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Wednesday, 20 September 1972
Page: 1682


Mr McLEAY (Boothby) (Assistant Minister assisting the Minister for Civil Aviation) - As we are dealing with the estimates for the Attorney-General's Department, I take it that it will be in order for me to speak about truth and justice. 1 want to refer to some of the remarks I made yesterday in a debate in this place when I was talking about the Australian Labor Party's advertising agencies, who controls the funds and who owns the agencies. I want to refer also to some of the remarks that were made after I had finished my speech. In particular I want to refer to what the honourable member for Adelaide (Mr Hurford), who I am pleased to see in the chamber this evening, had to say, to what the honourable member for Kingston (Dr Gun) had to say and to what the Premier of South Australia had to say, as reported in the Advertiser' this morning. All 3 gentlemen have dealt fairly loosely with the truth.

The honourable member for Adelaide, talking about the Liberal Party's advertising, said:

Your own advertising is going through foreign owned agencies.

He will remember saying that. It is recorded in Hansard at page 1552.

The honourable member for Kingston made 3 similar totally untruthful remarks in the cause of truth. When referring to firms which handle the Australian Labor Party's advertising, he dealt in 2 or 3 paragraphs with 3 items of specific non-truth. The Premier of South Australia also had something to say along the same lines which was equally untrue. He referred, gratuitously I thought, to the Prime Minister (Mr McMahon), saying that the Prime Minister himself had approached the Australian Labor Party's advertising agency. That is totally untrue. I deplore this continual repetition of untruths. Some people on the other side of the chamber believe that the more often one tells an untruth the more likely it is that it will be believed.

The DEPUTY CHAIRMAN (Mr Cope) - Order! I would like to draw the attention of the Assistant Minister assisting the Minister for Civil Aviation to standing order 71 which reads as follows:

No member may allude to any debate or proceedings of the same session unless such allusion be relevant to the matter under discussion.

We are discussing the estimates for the Attorney-General's Department.


Mr McLEAY - Thank you, Mr Deputy Chairman, for bringing me back to the subject matter. 1 wish to deal with the truth of the position in regard to the Liberal Party of Australia and who handles its advertising. I think that this is appropriate to the debate.


Mr Foster - Name the firm.


Mr McLEAY - If the honourable member for Sturt will give me the opportunity, I will proceed to relieve him from his misery, or some of it, and tell him what is the truth. 1 hope that you, Mr Deputy Chairman, will give me the same protection under the Standing Orders as you give to other members. The Liberal Party has no Federal organisation as the Australian Labor Party has, in that it does not have a central party using a single agency with which it places all its funds. In New South

Wales the company that currently handles the Liberal Party's advertising is a firm named Masius, Wynne-Williams (N.S.W.) Pty Ltd.

The DEPUTY CHAIRMAN (Mr Cope) - Order! I draw the attention of the Assistant Minister to the fact that Liberal Party or Labor Party advertising has absolutely no relevance to the estimates for the Attorney-General's Department.


Mr McLEAY - There is considerable significance in the question of what is the truth and what is not the truth. The point I make is that the Attorney-General's Department is dealing in matters of justice. I would ask you. Mr Deputy Chairman, to give me the same sort of leniency as other deputy chairmen give other people in this place.


Mr Foster - Mr Deputy Chairman, I rise to order. It is with some degree of reluctance that I do this-

The DEPUTY CHAIRMAN - Order! What is your point of order?


Mr Foster - My point of order, Mr Deputy Chairman, is that you have, quite rightly, pointed out to the Assistant Minister that he is going beyond the subject matter before the Chair in discussing advertising agencies. His present remarks are quite irrelevant. He should speak to the subject.

The DEPUTY CHAIRMAN- Order! The Chair will decide on that.


Mr McLEAY - I aim ultimately, if I am able to do so, to deal with a matter of Commonwealth law. In particular, if I am allowed to do so, I would like to refer to the attention of the Senate Select Committee on Foreign Ownership and Control the question of the problems caused by the foreign control of advertising agencies. Nobody can possibly dispute the fact that this is within the purview of the Attorney-General's Department. I want to make the point that the 2 major political parties have different ways of handling their advertising. All of the Liberal Party's advertising is handled through the State branches of the Party, contrary to the statements made by honourable members opposite. When Labor was in power in New South Wales the advertising agency which at present handles Labor's advertising, Hansen Rubensohn-McCann Erikson-


Mr Nixon - An overseas company.


Mr McLEAY - That is the whole point. A foreign owned company handles the Australian Labor Party's advertising and also that of a State Labor government. That is what I am complaining about insofar as South Australia is concerned.

The DEPUTY CHAIRMAN (Mr Cope) - Order! I should like again to draw the attention of the Assistant Minister to the fact that his remarks are quite irrelevant to the estimates for the Attorney-General's Department. If you intend to continue your speech, will you please refer to these estimates.


Mr McLEAY - I propose to suggest a particular form of Commonwealth law to control this matter. With respect to you, Sir, I think it is quite unfair to eat up my time completely and not allow me to enlarge upon the point.

The DEPUTY CHAIRMAN- Order! I think that is a reflection upon the Chair.


Mr McLEAY - I withdraw that remark.

The DEPUTY CHAIRMAN- I have just given a ruling on the way in which I see the position.


Mr McLEAY - I appreciate your help in allowing me to get on with the debate, Mr Deputy Chairman. The Liberal Party's advertising in Victoria is handled by Hayes and Co., a firm which is entirely Australian owned.


Mr Foster - Which one?


Mr McLEAY - Hayes and Co. The advertising for the Liberal Party in Western Australia is handled exclusively by Haygarth and Co., which is Australian owned. The Liberal Party's advertising in Queensland is handled by Fortune (Aust.) Pty Ltd, which is Australian owned. None of these companies handles State government business.


Mr Daly - I rise on a point of order, Mr Deputy Chairman. I point out that the Assistant Minister appears to be deliberately defying your wise ruling, Sir. You have already called him to order. I can see no connection between his remarks and the estimates for the Attorney-General's Department. You have quite courteously pointed that out to him on several occasions but he still gets back to the same sub ject. I suggest that he be asked to link his remarks to the estimates for the AttorneyGeneral's Department.







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