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Monday, 15 October 1973
Page: 2115


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Armitage - Order! The Deputy Leader of the Country Party will resume his seat. The honourable member is suggesting that there is an attempt by the Chair, and by the House, to prevent honourable members from having their say. I already have pointed out clearly that on a number of occasions I asked whether it was the wish of the House to proceed to the third reading forthwith, in which case any honourable members on either side of the House would have had the full right of debate. I also pointed out that if the House decided instead to go into Committee every honourable member concerned would have a full right to speak. Therefore I ask the Deputy Leader of the Country Party to withdraw the inference that the Chair has tried in any way to prevent honourable members, as he put it, from having their say.


Mr SINCLAIR - Mr Acting Speaker, you do not seem to realise that this is a dissent from your ruling.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! It is not a dissent from my ruling.


Mr SINCLAIR - I withdraw that remark because I accept that it is not.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The honourable member should not become quite so confused as to what motion he really moved. He has moved for the suspension of Standing Orders to permit the recommittal of the second reading of the Bill. I ask him to stick to that motion and not to speak on extraneous matters; otherwise I will have to pull him up again.


Mr SINCLAIR - I have moved for the suspension of Standing Orders. This House should support the concept that the second reading debate on this Bill should be recommitted. The only action available to the Opposition in order to ensure that there be a debate on this Bill is to move for the suspension of Standing Orders to allow the recommittal of the Bill. It is important that this House be given the chance to debate important legislation. We are concerned with the implications of this Bill. Unfortunately no opportunity has been given for any member from either side of the House to speak on this Bill.


Mr Keogh - A point of order!


Mr SINCLAIR - The provisions of this Bill affect every member of the House -


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! A point of order has been taken. The Deputy Leader of the Country Party will resume his seat.


Mr Keogh - The honourable member for Richmond is again reflecting on the Chair by saying that no opportunity was given to members on either side of the House -

Country Party supporters - It is the honourable member for New England.


Mr Keogh - Well, the honourable member for New England has again reflected on your integrity by suggesting that there was no opportunity given to members on either side of the House to speak at the second reading stage. I was present in the House when you called on the second reading motion and I saw that the honourable member for Cowper did not rise when you called.


Mr Calder - What nonsense! Of course he rose.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The Deputy Leader of the Country Party -


Mr Calder - That was nonsense.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! Look, that little corner, the extreme left corner, will-


Mr Calder - The extreme left is over there. You do not know your left from your right.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The extreme left, the Country Party corner will maintain a little more order, if they do not mind. I think that the Deputy Leader of the Country Party understands - I hope he does - the Standing Orders of this House and that under those Standing Orders there can be no attempt on the part of the Chair to prevent members from speaking. The Chair has outlined quite clearly that it has not under any circumstances prevented members from speaking. It has given them every opportunity. I therefore ask the honourable member to withdraw any remark of that type. If he continues with it it is an inference against the Chair.


Mr SINCLAIR - I believe that this Bill should be recommitted at -


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! I ask the honourable member to withdraw that remark.


Mr SINCLAIR - -What remark?


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - Do you not listen?


Mr SINCLAIR - I heard a series of comments.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The remark was that the House was trying through the Chair to prevent members from speaking in the debate on the Bill.


Mr SINCLAIR - I withdraw that remark. It is necessary that this legislation be recommitted to the consideration of the Parliament to afford members an opportunity to speak on it-


Mr Keogh - A point of order!


Mr SINCLAIR - It is necessary that there be an opportunity for the legislation again to be considered by the Parliament. The farce that is being pursued by the honourable member for-


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! A point of order has been taken.


Mr Keogh - He is again reflecting on your integrity by repeating that the opportunity was not given. The opportunity was given when you called.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! I gather that the Deputy Leader of the Country Party has withdrawn the inference that the Chair was endeavouring to prevent debate-


Mr SINCLAIR - Yes.


Mr Keogh - He said it again.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -If so, no point of order arises.


Mr SINCLAIR - Members of the Government seem to have defects in their hearing - apart from any others. It is necessary in my opinion that the Bill be recommitted to the second reading stage to enable a second reading debate to take place. I believe that members in this chamber would like to speak on this legislation. I believe that it is an important piece of legislation. I have moved for the suspension of Standing Orders so that the Bill can be recommitted to the second reading stage and members may speak on a piece of legislation that increases charges applicable to broadcasting stations and which prejudices small stations wherever they be situated. I believe that this piece of legislation has aspects which need to be debated. Without a second reading debate, it is not possible for all the implications of the measure to be considered effectively. It is a complete departure from the customary practice for no second reading debate to take place. For that reason, I believe it absolutely essential that this motion be supported.


Mr Ian Robinson (COWPER, NEW SOUTH WALES) - Mr Deputy Speaker-


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The question is: 'That so much of the Standing Orders be suspended as would prohibit the recommittal of the Bill and so enable the second reading debate to continue'. The motion has been seconded by the honourable member for Barker who reserved the right to speak.


Mr Ian Robinson (COWPER, NEW SOUTH WALES) - Mr Deputy Speaker -


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER


Mr Ian Robinson (COWPER, NEW SOUTH WALES) - Mr Deputy Speaker, I have risen to my feet. You have failed to give me the call, as you did earlier, and you have demonstrated clearly your incapacity -


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member will resume his seat.


Mr Ian Robinson (COWPER, NEW SOUTH WALES) - What rules are you following?


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! When I called for a further speaker the honourable member for Barker indicated that he seconded the resolution. I call the Leader of the House.

Motion (by Mr Daly) put:

That the question be now put.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The question is: That the question be now put'. Those of that opinion say aye, to the contrary no. I think the ayes have it. Is a division required?

Opposition members - Yes.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - Ring the bells. (The bells being rung)


Mr Wentworth - I rise to order under standing order 93.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! There is a division in progress.


Mr Wentworth - Mr Deputy Speaker, under standing order 93 you must allow the motion to be seconded before you put it, and the closure cannot be moved until that is done. The movement of the closure was illegal and against the Standing Orders of this House. You cannot allow the question to be put. You have gone beyond your powers. You have forgotten standing order 93. We cannot have a division.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Scholes)Order!


Mr Ian Robinson (COWPER, NEW SOUTH WALES) - Mr Deputy Speaker, I request that you call off this division.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! If the honourable member for Cowper does not resume his seat I will name him.


Mr Ian Robinson (COWPER, NEW SOUTH WALES) - Mr Deputy Speaker -


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! Resume your seat while the occupant of the chair is on his feet. I have never seen such a disgraceful exhibition in the House. If honourable members do not remain silent during the division I will have to take -


Mr Wentworth - You cannot call a division. It is not a division.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -I name the honourable member for Mackellar.


Mr Wentworth - .You cannot in a division.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The honourable member will withdraw the remark or withdraw -


Mr Wentworth - I withdraw the remark.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -I understand that the situation in the House is not as calm as it should be but I ask honourable members at least to carry out the decorum of the House.


Mr Staley - If you give us a proper ruling.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER


Mr Ian Robinson (COWPER, NEW SOUTH WALES) - Mr Deputy Speaker, as the person most directly concerned in this matter I request that you give consideration to calling off the division, restoring order, and allowing the House to resume its business in a normal and orderly fashion. If you fail to do this you are failing to exercise your duties as a Deputy Speaker.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - Firstly, I point out that the Chair has no powers under any standing order of this House to call off a division.


Mr Wentworth - I rise on a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. The Deputy Speaker had no power to call on this division. This is not a division.

Question put.







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