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Thursday, 28 November 1912


Senator PEARCE (Western AustraliaMinister of Defence) . - I can readily give the assurance asked for by Senator Russell. The matter has been gone into thoroughly, and the position will be as follows: - The term "marine enginedriver" under this Bill will not have the same significance as the term had under the Victorian Act. A marine engine-driver under the Bill will be the driver of a motor engine. A marine engine-driver under the Victorian Act was really an engineer as judged by the standards . of this Bill. The value of the certificates held by the men referred to will be looked into. If a man is driving an engine of 100 nominal horse-power he will get a coastal certificate under this Bill. Whether it will be a second or third class certificate will depend on the value of his present certificate. The intention is to give him a certificate of equivalent value.


Senator E J RUSSELL (VICTORIA) - Without further examination?


Senator PEARCE - That is so. If an engineer is in possession of a certificate under a State Act which enables him to drive an engine of 100 nominal horsepower, he will, without examination, obtain an equivalent certificate under this Bill to enable him to drive a 100 nominal horse-power engine.


Senator Rae - I understand that he would not be allowed to drive unless he exchanged his certificate.


Senator PEARCE - The fact that he has a certificate will be sufficient in itself. He will go on driving, and will get his equivalent certificate.


Senator Guthrie - Clause 21 does not say that.


Senator PEARCE - But that is what is going to be done. The men themselves have no doubt about it. The certificates of second class engineers require shop experience. But that does not affect the marine engine-driver at all.


Senator E J RUSSELL (VICTORIA) - I understand that in some States a marine engine-driver, even if he only drives an engine of 100 horse-power, has to have shop experience.


Senator PEARCE - That may be so. I am dealing particularly with the position of men in the State of Victoria, and I say that if a man is in possession of a certificate which enables him to drive an engine of 100 nominal horse-power he will be entitled to be regarded as qualified for an equivalent certificate under the Commonwealth.

Amendment of Schedule I., as amended, agreed to.

Schedule II. (Scale of crew).

House of Representatives' Amendment.- Omit the schedule and insert new schedule.







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