australian War Memorial Air-Vice Marshal J. H. Flemming, Director Mr M. Coley, Assistant Director, Resources Management

Australia Council Mr R. Taylor, Director, Financial Advisory Division Mr J. Kitney, Director, Management Services Australian Bicentennial Authority

Mr D. Armstrong, General Manager Mr W. Fairbanks, Deputy General Manager Australian Film and Television School Mr F. Morgan, Deputy Director

Australian Film Commission Mr J. Skrzynski, General Manager Mr B. Gittings, Secretary Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority

Mr G. Kelleher, Chairman Mr D. Chippendale, Assistant Executive Officer, Administration 51

National Library o f Australia Mr B. Yates, Acting Director-General Mr R. Laing, Director, Management Services Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service

Mr M. Hill, Assistance Director Mr J. Crennan, Principal Executive Officer Australian National Gallery Mr G. Andrews, Administrator

Mr M. Claasz, Finance Manager Museum o f Australia ·* Mr A. Martin, Acting Executive Secretary Australian Heritage Commission

Dr R. Bruce, Acting Assistant Director Office o f the Supervising Scientist Mr J. Whitehead, First Assistant Secretary, Policy and Administration Mr R. C. Wells, Secretary, Alligator Rivers Region Research Institute Department o f Finance

Mr A. J. Chapman, Acting Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 330-349—Department of Home Affairs and Environment (Document B) Divisions 888-892—Department of Home Affairs and Environment (Document C) Divisions 330-336—Department of Home Affairs and Environment (Document

D)

The Committee, having concluded its consideration of Division 334, suspended its hear­ ing of the Department of Home Affairs and Environment.

5. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 10.40 p.m.

6. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Colston (Chairman) and Senators Baume, Coates, Martin and Zakharov.

7. APOLOGIES: Senator Teague.

M. A. COLSTON Chairman

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ESTIMATES COMMITTEE D

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 2

FRIDAY, 16 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 10.06 a.m. The Chairman (Senator Colston) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPEN­ D ITU RE UNDER TH E ADVANCE TO THE M INISTER FOR FINANCE FOR YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1983—DEPARTMENT OF HOME AFFAIRS AND ENVIRONMENT The Committee continued and concluded its consideration of the Particulars of

Proposed Expenditure 1983-84 and Expenditure Under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Year ending 30 June 1983 for the Department of Home Affairs and Environment.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84— DEPARTMENT OF SPORT, RECREATION AND TOURISM Appearing: Senator Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Sport, Recreation and Tourism Mr Η. B. MacDonald, Secretary Mr R. G. Harvey, First Assistant Secretary, Tourism Division Mr G. R. Dempster, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Sport and Recreation

Division Mr P. L. Brettell, Acting Assistant Secretary, Sport and Recreation Division Mr K. R. Fairbrother, Assistant Secretary, Secretariat and Co-ordination Branch Mr A. W. Barden, Assistant Director, Finance, Secretariat and Co-ordination

Branch

Australian Institute o f Sport Mr D. Talbot, Executive Director Mr P. Bowman, Secretary Mr J. Scaranow, Finance Administrator

Australian Tourist Commission Mr J. S. Rowe, General Manager Mr J. H. Brace, Director, Program Planning and Evaluation Department o f Finance

Mr A. J. Chapman, Acting Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration: Divisions 590-592—Department of Sport, Recreation and Tourism (Document B)

Divisions 956-958—Department of Sport, Recreation and Tourism (Document C )

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the Department of Sport, Recreation and Tourism.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPENDI­ TURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE FOR YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1983—DEPARTMENT OF ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS Appearing: Senator Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, accompanied by

the following officers:

Department o f Aboriginal 'Affairs Mr J. C. Taylor, Secretary Mr D. J. O’Rourke, Acting Deputy Secretary Mr P. Hand, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Program Development Division Mr R. F. T. Toohey, Acting Assistant Secretary, Health and Education Branch Mr D. McDonald, Acting Assistant Secretary, Management Operations Branch Mr J. G. Menham, Assistant Secretary, Secretariat Branch Mr W. E. Miller, Acting Assistant Secretary, Budget Branch Mr R. Huey, Acting Assistant Secretary, Land and Mining Branch Mr G. E. P. Hansen, Acting Assistant Secretary, Law and Justice Branch National Aboriginal Conference

Mr R. Riley, Acting National Chairman Mr L. Malezar, Acting Secretary-General Ms J. Fischer, Senior Finance Officer Aboriginal Development Commission

Mr C. Perkins, Chairman Mr K. Martin, Administrator Mr M. O’Brien, Assistant Administrator (Operations) Aboriginal Hostels Limited Mr N. Perkins, General Manager Mr R. Clarke, Company Secretary Australian Institute o f Aboriginal Studies Mr E. Willmot, Principal Mr T. Varga, Accountant Department o f Finance Mr A. J. Chapman, Acting Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply

Division

The Minister for Education and Youth Affairs tabled a statement relating to the Proposed Expenditure for the Department of Aboriginal Affairs. The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 120-125—Department of Aboriginal Affairs (Document B) Divisions 804-806—Department of Aboriginal Affairs (Document C) Divisions 120 and 805—Department of Aboriginal Affairs (Document D) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure and Expendi­ ture under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Department of Aboriginal Affairs.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPEN­ DITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR

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FINANCE FOR YEAR ENDING 30 JUNE 1983—DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY Appearing: Senator Ryan, Minister for Education and Youth Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Science and Technology Mr P. B. Free, Acting Deputy Secretary Mr E. T. Roots, Director, Finance and Supply Section Mr J. A. Wharton, Executive Officer, Budget

Dr D. J. Bell, First Assistant Secretary, Technology Development Division Mr P. Schultz, Assistant Secretary, Technology Infrastructure Branch Mr A. Mikkonen, Acting Director, Co-ordination and Administration Section, Technology Development Division

Mr R. S. Goleby, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Operational Programs Division Mr j. G. Rochford, Acting Assistant Secretary, Management Services Branch Dr J. S. Boyd, Assistant Secretary, Antarctic Policy and Transport Studies

Branch Mr P. C. Card, Manager, Finance and Accounting, Antarctic Division Dr J. W. Zillman, Director of Meterology Mr P. Spehr, Assistant Director, Management, Bureau of Meteorology

Mr W. J. Peart, Acting Senior Assistant Commissioner, Business Management, Patent, Trade Marks and Designs Office Mr G. W. Bullivant, Acting Director, Resource Management, Patent, Trade Marks and Designs Office

Mr K. Creech, Director, International Policy and Program Development Section Mr B. D. Fitzpatrick, Budget Officer Dr J. S. Bunt, Director, Australian Institute of Marine Science

Mr H. A. Wray, Finance Officer, National Standards Commission Mr D. W. Cunliffe, Executive Officer, Anglo Australian Telescope Board Dr J. G. Robertson, Research Scientist, Anglo Australian Telescope Board Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization

Dr N. K. Boardman, Member of CSIRO Executive Mr K. A. Ferguson, Director, CSIRO Institute of Animal and Food Sciences Mr K. T. Smith, Acting Secretary (Finance and Administration)

Mr I. L. Farrar, Assistant Secretary (Budget) Mr I. L. Harvey, Chief Finance Officer Mr K. N. Bedford, Senior Finance Officer Mr R. A. Riches, Senior Finance Officer

Miss A. Johnstone, Finance Officer Dr B. T. England, Scientific Services Officer Department o f Finance Mr A. J. Chapman, Acting Senior Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply

Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Divisions 540-554—Department of Science and Technology (Document B) Divisions 945-947—Department of Science and Technology (Document C) Divisions 542-544—Department of Science and Technology (Document D)

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The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure and Expendi­ ture under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Department of Science and Technology. -

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 5.15 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Colston (Chairman) and Senators Baume, Coates, Martin and Zakharov. Senator Jack Evans also attended the meeting.

8. APOLOGIES: Senator Teague.

M. A. COLSTON Chairman

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE E

REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee E has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

1. On 25 August 1983, the Senate referred to the Committee the Estimates of Expenditure for 1983-84 and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 relating to the following departments:

Department of the Attorney-General Department of Defence Department of Defence Support Department of Foreign Affairs

Department of Special Minister of State

2. The Committee has considered these Estimates of Expenditure and Expendi­ ture under the Advance to the Minister for Finance and has received explanations of them from the Attorney-General and officers of the departments concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Com­ mittee are tabled for the information of the Senate in connection with its consideration of Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1983-84, Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1983-84 and

Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83.

3. During the hearing of evidence, undertakings were given that additional written information would be made available to the Committee. Written replies to questions will be tabled for the information of the Senate, and incorporated in the final Hansard report of the Committee’s hearings.

4. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following matters aris­ ing from its consideration of the estimates:

Minister fo r Finance— Special Funds The Committee noted that some of the Departments whose estimates it examined appeared to have little or no knowledge of how they might have access to special funds being sought by the Minister for Finance in Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1983-84. The

Bill shows that the Minister is seeking special funds of $53 million for expenditure at his direction in respect of salaries and administrative expenses for ‘the commencement, continuation or expansion of Government programs’.

A representative of the Department of Finance told the Committee (Evidence, 15.9.1983, p. 299) that all departments had been advised of the special funds, and all Departments would be able to bring forward requests if they wished to do so. Despite this, those departments questioned on the matter seemed either unaware or only par­ tially aware of the special funds proposal and none could indicate how they might benefit from it.

The Committee was told by the Department of Finance representative that of the $53 million proposed to be appropriated for the special funds, approximately $20 million would be set aside for possible allocation to the administration of the assets test. The remaining $33 million was to provide for salary and administrative costs resulting

from the expansion of existing programs and additions to already announced new pol­ icy proposals of the present Government.

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Any lack of knowledge of the special funds and of their possible access to those funds by departments was not assisted by the explanation set forth in the Department of Finance’s Explanatory Notes. This was just a straight reproduction of the purpose stated in Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1983-84. No attempt appears to have been made by the Department of Finance to provide more detailed information to the Parliament on the need for a special funds appropriation and on why that need could not have been met within existing mechanisms such as the Advance to the Minister for Finance.

The Committee is concerned that a new category of contingency fund appears to have been established with little or no prior consultation with other departments and with no prior discussion in the Parliament. The Committee realises that all Govern­ ments require some flexibility in expenditure without prior Parliamentary approval. To date this need has been met by the Advance. The Committee is not aware of any indi­ cation that the conditions governing the Advance are proving inadequate or unduly restrictive.

The Committee would welcome a detailed statement from the Government on the rationale for the special funds proposal and, specifically, responses to questions such as:

• Is the provision for special funds a de facto move beyond the ‘urgent’ and ‘unfore­ seen’ criteria governing use of the Advance to the Minister for Finance?

• Could not the expenditures envisaged have been met either from the Advance or by inclusion in Additional Appropriation Bills?

• Is the provision for special funds to be a regular feature of future Appropriation Bills?

• Are guidelines being established for departments to enable them to ascertain their el­ igibility for special funds; if so, will they be tabled in the Parliament and when?

• What particular form will reports to the Parliament on the expenditure of special funds take?

Another matter of concern to the Committee is that the convention appears not to have been observed whereby expenditure on new policies not previously authorised by legislation is, on the first appearance of such expenditure in the Appropriation Bills, shown in Appropriation Bill (No. 2). This practice has been in force since 1965 and is designed to give the Senate the opportunity to make amendments in relation to expen­ diture on new initiatives—an opportunity available to it when considering Appropri­ ation Bill (No. 2) but not when considering Appropriation Bill (No. 1).

In accord with this practice, any component of the special funds appropriation for additions to or the commencement of new policy initiatives should have appeared not in Appropriation Bill (No. 1) but in Appropriation Bill (No. 2), as is done, where appli­ cable, with the Advance to the Minister for Finance. On the explanations given to the Committee it appears, prima facie, that some component of the special funds is for new policy initiatives.

Department o f Defence— ‘Cannibalisation o f aircraft The Committee questioned officers of the Department of Defence over reports that the RAAF Support Command was having to cannibalise parts from some aeroplanes to keep others operational.

Reference was made to an article in the Australian of 4 May 1983 in which the officer commanding Support Command, Air Vice Marshall B. H. Collings, was reported to have said that the diversion of money within the Defence budget toward the purchase of new equipment such as the FA18 strike fighter and extra P3C long-range

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maritime patrol aircraft had resulted in an inability by Support Command to meet many demands for spares from operational squadrons.

Air Vice Marshall Collings was reported to have said that the squadrons were man­ aging to meet their targets by cannibalising parts from ‘Christmas tree’ aeroplanes, as well as by changing engines more often and by other means.

The Committee was unable, in its questioning, to obtain sufficient detail either on the accuracy of the reported comments or on the extent and ultimate additional cost of cannibalisation practices. While it recognises that there must inevitably be some can- nibalisation of equipment to meet emergency needs, the Committee is concerned that the practice is alleged to be more widespread, and that it could indicate an inadequate provision of spare parts for key items of defence equipment.

The question of cannibalisation of equipment for spares by the RAAF has pre­ viously been investigated by the Public Accounts Committee (187th Report, Parlia­ mentary Paper No. 65/1981). As the practice is alleged still to be occurring, the Public Accounts Committee may wish to consider a follow-on inquiry.

Departmental responses to the reports o f the Auditor-General The Committee experienced some difficulty in getting specific responses from officers of the Department of Defence to criticisms by the Auditor-General in recent re­ ports. In fact the Committee was struck by what appeared at times to be an almost dis­

missive attitude to serious criticisms by the Auditor-General concerning the Depart­ ment’s project management practices, particularly in areas such as shipbuilding.

The Auditor-General, in his most recent report (September 1983) comments, for example:

This Office considers that the Department’s project management practices for major projects covered by this review were unsatisfactory, contributing to:

• significant additional costs to the Commonwealth (incurred and prospective); • the need for scarce resources to be engaged in rectifying project problems; and • diminution of the defence capability through untimely delivery of equipment and facilities and through equipment and facilities not meeting technical per­

formance objectives, (p. 38) In the light of such criticisms, the Committee would have expected a more informed and detailed response to its follow-up questioning than comments such as:

I think the report rather tends to look at it somewhat simplistically in the sense that it does not appreciate the complex interrelationships which exist within a de­ partment such as our Defence Department (Evidence, 15.9.1983, p. 302).

The Auditor-General in fact did specifically refer to the Department’s organisational complexities as an underlying cause of the problems he singled out, and went on to comment:

Audit is of the view that urgent action is needed so that all issues within the control of the Department are fully recognised and appropriate measures taken to contain lead times, ensure adherence to specified service requirements and minimise cost

escalation (p. 38).

This Committee is of the view that there ought, in the near future, to be a comprehen­ sive review of the Defence Department’s project management practices and perform­ ance. Such a review could be undertaken by outside specialist consultants, by an appro­ priate parliamentary committee or by a non-parliamentary specialist committee. Such

a committee could well begin its task by following up the various criticisms in reports of

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the Auditor-General over the years and should also take into account the final report of the Defence Review Committee (the Utz Report, 1982).

By way of contrast, the Committee found the explanations of the Department of Defence Support in relation to criticisms by the Auditor-General to be much more helpful. When questioned on several matters in the Auditor-General’s report of Sep­ tember 1983 Department of Defence Support officials acknowledged the validity of the criticisms made and were able to indicate to the Committee the steps being taken to rec­ tify matters.

Detail in Explanatory Notes In the estimates for the Australian Development Assistance Bureau the Committee noted what appeared to be reductions of several million dollars in annual contributions to various United Nations agencies for 1984. When questioned ADAB officers explained that the ‘reductions’ in fact represented the deferral of contributions for the latter half of 1984 to the 1984-85 appropriations.

The Committee makes the observation that a statement to this effect in the Explanatory Notes would have saved some questioning and possible misapprehension.

5. The Committee expresses its appreciation of the assistance given by the Attorney-General and the officers of the various departments and authorities who appeared before the Committee.

6. Papers tabled during the public hearings are attached to this report. Also attached is additional explanatory material provided by the Attorney-General in re­ lation to an answer he gave during consideration of the Estimates of the Department of the Special Minister of State.

6 October 1983

MICHAEL TATE Acting Chairman

THE LAW REFORM COMMISSION Current References

at 10.9.1983

Reference

Privacy

Consumer Insolvency Stage II Debt Re­ covery and Insol­ vency

Access to the Courts (Standing to Sue and Class Actions)

Aboriginal Customary Laws

Expected date

Date received Consultative Papers of completion

9 April 1976

10 May 1976

1 February 1977

9 February 1977

Discussion Paper No. 2. Privacy and Publication- Proposals for Protection April 1977. Discussion Paper No. 13. Privacy

and Intrusions. June 1980. Discussion Paper No. 14. Privacy and Personal Information. June 1980 Research Papers. Discussion Paper No. 6 . Debt Re­

covery and Insolvency July 1978. Research Paper No. 1. Default Summons Survey 1982.

Discussion Paper No. 4. Access to the Courts—I Standing: Public Interest Suits—November 1977.

Working Paper No. 7. Access to Courts—I Standing: Public Interest Suits—November 1977. Discussion Paper No. 11. Access

to Courts—II Class Actions— June 1979. Discussion Paper No. 17. Aborigi­ nal Customary Law Recog­

nition November 1980. Re­ search Papers. No. 1. Promised Marriage in Abor­ iginal Society, 1982.

No. 2. The Recognition of Abor­ iginal Customary or Tribal Mar­ riage: General Principles, 1982. No. 3. The Recognition of Aborigi­

nal Tribal Marriage: Areas for Functional Recognition 1982. No. 4. Aboriginal Customary Law: Child Custody, Fostering and

Adoption 1982. No. 5. Aboriginal Customary Law: Traditional and Modern Distri­

butions of Property, 1982. No. 6 A. Cases on Traditional Pun­ ishments and Sentencing No. 6 . Aboriginal Customary Law

and the Substantive Criminal Law, 1982. No. 7. Aboriginal Customary Law: The Sentencing and Disposition

of Offenders. No. 8 . Aboriginal Customary Law: A General Regime of Recog­ nition, 1982. No. 9. Separate Institutions and

Rules for the Aboriginal People: Pluralism and Reverse Discrimi­ nation, 1982. No. 10. Separate Institutions and

Rules for Indigenous Peoples- International Prescriptions and Proscriptions, 1982. No. 13. Aboriginal Customary

Law: Problems of Evidence and Procedure, 1983.

A final report is expected to be tabled in the

present sitting.

Mid 1984 Report on Standing: late 1983 Report on Class Actions:

Mid 1984

Mid 1984.

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Reference Date received Consultative Papers

Expected date of completion

No. 14. The Proof of Aboriginal Customary Law, 1983.

Sentencing Stage II II August 1978 Sentencing: National Survey of Judges and Magistrates March 1979.

Evidence 18 July 1979

Admiralty Jurisdiction and Foreign State Immun­ ity

Service and Execution of Process

Contempt Law Matromonial Property

23 November 1982

11 March 1982

29 November 1982

7 April 1983 16 June 1983

Discussion Paper 10. Sentencing Reform Options June 1979.

ALRC 15 Sentencing of Federal Offenders (Interim) tabled 21 May 1980 Research Papers.

Discussion Paper No. 16. Reform of Evidence Law 1980 Issues Paper No. 3. Reform of Evi­ dence Law. October 1980 Re­ search Paper.

No. 1. Comparison of Evidence Legislation in Federal Courts and Courts of Territories, 1981.

No. 2. Common Law of Evidence: Areas of Disagreement and Un­ certainty, 1981.

No. 3. Hearsay Evidence Proposal, 1981.

No. 4. Secondary Evidence of Documents, 1981.

No. 5. Competence and com­ pellability of Witnesses, 1981.

No. 6 . Sworn and Unsworn Evi­ dence, 1982.

No. 7. Relevance, 1982.

No. 8 . Manner of Giving Evi­ dence, 1982.

No. 9. Hearsay Law Reform— Which Approach? 1982.

No. 10. The Judge—Adducing Evidence and Judicial Notice, 1982.

No. 11. Character and Conduct 1982.

No. 12. Identification Evidence, 1982.

No. 13. Opinion Evidence, 1983.

No. 14. Aspects of Proof, 1983.

Research Paper Procedural Immunities and Submissions to the Commission.

Interim Report was pre­ sented in 1980. Further work on the reference cannot proceed until ap­ propriate resources be­ come available.

Interim report late 1983.

Late 1984

Discussion paper expected late 1983.

Late 1984

Late 1985 Late 1985

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LAW REFORM COMMISSION References on which the Commission has Reported

At 6.9.1983

Date

Subject referred

Reports Implemented 1. Complaints against 15.5.1974 Police—No. 1

2. Complaints against 1.1.1977 Police—No. 2

3. Alcohol, Drugs, 22.1.1976 Driving

4. H um an T issue 15.7.1976 Transplants

Reports Partially Implemented 5. P riv a c y —F irst 9.4.1976 Stage

6 . Sentencing 11.8.1978

Reports Not Implemented 7. Criminal Investi- 16.5.1975 gation

Report to Responsible Attorney department Present position

7.8.1975 Special Minister of State

9.6.1978 Special Minister of State

30.6.1976 Territories and Local Government

30.6.1977 Health

26.9.1979 Treasury

25.1.1980 Attorney-General's

8.11.1975 Attorney-General’s

Implemented by C o m p la in ts (A u s tr a lia n F e d e ra l P olice) A c t 1981. That Act and Regulations under it came into operation on 1 May

1982.

Implemented by M o to r T r a ffic (A lc o h o l a n d D rugs) O rd i­

n a n ce 1977 A.C.T.

Implemented by T r a n s p l a n ­ ta tio n a n d A n a t o m y O rd i­

n a n ce 1978 (A.C.T. Legis­ lation based on this report has been e n a c te d in

Queensland and the North­ ern Territory. The other States still have under consideration the question of

legislation based on the re­ port.)

Implemented insofar as it ap­ plied to the census by the C e n s u s a n d S t a t i s t i c s

A m e n d m e n t A c t 1981 which came into operation on 30 June 1981. Legislation to im­ plement other recommen­

dations in the Report (the C en s u s a n d S ta tis tic s A c t

(N o. 2) (1981) came into op­ eration on 1 March 1983.

The C rim e s A m e n d m e n t A c t

1982 gives Judges and Magis­ trates wider powers and greater flexibility when im­ posing sentence on federal

and A.C.T. offenders. The operative sections have not yet been proclaimed. Other proposals are under review

and are the subject of consul­ tation with the States.

Criminal Investigation Bill 1977 introduced into the Senate lapsed in November 1977. Criminal Investigation Bill

1981 introduced into Senate on 18 November 1981 lapsed in March 1983. A re­ view of the Bill has been

completed and it is expected that a revised Bill will be made available for introduc­ tion early in the current sittings.

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Subject

Date referred

Report to Responsible Attorney department Present position

8 . Consumers in Debt 10.5.1976

Stage 1 Insol­

vency; The Regular Payment of Debts 9. Unfair Publication 23.6.1976 (Defamation)

10. Lands Acquisition 7.7.1977

13. Insurance Con- 9.9.1976 tracts

4.11.1976 Attorney-General's

29.12.1978 Attorney-General’s

12.3.1980 Administrative Ser­ vices

24.11.1982 Treasury. Attorney- General’s

Under consideration with a view to enabling a Government decision before the end of the year.

The recommendations in the re­ port were raised in the Standing Committee of Attorneys-General in July

1979 when the Committee agreed to examine the Com­ mission’s proposal with a veiw to achieving uniformity. A model Bill was considered by the Standing Committee on 2 September 1983. It is expected that the model Bill will be made available for public comment during the current sittings.

A report has been prepared by the Working Party and sub­ mitted for consideration by Government. If the Govern­ ment accepts the Working Party’s report there will need to be consultation with the States before legislation can be introduced.

The previous Government rejected the Commission’s report. The report is being reviewed with a view to implementation of the Com­ mission’s recommendations.

The reviewing of relevant laws of the A.C.T. have been under consideration by a number of Government departments and authorities.

Draft legislation has been prepared based upon the ALRC’s recommendations. The Minister for Territories and Local Government has

recently referred the draft legislation, together with comments and suggested amendments from his De­ partment, to the A.C.T.

House of Assembly, which, in turn, referred it to its Standing Committee on Health, Housing and Wel­ fare. A draft Bill is expected to be

introduced during the present sittings.

11. Insurance Agents 9.9.1976 28.7.1980 Treasury and Brokers

12. Child Welfare 18.2.1979 21.10.1981 Territories and Local Government

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FREEDOM OF INFORM ATION AC T 1982

NUMBER OF REQUESTS REPORTED BY AGENCIES (December 1982-June 1983) December: 735 by 87 agencies January: 605 by 77 agencies

February: 709 by 78 agencies March: 772 by 85 agencies April: 640 by 60 agencies May: 1154 by 75 agencies

June: 978 by 80 agencies Total 1982-83: 5593 (average per month—709, full year rate—9588).

The majority of requests reported by agencies (over two-thirds) were directed to client-orientated agencies, for example—

D epartm ent Dec. 82 Jan. 83 Feb. 83 M ar. 83 A pr. 83 M a y 83 June 83 T otal

Social Security . . . . 189 133 173 199 133 184 166 1177

Taxation ......................... 103 104 152 186 153 267 168 1133

Veterans’ Affairs . . . 62 63 82 109 95 358 282 1051

Immigration and Ethnic Affairs ......................... 69 43 73 61 63 77 76 462

Other agencies receiving a significant number of requests include Defence, Aus­ tralian Federal Police, Health, Home Affairs and Environment, Public Service Board and Attorney-General’s.

More detailed statistics will be available in the Attorney-General’s Annual Report on the FOI Act.

Note: The figures are as reported to the Attorney-General’s Department as at 9.8.1983 and may be subject to variation.

FOI BRANCH: TRAINING

Summary of FOI training program organised by Attorney-General’s Department for Commonwealth employees before and after commencement of FOI Act.

1981 In all State capitals, Canberra and Darwin:

• 15 general introductory one-day seminars attended by 739 senior officers represent­ ing all departments and 117 authorities; and • 9 four-day workshops for FOI training officers attended by 440 officers representing all departments and 48 authorities.

1982 In Canberra and all mainland State capitals:

• 26 one-day seminars for officers who would be decision-makers under the Act; and • 10 one-day seminars to familiarise agencies with FOI statistical and report requirements, attended in all by 2361 officers representing all departments and 103 authorities.

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In Canberra:

• 2 half-day conferences of the FOI Practitioners’ Forum, attended by FOI contact officers of all departments and some authorities; and • 2 general introductory half-day seminars for ministerial staff. 1983 To date, in Canberra:

• an introductory half-day seminar for ministerial staff; • a one-day seminar for officers of all branches of the Crown Solicitor’s Office; and • 3 half-day conferences of the FOI Practitioners’ Forum.

A survey of all agencies has been conducted to evaluate the need for, and the nature of, further training. Further training will be required when the Act is amended.

Note: Officers of the Attorney-General’s Department also speak on FOI matters at many seminars and conferences organised by both government agencies and private bodies.

A.A.T. APPLICATIONS: FOI ACT

During the period 1 December 1982—29 August 1983 there had been 105 applications to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, (A.A.T.).

• 19 had been finalised - decisions had been made in 6 of those cases - the remaining 13 were withdrawn • 6 cases had been heard and were reserved • 12 deferred • 2 cases were referred by the A.A.T. for hearing before the Document Review

Tribunal • the remaining cases were part-heard or in preparation for preliminary conference

Comment:

• Recourse to the A.A.T. has not been great—the 105 applications represent less than 2% of requests made under for FOI Act. • The relatively high number of applications withdrawn is partly because agencies con­ ceded some early cases where the ‘prior’ documents ground had been in issue. • Highest number of applications received in A.C.T.—40

Breakdown of FOI applications received from States and Territories

l Dec. 82- l A pr. 83- I J u ly 83­

31 M ar. 83 31 Ju n e 83 29 A ug. 83 Total

A.C.T............................................... 18 8 14 40

N.S.W............................................... 1 7 6 14

Vic.................................................... 6 1 16 23

Qld ............................................ 3 2 1 6

S.A................................................... 0 10 2 12

W.A.................................................. 0 4 4 8

Tas................................................... 0 2 0 2

N.T................................................... 0 0 0 0

Total .................................. 28 34 43 105

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ATTACHMENT A

M atters Commenced in Federal Court o f Australia

(excluding Original Jurisdiction bankruptcy matters) 1 1 indicates number of appeals from all Courts and Tribunals included in matters commenced.

General Division

D istrict R egistry in w hich file d 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982

Jan.-A ug. Projected 1983 1983

N.S.W. . . 1 1 2 '"' 160™ 83™ 135"35' 2 0 1 '“ ' 212'™ 256'™ 402"131

Vic.................... 1 1 7"31 73™ 53" 31 175"31 209'521 2 1 0 13" 154"7 1 242'271

Qld . . . . 1712’ 30"7 1 9<3) 24™ 45' 221 133"“ 6 8 ® 107"3 1

S.A. . . . 1 2 ™ 44'-’ 19™ 25'8 1 63m 42"m 29® 46'“

W.A. . . . 4°' 27°' IT8' 48™ 56'2" 5 1 " ° ' 407 1 63""

Tas. . . . 3'"' 2 "’ 4'-' Iff31 3'-* S'"’ 4< 2) 6 ®

A.C.T. . . . 27™ 2 1 "" 46'431 48““ 50*361 87““ 70122’ I 1033'

N.T. . . . 3Q.30I 16"“ 32'321 391371 3813’1 30l2“ 2 i'201 33™

TOTALS . . 3221 ’8' 373"'" 257"221 504"381 66512181 8301218' 642"341 100924- ’1

Transferred from Australian GENERAL DIVISION

Industrial Court 1 February 1977. 44

ATTACHMENT B

M atters Commenced in Federal Court of Australia (corn.)

1 1 indicates number of appeals from all Courts and Tribunals included in matters commenced

Industrial Division

D istrict R egistry in w hich file d 1 9 7 7 1 9 7 8 1 9 7 9 1 9 8 0 1 9 8 1 1 9 8 2

J a n .- A u g . P r o je c te d

1 9 8 3 1 9 8 3

N.S.W. . . 3T-> 3,(0 4 4 m 2 7" 106"' 46"4 1 26“' 41®

Vic.................... 42'-' 39". 36™ 2 7 .2. 302 1 4 7 3 . 25™ 39™

Qld . . . . 8 1" 1 7'-> 9H 3'-' 1 0 -’ ,3". 9' ' 14'

S.A. . . . 1 2 '" 14". 16'-> 16™ 1712' 1 0 -’ 5„. 8 ™

W.A. . . . 6 '-' 4m 3'-> 913’ 3M 3' " 1 16™ 25™

Tas. . . . 8'-' — 1'-' 2 '-. 3'-‘ 1", — —

A.C.T. . . . 13'-' Γ-. 1*-· 4M 4'-' 5'2' 2 - ' 3" 1

N.T. . . . — — — — — T"' — ■ —

TOTALS . . 1 2 0 "' 96l!l HO181 8 8 ' 81 173'3 1 I262" 83'“ 130"2'

Transferred from Australian Industrial Court I February 1977.

INDUSTRIAL DIVISION

I

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Senator The Hon. Gareth Evans Attorney-General Parliament House Canberra A.C.T. 2600

27 Sept. 1983

Senator The Hon. K. W. Sibraa, Chairman, Senate Estimates Committee E, Room M l63, Parliament House, Canberra, A.C.T. 2600 4

Dear Kerry, I refer to the examination by your Committee of the estimates for the Department of the Special Minister of State on 16 September 1983. It has become evident that I unintentionally gave an inaccurate answer to Senator Durack during the Committee’s examination.

On page 459 of the Senate Hansard of the Estimates Committees D and E for Friday, 16 September 1983, Senator Durack is reported as asking a question concerning the employment of Mr Michael Pickering on my staff. In my answer, I stated that, as I recalled it, Mr Pickering was transferred to the Attorney-General’s Department as a part of the Public Service Interchange Program and was, at my request, attached to my office from the Department.

On further checking, it has become apparant that this answer was not strictly accurate. As I did mention before the Committee, Mr Pickering’s salary is being paid by his law firm whilst he is attached to my staff, while the Commonwealth meets the cost of fares, allowances and other administrative expenses. Mr Pickering continues to be employed by his law firm, but has been seconded directly to my ministerial staff.

Mr Pickering’s employment is similar but not identical to the Interchange Program. The confusion in my recollection arose because I had originally persuaded the Special Minister of State to accept the arrangement on the basis of its similarity to the Inter­ change Program, as well as its cost-effectiveness from the Government’s (and tax­ payers) point of view.

I apologise to you and to the members of your Committee for misleading the Com­ mittee as I did. I have sent a copy of this letter to all members of Committee E.

Yours sincerely,

GARETH EVANS

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1. MEETING: The Committee met in private session at 9.15 a.m. in the Chairman’s office. The Chairman (Senator Sibraa) took the Chair.

2. MEMBERSHIP: The Chairman reported that Senator Watson had replaced Senator MacGibbon as a member of the Committee pursuant to the Resolution of the Senate of 6 September 1983.

3. REFERENCE OF PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE: The Chairman reported the Resolution of the Senate of 25 August 1983 relating to the refer­ ence of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure 1983-84 and expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 for the following departments:

Attorney-General Special Minister of State Foreign Affairs Defence

Defence Support

4. MANNER OF EXAMINING ESTIMATES: The Committee agreed that the es­ timates of departments would be considered in the following order:

Attorney-General Defence Defence Support Foreign Affairs Special Minister of State The estimates of each department to be considered by divisions and subdivisions.

5. BACKGROUND MATERIAL: The Secretary asked members to comment sub­ sequent to the hearing on the background material supplied, with a view to improving the material available at future hearings.

6. HEARINGS: The Committee agreed on the following hearing times: Thursday, 15.9.1983 11.30 a.m.—10.30 p.m. (or later) Friday, 16.9.1983 8.30 a.m.—4.30 p.m. (with a break of approximately 11 hours from 10.30 a.m.)

7. NEXT MEETING: To be advised.

8. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 9.30 a.m.

9. ATTENDANCE: Senators Sibraa, Reynolds, Scott, Tate and Watson.

MICHAEL TATE Acting Chairman

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THURSDAY, 15 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 11.40 a.m. The Acting Chairman (Senator Tate) took the Chair.

2. STATEMENT BY ACTING CHAIRMAN: The Acting Chairman stated that, pursuant to the Resolution of the Senate of 25 August 1983, the Committee would consider—

(a) the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June 1984;

(b) the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in Respect of the Year end­ ing on 30 June 1984; and (c) Departmental Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Year ended 30 June 1983, for departments as follows:

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Document* Page Division No. Department Amount

B 15 165-192 Attorney-General’s

$

208 671 000

C 1 0 818-821 Attorney-General’s 4 618 000

B 94 575-581 Special Minister of State 207 955 000

C 26 953-955 Special Minister of State 12 394 000

B 48 315-319 Foreign Affairs 910031 000

C 15 873-875 Foreign Affairs 1 138 000

B 27 230-243 Defence** 4 273 981 000

B 31 255-257 Defence Support*** 310 333 000

* Document B—‘Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June 1984'. * Document C—‘Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in Respect of the Year ending on 30 June 1984’. ** Excludes items under the control of the Departments of Housing and Construction and Administrative Services (Div­ isions 245, 246, 248,250 and 252).

*** Excludes items under the control of the Departments of Housing and Construction and Administrative Services (items 258,259,260 and 261).

Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83

Page in Document D*

Division No. Department A m ount

6 165-188 Attorney-General’s

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423 246

12 130-140 Special Minister of State 189 937

16 813 Special Minister of State II 761

9 315-316 Foreign Affairs 1 096 670

7 230-263 Defence 24 960 854

8 263-264 Defence Support 1 293947

* Document D ‘Advance to the Minister for Finance—Statement of Heads of Expenditure and the amounts charged thereto, pursuant to section 36a of the Audit Act 1901, for the year ended 30 June 1983’.

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3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983 8 4 - DEPARTMENT OF ATTORNEY-GENERAL.

Appearing: Senator the Honourable Gareth Evans, Attorney-General, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr L. G. Glare, Deputy Secretary Mr L. J. Curtis, Deputy Secretary Mr A. C. C. Menzies, Acting Deputy Secretary Mr T. A. Sherman, Acting Crown Solicitor

Mr P. Kennedy, First Assistant Secretary, Business Affairs Division Mr E. J. Wright, First Assistant Secretary, Legislative Drafting Division Mr J. H. Greenwell, First Assistant Secretary, Courts, Family Law and Territories Division

Mr P. Loof, First Assistant Secretary, Justice Division Mr J. L. M. Carnsew, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Management Mr E. M. Haddrick, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Administrative Law Division Mr R. Davey, First Assistant Crown Solicitor, Crown Solicitor’s Division

Mr R. Morgan, Senior Assistant Secretary, Administrative Law Division Mr C. B. S. Fernando, Senior Assistant Secretary, Family Law Branch Mr R. G. Moss, Assistant Director, Australian Legal Aid Division Mr P. E. Baskett, Assistant Secretary, Operations Branch

Mr R. Smeaton, Assistant Secretary, Establishments and Planning Branch Mr P. Wenn, Inspector General in Bankruptcy, Bankruptcy Branch Mr A. G reen, Chief Reporter, Commonwealth Reporting Service Mr T. Heming, Acting Assistant Secretary, ADP Branch

Mr R. Thomas, Acting Director, Marriage and Grants Section Miss P. Campbell, Principal Legal Officer, Commonwealth Legal Aid Council Secretariat Mr B. Knox, Principal Registrar, Family Court of Australia

Mr J. Howard, Registrar, Federal Court of Australia Mr P. Massie, Registrar, Administrative Appeals Tribunal Mr G. M. Wheeler, Director, Legal Aid Commission (A.C.T.) Mr J. F. Thomson, Secretary, Human Rights Commission

Mr D. Keene, Institute of Family Studies Mr R. Schoer, Executive Director, National Companies and Securities Commission Mr G. Shannon, Clerk, High Court of Australia Mr W. J. Coad, Commissioner, Trade Practices Commission

Mr R. B. Wyatt, Assistant Commissioner, Policy Planning and Secretariat Branch Mr G. Koits, First Parliamentary Counsel Mr R. Venables, Director, Finance

Department o f Finance Ms G. R. Pollard, Acting Senior Finance Officer Mr R. G. Humphry, First Assistant Secretary Mr D. K. Wallace, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations

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The Acting Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

$

Divisions 165, 170, 175, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 184, 185, 186, 189, 190,191,192—Attorney-General’s Department (Document B) 208 671 000 Divisions 818, 819, 821—Attorney-General’s Department (Docu­ ment C) ......................................................................................... 4 618 000

Divisions 165, 178, 188—Attorney-General’s Departm ent— expenditure (Document D) ...................................................... 423 246

Papers tabled: The following papers were tabled during the consideration of the esti­ mates of the Attorney-General’s Department:

(i) The Law Reform Commission—Current References; (ii) The Law Reform Commission—References on which the Commission has reported; (iii) Freedom o f Information Act 1982—number of requests by Agencies; (iv) Freedom of Information Branch—Training;

(v) Administrative Appeals Tribunal—number of applications by States and Ter­ ritories; and (vi) Matters commenced in Federal Court of Australia.

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the Attorney-General’s Department, subject to undertakings by the Minister to provide ad­ ditional information.

4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84— DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE.

Appearing: Senator the Honourable Gareth Evans, Attorney-General, representing the Minister for Defence, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr A. K. Wrigley, Deputy Secretary B Mr G. P. Anderson, Assistant Secretary, Defence Facilities Program Management Air Commodore R. W. Bradford, Director General, Operational Requirements Branch—Air Force

Rear Admiral R. R. Calder, Chief of Naval Technical Services Mr C. D. Campbell, Assistant Secretary, Supply Policy Mr R. W. Corey, Assistant Secretary, Resource Planning—Army Captain R. K. Ellis, Assistant Director, National Disaster Organisation Policy and

Support Mr R. H. Englund, Assistant Secretary, Manpower Policy and Requirements Mr P. A. Hemsley, Assistant Secretary, Science and Technology Administration Air Vice Marshall A. E. Heggen, Chief of Air Force Materiel Mr T. K. Hickman, First Assistant Secretary, Industrial Mr W. Howitt, Acting Deputy Chief Defence Scientist Brigadier C. M. Kahn, Director General, Recruiting Mr D. M. McAlister, First Assistant Secretary, Programmes and Budgets Mr L. A. McGee, Assistant Secretary, Quality Assurance and Engineering

Resources Mr J. E. McMahon, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning—Navy Mr G. R. Marshall, Senior Assistant Secretary, International Policy Mr M. J. Murray, Assistant Secretary, Resources Planning—Air Force Mr J. S. O’Neill, Assistant Secretary, Budgets and Estimates (General and

Co-ordination)

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Rear Admiral I. H. Richards, Chief of Joint Operations and Plans Rear Admiral W. Rourke, Chief of Naval Materiel Air Vice Marshal E. H. Stephensen, Chairman, Services Health Policy Committee Brigadier B. Wade, Director General, Operations and Plans—Army

Mr M. Welsh, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Defence Industry and Materiel Policy Department o f Finance Ms G. R. Pollard, Acting Senior Finance Officer

Mr R. G. Humphry, First Assistant Secretary The Acting Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

$

Divisions 230, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236 237, 240, 242, 2 4 3 -Department of Defence ........................................................... 4 273 981 000

Divisions 245, 246, 248—Under control of the Department of Housing and C o n s tr u c tio n ...................................................... 233 754 000

Divisions 250, 252—Under control of the Department of Ad­ ministrative Services (Document B ) ....................................... 78 200 000

4 585 935 000

Division 230—Department of Defence—Expenditure . . . 24 960 854 The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the Department of Defence, subject to undertakings by the Minister to provide additional information.

5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983 8 4 - DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE SUPPORT.

Appearing: Senator the Honourable Gareth Evans, Attorney-General, representing the Minister for Defence Support, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr P. G. Gifford, Acting Deputy Secretary, Materiel & Resources Mr K. T. Lyon, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Resources Division Mr A. A. Lister, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Personnel & Management Co­ ordination Division

Mr V. R. Coleman, Acting Controller, Defence Aerospace Division Mr L. M. Targ, Acting Principal Executive Officer, Defence Aerospace Division Mr L. J. Wrigley, Acting First Assistant Controller, Munitions Division Mr A. P. Toohey, Principal Executive Officer, Munitions Division

Mr B. Owen, Acting Assistant Secretary, Industry Strategy Branch Mr R. W. Howard, Acting Assistant Secretary, Contracts Administration Branch Mr R. J. Riley, Acting Assistant Secretary, Major Contracts Branch Mr D. Bruce, Assistant Controller, Defence Shipbuilding Division

Mr D. Hawke, Acting Assistant Secretary, Administration (Shipbuilding) Branch Mr T. Munyard, Acting Assistant Secretary, Facilities & Working Environment Branch Mr R. Wall, Acting Assistant Secretary, Manpower & Organisation Planning

Branch Mr D. J. Phillips, Acting Director, Manpower Planning Mr L. C. R. Thompson, Assistant Secretary, Personnel & Administration Branch Mr I. R. Angus, Acting Assistant Secretary, Marketing Branch

Mr K. J. Fredericks, Acting Assistant Secretary, Computing & Systems Branch

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Mr J. M. Pearson, Acting Assistant Secretary, Budgets, Accounting and Supply Branch Mr J. W. Bollard, Director, Budgets & Estimates Mr J. N. Grant, Acting Finance Officer, Budgets & Estimates Mr R. J. Wood, Accountant, Personnel & Administration Branch Department o f Finance

Ms G. R. Pollard, Acting Senior Finance Officer Mr R. G. Humphry, First Assistant Secretary Mr D. K. Wallace, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations The Acting Chairman called the following Divisions for consideration:

$

Divisions 255,256,257—Department of Defence Support . . . 312 066 000 Divisions 258, 259—Under control of Department of Housing and Construction ............................................ ........................................... 73 154 000

Divisions 260, 261—Under control of Department of Administrative S e r v i c e s .................................................................................................. 1733 000

Divisions 263,264—Department of Defence Support—Expenditure 1 293 947 The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the Department of Defence Support, subject to undertakings by the Minister to provide additional information.

6. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 11.12 p.m.

7. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present:

Senator Tate (Acting Chairman) and Senators Durack, Reynolds, Scott and Watson.

8. APOLOGY: Senator Sibraa.

MICHAEL TATE Acting Chairman

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THE SENATE

FRIDAY, 16 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met at 8.30 a.m. The Acting Chairman (Senator Tate) took the Chair.

2. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84— DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS.

Appearing: Senator the Honourable Gareth Evans, Attorney-General, representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs, accompanied by the following officers:

Mr A. R. Parsons, Acting Secretary Mr R. J. Smith, First Assistant Secretary, Management and Foreign Services Division Mr J. H. Brook, First Assistant Secretary, Legal and Consular

Mr J. R. Kelso, Special Disarmament Adviser, Executive, Policy Planning and De­ fence Branch Mr D. Townsend, Senior Adviser, Nuclear Policy Branch Mr B. D. B. Smith, Assistant Secretary, Personnel Services Branch Mr T. B. McCarthy, Assistant Secretary, Consular and Passports Branch Mr J. L. Lavett, Assistant Secretary, OECD, EC, Energy Branch Dr J. V. Chey, Assistant Secretary, Australia-China Council

Mr R. K. Johnson, Executive Officer, Australia-China Council Mr M. Loveday, Assistant Secretary, Information and Cultural Relations Branch Mr E. Hincksman, Head, Cultural Exchanges Section Mr J. Powys, Head, Information and Publications Section

Mr P. A. Fitzgerald, Acting Assistant Secretary, Administrative Services Branch Mr E. S. Radclyffe, Director, Information and General Systems Section Mr J. Lovegrove, Director, Technical Section Mr B. Wilson, Director, Communications/Registry Section

Mr J. B. Campbell, Acting Assistant Secretary, Economic Organisations Branch Mr C. L. Lamb, Acting Assistant Secretary, General, Legal and Immigration Branch Mr I. S. Lincoln, Deputy Chief of Protocol, Protocol Section

Dr M. A. Leader, Head, UN Social and Technical Section Mr J. Acton, UN Social and Technical Section Mr R. Spurr, Head, Commercial and General Section Mr S. Forster, Executive Officer, New Zealand Section

Mr J. A. Gleeson, Director, Resources, Planning and Liaison Section Mr R. C. G. Martin, Director, Finance Section—ADAB Mr Fitzpatrick, Director, Finance Section Mr J. Polack, Budget Officer, Finance Section

Australian Development Assistance Bureau Dr R. Dun, Director, Australian Development Assistance Bureau

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Mr C. E. T. Terrell, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Policy, Training and Or­ ganisations Division Miss R. McGovern, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Bilateral Programs Division Mr J. M. Powell, Assistant Secretary, Program Planning and Review Branch Mr B. Bray, Acting Assistant Secretary, Operations Support Branch Mr J. Wolfe, Assistant Secretary, Development Training Branch Mr G. Lawless, Assistant Secretary, Policy, Developing and Co-ordination

Branch Mr R. Casson, Assistant Secretary, Multilateral and Non-Government Programs Branch Mr D. Campbell, Assistant Secretary, Pacific, Asia, Africa Programs Branch Mr K. Aspinall, Acting Assistant Secretary, South East Asia Programs Branch Mr I. D. Burston, Acting Head, Strategic Planning Section Mr R. Shackley, Acting Head, Food Aid Unit Mr W. Newton, Acting Section Head, Policy Development Section Mr M. Latham, Acting Section Head, South East Asia Programs— 1 Ms R. Scott-Charlton, Budgets Officer, Strategic Planning Section Department o f Finance

Mr R. G. Humphry, First Assistant Secretary Mr D. K. Wallace, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Ms Allison McGlynn, Chief Finance Officer The Acting Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

$

Divisions 315, 316, 317, 318, 319—Department of Foreign Affairs (D o c u m e n tB ).............................................................................. 910031000

Divisions 873,875—Department of Foreign Affairs (Document C) 1 138 000 Divisions 315, 316—Department of Foreign Affairs—expenditure (Document D) ......................................................................... 1 096 670

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the De­ partment of Foreign Affairs, subject to undertakings by the Minister to provide ad­ ditional information.

3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84- DEPARTMENT OF THE SPECIAL MINISTER OF STATE.

Appearing: Senator the Honourable Gareth Evans, Attorney-General, representing the Special Minister of State, accompanied by the following officers:

Executive Mr J. R. Holdich, Deputy Secretary Parliamentary and General Division Miss P. Lance, MBE, Assistant Secretary, Parliamentary and Ministerial Ser­

vices Branch Mr J. Malone, Assistant Secretary, Information Co-ordination Branch Mr H. Keen, Assistant Secretary, Honours Secretariat Mr J. Gavin, Assistant Secretary, Electoral, Grants and Authorities Branch Mr J. Simons, Principal Executive Officer, Electoral, Grants and Authorities

Branch

Protective Services Co-ordination Centre Mr T. Mooney, OBE, Assistant Secretary, Counter-Terrorism Branch

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Public Order and Police Affairs Division Mr D. Lenihan, First Assistant Secretary Mr W. McCann, Assistant Secretary Ms B. Irvin, Finance Officer

Mr B. Separovic, Assistant Secretary, ADP Branch Mr V. Anderson, Assistant Commissioner, Australian Bureau of Criminal Intelligence Dr G. McGrath, Director, National Police Research Unit Mr D. Hailes, Executive Officer, National Police Research Unit Resource Management Branch

Ms M. Bennett, Assistant Secretary Mr B. Kenyon, Director, Finance Australian Electoral Office Mr D. Reynolds, Director, Management Services Branch

Mr B. Traynor, Director, National Elections and Referendums Section Mr J. Mcllraith, Acting Director, Information and Electoral Education Section Mr M. Maley, Principal Research Officer, Research Section Mr R. Hogden, Assistant Director, ADP Development Section Mr E. Klatt, Assistant Director, Finance and General Services Section Australian Federal Police

Mr A. J. Watt, Assistant Commissioner Mr J. Ireland, Acting Chief Executive Officer Department o f Finance Mr R. G. Humphry, First Assistant Secretary

Mr D. K. Wallace, Assistant Secretary, Accounting Operations Ms Allison McGlynn, Chief Finance Officer The Acting Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

$

Divisions 575, 576, 577, 578, 579, 580, 581—Department of the Special Minister of State (Document B) .................................. 207 955 000

Divisions 953, 955—Department of the Special Minister of State (Document C) .......................................................................... 12 394 000

Divisions 130,139, 140, 813—Department of the Special Minister of State—expenditure ..................................................................... 201 698

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Proposed Expenditure for the De­ partment of the Special Minister of State, subject to undertakings by the Minister to provide additional information.

3. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 3.00 p.m.

4. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present:

Senator Tate (Acting Chairman) and Senators Durack, Reynolds, Scott and Watson.

5. A POLOGY: Senator Sibraa.

MICHAEL TATE Acting Chairman

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WEDNESDAY, 5 OCTOBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 12.45 p.m. The Acting Chairman (Senator Tate) took the Chair.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: The minutes of the meetings held on 8, 15 and 16 September 1983 were confirmed.

3. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE: The Committee considered the Chairman’s draft Report to the Senate.

Resolved'. That the draft Report be agreed to.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 12.50 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senators Tate, Durack and Reynolds.

6. APOLOGIES: Apologies were received from Senators Sibraa, Scott and Watson.

5 October 1983

MICHAEL TATE Acting Chairman

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REPORT TO THE SENATE

Estimates Committee F has the honour to present its Report to the Senate.

!. On 25 August 1983 the Senate referred to the Committee for examination and report the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June 1984, the Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in Respect of the Year ending on 30 June 1984 and Advance to the Minister for Finance—Statement of Heads of Expenditure and the amounts changed thereto, pursuant to section 36A of the Audit Act 1901, for the Year ended 30 June 1983—relating to the following departments:

Administrative Services Territories and Local Government Aviation Veterans’ Affairs

Transport

2. The Committee has considered the estimates and the expenditure under the Ad­ vance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83, together with the Departmental Ex­ planatory notes, and has received explanations from the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs (Senator Gietzelt) and officers of the departments concerned. Copies of the Minutes of Proceedings and Hansard reports of the evidence taken by the Committee are tabled

for the information of the Senate in connection with Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1983-84 and Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 1983-84. Further written explanations fur­ nished by departments will be presented separately and printed in the Hansard record.

3. The Committee draws the attention of the Senate to the following:

620.3.06 Delays at ACT Motor Registries The Committee expresses its concern at the delays at the Canberra vehicle testing stations, often of several hours, faced by the residents of the Australian Capital Terri­ tory who are required to submit their vehicles for inspection prior to the annual renewal

of each vehicle’s registration. Long queues appear to be common not only for the ve­ hicle testing itself, but also at the registry counter. Despite the explanation offered by the Department of Territories and Local Government—that this is a temporary situa­ tion caused by exceptional circumstances—the Committee is of the opinion that extra

resources must be committed to the registries and their procedures streamlined to over­ come these unwarranted delays.

624.1.01 Christmas Island—Salaries and Allowances This item provides salaries and allowances for the resident administration of the Terri­ tory of Christmas Island. The administration appears to the Committee to be overstaf­ fed. The majority of staff are Canberra-based and receive tax-free salaries. All removal expenses, including the shipment of motor vehicles, are met by the administration. For a total population of 3 300 on the Island, the administration numbers 155, excluding the

Administrator and the staff of Government House.

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The Committee refers particularly to the number of teachers and police on the Island. Approximately 650 children attend the Island’s school which is staffed by 62 teachers drawn from the A.C.T. Schools Authority. This represents a teacher-pupil ratio of better than 1:11. Although the majority of the population is of Malay or Chinese origin, instruction is predominantly in English and based on an Australian- oriented curriculum.

The police force of 16 officers also appears generously staffed. The Christmas Island Annual Report 1980-81 shows the crime rate for the Island to be low: figures for that year show that, for other than traffic offences, only 12 charges were laid and these mostly for minor offences.

The Committee understands the Government is considering all aspects of the Island’s administration as part of its response to the report of Mr W. W. Sweetland on the long-term future of Christmas Island. It is to be hoped that in the Government’s re­ sponse due regard will be had for the size and composition of the administrative staff on the Island.

690.2.05 Departmental use of Consultants The Committee was advised by the Department of Veterans’ Affairs that the services of consultants would be used for the design and implementation of data processing sys­ tems. Whilst believing in all cases that the most suitably qualified people should be employed to perform these tasks, the Committee considers that departments, in ascer­ taining the availability of expertise in the particular area, should take cognisance of the qualifications of people already employed in the public service.

690.2.09 Incidental Expenditure During the hearings the Committee questioned the Department of Veterans’ Affairs about the practice of including together significant items of Proposed Expenditure under this and similar headings, viz. 690.2.09 Incidental expenditure $1,067m; 691.1.12 Incidental and other expenditure $ 1.372m; and 692.0.09 Miscellaneous $2.379m. The Proposed Expenditure in each item relates to a number of disparate purposes. For example, 692.0.09 seeks the provision of funds for ‘expenditure on medical rehabili­ tation, education grants to children under 12 years and miscellaneous benefits’.

Whilst the Explanatory Notes describe the disbursement between these various el­ ements, financial regulations do not require the Department to adhere to the disburse­ ment as described. It would seem more appropriate for some elements of Proposed Expenditure to be included in other existing line items which have similar purposes, whilst others may require new line items.

The Committee was advised of a general trend toward the reduction of the number of line items in the estimates. Such a trend may have merit in terms of administrative efficiency and flexibility in the expenditure of appropriated funds. It does, however, work against the principle of effective accountability for public expenditure and as such must be resisted.

Minister for Finance—Special Funds The Committee questioned both the Departments of Veterans’ Affairs and Adminis­ trative Services about the likelihood of their drawing on funds proposed for appropri­ ation under Division 312—special funds for expenditure in relation to Government programs at the Direction of the Minister for Finance. This item provides for expendi­ ture of $53m and is additional to amounts of $150m and $120m provided respectively under Divisions 310-868—Advance to the Minister for Finance.

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The Committee was concerned that this new Division had been added to the esti­ mates with scant explanation in the Explanatory Notes. The Committee has received a detailed explanation of the purposes of Division 312 from the Minister for Finance. For the information of the Senate, this is attached as Appendix A to this report.

4. The Committee records its appreciation of the assistance of the Minister and the officers of the departments concerned.

5 October 1983

GEORGE GEORGES Chairman

APPENDIX A

MINISTER FOR FINANCE PARLIAMENT HOUSE CANBERRA, A.C.T. 2600 20 September 1983

Senator G. Georges Chairman Senate Estimates Committee F Parliament House CANBERRA A.C.T. 26001 Dear Senator Georges In the light of interest shown by Estimates Committees in Division 312—Special Funds for Expenditure in Relation to Government Programs at the Direction of the Minister for Finance—I am enclosing a copy of a paper I provided to Senator Primmer as Chair­ man of the Committee responsible for examining the estimates falling within my port­

folio. The paper sets out background information on that Division and you may wish to circulate it to members of your Committee.

I should add that the Chairman of the Public Service Board wrote in August to the heads of departments and relevant authorities advising them of the average staffing levels approved by the Government for 1983-84 and indicating that, where new or expanded responsibilities cannot be managed within the approved levels, their Minis­ ters should write to me. Ministers’ submissions will form the basis of my consideration as to how moneys provided under Division 312 should be allocated.

Yours sincerely J.S. Dawkins

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APPROPRIATION BILL (No. 1) 1983-84 DIVISION 312—SPECIAL FUNDS FOR EXPENDITURE IN RELATION TO GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS AT THE DIRECTION OF THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE

INTRODUCTION This note provides information on the above-mentioned matter additional to that in the Explanatory Notes provided by the Department of Finance.

BACKGROUND 2. Although staffing and associated administrative requirements involve financial re­ sources, the budgeting for staffing matters has previously not been fully integrated into the general budgetary process. As a result additional staffing required for the im­

plementation of new programs approved late in the budget context has often been funded either from the Advance to the Minister for Finance or from Annual Appropri­ ation Acts passed after additional estimates processes. This practice was adopted as no or little information on staffing requirements was available to be reflected in funding

provisions of the budget.

3. The Government considers that this practice can adversely affect the integrity of the budget estimates and does not allow administrative requirements of proposed programs to be adequately considered at the time the proposed programs are them­ selves considered. The Government has thus determined that staffing requirements

(human resources budgeting) should be fully integrated into the general budgetary system.

DEVELOPMENT OF DIVISION 312 4. While further examination is required on the means to integrate staffing and finan­ cial budgeting, the Government made initial progress towards this integration in the 1983-84 Budget.

5. In a number of instances, administrative resources associated with new programs or extensions to existing programs were specifically considered and resolved by the Government. Relevant provisions have, in these cases, been made under the depart­

ment charged with the administration of those programs.

6. In other instances where prior practice had precluded earlier consideration and where there was insufficient time for the Government to finalise consideration of indi­ vidual requests, the Government determined a global amount which was judged as being sufficient to meet department’s genuine requirements to administer new

programs or extensions to existing programs and which was consistent with the Govern­ ment’s fiscal policies. 7. As a global amount had been determined for these purposes prior to finalisation of the draft Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 1983-84, the Government considered it was not

appropriate to rely on use of the Advance to the Minister for Finance for this purpose. At the same time the allocation of that amount (both as between departments and be­ tween divisions and subdivisions within departments’ provisions) had not been finalised. The Government thus decided to seek a global appropriation which could

meet departments’ staffing and associated administrative expenses. 8. For purposes of Parliamentary control and disclosure, the Government considered that the global provision should be subject to specific conditions which would allow Parliament to be informed fully of the eventual disposition of the provision. Those conditions—as expressed within Division 312—are designed to meet those aims.

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9. The allocation of the $53 million provision will be finally determined in the light of Ministers’ requests to the Minister for Finance and Minister Assisting the Prime Minis­ ter for Public Service matters. Regard will be given to the nature of approved programs, the ability of departments to meet the staffing and associated requirements from within existing resources and to timing factors such as departments’ ability to recruit, accom­ modate and bring to productive level additional staff sought for 1983-84.

10. Most of the $53 million will be required for the staffing and related costs—salaries, office rental etc.—of departments administering new and expanded programs as an­ nounced in the Budget. A significant part will be required by the Departments of Social Security, Veterans’ Affairs and Administrative Services for the pensions assets test an­ nounced in the Budget Speech; details of the amounts are to be finalised after proposed consultations on the scope and features of the asset test. The actual allocation between departments and purposes will have regard to experience in administering the previous test and the capacity of the relevant departments to gear up to the introduction of an assets test, in respect of other programs, consideration will be given to Ministers' re­ quests and these will be determined within the overall limit of the funds available and allocated to the departments concerned.

OTHER RELEVANT FACTORS 11. The provision in Division 312 relates only to Public Service staff employed by de­ partments, together with normal departmental running costs associated with those staff, and is therefore included in the Appropriation Bill (No. 1) in line with normal practice; program expenditures in relation to new initiatives have been included in the Appropriation Bill (No. 2).

12. The amount provided in Division 312 represents less than 1 per cent of the total 1983-84 provisions for salaries and payments in the nature of salary and administrative expenses (see ‘Estimates of Receipts and Summary of Estimated Expenditure’, 1983-84 Budget Paper No. 5, Table 6, page 31).

SUMMARY 13. The main factors giving rise to the need for this provision were:

• transition from disparate treatment of staff ceiling issues to integration in the budget­ ary processes of human resources budgeting; • development of new programs for which a global amount for salaries and related costs had been determined; • inability in the available time to allocate that global amount to departments and to

specific appropriation items within (provisions for) departments; • reluctance to utilise the Advance to the Minister for Finance and desire to disclose fully to Parliament in the budget context the costs of administering new programs ap­ proved in the budget context.

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Estimates Committee F

Minutes of Proceedings

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

No. 1

THURSDAY, 15 SEPTEMBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met in public session at 11.40 a.m. in Senate Com­ mittee Room 1. The Chairman (Senator Georges) took the Chair.

2. PROCEDURE OF THE COMMITTEE: The Chairman made a statement relating to the procedure which would be adopted by the Committee in its examination of Par­ ticulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June 1984— Document B; Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in Respect of the Year end­

ing on 30 June 1984—Document C; and Advance to the Minister for

Finance—Statement of Heads of Expenditure and the amounts charged thereto, pursu­ ant to section 36a of the Audit Act 1901, for the year ended 30 June 1983—Document D for the departments as indicated:

Division

Document* Page No. Department Amount

B 118 690-693 Veterans’Affairs

$

707 504 000

C 30 984-987 Veterans’Affairs 56 566 000

B 111 664-668 T ransport 183 810 000

C 28 972-973 Transport 14 655 000

B 21 193-194 Aviation 430 812 000

C 11 830 Aviation 34 280 000

B 12 130-132 Administrative Services 363 091 000

B 30 250 Rent (Defence) 56 200 000

B 30 252 Acquisition of Sites and Buildings (Defence) 22 000 000

B 34 260 Rent (Defence Support) 1 423 000

B 34 261 Acquisition of Sites and Buildings (Defence

Support) 310 000

C 9 811 Administrative Services 46 620 000

B 103 620-628 Territories and Local Government 141 997 000

C 26 959-961 Territories and Local Government 225 380 COO

* Document B—‘Particulars of Proposed Expenditure for the Service of the Year ending on 30 June 1984’. * Document C—‘Particulars of Certain Proposed Expenditure in Respect of the Year ending on 30 June 1984’.

Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83

Page in Division

Document D* No. Department A m o u n t

$

14 692 Veterans’ Affairs 1 367 668

14 664 T ransport 315 620

6 193 Aviation 787 524

5 130-161 Administrative Services 12 175 948

15 813 Administrative Services 64 036

13 210-335 Territories and Local Government 925 862

* Document D - ‘Advance to the Minister for Finance- Statement of Heads of Expenditure and the amounts charged thereto, pursuant to section 36a of the Audit Act 1901, for the year ended 30 June 1983'.

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3. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPEN­ DITU RE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE M INISTER FOR FINANCE 1982-83 FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. A. T. Gietzelt, Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, represent­ ing the Minister for Administrative Services, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Administrative Services Mr A. R. Palmer, Deputy Secretary Mr E. L. Knaus, 4 Acting First Assistant Secretary, Management Services Division Mr M. Wood, Acting Assistant Secretary, Finance Branch, Management Ser­

vices Division Mr G. A. Hannink, Director, Estimates and Expenditure Control Section, Finance Branch, Management Services Division Mr A. A. Hillier, Acting Director of Property, Property Directorate Mr J. R. Clark, Senior Assistant Secretary, Overseas Property Office, Property

Directorate Mr C. A. Fuller, Deputy Surveyor-General, Australian Survey Office Mr B. E. Hinchcliffe, First Assistant Secretary, Transport and Storage Division Mr J. Lleonart, First Assistant Secretary, Information Services Division Mr D. Drew, Acting Director, Policy and Projects Section, Australian Govern­

ment Publishing Service, Information Services Division Mr G. A. Low, First Assistant Secretary, Purchasing Division Mr G. F. Drew, Acting Senior Assistant Secretary, Secretariat and Policy Division Mr S. Perry, Director, Commonwealth Accommodation and Catering Services

Section, Policy and Executive Projects Branch, Secretariat and Policy Division

Department o f Finance Ms A. McGlynn, Chief Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division Mr J. F. Nichols, Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Particulars o f Proposed Expenditure 1983-84 Division 130-132—Administrative Services Division 250—Rent (Defence) Division 252—Acquisition of Sites and Buildings (Defence) Division 260—Rent (Defence Support) (Document B) Division 811—Administrative Services (Document C)

Advance to the Minister for Finance 1982-83 Division 130-161—Administrative Services Division 813—Administrative Services (Document D)

The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Department of Administrative Services.

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4. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPEN­ D ITU R E UNDER TH E ADVANCE TO THE M INISTER FOR FINANCE 1982-83 FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF TERRITORIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT. Appearing: Senator the Hon. A. T. Gietzelt, Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, represent­ ing the Minister for Territories and Local Government, accompanied by the following

officers:

Department o f Territories and Local Government Mr R. J. O’Connell, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Management Services Division Mr C. S. Hamilton, Acting Assistant Secretary, Finance and Supply Branch Mr A. R. Hedley, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Policy and Program

Co-ordination Mr R. G. Gallagher, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Lands Division Mr B. H. Pratt, Director, Conservation and Agriculture Branch Mr M. Lieneman, Acting Assistant Secretary, Rates Branch

Mr B. C. Rope, Assistant Secretary, Housing Branch Mr J. Hall, Assistant Secretary, Welfare Branch Mr J. Lowe, Acting Assistant Secretary, Community Relations and Facilities Branch

Mr D. Barron, City Librarian, Canberra Public Library Service Ms L. M. Webb, Assistant Secretary, Establishments Branch Mr R. A. L. Bradford, Acting Assistant Secretary, Policy Co-ordination Branch Mr R. Calvert, Assistant Secretary, Indian Ocean Territories Branch

Mr F. J. L. Brice, Assistant Secretary, Northern Territory and Norfolk Island Branch Mr V. Mawhinney, Director, Christmas Island Section Mr B. J. Lenihan, Acting Director, Programs and Budgets

Mr E. H. McGrath, First Assistant Secretary, Transport and Technical Services Division Mr D. I. Taylor, Assistant Secretary, Traffic and Transport Branch Mr V. F. Martisius, Assistant Secretary, Technical Services Branch Mr J. S. Brigg, Assistant Secretary, Public Transit Branch National Capital Development Commission

Mr B. M. Browning, Secretary and Manager Mr A. Phillips, Assistant Secretary, Program Management Parliament House Construction Authority Mr J. L. Maher, Assistant Secretary, Management

Department o f Finance Mr J. F. Nicholas, Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Particulars o f Proposed Expenditure 1983-84 Division 620-628—Territories and Local Government (Document B) Division 959-961—Territories and Local Government (Document C) Advance to the Minister fo r Finance 1982-83

Division 210-335—Territories and Local Government (Document D) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Department of Territories and Local Government.

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5. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPEN­ DITU RE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR FINANCE 1982-83 FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION. Appearing. Senator the Hon. A. T. Gietzelt, Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, represent­ ing the Minister for Aviation, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Aviation Mr E. P. R. Bowen, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Resources Division Ms C. Goode, Assistant Secretary, Manpower Branch, Resources Division Mr T. M. Grant, Acting Assistant Secretary, Systems Development and ADP

Branch, Resources Division Mr A. V. Landrigan, Acting Assistant Secretary, Finance Branch, Resources Division Mr G. J. Harper, Finance Officer, Finance Branch, Resources Division Mr E. E. Kiel, First Assistant Secretary, Management Services Mr M. D. Dunn, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Flight Standards Division Mr B. G. Dockrill, Assistant Secretary, Economic Policy and Investment Plan­

ning Branch, Domestic Policy Division Mr Η. B. O’Keeffe, First Assistant Secretary, Airways Division Mr F. J. Adams, Assistant Secretary, Air Traffic Services Branch, Airways Division Mr J. W. Spencer, First Assistant Secretary, Airports Division Mr R. Turner, Acting Assistant Secretary, Airports Systems Branch, Airports

Division Mr T. F. Hopkinson, Assistant Secretary, Airport Management Branch, Air­ ports Division Mr G. T. O’Halloran, Director, Airports Program and Resources Section, Air­

ports Division Mr N. F. Wicks, Director, Information and Executive Projects Division Mr B. T. Voce, Director, Public Relations Branch, Information and Executive

Projects Division Mr N. A. Potter, Acting Assistant Secretary, Economic Investigations Branch, International Policy Division Mr P. E. Choquenot, Director, Bureau of Air Safety Investigation Mr P. J. Scott, Secretary, Independent Air Fares Committee

Department o f Finance Mr J. F. Nichols, Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Particulars o f Proposed Expenditure 1983-84 Division 193-194—Aviation (Document B) Division 830—Aviation (Document C) Advance to the Minister fo r Finance 1982-83

Division 193—Aviation (Document D) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Department oi Aviation.

6. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPEN­ DITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE MINISTER FOR

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FINANCE 1982-83 FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS’ AFFAIRS.

Appearing: Senator the Hon. A. T. Gietzelt, Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, ac­ companied by the following officers:

Department o f Veterans’ Affairs Mr D. Volker, Secretary Mr I. D. Emerton, First Assistant Secretary, Management Services Division Mr J. Cosgrove, Assistant Secretary Finance, Management Services Division

Mr P. Rake, Director Finance Operations, Management Services Division Dr Μ. M. Kehoe, Chief Director Medical Services, Medical Services Division Mr N. T. Trabinger, First Assistant Secretary, Treatment Services Division Dr G. Brooks, Acting Assistant Secretary, Community Health Treatment Ser­

vices Division Mr T. Healey, Assistant Secretary Departmental Health, Treatment Services Division Mr E. D. Letts, First Assistant Secretary, Benefits and Special Projects Division

Mr B. H. Manning, Assistant Secretary Special Projects Branch, Benefits and Special Projects Division Mr R. J. Hill, Assistant Secretary Benefits, Benefits and Special Projects Division

Mr A. Ashford, Acting First Assistant Secretary Legal, Legal Services Division Mr E. Attridge, Assistant Secretary Legal, Legal Services Division Ms M. Perrett, Acting Assistant Secretary Appeals, Legal Services Division Mr G. E. Fitzgerald, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Systems Division Mr J. Muir, First Assistant Secretary, Income/Assets Task Force Mr K. Erwood, Project Leader Policy/Client Relations, Income/Assets Task

Force Mr J. O’Connor, Project Leader Resource Management, Income/Assets Task Force Mr A. J. Selleck, General Manager, Defence Service Homes Division

Mr R. Taylor, Acting Director Finance Management, Defence Service Homes Division Mr L. Barnard, Director, Office of Australian War Graves Mr L. Power, Administrator Vietnam Veterans Counselling Service

Department o f Finance Mr J. F. Nichols, Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division

The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Particulars o f Proposed Expenditure 1983-84 Division 690-693—Veterans’ Affairs (Document B) Division 984-987—Veterans’ Affairs (Document C)

Advance to the Minister for Finance I 982-83 Division 692—Veterans’ Affairs (Document D) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Department of Veterans’ Affairs.

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7. PARTICULARS OF PROPOSED EXPENDITURE 1983-84 AND EXPEN­ DITURE UNDER THE ADVANCE TO THE M INISTER FOR FINANCE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT. Appearing: Senator the Hon. A. T. Gietzelt, Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, represent­ ing the Minister for Transport, accompanied by the following officers:

Department o f Transport Mr J. Evans, Acting Deputy Secretary Mr P. Eccles, First Assistant Secretary, Marine Operations Division Mr W. P. Crone, Senior Assistant Secretary, Sea Transport Policy Division Mr P. Merner, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Land Transport Policy Division Mr P. Makeham, Acting First Assistant Secretary, Roads Division Mr W. Upton, First Assistant Secretary, Road Safety Division Mr M. J. Hutchinson, First Assistant Secretary, Management and Co­

ordination Division Mr C. Davidson, Assistant Secretary, Finance and Services Branch Mr W. Egan, Deputy Director, Bureau of Transport Economics Department o f Finance

Mr J. F. Nichols, Finance Officer, Accounting and Supply Division The Chairman called on the following Divisions for consideration:

Particulars o f Proposed Expenditure 1983-84 Division 664-668—Transport (Document B) Division 972-973—Transport (Document C) Advance to the Minister fo r Finance 1982-83

Division 664—Transport (Document D) The Committee concluded its consideration of the Particulars of Proposed Expenditure and Expenditure under the Advance to the Minister for Finance for the Department of Transport.

8. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 6.36 p.m.

9. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Georges (Chairman) and Senators Collard, Reid, Richardson, Robertson and Townley. Senator Messner was also present.

GEORGE GEORGES Chairman

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THE SENATE

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE F

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS No. 2 WEDNESDAY, 5 OCTOBER 1983

1. MEETING: The Committee met in deliberative session at 12.45 p.m. in Senate Committee Room 7. The Chairman (Senator Georges) took the Chair.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES: The Minutes of Proceedings of the meeting held on 15 September 1983 were read and confirmed.

3. REPORT OF COMMITTEE: The Committee considered the Chairman’s draft Report to the Senate. The draft was adopted with amendment.

4. ADJOURNMENT: The Committee adjourned at 1.00 p.m.

5. ATTENDANCE: The following members of the Committee were present: Senator Georges (Chairman), Senators Collard, Reid and Robertson.

GEORGE GEORGES Chairman

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