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Friday, 8 November 1985
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Senator DURACK(9.14) —in reply-Briefly in reply, I hope that the Senate will be able to take an early vote, and I do not want to delay the Senate on the matter. I simply cannot let some of the remarks of the Acting Leader of the Government, Senator Grimes, go without comment. The fact is that the security of our nation is the most important responsibility for this Parliament and this Senate to consider. The motion put forward by the Opposition on Wednesday afternoon reads:

That, in the opinion of the Senate, the following is a matter of urgency:

The need to strengthen Australia's alliance with the United States through an effective ANZUS Treaty and the maintenance of joint defence facilities.

Back bench members of the Australian Labor Party are now coming out in their true colours. Most of them do not like this. We have had a lot of rhetoric from the Government and from the Prime Minister (Mr Hawke) about support for ANZUS, but the back bench members of the Labor Party do not subscribe to the principles of this motion and that is why they would not vote on it the other day. They adopted the most extraordinary tactic of squibbing the issue by voting against the motion which their Acting Leader, Senator Grimes, has this morning decided they should support. That is why the Opposition moved this motion; not for the political tactics or reasons that Senator Grimes has suggested. I hope we will now be able to have a vote on this and let those members of the back bench of the Labor Party show us whether they do or do not support the rhetoric of their Prime Minister.


Senator Grimes —I take a point of order, Mr Acting President, as I believe I should do so. The previous speaker, Senator Durack, has suggested that I decided how my colleagues would vote. We do not operate in that way. The reason there was no vote on Wednesday was that the Opposition added an extra speaker and talked the time out. If it cannot organise its affairs it will end up in this sort of situation.


The ACTING PRESIDENT —Order! Senator Grimes, you know quite well that that is not a point of order. The question is: That the motion moved by Senator Durack be agreed to. Those of that opinion say `aye'; to the contrary `no`. I think the ayes have it. The question now is: That the question on the matter of urgency moved by Senator Durack under standing order 64 on 6 November 1985 be put forthwith. Those of that opinion say `aye'; to the contrary `no'. I think the ayes have it. We will now move to the placing of business.


Senator Chipp —Mr Acting President, I rise to a point of order. You have not put the substantive motion.


Senator Chaney —I wish to speak to the point of order. I heard you say that the motion should be put forthwith. Although I thought we had already voted on that, that is what you actually indicated to the Senate chamber. I think you have not actually put the substantive motion before us forthwith.


The ACTING PRESIDENT —To make sure that we know what we are doing, I will put the following question: That, in the opinion of the Senate, the following is a matter of urgency: The need to strengthen Australia's alliance with the United States through an effective ANZUS Treaty and the maintenance of joint defence facilities.

The Senate divided

(The Acting President-Senator

M. A. Colston)

Ayes ... 58

Noes ... 6

Majority ... 52

AYES

Archer, B. R.

Jones, G. N.

Aulich, T.

Kilgariff, B. F.

Baume, Michael

Knowles, S. C.

Baume, Peter

Lewis, A.W. R.

Bjelke-Petersen, F. I.

MacGibbon, D. J.

Black, J. R.

McIntosh, G. D.

Bolkus, N.

McKiernan, J. P.

Boswell, R. L. D.

Maguire, G. R.

Brownhill, D. G. C.

Messner, A. J.

Carrick, Sir John

Missen, A. J.

Chaney, F. M.

Morris, J.

Childs, B. K.

Parer, W. R.

Coates, J.

Puplick, C. J. G.

Collard, S. J.

Ray, Robert

Colston, M. A.

Reid, M. E. (Teller)

Cook, P. F. S.

Reynolds, M.

Cooney, B.

Richardson, G. F.

Crowley, R. A.

Ryan, S. M.

Devlin, R.

Sheil, G.

Durack, P. D.

Short, J. R.

Elstob, R. C.

Sibraa, K.W.

Foreman, D. J.

Tate, M. C.

Gietzelt, A. T.

Teague, B. C.

Giles, P. J.

Townley, M.

Grimes, D. J.

Vanstone, A. E.

Guilfoyle, Dame Margaret

Walters, M. S.

Harradine, B.

Watson, J. O. W.

Hill, R.

Withers, R. G.

Jessop, D. S.

Zakharov, A. O.

NOES

Chipp, D. L.

Siddons, J. R.

Macklin, M. J. (Teller)

Vallentine, J.

Mason, C. V. J.

Vigor, D. B.

Question so resolved in the affirmative.