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G < i M MON WE Λ LTIi OF A VST R A LI A.

No. 111.

JOURNALS OF THE SENATE

TH U R SD A Y , 28th MAY, 1908.

1. M eeting of Sen a te.—The Senate met pursuant to adjournment.

2. PRAYERS.

3. Cadet F orces : Charge for U niforms.—Senator Needham, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister representing the Minister of Defence— (1) Is it customary to charge the members of the Cadet Forces for their uniforms.

(2) If so, what is the amount. (3) If a charge is made for uniforms, and in view of the fact that the Cadets, are

principally recruited among the sons of the working classes, will the Minister consider the advisability of remitting this charge, and providing a simple and inexpensive regulation dress free of cost.

The Minister for Home Affairs (Senator Keating) replied—In reply to the three questions, the Minister of Defence informs me that the Government provides towards cost of uniform 7s. Gd. per annum per head. The average cost of the uniform is about 22s. 6d. per suit. A suit of uniform should last a cadet three years. I t would then be fully paid for by the Government. The present uniform worn by cadets, I may say, was approved by the Education Departments

concerned, which bodies would require to be consulted if any alteration is contemplated. The question of the initial cost, and the fact that only portion of that cost is paid by the Department, is receiving the attention of the Minister.

4. T orpedo Boats for A ustralian D efence, Construction of— R eport of Officers A ppointed to I nquire into.—Senator Needham, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister representing the Minister of Defence— (1) Have the officers who were despatched to Great Britain to prosecute inquiries into

the construction of Torpedo Boats for the purposes of Australian defence, yet presented their report.

(2) If not, what is the reason for the delay.

(3) If the report has not yet been completed will the Minister take immediate steps to expedite the completion and presentation of same, and place the information before members.

The Minister for Home Affairs (Senator Keating) replied—I am informed by the Minister of Defence that consideration of this matter is proceeding. Before any final action is taken, full information will be furnished as suggested by the honorable member.

5. A merican F leet, V isit of : Means of T ransport between States.—Senator Mulcahy, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council—Whether, in the scheme of expen­ diture in connexion with the visit of the United States of America Fleet, the Government intend making provision for increased and cheapened means of transport between the States not immediately participating in the reception, so that citizens representing these States may have a fair opportunity of joining in this national welcome.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) replied—The matter will be considered by the Reception Committee. ......... .

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6. T rade and Customs, D epartment o f : A verage A nnual I ncrease in Salaries of Officers.— Senator Chataway, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council— Whether it is a fact that the Minister for Trade and Customs stated in the House of Repre­ sentatives that the average annual increase in the salaries of his officers since Federation was as follows :—Tasmania, £72 ; Western Australia, £40 ; South Australia, £27 ; Victoria, £2 1 ; New

South Wales, £20; Queensland, £5. Is the small increase in Queensland due to the higher rates paid before Federation 1 If not, what is the explanation of the discrepancies between the in­ creases in the States, and more especially that between the increases of salaries in Queensland and Western Australia.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) replied—The Minister did not make the statement referred to in the House of Representatives, but the figures quoted are correct. The small increase in Queensland is due to the higher average rate of salaries paid in that State before Federation.

7. Customs and E xcise—N et R evenue from 1st J uly, 1901, το 30th J une, 1907 : N et R evenue Contributed by States from 1st J uly, 1907, to 30th J une, 1908.—Senator St. Ledger, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council— (1) What is the total amount of the net revenue from Customs and Excise from 1st July,

1901, to 30th June, 1907, not including in any year, in the case of Western Australia, its special revenue as provided in Section 95 of the Constitution Act. (2) W hat is the total (estimated) amount of net revenue from Customs and Excise contributed by the respective States from 1st July, 1907, to 30th June, 1908.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) replied— (1) £54,263,846. (2) New South Wales ... ... ... ...

Victoria ... ... ... ... ...

Queensland ... ... ... ... ... .

South Australia ... ... ... ...

Western Australia ... ... ... ...

Tasmania ... ... ... ... ...

£4,560,000 3.380.000 1.529.000 1.016.000 1,052,000

435,000

£11,972,000

This is the amount of an estimate made by collectors of Customs in April. Subsequent returns make it doubtful whether so much will be received. .

8. Seamen’s Compensation B ill.— The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best), pursuant to notice, moved—That leave be given to introduce a Bill for an Act relating to compensation to seamen for injuries suffered in the course of their employment. Question—put and passed.

9. M essage from the H ouse of R epresentatives.—The following Message from the House of Repre­ sentatives was received and read :—

M r. P resident,

Message No. 33.

The House of Representatives returns to the Senate the Bill intituled “ A Bill for an Act relating to Duties of C u s to m s and acquaints the Senate that, having regard to the fact that the public welfare demands the early enactment of the Tariff, and pending the adoption of Joint Standing Orders, the House of Representatives refrained from the determination of its constitutional rights or obligations in respect to the Message No. 28 received from the Senate

in reference to the said Bill, and resolved to consider the said Message. The House of Representatives, again requested by the Senate to do so, has now made original requested amendments Nos. 49, 69, 96, 156, 159, 187, 223, and the portions not previously made of Nos. 72 and 81.

The House of Representatives, requested by the Senate to do so, has made requested amendments, as modified by the Senate, Nos. 10, 22, 33, 61, 73, 160, 182, 204, 227. The House of Representatives has now made, with modifications, as shown in Schedule No. 2 hereto, original requested amendments of the Senate, Nos. 37, 91, 93.

The House of Representatives has, in the manner shown in Schedule No. 3 hereto, dealt with the Senate’s original Requests for amendments (or its modifications thereof) Nos. 34, 40, 46, 74, 75, 88, 90, 92, 95, 111, 118, 130, 145, 154, 162, 229, which amendments the House at first either did not make, or made in part only, or with modifications.

The House of Representatives, though again requested by the Senate to make original requested amendments Nos. 62, 86, 94, and 141, as shown in Schedule No. 1 hereto, has not made such amendments.

House of Representatives, Melbourne, 28th May, 1908

F. W. HOLDER, Speaker.

SCHEDULES SHOWING HOW THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS DEALT WITH THE AMENDMENTS REQUESTED BY THE SENATE IN ITS MESSAGE NO. 2 8 OF THE 21ST MAY, 1 9 0 8 .

(A) The House of Representatives, again requested to do so, has now made the following original Requested Amendments of the_Senate:— Nos. 49, 69, 96, 156, 159, 187, 223 ; and the portions not previously made of Nos. 72 and 81.

(B) The House of Representatives, requested to do so, has made the following Requested Amendments as modified by the [Senate: —Nos. 10, 22, 33, 61, 73, 160, 182, 204, 227.

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N o . 1 .— SC H ED ULE SHOW ING O RIG INAL R E Q U E ST E D AM ENDM ENTS OF TH E SE N A T E W H ICH TH E H O U SE OF R E P R E SE N T A T IV E S, TH O U G H A G A IN R EQ UESTED TO DO SO, H A S NOT MADE.

C e

T ariff Item s.

General Tariff.

T ariff on Goods th e Produce or M anufacture of th e U nited Kingdom . Requested Amendment

—how dealt with by­ House of Representatives. D uty passed by House of R epresentatives.

D uty requested by Senate.

D uty passed by House of R epresentatives.

D uty requested by Senate.

No. 62, p. 18— Item 143. Sheet Lead and Lead Piping per ton 50s.; and on and after 15th N o­

vember, 1907, free

20s. N o t made.

Noth. Erased type denotes requested omissions, black type requested insertions.

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No. I l l ,

No. 1 S chedule— continued.

General Tariff.

T ariff on Goods th e Produce or M anufacture of th e U n ited Kingdom . Requested Amendment

—how dealt with by House of Representatives.

T ariff Item s.

D uty passed by House of R epresentatives. Duty requested by Senate.

D uty passed by H ouse of Representatives.

D uty requested by Senate.

No. 8 6 , p. 22----

And on and after 29th November, 1 9 0 7 -Ite m 175— * * * *

(c) Screws n.e.i., including Sash

Screws and attachm ents ad val. 5 per cent. Free Free Not made.

No. 94, p. 23 —

And on and after 29th November, 1 9 0 7 -

Item 177. Electrical Machines, & c .:— * * * *

( g ) Generators for direct coupling

to-steam Turbines — nd- vnk

No. 141, p. 3 2 -Item 268. Stone and M arble— ( a ) Marble Unw rought, including

rough or scab bled from the pick ad val.

5 -per contT

10 per cent. Free

Free N ot made.

N ot made.

NO. 2 - S C H E D U L E SH O W ING O RIG IN AL R E Q U E ST E D AM ENDM ENTS OF TH E SE N A T E W H ICH TH E HOUSE OF R E P R E SE N T A T IV E S AT F IR ST D ID » NOT M AKE, B U T H AS NOW M ADE W IT H M ODIFICATIO NS.

G eneral Tariff. T ariff on Goods the Produce or

M anufacture of the U nited Kii gdom. Requested Amendment —how dealt with by

House cf Representatives.

Tariff Item s.

D uty passed by House of R epresen' atives. D uty requested by Senate.

D uty passed by H ouse of R epresentatives.

D uty requested by Senate.

No. 37, p. 1 4 -Item 118. Curtains and Blinds, n.e.i. (not including blinds attached to ro lle rs); Curtain Clips, Bands,

Loops, and Holders ; and Blind

Tassels and Acorns . . . ad val. 25 per cent. Free 20 per cent. Free Not made when first re­

quested. The following modifica­ tions now made :— Duties made 20 per

cent. General Tariff, and 15 per cent.

United Kingdom Pre­ ference Tariff.

Not made when first re­ quested. Now made with modi­ fication as regards

part, viz.: — “ 500 ” omitted ; “ 10 ” not inserted, but “ 200 ” inserted in place

thereof. Not made as regards alteration of duty.

No. 91, page 22— And on and after 29th November, 1 9 0 7 -Item 1 7 7 . Electrical Machines, & c.:—

* * * #

( b ) Dynamo Electric Machines over the capacity o f 5ΘΘ 1 0 horse power ad val. 1 2 | per cent.

1

Free

j

Or

CJ1 ZD

No. I l l , — 28th May, 1908.

No. 2 S chdule— continued.

l

General Tariff.

Tariff on Goods the Produce or Manufacture of the United Kingdom. Requested Amendment

—how dealt w ith by bs

House of $

Representatives. .

eS a

Tariff Items. '

1 Duty passed by House of Representatives. Duty requested by Senate.

Duty passed by House of Representatives.

Duty requested by Senate.

N o . 9 3 , p . 2 3 —

A n d o n a n d a f t e r 2 9 t h N o v e m b e r ,

1 9 0 7 -

I t e m 1 7 7 . E le c t r ic a l M a c h in e s , & c . :—

* # * *

( d ) E le c t r i c A p p a r a t u s a n d F i t t i n g s

c o n s i s t i n g w h o l l y o r p a r t ly o f m e t a l

n . e . i . , i n c lu d in g S w i t c h e s F u s e s ,

a n d L ig h t n in g A i r e s t e r s a d v a l. 1 3 p e r c e n t . Free 1 0 p e r c e n t. Free

CO o GO

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Not made when [first requested. The following modifi­ cations of wording

now made :—“ Appa­ ratus and ” omitted ; “ n.e.i., including ” omitted, and “ , viz.: —” inserted in place thereof ; after “ Swit­

ches ” a comma

inserted. Now made as reqards alteration of duties.

No. 111.—28th May, 1908. 600

N o. 3 -S C H E D U L E SHOW ING HOW TH E H OUSE OF R E P R E S E N T A T IV E S H A S DEALT W IT H C E R T A IN OF TH E SE N A T E ’S

O RIG INAL REQ UESTS FOR AM E N D M E N T S (OR IT S M ODIFICATIONS TH EREO F), W H IC H AM END M EN TS TH E

H OUSE OF R E P R E SE N T A T IV E S AT F IR ST E IT H E R D « ID NOT MAKE, OR MADE IN P A R T ONLY, OR W IT H

M ODIFICATIONS.

General Tariff.

T ariff on Goods the Produce or M anufact ure of the U nited Kingdom. Requested Amendment

T ariff Item s.

D uty passed by House of R epresentatives. D u ty requested by Senate.

D uty passed by H ouse of Represen tatives.

Duty requested by Senate.

—how dealt with by House of Representatives.

No. 34, p. 1 3 -Item 115. Carpets, Carpeting, Floor Cloths, Floor and Carriage Mats of any material except Coir; Lap

D usters ; and Floor Rugs and

Coverings (including Felts and Pads) ... ... ad val. 20 per cent.

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15 per 15 per cent. 10 per cent. N ot made.

How D E A L T W IT H BY S E N A T E —

cent. on and

after 8 th

November, 1907

2 6 .5 .0 8 .— Duties made

Request that duty be made 15 per cent, in General Tariff and 10 per cent, in United Kingdom Preference Tariff, not pressed, but Make the item in General Tariff and in United Kingdom Preference Tariff, Free.

15 per cent. General Tariff, and 1 0 per

cent. United Kingdom Preference Tariff (as originally requested).

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111.— 2 M May, 1908.

No. 3 S chedule—continued.

T ariff Item s.

General Tariff.

T ariff on Goode- th e Produce or M anufacture of th e U n ited Kingdom . Requested Amendment

—how dealt with b y House of Representatives. D uty passed by House of R epresentative».

D u ty requested by Senate.

D uty passed by H ouse of R epresentatives.

D u ty req u ested by Senate.

No. 40, p. 14— Item 120. Gloves— (b) Gloves n.e.i. of all kinds and

m aterials including M ittens ad val.

H O W DEALT W ITH BY S E N A T E — ·

30 per c e n t.; and on and after

14th O cto b er, N ovem b er,1 1907, 15 per

cent.

Free 20 per

c e n t.; and on and

after 14 th October-^ Novem­ ber, 1907,

10 per

cent.

Free Made as regards altera­ tion of dates. Not made as regards alteration o f duties.

Request to make item free not pressed, but Make the duty in General Tariff 30 per cent., in United Kingdom Preference Tariff 20 per cent. ... ... 26.5.08.— Not made.

No. 46, p. 15— Item 123. Piece Goods,*f viz.:— * * * *

( b ) Piece goods, tvoollen or con­

taining wool, —w o m e n ’s

a n d c h ild re n 's d re ss goods not weighing over 5 oz. per square yard ... ad val. 35 per cent. ;

and on and

30 per

c e n t.; and

after 13th N o­ on and

vember, 1907, after 13 th

15 per cent. Novem­

ber, 1907, 10 per cent.

Not made, tu t the

words “ including women’s and child­ ren's dress flannels ” inserted after the

words “ dress goods".

No. 111.—28th Mag, 1908.

H O W DEALT W ITH BY S E N A T E —

Modification not agreed to Request for amendment pressed

No. 74, p. 20—

A nd on and after 28th November, 1907—

Item 162. ( a ) P u lle y Chain Blocks and Travelling Blocks ; Pneum atic Ele­ vators and Conveyors; S team High- pressure Blowers for Smelt­ ing, and Turbo-Blowers ; T el­ phers ; A pparatus for Liquefaction

of Gases ; P a te n t H o is t u sed for

u n d e rg ro u n d m in in g Portable Hoists for underground use ad val. 5 per cent.

H O W D E A L T W IT H BY S E N A T E ----

Modifications of wording agreed to. Request, that item under General Tariff be Free, pressed

Free

27.5.08. — Requested amendment of

Senate not made. Modification al­ ready made by

House not altered, but the following added in each of

the duty columns:— “ up to and includ­ ing 27 th May,

1908.”

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Made as regards altera­ tion of “ Rulley ”

to “ Chain.” Made with modifica­ tions as regards re­ maining alteration of

wording, viz.:—In ­ stead of the word “High-pressure ” the word “ Rotary ” in­ serted ; and before the words “ Portable

Hoists ” the word “ Patent ” inserted. Not made as regards alteration of duty.

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27.5.08.— Not made.

No. 111.—28th May, 1908.

No. 3 S chedule— continued.

T ariff Item s.

General T ariff

T ariff on Goods th e Produce or M anufacture of th e U nited Kingdom . Requested Amendment

—how dealt with by House of Representatives. D uty passed by House of R epresentatives.

D uty requested by Senate.

D uty passed by H ouse of R epresentatives.

D u ty requested by Senate.

No. 75, p. 2 0 —

A nd on and after 28th November, 1907—

Item 162. (a ) Pulley Blocks, &c. * * * *

(AA) Log Band Saws with Band Wheels 5 feet and over in diameter ... ... ... Free

•

Made with the following modification:— To take effect on and after 13th December,

1907.

H O W D E A L T W IT H BY S E N A T E ----

Modification agreed to, provided the following words are added to the sub-item, viz., “ including accessories for same ” 27.5.08.— Not made.

No. 88, p. 22—

And on and after 29th November, 1 9 0 7 -Item 176—

* * * *

( e ) Coal C utting M ach in es—S ide

Plates, and Balls for Ball Mills ad val. 5 percent. Free

H O W D EA L T W ITH BY SE N A T E ----

Request, that item under General Tarift be Free, pressed

Free Made as regards omis­ sion of words. Not made as regards alteration of duty.

27.5.08.— Not made,

No. 90, p. 22—

And on and after 29tli November, 1 9 0 7 -Item 177. Electrical Machines, A p­ pliances, and parts thereof :—

(a) Dynamo Electric Machines up to the capacity of §Î¸Î¸ 10 horse power, in c lu d in g ; Static T rans­ formers and Induction Coils for

all purposes ; Electric Fans ad val.

How D EA LT W ITH BY S E N A T E — Request, for alteration of figures, pressed

20 per cent.

No. 92, p. 23—

And on and after 29th November, 1 9 0 7 -Item 177. Electrical Machines, & c.:— ^

( c ) Regulating, Starting, and Con­ trolling Apparatus for all Electrical purposes, including Distributing Boards and S w ite h — -Ren-rds Switchboards, except Telephone

Switchboards ... ad val. 20 per cent. Free

H O W DEALT W ITH BY SE N A T E ----

Request, that item under the General Tariff be Free, pressed

Not made as regards alteration of figures. Made as regards omis­ sion o f word.

26.5.08.— Now made with modification as regards part, viz.:— “ 500” omitted; “ 10” not inserted, but

“ 200 ” inserted in place thereof.

Made as regards altera­ tion of wording. Not made as regards altei alien oj duty.

27.5.08.— Not made.

No. 3 S chedule—continued.

G eneral Tariff.

T ariff on Goods th e Produce or M anufacture of th e U nited Kingdom . Requested Amendment

—how dealt with by House of Representatives.

T ariff Item s.

D u ty passed by House of R epresentatives. D u ty requested by Senate.

D u ty passed by H ouse of R epresentatives.

D uty req u ested by Senate.

No. 95, p. 23—

And on and after 29th November, 1 9 0 7 -Item 178. Electrical and Gas Appliances, viz.:—

* * * *

( b ) Gas meters ... ... ad val. 5 per cent. 25 per Free 20 per cent. N ot made.

H O W DEALT W ITH BY SE N A T E —

cent.

Request as to duties not pressed, provided the sub-item is amended to read as follows— (b) Gas meter parts not fitted together or joined in any way ... ... ... ... ... 27.5.08.— Not made.

N o.' I l l , p. 26— Tt.pm 9,17 Sfarnflarris fzM-iwin rr rx-F a ll le n g th s a n d P illa rs , and Pil­ lars, steel fencing of all lengths;

W edgers, patent, for Droppers and Standards ... ... ad val. 5 per cent. 17£ per

cent.

Free 124 per cent.

H O W DEALT W ITH BY S E N A T E —

Not made as regards wording, hut wording modified to read as follows:—“ Standards

and Pillars of all

lengths for fencing; Patent Wedgers for Droppers and Stand­ ards”. Not made as regards

alteration of duties.

Modification agreed to. Request, that duty be made 171 per cent, in General Tariff and 12| per cent, in United Kingdom Preference Tariff, pressed . . ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 27.5.08.— Not made.

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No. I l l ,

No, 118, p. 28—

Item 234. Oils—

In vessels exceeding one gallon,

v iz .:—

* * * # *

(II) Linseed when denaturated as prescribed by Departmental By-law, provided that in the opinion of the Minister suffi­

cient Linseed Oil for manufac­ turing purposes is not produced in Australia... ... ... Free N ot made.

How DEALT W ITH BY S E N A T E —

Request pressed, except as to insertion of words “ provided that in the opinion of the Minister sufficient Linseed Oil for manufacturing purposes is not produced in Australia” ... ... .. ... ... ... . . . . . . ... . . . 2 7 .5 .0 8 .— Not made.

No. 130, p. 30— Item 248. Roasting Dishes, Assay F u r­ naces an d C ru c ib le s^ S corifiors· , a n d ^ duffles ... ... ... Free

H O W D EA LT W ITH BY S E N A T E ----

Request not pressed, provided the item is amended to read as follows Roasting Dishes, Assay Furnaces, Plumbago Crucibles, Skittle Pots, Scorifiers, and Muffles

N ot made.

... 27.5.08. — Wording of item amended as re­ guested except that the word “ Plumbago ”

has not been inserte

No. 3 S chedule—continued.

T ariff Item s.

General Tariff.

T ariff on Goods the Produce or M anufacture of th e U nited Kingdom. Requested Amendment

—how dealt with by House of Representatives. D uty passed by House of R epresentatives.

D u ty requested by Senate.

D uty passed by 1 H ouse of 1

R epresentatives. |

D u ty requested by Senate.

No. 145, p. 3 3 -Item 284. Iftse e tieid esr (A) Sheep

W ashes, and Cattle and Horse Washes mid-DisHifeetefttsT n.e.i.

(B) Insecticides and Disinfec­ tants, n.e.i. ... ... ad val.

Free

25 per cent.

15 per cent. N o t made.

H O W DEALT W ITH BY SE N A T E ----

Request pressed, with the following modifications, viz.:— From sub-item (A) leave out “ n.e.i.”.

Add the following new sub-item : —

(C) Pyrethrum flowers, pure, in packages containing not less than 28 lbs__ ... ... Free

27.5.08. — Not made, but the item amended to read :— (a ) Sheep Washes and

Cattle and Horse Washes; Insecticides and Disinfectants in

packages containing not less than 28 lbs. and drums containing not less than 5 gallons

... ... Free.

( b ) ' Insecticides and Dis­

infectants, n.e.i. ad val. 15 per cent.

General Tariff, 10 per cent. U nited

Kingdom Preference Tariff.

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No. 111.·

Item 303. Timber, v iz .:— * * * *

( b ) New Zealand Pine, and Red

Beech, undressed, of all sizes per 100 super, feet

No. 154, p. 35—

6d. on and after Is.

6th December, 1907 1- ■ ·

Not made.

H O W DEALT W ITH BY S E N A T E — -

Request, as to duty, not 'pressed.

Request, as to wording, pressed, with the following modification, viz. :—

Before “ Pine ” insert “ White ” . ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 28.5.08 — Not made.

No. 162, p. 3 6 -Item 303. Timber, v iz .:— A fter sub-item ( d o ) insert— Note (to come into force on and

after 1st September, 1908).— For the purposes of this Divi­ sion a superficial foot shall mean an area of one square foot on one surface, and being one inch or less in thickness.

Note.—The term “ super, face” means the superficial measure­ ment of those surfaces (except edges) of the timber actually dressed or partly dressed.

How DEALT W ITH BY S E N A T E -----Request, for insertion of first Note, pressed with the following modification, viz. :—

Leave out “ and being one inch or less in thickness ” insert “ and being not more than one inch nor less than half-an-inch in thickness ”. ... ... ...

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Not made as to die first Note. Made as to the second Note.

28.5.08.— Not made.

No. 111.—28iA May, 1908.

No. 3 S chedule—continued.

T ariff Item s.

G eneral Tariff.

T ariff on Goods th e Produce or M anufacture of th e U nited Kingdom . Requested Amendment

—how dealt with by House of Representatives. D uty passed by House of R epresentatives.

D uty requested by Senate.

D uty passed by H ouse of R epresentatives.

D u ty req u ested by Senate.

No. 229, p . 5 2 -

Item 417. W orks of A rt, framed or

unframed, imported for public

institutions or purposes under

D epartm ental B y-law s; also

Stained Glass Windows for churches or public institutions under Departmental By-laws Free Made with the }ollow- ing modifications:—

After “ 417.” the

letter “ (A) ” inser­ ted ; requested inser­ tion of words not

made, hut the fol­ lowing inserted :— “ (B) Stained Glass W i n d o w s f o r

churches or public institutions under Departmental B y­ laws—On and after

Vdth May, 1908 ...

ad val. 20 per cent."

H O W DEALT W IT H BY S E N A T E —

Modification not agreed to. Original Request pressed ... ... ... ... ... ... 28.5.08.— Not made.

28th May, 1908.

C. GAY AN DUFFY, Clerk o f the House o f Representatives.

611

611 No. 111.-—28th May, 1908,

10. Suspension of Standing Orders.—The Vice-President o£ the Executive Council (Senator Best), pursuant to contingent notice, moved—That so much of the Standing Orders be suspended as would prevent Message No. 33 of the House of Representatives in reference to the Customs Tariff Bill being at once considered, and all consequent action taken. Question—put and passed.

11. C ustoms T ariff B ill.—The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That Message No. 33 of the House of Representatives in reference to the Senate’s Requests on the Customs Tariff Bill be taken into consideration forthwith, this House affirming that the action of the House of Representatives in receiving and dealing with the reiterated Requests of the Senate is in compliance with the undoubted constitutional position and rights of the Senate. Debate ensued.

Senator Millen moved an amendment, viz., to add to the question— “ And that so much of this reso­ lution as affirms that the action of the House of Representatives in receiving and dealing with the reiterated Requests of the Senate is in compliance with the undoubted constitutional position and rights of the Senate, be embodied in the Message to the House of Representatives.”

Proposed amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Main question—put and passed.

Ordered—That so much of Message No. 33 of the House of Representatives as refers to the Re­ quests of the Senate and the Customs Tariff Bill be referred to the Committee of the Whole.

The Senate, according to Order, resolved itself into a Committee for the consideration of Message No. 33 of the House of Representatives.

In the Committee,

Message read and considered.

Resolved— That Request No. 62 be not pressed. That Request No. 86 be not pressed. That Request No. 94 be postponed until Requests Nos. 90, 91, and 92 have been dealt with. That Request No. 141 be not pressed. That the modification of Request No. 37 be agreed to. That the modification of Request No. 91 be agreed to, and that the Request as to duty be not

pressed. That the modifications of Request No. 93 be agreed to. That Requests Nos. 34, 40, 46, 74, 75, and 88 be postponed until Requests Nos. 90 and 92 have been dealt with. That the modification of Request No. 90 be agreed to. That Request No. 92 as to duty be not pressed.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That Request No. 94 be not pressed.

Senator Lynch moved an amendment, viz., to add to the question—“ provided that the sub-item is amended by inserting after ‘ Turbines ’ the words ‘ or High-speed reciprocating Steam Engines.’ ” Question—that the words proposed to be added be added—put and negatived.

Resolved— That Request No. 94 be not pressed. That the modification of Request No. 34 be agreed to. That Request No. 40, as to duty, be not pressed. That the modifications of Request No. 46 be agreed to. That Request No. 74, as to duty, be not pressed. That Request No. 75 (modification) be not pressed. That Request No. 88, as to duty, be not pressed.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That Request No, 95 (modified) be not pressed.

Question—put.

Committee divided— Ayes, 12. Senator Best Lieut.-Col. Gould

Gray Keating Millen Mulcahy

Col. Neild Pulsford St. Ledger Trenwith Vardon

Noes, 13,

Senator de Largie Givens Henderson McGregor

Needham Pearce Russell, E. J. Russell, W.

Sayers Stewart Story Turlev

Teller.

Senator Chataway

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Teller.

Senator Findley

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Request again pressed as last pressed. Resolved— That Request No. i l l , as to duty, be not pressed. That Request No. 118 be not pressed.

That the modification of Request No. 130 be agreed to. That the modification of Request No. 145 be agreed to. The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That Request No. 154 be not pressed. Senator McGregor moved an amendment, viz., to add to the question—“ as to the insertion of the

word ‘ White ’, but be pressed as to the insertion of the words ‘ and Red Beech.’ ” Question— That the words proposed to be added be added—put. Committee divided— Ayes, 15.

Senator Chataway Findley Givens Henderson

Lynch McGregor Mulcahy

Needham Col. Neild Russell, E. J. Stewart

St. Ledger Story Turley

Tcller.

Senator Sayers

Noes, 11.

Senator Best de Largie Lieut.-Col. Gould Gray

Keating Mi lien Pearce

Pulsford Trenwith Vardon

Teller.

Senator Russell, W.

Main question, as amended—put and passed. The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That Request No. 162 (as to part), as modified, be not pressed. Question—put. Committee divided—-

Ayes, 13.

Senator Best de Largie Lieut.-Col. Gould Gray

Henderson Keating Millen Pearce

PuMord Russell, W. Story Trenwith

Teller.

Teller. Senator St. Ledger

Senator Vardon

Noes, 11.

Senator Chataway Findley Givens McGregor

Mulcahy Needham Russell, E. J. Sayers

Stewart Turley

The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That the modification of * Request No. 229 be agreed to and the Request be not pressed. Question—put.

Committee divided—-Ayes, 14. Noes, 10.

Senator. Best de Largie Findley Givens Henderson

Keating McGregor Pearce. Russell, E. J.

Russell, W. Stewart Trenwith V ardon

T eller.

Senator Story

Senator Chataway Lieut.-Col. Gould Gray Millen

Mulcahy Needham Pulsford Sayers

St. Ledger

Teller.

Senator Lynch

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12. Suspension of Committee.— At half-past six p.m. the sitting of the Committee was suspended until a quarter to eight p.m.

13. R esumption of Committee.—A t a quarter to eight p.m. the Committee resumed.

14. Customs T a riff B ill.—-Resolutions to be reported.

The President resumed the Chair ; and Senator Pearce, from the Committee, reported that the Committee had considered Message No. 33 of the House of Representatives, and— That the Committee did not further press Requests Nos. 40 (as to part), 62, 74 (as to part), 75 (modification), 86, 88 (as to part), 91 (as to part), 92 (as to part), 94, 111 (as to part),

118, 141, and 162 (as to part), to which the House of Representatives had not acceded ; and' That the Committee had agreed to the modifications of the House of Representatives in regard to Requests Nos. 34, 37, 46, 90, 91, 93, 130, 145, and 229. That the Committee had agreed to again press Requests Nos. 95 as last requested, and 154

with a modification.

Ordered—That the consideration of the Report be an Order of the Day for to-morrow.

16. A dditional A ppropriation B ill 1907-8.—Order of the day read for the adjourned debate on the question—That the Additional Appropriation Bill 1907-8 be now read a first time. Debate resumed. Question—put and passed. Bill read a first time. The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved-—That the Additional Appro­

priation Bill 1907-8 be now read a second time. . Question—put and passed. Bill read a second time.

The Senate, according to Order, resolved itself into a Committee for the consideration of the Bill.

In the Committee,

Clauses 1-3 agreed to.

• Schedule agreed to.

Title agreed to.

Bill to be reported without Request.

The President resumed the Chair ; and Senator Pearce, from the Committee, reported accordingly. Whereupon the Senate adopted such Report.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That the Additional Appropria­ tion Bill 1907-8 be now read a third time.

Question—put and passed.

Bill read a third time and passed.

16. M essage from the H ouse of R epresentatives.— The following Message from the House of Repre­ sentatives was received and read :— M r. P resident, Message No. 31.

The House of Representatives transmits to the Senate a Bill intituled “ A Bill for an Act to grant and apply an additional sum out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund to the service of the year ending the thirtieth day of June One thousand nine hundred and eight for the purposes of Additions, New Works, Buildings, <6c.,” with which it desires the concurrence of the Senate.

• F. W. HOLDER,

Speaker.

House of Representatives, Melbourne, 27th May, 1908.

17. S uspension of Standing Orders.—The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best), pursuant to contingent notice, moved—That so much of the Standing Orders he suspended as would prevent the Additional Appropriation (Works and Buildings) Bill 1907-8 beinq at once considered, and all consequent action taken.

Debate ensued. Question—put and passed.

18. A dditional A ppropriation (W orks and B uildings) B ill 1907-8.—The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That the Additional Appropriation (Works and Build­ ings) Bill 1907-8 be now read a first time.

Question—put and passed.

Bill read a first time.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That the Additional Appropria­ tion (Works and Buildings) Bill 1907-8 be now read a second time.

Debate ensued. On motion of Senator Millen, the debate was adjourned till to-morrow, '

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19. Message from the H ouse of R epresentatives.—The following Message from the House of Representatives was received and read :— M r. P resident, Message No. 30.

The House of Representatives transmits to the Senate a Bill intituled “ A Bill for an Act to appropriate f urther sums for the service of the years ended the thirtieth day of June One thousand nine hundred and six and the thirtieth day of June One thousand nine hundred and seven,” with which it desires the concurrence of the Senate.

F. W. HOLDER, Speaker.

House of Representatives. Melbourne, 27th May, 1908. .

20. Suspension of Standing Orders.—The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best), pursuant to contingent notice, moved—That so much of the Standing Orders be suspended as would prevent the Additional Appropriation Bill 1905-6 and 1906-7 being at once considered, and all consequent action taken. Question—put and passed.

21. A dditional A ppropriation Bill 1905-6 and 1906-7.—The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That the Additional Appropriation Bill 1905-6 and 1906-7 be now read a first time. Debate ensued. Question—put and passed. Bill read a first time. The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That the Additional

Appropriation Bill 1905-6 and 1906-7 be now read a second time. Debate ensued. On motion of Senator Milieu, the debate was adjourned till to-morrow.

22. Message from the H ouse of R epresentatives.-—The following Message from the House of Representatives was received and read :— M r. P resident, Message No, 32,

The House of Representatives transmits to the Senate a Bill intituled “ A Bill for an Act. to appropriate further sums for the service of the years ended the thirtieth day of June One thousand nine hundred and sex and the thirtieth day of June One thousand nine hundred and seven for purposes of Additions, New Works, Buildings, &c.” with which it desires the concurrence of the Senate.

F. W. HOLDER,

House of Representatives, Speaker.

Melbourne, 27th May, 1908.

23. Suspension of Standing Orders.—The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best), pursuant to contingent notice, moved—That so much of the Standing Orders be suspended as would prevent the Additional Appropriation (Works and Buildings) Bill 1905-6 and 1906-7 being at once considered, and all consequent action taken. Question—put and passed.

24. A dditional A ppropriation (W orks and B uildings) B ill 1905-6 and 1906-7.—The Vice­ President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That the Additional Appropriation (Works and Buildings) Bill 1905-6 and 1906-7 be now read a first time. Question—put and passed. Bill read a first time. The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) moved—That the Additional Appropria­

tion (Works and Buildings) Bill 1905-6 and 1906- 7 be now read a second time. Debate ensued. On motion of Senator Millen, the debate was adjourned till to-morrow,

25. A djournment.—The Senate adjourned at ten minutes past ten p.m. till to-morrow at eleven a.m.

26. Attendance.— Present, all the Members except Senators Lieut.-Col. Cameron (on leave), Croft, Dobson (on leave), Fraser, McColl, and Walker (on leave).

C. B. BOYDELL, Acting Clerk of tht Parliaments.

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