Senator COTTON (New South WalesMinister for Civil Aviation) - I noted the comments made by Senator

Cavanagh. I do not think it is fair of him to impute improper motives to the advisers who are here from the Department of Labour and National Service. I do not think any remarks that were made warrant the kind of comment that Senator Cavanagh made. All that I am trying to point out is that, in the process of this Bill being discussed in Committee, explanations have been asked for, explanations have been given, reasons have been asked for and reasons have been given. When people say. with all the confidence that they can muster, that they are unable to provide more information than they have provided bona fide or genuinely, I think it is proper for me to say to my colleagues: 'We are at the point where we can add no further information.'

Senator Cavanagh - That is not what you said.

Senator COTTON - It is what I intended to say. If I said anything to offend Senator Cavanagh, then I am very sorry. He is in a singular position in that he does not offend anybody on any occasion! He is one of the people who do not contribute to this problem. I want it understood that the advisers who are here are genuine people who have done their best. They have provided the explanations that they understand to be required, and that is what has been put through me to my colleagues. I hope that the explanations will he taken accordingly. There has been no attempt to confuse, no attempt to change, no attempt to obtuscate - only an attempt to help.

Clause agreed to.

Clause 4 (Industrial situation concerning the Public Service).