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Wednesday, 5 November 1913

The PRESIDENT - The honorable senator is not entitled to allude to the proceedings in another place.

Senator GARDINER - I was trying to get as close as I could to being out of order without overstepping the line. If I have inadvertently done so, I apologize. I point out, however, that I was not commenting upon the conduct of the other House, but upon the conduct of the Government, and I should like to know whether I am not in order in so doing. Is it not open to a member of the Senate to condemn the action of the Government in its transaction of business, both in the other House and here?

The PRESIDENT - The honorable senator is perfectly entitled to criticise the methods of the Government, but he is not justified in criticising the proceedings of another place.

Senator GARDINER - I shall not offend again. I am debarred from using the language that would fitly apply to the conduct of the Government in another place, because the Standing Orders do not permit me to use words which would be appropriate. It has been the conduct of selfishly petulant children. Ministers have been complaining everywhere that they have been badly treated. Not only is that complaint without justification as to their treatment elsewhere, but in this House they have been generously dealt with. I am perfectly satisfied that the electors of the country are just as good judges of the situation as are we who are sitting here; and I feel sure that, when they have an opportunity in the very near future, they will tell these gentlemen that they have not carried out their promises in remedying extravagance and reducing the cost of living, and will express their opinion in no uncertain way.

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