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Thursday, 27 November 1986
Page: 2851

Senator GRIMES (Minister for Community Services)(11.24) —I have little argument with what Senator Newman said, despite the fact that we have had our differences in the past in this area. It is an area in which judgments are made and where people disagree strongly with those judgments. Unfortunately it is an area in which costs can be added. Just so Senator Newman will not think that the National Trust is the only body I have clashed with, I can tell her that only yesterday I discovered the existence of an aged nursing home in New South Wales which badly needs upgrading and fixing. It cannot be fixed up because, at the request of the local office of the National Trust, the Australian Heritage Commission listing has been made and that building is subject to a preservation order. It is a very nice place, but not that nice. The thing that fascinates me is that it is less than 40 years old. If we are getting to the stage where listings are going to be made of buildings such as that, which I think are of dubious value, we will have to look at not only giving tax concessions to people to preserve buildings--

Senator Newman —Is it on the Register?

Senator GRIMES —On the Register?

Senator Newman —On the National Estate, not the National Trust Register?

Senator GRIMES —It is on the local National Trust Register.

Senator Newman —That is not the same thing.

Senator GRIMES —I know. The local National Trust office in New South Wales urged that the building be put on the Register and, through the New South Wales Government, put its preservation order on it. It is very difficult. As I said in another case, which the honourable senator will know about, if we are going to add to the cost to people in extraordinary ways, perhaps we ought to use some government or National Trust funds to compensate people.

Proposed expenditure agreed to.

Department of Aboriginal Affairs

Proposed expenditure, $271,391,000.