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SJ No 15 - 29 October 1908
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No. 15.



1. M eeting of S enate.—The Senate met pursuant to adjournment.


3. Governor-General’s M essage.— Supply B ill (No 2).—The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) communicated the following Message from His Excellency the Governor-General, which was received and read :—

DUDLEY, Governor-General. Message No. 1.

A Bill intituled “ An Act to grant and apply out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund a sum for the service of the year ending the thirtieth day of June One thousand nine hundred and nine ” (£727,749), as finally passed by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the Common­ wealth, having been presented to the Governor-General for the Royal Assent, His Excellency has, in the name and on behalf of His Majesty, assented to the said Act.

lGth October, 1908.

4. P aper.—The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) laid on the Table the following Paper, viz.:— By Command— Navigation Bill—

(а) Copy of Despatch from the Secretary of State for the Colonies, No. 320, dated the 18th September, 1908. (б) Copy of Cablegram in reply thereto.

5. B ounty on H ulled Coffee and Coffee in “ th e P archment.”—Senator Chataway, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council— (1) In fixing the proportion of hulled coffee for bounty purposes as 75 per cent, of the weight of parchment coffee, did the Minister consult manufacturers only, or did he also con­

sult some of those growers who hull their own coffee. (2) Is he aware that one firm of coffee manufacturers in Sydney holds that the loss is only lfi per cent. (3) If this statement be true, will the Government take steps with the view of placing those

coffee-growers who sell in “ the parchment ” in a more favorable condition than they now occupy.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) replied — (1) Information was obtained from various sources. (2) No. (3) When issuing directions that bounty may be paid on the basis of 100 lbs. of “ parchment ”

coffee yielding 75 lbs. of raw coffee, the State Collectors were also instructed that in cases where conclusive evidence is furnished of a higher percentage of raw coffee having been obtained from a given quantity of “ parchment ” coffee, bounty may be paid accordingly.

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6. I mmigration Scheme : Occupancy of Commonwealth B uildings in L ondon bt State A gents-G e n e r a l .—Senator Dobson, pursuant to notice, asked the Vice-President of the Executive Council— (1) Has not the Prime Minister frequently stated that a large immigration scheme is essential

for the proper development of the Commonwealth, and is part of his policy. (2) Is it not a fact that the States have, through the last Premiers’ Conference and otherwise, expressed their desire to control and manage their own immigration schemes. (3) In view of such desire of the States, do Ministers propose, when they have secured a site in

London, to build offices for the High Commissioner and his staff only, or for the States other than Victoria and Queensland, and their Agents-General and staffs also. (4) Has the Prime Minister taken any, and what steps, and with what result, to see if the last-named States will consent to occupy by their Agents-General a part of the Common­

wealth Offices in London. (5) Is it too late to get the consent of Victoria and Queensland to join the other States and the Commonwealth in securing one building in London for the use of a ll; if not, will the Prime Minister try and bring this about. (6) If the States continue to control and manage their own immigration schemes, do Ministers

intend to appoint a High Commissioner before it is arranged that the Commonwealth shall take over the debts of the States, and, if so, what duties is he to perform.

The Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) replied— (1) Yes. (2) The resolution of the last Conference is as follows :— “ That this Conference is of opinion that the Federal Government should co-operate with

the States in promoting and otherwise assisting immigration to Australia by gene­ rally advertising the advantages which Australia offers ; but that all matters relating to the selection of individual immigrants be left in the hands of the several States. “ That this Conference is of opinion that, as soon as practicable, the Premiers should

discuss this question with the Federal Government, with a view to common action.” The discussion referred to in the preceding paragraph is still proceeding. (3) , (4), and (5) When the site has been acquired the States will be offered an opportunity of housing their Agents-General and staffs in the Australian offices. (6) A High Commissioner will have very many and important duties to perform, independent of matters relating to finance and immigration, in respect to matters within and without the Empire in which Australia is materially interested.

7. R eservists who have come to the C olonies from Great B ritain : Statement in H ouse of ' Commons.- - Senator Chataway, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister for Home Affairs —With reference to statement by Mr. Burns in the House of Commons to the effect that since 1906 some 6,000 reservists have gone to the colonies from Britain, is the Department of

Defence aware how many, if any, came to Australia, and where these men are to be found.

The Minister for Home Affairs (Senator Keating) replied—The information is not at present avail­ able in the Defence Department, but steps are being taken to obtain the same.

8. P ostponement.—Ordered—That Order of the Day No. 2, Private Business, be postponed and stand an Order of the Day for Thursday, 19th November.

9. S eat of Government : Ballot P rocedure.—Order of the Day read for the adjourned debate on the question— (1) That the Senate do forthwith proceed to determine the opinion of Senators as to the site for the seat of Government of the Commonwealth.

(2) That the following be the method of selection of the site, and that so much of the Stand­ ing Orders be suspended as would prevent the Senate from adopting such method :— That the selection be made from sites nominated, without debate, by honorable Senators, provided that no nomination shall be received unless it is supported by at least two Senators, in addition to the Senator nominating, rising in their places.

That the Senate do forthwith proceed to the nomination of sites, and that the President do declare the time for nominations to be closed as soon as sufficient oppor­ tunity has, in his opinion, been given to receive nominations. That an open exhaustive ballot be taken on Thursday, 5th November, without debate, in the following manner

(a) Ballot-papers shall be distributed to honorable Senators containing the names of the sites nominated. (b) Senators shall place a cross opposite the name of the site for which they desire to vote, and shall sign the paper. (c) The ballot-papers shall then be examined by the Clerk. ( id ) The total number of votes given for each site shall be reported to the Senate after

each ballot. (e) If, on the first examination, any site proves to have received an absolute majoritv of votes, the President shall report the name of such site to the Senate, and such site shall be deemed to be the one preferred by honorable Senators.

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( J) If no site receives an absolute majority of votes, then the name of the site receiv­ ing the smallest number of votes shall be reported to the Senate, and shall be struck out. (y) If anv two or more of the sites shall receive an equal number of votes, such number

of votes being the smallest, then the Senate shall ascertain in the customary manner which of such sites should, in the opinion of honorable Senators, be further balloted for, and the name of the other, or others, shall be struck out. {h) Further ballots shall then be taken on the names of the remaining sites, and the

name of the site receiving the smallest number of votes in each successive ballot shall be reported to the Senate and struck out in the manner aforesaid, until one of the sites receives an absolute majority of votes. (i) When one of the sites has received an absolute majority of votes, the name of such

site shall be reported to the Senate by the President, and such site shall be deemed to be the site preferred by honorable Senators.

Debate resumed. Senator McGregor moved an amendment, viz., after the first sub-paragraph of paragraph (2) to insert— “ That each site must be nominated separately, and no two or more sites may be bracketed in

one nomination.”

Debate continued. Ordered—That the debate be adjourned till to-morrow, and that Senator Stewart have leave to continue his speech.

At half-past six p.m. the sitting of the Senate was suspended till a quarter to eight p.m.

10. T rusts, Combines, and Monopolies—Control of, by Cpmmonwealth : A mendment of Constitu­ tion.— Senator Pearce, pursuant to notice, moved—That, in order that the Parliament may be able to effectively protect the people from the depredations of Trusts, Combines, and Monopolies, it is essential that power should be conferred on the Parliament so that it may, where it thinks neces­

sary and desirable, own and control such monopolies in the interests of the people. The Senate therefore affirms the desirability of so amending the Constitution as to confer the necessary power, where it is not already given, and calls upon the Government to introduce the necessary legislation during the next session. On motion of the Vice-President of the Executive Council (Senator Best) the debate was adjourned

till Xhursday, 3rd December.

11. P ublic S ervice A ct— Statutory R ule 88a : A ttendance of T emporary Employees at M ilitary or N aval T raining Camps.—Senator Colonel Neild, pursuant to notice, moved—That this Senate disapproves of Statutory Rule 88a under the Public Service Act, penalizing temporary employees for, or consequent upon, their attendance at camps or courses of military or naval training. Debate ensued. On motion of Senator de Largie the debate was adjourned till to-morrow.

12. Commonwealth P rinting— A rrangement with State of V ic to r ia: S elect Committee.—Senator Needham, pursuant to notice, moved — (1) That a Select Committee be appointed to inquire into and report on the arrangement entered into with the State of Victoria for carrying out Commonwealth printing, the

payment of wages and hours of labour in respect thereto, the adjustment of cost of the printing as between State and Commonwealth, and the conditions prevailing generally in respect to such printing. (2) That the Committee consist of Senators Chataway, Dobson, Findley, Givens, Colonel

Neild, Vardon, and the mover. (3) That the Committee have power to send for persons, papers, and records. On motion of Senator Findley the debate was adjourned till to-morrow.

13. O rder of the D ay D ropped.— Order of the Day No. 1, Private Business, read— And no motion being moved in reference thereto, the Order dropped.

14. P ostponement. —Ordered—That Order of the Day No. 3, Private Business, be postponed and stand an Order of the Day for Thursday, 5th November.

15. A djournment.— The Senate adjourned at forty minutes past nine p.m. till to-morrow, at half-past ten a.m.

1(>. A t t e n d a n c e.·— Present, all the Members except Senators Lieut.-Col. Cameron and Sir J. H. Symon.

C. B. BOYDELL, Clerk of the Senate.

P rin ted and Published fo r the Government o f the C ommonwealth o f Australia bv J. Kemp, Governm ent P rin te r (c r the State o f Victoria.