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Transcript of interview: Radio Australia, Pacific Beat with Geraldine Coutts: 25 April 2012: Anzac Day; RAMSI

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Minister for Defence - Interview with Geraldine Coutts, Radio Australia Pacific Beat




DATE: 25 April 2012


STEPHEN SMITH: Good morning.

GERALDINE COUTTS: [indistinct]

STEPHEN SMITH: Well I arrived at half time of the footy, the AFL ANZAC Day football match

between Essendon and Collingwood. So, I had a quick chat to our troops on arrival, I didn’t

want to arrive on ANZAC Day and not have a word to them. I’ve got a formal program with

them today, but after seeing them for a short period of time and thanking them for their

contribution that they continue to make I then went and had a formal meeting with the

Solomon Island’s Prime Minister, Gordon Lilo, and a subsequent meeting with Police Minister

David Tome where we spoke about- the Prime Minister and I spoke about- the very strong

relationship between Australia and the Solomon Islands, then had a discussion about the

RAMSI contingent which has been here now for nearly ten years.

GERALDINE COUTTS: And was that the substance of the meeting with the Prime Minister-

was it just RAMSI, or were there other things that you also brought up?

STEPHEN SMITH: Well firstly, we reflect upon the fact that it was ANZAC Day, that this is a

significant year for the Pacific, the 70th Anniversary of the Kokoda Campaign in Papua New

Guinea, from where I’ve just come, but also the significant battles in the Pacific, Guadalcanal,

Savo, so these are the start, if you like of the modern day relationship between Australia and

the Solomon Island’s where we fought side by side.

Secondly, whilst the focus has been on the RAMSI contribution through the Pacific Island

Forum, Australia, New Zealand, PNG and Tonga, in particular so far as a military contribution

is concerned- we spoke generally about wanting to enhance the bilateral relationship between

Australia and Solomon Islands, and what we’ve agreed to do is have a look at the capacity to

grow the relationship between Australia and the Solomon Islands bilaterally. And one of the

things we want to do is see what possibilities arise in that context for an Australian Defence

Cooperation program in the Solomon Islands.

Now, the Solomon Islands of course does not have it’s own Defence Force, or defence

organisation, so what we are looking at is the possibility, for example for Australian visits or

Australian exercises in the Solomon Islands. We’re in the very preliminary stage, but given

that we have had Defence to Defence and military to military connections with the Solomon

Islands over the last 10 years, as an Australian part of a RAMSI contingent, the Prime

Minister and I thought it would be a good idea to explore these options into the future to

enhance our bilateral associations and arrangements. And we then went on into a very

important and substantive conversation about the progress of RAMSI and the prospect of

transition so far as the RAMSI contribution to the Solomon Islands is concerned.

GERALDINE COUTTS: Well that was going to be my next question, Mr Smith, because that

question has become a controversial one- how long will RAMSI stay in? And there’s much talk

about the exit strategy. Do we know more about that now?

STEPHEN SMITH: Well, the Prime Minister and I had a substantive conversation, a very

productive and good conversation on that topic. I followed it up with the Police Minister and

then the Prime Minister, and the Police Minister and his officials and the Australian delegation

then had a working dinner last night. But we reflected upon the success of the RAMSI


There are three aspects to the RAMSI contribution, which is now nearly ten years old, firstly a

civilian component from Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, other Pacific Island

Forum countries, then there’s a military contribution which has been historically Australia,

New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and Tonga, and then a very significant police contribution,

because we are now really dealing with a police or law and order, or law and justice aspect of

the RAMSI contribution.

So, at the moment we have got over 100 civilians, about 150 military personnel and nearly

200 police officers. The Prime Minister and I have a shared view, Australia and the Solomon

Islands have got a shared view, that RAMSI has been very successful. It’s been very

important to bring stability and better law and order to the Solomon Islands.

We’ve come to the conclusion that we should now start a conversation, start the work on

transitioning out of the Solomon Islands- the military or the defence component or

contingent. At the moment for example, Australia’s got 84 Defence personnel, New

Zealandhave got between 40 and 50, Papua New Guinea have got nearly 40, andTongahave

got a small number.

So we believe the time has come to start a conversation about transitioning that element of

the RAMSI force out of the Solomon Islands- leaving a very substantial police contingent- to

continue building the capacity of the Solomon Islands Police Force, and also to be on the

ground for any response to disturbances or law and order.

Now in terms of the drawdown, the conversation about the drawdown of the military

component of RAMSI: I’ve also had a conversation with my New Zealand counterpart,

Jonathan Coleman, and I also recently ran into New Zealand Foreign Minister Murray McCully

in Brussels at the NATO/ISAF Defence and Foreign Ministers Meeting on Afghanistan, and Mr

Coleman and Mr McCully and I have agreed that this is a sensible thing to do; and we also

took the opportunity in Papua New Guinea over the last couple of days to brief Papua New

Guinea Prime Minister Peter O’Neill about this prospect.

So, we’ve drawn that, and brought that to a conclusion last night when we had our

conversation, so we’ll start that work now, with a view to a draw down in an orderly way of

the defence or military component of RAMSI, but most importantly, we will have on a

continuing basis the very strong presence of the RAMSI police component, to continue to

train and build the capacity of the Solomon Islands Police Force and to continue to be on the

ground for any required response.

GERALDINE COUTTS: Has there been a discussion on timelines to start the drawdown- to the

exit date?

STEPHEN SMITH: We haven’t come to any firm conclusions on that. We firstly have to satisfy

ourselves that we’ve got to that point in the cycle where the military or defence draw down is

the correct thing to do. That’s certainly our shared disposition. We’re not going to do in a

precipitous way or in a sudden way.

Certainly, we’re not expecting that anything would occur before next year. We will do it in an

orderly way. I wouldn’t expect that we would be looking at anything before the middle of next

year, but this is something not which is not just a conversation between Australia and the

Solomon Islands. We need to do it formally through the RAMSI framework, and in terms of a

Defence or a military contribution as I’ve said, the Pacific Island counties that make that

contribution are Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and a small number fromTonga.

So we’ll need to do that formally, through the RAMSI framework in a couple of months. There

is on a regular basis what’s called a RAMSI ministerial framework meeting, and in a couple of

months- in May, from memory- there’ll be the next regular ministerial forum of RAMSI, and

we’ll have the first formal discussion about a transition of the military or defence component

at that meeting.

But it’s very important that we do it in an orderly way. It’s also very important that we

understand that, over the 10 year period, the RAMSI component has very much changed to a

law and justice and public security emphasis, and that’s why there will be a continuing

process of the substantial police deployment. It’s already the case at the moment for

example that the defence or the military component of RAMSI is about 150, just over 150,

and the police contingent, which brings in a range of other Pacific Island countries in the

order of a couple of hundred, just short of 200.

GERALDINE COUTTS: So when and if this- when this drawdown happens with RAMSI, this

new Defence cooperation that you’ve talked about will take its place?

STEPHEN SMITH: Well not so much take its place, because RAMSI- it’s a regional assistance

mission which has been essentially authorised and supported over a long period of time, by

the Pacific Island Forum countries, so it’s a regional peacekeeping and stabilisation measure.

But because we have had as an individual country, Australia and the Solomon Islands, have

had those deep contacts through RAMSI over the last 10 years, because we’re very close

friends and partners, and because yesterday we reflected upon the historical associations and

deep significance of that, the Prime Minister and I thought it would be a good thing just to

explore that possibility.

The notion of, from time to time, an Australian Defence presence in the Solomon Islands, is

something that in the past when I’ve had discussions with Solomon Islands Prime Ministers

and Ministers, there’s always been a fondness or an attraction for that.

But we just need to work through that carefully, because as I say Solomon Islands does not

have a Defence force, it’s not proposing to have one, but I, from a personal point of view am

attracted to the notion of ongoing contact between the Australian Defence Force and Solomon

Islands. So it’s not intended to take its place, to take the place of RAMSI. RAMSI will certainly

continue into the foreseeable future, but with that emphasis on public security, law and

order, law and justice, and that police contingent continuing to train and build that capacity

of the Solomon Islands Police Force.