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Sunrise, New York - interview with David Koch

Transcript, E&OE

29 July 2015


Foreign Minister Julie Bishop is in New York to address the UN Security Council on the downing of

flight MH17.

Ms Bishop is pressing for an international criminal tribunal to prosecute those responsible for shooting the plane

down. 298 people, including 38 Australians, were killed when the plane was shot out of the sky over Ukraine in

July last year. A Dutch-led investigation into the tragedy is due to finish in October. Julie Bishop joins me now from

New York.

Minister, good to see you. We marked the first anniversary of the tragedy just over a week ago. How important is

this next step towards getting justice for the families of all those victims?


Good morning, Kochie. This is a very significant step. It is the third step in the resolution that we

were able to obtain last year. The first step was to get a ceasefire between the separatists and Ukraine so that we

could access the site to retrieve the bodies and the remains. The second step was to conduct investigations into

the cause of the crash and a criminal investigation into who were the perpetrators of the downing of Malaysian

Airlines MH17. And the third step is to set up a tribunal to hold those responsible to account, and all of this was

envisaged by what was then resolution 2166.

I'm now in New York, returned to the Security Council, and tomorrow, New York time, we will ask the Security

Council to support the establishment of an independent criminal tribunal so that the evidence that has been

gathered by five nations, including Australia over the last 12 months, can be delivered to a prosecutor who can

then consider what appropriate prosecutions should take place.

But we are determined to hold to account those responsible for the incident, and we owe it to the families of those

who are still grieving the loss of their loved ones aboard that flight, and we don't want justice to be delayed any

longer. We believe now is an appropriate time to set up a tribunal, backed by the Security Council to give it the

highest level of independence and impartiality and integrity that the world can establish.


Well, the Russians shot it down and Russia's UN envoy, your colleague in the United Nations, said

a criminal tribunal would lead to a surge in confrontation in global affairs. Now, that sounds like a diplomatic

threat to you.

Are you concerned about antagonising the Russian bear? They have the power of veto to stop this motion, don't



They do. There are five nations that have the power of veto, Russia is the only nation that has

indicated it will use it. I spent an hour with Ambassador Churkin today, the Russian Ambassador to the United

Nations. I countered every argument he put forward. Whether I persuade him remains to be seen but I did ask

him to go back to Moscow to ask for instructions to not use the veto. The veto should not be used to deny justice

to the families of those aboard MH17.


While we’ve got you, new claims this morning regarding Speaker Bronwyn Bishop's travel

expenses. This time it's been revealed she's claimed an allowance for another wedding in 2007. What's the

feeling within Government about her at the moment? And these - these continuing claims?


Every Member of Parliament has to account for their travel expenses and there are guidelines in

place, and every member has to abide by those guidelines. I understand that the Department of Finance is

looking into one of the initial claims that was made. Speaker Bishop herself has referred other claims to the

Department of Finance. So I believe that, as has happened in other cases, the

Department of Finance should investigate these claims and Speaker Bishop should obviously cooperate with the

investigation and provide whatever information the Department of Finance requires to ensure that the travel

claims were within entitlement.


Yep. Julie Bishop, thanks for joining us. Good luck with this motion in the Security Council over the

next day or so into MH17. Appreciate your time.

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