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Thursday, 5 July 1906

Mr CARPENTER (Fremantle) . - I wish to say, before voting for the motion, that I should have been glad if the honorable member for Bass had framed it in more specific terms.

Mr Crouch - At present it can mean anything.

Mr Deakin - It is an expression of sympathy.

Mr Crouch - Who are the " victims of the recent outrages " in Russia? The motion might be taken to refer to the governing classes, and even to the Czar himself.

Mr CARPENTER -As we have not before had a motion of this character before us, we are, to some extent, breaking new ground. I am not averse to an expression of sympathy in the event of anything like a disaster overtaking a nation, but we cannot express an opinion with regard to strife which has been taking place for some time past and is still going on, in Russia, without in some way allying ourselves with one or other of the parties. For instance, the motion asks us to express our deep sympathy with the victims of the recent outrages in Russia. No particular outrage or class of outrages is specified. I would point out that there have been outrages of a class which, although they may appear for the time being to the people of Russia as the outcome o'f the natural protest of one class against the domination of another, appear to us in democratic Australia as the manifestation of a spirit in which we all glory.

Mr Henry Willis - What ! - the outrages ?

Mr CARPENTER - No; but we glory in the spirit that is expressed in them.

Mr JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) - As I understand, the motion broadly expresses the hope that the law may soon supersede force.

Mr CARPENTER - Everything depends upon the point of view. According to the information communicated to us, some of the very worst of the outrages have been the result of the direct action of the Government. The honorable member for Bass has not enlightened us as to the outrages to which his motion refers.

Mr Henry Willis - To what outrages does the honorable member think it refers ?

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