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Thursday, 15 November 1973
Page: 3396


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - -Does the honourable member claim to have been misrepresented?


Mr LLOYD - Yes, by the honourable member for Blaxland (Mr Keating). The honourable member for Blaxland said that I used the word if in relation to whether a bribe was offered by Mr Drew. The actual words I said were that a bribe was offered by Mr Drew and it was offered on his behalf by 2 State members of the Australian Labor Party, Mr Hallam and Mr Gordon.


Mr Keating - A point of order-


Mr LLOYD - In Deniliquin they made an offer of $3,000 for Country Party preferences.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! Mr Keating-Point of order!


Mr LLOYD - And there are witnesses to prove it-


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! Would both honourable gentlemen resume their seats.


Mr LLOYD - Including the State Leader of the Australian Country Party.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! Would the honourable member for Murray please resume his seat.


Mr Keating - Point of order!


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER


Mr LLOYD - I have made the charge and I can prove it.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Martin)Order!The honourable member for Murray should know that when the person who occupies the Chair stands on his feet the honourable member should sit down.


Mr LLOYD - I apologise, Mr Deputy Speaker.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - A point of order was taken.


Mr LLOYD - I have not finished my personal explanation.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The honourable member for Blaxland is taking a point of order on your personal explanation.


Mr Keating - My point of order is that the subject matter of the personal explanation of the honourable member for Murray is untrue.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - That is not a point of order.


Mr LLOYD - May I finish my personal explanation? Furthermore, in this election, Mr Drew in the first instance through his wife, Mrs Drew, repeated the offer of a bribe to Bruce Jeffery.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! Mr LLOYD- If there is any question of a bribe, it was offered by Mr Drew.


Mr Hansen - Mr Deputy Speaker, I take a point of order. Is the honourable member permitted to make a personal explanation on behalf of another person who is not present or is not a member of this House?


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The honourable member for Murray claims to have been misrepresented and he is making an explanation as to the manner in which he has been misrepresented. I would be pleased if the honourable member would confine himself to remarks in that regard.


Mr LLOYD - The points of misrepresentation are that the bribes have been offered. In the first instance, they were offered on behalf of Mr Drew by 2 State Labor members. There were witnesses present, including Sir Charles Cutler, the Leader of the Country Party in New South Wales, who refused this offer point blank.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! Unless this matter affects the honourable member personally, he cannot canvass other circumstances which arose. However, if it affects the honourable member personally, he may do so.


Mr LLOYD - It does, because my reputation for veracity has been impugned by the honourable member for Blaxland. The second offer of a bribe was made by Mr Drew-


Mr Keating - Point of order!


Mr LLOYD - Initially through his wife to Mr Jeffery. If there was any question of a bribe being offered-


Mr Keating - Point of order!


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER


Mr LLOYD - The bribe was made by Mr Drew.


Mr Keating - Mr Deputy Speaker, I take a point of order. The honourable member for Murray is entitled to state how he has been misrepresented; he is not entitled to canvass the details of the offer and make another speech. I am asking you to ask the honourable member for Murray to resume his seat because he has made his personal explanation.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - Apparently the honourable member for Murray has made his personal explanation.


Mr LLOYD - I am quite happy.







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