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Thursday, 9 December 1971
Page: 4466

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Lucock - Order! The honourable member for Eden-Monaro said he wanted some advice. I will give him some more advice. If he keeps transgressing the Standing Orders I will ask the honourable member to resume his seat.

Mr ALLAN FRASER (EDEN-MONARO, NEW SOUTH WALES) - Mr Deputy Speaker,I do hope that you will advise me. To what should I confine my arguments if I cannot speak on the vital importance of getting a vote on this issue?

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The honourable member should know the Standing Orders of this House. The substantive matter of the debate is not the subject before this House at this moment. The honourable member for Eden-Monaro knows that the only matter before this House is the motion for the suspension of Standing Orders. The matter into which the honourable member is proceeding is the subject for a full debate and is not before the House.

Mr ALLAN FRASER (EDEN-MONARO, NEW SOUTH WALES) - Mr Deputy Speaker, I now see and fully understand your ruling. I should not canvass the merits of whether there should be a ban or a relaxation of the ban. I should and L will confine myself from now on to the question of whether this House should be enabled now to debate this issue and vote upon it. I rest my case upon the fact that this House has never been given an opportunity of casting a vote on a matter which is of vital importance to the whole of the Australian people and that the only vole ever taken on this subject in the Parliament was taken in the Senate and it opposed the action which the Government is taking, indicating therefore that the action being taken by the Government may be in defiance of. the will of this Parliament and of the Australian people. That question can be resolved only by giving this Parliament now the opportunity to debate upon the issue. I will not discuss the merits of relaxing or retaining the ban except to say that all the arguments which have been produced on that matter in this House have never yet been-

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! I would suggest that the honourable member may not put forward arguments as to why certain factors have not been given consideration.

Mr ALLAN FRASER (EDEN-MONARO, NEW SOUTH WALES) - I will not be putting forward one of those arguments.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! I would suggest that the honourable member does not transgress either by reminding the House why he is not going to mention certain subjects at this present stage.

Mr ALLAN FRASER (EDEN-MONARO, NEW SOUTH WALES) - I am simply informing the House that I am not going to mention subjects which are not relevant to the motion for the suspension of Standing Orders. That is my only reason for mentioning this.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! I remind the honourable member for EdenMonaro that he has been a member of this House for a long time and I also remind him that other members have been in this House for a reasonable amount of time and have learned some of the lessons of being a member of this House. 1 would suggest that the honourable member stays within the Standing Orders.

Mr ALLAN FRASER (EDEN-MONARO, NEW SOUTH WALES) - I am doing my very best to do that. 1 shall conclude by saying that, to my knowledge, none of the arguments which has been advanced against the ban has been in any way changed by the Minister's statement tonight and, therefore, it is the more important that this House should be given an opportunity now of debating and voting upon the issue when, I believe, such arguments would be produced and such a vote would be taken as would prevent the carrying on with this iniquitous proposal.

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