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Wednesday, 20 November 1912

Senator GUTHRIE (South Australia) . - There seems to be some misunderstanding regarding the difference between inspection and survey. An inspection is made by an inspector, who reports to the Minister. But a survey is a compulsory examination of a ship, including every bit of her equipment. While Senator McDougall was speaking some honorable senators interjected that a survey did not include the inspection of ropes, sidelights, and everything else laid down as part of a ship's equipment. As a matter of fact, all such things have to be surveyed, and the surveyor has to make a statutory declaration that he has examined them.

Senator Pearce - They also have to be< inspected. Both statements are correct.

Senator GUTHRIE - They are not correct. An inspection and a survey are two different things. An inspection can take place at any time. An inspector can go on board a ship and say that certain things ought to be done. The master need not comply unless he likes. But when a survey takes place, every rocket, every sidelight, every fog-horn that a ship is compelled to carry has to be produced, and the surveyor has to make a statutory declaration that all the equipment is in good order. No sworn declaration is made regarding an inspection. Under the Victorian Act there was a penalty on any person who issued a certificate of survey if he was not appointed by the Marine Board. The surveyor under that measure did not receive a single penny for his work. The principal things to be looked to when a survey takes place are the ship's bottom, her stern-bush, and her propeller, which cannot be surveyed unless she is docked. It has been said that the Victorian Act did not provide for a six months' survey. I say that it did provide for a survey of all non-condensing engine steamers every six months.

Senator Pearce - The ordinary steamers trading around our coast have not to be surveyed more than once .in twelve months. How many non-condensing engine steamers are there?

Senator GUTHRIE - There are still a large number of them.

Senator Pearce - How many in the passenger trade?

Senator GUTHRIE - We are providing for both passenger and non-passenger steamers, and I say that a twelve months' interval is too long. I know that the Board of Trade have put up a strong fight regarding this matter. Great Britain has not come up to line with Canada and Australia, but the time has arrived when an endeavour ought to be made to bring the Board of Trade up to our standard in the matter. I am not going to fight any longer about it.

Senator Pearce - About time.

Senator GUTHRIE - We have a, right to express our opinion. We are not compelled to accept everything the Government like to bring down.

Senator Pearce - If we go on in this way we shall never get through the Bill.

Senator GUTHRIE - Surely we have a right to discuss these amendments.

Senator Pearce - Four days on each amendment - that means a year.

Senator GUTHRIE - We have 178 amendments to deal with, and some of them must be discussed fully.

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