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Thursday, 16 May 1968


Mr ERWIN (Ballaarat) - Before any Bill is brought into this House notices are displayed on the notice boards in the Party rooms of the Labor Party, the Liberal Party and the Country Party, so that any member may affix his name if he wishes to speak on the Bill.


Mr Peters - I raise a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker, ls the honourable member speaking to the Bill?


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Hon W C Haworth - Order! There is no substance in the point of order.


Mr ERWIN - Every member has the chance of affixing his name to the notice.


Mr Uren - On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker, I wish to know to what section of the Bill the honourable member is addressing himself?


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member for Ballaarat will address himself to the Bill.


Mr ERWIN - Yesterday we had an agreement in relation to this Bill. .


Mr Uren - On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker-


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member for Ballaarat has said that he will address himself to this Bill. I take it that he will do so and I will listen to what he has to say.


Mr ERWIN - The Leader of the House (Mr Snedden), who is sitting here now, the Deputy Leader of the Opposition (Mr Barnard), the Australian Labor Party Whip (Mr Duthie) and myself had conferences and agreed on certain procedures.


Mr Uren - Mr Deputy Speaker-


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member for Ballaarat has said that he will address himself to the Bill and I propose to hear what he has to say.


Mr Daly - I wish to raise a point of order. It is quite obvious that the honourable member for Ballaarat proposes not to address himself to the Bill but rather to speak of arrangements that were never made, to my knowledge. Consequently the honourable member is completely out of order when he speaks of lists in Party rooms or anything of that nature, which have nothing at all to do with the Bill and which are quite contrary to the arrangements that I know were made.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! I am prepared to hear what the honourable member for Ballaarat has to say. The honourable member has assured me that he is going to address himself to the Bill and I am going to listen to his arguments.


Mr ERWIN - I am addressing myself to the Bill. I am speaking to the Bill and of the course of proceedings concerning the Bill. The Leader of the House, the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, the Labor Party Whip and myself agreed on certain procedures and timing.


Mr Uren - I wish to raise a point of order. The honourable member for Ballaarat has been speaking for some 3 minutes and so far has not made one remark in reference to the Bill. The honourable member is only trying to give the reasons why he intends to gag the Bill. Therefore I believe that the honourable member for Ballaarat should either speak to the Bill or resume his seat and give honourable members on this side of the House an opportunity to speak.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member for Reid will resume his seat. The honourable member for Ballaarat has assured me that he is going to address himself to the Bill. If honourable members keep rising and taking points of order how can the honourable member for Ballaarat address the Chair?


Mr Daly - I move:

That the honourable member for Reid be now heard.


Mr Cope - I second the motion.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER

Motion (by Mr Snedden) proposed:

That the question be now put.


Mr Daly - I have moved a motion totally different from that moved by the Minister for Immigration. My motion was seconded. Accordingly I ask that the question in relation to my motion be put.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member for Grayndler has been a member of the House long enough to know that he cannot move such a motion. It is contrary to the Standing Orders.


Mr Daly - To which standing order is it contrary.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The question is:

That the question be now put.


Mr Charles Jones (NEWCASTLE, VICTORIA) - I wish to raise a point of order. In the chamber tonight we have beard submissions to the effect that arrangements and agreements were made with the Opposition as to how the debate was to be conducted and how many speakers were to be permitted. I would say that there was no agreement whatever. The Government has made a decision without co-operating with the Opposition.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! 1 have no idea what arrangements were made. The Minister has moved that the question be now put. There is no substance in the point of order.


Mr Daly - I seek your guidance, Mr Deputy Speaker. Under what standing order do you say that I have no right to move that an honourable member be heard if no other honourable member was on his feet at that time?


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The ruling of the Chair is that there is a motion before the House that the question be now put.


Mr Daly - Mr Deputy Speaker-


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member for Grayndler will resume his seat.

Question put:

That the question be now put.







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