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Monday, 18 December 1911

Senator RAE (New South Wales) . - It is rather refreshing to hear Senator Gould arguing against revenue duties. I thought he was a Revenue Tariffist pure and simple. ; I am absolutely opposed to

Revenue Tariffism. I would derive taxation from wealth, and strike hard ; and then, if I did not get what I wanted, I would go there again, and yet again. I do not believe in increasing the revenue derivable under this or any other Tariff. Ministers practically admit that this is a purely revenue duty.

Senator Mcgregor - Do not misrepresent me.

Senator Pearce - Remember that the Vice-President of the Executive Council did not say that this machinery could not be made in Australia.

Senator McGregor - I said that it was being made in Richmond.

Senator RAE - I understood that the lower-power machinery was being made in Australia, and that that was the reason for higher duties on this as against machinery exceeding 200 horse-power. I think the principle of trying to increase the burdensome character of the Tariff is wrong altogether. If there is anything like the quantity of these goods used in Australia that we have heard, it is about time that we made them ourselves ; and if I had anything to do with the drawing up of a Tariff, I would see that we obtained a quid fro quo in cases of this kind. I would not increase the duties unless the country derived some advantage. I cannot see that the building up of a monopoly is going to be to the advantage of Australia. The policy of this Government should not be to construct a huge revenue Tariff on the one hand, or to bolster up manufacturers who have the habit of " turning dog " on us on the other. If we cannot get this machinery manufactured in any other way, I should be in favour of the Government employing electricians and engineers, and, establishing a Commonwealth factory to make it. If £250,000 worth of machinery of this kind is being produced here, the Commonwealth ought to produce it.

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