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Thursday, 3 November 1921

Senator THOMAS (NEW SOUTH WALES) . - Will the Minister (Senator Russell) explain what is meant by the "Territorial Service"?

Senator Russell - Probably the reference is to the Mandated Terri tories, the Northern Territory, and the Federal Territory..

Senator THOMAS (NEW SOUTH WALES) - I understand' that under this clause an officer in the Territorial Service can be transferred1 to the Commonwealth Public Service without examination.

Senator Russell - Officers are not eligible for appointment unless they have passed the required examination.

Senator THOMAS (NEW SOUTH WALES) - But the clause provides that if the Board is. satisfied that it is desirable, in the interests of the Commonwealth, that the appointment be made, the Board may appoint,, without examination or probation, any officer of the Territorial Service-

Senator Russell - That is without an additional examination.

SenatorDuncan. - Officers serving in Papua -have not passed an examination.

Senator Russell - Some have 'been sent to the Mandated Territories, and, af ter serving twelve mouths or two years, have been transferred without further examination.

Senator THOMAS (NEW SOUTH WALES) - Some time ago there was some doubt concerning the status of officers transferred from the Commonwealth Service to the Service of the Northern Territory, and when I was in that Territory I promised to assist in getting the Act amended, so that a public servant would not losehis rights in the event of being transferred.

Senator Russell - He will not lose any rights under this Bill.

Senator THOMAS (NEW SOUTH WALES) - That is quite a different matter. I -believe the Minister for Home and Territories can appoint whom he. likes.

Senator Russell - On the recommendation of the Board.

Senator THOMAS (NEW SOUTH WALES) - That has nothing to do with it, because the Board can appoint officers without examination, and under this provision a person could enter the Service by the back door.

Senator Russell - That is so; 'but consideration must be givento those who are working in the outposts of civilization. They cannot be transferred from . the Territorial . 'Service to similar positions in the Public -Serviceof the 'Commonwealth.

Senator THOMAS (NEW SOUTH WALES) - I made some appointments myself in the Northern Territory, and some of . those men could 'be brought intothe Public Service. . I 'have one case in particular in my mind. I -was the Minister responsible for the appointment.

Senator Russell - You spoiled a lot of them. I know men who objected to going up there on second-class tickets. .

Senator Wilson - Did you give them first-class tickets ?

Senator THOMAS (NEW SOUTH WALES) - No. Why does the Minister say I spoiled . them?

Senator Russell - You did 'very well in your time.

Senator THOMAS (NEW SOUTH WALES) - Appointments have been madeto the Territorial Service without examination, and, under this clause, men so appointed would beeligible to serve by the side of men who have passed an examination. A person might go ito Papua, and, becauseof that, he might fee able to [get into the Public Service here.Letus know what we are about.

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