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Wednesday, 28 September 1910

Senator DE LARGIE (Western Austra) (lia) - - If Senator Lynch will look into the matter for a moment, he will see that his amendment will scarcely accomplish what he desires. His proposal, if adopted, will certainly mean the imposition of a bar upon those who have served an apprenticeship to the engineering trade.

Senator Lynch - How can it do that, seeing that it will merely lift up the bottom man?

Senator DE LARGIE - But no bar is imposed upon the bottom man. Under this Bill, the Victorian engineer, with his inferior certificate, will occupy a better position than he formerly occupied.

Senator E J RUSSELL (VICTORIA) - Although his certificate is inferior, his qualification is higher.

Senator DE LARGIE - In t'.iat case, he will be able to prove his competency, and to secure a higher certificate without any trouble. We all know that the third-class engineer in Victoria is not allowed to take a ship as far as is a third-class engineer in New South Wales. Iwould remind Senator Lynch that this Committee owes a duty to those who have served their time to the engineering trade as well as to those who have not. Why should we cast a stigma upon engineers who have been apprentices and who have learnt their trade in the usual way ? I fail to see how any man can obtain a first-class engineer's certificate unless he be a thoroughly skilled mechanic, and how can he become a thoroughly skilled mechanic without shop experience? Certainly he cannot get the necessary experience on board ship. We- have no right to place obstacles in the way of men who have served their time in an engineering shop.

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