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Economics Legislation Committee
04/06/2014
Estimates
TREASURY PORTFOLIO

TREASURY PORTFOLIO

In Attendance

Senator Cormann, Minister for Finance

Senator Ryan, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Education

Department of the Treasury

Dr Martin Parkinson PSM, Secretary

Output Group 1.1—Macroeconomic Group/ Corporate Strategy and Services Group

Dr David Gruen, Executive Director, Macroeconomic Group (Domestic)

Mr Jason Allford, General Manager, Macroeconomic Conditions Division

Mr Simon Duggan, General Manager, Macroeconomic Modelling and Policy Division

Mr David Drage, Principal Adviser, Financial Markets, Macroeconomic Modelling and Policy Division

Dr Michael Kouparitsas, Principal Adviser, Modelling, Macroeconomic Modelling and Policy Division

Mr Matt Flavel, General Manager, International Policy and Engagement Division

Ms H K Holdaway, General Manager, G20 Policy Division

Ms Amanda Cattermole, Executive Director, Policy Coordination and Governance

Mr Peter Alexander, Acting Group General Manager, Corporate Strategy and Services Group

Mr Matthew King, Chief Finance Officer, Financial and Facilities Management Division

Ms Emma Greenwood, Acting General Manager, People and Organisational Strategy Division

Mr Luke Hickey, General Manager, Ministerial and Communications Division

Mr Ricardo Alberto, Acting Chief Information Officer, Information Management and Technology Division

Output Group 2.1—Revenue Group

Mr Rob Heferen, Executive Director

Mr Paul Tilley, General Manager, Personal and Retirement Income Division

Mr Gerry Antioch, General Manager, Tax System Division

Mr Roger Brake, General Manager, Tax Analysis Division

Ms Marisa Purvis-Smith, Principal Adviser, Tax Analysis Division

Mr Anthony King, Manager, Tax Analysis Division

Mr Matthew Maloney, Manager, Tax Analysis Division

Mr Paul Palisi, Manager, Tax Analysis Division

Ms Susie Kluth, Manager, Tax Analysis Division

Dr John Clark, Senior Adviser, Tax Analysis Division

Mr Tony Regan, Principal Adviser, Law Design Practice

Mr David Pearl, General Manager, Corporate and International Tax Division

Mr Brendan McKenna, Manager, Corporate and International Tax Division

Mr Matthew Brine, Manager, Corporate and International Tax Division

Mr William Potts, Manager, Corporate and International Tax Division

Mr Hector Thompson, General Manager, Small Business Tax Division

Output Group 3.1—Fiscal Group

Mr Nigel Ray, Executive Director

Ms Luise McCulloch, General Manager, Budget Policy Division

Mr Patrick Boneham, Manager, Budget Policy Division

Ms Leesa Croke, General Manager, Social Policy Division

Mr Chris Foster, Principal Adviser, Social Policy Division

Ms Laura Llewellyn, Manager, Social Policy Division

Mr Hamish McDonald, Acting General Manager, Infrastructure, Industry, Environment and Defence Division

Mr Christopher Legg, Chief Adviser, Infrastructure, Industry, Environment and Defence Division

Ms Melissa Cranfield, Principal Adviser, Infrastructure, Industry, Environment and Defence Division

Mr Paul Horrocks, Principal Adviser, Infrastructure, Industry, Environment and Defence Division

Mr Peter Robinson, General Manager, Commonwealth, State Relations Division

Ms Lee Steel, Manager, Commonwealth, State Relations Division

Mr Lok Potticary, Manager, Commonwealth, State Relations Division

Output Group 4.1—Markets Group

Ms Jan Harris, Executive Director

Ms Meghan Quinn, PSM, General Manager, Financial System and Services Division

Ms Diane Brown, Principal Adviser, Financial System and Services Division

Mr David Woods, Principal Adviser, Financial System and Services Division

Mr Bede Fraser, Manager, Financial System and Services Division

Ms Jenny Wilkinson, General Manager, Small Business, Competition and Consumer Policy Division

Mr Ben Dolman, Principal Adviser, Small Business, Competition and Consumer Policy Division

Ms Anne Scott, Principal Adviser, Small Business, Competition and Consumer Policy Division

Ms Jenny Allen, Acting Principal Adviser, Small Business, Competition and Consumer Policy Division

Mr Paul McCullough, General Manager, Deregulation Division

Mr Jonathan Rollings, General Manager, Foreign Investment and Trade Policy Division

Ms Deidre Gerathy, Chief Adviser, Foreign Investment and Trade Policy Division

Mr Peter Martin, Australian Government Actuary

Mr Mark Brennan, Small Business Commissioner

Australian Bureau of Statistics

Mr Jonathan Palmer, Acting Australian Statistician

Mr Trevor Sutton, Deputy Australian Statistician, ABS 2017 Group

Mr Ian Ewing, Deputy Australian Statistician, Economic and Environment Statistics Group

Mr Peter Harper, Deputy Australian Statistician, Population, Labour and Social Statistics Group

Mr Chris Libreri, Acting Deputy Australian Statistician, Chief Operating Officer

Mr Bernard Williams, Acting First Assistant Statistician, Social, Health and Labour Division

Ms Gemma van Halderen, First Assistant Statistician, Population, Education and Data Integration Division

Mr Michael Davies, First Assistant Statistician, Macroeconomic Statistics Division

Mr Lewis Conn, Assistant Statistician, Office of the Statistician and External Engagement

Ms Debra Foggin, Assistant Statistician, Chief Financial Officer

Ms Donna Nicholson, Acting Assistant Statistician, Human Resources Branch

Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission

Ms Susan Pascoe, Commissioner

Mr David Locke, Assistant Commissioner - Charity Services

Mr Murray Baird, Assistant Commissioner - Legal Counsel

Australian Competitio n and Consumer Commission

Mr Rod Sims, Chairman

Ms Rayne de Gruchy, Deputy Chief Executive Officer, Competition and Consumer

Ms Jo Schumann, Executive General Manager, Corporate Division

Mr Richard Chadwick, General Manager, Adjudication Branch

Mr Marcus Bezzi, Executive General Manager, Enforcement and Compliance Division

Mr Scott Gregson, Group General Manager, Enforcement Operations Group

Mr Nigel Ridgway, Group General Manager, Compliance and Product Safety Group

Mr Peter Maybury, Acting Chief Finance Officer, Corporate Division

Australian Prudential Regulation Authority

Dr John Laker, Chairman

Mr Ian Laughlin, Deputy Chairman

Mr Brandon Khoo, Executive General Manager, Specialised Institutions Division

Australian Securities and Investments Commission

Mr Greg Medcraft, Chairman

Mr Peter Kell, Deputy Chairman

Mr Greg Tanzer, Commissioner

Mr John Price, Commissioner

Ms Cathy Armour, Commissioner

Mr Warren Day, Senior Executive Leader

Mr Chris Savundra, Senior Executive Leader

Mr Greg Kirk, Senior Executive Leader

Mr Tim Mullaly, Senior Executive Leader

Australian Taxation Office

Mr Chris Jordan, Commissioner of Taxation

Mr Geoff Leeper, Second Commissioner, People Systems and Services

Mr Andrew Mills, Second Commissioner, Law Design and Practice

Mr Neil Olesen, Second Commissioner, Compliance

Ms Frances Cawthra, Chief Finance Officer

Ms Jacqui Curtis, First Assistant Commissioner, ATO People

Mr Andrew England, First Assistant Commissioner, Integrated Tax Design

Ms Cheryl-Lea Field, Deputy Commissioner, Debt

Ms Debbie Hastings, First Assistant Commissioner, Review and Dispute Resolution

Ms Jane King, Deputy Commissioner, Workforce Adjustment Project

Mr Mark Konza, Deputy Commissioner, Corporate Tax Erosion

Ms Alison Lendon, Deputy Commissioner, Superannuation

Mr Tony Poulakis, Assistant Commissioner, Private Groups and High Wealth Individuals

Ms Kath Quigley, General Manager, Australian Valuation Office

Mr Robert Ravanello, Chief Operating Officer

Mr Stephen Vesperman, Deputy Commissioner, Small Business/Individual Taxpayers

Mr John Dardo, Acting Deputy Commissioner, Customer Services and Solutions

Mr Stuart Forsyth, Assistant Commissioner, Superannuation

Australian Office of Financial Management

Mr Rob Nicholl, Chief Executive Officer

Mr Michael Bath, Director, Financial Risk

Mr Gerald Dodgson, Head of Treasury Services

Mr Andrew Johnson, Head of Reporting and IT

Mr Pat Raccosta, Chief Finance Officer

Corporations and Markets Advisory Committee

Mr John Kluver, Executive Director

Clean Energy Finance Corporation

Mr Oliver Yates, Chief Executive Officer

Ms Meg McDonald, Chief Operating Officer

Mr Andrew Powell, Chief Financial Officer

Commonwealth Grants Commission

Mr John Spasojevic, Secretary

Mr Phil Parkins, Director, Corporate Services

Ms Lisa Logue, Manager, Human Resources

National Competition Council

Mr John Feil, Executive Director

Productivity Commission

Mr Peter Harris, Chairman

Mr Mike Woods, Deputy Chairman

Mr Daryl Quinlivan, Head of Office

Ms Lisa Gropp, First Assistant Commissioner

Royal Australian Mint

Mr Ross MacDiarmid, Chief Executive Officer

Committee met at 09:00

CHAIR ( Senator Bushby ): I declare open this public hearing of the Senate Economics Legislation Committee. The Senate has referred to the committee the particulars of proposed expenditure for 2014-15 and related documents for the Treasury portfolio. The committee is due to report to the Senate on 24 June 2014. The committee has set Thursday, 12 June 2014, as the date by which senators are to submit written questions on notice, and has set Friday, 25 July 2014, as the date by which answers to questions on notice are to be returned.

Under standing order 26, the committee must take all evidence in public session. This includes answers to question on notice. Officers and senators are familiar with the rules of the Senate governing estimates hearings. If you need assistance, the secretariat has a copy of the rules. In particular, I draw the attention of witnesses to an order of the Senate of 13 May 2009 specifying the process by which a claim of public interest immunity should be raised, and which I now incorporate in Hansard.

The extract read as follows—

Public interest immunity claims

That the Senate—

(a) notes that ministers and officers have continued to refuse to provide information to Senate committees without properly raising claims of public interest immunity as required by past resolutions of the Senate;

(b) reaffirms the principles of past resolutions of the Senate by this order, to provide ministers and officers with guidance as to the proper process for raising public interest immunity claims and to consolidate those past resolutions of the Senate;

(c) orders that the following operate as an order of continuing effect:

(1) If:

   (a) a Senate committee, or a senator in the course of proceedings of a committee, requests information or a document from a Commonwealth department or agency; and

   (b) an officer of the department or agency to whom the request is directed believes that it may not be in the public interest to disclose the information or document to the committee, the officer shall state to the committee the ground on which the officer believes that it may not be in the public interest to disclose the information or document to the committee, and specify the harm to the public interest that could result from the disclosure of the information or document.

(2) If, after receiving the officer’s statement under paragraph (1), the committee or the senator requests the officer to refer the question of the disclosure of the information or document to a responsible minister, the officer shall refer that question to the minister.

(3) If a minister, on a reference by an officer under paragraph (2), concludes that it would not be in the public interest to disclose the information or document to the committee, the minister shall provide to the committee a statement of the ground for that conclusion, specifying the harm to the public interest that could result from the disclosure of the information or document.

(4) A minister, in a statement under paragraph (3), shall indicate whether the harm to the public interest that could result from the disclosure of the information or document to the committee could result only from the publication of the information or document by the committee, or could result, equally or in part, from the disclosure of the information or document to the committee as in camera evidence.

(5) If, after considering a statement by a minister provided under paragraph (3), the committee concludes that the statement does not sufficiently justify the withholding of the information or document from the committee, the committee shall report the matter to the Senate.

(6) A decision by a committee not to report a matter to the Senate under paragraph (5) does not prevent a senator from raising the matter in the Senate in accordance with other procedures of the Senate.

(7) A statement that information or a document is not published, or is confidential, or consists of advice to, or internal deliberations of, government, in the absence of specification of the harm to the public interest that could result from the disclosure of the information or document, is not a statement that meets the requirements of paragraph (1) or (4).

(8) If a minister concludes that a statement under paragraph (3) should more appropriately be made by the head of an agency, by reason of the independence of that agency from ministerial direction or control, the minister shall inform the committee of that conclusion and the reason for that conclusion, and shall refer the matter to the head of the agency, who shall then be required to provide a statement in accordance with paragraph (3).

(d) requires the Procedure Committee to review the operation of this order and report to the Senate by 20 August 2009.

(Extract, Senate Standing Orders, pp 124-125)

Witnesses are specifically reminded that a statement that information or a document is confidential or consists of advice to government is not a statement that meets the requirements of the 2009 order. Instead, witnesses are required to provide some specific indication of the harm to the public interest that could result from the disclosure of the information or the document.