

- Title
MARRIAGE AMENDMENT BILL 2004
Second Reading
- Database
Senate Hansard
- Date
12-08-2004
- Source
Senate
- Parl No.
40
- Electorate
Tasmania
- Interjector
- Page
26521
- Party
IND
- Presenter
- Status
Final
- Question No.
- Questioner
- Responder
- Speaker
Harradine, Sen Brian
- Stage
Second Reading
- Type
- Context
Bills
- System Id
chamber/hansards/2004-08-12/0392


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Hansard
- Start of Business
- PETITIONS
- NOTICES
- BUSINESS
- COMMITTEES
- WOMEN: DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
- EDUCATION: HIGHER EDUCATION CONTRIBUTION SCHEME
- FOREIGN AFFAIRS: SUDAN
- COMMITTEES
- ELGIN MARBLES
- EDUCATION: HIGHER EDUCATION CONTRIBUTION SCHEME
- BUSINESS
- PARLIAMENTARY ZONE
- IMMIGRATION: DETAINEES
- JAMES HARDIE INDUSTRIES: COMPENSATION
- COMMITTEES
- BROADCASTING SERVICES AMENDMENT (ANTI-SIPHONING) BILL 2004
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WATER EFFICIENCY LABELLING AND STANDARDS BILL 2004
VOCATIONAL EDUCATION AND TRAINING FUNDING AMENDMENT BILL 2004
TAX LAWS AMENDMENT (2004 MEASURES NO. 4) BILL 2004
NEW INTERNATIONAL TAX ARRANGEMENTS (MANAGED FUNDS AND OTHER MEASURES) BILL 2004 - CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT (OIL, GAS AND OTHER MEASURES) BILL 2004
- CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT (SUICIDE RELATED MATERIAL OFFENCES) BILL 2004
- COMMITTEES
- BUSINESS
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US FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION BILL 2004
US FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION (CUSTOMS TARIFF) BILL 2004 - OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH AND SAFETY (COMMONWEALTH EMPLOYMENT) AMENDMENT (EMPLOYEE INVOLVEMENT AND COMPLIANCE) BILL 2002
- BUSINESS
- ELECTORAL AND REFERENDUM AMENDMENT (PRISONER VOTING AND OTHER MEASURES) BILL 2004
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QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE
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Veterans' Affairs: Home Care Program
(Bishop, Sen Mark, Hill, Sen Robert) -
Defence: Policy
(Macdonald, Sen Sandy, Hill, Sen Robert) -
Defence: Standard Defence Supply System
(Evans, Sen Chris, Hill, Sen Robert) -
Social Welfare: Reform
(Colbeck, Sen Richard, Patterson, Sen Kay) -
Telstra: Mass Services Disruption Notices
(Marshall, Sen Gavin, Coonan, Sen Helen) -
Greece: Bilateral Social Security Agreement
(Ridgeway, Sen Aden) -
Environment: Plastic Shopping Bags
(Webber, Sen Ruth, Campbell, Sen Ian)
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Veterans' Affairs: Home Care Program
- DISTINGUISHED VISITORS
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QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE
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Environment: Mandatory Renewable Energy Target
(Harradine, Sen Brian, Campbell, Sen Ian) -
Sport: Drug Testing
(Ludwig, Sen Joe, Coonan, Sen Helen) -
International Criminal Court
(Greig, Sen Brian, Ellison, Sen Chris) -
Communications: Television Sports Broadcasts
(Conroy, Sen Stephen, Coonan, Sen Helen) -
Forestry: Management
(Lees, Sen Meg, Campbell, Sen Ian)
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Environment: Mandatory Renewable Energy Target
- DISTINGUISHED VISITORS
- QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: TAKE NOTE OF ANSWERS
- COMMITTEES
- DOCUMENTS
- COMMITTEES
- NUCLEAR ENERGY: WASTE STORAGE
- COMMITTEES
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US FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION BILL 2004
US FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION (CUSTOMS TARIFF) BILL 2004-
In Committee
- Harris, Sen Len
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Harris, Sen Len
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Harris, Sen Len
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Harris, Sen Len
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Harris, Sen Len
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Division
- Procedural Text
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Allison, Sen Lyn
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Harris, Sen Len
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Harris, Sen Len
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Harris, Sen Len
- Division
- Procedural Text
- Lundy, Sen Kate
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Lundy, Sen Kate
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Lundy, Sen Kate
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Lundy, Sen Kate
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Lundy, Sen Kate
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Harris, Sen Len
- Greig, Sen Brian
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Greig, Sen Brian
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Greig, Sen Brian
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Division
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Cherry, Sen John
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Cherry, Sen John
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Ridgeway, Sen Aden
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Conroy, Sen Stephen
- Harris, Sen Len
- Harris, Sen Len
- Hill, Sen Robert
- Harris, Sen Len
- Harris, Sen Len
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In Committee
- COMMITTEES
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US FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION BILL 2004
US FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION (CUSTOMS TARIFF) BILL 2004 - BUSINESS
- ANTI-TERRORISM BILL (NO. 3) 2004
- ANTI-TERRORISM BILL (NO. 2) 2004
- URGENT LEGISLATION
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ANTI-TERRORISM BILL (NO. 3) 2004
ANTI-TERRORISM BILL (NO. 2) 2004 - BUSINESS
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MARRIAGE AMENDMENT BILL 2004
- First Reading
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Second Reading
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Ludwig, Sen Joe
- Greig, Sen Brian
- Boswell, Sen Ron
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Barnett, Sen Guy
- Harradine, Sen Brian
- Collins, Sen Jacinta
- Cherry, Sen John
- Bartlett, Sen Andrew
- Marshall, Sen Gavin
- Forshaw, Sen Michael
- Moore, Sen Claire
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Buckland, Sen Geoffrey
- Ferris, Sen Jeannie
- Coonan, Sen Helen
- Division
- Procedural Text
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In Committee
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Greig, Sen Brian
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Greig, Sen Brian
- Stott Despoja, Sen Natasha
- Ludwig, Sen Joe
- Coonan, Sen Helen
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Greig, Sen Brian
- Ludwig, Sen Joe
- Coonan, Sen Helen
- Greig, Sen Brian
- Ludwig, Sen Joe
- Coonan, Sen Helen
- Greig, Sen Brian
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Greig, Sen Brian
- Faulkner, Sen John
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Coonan, Sen Helen
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Coonan, Sen Helen
- Nettle, Sen Kerry
- Coonan, Sen Helen
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Bartlett, Sen Andrew
- Greig, Sen Brian
- Division
- Procedural Text
- Third Reading
- ELECTORAL AND REFERENDUM AMENDMENT (PRISONER VOTING AND OTHER MEASURES) BILL 2004
- BILLS RETURNED FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
- ADJOURNMENT
- DOCUMENTS
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QUESTIONS ON NOTICE
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Health: Australian Longitudinal Study on Women's Health
(Allison, Sen Lyn, Campbell, Sen Ian) -
Health: Private Hospitals
(Allison, Sen Lyn, Campbell, Sen Ian) -
Science: Stem Cell Research
(Brown, Sen Bob, Vanstone, Sen Amanda) -
Health: Chickenpox
(Allison, Sen Lyn, Patterson, Sen Kay) -
Medibank Private
(Allison, Sen Lyn, Minchin, Sen Nick) -
Trade: Free Trade Agreement
(Ludwig, Sen Joe, Hill, Sen Robert)
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Health: Australian Longitudinal Study on Women's Health
Page: 26521
Senator HARRADINE (3:01 PM)
—I will be brief as my position on the Marriage Amendment Bill 2004 is relatively well known and I do not want to take up the limited time available going over arguments that have been well canvassed. This legislation is quite important. The system of marriage between a man and a woman is one that has been relied on for thousands of years across the world and across all cultures. It has been tried and tested over time and found to be the best arrangement available. Moving away from this shared community standard would mean that marriage would become just one option in a list of relationship options. It would in fact lose its meaning.
The legislation we are currently considering is a simple piece of legislation. It is about reflecting the community understanding of marriage, which is that marriage is between a man and a woman. It is in some respects a simple matter of clarifying a definition in legislation so that it reflects a common understanding. But there has been a lot of complex debate surrounding that simple aim.
I acknowledge there are Australian citizens who do not want to marry a person of the opposite sex. Rather than saying marriage is not for them, they have argued for the definition of marriage to be broadened to allow them to marry someone of the same sex. More than that, there are claims that not changing the definition to allow same-sex marriage discriminates against gay people. But, with respect, this is a very simplistic argument. There are of course a range of conditions put on the definition of marriage and these help to maintain the fundamental nature of marriage. These include the conditions that the people marrying must not be already married, that they are old enough to marry, that they not be of the same sex and that there are only two people in a marriage.
Marriage is in effect open to all people, without discrimination, but under a range of conditions. Those who do not accept those conditions because it does not suit them for one reason or another need not enter into marriage. The difficulty with agreeing to change the basic conditions surrounding marriage is that a range of groups might want to alter the surrounding rules to suit them. This would lead to a point where marriage would no longer be recognisable. I am not sure how we could, without accusations of discrimination, distinguish between the demands of one group and another. It therefore seems more reasonable to me to keep marriage as it is and confirm that situation in legislation.
If we were to start changing the common understanding of marriage, you could expect to have representations made from people supporting the legal recognition of various relationships such as polygamy, polyandry, which is one woman and many men, and polyamory, which is a group marriage of varying numbers. The possibility of group marriages is not so farfetched. Two years ago the Law Commission of Canada produced a report on adult relationships which stated, `In principle, the Law Commission sees no reason to limit registration [of relationships] to two people.' A quick search of the Internet revealed at least two active polyamory groups in Australia.
There is value in the current system of marriage. At a very practical level, it provides a very stable environment in which to raise children. It seems to me most important that children have a mother and a father. To allow homosexual marriages is to deliberately deny children a father or a mother. I know that there are exceptions to the stability of marriage—that marriages sometimes fail, we all know that; that children are sometimes not treated well; and that children can be brought up well by one parent. But I consider that having children grow up with a mother and a father is a social ideal, and that is accepted generally in the community. I know myself how difficult it can be to bring children up as a single parent. It was not a situation I wanted to be in—certainly not; my wife died—and it certainly was not ideal. I, like many parents, did the best I could. I was not all that crash hot. I am sure that, after two years of my single parenting, the kids were very happy when I married a widow and were delighted when, once again, they were in a family with a mother and a father.
I am not saying that children cannot be brought up well by relatives or guardians rather than by a mother and a father. Sometimes that has to be the situation, for one reason or another. But I do see that as a substitute arrangement, and, acknowledging the best efforts and intentions of people in this situation, it is not the ideal. These are some of the reasons I support the acknowledgment and strengthening in legislation of the general community understanding of marriage—that it is between a man and a woman. Obviously there are many ways to strengthen marriage, and I will continue to lobby for that assistance. We have not got there yet. I believe governments do not adequately recognise the work that is done by families. I support this bill as one part of that overall structure of support for marriage and the family. I will leave my comments there to let other honourable senators contribute to this important debate.