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Wednesday, 27 November 1985
Page: 2321


Senator GRIMES (Manager of Government Business) —by leave-I certainly accept the points made by Senator Durack and Senator Chipp. I think it is really drawing a long bow to suggest that we should have a separate debate on item No. 20, but I know that matter is very dear to the heart of Senator Reid. Anything that even touches on the Australian Capital Territory provokes that sort of response. The reason the business has been arranged in this way is the same as the reason it has been so arranged in the past-because of the difficulties being created by what is happening in the consideration of the Estimates in this place. One has a responsibility to endeavour to get the Budget and the appropriations through on time. However, I will take on board what Senator Durack and Senator Chipp have said about those two reports and see whether we cannot make arrangements for better debate as I concede that they are hardly minor matters. There has to be a bit of give and take, and the sort of stone walling that has been going on in consideration of the Estimates does not make us particularly inclined to co-operate with anyone who carries on in the way a certain couple of senators have been carrying on in this place.