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Tuesday, 19 June 1906

Mr JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) - This villany does not attach itself to Socialism as such, or to individualism as such. It is common to our human nature, and I am afraid that nationalization will not tend to eliminate it. After all, these evils have their roots in personal character, and do not necessarily inhere in a system as such.

Mr Hughes - In its turn human nature is derived from somewhere - is dependent on something.

Mr HUME COOK (BOURKE, VICTORIA) - I do not think, as the honorable member does, that it is dependent altogether upon environment. That is one of the fundamental differences between myself and him. He preaches 'he doctrine that men will necessarily become better if you improve their environment. I think that that is begging a great moral question.

Mr Hughes - Wesley said "But for the grace of God there go you and I."

Mr HUME COOK (BOURKE, VICTORIA) - Oh! Wesley, what things have been said in thy name.

Mr Deakin - John Bradford said that - not Wesley

Mr HUME COOK (BOURKE, VICTORIA) - I think the Prime Minister is right. However, that statement has done duty under all the circumstances that could be imagined, and I do not think that it can be regarded as a conclusive argument applying to the question of the effect of environment on Hie development of personal character.

Mr Hughes - We prefer to take the conclusions of scientists rather than the haphazard remarks of the honorable member upon them.

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