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Wednesday, 26 September 1906


The PRESIDENT - The time allotted to the honorable senator has expired.


Senator Col NEILD - I should like to ask the leave of the Senate to occupy five minutes more in finishing my remarks.


Senator Pearce - If I can do so under the Standing Orders I am prepared to move for an extension of time for the honorable senator.


The PRESIDENT - That could not be done under the Standing Orders. An extension of time can only be granted by leave of the Senate, but if once we adopt this practice, of what use will it be to have such a standing order at all?


Senator Clemons - There is the protection that the objection of one honorable senator will prevent an extension of time.


The PRESIDENT - I put it to the Senate that Senator Neild have leave to continue his remarks for another five minutes ?

Leave granted.


Senator Col NEILD - I thank the Senate. Three days later, after the notification of discharge, namely, on the 21st June, the matter was brought before the Senate. In addition to the declaration by Mr. Stone, Senator Pearce, who brought the matter under our notice, read two declarations purporting to be made by Horace Reginald Herington and Richard Henry Bartlett, two boys who at one time had been in the employment of the company. Herington's declaration is dated 10th December, 1904, and was therefore two years old. Bartlett's declaration was dated 19th June, 1906, two days before Senator Pearce moved the adjournment of the Senate. Neither of these persons was in the employ of the company at the time. They were a couple of boys who had left the employment of the company some time before.


Senator Pearce - Were they not in. the employ of the company at the time to which Stone refers?

SenatorCol. NEILD. - No, they were not. I can give the honorable senator the dates when I speak in reply. It will not be introducing new matter if the point is contested. Then a Mr. Chamberlain appears on the scene. In his evidence before the Arbitration Court, Stone said that the alleged fraud of the foreman was detected by Mr. Chamberlain, one of the oldest hands in the factory, and he drew Mr. Carroll's attention to it. Mr. Chamberlain, who is in the employ of the company now, on the 19th June, 1906, two days before Senator Pearce brought the matter before the Senate, wrote this letter to Mr. Weeks and I direct the special attention of honorable senators to it.

Sir, -Onthemorningofthe19th, about 10.30, GeorgeCarroll came to me and said that Jimmy Stone received a letter from Mr. Pearce, and said to me that our evidence was wanted, and I said what evidence. He said about throwing fillers into our wrapper leaf. I said, no, I don't. He said, yes, you do. I told him again that I did not. He said you are only backing and filling because there are only the two of us. He said that I called Jimmy's attention to it on the morning he went to the Commission. I told him I did no such thing.

J.   Chamberlain.

P.S. - I knew that was wrong, because I was not on speaking terms with Stone on the morning of the Commission. [ am advised that this letter was written by Mr. Chamberlain without any prompting or suggestion from the officers of the company. The very phraseology of the letter prohibits the idea that it was a putup job.


Senator Pearce - Who mentioned Mr. Chamberlain ?


Senator Col NEILD - In support of what he said in his voluntary letter, Mr. Chamberlain has made a statutory declaration, a copy of which I have here, in which he substantiates in legal phrase what he has expressed in so rough-and-ready a manner in his letter.


Senator Pearce - Will the honorable senator say who mentioned Mr.Chamberlain? He has said that he was mentioned in one of the declarations, but his name does not appear in either.


Senator Col NEILD - Stone alleged before the Arbitration Court that Chamberlain was connected with this matter. I regret that, owing to the expiration of the time allowed me, I am unable to pursue the matter further.







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