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Wednesday, 29 May 1996
Page: 1343

Senator SPINDLER(5.33 p.m.) —I have a couple of points to make in response to what Senator Vanstone has said. I wonder whether she can refer me to any cases or any claims made in cases in any of the bills that have similar provisions—and I named about half a dozen of them, apart from the intercept act—where it was suggested that a judge's involvement had in any way affected the final judgment of whether a person was guilty or not guilty.

Another matter is the availability of judges. I do not know how many intercept cases are dealt with per year. I venture to say that there are at least several hundred, possibly thousands; whereas here we are dealing with about 12 cases. So I think the order of magnitude is considerably different. If the minister can provide some information on that, that would be enlightening.