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Friday, 2 March 1984
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Senator LEWIS —I also ask the Attorney-General a question about the Age tapes. I point out to him that my question relates to the conversation which he had with the judge and not to what was on the tapes. Earlier the Attorney-General said that one of the tapes involved the judge. I ask: Has that tape been played to the judge in the Attorney's presence? If so, did the judge agree that it was his voice on the tape?


Senator GARETH EVANS —No, the tape was not played to the judge in his presence but it was made available to him to make such use of or take such tests of as he chose. Had he played it-indeed, had I played it-it may well be that he would not have been able to tell whether it was his own voice or that of Max Gillies or Mike Carlton.


Senator LEWIS —Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. When was the tape played to the judge in relation to the conversations which the Attorney had with the judge. In those conversations which the Attorney had with the judge, did the judge concede that he thought it was his voice on the tape?


Senator GARETH EVANS —Senator Lewis seems to be something of a slow learner, since I made it clear that I did not play the tapes in the judge's presence.


Senator Lewis —No, but you had a conversation with him.


Senator GARETH EVANS —I had a conversation with him. The question simply did not arise as to whether the judge had any view as to whether the voice he was hearing-his own or someone else's-was his own. It is not a matter that I pursued with him and it is not a matter that I propose to pursue with the honourable senator now.