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Friday, 7 October 1904

Mr HENRY WILLIS - As the honorable member says, I propose doing so myself. Every honorable member, I suppose, speaks on behalf of his constituents when he is addressing the House. He is speaking to the people as well as endeavouring to carry out the legislation which he was sent here to pass.

Mr McDonald - But honorable members on the other side say that we represent only unions, and not the people.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - I am quite certain that that is what the members of the Labour Party do represent. If the honorable member is familiar with the literature published by the Socialist Party in England, on the Continent, and in Australia he will know that their advice is to always use the Labour unions for the purpose of advancing Socialism. That is the main plank of the Socialist movement. The Labour Party has now come out into the open and declared itself for Socialism; but it is only during the last few years that its members have announced themselves as. the extreme socialistic revolutionaries they are now known to be. When the honorable member for Boothby first entered the House, he was not looked upon as a Socialist of the deepest dye. He was known to be a reasonable man, and I suppose that he owed his election and his great popularity to the fact that he was known to be a reasonable man who was not prepared to go the same length as the honorable member for Kennedy - a Socialist of the Karl Marx brand. This discussion has been remarkable not only for the fact of honorable members speaking to the electors with a view to a general election, but also for the fact that the war has been carried into the camp of the enemy. From the beginning to the end the Opposition Party has been on the defensive. Its members are apologising for their policy. If they believe in. their policy, why should they offer an apology? Why do they not go into the highways and by-ways and bring in all those labourers who are not unionists, and tell them what a good thing their policy is?

Mr McDonald - So we do.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The members nf the Labour Party are going into the highways and by-ways to bring in those who are not unionists, so that, having the unions in the hollow of their hands, they may be able to use those men for political purposes. The position I took up originally was that the members of the Labour Party were the mouth-pieces of the unions.

Mr Spence - Evidently the honorable member has a very low opinion of the working man.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - I have a very high opinion of every working man. To a very great extent, however, the working man is quite unfamiliar with the policy of the Opposition, and the honorable member who speaks so much about Socialism actually denounced Mr. Tom Mann.

Mr Spence - I never did.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - In the two speeches which the honorable member delivered he repudiated Mr. Tom Mann.

Mr Spence - I did not, I said that we accepted him.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The honorable member for Kennedy came to the honorable member's rescue, and' said, as Hansard shows, that Mr. Tom Mann was doing a good work.

Mr Spence - The honorable member will find from Hansard that I said I accepted what Mr. Tom Mann said, and supported him.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - Mr. TomMann is the mouth-piece of the Labour Party, and receives their emoluments for his services, and I hope that he will not be repudiated after the exposition he has given of their ultimate aims.

Mr Spence - We stand by him, and honorable members opposite stand by Mr. Walpole.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - According to their own statement the members of the Labour Party are in the stocks. They feel that they have committed an offence, and I believe that the offence is that of not telling their constituents what their socialistic aims were, merely posing as representatives of labour - from the washerwoman. I think, up to the man in the counting house. We know very well that the first, act of Labour members when they came here was to denounce non-unionists by such epithets as " black-legs." But if. their election had depended upon the votes of only the unionists of Australia, they would not have been able to make those denunciations here.

Mr Bamford - We admit that.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The members of the Labour Party have used the unions, as Mi. Tom Mann has stated, as a means to an end, and that is, to get into Parliament, and to so legislate as to give preference to their members.

Mr McDonald - I was returned as a Socialist the first time I ever stood for Parliament, and that was twelve years ago.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The honorable member has never denounced Socialism. He has always been ready to uphold its adoption. He is one of the most extreme men in the Labour Party, and another member who would go to the same length, is the honorable member for Barrier, a recent convert. I am rather grateful for these interjections, because they are of very great assistance when one is trying to nail down to- the counter the counterfeits who. pose as representing the people and not being extremists, but who really are extremists, as far as they are able to understand the subject of Socialism. The leader of the Opposition said that this debate would be a means of clearing the atmosphere. I have no objection to the tabling of this motion of no-confidence. It was very necessary, I think, that we should know where honorable members sit, and what their convictions are, so that we might obtain some satisfactory legislation, and honorable members might be depended upon to support their party. When I came into the House last evening, at the close of an address delivered by the honorable member for Wilmot, I looked round to see if he had made an announcement. I thought I might get an inkling of the nature of it from the faces of honorable members, but they were all smiling. It turned out that he had announced that he would vote in favour of the Government, and yet to-day be is denounced on all sides. Including myself, not one honorable member. I think, desires a dissolution at the present moment, and for this reason, that while the organizations of the Labour Party are at work, our organizations throughout Australia are not active. I was very pleased however, to hear that they are active in New South Wales. While I sit on the cross-benches I am prepared to support generally the legislation of the coalition, but I am not prepared to swallow anything and everything which may be brought forward.

Mr McDonald - Oh !

Mr HENRY WILLIS - I am sent here for a purpose, and that is to legislate for the good of the whole people, and if there is any tinge of conservatism in the legislation which is proposed I certainly should not support this Government, and an appeal to the country I hope would be the result. In my opinion, that appeal should not come until there is a quarrel with another place, and we could have a double dissolution, so that the parties might be better able to carry on in another place, as we hope they will be able to carry on here. The Labour Party is organizing in all directions. In some of the States the protectionists and the free-traders are well organized, but in other States they are not, because a number of honorable members on the other side are pledged democrats. "Democrat" is a word upon which I think most politicians gain support in South Australia. These honorable members, by the pledges they have given, have obtained support from friends of mine who, I am certain, would not. go the full length of their policy. Therefore, I say, let us organize in all directions, and prepare ourselves for a fight. Then, if the Labour or Socialist Party obtains a majority, let the majority rule. But I think that when the people of the country know that the aim of the Labour Party is to make the Commonwealth a socialistic State, the working men, and the community generally, will rise up, and denounce the tactics of those who have obtained seals by a pretence. Honorable members will be nailed down to the convictions which they have expressed here - to statements such as that of the honorable member for Barrier, who said that he is a full-blown Socialist. Honorable members opposite have advanced ideas, and, as Mr. Tom Mann says, they would go further, but for the fact that they find they are not supported by the workers. That is a severe charge to make against them. They regulate their movements by the amount of support which they obtain from their constituents. He says that he knows them to be honorable men, who are firm in their convictions, and that they would go as far as the revolutionary Socialists on the Continent if they were supported. The alliance between the Labour Party and a section of the Protectionist Party is one of which I heartily approve, because it has broken up the strongbody of extreme protectionists in this House. Those! protectionists would even have gone the length of voting for prohibition, but the Labour Party has introduced itself like a wedge, and split them in two. Now that they are divided, I hope that we shall be able to defeat them in sections. But while there are protectionists in the alliance, I think that thev are supporting the Labour Party, not to obtain assistance in furtherance of the objects of protection, but to protect themselves from the opposition of Labour candidates. Honorable members like the honorable and learned member for Indi, and the honorable members for Melbourne Ports and Bourke should, when they go to the poll, declare themselves as labour members.

Mr Page - Or as Reidites.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - We would not have them ; they are opposed to us, and are fighting against our cause. Whilst they have allied themselves with the Labour Party, there is a savour of insincerity about their action. I hope that if they do not offer themselves as labour candidates they may be defeated.

Mr McDonald - The honorable member's leader said that he would accept assistance from any one, even from Old Nick himself.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - If the honorable members to whom I refer are returned as labour representatives, they will be honestly entitled to their seats; but I think that . the Labour Party will come back in a minority.

Mr DAVID THOMSON (CAPRICORNIA, QUEENSLAND) - They are going to turn the honorable member out.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - I have no fear on that score. At my first election, I fought one of the leading labour men and Socialists, one of the ablest men in the public life of the State of New South Wales, and a man of great influence in the electorate.

Mr McDonald - Who was that?

Mr HENRY WILLIS - Mr.J. D. Fitzgerald/ He was a labourite and a State Socialist, and stood well with the Protectionist Party. It would be impossible to send a stronger man against me, and I beat him. Prior to the last election, three or four candidates were sent to my constituency, but they left in despair. One man, who knew every corner of Robertson, stood against me, and I beat him by nearly 3,000 votes. Nothing delights me more than to fight an election, and if honorable members opposite will send a good man my majority will be increased, because my friends will rally round me in greater numbers than before. It seems to me that the protectionist members of the alliance are between the devil and the deep sea, . and do not know which way to turn. They are afraid to go before their constituents as protectionists, and the Labour Party outside will not countenance them. The manifesto of the alhance shows that the protectionists who joined it stuck out for one thing only, and that was that they should not be opposed by labour candidates.

Mr King O'Malley - They did not ask for that; we put it in the programme out of good, Christian, brotherly love.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - If they are labourites, they should label themselves as such. It appears to me, however, that the alliance is only a tentative one, and will last only so long as it suits the Labour Party, which will be until this debate closes. It is known now that there will be a majority for the Government. The Labour Party has crouched for a spring. Having tasted the sweets of office, it has tried to again get possession of the Ministerial benches, with the assistance of some of the protectionists. The honorable member for Perth has stated clearly that he has no sympathy with the alliance, because if the Labour Party came into power with the assistance of the protectionists, it would have to make concessions to them, and, therefore, could not carry out its full programme. The honorable member is a Socialist, and if he cannot carry out his full programme he is willing to wait for an opportunity to do so.

Mr Ronald - He is a free-trader

Mr HENRY WILLIS - How is it possible for a man to be a Socialist, and not be a free-trader?

Mr Ronald - Is it possible to be a free-trader without also being a Socialist ?

Mr HENRY WILLIS - These are some of the anomalies that we find in the ranks of the Opposition. The alliance manifesto is worthy of some attention. The third clause of the alliance programme reads as follows: -

Each party to use its influence individually and collectively with its organizations and supporters to secure support for and immunity from opposition to members of the other party during th;; currency of the alliance.

That appears to be the chief concession made by the members of the Labour Party to their protectionist allies. The alliance agree to pass the

Conciliation and Arbitration Bill as nearly as possible in accordance with the original Bill, as introduced by the Deakin Government, but any member is at liberty to adhere to his votes already given.

The Bill as introduced by the honorable and learned member for Ballarat embraced many provisions which have since been excised. Yet the Labour Party, for the sake of office, threw over the original Bill, which provided for preference to unionists, and also for the inclusion within the scope of the Bill of the agricultural industry and domestic servants. That measure was drafted by the right honorable member for Adelaide, a democrat of democrats, and a Socialist of the most pronounced type. He made provision for everything that the Labour Party demanded, and yet the measure was sacrificed by them. This shows that those honorable members have not been faithful to the trust reposed in them by the electors who sent them here.

Mr Frazer - Were they not pledged to support a provision for including railway servants within the scope of the Bill?

Mr HENRY WILLIS - Were they not also pledged to support preference to unionists ?

Mr Frazer - Yes.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - Is not the question of preference to unionists regarded as far more vital than that' of including railway servants within the scope of the Bill? The extension of the provisions of the Bill to railway servants involves a constitutional question, and it is just possible that it might have been decided that under clause 62 they would be entitled to the same rights as were conferred upon other citizens. Honorable members have sacrificed the main principles of the Bill which their masters desired them to uphold. They were required to secure preference for members of unions.

Mr Frazer - How can the honorable member say that we sacrificed that principle in view of the fact that the Watson Government relinquished office rather than give way upon it?

Mr HENRY WILLIS -The Bill,- as amended, gave a preference to a majority in a trade or calling, but the Watson Government desired a preference for a minority. I should like at this stage to refer to an article published in the Age of 27th July, and which reads as follows : -

Preference to unionists must mean the dismissal of non-unionists; and this must take place on a very extensive scale if the principle of preference is to be applied in anything like the way proposed by the Watson Government.

According to this, non-unionists are to be thrown out of employment in order to make room for unionists, and yet the members of the Labour Party claim to represent all classes of the workers. The article continues -

Extreme State Socialists, who are concerned in the working of the Political Labour Councils, are acting quite logically in setting great store by the preference clause. A Trades Hall Council, bitting in judgment to determine who was to be thrust out of employment in favour of its nominees, would be almost an exact counterpart of the socialistic rulers whom such theorists as Marx and Lasalle would have installed in absolute control of the universal State industry. But the more this kind of scheme is realized in actual life, or in proposals which have been advocated in th: arena of practical politics, the less it commends itself to common-sense people who retain their ordinary notions of justice and humanity.

That is very strong language, and affords evidence that the Age is alive to the fact that the Labour Party are following upon the lines of the policy laid down by that great writer Karl Marx, and are also largely guided by the writings of Morris on the tendency of State Socialism. The men. in authority at the Trades Hall are those upon whom Marx and Morris would confer the power to so regulate affairs that their ideals might . ultimately be realized. The Age, in a leading article published on 1 2th August, says further -

Nothing could be imagined more repugnant to the spirit of British liberty and toleration than to permit any kind of labour organization to use a Court of law as the instrument for offering to those who differ from it the alternative of joining or being dismissed.

Would it not be shameful if the Labour Party were empowered to place men in such a position that they would be forced to join unions or give up their employment? The honorable member for Southern Melbourne shakes his head. I am quite satisfied that he has no faith in such a policy, and that if he did himself justice he would leave the ranks of the party with which he is now associated. The article proceeds -

The more formidable and insidious attack on all outside the unions will have the effect of alienating the sympathies of many thousands of electors.

That is the day to which I am looking forward - when the electors will wake up and tell honorable members opposite that they have deceived them; that they have been using them as tools in order to attain their own political ends, and as a means of securing positions in Parliament in order that they may_ the more effectively act as emissaries of the Continental revolutionaries, whose mouth-piece in Australia is Tom Mann - one who prides himself upon having been expelled from the principal countries of Europe, because he was a malcontent and stirrer up of discord who would possibly cause a revolution. The Age further remarks -

There are a very large number of men who are compelled 10 vary their employment, and who cannot possibly belong to a union for each class of work which they must take up.

That is one of the strongest reasons why the proposal for granting preference to unionists should be combated. A man who is a non-unionist might travel from place to place and be unable to secure a job because he was not a member of a particular union. He might not have the money necessary to pay his entrancefee into the union connected with the calling in which he was seeking work. He would be condemned to. walk along the highways and starve, and his wife and little ones would be deprived of their means of sustenance because their bread-winner could not find the money necessary to enable him to become a unionist.

Mr Frazer - The honorable member is talking absolute rot.

Mr Kelly - Honorable members opposite do not like it.

Mr Frazer - Of course not, because it is not correct.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - That is the kind of legislation upon which honorable members opposite pride themselves. I believe that when the constituencies are organized and the people realize that those who are outside of trade unions are to be ostracised and deprived of their means of earning a livelihood, they will exclaim, with the honorable member for Kalgoorlie, " Rot !''

Mr McLean - And the Labour Administration relinquished office because they were not able to enforce their demands.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - Exactly. When they face the electors they will be compelled frankly to avow that they are the representatives of trade unionists only.

Mr Frazer - Only the cowardice of an honorable member upon the other side of the House prevents us from appealing to the people. '

Mr HENRY WILLIS - It struck me when I entered the chamber last evening that honorable members opposite were very desirous of keeping away from the electors. They were simply beaming with pleasure in their knowledge that a dissolution had been averted. In regard to the White Australia legislation, the aim of the alliance is to maintain existing Acts in their integrity and to effectively support their, intention by faithful administration. In his speech the other day, the honorable member for Carling declared that everything depended upon the manner in which those Acts were administered. I agree that a very great deal depends upon it. That is one of the reasons why I am prepared to sit behind the joint leadership of the present Prime Minister and the Minister of Trade and Customs. I believe that under them we shall secure honest administration of the legislation enacted by the first Commonwealth Parliament.

Mr Frazer - Notwithstanding that the Prime Minister does not believe in some of it?

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The Prime Minister has urged no complaint against those Acts in themselves. His complaint has had reference to the administration of them. Now that he is at the head of affairs, I trust that his administration will be such as will admit of no cavil. Whilst I claim that the members of the Labour Party represent only the Trades Hall, I credit them with a' desire for extreme legislation. It is true that they were able .to drive the Deakin Government whilst they held the balance of power, and as a result they obtained very much more in the nature of concessions than they otherwise would have done. We know that the first Prime Minister of the Commonwealth, Sir Edmund Barton, administered these statutes in a way .that was acceptable to the Trades Hall. It is notorious that the members of that body ran round Melbourne with the six hatters for 'the purpose of .gaining information from them. Those men were imprisoned and prevented from landing upon our shores, until they had obtained the permission of the then Prime Minister.

Mr Ronald - He simply administered the law.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - If a man comes to Australia under contract the law declares that that contract shall be null and' void upon his arrival. In the case of the six hatters the contract into which they had entered in England was null and void when they arrived here. Under such circumstances, what right had Sir Edmund Barton to imprison them? Mr. Anderson, the gentleman who engaged them, personally assured me, within the precincts of this House, that the agreement under which they were brought here was void, and that fresh contracts were drawn up and signed with a full knowledge of the condition of the trade in Sydney, and of the existing law. What we want is honest administration of the Act.

Mr Frazer - That is exactly what we cannot get.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - I claim that when the Labour Party ceases to dominate Parliament we shall secure honest administration. I find that the alliance programme embodies the following aims : - " Preferential trade legislation, including the Tariff revision shown to be necessary to develop Australian, resources, to preserve, encourage, and benefit Australian industries, primary and secondary. A Royal Commission is to be at once appointed to inquire into the necessity for a revision of the Tariff. Its personnel is to be approved by Parliament, and the Commission is to report in sufficient time to enable any . desired legislation to be introduced next session." In this connexion I would point out that at the last general election the Deakin Government announced that the issues upon which it appealed to the people were fiscal peace and preferential trade. They were successful at the polls, and the verdict of the people was accepted by the respective leaders of the three parties in this House. In support of my statement, I would point out that immediately after Parliament opened, the then Prime Minister said -

The fiscal issue is dead and buried during this Parliament at all events.

Thereupon the right honorable member for East Sydney interjected -

I recognise that that is the verdict of the constituencies.

Similarly, the honorable member for Bland, speaking upon the Address-in-Reply, said -

I share the gratification of the Prime Minister that, with the last election, the issue, as between free-trade and protection, has disappeared for some time to come, at any rate, so far as the Tariff is concerned.

Later on he said -

The fiscal issue is dead, at any rate, so far as this Parliament is concerned.

At Albury the honorable member for. Hume also announced that the fiscal question should not have been raised" during the last election, and that it must be sunk until the expiration, of the Braddon section of the Constitution. Yet we find that some of the protectionists who followed the honorable and learned member for Ballarat, and some of the free-traders who supported the present Prime Minister, have now gone back upon that understanding, and formed an alliance for the purpose of re-opening the Tariff. They claim that certain industries should be specifically referred to the proposed Commission for consideration, and when that consideration has been extended to them, legislation is to be enacted to prevent their destruction. I maintain that there is nothing to warrant the insertion of such a clause in the compact into which they have entered. I would further point out that they propose that this Tariff legislation shall be brought forward next session. Should they achieve all that they desire, what is to prevent any honorable member from proposing that a larger measure of protection "shall be given to any industry if he is of opinion that it ought to receive it? In all probability, those industries, which have hitherto been considered finally settled in relation to the Tariff, would occupy the attention of the House, and we should have another prolonged discussion.

Mr Frazer - Both the honorable member's leaders are agreeable to a Royal Commission.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The honorable member for Bourke bases his chief argument on the importation of fleshing machines, which are, however, very little used in the trade.

Mr JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) - There is only one man in the Commonwealth who produces those machines.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - And I can confidently say that very few are used. But if thev were in general use, and were of great advantage to the tanner, would that not enable the latter to produce leather more cheaply ? And would the competition not reduce the price of the leather to the manufacturer of boots and shoes, thus conferring an advantage on the consumer? But honorable members opposite contend that protection should be universal ; and if protection could be given to every industry and every individual in the community in equal measure, there would be no objection to the policy. But it is because protection cannot be regulated so as to give every man the same measure of advantage that we freetraders advocate making exchange as easy as possible, so that raw material may be obtained at the lowest possible cost. And that would be the result, so far as the boot manufacturers are concerned, if fleshing machines were introduced mme extensively. It appears that a large order for cement has recently been placed in Melbourne. Cement can be produced at the Commonwealth Cement Works, New South Wales, at a lower cost than it can be produced in Victoria. The Federal spirit, however, appears to be dead in the. latter State, where there is a willingness to pay more money to a local manufacturer for cement, rather than purchase it in New South Wales. The Commonwealth Cement Works Company of New South Wales had invested £250,000 before Federation was established ; and I believe that they had to pay duty on a large shipment of machinery, which did not arrive in time to escape the Federal Tariff. At these works there is the most up-to-date machinery, which in the opinion of those who believe in free-trade, is of great advantage, not only to the manufacturer, but to the consumer. Obsolete machinery is in operation in Victoria, and the manufacturers are unable to compete with the Commonwealth Cement Works in New South Wales. To the credit of the business men of Melbourne, it ought to be said that the tender from the latter works was ultimately accepted.

Mr Kelly - The Age does not like that.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The proprietors of the cement works in Victoria simply ask for more protection, whereas the manufacturers in New South Wales, who can supply at a cheaper rate, desire that the exchange shall be as free as possible.

Mr Mauger - The New South Wales manufacturers are pleading hard for protection.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The New South Wales manufacturers believe that there should be a unified Tariff - that there should be no barriers between one State and another.

Mr Ronald - They are asking for protection, anyhow.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - It is stated that the Denton Hat Mills Company are asking for more protection. The manager of .those. 9 a mills, on the 21st July, 1892, gave evidence before the Tariff Commission of Victoria, and said that an increase of one shilling in the duty on hats would be sufficient protection, and that a duty amounting to 50 per cent, would be prohibitive. I wish to emphasize that statement that a. duty of 50 per cent, would be prohibitive.

Mr Ronald - That is ancient history.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The duty on hats was increased to 3s. a hat, or an average of 75 per cent. The half-yearly meeting of the shareholders of the company took place on the 27th January following, and the chairman, in moving the adoption of the report, pointed out that the company had made a profit of £2,000.

Mr Mauger - Marvellous, is it not?

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The chairman went on to say that the wages list had been reduced from .£9,380 to £7>443> as compared with the same period of the previous year. This is the industry to which the honorable member for Melbourne Ports desires to give greater protection.

Mr Mauger - It is the best industry in Australia ; every man and woman engaged in it is a unionist.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - That is the company which sent its representative round with the six hatters in' order to gain information with a view to preventing those men' being allowed to enter the Commonwealth, because they were to be employed in a factory which would compete with the Denton Mills.

Mr Mauger - Mr. Shaw, the manager of the company, gave evidence to Sir- Edmund Barton in favour of these men coming in. The honorable member is misrepresenting the facts.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The papers were laid on the table, and the evidence shows that a representative of the Denton Hat Mills was taken round by the honorable member for Yarra-

Mr Mauger - The honorable member for Yarra has not any shares in the Denton Hat Mills Company.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The honorable member for Yarra took this gentleman to the Prime Minister, and they succeeded in their efforts to "squeeze" that right honorable gentleman.

Mr Mauger - That was the secretary of the Hatters' Union, and not a representative of the Denton Hat Mills Company.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - This is one of the industries, I suppose, that will be marked out for a larger measure of protection oil the ground that it is languishing.

Mr Mauger - Who said that?

Mr HENRY WILLIS - The honorable member for Melbourne Ports on the floor of the House is constantly asking for a larger measure of protection to. this industry.

Mr Mauger - I never mentioned such a thing.

Mr HENRY WILLIS - I saw a letter that was not private, but which was sent here to be used if necessary, and it contained the information that owing to stress of business, a large order had been refused by the Denton Hat Mills.

Mr Mauger - Will the honorable member not admit that he knows nothing about the matter ?

Mr HENRY WILLIS - If I knew as little as does the honorable member, and if I were interested as much as he is, I would say nothing about the hat industry.

Mr Mauger - What do you mean by " interested " ?

Mr HENRY WILLIS - I thought thai the action which the honorable member took in connexion with the hat industry when the Tariff was under discussion was simply dis- gusting

Mr Mauger - I rise to a point of order. The statement has been made before that I am monetarily interested in the Denton Hat Mills.

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