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Tuesday, 17 July 1906

Mr ISAACS (Indi) (Attorney-General) . - There is a strange confusion between the two honorable members opposite who are opposing this clause.

Mr Conroy - Wilfully making a false statement is what I dealt with.

Mr ISAACS - The honorable member for Wentworth said that a very poor man, who had not sufficient money, could give no satisfaction in such a case unless he were sent to gaol. The honorable and learned member for Werriwa says that the rich man who is able to pay is the person who can give no satisfaction in such a case unless he is sent to gaol.

Mr Conroy - We spoke from different points of view.

Mr ISAACS - The honorable and learned member has made a very long speech, in which he said the same thing three times over, and perhaps he will now allow me to make an answer once. He also said that he would challenge us to show any other provision of a similar nature.

Mr Conroy - I do.

Mr ISAACS - In this very Bill-

Mr Conroy - Except in this Bill.

Mr ISAACS - In this very Bill, when the importer or monopolist, however rich and wealthy he may be, has done something with intent to injure the public, we have said that for the first offence he shallnot be imprisoned.

Mr Batchelor - Did not the honorable and learned member for Werriwa object to that?

Mr ISAACS - The honorable and learned member was one of the very strongest supporters of that provision.

Mr Conroy - I say that if a man wilfully makes a false statement he should be imprisoned.

Mr ISAACS - I have shown a case of the kind in answer to the honorable and learned member's challenge, and here we simply apply to the poor man what honorable members opposite have agreed shall be applied to the rich man. The wealthy importer for his first offence of attempting with intent to destroy our industries, or to act to the detriment of the public at large, is not to be imprisoned.

Mr Conroy - That is not committing perjury.

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