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American civil rights lawyer, Bill Kunstler, expires

SUSANNA LOBEZ: A great American civil rights lawyer, Bill Kunstler, died last week. He was famed for defending outcasts and radicals, from Martin Luther King to Mafia men. Courageous, even outrageous, in the face of unmerciful judges, he was once sentenced to four years for 160 counts of contempt of court. When this interview was recorded in 1974, he had no great respect for American justice.

BILL KUNSTLER: I happen to regard the law in the United States as a charade and a buttress to a system. I happen to think it's unfair and unfairly applied, that it's just a terroristic device, in many ways, to keep control of the system. And therefore, having that viewpoint, I cannot really take it seriously in many ways.

I understand it has serious consequences. But I know that it is a control device, it's a control device in England, maybe even to a greater extent, and possibly in Australia to some extent or another. In the United States it's also a control device, except that we have succeeded in the last ten years of stripping it of some of its mysticism and some of the power generated by mysticism.